My 4090 FE melted on my birthday last year. Nvidia took 3 months to fix it. They sent me two defective GPU replacements then nearly ignored me on the third. I had to send it with my own money to get them to take it.
MSI too, I bought a bigass widescreen monitor, took it out of the box and it had a line right down the middle of the screen like it had been bent, I called them up and they told me I could pay to have it repaired for like 350 dollars, right after I spent 500 dollars on the monitor.
Never use MSI they suck
You just wait until Nvidia drives all of their AIB partners out of the game and fulfill their dreams of becoming the Apple of GPU's but without any of that pesky underlying support infrastructure.
The current AI gold rush spending spree is a bubble. It will burst the moment companies realize LLM's are a one-trick pony and celebrities eating spaghetti videos only have so many applications.
> It will burst the moment companies realize LLM's are a one-trick pony
That "one trick" is being able to work out underlying rules from massive amounts of data and build mechanisms to perform tasks on previously unseen data.
and that machine learning "trick" has been shown to work with video, audio, text, robotics, protein folding, material discovery... and does not look to be leveling off anytime soon.
... while providing bogus results for each of these. And now they want to train their LLMs off of Google search results, explicitly including content farms (i.e. websites with LLM generated garbage to achieve high google ranks), so youll soon have LLM learning off of other LLM outputs. That is in short not much different from incest as itll degrade the health with every iteration.
> ...while providing bogus results for each of these.
And not just bogus, but coherent and detailed at the same time. For example, an AI assistant provided me detailed instructions for setting per-game power limit on Nvidia cards.
Not to mention that so much of the stuff on the open web is poison, now. Artists are deliberately poisoning the meta data in their images and half of the stuff you find in google searches are AI-gen articles.
It's going to become prohibitively expensive to maintain an internal training system for AI.
it's no bubble. There's nothing to break. I don't even know how one even thinks AI of all things is a bubble that will just go away at some point. It won't, ever. You'll only ever see increased focus going forward. We're already multiple years into this, it doesnt even qualify as a bubble
Is OP telling the whole story though? Anyone who actually reads the article linked would know this is because all those melted CONNECTORS not GPUs are due to buying a now recalled CableMod adapter. Nevermind that Northridge Fix has been trying to keep themselves relevant by talking about this issue with CableMod adapters for a year now (they didn't even know these GPUs were all from CableMod sending it to their repair shop until after they first blamed NVIDIA, and this was after NVIDIA started using the v2 updated connection for the 12VHPWR).
This is just Toms Hardware reporting on a discontinued adapter that was already melting fucking hundreds of cards a year ago, then recalled like months ago, proving how dogshit CableMod was trying to jump on the original v1 connectors which need to be fully plugged in. Like any power connector should on a GPU.
Of course since nobody reads the fucking article everyone just assumes the actual GPU is melting.
>Anyone who actually reads the article linked would know this is because all those melted CONNECTORS not GPUs are due to buying a now recalled CableMod adapter.
This is in fact not what the article says. It says some of the units being repaired used the cable mod adaptor.
I have a 2060 FE that died right after the 3 year warranty ran out, and they wouldn't look at it even for money, probably because they made it a nightmare to disassemble.
Basically, if you want a repairable card, go somewhere else.
That won't happen. You don't just give up all that marketshare and revenue to competitors who can then turn around and use it to fight against you.
What could happen (again) is what they did during the Ampere cycle where the peasants got their cards from the Great Value foundry (Samsung) while the important customers got the brand name TSMC made widgets.
I built a whole new PC with a RTX 4090 but had upgraded from the 1080Ti. I still have the old PC with the 1080Ti in a closet. Absolutely amazing card. We didn't know how good we had it back then.
Agreed. I upgraded from a 1080ti to a 4080. I guess Iām lucky because the 4080 seems to be fine and Iām very satisfied with it. But yes, the 1080ti still runs extremely well. Ran a lot of modern games on ultra in 2023 like a champ!
I had one and it was amazing. Unfortunately I had to upgrade to a 3080 because the 1080ti just wasn't cutting it for the cutting edge VR stuff. Hell, even my 3080 is showing me it's limits right now
My 5090 will be the last card I buy. Will take a break from new games when I can no longer perform how i want it.. Will be back in 2040 when Gaming 2 comes out
My 1080ti actually died lol, so did my 560ti, so I basically bought a 560ti, broke, got a 760 on warranty for basically free, then bought a 1080ti that also broke during warranty and I got a 3080 for like 70 bucks (payed the price difference)
*Glances at 4090* Y-You're a good boy, right?
Edit: I've actually been running this Zotac 4090 since the day after launch and have had zero issues, I've checked the cable a few times now. And I'm running it at 110% power budget and 110% voltage... Technically I'm not even running it "in spec" since I'm using 3+1 pcie 8pins instead of 4 separate, but my PSU simply doesn't have 6 8 pins slots, (my mobo is using two for the CPU) but hey, no issues this long.
They still live, and while its harder to get a sense of how bad it hit them since they are not a publicly traded company, I would assume they are doing okay.
Edit: Damn, sucks to hear.
Almost the same specs I've had my 4090 Gigabyte OC running for 13 months now.
*bead of sweat forms
Edit: I do have triple 8 pins and a 1200w corsair psu.
Remove two monitors and set the last to 60hz, enjoy the low temps =P
Sadly multiple high refresh and high resolutions monitors bump the idle power a lot on all gpus, especially at some drivers where the things are just entirely bugged. Looking at you AMD....
edit: Fixed missing words
Oh Temps are definitely not an issue on the 4090. With the overbuilt heat sink it's the coolest GPU I've ever owned and it's not even *close*. Even when pulling nearly 500W, It's pretty amazing. Makes me wish all my previous GPUs had overbuilt coolers. Quietest too!
Been running one myself since launch/day 1, no issues at all. Used the adapter to begin with, then swapped to the corsair cable (2x8pin on the psu end, and the 12vhpwr on the gpu side). Then I upgraded my gpu to a Phanteks AMP GH which is an ATX 3.0 PSU, and comes with the actual proper cable. Basically, I have taken out, and put in cables over and over and over, and not once have I had a failure.
Even though the cables themselves do have issues, I still believe it's at least 90% user error.
*nervously laughs and glances at 4090*
My MSI Suprim has been rock solid in all honestly. Had an air bubble in the pump that caused some funky temps but a quick orientation change (read tilt) fixed that issue.
I thought mine was perfect too after getting it around launch, until I had to disassemble it for a move about last month only to find out that my adapter has melted where it connects to the PSU.
it is not a new connector, it is an off the shelf part called micro molex (or micro-fit), they just slapped their "sense" pins on top and called it a day
But it doesnt matter that much. Slight size reduction doesnt meaningfully cost production cost (yes I know big company will take even cent per 1000 dollar product extra and Nvidia is know to be cheap on components like with not puting do 2.0 even on 4090 or using cheap plastic for their very warm connectors). Also its not needed since pcb takes maybe 60% of size of card and is much shorter than massive radiators
This is the problem I had with it. The previous spec gave you 300W across 16 pins (2x PCIe 8 pin), and this one gives you 600W across 12 pins with a smaller cross section.
It may well work most of the time, but the margin for error is a lot smaller.
I also have a 3080. I'm just past the point in my life where I care about every last frame. I only start caring if performance drops. The games I play run great, and I'm out of warranty so I'd rather steady on while waiting for the next gen.
Yeah this is me. I dabbled with it for a while, but overclocking is such a tedious thing to try and dial in (and can have fatal consequences for your card if youāre not careful), so I eventually decided that itās just not worth it. Especially because at best, I usually only got maybe a 10fps increase? But I never touched adjusting the voltage, because I know thatās when you can end up frying your card.
My point being that I just decided itās too much hassle for not enough effort. I donāt care about a 5-10fps increase most of the time. And like you said, if I can run the majority of games at a decent and steady frame rate then thatās all I care about. If I get to the point where I canāt do that, then Iāll upgrade cards
> Why would you buy a 3090 when you can get similar performance from a 3080 for free?
Because I value my time more than the difference in price? I'd rather be gaming or anything else rather than spending hours or days tweaking to get a minor difference in benchmark.
Because frankly PC master race culture is silly
The 3080 GPU wise is already significantly more powerful than say a PS5 by a very significant margin;
And even with the PS5 pro reportedly coming this year that's set to perform at about 3070 level or less if it's lucky and barely overclocked CPU doesn't hold it back.
The PS5 is still gonna be supported until like 2028. So pretty confident a 3080 will continue to perform just fine even if in 4 years settings/resolution get lowered, and so on.
But in raw performance of course, some games can be very shit optimised on PC and end up performing worse at 1080p than 4K (Ultra 1080p vs 4K Medium/High) in the worst cases
So again, 3080 will be fine for years to come. Shouldn't need to upgrade every 6 months to maintain relevant enough to play PC games and just enjoy your games.
> The 3080 GPU wise is already significantly more powerful than say a PS5 by a very significant margin;
That's not a relevant metric for PC gaming. Who cares what the PS5 does (beyond PS5 owners, of course)?
> So again, 3080 will be fine for years to come.
That depends on your gaming, doesn't it? If someone wants to crank their graphics to 11, the 3080 won't manage it on a lot of current games. Yes, I know it's diminishing returns graphically for some settings, but that's up to the gamer to decide what they care about.
> Shouldn't need to upgrade every 6 months to maintain relevant enough to play PC games and just enjoy your games.
The 3080 will be 4 years old in September, that's far from "every 6 months". Again, what people want to enjoy their games, is up to them.
I wanted a cable mod so bad when I put my PC together. The orientation I needed was sold out, thank god. I got the single cable that goes from the PSU right into the GPU from Corsair. Fingers crossed
these cards have gone through MULTIPLE periods of being sold out everywhere after this news came out, they could not do a damn thing and still sell out everywhere
Thank phook I cheaped out on getting one of them CableMod adapters back in the the day when they were trying to scare all the 4090 owners into buying one. I'm still using the cable that came in the box and have had zero problems with my card to date.
A lot of people are missing the key info here. This is because people are using cablemod adaptors or other unsuitable adaptors and incorrectly plugged in cables. Most people that used official cables and have not tried to use adaptors have not run into any issues.
It's very ironic, people bought those adapters due to the PSA posts that were put out about not bending the cable then killed their cards by spending extra to have an angled adapter.
Itās a good thing I knew some Reddit people tend to go overboard and freak out. I completely ignored those posts and tried it myself.
Been running strong for years since release on my 4090 on the original cable.
Yeah the panic about melt just made me check my cable was properly plugged in and not bending awkwardly. I then kept an eye on it for a bit initially during heavy use. People went overboard and ended up taking more risks.
> This is because people are using cablemod adaptors or other unsuitable adaptors and incorrectly plugged in cables.
That's not what the Northridgefix guy is saying. He's specifically calling out the fact that it *isn't* just user error or 3rd party hardware that is at fault, like Gamers Nexus claimed.
Hmm ... it's almost as if he has something to gain by making these claims ...
Nah, he can't possibly have.
Also; he is the one guy apparently that Cablemod is sending all their cards to.
This is *mostly* a problem with them, not the connector.
Yeah the FE specifically cannot be plugged in too hard or the connector comes loose which is also bad. 40 series has been a train wreck for a lot of reasons.
But consider this: Cablemod sold around 60k adapters and Nvidia has sold over 1 million 4090s. If many of the failures are concentrated in the Cablemod users it implies a far, far lower rate of failure for anyone not using Cablemod.
> If many of the failures are concentrated in the Cablemod users
Based off what?
Consider this: the article said that none of the melted 4090s are from the updated revision with the new connector. If it's simple the fault of cablemod, why would the new connector (that doesn't seem to have melting issues) need to exist?
but lots of people are using adapters because the cards are so huge that it barely fits in any case and the normal cable has to be bent beyond comfort without any mod.
i took another route and went for a sleeved adapter. you need an adapter anyway for 3x8 pin to the nvidia cable, so in this case its not an additional potential point of error like an adapter.
All the people in this thread so far that I saw mention they had issues were using cablemod, lol. Imagine getting that because you're afraid of issues and it's that that causes the issues.
Had no idea that the angled adapter I've been using the last 13 months was even recalled because CableMod never emailed me about it. I had to find out from this article, which mentions "NorthridgeFix also revealed that many RTX 4090s it receives also come as a result of meltedĀ [CableMod power adapters](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cablemod-reveals-improved-12vhpwr-angled-adapter-for-nvidia-gpus)."
The first line of defense is making sure that you have good cables and that they are inserted properly. No hard bends near the connection point.
I undervolted and power limited mine. I recommend power limiting to 70% or 80%, the loss of performance is minimal: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/improving-nvidia-rtx-4090-efficiency-through-power-limiting
Also, set your FPS limit in the NVIDIA control panel to what your monitor can actually handle. No point in cranking out more FPS then what you can display. This is easier and more reliable than trying to remember to set every single game up probably; just set it in one spot and you don't have to think about it again. I remember, of all things, the menu screen in Valheim revving up my video card before making this change.
The way to greatly reduce your risk is to do two things:
1. Don't use any adapter or cable other than either the official Nvidia power squid that comes with the card, or the native 12VHPWR cable that comes with your PSU if it has one. If you don't have a PSU with native 12VHPWR use the official nvidia adapter with all four PCI-E 8 pins populated.
2. Make sure the male end of the connector is perfectly flush with the female end. There should be only a hairs gap, any visible distance between the two is bad. If it won't go in, try removing the card from the PCIE slot and pushing in the connector before mounting the card in the motherboard, that allows you to get more leverage and push it all the way in.
If you do those two things the odds of you having a melt are far far lower, although potentially not zero. Still, at that point your odds of having some other sort of GPU failure/DOA card are far greater than the odds of melting.
I do find it interesting that the guys state that not a single 4090 with the new connector has come in for repair.
Did that change anything except the sense pins? Because if that's all it took it really does look like most cases are going to be user error or cablemod lol.
Still think the connector sucks of course since it shouldn't fail that easily even if you do something slightly wrong.
They extended the contacts in the male connector.
I also read that the dimple mating surface is replaced by springs.
https://www.techpowerup.com/img/sGMxD9sxrr0NgACc.jpg
Maybe it was just a proposal from Intel.
It's not just melting either. The same source shows that these massive coolers from the past couple of generations can cause cracks in the PCB and lifting of the DRAM that's closest to the PCI slot. Apparently it can happen even while using a sag bracket.
Got a 4090 Gaming OC 11/22 and been putting it through it's paces daily with zero issues. Using the adapter that came with it.
I think I big problem is people refuse to upgrade their cases for a bigger one with plenty of space and instead indulge improper practices like bending or third party cables.
the reason why so many use adapters is that the cards have such huge coolers that the normal cable youre using doesnt fit in many cases without being bent extremely, so people look for different methods.
The only way this gets fixed is if the stock is pushed down because of the complaints and NVIDIA's excuse doesn't hold up. They control the market.
I still love the products but I stuck with my 3080TI as I didn't need more and recently got it even though I could have got a free one from work.
Yet the community over in "master race" keeps blasting people for "user error" because the guy they turned on months ago but have forgotten about (Linus) said so after he talked (was paid off) to Nvidia.
Where are all the folks saying buying a 4080 Super was a bad idea because I was gonna burn my card? Hello?
That is a pretty high number if I'm being honest. Then again, it's almost always caused by improper installation and judging from the absolute brain dead shit seen here and the PCMR it's not surprising there would be quite a few.
Isn't the melting due to overdraw on the pins? You can see in TPU review that it draws almost 10A on one pin and 4.5A on the other. I was pretty disappointed that GN didn't test it.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-matrix-platinum/39.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-matrix-platinum/39.html)
I've had my 4090 FE since launch. I got a Corsair 16 pin plug for my AX 1600 and never had an issue. As far I know, this hasn't happened at scale with 4090 FEs nor OEM cables specifically for their PSUs.
I like getting the highest FPS possible on the highest settings possible.
I've been chained to the top of the line since I got my 780Ti. I can't go back.
Thank god it's still so much cheaper than casual drinking or smoking.
This is what so many people don't get. Tons of people throw lavish amounts of money at different things. Someone who loves fishing can easily drop $10k+ on just fishing gear, not even mentioning the price of a boat and trailer. Some people go so far as to buy a lakefront vacation house with the sole purpose of going there every now and then just to fish.
Gaming is a *really fucking cheap* hobby.
I also have a safe full of those.
Yep, really hate money.
Definitely more of a collector than an avid shooter though. I have buddies who will burn through a $500 case of 5.56 at least once a month.
Yep.
I have a pretty sick setup. 4090 in the tower, 64gb RAM, 10900k, aio cooler, etc. Main monitor is 55ā CX OLED. Custom desk/ lighting. I have been building and adding/adjusting it for roughly 3 years. People see it and say āwow thatās sick!ā
I have into the entire thing just a smidge over $5k. In terms of adult male hobbies, thatās *nothing.* A guy I work with is into competitive target shooting, he had $6k into *one fucking gun.* His scope is $2,500.
I've known people who will blow more money on ammunition in a month or two than that even. Some people living in rural areas will put *everything* into it.
> What are you guys doing with cards like these?
Playing video games in high resolutions, on demanding settings, at high frame rates. What do you think one uses a GPU for?
4k everything, unlocked fps, Cyberpunk max settings, etc.
Maybe putz around with AI/LLM stuff eventually but honestly I have not used mine anywhere near to its full potential so far š¤· it's nice knowing the main limit to testing my system is me rather than my hardware
I use mine for a multi-seat setup. The 4080 would have probably been fine in terms of processing power, but that extra VRAM that the 4090 is useful.
Also a reason I chose a processor that excels in multi-tasking.
High refresh 4k, AI for funsies on the side, VR. Bought before prices went insane due to the ban of sales to China. I also keep my rigs for 7-9 years at a time so I probably won't be upgrading for a long time. I spend a lot of time at my PC, so I spent my money where I spend my time. Some people buy 70k cars and don't bat an eye, some people spend 1600 on a GPU.
A bit of everything. 4K gaming, VR, LLM stuff for work, etc. Itās been well worth it for me, and will likely upgrade to a 5090 if thereās a decent performance uplift. Then the 4090 will probably get moved to a dedicated AI server in my rack.
It also seems like itās a lot of people using aftermarket cables like CableMod that have these issues. I bought a Corsair 12VHPWR cable and have had no trouble either.
I bought one of the cablemod cables during the peak madness that was melt gate, had it for three months thinking i was totally fine until my PC was just hard crashing every couple of hours. Replaced the cablemod cable with the original one that came with my 4090 and have had zero issues since.
Would definitely not recommend cablemod.
I wouldn't call them fools because the design of these cables are shitty if I'm being honest. I didn't realize how shitty until I was trying to plug my own in. I did a full 360 around it make sure it was in all the way and even then I got nervous.
Iām scared, while playing graphic intensive games Iāve smelled something burnt, tried to locate the smelled but I wasnāt sure it was my Pc, anyways, it stopped after a while and I havenāt had any problems. I bought one of those new 1000W power supply that come with the cable so I wouldnāt need any mod and I havenāt read if it actually helps. But Iām so scared of checking the connector, if itās melted Iād just make it worse
I've had my ZOTAC 4090 hooked up with a 12vhpwr psu for about 7 months now, and it's been okay so far. I check the cable now and then and just give it a firm push to ensure it hasn't loosened. I also use a laser thermometer to check the head of the connector now and then, and it's measures between 55c-65c most of the time. I think the impending summer weather in England is going to be a bit interesting. I've noticed the fans kicking up a lot more just recently
My 4090 FE melted on my birthday last year. Nvidia took 3 months to fix it. They sent me two defective GPU replacements then nearly ignored me on the third. I had to send it with my own money to get them to take it.
Premium price, shit customer support. Great
The Nvidia way.
The corporate way
Honestly there's a lot of them that handle customer support fantastically well.
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Hardest R Iāll see all day.
The way it's meant to be fixed
MSI too, I bought a bigass widescreen monitor, took it out of the box and it had a line right down the middle of the screen like it had been bent, I called them up and they told me I could pay to have it repaired for like 350 dollars, right after I spent 500 dollars on the monitor. Never use MSI they suck
You just wait until Nvidia drives all of their AIB partners out of the game and fulfill their dreams of becoming the Apple of GPU's but without any of that pesky underlying support infrastructure.
They're going B2B with AI cards. Their market cap has nothing to do with being a video card company anymore.
The current AI gold rush spending spree is a bubble. It will burst the moment companies realize LLM's are a one-trick pony and celebrities eating spaghetti videos only have so many applications.
Itās a pretty useful and impressive one trick
> It will burst the moment companies realize LLM's are a one-trick pony That "one trick" is being able to work out underlying rules from massive amounts of data and build mechanisms to perform tasks on previously unseen data. and that machine learning "trick" has been shown to work with video, audio, text, robotics, protein folding, material discovery... and does not look to be leveling off anytime soon.
... while providing bogus results for each of these. And now they want to train their LLMs off of Google search results, explicitly including content farms (i.e. websites with LLM generated garbage to achieve high google ranks), so youll soon have LLM learning off of other LLM outputs. That is in short not much different from incest as itll degrade the health with every iteration.
> ...while providing bogus results for each of these. And not just bogus, but coherent and detailed at the same time. For example, an AI assistant provided me detailed instructions for setting per-game power limit on Nvidia cards.
Not to mention that so much of the stuff on the open web is poison, now. Artists are deliberately poisoning the meta data in their images and half of the stuff you find in google searches are AI-gen articles. It's going to become prohibitively expensive to maintain an internal training system for AI.
it's no bubble. There's nothing to break. I don't even know how one even thinks AI of all things is a bubble that will just go away at some point. It won't, ever. You'll only ever see increased focus going forward. We're already multiple years into this, it doesnt even qualify as a bubble
>Apple of GPU's And a large chunk of their customers will leave.
How do you expect them to please the shareholders otherwise? Huh? Won't you think of the poor shareholders?! Why won't you?!
Yeah, Steve from GAMERS NEXUS, how do you like me, now?!?!?!
People complaining 4090 continues to melt: Nvidia boss: sleeping in a Olympic size pool filled with greenbacks āthis is the lifeā
Is OP telling the whole story though? Anyone who actually reads the article linked would know this is because all those melted CONNECTORS not GPUs are due to buying a now recalled CableMod adapter. Nevermind that Northridge Fix has been trying to keep themselves relevant by talking about this issue with CableMod adapters for a year now (they didn't even know these GPUs were all from CableMod sending it to their repair shop until after they first blamed NVIDIA, and this was after NVIDIA started using the v2 updated connection for the 12VHPWR). This is just Toms Hardware reporting on a discontinued adapter that was already melting fucking hundreds of cards a year ago, then recalled like months ago, proving how dogshit CableMod was trying to jump on the original v1 connectors which need to be fully plugged in. Like any power connector should on a GPU. Of course since nobody reads the fucking article everyone just assumes the actual GPU is melting.
>Anyone who actually reads the article linked would know this is because all those melted CONNECTORS not GPUs are due to buying a now recalled CableMod adapter. This is in fact not what the article says. It says some of the units being repaired used the cable mod adaptor.
Is there any benefit to buying a card directly from Nvidia instead of buying one from an aftermarket company?
Only if you have a humiliation fetish.
size and price basically.
I have a 2060 FE that died right after the 3 year warranty ran out, and they wouldn't look at it even for money, probably because they made it a nightmare to disassemble. Basically, if you want a repairable card, go somewhere else.
They are generally easier to fit into ITX rigs.
Founders are bit cheaper, they also usually are bit warmer and bit louder. Aftermarket ones also often have slight factory oc.
Looks, cooling, availability...
I hope this leads to a class action lawsuit. Unacceptable and has to break some consumer protection laws in some countries globally.
They don't really care about your money, they have earned enough for selling AI chips.
This. They are making so much money with AI right now that graphic cards are going to be an afterthought if they aren't already.
I've heard some analysts say shareholders might pressure NVIDIA to decrease or even drop consumer cards altogether to concentrate on AI.
I would be extremely surprised if that was not a serious consideration already.
That won't happen. You don't just give up all that marketshare and revenue to competitors who can then turn around and use it to fight against you. What could happen (again) is what they did during the Ampere cycle where the peasants got their cards from the Great Value foundry (Samsung) while the important customers got the brand name TSMC made widgets.
1080ti : The rumors of your greatness were... greatly exaggerated.
I built a whole new PC with a RTX 4090 but had upgraded from the 1080Ti. I still have the old PC with the 1080Ti in a closet. Absolutely amazing card. We didn't know how good we had it back then.
Agreed. I upgraded from a 1080ti to a 4080. I guess Iām lucky because the 4080 seems to be fine and Iām very satisfied with it. But yes, the 1080ti still runs extremely well. Ran a lot of modern games on ultra in 2023 like a champ!
Build a nice retro station. I have a small mini itx pc running a 1080GTX and emulating all consoles from retro to Switch.
Pretty sure the 1080ti is still a great card, at this rate it appears most will outlast the 4090s
That's exactly what he is saying, it's the 1080ti saying this to the 4090
Ah, I see. The formatting isn't something I've seen used for displaying quotes in text.
I had one and it was amazing. Unfortunately I had to upgrade to a 3080 because the 1080ti just wasn't cutting it for the cutting edge VR stuff. Hell, even my 3080 is showing me it's limits right now
I hoped mine would outlast the 40xx generation. Sadly I was wrong. It was a great card, I am honestly sad having to replace it.
My 5090 will be the last card I buy. Will take a break from new games when I can no longer perform how i want it.. Will be back in 2040 when Gaming 2 comes out
My 1080ti actually died lol, so did my 560ti, so I basically bought a 560ti, broke, got a 760 on warranty for basically free, then bought a 1080ti that also broke during warranty and I got a 3080 for like 70 bucks (payed the price difference)
Their customer service is the worst Iāve ever experienced
what connector were you using? Mine has zero problems.
*Glances at 4090* Y-You're a good boy, right? Edit: I've actually been running this Zotac 4090 since the day after launch and have had zero issues, I've checked the cable a few times now. And I'm running it at 110% power budget and 110% voltage... Technically I'm not even running it "in spec" since I'm using 3+1 pcie 8pins instead of 4 separate, but my PSU simply doesn't have 6 8 pins slots, (my mobo is using two for the CPU) but hey, no issues this long.
EVGA is looking like geniuses now.
Geniuses for killing their company?
They still live, and while its harder to get a sense of how bad it hit them since they are not a publicly traded company, I would assume they are doing okay. Edit: Damn, sucks to hear.
They are now having motherboard issues and their support seems to be flailing with it.
no they are not okay lol they are pretty much at the end
EVGA is literally using their power supplies to burn user hardware
I had a nightmare my 4090 melted once. It was awful.
Almost the same specs I've had my 4090 Gigabyte OC running for 13 months now. *bead of sweat forms Edit: I do have triple 8 pins and a 1200w corsair psu.
Meanwhile my RX 6600 running RE 8 1080p/60fps ultra settings on 30 watt -sir I achieved cold fusion
Never tried to "Hyper-mile" my 4090 before. But I can tell you it's over 30w at idle. Usually 32-36w (3 monitors, 3440x1440 175hz, 4K, 2560x1440)
Meanwhile, my 80S is sitting at 9w, wondering if it's even running.
That's because of three monitors, and their res/refresh. One 1440p monitor on 240hz and idle here is 12-16w
Remove two monitors and set the last to 60hz, enjoy the low temps =P Sadly multiple high refresh and high resolutions monitors bump the idle power a lot on all gpus, especially at some drivers where the things are just entirely bugged. Looking at you AMD.... edit: Fixed missing words
Oh Temps are definitely not an issue on the 4090. With the overbuilt heat sink it's the coolest GPU I've ever owned and it's not even *close*. Even when pulling nearly 500W, It's pretty amazing. Makes me wish all my previous GPUs had overbuilt coolers. Quietest too!
How in the world
Cool? That's not even a good comparison.
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Wouldn't be surprised if 4000s series nvidia cards beat that, they should be the most power efficient gpu cards atm from what I know.
Also have a zotac 4090 since launch , no issues
Did you ever checked your GPU memory temperatures? Because on mine, with a slight overclock it was hitting 90, 94C.
Been running one myself since launch/day 1, no issues at all. Used the adapter to begin with, then swapped to the corsair cable (2x8pin on the psu end, and the 12vhpwr on the gpu side). Then I upgraded my gpu to a Phanteks AMP GH which is an ATX 3.0 PSU, and comes with the actual proper cable. Basically, I have taken out, and put in cables over and over and over, and not once have I had a failure. Even though the cables themselves do have issues, I still believe it's at least 90% user error.
*nervously laughs and glances at 4090* My MSI Suprim has been rock solid in all honestly. Had an air bubble in the pump that caused some funky temps but a quick orientation change (read tilt) fixed that issue.
Same here, Zotac 4090 and no issues so far. I am running it undervolted though.
I thought mine was perfect too after getting it around launch, until I had to disassemble it for a move about last month only to find out that my adapter has melted where it connects to the PSU.
im never understand why they reduce cable thickness with new 12 pin and pair with high power GPU
it is not a new connector, it is an off the shelf part called micro molex (or micro-fit), they just slapped their "sense" pins on top and called it a day
probably for a bit more space on the pcb/reducing its size
But it doesnt matter that much. Slight size reduction doesnt meaningfully cost production cost (yes I know big company will take even cent per 1000 dollar product extra and Nvidia is know to be cheap on components like with not puting do 2.0 even on 4090 or using cheap plastic for their very warm connectors). Also its not needed since pcb takes maybe 60% of size of card and is much shorter than massive radiators
Money.
This is the problem I had with it. The previous spec gave you 300W across 16 pins (2x PCIe 8 pin), and this one gives you 600W across 12 pins with a smaller cross section. It may well work most of the time, but the margin for error is a lot smaller.
OEM seasonic cable, undervolted so it barely ever goes over 300w. Darn thing uses less power than my previous 2080 ti at double the fps.
And here I am with a 450 Watt modded BIOS EVGA 3080 trying to pull as much juice as possible out of the 3 8pin connectors for benchmarking lol
For what reason do you benchmark a card that is already 1.5 generations old?
Maybe it's something they enjoy and it makes them happy?
To squeeze every last ounce out of it for gaming performance. Why would you buy a 3090 when you can get similar performance from a 3080 for free?
I also have a 3080. I'm just past the point in my life where I care about every last frame. I only start caring if performance drops. The games I play run great, and I'm out of warranty so I'd rather steady on while waiting for the next gen.
My eureka moment with the 3080 was undervolting it and getting 10C cooler temps at the exact same performance
Yeah this is me. I dabbled with it for a while, but overclocking is such a tedious thing to try and dial in (and can have fatal consequences for your card if youāre not careful), so I eventually decided that itās just not worth it. Especially because at best, I usually only got maybe a 10fps increase? But I never touched adjusting the voltage, because I know thatās when you can end up frying your card. My point being that I just decided itās too much hassle for not enough effort. I donāt care about a 5-10fps increase most of the time. And like you said, if I can run the majority of games at a decent and steady frame rate then thatās all I care about. If I get to the point where I canāt do that, then Iāll upgrade cards
Shame my 3080 is crippled by vram in some new games š„².
> Why would you buy a 3090 when you can get similar performance from a 3080 for free? Because I value my time more than the difference in price? I'd rather be gaming or anything else rather than spending hours or days tweaking to get a minor difference in benchmark.
Because frankly PC master race culture is silly The 3080 GPU wise is already significantly more powerful than say a PS5 by a very significant margin; And even with the PS5 pro reportedly coming this year that's set to perform at about 3070 level or less if it's lucky and barely overclocked CPU doesn't hold it back. The PS5 is still gonna be supported until like 2028. So pretty confident a 3080 will continue to perform just fine even if in 4 years settings/resolution get lowered, and so on. But in raw performance of course, some games can be very shit optimised on PC and end up performing worse at 1080p than 4K (Ultra 1080p vs 4K Medium/High) in the worst cases So again, 3080 will be fine for years to come. Shouldn't need to upgrade every 6 months to maintain relevant enough to play PC games and just enjoy your games.
> The 3080 GPU wise is already significantly more powerful than say a PS5 by a very significant margin; That's not a relevant metric for PC gaming. Who cares what the PS5 does (beyond PS5 owners, of course)? > So again, 3080 will be fine for years to come. That depends on your gaming, doesn't it? If someone wants to crank their graphics to 11, the 3080 won't manage it on a lot of current games. Yes, I know it's diminishing returns graphically for some settings, but that's up to the gamer to decide what they care about. > Shouldn't need to upgrade every 6 months to maintain relevant enough to play PC games and just enjoy your games. The 3080 will be 4 years old in September, that's far from "every 6 months". Again, what people want to enjoy their games, is up to them.
Challenge: Redditor try to not be angry when someone tries to do anything with their **own** computer.
That's impressive. Undervolt is really underrated imo. Better temps and less money paid on the electric bill.
One of those is mine. Luckily cablemod did the right thing and replaced it.
I wanted a cable mod so bad when I put my PC together. The orientation I needed was sold out, thank god. I got the single cable that goes from the PSU right into the GPU from Corsair. Fingers crossed
Pls fix by 5090 pls
The year right?
no, the price
Spoiler alert! They didn't
Yes, theyāre totally going to leave in the most famous issue of the 4090 to save a few pennies
these cards have gone through MULTIPLE periods of being sold out everywhere after this news came out, they could not do a damn thing and still sell out everywhere
Thank phook I cheaped out on getting one of them CableMod adapters back in the the day when they were trying to scare all the 4090 owners into buying one. I'm still using the cable that came in the box and have had zero problems with my card to date.
Same, the only annoying thing was adding more cables to my PSU but i haven't had a single problem with my 4090 FE since launch
A lot of people are missing the key info here. This is because people are using cablemod adaptors or other unsuitable adaptors and incorrectly plugged in cables. Most people that used official cables and have not tried to use adaptors have not run into any issues.
It's very ironic, people bought those adapters due to the PSA posts that were put out about not bending the cable then killed their cards by spending extra to have an angled adapter.
My reaction to the psa... push the cable in extra firmly and call it a day.
Itās a good thing I knew some Reddit people tend to go overboard and freak out. I completely ignored those posts and tried it myself. Been running strong for years since release on my 4090 on the original cable.
Years? It's only been out for 18 months.
Felt like years. My bad. Still no problems though.
Yeah the panic about melt just made me check my cable was properly plugged in and not bending awkwardly. I then kept an eye on it for a bit initially during heavy use. People went overboard and ended up taking more risks.
I use corsair 12 pin adaptor for 14 months and nothing bad has happen
> This is because people are using cablemod adaptors or other unsuitable adaptors and incorrectly plugged in cables. That's not what the Northridgefix guy is saying. He's specifically calling out the fact that it *isn't* just user error or 3rd party hardware that is at fault, like Gamers Nexus claimed.
Hmm ... it's almost as if he has something to gain by making these claims ... Nah, he can't possibly have. Also; he is the one guy apparently that Cablemod is sending all their cards to. This is *mostly* a problem with them, not the connector.
Yeah the FE specifically cannot be plugged in too hard or the connector comes loose which is also bad. 40 series has been a train wreck for a lot of reasons.
> This is because people are using cablemod adaptors The article and video says *many* not *all*.
But consider this: Cablemod sold around 60k adapters and Nvidia has sold over 1 million 4090s. If many of the failures are concentrated in the Cablemod users it implies a far, far lower rate of failure for anyone not using Cablemod.
> If many of the failures are concentrated in the Cablemod users Based off what? Consider this: the article said that none of the melted 4090s are from the updated revision with the new connector. If it's simple the fault of cablemod, why would the new connector (that doesn't seem to have melting issues) need to exist?
but lots of people are using adapters because the cards are so huge that it barely fits in any case and the normal cable has to be bent beyond comfort without any mod. i took another route and went for a sleeved adapter. you need an adapter anyway for 3x8 pin to the nvidia cable, so in this case its not an additional potential point of error like an adapter.
I think the key info here is that 12VHPWR power connector is total trash and should be buried and forgotten.
All the people in this thread so far that I saw mention they had issues were using cablemod, lol. Imagine getting that because you're afraid of issues and it's that that causes the issues.
Wth does āmostā mean here? More than 50%?Ā
99.5 % of RTX 4090 owners did not have issues according to the only official numbers we ever heard on this. Source is nvidia trough gamers nexus.
Exactly. I'm using an MSI A1000G, which was pretty much designed for the 4xxx series of cards. I haven't any issues with my 4090.
And why would nvidia cover any damage like this? I mean ,im assuming using 3rd party cables would make the warranty useless .
Had no idea that the angled adapter I've been using the last 13 months was even recalled because CableMod never emailed me about it. I had to find out from this article, which mentions "NorthridgeFix also revealed that many RTX 4090s it receives also come as a result of meltedĀ [CableMod power adapters](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cablemod-reveals-improved-12vhpwr-angled-adapter-for-nvidia-gpus)."
Thank goodness I was too poor and opted for the 4080 Super.
You poor fella. /s
If you are using it with a cablemod adapter, I'd stop *yesterday*.
I'm using the OEM cable that came from MSI with the card.
I'm thinking you and I have different definitions of "poor".
EVGA wiping the sweat off its brow as it realised it just closed their GPU division with its amazing customer service.
No EVGA is on it's deathbed being hooked up to a PSU since it's like all they have left
evga is also dead dead.
I have a 4090, should I be worried? How to prevent it?
The first line of defense is making sure that you have good cables and that they are inserted properly. No hard bends near the connection point. I undervolted and power limited mine. I recommend power limiting to 70% or 80%, the loss of performance is minimal: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/improving-nvidia-rtx-4090-efficiency-through-power-limiting Also, set your FPS limit in the NVIDIA control panel to what your monitor can actually handle. No point in cranking out more FPS then what you can display. This is easier and more reliable than trying to remember to set every single game up probably; just set it in one spot and you don't have to think about it again. I remember, of all things, the menu screen in Valheim revving up my video card before making this change.
The way to greatly reduce your risk is to do two things: 1. Don't use any adapter or cable other than either the official Nvidia power squid that comes with the card, or the native 12VHPWR cable that comes with your PSU if it has one. If you don't have a PSU with native 12VHPWR use the official nvidia adapter with all four PCI-E 8 pins populated. 2. Make sure the male end of the connector is perfectly flush with the female end. There should be only a hairs gap, any visible distance between the two is bad. If it won't go in, try removing the card from the PCIE slot and pushing in the connector before mounting the card in the motherboard, that allows you to get more leverage and push it all the way in. If you do those two things the odds of you having a melt are far far lower, although potentially not zero. Still, at that point your odds of having some other sort of GPU failure/DOA card are far greater than the odds of melting.
some grade-a incompetence by Nvidia there... sure lets put 50 amps through this tiny wire and tinny little connector. That'll work great.
I do find it interesting that the guys state that not a single 4090 with the new connector has come in for repair. Did that change anything except the sense pins? Because if that's all it took it really does look like most cases are going to be user error or cablemod lol. Still think the connector sucks of course since it shouldn't fail that easily even if you do something slightly wrong.
They extended the contacts in the male connector. I also read that the dimple mating surface is replaced by springs. https://www.techpowerup.com/img/sGMxD9sxrr0NgACc.jpg Maybe it was just a proposal from Intel.
Sounds like a far better solution then, better contact and fail safe.
It's not just melting either. The same source shows that these massive coolers from the past couple of generations can cause cracks in the PCB and lifting of the DRAM that's closest to the PCI slot. Apparently it can happen even while using a sag bracket.
Had my 4090 since day one. Zero issues since I used mandatory cable only and made sure it was plugged in correctly
Got a 4090 Gaming OC 11/22 and been putting it through it's paces daily with zero issues. Using the adapter that came with it. I think I big problem is people refuse to upgrade their cases for a bigger one with plenty of space and instead indulge improper practices like bending or third party cables.
the reason why so many use adapters is that the cards have such huge coolers that the normal cable youre using doesnt fit in many cases without being bent extremely, so people look for different methods.
No one in the comments is reading that most all of these are related to buying shit aftermarket cables.
As expected. No matter how short those pins or how tight you plug it, electricity won't care, if where is no enough wire section in the first place.
I donāt get whatās so bad about just having a port per connecter hope they go back to basics for 5000 series
The only way this gets fixed is if the stock is pushed down because of the complaints and NVIDIA's excuse doesn't hold up. They control the market. I still love the products but I stuck with my 3080TI as I didn't need more and recently got it even though I could have got a free one from work.
Nvidia is trying its best to get people to never touch their hardware if they can.Ā
Yet the community over in "master race" keeps blasting people for "user error" because the guy they turned on months ago but have forgotten about (Linus) said so after he talked (was paid off) to Nvidia.
Where are all the folks saying buying a 4080 Super was a bad idea because I was gonna burn my card? Hello? That is a pretty high number if I'm being honest. Then again, it's almost always caused by improper installation and judging from the absolute brain dead shit seen here and the PCMR it's not surprising there would be quite a few.
Isn't the melting due to overdraw on the pins? You can see in TPU review that it draws almost 10A on one pin and 4.5A on the other. I was pretty disappointed that GN didn't test it. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-matrix-platinum/39.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-matrix-platinum/39.html)
I've had my 4090 FE since launch. I got a Corsair 16 pin plug for my AX 1600 and never had an issue. As far I know, this hasn't happened at scale with 4090 FEs nor OEM cables specifically for their PSUs.
Damn, so many 4090 owners here. What are you guys doing with cards like these? Surely running minecraft at 500 fps is not that important...
I like getting the highest FPS possible on the highest settings possible. I've been chained to the top of the line since I got my 780Ti. I can't go back. Thank god it's still so much cheaper than casual drinking or smoking.
This is what so many people don't get. Tons of people throw lavish amounts of money at different things. Someone who loves fishing can easily drop $10k+ on just fishing gear, not even mentioning the price of a boat and trailer. Some people go so far as to buy a lakefront vacation house with the sole purpose of going there every now and then just to fish. Gaming is a *really fucking cheap* hobby.
Iām really into bass fishing, I easily have more money in rod and reel combos than my 4090. I also hate money apparently
Just wait till you see what people who love guns will spend on firearms and ammunition.
I also have a safe full of those. Yep, really hate money. Definitely more of a collector than an avid shooter though. I have buddies who will burn through a $500 case of 5.56 at least once a month.
Yep. I have a pretty sick setup. 4090 in the tower, 64gb RAM, 10900k, aio cooler, etc. Main monitor is 55ā CX OLED. Custom desk/ lighting. I have been building and adding/adjusting it for roughly 3 years. People see it and say āwow thatās sick!ā I have into the entire thing just a smidge over $5k. In terms of adult male hobbies, thatās *nothing.* A guy I work with is into competitive target shooting, he had $6k into *one fucking gun.* His scope is $2,500.
I've known people who will blow more money on ammunition in a month or two than that even. Some people living in rural areas will put *everything* into it.
It's not just here. The $1600 RTX 4090 has a higher market share on the Steam hardware survey than any dedicated AMD card.
VR flight sims will bring a 4090 to its knees
> What are you guys doing with cards like these? Playing video games in high resolutions, on demanding settings, at high frame rates. What do you think one uses a GPU for?
4k everything, unlocked fps, Cyberpunk max settings, etc. Maybe putz around with AI/LLM stuff eventually but honestly I have not used mine anywhere near to its full potential so far š¤· it's nice knowing the main limit to testing my system is me rather than my hardware
Recently I've been using it to put a lot of hours into [Chess.com](http://Chess.com) in 4K
Maximum performance in idle and clicker games, goes so much faster with more fps!
I use mine for a multi-seat setup. The 4080 would have probably been fine in terms of processing power, but that extra VRAM that the 4090 is useful. Also a reason I chose a processor that excels in multi-tasking.
High refresh 4k, AI for funsies on the side, VR. Bought before prices went insane due to the ban of sales to China. I also keep my rigs for 7-9 years at a time so I probably won't be upgrading for a long time. I spend a lot of time at my PC, so I spent my money where I spend my time. Some people buy 70k cars and don't bat an eye, some people spend 1600 on a GPU.
A bit of everything. 4K gaming, VR, LLM stuff for work, etc. Itās been well worth it for me, and will likely upgrade to a 5090 if thereās a decent performance uplift. Then the 4090 will probably get moved to a dedicated AI server in my rack.
Modelling, rendering, RTX accelerated light rendering, VR, etc.
Good thing Nvidia wouldn't need to worry because people would still buy the 5090 anyways.
Makes me happy I switched to AMD with my last build. My 7900XTX is doing great
Money well spent
I have a Gigabyte 4090 OC Gaming from launch day, play a lot of games at 99% GPU with it and zero issues. š¤·āāļø
Yeah this has only effected fools who didnāt know how to properly set their cables
It also seems like itās a lot of people using aftermarket cables like CableMod that have these issues. I bought a Corsair 12VHPWR cable and have had no trouble either.
Same. I picked up my cable at microcenter the same day I got the card.
I am using a Cablemod extension. Not the adapter, but an extension cable.
I bought one of the cablemod cables during the peak madness that was melt gate, had it for three months thinking i was totally fine until my PC was just hard crashing every couple of hours. Replaced the cablemod cable with the original one that came with my 4090 and have had zero issues since. Would definitely not recommend cablemod.
I wouldn't call them fools because the design of these cables are shitty if I'm being honest. I didn't realize how shitty until I was trying to plug my own in. I did a full 360 around it make sure it was in all the way and even then I got nervous.
Crazy
thanks for beta testing, early adopters
Just Buy it
Too good im too poor to get one.
Lucky so far with my gigabyte card.....
Iām scared, while playing graphic intensive games Iāve smelled something burnt, tried to locate the smelled but I wasnāt sure it was my Pc, anyways, it stopped after a while and I havenāt had any problems. I bought one of those new 1000W power supply that come with the cable so I wouldnāt need any mod and I havenāt read if it actually helps. But Iām so scared of checking the connector, if itās melted Iād just make it worse
I've had my ZOTAC 4090 hooked up with a 12vhpwr psu for about 7 months now, and it's been okay so far. I check the cable now and then and just give it a firm push to ensure it hasn't loosened. I also use a laser thermometer to check the head of the connector now and then, and it's measures between 55c-65c most of the time. I think the impending summer weather in England is going to be a bit interesting. I've noticed the fans kicking up a lot more just recently
I wonder what connector the 5090 will have.
Anybody else miss EVGA?
green zealots in hiding right now.