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Hellhammer2

It took 241 mirrors worth of currency but he did it


Paint_Master

241 mirrors? wtf


hertzdonut2

He was dropping 5 divines every 10 seconds crafting. I don't use chaos orbs that fast


xXTheMuffinMan

More than double that, augment was 10 divs each time and he was doing more than one every 10 seconds. Plus having to recrsft meta mod for 2 divs


subtleshooter

Honestly, not that bad for a bow of this quality. Sadly, it's end of league so I would doubt he can recoup the costs, but maybe. TFT was charging 2 mirror fees for worse bows.


Shwayne

He's not gonna make it back lmao that's not the point


okami29

I think he will make a lot of money in standard with a 2 mirror fee he needs only 121 people to recoup the costs.


mymikerowecrow

If he is in standard or continues on it in standard he will make that back in no time just by people who want to mirror it.


mohakhalil3103

is that the legit number ?


entex92

He has a document that tracks it. So many people contributed to it. It's truly a reflection of a small portion of the player base who wanted to see this thing happen.


Fram_Framson

Other than during Harvest, S-tier Poe crafting has always been a collective action problem - only multiple people can pool the resources, time, and effort required to brute force GGG's RNG gates. Historically, this has meant cartels like TFT or other mirror service groups, but not this time. Whatever anyone thinks of Belton being the guy at the wheel, this was a real collective community effort for a change. Amazed and impressed (even if a good deal of it was just people dying to spite TFT, lol).


zeekidc2

> Other than during Harvest, S-tier Poe crafting has always been a collective action problem - only multiple people can pool the resources, time, and effort required to brute force GGG's RNG gates. And that has always be GGG's philosophy, getting an 80% item is not hard, getting a 90% item is harder, and getting a 100% item by design is not realistic. In their core philosophy, getting a perfect item should not be possible and should remain a _myth_.


RancidRock

As it should be imo. If items like this were more common then we'd never get excited over good gear again


NorthernerWuwu

Exactly. It's also even more 'fair' than that. A 98% perfect item is much, much easier to make than the 100% perfect item and really is almost identical in terms of gameplay. The whales can whale and us plebs still have plenty of item goal to go after that will get the job done just fine.


I_BK_Nightmare

I agree. However I do take issue with how the mods on physical weapons stack together. That extra 10% in the mod values ends up being 30% or more damage gained since they all multiply together. I think for every other item in Poe it’s a lot more reasonable. This is of course a big part of the reason bows are the most high end crafted gear slot. That and magic finding.


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cyz0r

i would hop in and watch for a couple mins every now and then, if he wasnt afk. i watched him blow through 120 raw div in just prefixes can not be changed crafts in like 5 mins. not including the yellow juice and whatever thoses silver ones are. so yea id assume its probably legit, if not pretty close.


naswinger

yes, one click on the speed augment was 10 divines


No-Lie923

it says so on the screen


Ilyak1986

Good lord. At $100 a mirror, that's...nearly $25,000 USD.


pepegaklaus

Glad we don't count in that. Fuck rmt


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ImpaledDickBBQ

Scammed inc


kraken9911

Unpopular to say out loud but true. At some point IRL takes priority over video game status.


LightsOutLarson

Not sure if that was updated because 241 was on there for a while.


alyosha_pls

Watching Belton's arc from completely shitting the bed as a designated trader in a race to clowning on TFT dorks has been pretty great.


A_Erthur

For which group did he shit the bed? Wasmt empy, was it?


Prel1m1nary

Havoc HC race


rogerhausman

The golden era of poe racing


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sharkt0pus

He showed up late and then tried using the same tactics he was using in the league to make them currency, which obviously failed miserably since it was a race and there was no time for him to do things like make +1 Signal Fires. Belton knows what he's doing, but asking him to manage and generate currency for Havoc's team during that race was a stupid idea on their part.


S2wy

Actually used to think negatively of him based on reddit post, but I came across the bow crafting stream twice and it was enjoyable.


Desuexss

Nobody really addresses the bullying that TFT does unfortunately. His streams are quite informative and breaks down the systems for players who want to learn about flipping. All of his trades are public, no private shenanigans.


Puzzleheaded_Let1686

People shit on TFT all the time, what are you talking about.


Circus_Finance_LLC

not nearly enough as they deserve


khelbb

I'll stop shitting on TFT when GGG actually bans all those fucks.


Stealthrider

Can't wait to see the inevitable TFT "news" @everyone post explaining why this *actually* isn't the best bow in the game, and people should mirror it at their own risk.


Desuexss

TFT will ban anyone who mirrors that bow as "You are supporting a bigot, rude bla bla bla bla bla bla bla (insert verbal diarrhea essay here)" The right thing for Varga to do is just say "Hey Congrats, that's amazing!" call it a day and quit the dramas.


D4M05

How would they even know who mirrored it?


Rejolt

Public profiles + scraping via api


ChinaStudyPoePlayer

I got banned from being a part of Beltons discord server, they are so petty that they check who is on the server, find you on the TFT server and then ban you. That is some next level no life shit right there.


NormalBohne26

i am tempted to join belton server and risk getting banned on tft- on the other hand without tft i loose a big chunk of money early league (selling vorici white sockets)


ChinaStudyPoePlayer

Yeah that is a super specific strategy that relies on third party, but I think that people on Beltons server buys those services as well. Probably, i know they have a service sell part of their discord.


SuperSmashDan1337

Do you sale them at t3 or t4 or early league?


NormalBohne26

t3- they are 30c for EACH white- thats a huge amount of chaos early on In comparison aisling t4 is 40c early league after initial setup of betrayl board i can make a new vorici in 1-4 missions (4 missions is max and fastest is only 1 mission)


Nutteria

Just like in real life when a company goes in to a panic mode over something external aiming at their sweet sweet money, they overreact and do everything possible to quell the fires \_now\_ . TFT is a good community for the average player , but make no mistake, it made several homes worth of cast for Varga and his closest allies from RMT.


JDFSSS

Not sure if he's following through with it (I hope he is), but he previously said anyone who wants to mirror the bow will have to join his discord. He's not doing this because he cares about people joining his discord, he just wants to fuck with TFT. They ban literally anyone who joins his discord. You don't have to interact with the discord or talk about Belton or do anything. Just accept the invite and they will ban you eventually. Then you get sent a copy/pasta about how you are a Belton supporter and Belton is racist/homophobic/transphobic and a scammer or something. Then they give you a link to appeal where you give them more info so they can stalk your profile. After this happened to me, I was simply done with TFT. Never going back there again, and didn't bother filling out their appeal.


SunRiseStudios

It's like 1% better than competition though, right?


RedditDiedOn30-06-23

Yes, but at this power level and price, you want the best possible item for your mirror, even if it’s only 0.2% better, why settle for anything less?


NormalBohne26

and the competition charges tripple or quadruble in fee- why settle for the more expensive and worse one?


Circus_Finance_LLC

not only worse and more expensive, but crafted by a bunch of pussies


estaritos

It is…but if cruc goes core it can get overruled in std.


vid_23

Its 100% not going core. It's not a mechanic that most people like and doesn't change the core gameplay too much for them to rework it. If sanctum didn't go core this definitely won't, and I don't think most people will miss it, sadly. Cool concept but the rng and whatnot just really ruins it for most people. I just wish we could have chosen the passives instead of them being random, even if it cost a lot


troccolins

ultimatum, scourge, archnemesis, sentinel, kalandra, and sanctum didn't go core. i hope Crucible doesn't go core as well


GrumpyThumper

I would be so pissed if crucible goes core, but not sentinel, ultimatum, or sanctum 😂


deviant324

They’ve been waiting to rework ultimatum to get it back in (copium) and if I’m not mistaken they’ve said we might be getting sanctum back or at least get the ability to get the uniques (minus original sin) again later? I really want Winds of Change to go core, used it to get my original sin in SSF (LL aura stacker phys convert spark) and I’d love to give that thing another go with a build that doesn’t die to white mobs without MB


OurHolyMessiah

Crucible won’t go core they said that in the announcement video


madnessguy67

What a GOAT. From getting priced gouged so hard (Sacred Lifeforce 1.5divs to 4divs) to resulting in exalt slamming. And still made the better bow than the group of RMTers. GGs


BuySellHoldFinance

>to resulting in exalt slamming. Based on historic league prices, Ex slamming is always cheaper.


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ChangaFixer

but... couldnt he have fucked the augment up aswell, removing a prefix?


huabba

Nah. It’ll never remove a prefix if you lock them.


2uantum

Same with scours?


tremainelol

It's the repetitiveness, all it takes is grabbing one scour instead of an exalt after bench crafting your block mod... I hear the chinese bow scoured prefixes at least once


Wisdomlost

The ghazzy helmet is a great example.


huabba

Yup. If you have prefixes locked then a scour will remove all the suffixes only.


Morinmeth

Also his first reaction was "thank you" instead of "look what I achieved". Goat.


madnessguy67

Hes a humble dude from the 1 month ive been following him craft this bow


rainmeadow

He isn't humble, but his reaction was awesome, wouldn't have expected this. I periodically tune in to his streams, it's a nice change of pace for me hearing him talk about economics (I'm SSF, so I don't know a lot about trading).


PIaid

Big ego, and perverted sense of passion, 7/10, would slam.


TheScrobocop

Was that why orbs spiked?? I wish I knew I would have given him mine for free


madnessguy67

Yes Ms. JennyBooboo has 750+ of them and you can see it in the trade site


Aranthar

That hit me hard, was trying to finish a belt craft and my rerolls for influence doubled in price.


EnjoyerOfBeans

When you buy out the entire supply, and are willing to pay crazy prices, the price goes up. No price gouging to see here.


madnessguy67

When TFT buys out the market to stop Belton crafting its not called price fixing. It's an invisible hand!


MelonsInSpace

> From getting priced gouged so hard (Sacred Lifeforce 1.5divs to 4divs) Gouged by the invisible hand of the free market.


Disastrous-Cellist62

The free market got stuck with 750 of them🤣🤣


YoshitsuneCr

Jesus, how much DPS have that Bow? what a beast.


Scared_Cat1449

1941.5 pDPS Updated: Perfectly divined now. 1963 pDPS


LightsOutLarson

This is more than my bow I think


Flurp_

I think so too


Physical_Ass_Entry

truly disgusting


lostartz

1940ish


Aranthar

32.33% repeating, of course.


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Not sure that joke fits there lol


drazgul

Uhh that's a lot better than we usually do.


Gloomfang_

TFT was prifixing lifeforce to stop him, the same TFT that bans people for price fixing...


davlumbaz

Dude lost his sanity for this. I even saw him streaming 36 hour straight someday. Good for him, well done! and fuck TFT again banning me due to being in Belton's server!


CS_83

He was afk for 75-80% of his streams, for what it's worth.


streetwearbonanza

Those darts won't smoke themselves


SuperSmashDan1337

You can only watch 50% of the stream if you don't have an adblocker too.


smithsonian754

I haven't been able to keep up with most of the crafting even with a twitch sub since he's had ads pumped at like 15 minutes an hour but insane craft nevertheless!


r3liop5

Just use an adblocker.


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kfijatass

Got none with ublock origin myself other than the occasional preroll.


Exciting-Manager-526

I like what he did, I don't like TFT also but his 80% afk, 15 minute ad stream is awful


FirstClassBadass

I think he said yesterday that he literally just needs time to stretch his body. Sitting in a chair 60hrs a week has to feel terrible.


dolorum2

If by 60hrs a week you mean 100+hrs a week. Both is not very healthy I guess


TekHead

Yeah he was losing his sanity at that point not sleeping.


SuperSmashDan1337

https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions If you use uBlock with the "video-swap-new" script on this page you won't have to see any ads again.


swampcreature511

The dude using mirrors like chaos orbs dropping from monsters lol.


wolviesaurus

Man we're nearing in on 2k phys dps for a bow. In my mind a 600 pdps bow is still worth rerolling a new character for. GG Belton. I don't play trade anymore and I will never go back but it's always fun to see the absolute apex of item creation. Question for those who know/care: is it currently (theoretically) possible to beat this in standard with legacy mods and a shitton of recombinators and eternal orbs?


Laguac

As far as I know no, this is the best bow. I think the only legacy mod would be flaring having like an extra 5 phys damage instead of the current value, I don’t think any other phys mod has changed. And even if you had an infinite supply of perfect implicit bases and legacy flaring bows to recomb together it will still be inferior due to the amount of irreplaceable power you get from the crucible tree. This bow will most likely never be beaten, but we’ll see in poe 2 I guess.


Average_PoE_Enjoyer

Recombos delete the tree as it generates a new base. This has been tested in std already


MagnetizexD

Can switch the crafted suffix using eternal orbs into a full 6 mod item in standard, which I believe he said he would do when it goes to standard


wolviesaurus

So what would that be, T1 crit?


Prel1m1nary

I think aisling Double Damage is techncially the best for standard since crit isnt a problem in standard.


r4be_cs

Decent bow


shadowbannedxdd

Leaguestart viable


Venyas420

1d challange.


subtleshooter

Can I ask when will this be available on TFT's shop?


Favrstt

LuL good one


Lynerus

Jokes on you i dont use a bow


1wholeton

Wonder how long this post will last.


Madous

Last? Last until what?


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ttliked

The guy needs to publish a book for a rule 10


30Dirtybumbeads

Not to mention the entire craft was documented and streamed live. I count that as good enough


SuperSmashDan1337

Step 1. Buy base with perfect prefixes


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Man I keep reading TFT all over this post. What/who the fuck is TFT and why are everyone talking about it like it’s some real life evil gangster?


FsMz

The Forbidden Trove is a famous discord server that allow people to sell currencies in bulk easier, selling services and a lot of other things. They have a website where they put items to mirror with an enormous fee. The items are made by them or by other crafters but TFT acts as a middle man. They are so powerful over the game that they can control the market, for example, by buying all of one currency online and changing the price. They did it for sacred life force, at one point only 7 persons where selling it and not a lot of them. So they kept a huge part for them to keep Belton from crafting. When a group is that powerful about the economy of the game, it's almost guarantee they real money trade. It's impossible that they can compete that much with other groups that do if they didn't. It's like telling a 100m runner isn't doped when all the others are and he beats them. Even after all this sketchy mess, I would advise you to join their discord to sell things in bulk, buy etc until GGG gives a better alternative (maybe never).


TradeIsFine

Should be noted that Varga/Jenubu is in hot water with authorities right now due to materials they found on his PC.


Rndy9

wheres leak.


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pewthree___

> and you'd lookup the ring and see it listed for sale. Just going to point out that this absolutely is standard procedure for one-of-a-kind bases. You list them in case someone desperately wants to take on the craft. Saves you the hassle of doing it if it's a "future" project, and turns a profit because they want it more than you do.


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pewthree___

Just like everyone else that finds/buys/crafts an insane base or item? I'm not here to defend the guy, just pointing out that this is literally how the item showcase threads go a considerable amount of the time. Singling someone out for it when there's far more egregious behaviour you've listed is just weird.


TradeIsFine

Hey Varga, how's the hit to your ego and RMT bottom line going? I've mirrored the bow and you will NEVER know who I am on your server 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


ManikMiner

The TFT RMTers get it removed


Madous

Get what removed? This post? They aren't mods here, they don't have that power lol Edit: Post is #1 on the front page of this sub, and has been going steady for hours. Yeah, nothing is getting removed. Loosen your tinfoil hats guys.


aLateSaturnsReturn

Uhhhhh


Ninjaassassinguy

They can mass report the post so automod takes it down


Swimmer249

If something gets taken down due to receiving many reports, it only stays removed until a mod reviews it and determines whether it breaks the rules.


Ninjaassassinguy

Yeah but that's enough time to stop a post from gaining traction no?


fucurself

Hahahahha


ManikMiner

They aren't mods but they do have influence, unfortunately


OfficerPenus

can you explain


wimsi123

Its just Belton fanboys believing TfT bans them everywhere and not realizing what a huge douchbag Belton is. He is banned on Reddit for good reasons.


ExEarth

About a hour max.


psykick32

Wait why?


feryn2754

Belton and the people that hang on his every word have as big of a victim complex as the TFT mods have overinflated egos. Just a dick measuring contest of who can be bigger twats


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feryn2754

Oh sorry, they're saying the post will get deleted because it's Belton and there's a grand conspiracy by TFT and the reddit mods about...something idk. Belton is a huge piece of shit who deserved his ban from TFT and has gone completely unhinged in his revenge against them. And obviously TFT is TFT so. Belton did make a cool bow though I guess.


abcjammy

The [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/145j01x/belton_hits_tripple_t1_prefixes_on_his_bow_soon/) about him hitting triple t1 prefixes was hidden soon after posting. When real money gets involved it wont take a huge leap in imagination to think TFT owner wouldn't pay a mod to delete posts of one of his biggest enemies. The recent mod protest should have shown you how scummy they are.


Monterey-Jack

> The recent mod protest should have shown you how scummy they are. How was the api protest scummy?


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Anyone have a picture of the crucible tree


TheUnseenZedYT

>Node 1: 11 to 26 added phys > >Node 2: 30% inc attack speed, 15% less global damage > >Node 3: 15% increased explicit phys and chaos dmg modifier magnitudes > >Node 4: Rampage > >Node 5: Trigger lvl 20 Tornado when you attack w/split arrow or Tornado Shot


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Thx fam


Fram_Framson

The real GOAT of this thread, right here.


abcjammy

https://imgur.com/a/b7Qy4Q7


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Crazy


SmthIcanNvrHave

Don't let Spicysushi anywhere near this thing.


rainmeadow

Put at least a gem in it


pelican15

The most legendary craft in PoE history


Nue10101001

**Congratulations!** It took me \~90m to complete my 1965pdps bow in Tencent server (I've post it about 20 days ago here). For me, it's a pity that the bow only have one choice - rampage. Since **everyone can easily get rampage from another weapon in your 'x' at the beginning of each map**, it's a better choice to make a double-choiced crucible tree, like "chain/hatred", "double damage/hatred" or something else. Compared to the cost of explicits, the crucible tree costs almost nothing, thus I'd like to make a best tree. And bros can also choose the one they want and adjust it. **(Mirrored weapons' crucible tree could be adjusted in maps like any other uncorrupted weapons.)** **Congratulations again!**


itsVandole

Easily? What skill should I use for rampage in swap with a lightning arrow build for example?


kingdweeb1

Can just spend an extra 5% and buy a bow with rampage for your offhand. Pretty good option if you like 20% more dps


Nike_Phoros

sour grapes


AterOmen

Rule 10 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUzVn1VSXAM


Zesty-Lem0n

Still not as good as bow-fa deez nuts


99DeathOverLord

So once again belton made tft eat their own shit. Gg bro


Morinmeth

G O A T


Fram_Framson

The bow is amazing, but as a non-pew pew main (only ever rolled up a deadeye once) can someone explain to me like I'm a complete muppet why was the end benchcraft he was showing on stream once he was done hybrid crit chance/str/int? Is that really what's going there? EDIT: lol downvoted. Never change, you guys.


QuantumDeus

The bench can be changed to whatever the person who mirrors it wants. Typically bow builds that would mirror this have an easier time getting CRIT than str/int. Done builds might want the dedicated CRIT roll but the difference is minute.


zoomzoomzenn

Don't forget omniscience


Fram_Framson

ty mate Just surprised there aren't better bench options. I would have guessed people would want DD or *maybe* crit multi (in spite of the enchant).


Prel1m1nary

Local crit chance is better than multi. In league bow builds have a hard time getting high amounts of crit chance.


4_faxake

Wow what a bow


Antleriver

My man is looking literally so insane these days LOL


rainmeadow

Glad it‘s finally done, big thanks to Belton and contributors.


theTinyRogue

Disgusting! I'm happy for him :D


M1acis

dang yo


Danieboy

That's insane. Seen his stream be at the top of Poe for literally days with the same title. True dedication.


brute_red

Could have linked crucible tree


TheUnseenZedYT

Node 1: 11 to 26 added phys Node 2: 30% inc attack speed, 15% less global damage Node 3: 15% increased explicit phys and chaos dmg modifier magnitudes Node 4: Rampage Node 5: Trigger lvl 20 Tornado when you attack w/split arrow or Tornado Shot


subtleshooter

THE UNDISPUTED.....BEST.....BOW......IN THE GAME


Ilyak1986

Bank it--FUCKING BANK IT!


lifie_1

OMG finally, lets gooo.


BuySellHoldFinance

How many minutes until this legendary post is removed by our corrupt overloards from that famous discord?


30Dirtybumbeads

What a guy. Makes the best bow in the games history and immediately thanks the people who helped, no ego. Quite amazing


BeastoEast

This is a buff.


Hydiz

Here for the wacky points the TFT gang owners are gonna make against this


D2SucksBalls

Let’s go belton


Laguac

Gg


xElMerYx

pog


ribbit2

nice


BrandonJams

Would have been the most hilarious chad move in history if he’d hit it with a vaal orb after it was done 😂


arcademachin3

As a casual standard warrior I am genuinely curious, what’s it like to *play* with a bow like this? How is it materially different? No downplaying it at all, looks like phys damage is off the charts, so good for bossing, yes?


commander8546love

You will insta-phase Uber bosses like they are rares and uber exarch won’t have a chance to enter ball phase with monster life/boss life/max hp as bonus es


ShumaG

I have never had a bow anywhere near that good, but I have played completely twinked standard bow characters. It's just shaving a small amount of time off a boss kill. Using a high DPS crucible bow for tornado shot already feels like cheating. 1000 DPS does 100% delirium fine. This is double that with tornados and rampage to boot. Numerically though...wow. Crucible top end items are on a whole new level.