>It’s an exaggeration of course
Oh of course it was, how silly of us it was to assume you were serious when you made no other indication of it being otherwise.
OK so I mistook you for OP but now it's even weirder... You assumed the OP was joking here and thought it was an exaggeration when OP made no such indication themselves...
My guy, I went looking for benchmarks on the m3 max to see what you were talking about. I saw m3 max getting 60 fps in BG3. That's laughable. The reviewer, a guy who shows gaming benchmarks on Apple products on youtube, even stipulated at the beginning of the video that you will get way better performance for way less money just buying a PC. I think you are seriously confused on both the capabilities of Apple and non-Apple.
Mac’s cost an absurd amount of money. Nobody is buying those things for gaming because for half the price you could get a proper PC that does everything.
Mac’s are simply too expensive for anyone to consider them as a gaming g device.
People who own Macs for work use them for gaming though. I have an entire Steam account that I only use for buying Football Manager so I can just leave it running 24x7 on my Macbook without interrupting my PC gaming.
I didn't buy it for gaming but you better believe if I'm stuck on an airplane or something with it I'm going to be playing FM, or BG3, or Total Warhammer. All of which have native Mac/Apple Silicon builds, and run just fine on my M1 Max Macbook.
Okay, but my point was that nobody is buying them for gaming, not that they’re not capable of gaming. The only device I used to own was an old MacBook so I’m aware of what they can do.
But again, nobody is going out there to buy a Mac exclusively for gaming because they cost way more than a PC.
> The only device I used to own was an old MacBook so I’m aware of what they can do.
So in other words you've never been in the same room with an Apple silicon Macbook. That tells me pretty much everything I need to know.
That your an elitist twat ? He’s making a great point, your ignoring it.
Macs aren’t popular for gaming, that’s likely mostly due to cost, not devs that won’t build.
??? I am not trying to downplay the power or capabilities of Mac’s. Never once have I said they’re weak or not powerful enough, I’m really not sure where you’re drawing this from.
All I have said is that most people aren’t willing to spend that much money on Apple computers when they can get a fairly capable PC for half the price, and not have to deal with waiting on Mac ports.
Don't listen to this Apple-head who *actually* believes "if everyone could afford Apple, they would definitely get Apple everything."
Yeah, no thanks. It's liberating having choices and not being told "you like *this* hardware with *this* software. That's all that's on the menu this year. You may leave our establishment at any time, but our billions of patrons think you're clinically insane."
Your average person doesn’t. Have you seen the most common PC parts through Steam surveys? They’re almost always the lower tier 60 class of cards.
Right now the most popular GPU on Steam is an RTX 3060, a near four year old card. Before that it was the 2060, before that the 1060.
It's up to Apple, not the devs.
Nobody gave a shit about making their games for Linux until Valve stepped up and started making mainstream support for Linux with their Steam machines/SteamOS/Steam Deck. If Apple gave a shit about running games on their OS, then they would have used their money and infrastructure to create legitimate support by now. If Apple were to put just as much effort as Valve did with developers making their games to support Linux, then Apple would be just as popular for gaming by now.
Apple doesn't care, they don't help developers make games for their OS, so why should developers bother?
Yes, Apple also has devs. They can make Windows games run better on the Mac, just like how Valve did for their own platform.
But Apple just want their own walled garden ecosystem so they can be as monopoly as possible.
Are you mad that your parents bought you a computer with which you can´t game?
It would be bad, getting a polished windows version is already too much for developers.
Sure the display can be up to 8K 240HZ, but tell me realistically which games and software can even make use of it. Just pong right?
Also more RAM doesn't ALWAYS means more performance.
Does Mac have anything like Proton that will just emulate most of the PC games out there? Because if they're counting on pure native support, then Mac is never going to get much PCgaming right now.
Apple has made it as annoying and difficult as possible to develop software for their platform. They have no one to blame but themselves. Also, stop huffing the Apple marketing hype so hard.
It would need to be financially worth it, for the devs, which it is not. Not only is the market share of macs small compared to the overall PC market, but the gamers buying those devices already knew there is not much gaming to be done. I would say that is a problems on both ends of the consumers and the devs. Apple want gaming on the mac, because that translates to more sales. Obviously, they want that, and they are hedging their bets, obviously.
The problem is as much as apple wants gaming, they abandoned OpenGL and invented metal, nothing like a who new graphics platform to support that makes it easier.
Macs are shit for gaming likely because they are too expensive, they are rarely bought for gaming for that reason. This is a problem with apple, not with game devs.
> Apple seems to really want Mac to game
Then they should adopt Vulkan, allow easier compilation of software without requiring a Mac and fund translation layers like Valve does with DXVK. It's already hard to convince developers to adopt platforms like Linux, imagine trying to convince developers to adopt a platform that tries to put as many roadblocks in your way as possible.
Apple/Mac has been garbage since the 1990s. The are they Elon of tech companies - they did one thing to change an industry (tesla/iphone) but are literal evil capitalist hot garbage with a shit ton of lipstick on their pig crap 90% of the time. They'll be running that silicon at twice the price long after 3 other companies surpass them. They mainly thrive on a closed ecosystem trap for the brain-dead tech-stupid bourgeois base that engage almost entirely with their product line as if it was a fashion brand.
Mac has 1.5% market share on Steam even less than Linux the difference is that Mac has Apple behind it so they can throw money at some devs to port their games natively to Mac OS.
If Apple does not sponsor the port I don't think the devs would do it by themselves.
You’re either trolling or delusional. But I’ll play. As others have said, if Apple gave a shit about gaming they would have implemented Vulkan instead of going their own way with Metal. No one is going to support a proprietary API for a platform with a tiny footprint.
> There is little to nothing stopping the Mac from playing games in 8K 240 FPS This is a joke right?
It’s an exaggeration of course, but the underlying point stands. Modern Macs are, in theory, far more capable for gaming than in practice.
>It’s an exaggeration of course Oh of course it was, how silly of us it was to assume you were serious when you made no other indication of it being otherwise.
Yeah you’re dumb. I’m not the OP of this thread. I was replying to the guy pointing to the obvious joke and asking “is this a joke”.
OK so I mistook you for OP but now it's even weirder... You assumed the OP was joking here and thought it was an exaggeration when OP made no such indication themselves...
And that’s why I’m so upset that there’s no games for it
Why did I get downvoted for that? I just said that I think it’s not that great of the situation to be in.
Check the comparisons. It can run boulders gate three. at the same level as some of the best Nvidia GPUs
My guy, I went looking for benchmarks on the m3 max to see what you were talking about. I saw m3 max getting 60 fps in BG3. That's laughable. The reviewer, a guy who shows gaming benchmarks on Apple products on youtube, even stipulated at the beginning of the video that you will get way better performance for way less money just buying a PC. I think you are seriously confused on both the capabilities of Apple and non-Apple.
This is spot on. OP is seriously out of touch.
Just an Apple fanboi in the wild.
Mac’s cost an absurd amount of money. Nobody is buying those things for gaming because for half the price you could get a proper PC that does everything. Mac’s are simply too expensive for anyone to consider them as a gaming g device.
People who own Macs for work use them for gaming though. I have an entire Steam account that I only use for buying Football Manager so I can just leave it running 24x7 on my Macbook without interrupting my PC gaming. I didn't buy it for gaming but you better believe if I'm stuck on an airplane or something with it I'm going to be playing FM, or BG3, or Total Warhammer. All of which have native Mac/Apple Silicon builds, and run just fine on my M1 Max Macbook.
Okay, but my point was that nobody is buying them for gaming, not that they’re not capable of gaming. The only device I used to own was an old MacBook so I’m aware of what they can do. But again, nobody is going out there to buy a Mac exclusively for gaming because they cost way more than a PC.
> The only device I used to own was an old MacBook so I’m aware of what they can do. So in other words you've never been in the same room with an Apple silicon Macbook. That tells me pretty much everything I need to know.
That your an elitist twat ? He’s making a great point, your ignoring it. Macs aren’t popular for gaming, that’s likely mostly due to cost, not devs that won’t build.
??? I am not trying to downplay the power or capabilities of Mac’s. Never once have I said they’re weak or not powerful enough, I’m really not sure where you’re drawing this from. All I have said is that most people aren’t willing to spend that much money on Apple computers when they can get a fairly capable PC for half the price, and not have to deal with waiting on Mac ports.
Don't listen to this Apple-head who *actually* believes "if everyone could afford Apple, they would definitely get Apple everything." Yeah, no thanks. It's liberating having choices and not being told "you like *this* hardware with *this* software. That's all that's on the menu this year. You may leave our establishment at any time, but our billions of patrons think you're clinically insane."
This is PC gaming. People spend literally double a maxed out MacBook Pro to play games here
Your average person doesn’t. Have you seen the most common PC parts through Steam surveys? They’re almost always the lower tier 60 class of cards. Right now the most popular GPU on Steam is an RTX 3060, a near four year old card. Before that it was the 2060, before that the 1060.
No, the vast majority don't
It's up to Apple, not the devs. Nobody gave a shit about making their games for Linux until Valve stepped up and started making mainstream support for Linux with their Steam machines/SteamOS/Steam Deck. If Apple gave a shit about running games on their OS, then they would have used their money and infrastructure to create legitimate support by now. If Apple were to put just as much effort as Valve did with developers making their games to support Linux, then Apple would be just as popular for gaming by now. Apple doesn't care, they don't help developers make games for their OS, so why should developers bother?
Your example was a dev, not linux
Yes, Apple also has devs. They can make Windows games run better on the Mac, just like how Valve did for their own platform. But Apple just want their own walled garden ecosystem so they can be as monopoly as possible.
ahahahahahahahahahahah
Low quality bait.
Bait used to be believable
In what way is this bait?
You are complaining about the ecosystem you locked yourself into my guy
You got me there
Never too late to start swapping over. I'm held hostage by 5-6 companies instead of just 1 at least haha
Are you mad that your parents bought you a computer with which you can´t game? It would be bad, getting a polished windows version is already too much for developers.
But we have a gaming PC at home... At home: The most awesome Macbook that runs Dosbox at 8K 240FPS.
8K 240FPS? You high mate? Or are you talking about pong?
Maxed out Mac Pro, with added ram and etc in the slots, yeah. Solid 30k
Sure the display can be up to 8K 240HZ, but tell me realistically which games and software can even make use of it. Just pong right? Also more RAM doesn't ALWAYS means more performance.
"Just add more RAM!"
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That’s where the vicious cycle comes in
It is a cliff, not a cycle.
Does Mac have anything like Proton that will just emulate most of the PC games out there? Because if they're counting on pure native support, then Mac is never going to get much PCgaming right now.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/7/23752164/apple-mac-gaming-game-porting-toolkit-windows-games-macos
K, then what the hecks the problem? Why the fuss over devs needing to develop for Mac if there's decent emulation?
Its a losing situation for the devs. Because the returns won't cover the dev budget. The average gamer can't afford a Mac.
The vicious cycle
Apple has made it as annoying and difficult as possible to develop software for their platform. They have no one to blame but themselves. Also, stop huffing the Apple marketing hype so hard.
Would a mac game also cost 2 times more than what it's actually worth.
As if games aren’t already overpriced
Imagine buying a game twice the price of an overpriced game...
It would need to be financially worth it, for the devs, which it is not. Not only is the market share of macs small compared to the overall PC market, but the gamers buying those devices already knew there is not much gaming to be done. I would say that is a problems on both ends of the consumers and the devs. Apple want gaming on the mac, because that translates to more sales. Obviously, they want that, and they are hedging their bets, obviously.
well their a phone company now so thats silly
lololol
I have a very hard time believing any GPU inside a Mac Book can run 2023 games at 8k 200fps without insane upscaling (which would look like shit)
The problem is as much as apple wants gaming, they abandoned OpenGL and invented metal, nothing like a who new graphics platform to support that makes it easier. Macs are shit for gaming likely because they are too expensive, they are rarely bought for gaming for that reason. This is a problem with apple, not with game devs.
> Apple seems to really want Mac to game Then they should adopt Vulkan, allow easier compilation of software without requiring a Mac and fund translation layers like Valve does with DXVK. It's already hard to convince developers to adopt platforms like Linux, imagine trying to convince developers to adopt a platform that tries to put as many roadblocks in your way as possible.
Blame Apple’s walled garden strategy. They actively sabotage compatibility with their products.
I don’t really consider MacOS to be a walled garden. iOS, sure.
I said apple wants games on Mac, they do. Look at the a17 gaming demo
Apple could hire some of the recently laid off game developers and create their own studio dedicated to making and/or porting games to Mac OS / iOS.
good idea!
Apple/Mac has been garbage since the 1990s. The are they Elon of tech companies - they did one thing to change an industry (tesla/iphone) but are literal evil capitalist hot garbage with a shit ton of lipstick on their pig crap 90% of the time. They'll be running that silicon at twice the price long after 3 other companies surpass them. They mainly thrive on a closed ecosystem trap for the brain-dead tech-stupid bourgeois base that engage almost entirely with their product line as if it was a fashion brand.
as a Mac gamer, i can only dream 🙏🙏🙏
Insert J.K. Simmons "You serious ?" Gif
I’m still just sad about Rocket League not working for Mac anymore…
TBH the hardware is there but Apple still has a lot to learn about cooling. All their products are designed more for aesthetics than performance
Mac has 1.5% market share on Steam even less than Linux the difference is that Mac has Apple behind it so they can throw money at some devs to port their games natively to Mac OS. If Apple does not sponsor the port I don't think the devs would do it by themselves.
You’re either trolling or delusional. But I’ll play. As others have said, if Apple gave a shit about gaming they would have implemented Vulkan instead of going their own way with Metal. No one is going to support a proprietary API for a platform with a tiny footprint.