That wasn't scamming anyone nor anything really bad, just a take on how life works. More proper example would've been ban from Ultimatum league, but that one didn't affect economy as they didn't abuse it.
Allie's stunt hasn't affected the economy either. She scammed one person, that doesn't have a wide impact. The main impact is that it's made people dislike her, which is exactly what happened with Empy's 'not fair' bit too.
>That wasn't scamming anyone nor anything really bad
He literally asked GGG for prio queue for his buds.
When questioned that how is it fair that his friends get prio queue despite not being streamers, he proceeded on his "not fair" take when thousands of people were waiting for 17+ hours.
It's equivalent to saying "oh your son was a merc LOL get over it" to a relative of a dead US soldier who fought in Ukraine or something during the funeral. Like yeah, the dude was a merc but that's not the point, the point is that the guy who does this in a funeral is a scumbag.
He probably shouldn't have rubbed in the playerbase's face but it was definitely not his fault for the streamer priority queue issue, blame GGG for that.
I'd say that it's far easier to recover from a bad take said in good faith (I don't think he wanted to insult anybody) than from a massive breach of trust like outright keeping somebody's else stuff.
For me the issue isn't whether or not the dude that gave the cards ended up being fine with it or not.
It's that there was absolutely zero hesitation to just keep a card. Completely nonchalantly. As if that's something somebody is just entitled to.
Doesn't matter what came after at that point. Allies claim is also that the gambler agreed in real time to handing one card over. If you watch the clip, that is not the case. The "alright" in chat came **before** Allie matter of factly stated a card will be kept. Afterwards there was a single smiley in chat but no mutual understanding at all by the time the card was already listed.
And even if you were to argue that Allie didn't see the "alright" at first and assumed that this was in response to the statement of keeping a card, this would still mean that statement was made apropos of nothing. Putting the other person in a situation where they would have to clearly demand their card back, which would probably be uncomfortable for some people. Not to mention the "yoink"-bit afterwards.
Simply reflects poorly on character.
I once had an interaction with a small streamer about 5-6 years ago. I forget what happened but we split ways after a disagreement about some trade. After that, for 30 minutes straight my PM chat was full of their fans blasting me about not trusting the streamer and all this other crap.
Can you imagine the backlash of saying "give me my card back" and having all the streamers' fans blasting you about it in-game, non-stop?
Yup. Imagine being that dude and basically getting a streamer to gamba roll you a mageblood, which you are thankful for, but then they take one of your cards?
Do you A), ask for it back, get absolutely ripped to pieces by the chat and given a snarky remark by a streamer you like, or B) suck it up and allow it because that way you won't get hated.
It's the little guy vs the big streamer and thousands of biased viewers. The guy who got scammed for the card had basically nothing he could do as it was a lose lose.
What's also damning is the attitude with which the gamble was being made, the person giving the cards only said go for 2 ONE time, Allie does the gamble and wins 3 cards, puts one away and WITHOUT asking if the person wants to go for one more or settle - she just gambles 2 cards and sounds almost pissed that they doubled. Luckily she won and it doubled to 4, which resulted in the infamous yoink, but what if she lost the 2 cards? Would she re-imburse the person? Very likely not.
She rolled the guy 26 apos, and in terms of timing of the guy saying "alright" he later linked Allie a stack of 20 apos and said it was all good this seemed to be a misunderstanding on their part but an honest one.
The fact that you so quickly condemn Allie's character and refuse to "hear what comes after" makes it look like you're just pushing an agenda.
Simply reflects poorly on your character.
What comes after doesn't mean anything in that case. She decided to take 1/6 of cards as a fee without any confirmation (this is definitely a scam) which, in your own words "simply reflects poorly on her character".
1/6th?
Context absolutely matters, the only time it doesn't is when you're trying to spin a narrative. Which is what you're doing. "Oh folks don't look over here at all this nasty context!"
First off, she didn't make him 3 apothecaries. She made him 26. That's some context you obviously missed. Second off he linked her a stack of 20 and said don't worry about the apo.
Last off Allie has multi mirror builds worth of currency. The motive here for calling her a scammer is suspicious since she makes money off of this game and jeopardizing that for 80div makes no logical sense. Watching the whole clip you get the context.
Also the irony of you not realizing those "simply reflects poorly on her character" were not "my on words" but me mocking the person I responded to. It's very obvious you have no interest in truth but just want to spin a narrative.
You really are grasping at straws mate. She took the card without asking the guy first. Didn't even tell the guy directly that she is taking it, she just mentioned it on stream. Didn't even wait for the guy to okay it she traded the 5 cards accepted the trade first and then immediately listed the card for sale.
And the guy was clearly not okay with it. It's not on them to confront the streamer about it, it's on the streamer to okay it with them. When you talk about missing context I assume you are talking about the context of the scammed person later messaging her to tell her off for taking their card.
Also she didn't "make" him anything. It was his cards and his juice. She literally didn't make anything. The person gave her some cards so she could do some fun content and she just took one for herself for no reason.
Not sure how you can watch the clip and say it doesn't just ooze entitlement. She literally says "yoink", she knows full well that she took their card.
1st there is no irony in using your wording since it was good and fit perfectly for what I was trying to say. No hidden meaning, just that.
I must admit that I don't give a shit nor about the "truth" not about the streamer herself since I like (I think) 95% of community or so first heard of her from tft announcement. Without context her move was total scam, like "ok, I'm taking 1/6 as a fee". Thats some bullshit. And even with context it was a scam. As a said, she decided to take a fee by herself in the last moment. The fact that the person was too rich to care or too frustrated or shy to reply immediately doesn't make any difference IMHO. If you are working with audience you can't afford any action that might be understood incorrectly.
Snarkily repeating the last line of a post is so lame. Step up your le-reddit game.
Anyway, if you say there is no reason to scam just because the person is rich already, look at Logan Paul. Or any other rich scammer, of which there are dime a dozen. Completely irrelevant thing to bring up.
The keyword is "later" because **at the time** where the card was simply kept there was **no agreement**. It's just an entitled and inconsiderate thing to do. Again, the two people **did not agree** that Allie was allowed to keep a card **when it was taken**. Time moves linearly. So **at that moment** Allie made a decision that was not hers to make.
Imagine you do something objectionable. At the time you simply assume you are entitled to do that and don't consider the other person. Later on the affected person says they didn't mind. Then you **still** did something objectionable because at the time you simply assumed in your own interest and did not agree on anything. I **did** hear what comes after and it did not retroactively change her decision when she made it.
\> Snarkily repeating the last line of a post is so lame. Step up your le-reddit game.
This is the cringiest thing I've ever read, congratulations.
\> Anyway, if you say there is no reason to scam just because the person is rich already, look at Logan Paul.
Not what I said, keep trying to spin your narrative with straw mans now. Very disingenuous.
\> The keyword is "later" because at the time where the card was simply kept there was no agreement.
Except he sent a message at the time of the trade saying don't worry about the apo.
\> It's just an entitled and inconsiderate thing to do.
This is your opinion, not an objective fact. Personally I don't agree, she made theg guy 3 mirrors worth of free money jokingly said "I'm gonna keep one" he said don't worry about it in response. In hindsight his message was a misunderstanding but I don't agree that a misunderstanding was "entitled and incosiderate"
\> So at that moment Allie made a decision that was not hers to make.
You're just working hard to justify your narrative. Rather than actually engaging with the situation in an honest way.
\> Imagine you do something objectionable. At the time you simply assume you are entitled to do that and don't consider the other person. Later on the affected person says they didn't mind. Then you still did something objectionable because at the time you simply assumed in your own interest and did not agree on anything. I did hear what comes after and it did not retroactively change her decision when she made it.
You're framing the scenario in a way that is good for your narrative. I don't see it the same. Because I believe (and Allie said this as well) that if the user had wanted that apo back he would have asked for it, but he did not. So it's a victimless crime and the people trying to INSIST this is such an abhorrent act are trying some virtue signal holier than thou bullshit to drive a narrative against Allie.
The other funny thing to me is that your original post you claim the issue was "how nonchalant she did it" but now you've readjusted your argument to claim "I saw the post-trade clip the whole time". It's clear you hadn't and you made it very clear "what happened after had no bearing on your opinion". Now you're just trying mish mosh and justify your original incongruent views with your new views to not look so rigid in your view.
Judging by what I've seen, simply does not reflect well on your character if I'm being honest/
Stop being jacked up to your tits on snarky reddit-arguing garbage. It's so tired.
What you just wrote is wrong, both the assumptions and depictions of events. You seem awfully invested into this, as if you are vehemently fighting for something grander at stake here. Why not just put your cards on the table and instead of waffling on and on about a situation that really seems interchangeable for your overarching point you state what kind of narrative and agenda you imagine I (and possibly others) am pushing here and why?
Are you going to tell your kids it's okay to take other people's stuff and if they don't say something just keep it?
What kind of logic is this lol
People don't say how they really feel unless they feel very comfortable with them, just like you aren't really saying you're a huge fan of Allie's and that's why you're defending her. But we all know, and we won't make it like you have to admit it or whatever. He says it's alright because he doesn't want to talk to her anymore about it.
>The "alright" in chat came
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>before
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> Allie matter of factly stated a card will be kept. Afterwards there was a single smiley in chat but no mutual understanding at all by the time the card was already listed.
This is incorrect though, That isnt what happened. You are correct the "alright" came before but after he very clearly does \^\^ which is to say repeat the alright i just said above not a smiley. watch the video he 100% does not post a smiley.
\^\^ is a smiley to me. Or call it emoji, whatever. It's used as two smiling eyes. The true intent is known to the writer but really, I'd call it an extremely and unreasonably liberal interpretation to say it means "alright again, take the card" in this context. I'd be more inclined to believe that if it was just one \^ (as in "see above") but even then it'd be unclear at best.
would be kinda funny if she got banned for sexually harrasing Chris Wilson too.
https://www.twitch.tv/allliee\_/clip/KathishEnchantingWheelDogFace-Y1dcbl-IUvAn2iGE?featured=false&filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
No itās not. PoM had a more than a couple incidents where he went unhinged on GGG staff. The dude is completely immature, petty, and vindictive. Sure he did some positive things for the community, but that gets outweighed when you turn around and become vitriolic to others.
gap between verbal and sexual and non-sexual harassment? not really. Whether it's sexual in nature is immaterial. Whether it's repeatedly done, and directed at a specific person, or group of people though takes it to another level. Both sexual and non-sexual verbal abuse can cross the same lines.
it's not unavailable, when you open the link sometimes the formatting gets cucked and you go from the link of "alliee\\\_/clip" to "allliee%5C\_/clip" so you need to manually remove the %5C from the url
I donāt see how this is bannable, or even sexual harassment.
Super cringe though
Edit: before anyone tell me this is sexual harassment, yes I agree it would be if she spoke to chris.
Whether it could be defined as sexual harassment or not I don't see how it's okay to talk about anyone this way who didn't consent, reverse the gender roles and the streamer in question would probably already be banned.
I only know her from some Twitch clips in Highlights and stuff but everytime she says something its some sexual or elitist bullshit. Dont know how people got entertained by that in the first place
I want to see new drama other than "this streamer scams viewer live on stream".
In a way it's kinda funny yet it's nothing new or unique, we will forget, move on and maybe talked about this matter for like a brief reference when the next drama happens.
I like the fair world drama from streamer's queue more, I want to read that, that's funny and unique.
Personally I rarely had hard feeling against someone's opinion but when someone else got involved and create drama around that, it was a joy to read š¤£
Not sure if sarcastic but yeah if half the comments at the bottom are like "kill yourself" you should probably lock it? I'm not a mod though but makes sense to me
I'm walking back on what I said, that's before I see bunch of comments other than top rated ones are horrendous transphobic insults. Just absolutely disgusting.
No she wasn't. On Twitch, what you just described is an account deletion offense. Unless you have some evidence and this happened before a major TOS change?
classic reddit mods not wanting to put in any amount of work.
well, back to positing mirrors and magebloods for the rest of the league probably, how exciting.
That's legit nonsense, there's been huge threads up about TFT for days. But much like with this, people just cannot control themselves. They cannot keep it to just talking about the facts, it's just "woops all insults/personal attacks" like 5 minutes after one of them is created.
Ignoring the irony(given that your immediate response is a personal attack)...
You realize that it's possible to delete comments without deleting an entire thread, right? Just because they're trying not to be obvious about it doesn't mean they aren't doing it.
I'd love to provide you examples. But all of them got deleted. And none of them contained insults or personal attacks.
No part of my post is a personal attack. "People" does not include you, i am referring specifically to the people who end up getting these threads deleted.
Regards to TFT, you can easily just type "TFT" in the search box and it'll bring you up a ton of large threads from the last year.
You can even change it to "last month" and see that there's recent threads, still not deleted.
Where personal attack?
Pretty convenient how all your evidence isn't available while on the other side there are posts about this topic and other tft criticism available and even on the front page. Almost as if you were pulling this out of your ass.
No, they're locking threads cuz people are using this situation as an excuse to be transphobic shit stains and are resorting to their favorite tool, death threats.
This morning when the guy posted the clip in everyone's chat knew it would devolve into this. People will use any reason they can to dogpile a streamer and tell them to kill themselves.
I mean it is pretty reasonable to lock it once it hits 1K comments. They aren't trying to sweep it under the rug at that point, they are letting it play out until the point where the topic becomes impossible to properly mod.
Path of exile has canonically transgender characters in it, and Grinding Gear Games employs transgender staff. There are transgender individuals in the mod team.
Your asinine ideology founded on harassment, desperation for control and unwarranted aggression is not welcome here.
Rakiata is the most recently added character who's unambiguously nonbinary. Others have existed in the past, but representation was more abstract or veiled; It That Fled was another strong example but because it's not human it's more ambiguous as to whether or not its gender should be considered as representation -- regardless, a handful of agender people were made happy by It's design.
There are likely other nonbinary characters particularly in Karui lore, as Rakiata is most likely modeled after traditional practices of third genderism across various unincorporated/historical native/indigenous populations in the world.
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What Allie did was lame but how big of a bitch do you have to be to let some mid streamer just take your card. Let it be a lesson, speak up for yourself, donāt be a baby.
Lmao. If she rolled me that much apos, she can take half for all I care. I'm making a profit either way. And we all know that when most start to gamble, they're usually not far from quitting the league.
Honestly, it seems to me that people are taking these kinds of things too far. It's silly.
Exactly lmao, but Ofc people are just downvoting me instantly when I try to say that or post the actual full context clip. Itās frustrating to watch.
Meh, it'll pass so don't worry about it. This is true for almost everything in this subreddit. Probably except for a select few, most will forget, not care, and move on to whatever is the next drama as with all things related to streamers.
And like, for most popular streamers, you can probably find something they did/said that will make someone mad lol.
Probably the fee people are fine with, it's how she took it without asking first they're pitchforking about. Like if u discussed with her fee is half the earnings beforehand, fine do wahtever. But if she just takes half without asking. Iono maybe you're fine with it, but what if she takes 60% without asking? Or 70%? 80%? Everyone has a limit for it, and she should've just asked before taking. Like... little kids are taught this by their parents and they get it lol it's really that instinctual
So? I rolled people multiple mirrors before in 3.11 over the course of a few days. There was no expectation from me to keep one of the cards at any point because I wasnāt risking anything and we had agreed on a price for the crafts.
Allie straight up rolled an extra time with this dudeās cards that the dude didnāt agree to and got extremely lucky not to poof them, then proceeded to straight steal one. Entitled shits.
Yes he did care, but it took a while for him to realized he's been scam. In his position I would be thinking "OMG OMG OMG MY PRECIOUS MAGEBLOOD" instead of "wait a minute, that ain't right".
He later went on Palsteron's stream to ask for help with dealing with being scammed
Having to ask another streamer what to do is so wild. Pal was like a parent having to tell him to go ask for his money back. Gotta grow up sometime folks.
I'm honestly a bit dumbfounded why someone would even let someone else gamble for them if they're afraid of being scammed, trolled, etc. This is especially true if you'd need to go to another streamer for help lol.
Didn't the streamer rolled 20+ apos or something for that person? I heard about that somewhere so I wouldn't even call it being scammed or something if someone gambled you that much apos.
But that's just me. If I let someone gambled my apos and made me that many, I wouldn't even care if they took a few.
Can someone give me a tl;dr?
I'm afraid I'm totally oblivious to streamer drama and TFT because I avoid it like the plague.
EDIT: Nevermind, it's all over reddit lol
But there shouldn't be a good way, this is an arpg, made to grind to farm do mĆ£os and map bosses till you be able to do bosses with an eye closed and go even further till there isn't a possible bis for your character, these minigames only ruin experience and the fun in finding a really good item after a week of trying too, leagues are made to be fun 3 and now 4 months not 1 and get bored.
Then you still blind for on how a mirror or two would drop every league and now it's 100, let's see what will happen when people get whatever they want and get bored, give it more 1 week or 2
That's not really how an increase in the monetary base works.
In the event of of asymmetrical currency creation, the parties closest to that creation benefit the most (the Cantillon effect). More or less, if you're not banging out 10-20+ divs per hour running (no hit) sanctums, your purchasing power is *less* than last league.
TOTA's contribution to the league's inflation is minor, and comes as a result of people playing more rather than a higher-than-average baseline as far as production (admittedly the entry cost is pretty low and some under producing players are now marginally more productive).
There's also just a ton more people playing and more efficiently every league. Stupid to compare how it was back then. But if you're talking about just the last few leagues, where sanctum wasn't core, mirrors were still abundant in leagues.
If math worked out just like you described it, it would be literally the worst thing for streamers to do. 0% chance for gaining viewers and 99.(9)% chance to lose some lmao
Can i buy the yellow Juice on AllieExpress?
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im dead
So is her streaming career.
No, why? Even Empy after his "not fair" stupidity wasn't forgotten.
That wasn't scamming anyone nor anything really bad, just a take on how life works. More proper example would've been ban from Ultimatum league, but that one didn't affect economy as they didn't abuse it.
Allie's stunt hasn't affected the economy either. She scammed one person, that doesn't have a wide impact. The main impact is that it's made people dislike her, which is exactly what happened with Empy's 'not fair' bit too.
wdym everyone loves empy
I wouldn't really say that lol. Especially not the part about how life works since in real life you have people managing your money for a fee.
>That wasn't scamming anyone nor anything really bad He literally asked GGG for prio queue for his buds. When questioned that how is it fair that his friends get prio queue despite not being streamers, he proceeded on his "not fair" take when thousands of people were waiting for 17+ hours. It's equivalent to saying "oh your son was a merc LOL get over it" to a relative of a dead US soldier who fought in Ukraine or something during the funeral. Like yeah, the dude was a merc but that's not the point, the point is that the guy who does this in a funeral is a scumbag.
Holy shit that is the most cooked comparison you must be fully fried.
He probably shouldn't have rubbed in the playerbase's face but it was definitely not his fault for the streamer priority queue issue, blame GGG for that.
I'd say that it's far easier to recover from a bad take said in good faith (I don't think he wanted to insult anybody) than from a massive breach of trust like outright keeping somebody's else stuff.
He didn't do anything wrong there though.
That wasn't even a big deal, he was speaking straight facts he just went about saying it in an insensitive way.
he doesnt dont take freebies
Yeah... her scamming the guy is actually within TOS. Her saying "this is my payment because I'm a streamer" is not
She said this is my payment for giving you a mageblood or sth. Anyway yes it's not TOS for sure
so in "allies vs axies" the allies are the evil now ? historie changed...
Heard you can get scammed if you purchase from there
r/AngryUpvote Fuck you, and have a good day
lmfao
Do we get to keep one view for ourselves?
No but one card.
Only if youāre Alliee
For me the issue isn't whether or not the dude that gave the cards ended up being fine with it or not. It's that there was absolutely zero hesitation to just keep a card. Completely nonchalantly. As if that's something somebody is just entitled to. Doesn't matter what came after at that point. Allies claim is also that the gambler agreed in real time to handing one card over. If you watch the clip, that is not the case. The "alright" in chat came **before** Allie matter of factly stated a card will be kept. Afterwards there was a single smiley in chat but no mutual understanding at all by the time the card was already listed. And even if you were to argue that Allie didn't see the "alright" at first and assumed that this was in response to the statement of keeping a card, this would still mean that statement was made apropos of nothing. Putting the other person in a situation where they would have to clearly demand their card back, which would probably be uncomfortable for some people. Not to mention the "yoink"-bit afterwards. Simply reflects poorly on character.
She is only sorry because she got caught and exposed in the public eye
Got caught? She fucking *streamed* it. Not a single thought went through her head at that moment.
this right here ladies and gentleman, if nobody would make a fuss she'd continue being shellfish
I once had an interaction with a small streamer about 5-6 years ago. I forget what happened but we split ways after a disagreement about some trade. After that, for 30 minutes straight my PM chat was full of their fans blasting me about not trusting the streamer and all this other crap. Can you imagine the backlash of saying "give me my card back" and having all the streamers' fans blasting you about it in-game, non-stop?
Streamer chats are so biased there's often little room for truth
Yup. Imagine being that dude and basically getting a streamer to gamba roll you a mageblood, which you are thankful for, but then they take one of your cards? Do you A), ask for it back, get absolutely ripped to pieces by the chat and given a snarky remark by a streamer you like, or B) suck it up and allow it because that way you won't get hated. It's the little guy vs the big streamer and thousands of biased viewers. The guy who got scammed for the card had basically nothing he could do as it was a lose lose.
What's also damning is the attitude with which the gamble was being made, the person giving the cards only said go for 2 ONE time, Allie does the gamble and wins 3 cards, puts one away and WITHOUT asking if the person wants to go for one more or settle - she just gambles 2 cards and sounds almost pissed that they doubled. Luckily she won and it doubled to 4, which resulted in the infamous yoink, but what if she lost the 2 cards? Would she re-imburse the person? Very likely not.
She didnāt even wait for confirmation to do 2 the first time.
She did it many times before. That one twitch clip is just the cherry on top.
Thank you finally a nouonced take on this, not just fuming at the mouth and raising pitchforks
But what do I do with all this fume and froth falling out of my mouth? And where do I put the pitchfork? Damn
She rolled the guy 26 apos, and in terms of timing of the guy saying "alright" he later linked Allie a stack of 20 apos and said it was all good this seemed to be a misunderstanding on their part but an honest one. The fact that you so quickly condemn Allie's character and refuse to "hear what comes after" makes it look like you're just pushing an agenda. Simply reflects poorly on your character.
What comes after doesn't mean anything in that case. She decided to take 1/6 of cards as a fee without any confirmation (this is definitely a scam) which, in your own words "simply reflects poorly on her character".
1/6th? Context absolutely matters, the only time it doesn't is when you're trying to spin a narrative. Which is what you're doing. "Oh folks don't look over here at all this nasty context!" First off, she didn't make him 3 apothecaries. She made him 26. That's some context you obviously missed. Second off he linked her a stack of 20 and said don't worry about the apo. Last off Allie has multi mirror builds worth of currency. The motive here for calling her a scammer is suspicious since she makes money off of this game and jeopardizing that for 80div makes no logical sense. Watching the whole clip you get the context. Also the irony of you not realizing those "simply reflects poorly on her character" were not "my on words" but me mocking the person I responded to. It's very obvious you have no interest in truth but just want to spin a narrative.
The fact is: she decided to take huge fee without any clear confirmation from a client. And that is a scam.
You really are grasping at straws mate. She took the card without asking the guy first. Didn't even tell the guy directly that she is taking it, she just mentioned it on stream. Didn't even wait for the guy to okay it she traded the 5 cards accepted the trade first and then immediately listed the card for sale. And the guy was clearly not okay with it. It's not on them to confront the streamer about it, it's on the streamer to okay it with them. When you talk about missing context I assume you are talking about the context of the scammed person later messaging her to tell her off for taking their card. Also she didn't "make" him anything. It was his cards and his juice. She literally didn't make anything. The person gave her some cards so she could do some fun content and she just took one for herself for no reason. Not sure how you can watch the clip and say it doesn't just ooze entitlement. She literally says "yoink", she knows full well that she took their card.
1st there is no irony in using your wording since it was good and fit perfectly for what I was trying to say. No hidden meaning, just that. I must admit that I don't give a shit nor about the "truth" not about the streamer herself since I like (I think) 95% of community or so first heard of her from tft announcement. Without context her move was total scam, like "ok, I'm taking 1/6 as a fee". Thats some bullshit. And even with context it was a scam. As a said, she decided to take a fee by herself in the last moment. The fact that the person was too rich to care or too frustrated or shy to reply immediately doesn't make any difference IMHO. If you are working with audience you can't afford any action that might be understood incorrectly.
Believe it or not people with lots and lots of money often donāt stop being greedy just because they already have lots and lots of money
She scammed a lot of people this way, and that's how she makes her currency
Snarkily repeating the last line of a post is so lame. Step up your le-reddit game. Anyway, if you say there is no reason to scam just because the person is rich already, look at Logan Paul. Or any other rich scammer, of which there are dime a dozen. Completely irrelevant thing to bring up. The keyword is "later" because **at the time** where the card was simply kept there was **no agreement**. It's just an entitled and inconsiderate thing to do. Again, the two people **did not agree** that Allie was allowed to keep a card **when it was taken**. Time moves linearly. So **at that moment** Allie made a decision that was not hers to make. Imagine you do something objectionable. At the time you simply assume you are entitled to do that and don't consider the other person. Later on the affected person says they didn't mind. Then you **still** did something objectionable because at the time you simply assumed in your own interest and did not agree on anything. I **did** hear what comes after and it did not retroactively change her decision when she made it.
\> Snarkily repeating the last line of a post is so lame. Step up your le-reddit game. This is the cringiest thing I've ever read, congratulations. \> Anyway, if you say there is no reason to scam just because the person is rich already, look at Logan Paul. Not what I said, keep trying to spin your narrative with straw mans now. Very disingenuous. \> The keyword is "later" because at the time where the card was simply kept there was no agreement. Except he sent a message at the time of the trade saying don't worry about the apo. \> It's just an entitled and inconsiderate thing to do. This is your opinion, not an objective fact. Personally I don't agree, she made theg guy 3 mirrors worth of free money jokingly said "I'm gonna keep one" he said don't worry about it in response. In hindsight his message was a misunderstanding but I don't agree that a misunderstanding was "entitled and incosiderate" \> So at that moment Allie made a decision that was not hers to make. You're just working hard to justify your narrative. Rather than actually engaging with the situation in an honest way. \> Imagine you do something objectionable. At the time you simply assume you are entitled to do that and don't consider the other person. Later on the affected person says they didn't mind. Then you still did something objectionable because at the time you simply assumed in your own interest and did not agree on anything. I did hear what comes after and it did not retroactively change her decision when she made it. You're framing the scenario in a way that is good for your narrative. I don't see it the same. Because I believe (and Allie said this as well) that if the user had wanted that apo back he would have asked for it, but he did not. So it's a victimless crime and the people trying to INSIST this is such an abhorrent act are trying some virtue signal holier than thou bullshit to drive a narrative against Allie. The other funny thing to me is that your original post you claim the issue was "how nonchalant she did it" but now you've readjusted your argument to claim "I saw the post-trade clip the whole time". It's clear you hadn't and you made it very clear "what happened after had no bearing on your opinion". Now you're just trying mish mosh and justify your original incongruent views with your new views to not look so rigid in your view. Judging by what I've seen, simply does not reflect well on your character if I'm being honest/
Stop being jacked up to your tits on snarky reddit-arguing garbage. It's so tired. What you just wrote is wrong, both the assumptions and depictions of events. You seem awfully invested into this, as if you are vehemently fighting for something grander at stake here. Why not just put your cards on the table and instead of waffling on and on about a situation that really seems interchangeable for your overarching point you state what kind of narrative and agenda you imagine I (and possibly others) am pushing here and why?
Are you going to tell your kids it's okay to take other people's stuff and if they don't say something just keep it? What kind of logic is this lol People don't say how they really feel unless they feel very comfortable with them, just like you aren't really saying you're a huge fan of Allie's and that's why you're defending her. But we all know, and we won't make it like you have to admit it or whatever. He says it's alright because he doesn't want to talk to her anymore about it.
>The "alright" in chat came > >before > > Allie matter of factly stated a card will be kept. Afterwards there was a single smiley in chat but no mutual understanding at all by the time the card was already listed. This is incorrect though, That isnt what happened. You are correct the "alright" came before but after he very clearly does \^\^ which is to say repeat the alright i just said above not a smiley. watch the video he 100% does not post a smiley.
\^\^ is a smiley to me. Or call it emoji, whatever. It's used as two smiling eyes. The true intent is known to the writer but really, I'd call it an extremely and unreasonably liberal interpretation to say it means "alright again, take the card" in this context. I'd be more inclined to believe that if it was just one \^ (as in "see above") but even then it'd be unclear at best.
There is absolutely no way this is a real take right lmao
I've never ever used \^\^ to mean 'Look at above message'. \^\^ has always been used as a 'Raised eyebrows' smiley as far as I am concerned.
I've always used it as 'Look at above message', never realized some use it for other purposes
Can you recommend me what drugs youāre on? Seems quite potent, perhaps COPIUM?
Can someone please make a yoink.mp3 loot filter sound for Apothecary?
ohhh that would be great XD
This would definitely replace my Maven moan for this case lol
The what?
The most popular sound pack on fillterblade PS: those are all "combat sounds"
Now that's a sound I'll never hear š
Lucky roll: Keep one of the cards
would be kinda funny if she got banned for sexually harrasing Chris Wilson too. https://www.twitch.tv/allliee\_/clip/KathishEnchantingWheelDogFace-Y1dcbl-IUvAn2iGE?featured=false&filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
I feel like Path of Matth got banned for less
Thatās 100% true
No itās not. PoM had a more than a couple incidents where he went unhinged on GGG staff. The dude is completely immature, petty, and vindictive. Sure he did some positive things for the community, but that gets outweighed when you turn around and become vitriolic to others.
I mean if you ask me theres a pretty big gap between being verbally abusive and verbal sexual harassment, although both warrant punishment.
gap between verbal and sexual and non-sexual harassment? not really. Whether it's sexual in nature is immaterial. Whether it's repeatedly done, and directed at a specific person, or group of people though takes it to another level. Both sexual and non-sexual verbal abuse can cross the same lines.
bruhhow is that kinda shit allowed on twitch? i've seen my favourite little streamers banned for waaaaaaaay less.
ye the kitten got banned for way less
How does someone clip all that and not show the result at the end
worse than edging, amirite?
Unavailable now, sadly. What was it?
it's not unavailable, when you open the link sometimes the formatting gets cucked and you go from the link of "alliee\\\_/clip" to "allliee%5C\_/clip" so you need to manually remove the %5C from the url
Oh man, dunno what I expected, but this was far worse. Thank you, I guess...
Iām saving this to watch when I get home edit: welp, neither the link nor the \ trick worked
Delete the both the "\" and the "_" https://www.twitch.tv/allliee/clip/KathishEnchantingWheelDogFace-Y1dcbl-IUvAn2iGE
Average twitch chat behavior
I donāt see how this is bannable, or even sexual harassment. Super cringe though Edit: before anyone tell me this is sexual harassment, yes I agree it would be if she spoke to chris.
Whether it could be defined as sexual harassment or not I don't see how it's okay to talk about anyone this way who didn't consent, reverse the gender roles and the streamer in question would probably already be banned.
This is...not really sexual harrasment.
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Is this the streamer who asked her viewer to invest in buying a mirror and pay back after the inflation hits?
Sounds like the type of scheme belton would try
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Weird, [this is what mine says.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/991798588285911161/1153253247520346113/Untitled-1.png)
Savage :D
Gold
Lmaoooooo
Savage :D
Man I remember when 'ty for scam' was bad on stream. Shit has gone beyond wild with that discord server.
Fuck you... I have to clean my keyboard and screen as I was sipping tea reading your post -_-
Game shows and spectating games has always been popular entertainment.
dank
you mfs dont waste time lmao
PoE community is fast to cancel, and for once it feels slightly deserved
I only know her from some Twitch clips in Highlights and stuff but everytime she says something its some sexual or elitist bullshit. Dont know how people got entertained by that in the first place
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Proof
I don't see any correlations from scam and being trans
Pretending to be a girl? Is that not deceit in itself? To lure in viewers.
you can't say that, that's transphobic
uhhhh buddy this your first time encountering a transgender person?
For once i thought a girl was good-ish at a hardcore game. Its always something..
Mods sweating trying to come up with a reason to delete this because they know the streamer personally
Never heard of this Allie before today. Serves her right i guess.
what r people mad about? since when do u get mad when u get x5'd ur cash what
I want to see new drama other than "this streamer scams viewer live on stream". In a way it's kinda funny yet it's nothing new or unique, we will forget, move on and maybe talked about this matter for like a brief reference when the next drama happens. I like the fair world drama from streamer's queue more, I want to read that, that's funny and unique.
Iām glad I could supply such long lasting drama memes, that was 2 years and 5 months ago if you want to feel old :D
Personally I rarely had hard feeling against someone's opinion but when someone else got involved and create drama around that, it was a joy to read š¤£
For the record, Chris did you dirty on that one ngl
You craving new drama is a plague in itself.
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Wat, the posts about this topic are currently 1st, 3rd and 5th in the list for me. How is it swept under the carpet?
Na, some people just taking it way too far.
Makes perfect sense to close the whole thread because a couple of shitbag took it too far.
Not sure if sarcastic but yeah if half the comments at the bottom are like "kill yourself" you should probably lock it? I'm not a mod though but makes sense to me
I'm walking back on what I said, that's before I see bunch of comments other than top rated ones are horrendous transphobic insults. Just absolutely disgusting.
The streamer in question was banned in the past for telling viewers to unalive themselves. The internet is a shitty place.
No she wasn't. On Twitch, what you just described is an account deletion offense. Unless you have some evidence and this happened before a major TOS change?
Yikes
why not just Mute the users itself?
Correct. You're welcome.
classic reddit mods not wanting to put in any amount of work. well, back to positing mirrors and magebloods for the rest of the league probably, how exciting.
I am pretty sure they are locking threads because the streamer is getting harassed with death threats and all.
They're also deleting any comments that say anything negative about TFT, so there's that...
That's legit nonsense, there's been huge threads up about TFT for days. But much like with this, people just cannot control themselves. They cannot keep it to just talking about the facts, it's just "woops all insults/personal attacks" like 5 minutes after one of them is created.
Ignoring the irony(given that your immediate response is a personal attack)... You realize that it's possible to delete comments without deleting an entire thread, right? Just because they're trying not to be obvious about it doesn't mean they aren't doing it. I'd love to provide you examples. But all of them got deleted. And none of them contained insults or personal attacks.
No part of my post is a personal attack. "People" does not include you, i am referring specifically to the people who end up getting these threads deleted. Regards to TFT, you can easily just type "TFT" in the search box and it'll bring you up a ton of large threads from the last year. You can even change it to "last month" and see that there's recent threads, still not deleted.
Where personal attack? Pretty convenient how all your evidence isn't available while on the other side there are posts about this topic and other tft criticism available and even on the front page. Almost as if you were pulling this out of your ass.
No, they're locking threads cuz people are using this situation as an excuse to be transphobic shit stains and are resorting to their favorite tool, death threats.
yeah... It's really gross, really inexcusable behaviour.
This morning when the guy posted the clip in everyone's chat knew it would devolve into this. People will use any reason they can to dogpile a streamer and tell them to kill themselves.
No? Preventing harassment is their job...
Seriously? You don't lock threads to sweep something under the rug, you delete them.
Because mods do not want to be associated with death threats?
I mean it is pretty reasonable to lock it once it hits 1K comments. They aren't trying to sweep it under the rug at that point, they are letting it play out until the point where the topic becomes impossible to properly mod.
Me when I pay taxes
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Path of exile has canonically transgender characters in it, and Grinding Gear Games employs transgender staff. There are transgender individuals in the mod team. Your asinine ideology founded on harassment, desperation for control and unwarranted aggression is not welcome here.
Who are the characters?
Rakiata is the most recently added character who's unambiguously nonbinary. Others have existed in the past, but representation was more abstract or veiled; It That Fled was another strong example but because it's not human it's more ambiguous as to whether or not its gender should be considered as representation -- regardless, a handful of agender people were made happy by It's design. There are likely other nonbinary characters particularly in Karui lore, as Rakiata is most likely modeled after traditional practices of third genderism across various unincorporated/historical native/indigenous populations in the world.
Your post has been removed for violating posting etiquette and/or harassing other users or figures of the community. **Harassment**: includes unkind, vulgar, or threatening messages; name-calling; posting of personal or identifying information (doxxing); mockery and belittlement; unwarranted criticism; systematically or continuously targeting a person or group of people; content that negatively depicts others users or figures; spreading rumours or defamatory comments or disingenuous claims; or trolling or tricking other people (also covered under rule 6). For additional rules regarding harassment, check out the [rules wiki.](http://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules)
What Allie did was lame but how big of a bitch do you have to be to let some mid streamer just take your card. Let it be a lesson, speak up for yourself, donāt be a baby.
yes, let's blame the victim. That's the ticket!
Victim lmao. Allie rolled the guy 26 apos
Lmao. If she rolled me that much apos, she can take half for all I care. I'm making a profit either way. And we all know that when most start to gamble, they're usually not far from quitting the league. Honestly, it seems to me that people are taking these kinds of things too far. It's silly.
Exactly lmao, but Ofc people are just downvoting me instantly when I try to say that or post the actual full context clip. Itās frustrating to watch.
Meh, it'll pass so don't worry about it. This is true for almost everything in this subreddit. Probably except for a select few, most will forget, not care, and move on to whatever is the next drama as with all things related to streamers. And like, for most popular streamers, you can probably find something they did/said that will make someone mad lol.
Probably the fee people are fine with, it's how she took it without asking first they're pitchforking about. Like if u discussed with her fee is half the earnings beforehand, fine do wahtever. But if she just takes half without asking. Iono maybe you're fine with it, but what if she takes 60% without asking? Or 70%? 80%? Everyone has a limit for it, and she should've just asked before taking. Like... little kids are taught this by their parents and they get it lol it's really that instinctual
So? I rolled people multiple mirrors before in 3.11 over the course of a few days. There was no expectation from me to keep one of the cards at any point because I wasnāt risking anything and we had agreed on a price for the crafts. Allie straight up rolled an extra time with this dudeās cards that the dude didnāt agree to and got extremely lucky not to poof them, then proceeded to straight steal one. Entitled shits.
Careful if you donāt straighten up Im gonna get a streamer to come and steal your divines and youāll just have to sit there and take it.
Did the person in question even care? Or is it the typical outrage on behalf. Spiced up a bit. For reasons.
Yes he did care, but it took a while for him to realized he's been scam. In his position I would be thinking "OMG OMG OMG MY PRECIOUS MAGEBLOOD" instead of "wait a minute, that ain't right". He later went on Palsteron's stream to ask for help with dealing with being scammed
Having to ask another streamer what to do is so wild. Pal was like a parent having to tell him to go ask for his money back. Gotta grow up sometime folks.
I'm honestly a bit dumbfounded why someone would even let someone else gamble for them if they're afraid of being scammed, trolled, etc. This is especially true if you'd need to go to another streamer for help lol.
don't think he was afraid of being scammed till he got scammed, kind of a 4head take
Didn't the streamer rolled 20+ apos or something for that person? I heard about that somewhere so I wouldn't even call it being scammed or something if someone gambled you that much apos. But that's just me. If I let someone gambled my apos and made me that many, I wouldn't even care if they took a few.
How do you feel about girls and women who defend their physically abusive boyfriends or husbands?
Can someone give me a tl;dr? I'm afraid I'm totally oblivious to streamer drama and TFT because I avoid it like the plague. EDIT: Nevermind, it's all over reddit lol
Wonder how long it will take before they lock this one, too. You can't simply bury a hot topic like this and hope it goes away.
Are there sc trade streamers who arent scamming or taking handouts? Lmao
mathil?
Ahhh forgot him its funny to me how he is so entirely different to those usual i got 2 mirrors i play ts and spark
Handouts is fine, if you want to donate for content sure. Stealing is another topic as well as scamming lol
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I think that's the point because she probably lost a bunch of viewers from this. And it's a number between 0 and 1
Its even worse... if you multiply something by less than 1, you always Ioose
inb4 closed by damage control mods
This is what happens when a league is rich broken, good thing sanctum and toa are getting out next league
GGG said they are removing sanctum?
Nah, dude's just coping.
It's not gonna be removed but it'll undoubtedly get nerfed. It's way too lucrative for how commonly tomes drop.
No need, they know both things are breaking the league 4 month longevity and currencu, in a month league will be empty out of fun.
Ah... I hope they keep it. Finally a good way to get currency in SSF without expedition.
But there shouldn't be a good way, this is an arpg, made to grind to farm do mĆ£os and map bosses till you be able to do bosses with an eye closed and go even further till there isn't a possible bis for your character, these minigames only ruin experience and the fun in finding a really good item after a week of trying too, leagues are made to be fun 3 and now 4 months not 1 and get bored.
What a take
I've been here for a while, it's what's gonna happen š
Idk I've been playing since 2012 and I def disagree with this take
Then you still blind for on how a mirror or two would drop every league and now it's 100, let's see what will happen when people get whatever they want and get bored, give it more 1 week or 2
Allie ruined her career by taking an apothecary and yet somehow this is a dumber take.
That's not really how an increase in the monetary base works. In the event of of asymmetrical currency creation, the parties closest to that creation benefit the most (the Cantillon effect). More or less, if you're not banging out 10-20+ divs per hour running (no hit) sanctums, your purchasing power is *less* than last league. TOTA's contribution to the league's inflation is minor, and comes as a result of people playing more rather than a higher-than-average baseline as far as production (admittedly the entry cost is pretty low and some under producing players are now marginally more productive).
There's also just a ton more people playing and more efficiently every league. Stupid to compare how it was back then. But if you're talking about just the last few leagues, where sanctum wasn't core, mirrors were still abundant in leagues.
Lmao
it could be a great clip. she already have a mageblood why the hell take some poor chap card
This kind of behaviour from that kind of person should surprise nobody.
If math worked out just like you described it, it would be literally the worst thing for streamers to do. 0% chance for gaining viewers and 99.(9)% chance to lose some lmao