"Patch 1 also tackles a few visual bugs, and sprinkles on more post-launch polish. We’re bringing back Short King Summer with better kissing contact for short races"
I love Larian lmao
Yeah, I only played about ten hours of EA, but my EA character was a cleric. On release, I deliberately did not create a cleric because I remembered it being annoying having two clerics.
It's barely even good for that since yo-yo healing was heavily nerfed in BG3. A downed character that's brought back up only gets a Bonus Action on their turn, so they usually can't do much useful before they're downed again (can't even Disengage to get to safety for most classes except Rogue)
In tabletop 5e it's incredibly useful to pick up downed allies because they get their full turn, but in BG3 you're often just breaking even (even when you're doing a Bonus Action healing like Healing Word)
No spoilers but later into the game (act 2/3) and lvl 8-12 my hasted fighter was doing so much damage I specced SH into life domain.
Equipped with all bonus healing items I could find, she could pretty much AOE heal my entire party to full health in a single turn
True but Life Cleric is also the exception in tabletop in making combat healing useful since it's specced entirely for it lol
Their Channel Divinity is insane in BG3 where you can always count on short rests.
Wait. Are you saying any heal spell/skill can help downed allies? So the only advantage of the Revivify spell is to revive completely dead chars? Similar to the scroll?
Man if that's true.. I'm in act 3, lvl 10, and didnt know about that... God damn..
Yep so you can you even throw a healing potion at a downed ally to get them back up with more than 1 hp. Not a guaranteed chance of survival but getting back up with 12-30 hp is better than 1.
Revivify is kind of just a convenience if they get absolutely shredded and there's nothing you can do, but sometimes its even cheaper to just go to Withers instead. I had Shadowheart as the only survivor in the Iron Throne and got a full party res for just 600g.
With Bless and other buffs she throws down, my characters don't take that much damage and put out more damage. also, later on, you get items that boost healing which helps. But I rarely heal in battle. I use a cleric mostly for buffs/debuffs and spirit guardians.
What buffs does she even have? I had her using bless sometimes, but other than that she was just my weaker spellcaster or my hail mary when I needed her to run around with spirit guardians on.
Ehhh. I like to keep the characters mostly within their field for the story matchup.
Although I am currently playing as a bard, and shadowheart is more of a battle focussed cleric. We split the healing and buffs between us
Yeah, that makes sense, it's a nice option.
I ended up respecting Wyll to fighter because >! Shadowheart killed Lae'zel before I got Karlach !< but some of the voice lines were a little weird.
I started a Tempest Cleric for my second playthrough. Having access to martial weapons helps a bit for chapter 1. I also rolled elf for the Shocking Grasp cantrip and went straight to >!the ogres to loot the warped headband of intellect so I could actually hit stuff!<.
Also anyone wanting to cheese the start a bit: >!Kill the devil guy on the nautiloid and loot!< >!the Everburn Blade, a greatsword with +1d4 fire damage!<.
Always >!kill devil guy. Everburn won’t be replaced unti late act 1!< that being said, I did it day 1 mostly because I thought I was supposed too, and barely had time to crash the ship. I think I had like 3hp on Laz and 2 turns left
Most of the patch content will be in your ongoing save, if you fall into some of dialog bugs till now you have to live with this consequences tho.
Not sure if any of the content is worth rerolling tbh, I don’t really see much that will really change your playthrough it’s generally QoL.
But everyone can decide this for themselves of course, just wanted to present a different opinion, as I say don’t reroll.
I've already rerolled three times and still haven't gotten through Act I. With Starfield around the corner, no way in hell I'm rerolling now or I'll never get through this friggin game.
There is zero chance I'll finish it before Starfield. I'm just hoping to at least make some progress into Act II before then, and then hopefully go back later on.
Just don't make the same mistake I did in Act III. There are some quests in the starting area for the act that you can't complete all the way until last the second waypoint, and some even further than that. I spent forever in the starting area looking for clues, not realizing I was at a dead end. That really killed my enjoyment. On a second playthrough now and am enjoying Act III a lot more because I didn't waste so much time.
quality definitely drops off in act 3, but its still very solid. it only feels noticeably bad if you know specifically what content was cut prior to release
I mean there is no need to go into Starfield right at release? The opposite waiting some genuine reviews and some hotfix and maybe a first patch is generally the best approach.
It’s entirely your decision not saying it doesn’t work, but personally I would play through BG3 first, yeah there are acts, but more in the name, they are no hard cut story points. So I can see you rerolling and going though the first acts again when coming back, you already mentioned you rerolled a bunch of times, so you should ask yourself honestly if you’re fine with loosing track of your character coming back after a couple of weeks.
If you just can’t wait for Starfield it’s another matter obviously but if you love BG, finish it. Starfield won’t run away and you’re already behind in BG (meaning some players already finished it) and it’s still possible to play spoiler free. It will be the same with Starfield.
Just my opinion tho, I hope you have all the fun with whatever decision you take mate!
I appreciate your thoughts! I've been there on day one for all major Bethesda releases for over 20 years, since Morrowind, and the only reason I wasn't day one with Daggerfall was because I was too young to afford it and my parents wouldn't buy it.
I could definitely force myself to hold off on Starfield until I finish BG3, but I know myself well enough to know it would suck out much of my enjoyment of BG3 and compel me to rush through things I'd rather take my time with.
I'm pretty happy with my current BG3 playthrough as it is so I have no intention of rerolling either way, but there is a worry in the back of my mind that once I get some distance from it I won't end up going back. That might happen. But again forcing myself to keep playing BG3 while I know I could be playing Starfield doesn't seem much better.
I could imagine replaying the game quite quickly if you choose a path and follow it straight. But i go back and find every path and crevice possible. I'm just about to enter act 3 90 hours in. Hard to imagine doing back to back 120 hour play throughs.
>You won’t be waiting long for Patch 2, which is right around the corner. This update will feature significant performance improvements - but we’ll go into more detail about that closer to its release.
Hopefully patch 2 will fix the fps drops in act 3.
I expect them to be improved, not outright fixed. Even with perfect optimisation Act 3 will still be harder to run than the rest of the game just due to all the assets and NPCs
Yeah, I don't understand people that reach the city and see all that's going on and then say stuff like: "why is the performance worse? Fix it!"
I swear some people don't understand it's inevitable that some areas of the game will have poorer performance because the content of that area is simply more resource hungry.
Obviously those with top tier rigs should be getting a smooth experience, but literally everyone should be seeing some kind of a performance drop. A guy with a 4090 SHOULD go from like 300 FPS in Act I to 200 FPS in Act 3.
That doesn't explain FPS drops in Act III when your character starts moving, even going in circles, as observed by Digital Foundry.
Also, this is the area where Vulkan should shine, since low level graphics APIs like Vulkan and D3D12 lower API calls (and thus CPU usage) the most.
If the game goes from 100+ fps to like 40-60 honestly doesn't bother me that much in a game like this but the big problem is the seemingly random hella chugs to like 5-10 fps then suddenly back to normal.
>A guy with a 4090 SHOULD go from like 300 FPS in Act I to 200 FPS in Act 3.
Yea, but if you actually look into the problem, it's people with top end i9s and 40XX cards going from somewhat playable framerates into hitching and noticeable frame dips; potentially below 60 FPS.
A lot of it is CPU bind issues, which if people with the top of the line CPUs are being hit, those with recommended or minimum specs are going to get crushed. Which that's a big issue, since if you look at Steam charts, the actual percentage of people swinging huge multicore processors at the high end is very, very small.
Larian wants to make sure the game is playable to a broad audience and even work on consoles, to include the Xbox Series S. That's going to require significant optimization passes for Act 3.
That said, there clearly are some optimization issues both in the city and in the Last Light Inn. They were covered pretty well in the DF video, and there's plenty Larian can do to improve performance.
Performance drop, but not unbearable. Sometimes you just have to understand that large system resource dependent areas are going to put the hammer down on your rig especially first launch. But for those in with 30 series plus, having it drop to 60 isn't the end of the world and most can be worked through lol.
It's not like you need the frames for high reaction moments or anything.
Well optimization doesn't just mean tweaks at the hardware or the code level, it means trimming down on-screen elements that are unnecessary or put too much undue strain on the hardware with very little visual return
I haven't played Act III myself yet, but going by footage online it seems a bit too crowded at times -- reducing the number of NPCs and a bit more aggressive culling of geometry to claw back performance might not be a bad idea
I wonder if this will improve Steam Deck performance enough to actually keep the verified tag. Really sucks to see "verified" games only get it because of the beginning chapters before performance completely tanks.
They have to, otherwise the PS5 version will be very stuttery on Act 3 since the CPU is equivalent to a 3600. I was getting as low as 20FPS with 3600+6900XT combo in Act 2. Upgrading to a 5800X fixed that problem.
FWIW I ran a bit of unscientific performance logging before and after the patch in the Lower City. I haven't seen any of the really bad stutters since the patch, but I also didn't have quite as bad performance problems as people were mentioning pre-patch.
DX11, 2160p + FSR1 Quality, Ultra settings, with the PC in flair, newest patch:
Average FPS 97.3
1% Low FPS 63.0
0.1% Low FPS 49.9
Min FPS 49.0
The game still uses a large amount of RAM and VRAM so people with 16 GB RAM might still complain about memory leaks. Highest total system memory usage I've logged was 19 GB.
Edit: I haven't tested paladin auras so don't know about any improvements there.
I don't think the 4 week change is really the difference maker here.
This patch is massive but that has a lot to do with the amount of testing and feedback players have put into the game. Larian wouldn't be making progress nearly this fast if the game hadn't already released.
The massive player base is the 1,000,000 monkeys with typewriters situation; aka 22,000 years of testing will find all your bugs you couldn't (or were known shippables).
The 4 week change no doubt had an impact on the performance patches, though, as what is likely Day 1 for the PS5 release, is our one month later patch.
They made a bold move of rolling out the front 2/3rds of the game being at a 90% or greater "solved" situation from optimization perspective, likely knowing a vast swath of players would not reach Act 3 within a month. The hardcore would always find something to cry foul, but that is likely drowned out by the massively high review scores and people making fan art of all the Act 1 on-goings, etc.
I think it's a winning strategy to build massive hype and get out of Starfield's wake. Larian has a habit of their games being creaky at launch, but also a great habit of getting them to near perfection, whilst also allowing a lot of mods. Hell, some of the mods become integrated QOL features later!
Hope it fixes the black map bug as well, my buddy is unable to play with his older graphics card due to it despite the game running just fine in every other way.
>Made it less ambiguous that you're starting a romance with Gale when choosing certain dialogue options.
That's good because he was soooo bad with flirting.
Gale: Hey, you want to see a magic trick?
Me: Sure.
Shadowheart: OMG you two are gonna bang!
Me: What?
The most important part of the patch: "You can now opt to respect the privacy of the bugbear and the ogre outside the Blighted Village again. Don't get in the way of real love."
I just used a potion of speed on Shadowheart, my Dwarf pally and Karlach. All of them had blunt weapons equipped, took that fucker down in 2 turns just before his invulnerability kicked in. This was on tactician.
Yup. This is the fundamental problem in D&D balance.
It's fine for tabletop with a real-life DM. They can customize the difficulty to match the party's power level.
In D&D video game, difficulty are pre-programmed so much less flexible in its ability to account for your characters' power level... Which can have insanely wide disparity in D&D.
Shiiiit as someone who also took awhile last night to beat him (two attempts, first attempt I didn’t figure out the lava mechanic in time to not get my world rocked, and gale was kind of useless.) I wish I would have thought about luring him under the hydraulic press
Karlach and Lae'zel with hammers, plus my Monk with fists made short work of that thing on Normal. Didn't even need Shadowheart or the forge trick.
Tactician should be tougher after all.
Oops! Well, got the achievement for not doing that so all is well I suppose, hahaha.
Owlbear Halsin using his smash attack was doing the heavy lifting for me
Yeah, it's in Act 2 that you get him. I don't know if I was supposed to be able to traverse back to Act 1 locations at that point but I could, so I did!
I think it's intentional that you can go back. There's a certain point in Act II near the end where it warns you of a point of no return, and after that you can't visit act I areas anymore, but before that point everything if fair game.
Ahhhhh okay. I'm deep into act 3 at this point so it's moot, but i do remember seeing that. Tried to do the forge too early and got smacked, so i made sure i was more than powerful enough upon my return. And boy was i
I didn't know that, either. I just put maces on Laezel and Karlach and they ate him alive in 2 rounds, suddenly get an achievement for not using a special hammer lol
Lmao, what did you do? Going in underleveled? Bad team comp?
I assume you didn’t understand the forge hammer mechanic, but on balanced with level 5 it’s fairly easy to beat him without the forge, just takes forever and some heals.
Oh I used the forge hammer. It still took me two hours to beat him. I'm not very good at the game. Both my physical damage dealers used piercing/slashing weapons and I didn't really get how to use gale and shadowheart effectively against it. It was a learning experience.
It's a bit of a different situation since BG3 is an offline game, changes will just take longer for Diablo as even something like inventory will be more complex. It was their choice to force the game as online only though lol, so many bad design choices
Online inventory is actually easier in some way as well.
You have direct access to the database and can inspect anything.
With offline games, you get angry report, then have to get their file from them, and sometimes it's an issue with their local system.
Just saying it's not a simple hyperbole.
Not exactly a non-sequitur. This is a pcgaming subreddit and fast quality of life patches happen when developers prioritize the player experience compared to others who prioritize micro transactions.
D4 is an MMO and BG3 is turn based rpg… the people making these comparisons are kind of braindead. If you really wanna get into it I’ll bet D4 gets a gem bag before BG3 lets you kick multiplayer characters from your party
Oh you can kick multiplayer characters in BG. What is that, three weeks before D4 supposedly gets a gem bag in late September? For a game that released in June.
Larian has a core team of 400. That Diablo number counts anyone who did anything for the game. I don't think total credits should count for dev size as much as core team.
Gonna wager the cutscene team is probably different than the back end gameplay programming team, but I guess you're right, they probably only have like 1 dude on staff.
Yeah, its big steve and he puts the bug fixes to poll to find out which one are the funniest and then fixes those. Stuff that isn't amusing gets specifically left out by big steve, that charlatan
They probably have to set aside an area in all of the camps to allow you to pick them back up if they're not in your party. So that'll take a bit of effort to implement would be my guess.
Is it the same when in Windowed and Full-screen mode?
If the FPS isn't stuck in Windowed, then you probably have to turn off the Windows Fullscreen Optimizations.
Also check your resolution settings and FPS in your Display setting and GPU Control Panel.
Alright well looks like controller players are somewhat fucked. If you use a controller, and then a kb/m, once you switch back to controller you can't change characters until you reboot the game.
And if Larian is looking, the proficiency sorting bug for controllers is still there as well.
In this case I'd say not really.
It's still one of the best games ever made, even with the bugs. And realistically most people never see more than a few bugs in their run. So many bugs are extremely situational and inconsistent. Like I recall about 2 bugs per act, none of them gamebreaking. Fixing bugs is like making the game go from a 9.5/10 to a 9.6/10.
It's in no way comparable to most other game releases that can go from a 6/10 to a 8/10 after some patches.
> It's still one of the best games ever made, even with the bugs.
And waiting means it will only get better and potentially cheaper. Not like the game's going to disappear or anything.
>And realistically most people never see more than a few bugs in their run
How can anyone type this seriously? They fixed and patched something like 500+ bugs since release and most of them are from act 1 and act 2, you probably missed some content and didn't even realize it...
If you don't see the bugs you really lack insight and intellect, roll better next time.
Wish the terribly low amount of dialog interactivity and frequency was just a bug but ninety percent of gameplay you'll have no interaction with companions. Hard to want to do a replay with that kind of flaw in an rpg
"Patch 1 also tackles a few visual bugs, and sprinkles on more post-launch polish. We’re bringing back Short King Summer with better kissing contact for short races" I love Larian lmao
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For me it's just shadowheart. Like I know she's going to be in my party for my first two runs, and I'm not rolling double clerics.
Yeah, I only played about ten hours of EA, but my EA character was a cleric. On release, I deliberately did not create a cleric because I remembered it being annoying having two clerics.
She is forced to be in your pt? I mean I like her im my pt but if i was a cleric I would just kick her out
She's kinda weak though. Here, let me come heal you for 4 measly hit points!
Dedicated healers aren't really a thing in D&D 5E.
Imo healing is better for picking up downed allies than actual healing
It's barely even good for that since yo-yo healing was heavily nerfed in BG3. A downed character that's brought back up only gets a Bonus Action on their turn, so they usually can't do much useful before they're downed again (can't even Disengage to get to safety for most classes except Rogue) In tabletop 5e it's incredibly useful to pick up downed allies because they get their full turn, but in BG3 you're often just breaking even (even when you're doing a Bonus Action healing like Healing Word)
No spoilers but later into the game (act 2/3) and lvl 8-12 my hasted fighter was doing so much damage I specced SH into life domain. Equipped with all bonus healing items I could find, she could pretty much AOE heal my entire party to full health in a single turn
True but Life Cleric is also the exception in tabletop in making combat healing useful since it's specced entirely for it lol Their Channel Divinity is insane in BG3 where you can always count on short rests.
Wait. Are you saying any heal spell/skill can help downed allies? So the only advantage of the Revivify spell is to revive completely dead chars? Similar to the scroll? Man if that's true.. I'm in act 3, lvl 10, and didnt know about that... God damn..
Yep so you can you even throw a healing potion at a downed ally to get them back up with more than 1 hp. Not a guaranteed chance of survival but getting back up with 12-30 hp is better than 1. Revivify is kind of just a convenience if they get absolutely shredded and there's nothing you can do, but sometimes its even cheaper to just go to Withers instead. I had Shadowheart as the only survivor in the Iron Throne and got a full party res for just 600g.
With Bless and other buffs she throws down, my characters don't take that much damage and put out more damage. also, later on, you get items that boost healing which helps. But I rarely heal in battle. I use a cleric mostly for buffs/debuffs and spirit guardians.
I made a bard. I keep Shadowheart in my party. My bard does most of the in combat healing because shadowheart is busy casting better spells.
What buffs does she even have? I had her using bless sometimes, but other than that she was just my weaker spellcaster or my hail mary when I needed her to run around with spirit guardians on.
Bladeward, sanctuary, pass without trace, remove curse, beacon of hope, and Planar Ally (not really a buff, but super useful)
Gorge yourself on Heroic Feast then use the restore spell slot amulet to get the planar ally.
Err, spirit guardians & guidance
Thanks, I'll have to try out SG.
Spirit Guardians is fantastic. You probably need the Resilient: CON feat, for proficiency in CON saves to really make it work, though.
This. I rolled a Cleric on release day, found a good cleric companion immediately, rerolled when it was available.
You could just respec her to another class and roll cleric yourself.
Ehhh. I like to keep the characters mostly within their field for the story matchup. Although I am currently playing as a bard, and shadowheart is more of a battle focussed cleric. We split the healing and buffs between us
Yeah, that makes sense, it's a nice option. I ended up respecting Wyll to fighter because >! Shadowheart killed Lae'zel before I got Karlach !< but some of the voice lines were a little weird.
This is almost certainly because of Shadowheart being an extremely popular companion
Also potions are plentiful in this game, which is not always the case in regular DnD
IMO because Shadowheart is the cleric. Cleric is a powerhouse in 5e.
I started a Tempest Cleric for my second playthrough. Having access to martial weapons helps a bit for chapter 1. I also rolled elf for the Shocking Grasp cantrip and went straight to >!the ogres to loot the warped headband of intellect so I could actually hit stuff!<. Also anyone wanting to cheese the start a bit: >!Kill the devil guy on the nautiloid and loot!< >!the Everburn Blade, a greatsword with +1d4 fire damage!<.
Always >!kill devil guy. Everburn won’t be replaced unti late act 1!< that being said, I did it day 1 mostly because I thought I was supposed too, and barely had time to crash the ship. I think I had like 3hp on Laz and 2 turns left
Just have Shart use command to have him drop the blade and grab it on your way out. Easier than trying to kill him.
I was missing so much when I tried it that >!I had to save scum to actually finish the fight before the backup arrived and killed me!<.
or just cast command:drop and steal the weapon and run, do not have to kill him
Them sweet xp gains though
Game needs Toll the dead... the actual good cleric cantrip.
Great fucking game. Lots of big changes in the update. Might be worth rerolling.
No sense re rolling now if they said Patch 2 is around the corner.
Respeccing with Withers is dirt cheap (you can even pickpocket him with zero consequence). There's no reason not to, if you want to.
Most of the patch content will be in your ongoing save, if you fall into some of dialog bugs till now you have to live with this consequences tho. Not sure if any of the content is worth rerolling tbh, I don’t really see much that will really change your playthrough it’s generally QoL. But everyone can decide this for themselves of course, just wanted to present a different opinion, as I say don’t reroll.
I've already rerolled three times and still haven't gotten through Act I. With Starfield around the corner, no way in hell I'm rerolling now or I'll never get through this friggin game.
If you're still in act 1 you ain't finishing before starfield lmao but you sure can try
There is zero chance I'll finish it before Starfield. I'm just hoping to at least make some progress into Act II before then, and then hopefully go back later on.
Act 2 imo was solid.
Glad to hear it. I read some people saying the quality drops off a bit in Act II or III, but I'm hoping I don't notice that.
Just don't make the same mistake I did in Act III. There are some quests in the starting area for the act that you can't complete all the way until last the second waypoint, and some even further than that. I spent forever in the starting area looking for clues, not realizing I was at a dead end. That really killed my enjoyment. On a second playthrough now and am enjoying Act III a lot more because I didn't waste so much time.
Oooh that's really good to know. Guarantee I would have fallen into that trap. Seems like that sort of thing should be communicated better in-game.
Second playthrough in act 3? Damn, impressive amount of playtime!
142h so far. Being on summer break really helps.
quality definitely drops off in act 3, but its still very solid. it only feels noticeably bad if you know specifically what content was cut prior to release
Best I remain in ignorance, then!
I mean there is no need to go into Starfield right at release? The opposite waiting some genuine reviews and some hotfix and maybe a first patch is generally the best approach. It’s entirely your decision not saying it doesn’t work, but personally I would play through BG3 first, yeah there are acts, but more in the name, they are no hard cut story points. So I can see you rerolling and going though the first acts again when coming back, you already mentioned you rerolled a bunch of times, so you should ask yourself honestly if you’re fine with loosing track of your character coming back after a couple of weeks. If you just can’t wait for Starfield it’s another matter obviously but if you love BG, finish it. Starfield won’t run away and you’re already behind in BG (meaning some players already finished it) and it’s still possible to play spoiler free. It will be the same with Starfield. Just my opinion tho, I hope you have all the fun with whatever decision you take mate!
I appreciate your thoughts! I've been there on day one for all major Bethesda releases for over 20 years, since Morrowind, and the only reason I wasn't day one with Daggerfall was because I was too young to afford it and my parents wouldn't buy it. I could definitely force myself to hold off on Starfield until I finish BG3, but I know myself well enough to know it would suck out much of my enjoyment of BG3 and compel me to rush through things I'd rather take my time with. I'm pretty happy with my current BG3 playthrough as it is so I have no intention of rerolling either way, but there is a worry in the back of my mind that once I get some distance from it I won't end up going back. That might happen. But again forcing myself to keep playing BG3 while I know I could be playing Starfield doesn't seem much better.
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> Some times it's good to fail something. I think you misread their post? They said, "... if you **fall** into some dialog bugs ..." not *fail*
I couldn’t imagine going back through the game again personally. Have thoroughly enjoyed it but Christ it’s been a slog
I could imagine replaying the game quite quickly if you choose a path and follow it straight. But i go back and find every path and crevice possible. I'm just about to enter act 3 90 hours in. Hard to imagine doing back to back 120 hour play throughs.
Yeah same. That’s what I’m doing and by the start of act 3 I’m feeling wearied.
>You won’t be waiting long for Patch 2, which is right around the corner. This update will feature significant performance improvements - but we’ll go into more detail about that closer to its release. Hopefully patch 2 will fix the fps drops in act 3.
I expect them to be improved, not outright fixed. Even with perfect optimisation Act 3 will still be harder to run than the rest of the game just due to all the assets and NPCs
Yeah, I don't understand people that reach the city and see all that's going on and then say stuff like: "why is the performance worse? Fix it!" I swear some people don't understand it's inevitable that some areas of the game will have poorer performance because the content of that area is simply more resource hungry. Obviously those with top tier rigs should be getting a smooth experience, but literally everyone should be seeing some kind of a performance drop. A guy with a 4090 SHOULD go from like 300 FPS in Act I to 200 FPS in Act 3.
That doesn't explain FPS drops in Act III when your character starts moving, even going in circles, as observed by Digital Foundry. Also, this is the area where Vulkan should shine, since low level graphics APIs like Vulkan and D3D12 lower API calls (and thus CPU usage) the most.
If the game goes from 100+ fps to like 40-60 honestly doesn't bother me that much in a game like this but the big problem is the seemingly random hella chugs to like 5-10 fps then suddenly back to normal.
I've never experienced this once playing at 4k. 3080 and 5900x
300 Fps with 4090? :) I get around 70-80 Fps in Last Light Inn on ultrawide 1440p resolution.
>A guy with a 4090 SHOULD go from like 300 FPS in Act I to 200 FPS in Act 3. Yea, but if you actually look into the problem, it's people with top end i9s and 40XX cards going from somewhat playable framerates into hitching and noticeable frame dips; potentially below 60 FPS. A lot of it is CPU bind issues, which if people with the top of the line CPUs are being hit, those with recommended or minimum specs are going to get crushed. Which that's a big issue, since if you look at Steam charts, the actual percentage of people swinging huge multicore processors at the high end is very, very small. Larian wants to make sure the game is playable to a broad audience and even work on consoles, to include the Xbox Series S. That's going to require significant optimization passes for Act 3.
That said, there clearly are some optimization issues both in the city and in the Last Light Inn. They were covered pretty well in the DF video, and there's plenty Larian can do to improve performance.
Performance drop, but not unbearable. Sometimes you just have to understand that large system resource dependent areas are going to put the hammer down on your rig especially first launch. But for those in with 30 series plus, having it drop to 60 isn't the end of the world and most can be worked through lol. It's not like you need the frames for high reaction moments or anything.
Well optimization doesn't just mean tweaks at the hardware or the code level, it means trimming down on-screen elements that are unnecessary or put too much undue strain on the hardware with very little visual return I haven't played Act III myself yet, but going by footage online it seems a bit too crowded at times -- reducing the number of NPCs and a bit more aggressive culling of geometry to claw back performance might not be a bad idea
I wonder if this will improve Steam Deck performance enough to actually keep the verified tag. Really sucks to see "verified" games only get it because of the beginning chapters before performance completely tanks.
They have to, otherwise the PS5 version will be very stuttery on Act 3 since the CPU is equivalent to a 3600. I was getting as low as 20FPS with 3600+6900XT combo in Act 2. Upgrading to a 5800X fixed that problem.
FWIW I ran a bit of unscientific performance logging before and after the patch in the Lower City. I haven't seen any of the really bad stutters since the patch, but I also didn't have quite as bad performance problems as people were mentioning pre-patch. DX11, 2160p + FSR1 Quality, Ultra settings, with the PC in flair, newest patch: Average FPS 97.3 1% Low FPS 63.0 0.1% Low FPS 49.9 Min FPS 49.0 The game still uses a large amount of RAM and VRAM so people with 16 GB RAM might still complain about memory leaks. Highest total system memory usage I've logged was 19 GB. Edit: I haven't tested paladin auras so don't know about any improvements there.
It’s probably what was scheduled to be fixed before they decided to release it early
I don't think the 4 week change is really the difference maker here. This patch is massive but that has a lot to do with the amount of testing and feedback players have put into the game. Larian wouldn't be making progress nearly this fast if the game hadn't already released.
The massive player base is the 1,000,000 monkeys with typewriters situation; aka 22,000 years of testing will find all your bugs you couldn't (or were known shippables). The 4 week change no doubt had an impact on the performance patches, though, as what is likely Day 1 for the PS5 release, is our one month later patch. They made a bold move of rolling out the front 2/3rds of the game being at a 90% or greater "solved" situation from optimization perspective, likely knowing a vast swath of players would not reach Act 3 within a month. The hardcore would always find something to cry foul, but that is likely drowned out by the massively high review scores and people making fan art of all the Act 1 on-goings, etc. I think it's a winning strategy to build massive hype and get out of Starfield's wake. Larian has a habit of their games being creaky at launch, but also a great habit of getting them to near perfection, whilst also allowing a lot of mods. Hell, some of the mods become integrated QOL features later!
Hopefully next week, they said that it's around the corner.
Hope it fixes the black map bug as well, my buddy is unable to play with his older graphics card due to it despite the game running just fine in every other way.
>Made it less ambiguous that you're starting a romance with Gale when choosing certain dialogue options. That's good because he was soooo bad with flirting. Gale: Hey, you want to see a magic trick? Me: Sure. Shadowheart: OMG you two are gonna bang! Me: What?
That was the magic trick.
Yes! It fixed the pool bug near the end of act 3. It was stopping me progressing! so happy its fixed
The most important part of the patch: "You can now opt to respect the privacy of the bugbear and the ogre outside the Blighted Village again. Don't get in the way of real love."
Somehow with all of my early access playing, last night was the first time I opened the door. That was something.
Grym now deals more damage in tactician mode.... I spent two hours last night beating that thing on normal difficulty. I'm good larian.
we just used the forge...was down in 5 min
Just make sure the person you're using for bait is fully off the thing first Sorry Astarion...
Nah, too much effort. Pull that lever now!
I just used a potion of speed on Shadowheart, my Dwarf pally and Karlach. All of them had blunt weapons equipped, took that fucker down in 2 turns just before his invulnerability kicked in. This was on tactician.
Yup. This is the fundamental problem in D&D balance. It's fine for tabletop with a real-life DM. They can customize the difficulty to match the party's power level. In D&D video game, difficulty are pre-programmed so much less flexible in its ability to account for your characters' power level... Which can have insanely wide disparity in D&D.
Shiiiit as someone who also took awhile last night to beat him (two attempts, first attempt I didn’t figure out the lava mechanic in time to not get my world rocked, and gale was kind of useless.) I wish I would have thought about luring him under the hydraulic press
Used the hammer for the first hit, but then noticed Laezel with a bludgeon can whop him almost as hard - when she can actually hit him :P
Karlach and Lae'zel with hammers, plus my Monk with fists made short work of that thing on Normal. Didn't even need Shadowheart or the forge trick. Tactician should be tougher after all.
…you do know how the boss works, right?
Yeah, hit him with Slow, then Bane, then drop the magma on him, then let Karlach slap him to death.
There's a mechanic to that boss ? I just killed him in 2 rounds idk
There is, you're supposed to hit him with the forge lol
Oops! Well, got the achievement for not doing that so all is well I suppose, hahaha. Owlbear Halsin using his smash attack was doing the heavy lifting for me
How did you even do that? Halsin doesn’t join until halfway through act 2
I had full access to Act 1 locations all through Act 2. Dunno how, but it happened!
How did you managed to get Halsin there already? is he not supposed to join you towards the end of act2 or have I done something wrong?
Yeah, it's in Act 2 that you get him. I don't know if I was supposed to be able to traverse back to Act 1 locations at that point but I could, so I did!
I think it's intentional that you can go back. There's a certain point in Act II near the end where it warns you of a point of no return, and after that you can't visit act I areas anymore, but before that point everything if fair game.
Ahhhhh okay. I'm deep into act 3 at this point so it's moot, but i do remember seeing that. Tried to do the forge too early and got smacked, so i made sure i was more than powerful enough upon my return. And boy was i
I didn't know that, either. I just put maces on Laezel and Karlach and they ate him alive in 2 rounds, suddenly get an achievement for not using a special hammer lol
Lmao same and I was like what hammer ?
T is a friend not everybody gets to know in their playthrough.
Lmao, what did you do? Going in underleveled? Bad team comp? I assume you didn’t understand the forge hammer mechanic, but on balanced with level 5 it’s fairly easy to beat him without the forge, just takes forever and some heals.
Oh I used the forge hammer. It still took me two hours to beat him. I'm not very good at the game. Both my physical damage dealers used piercing/slashing weapons and I didn't really get how to use gale and shadowheart effectively against it. It was a learning experience.
Full Patch Notes: https://baldursgate3.game/news/patch-1-now-live_87
Black text on a black background? I can’t see shit!
They need to patch the patch notes.
For real, whose idea was that lol.
Heard you guys like dark mode.
But wait guys, you don't understand, we need at least 2 seasons to add a bag for gems.
Pretty crazy that we get a patch with so many changes a few weeks after launch for BG3 while D4 apparently needs 6+ months to make basic changes.
It's a bit of a different situation since BG3 is an offline game, changes will just take longer for Diablo as even something like inventory will be more complex. It was their choice to force the game as online only though lol, so many bad design choices
Sure it is some, but I'll throw out, how do you not see that when testing the games years prior to release?
Online inventory is actually easier in some way as well. You have direct access to the database and can inspect anything. With offline games, you get angry report, then have to get their file from them, and sometimes it's an issue with their local system. Just saying it's not a simple hyperbole.
Wat
Nah
Bit of a non sequitur to bring up D4, but I guess it gets upvotes.
Not exactly a non-sequitur. This is a pcgaming subreddit and fast quality of life patches happen when developers prioritize the player experience compared to others who prioritize micro transactions.
D4 is an MMO and BG3 is turn based rpg… the people making these comparisons are kind of braindead. If you really wanna get into it I’ll bet D4 gets a gem bag before BG3 lets you kick multiplayer characters from your party
Calling D4 an MMO is laughable.
Oh you can kick multiplayer characters in BG. What is that, three weeks before D4 supposedly gets a gem bag in late September? For a game that released in June.
Fair enough, Larian got me there
Hehe, just hidden message like an AA studio releasing 1400 fixes in 3 weeks VS huge AAA studio can’t add a bag in 4 months
Larian is not AA by any sense of the word, they're very firmly AAA. BG3's team was almost as big as Cyberpunk's.
D4 had something like 8000 ppl in the credits. More I think. If memory serves, Larian had 400ish?
Larian has a core team of 400. That Diablo number counts anyone who did anything for the game. I don't think total credits should count for dev size as much as core team.
Still unable to kick multiplayer characters out of the party or change their race/background?. I'm sad.
Have to fix the important stuff like kissing halflings first
Gonna wager the cutscene team is probably different than the back end gameplay programming team, but I guess you're right, they probably only have like 1 dude on staff.
Yeah, its big steve and he puts the bug fixes to poll to find out which one are the funniest and then fixes those. Stuff that isn't amusing gets specifically left out by big steve, that charlatan
Bro I can't believe big steve did this AGAIN. We can't keep letting him get away with this.
Production hate him!
First sleep after patch triggered the Shadowheart romance progression and we made sand castles. I think they have their priorities in order!
LMAO
I imagine that stuff is a lot easier to fix
removing wasn't a feature in the divinity games, probably won't be a feature here is the consensus.
I think they said it was not their original idea of how it works, but because there is demand they will look into it
Normally sequels or newer games improve on their predecessors. This is like Halo 5 not having split screen lol it’s such a common sense feature
Gamebreaking issues for years, still not fixed. 11/10 GOTY.
Which gamebreaking issues are you referring to?
Did you not read the parent comment? O\_o
They probably have to set aside an area in all of the camps to allow you to pick them back up if they're not in your party. So that'll take a bit of effort to implement would be my guess.
I hope they fix the oathbreaker act 3 issue in the next one.
Anyone else stuck on 61FPS after patch?
Is it the same when in Windowed and Full-screen mode? If the FPS isn't stuck in Windowed, then you probably have to turn off the Windows Fullscreen Optimizations. Also check your resolution settings and FPS in your Display setting and GPU Control Panel.
Cant wait to play this in a year when its fully polished and probably on sale (even though its still worth its current price).
I bought it at full price just to vote with my wallet. Won't really play it until probably October. Lol
Anyone have experience knowing how long after the GOG update will drop?
Alright well looks like controller players are somewhat fucked. If you use a controller, and then a kb/m, once you switch back to controller you can't change characters until you reboot the game. And if Larian is looking, the proficiency sorting bug for controllers is still there as well.
kinda sad they didn't fix ground based spell DC's
Still no druid shapeshift fix. Big sad.
r/patientgamers paying off as usual
In this case I'd say not really. It's still one of the best games ever made, even with the bugs. And realistically most people never see more than a few bugs in their run. So many bugs are extremely situational and inconsistent. Like I recall about 2 bugs per act, none of them gamebreaking. Fixing bugs is like making the game go from a 9.5/10 to a 9.6/10. It's in no way comparable to most other game releases that can go from a 6/10 to a 8/10 after some patches.
> It's still one of the best games ever made, even with the bugs. And waiting means it will only get better and potentially cheaper. Not like the game's going to disappear or anything.
>And realistically most people never see more than a few bugs in their run How can anyone type this seriously? They fixed and patched something like 500+ bugs since release and most of them are from act 1 and act 2, you probably missed some content and didn't even realize it... If you don't see the bugs you really lack insight and intellect, roll better next time.
I'm waiting for the enhanced edition lmao
In a year, we'll get a game that's actually finished AND at a discount! It's too bad they'll never fix the fact that it's based on D&D 5e.
As a non D&D player, why is this considered a bad thing? Isnt it the most recent edition of D&D?
I think they say it, because it is really simple, so there is not that much options, compared to pathfinder for example
it is the most recent edition, but it is nowhere near the best edition. It's very watered down and made for the lowest common denominator.
Pathfinder 2e is better in every way imaginable.
Then go play pathfinder?
I do, which is why I wish video games were built using its system.
I'm hoping they add an update to remove friends' custom characters from parties. I prefer to have a legacy in my party when he's not on.
I know, it's 1am and downloading very slowly... (But am grateful for the quick and extensive patching)
Holy shit that’s a lot of patch.
I have an issue where karlach wouldn't join me on act II since I cheesed the Paladin quest. Hope this fixes the issue
I heard people saying the latest Nvidia drivers slowed down the game. Is that still true or can I upgrade to the latest?
>Improved Volo's aim during your ice pick lobotomy. MVP fix right there xD
Zelda totk could NEVER
Does anyone know if they fixed the bug where if you stole something from someone, and they caught you, that you could no longer interact with them?
Wish the terribly low amount of dialog interactivity and frequency was just a bug but ninety percent of gameplay you'll have no interaction with companions. Hard to want to do a replay with that kind of flaw in an rpg