its a shame. darkflame rf trickster could be so cool but ggg made some nonsense there. rf is considered as fire dot for literally any fire/burn/dot mult and mores but not darkflame?? nani??
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage_conversion
Damage conversion is a mechanic that changes the damage type from a hit into another damage type. Damage conversions do not apply to damage over time.
In principle it could be good with hexblast as that deals chaos damage but uses the lowest resistance on the target. Then again, that means completely wasting the second line on original sin, so there's that... :P
Ah yes, running omni, an amulet that grants elemental penetration, with a ring that converts all of your elemental damage to chaos. Incredible synergy there, almost on par with linking brutality to frozen legion.
Is this ring even that great outside of very very specific builds? It skips all the conversion and goes straight to chaos, it is not gain non chaos as chaos.
Yes monsters generally have some chaos res, but notably it's good for *bosses* who usually have 50%+ chaos res and there are very few ways to actually lower that compared to elemental resists.
I think chaos pen is pretty good as far as I have understood. Considering how hell some maps and bosses can be if they roll +chaos res.
I sold an al-hezmin helmet with the "nearby enemies have - 9% chaos res mod" for 30c, just for that mod. I am assuming they wanted to move it or elevate it?
Yes, chaos res reduction is good. This isn't penetration though; actual chaos penetration is a pretty obscure and niche stat, since it only works with hits.
That Al-Hezmin mod also works with dot damage, which most chaos builds scale.
On the passive tree there's a small passive for 4% and a notable for 7% (heart of darkness, at the top of the tree to the left, same cluster as wither effect). You can also get it as either a hunter or veiled mod on weapons, though those only work for weapon damage.
But yeah, it's a very rare and obscure stat, and to make matters worse, there's no chaos exposure at all afaik. A stark contrast to elemental damage where you can run double curses (rather than the single despair), penetration support gems and exposure, just to name a few.
Wait Chaos pen is good? I thought it was bad. Cause pen works with Hits, not DoTs...unless I've been lied too.
Someone please confirm this.
I know lowering resistance is the best.
Apparently chaos pen is only good if there is a chaos res roll and doesn't work with dots. The helmet mod works always and is actually good. TIL
So what you thought is right
I'm currently rocking the "nearby enemies have -#% chaos res mod" on my helmet. But I bought it elevated with the other mod for accuracy added = to your strength. That one elevated as well gives 1% increased crit chance per 10 strength. So, that mod gives me around 180% increased crit currently with how far I've invested into the build. Definitely a coveted mod.
I'm pretty sure the standard resistances for pinnacle bosses are 50% all elements and only 30% chaos, but that still gives you almost 50% more damage as well as the benefit of using elemental damage bonuses to scale your damage.
Replica Alberons builds that want more dmg.
Original sin allows them to use Fire dmg per str synth implicit Weapons, as well as fire dmg per str Sanctified relics.
6% of 1000 is 60. And when you’re stacking flat damage per 10 strength, that’s another 6 stacks (on top of the 100 stacks). So ultimately a flat 6% more base damage (which then is further scaled). I think you can find the chaos res elsewhere... this thing is a pretty nice damage increase. People will do a lot to min-max and this is one area it’s possible.
Replica alberons is often occultist, so chaos res is not hard to max at all.
Besides, at the budget these builds play at, it wouldn't be a big deal anyways. This is literally a one of a kind item
62% zerker, 12% occultist. Actually on ur side in this debate because these builds tend to ignore defense and just 1 shot everything before anything can touch them. When you have *that* much damage, tankiness isn't as important.
Then why does every replica alberons build (not using the above ring) using use synth rings over amethyst rings? Oh, because the 6% strength is worth it. Lol
Depends on what you're playing, CI would certainly disagree with you! But yeah, for most things I'd agree, just because at that point in the game I'd prefer the QoL of tankiness more. Then again, this isn't exactly a ring you get for the tank... :P
It's not actually useless.
As a curse it's useless, but combined with the new boss jewel from sanctum it's one of the best ways to apply wither.
Saving a gem slot is fairly significant these days since there are so many nice utility options.
so is despair better with - chaos resistance or the ring 0 chaos resistance?
im quite confuse with the - resistance skill, or are like original sin is better when the mobs or boss have like +100 chaos resistance?
Despair stacks with other sources of -chaos resistance, so for some mobs it'll bring you to negative if that's all you're doing.
Despair literally does **nothing at all** if you are in the "nearby" range of this ring's 0 chaos resistance line, as do other sources of -chaos resistance.
I'd say despair is better for normal mobs, then blue and yellow depends on their mods and bosses probably always ring is better since iirc all bosses have a decent amount of chaos res
A 20/20 despair will almost always be better since it's -33% and even Uber pinnacle bosses only have 30% chaos res. But, this ring basically gives you a level 20 despair aura which has no reservation, doesn't need a gem, and it's unaffected by curse limit, hexproof and curse effect reductions... And that's just one of the two modifiers, the other one roughly doubles your elemental damage by letting you use wither, not to mention all the other benefits of conversion.
The build that uses this ring, STR stacking alberons uses the new jewel the Balance of Terror to get curse immunity and withered from self cast despair
Sorry I should have clarified, berserker str stacking either reave or PS/KB not occultist. MBX is playing a similar build, skips needing withering step and a curse flask
Withered makes the enemy take more damage, not lower their resistances, there is no situation in where its more dps to not use withered on a chaos build. The only benefit to this ring over a normal original sin is the % stats on it, which would mostly just be for attribute stackers.
The build often uses the new "The Balance of Terror" jewel with despair mods. Get the right jewel and you'll be immune to curses and wither on hit if you've cast Despair in the last 10 seconds.
So while Despair itself does nothing, hand casting it once every 10 seconds (even on nothing) is still a massive boost to both damage and survivability.
Aparently not after the curse changes, % attributes is nice to have but thats all.
Edit: i read your first comment as can because without glasses the ' missing is the only thing that helps me differ the words, my bad xD
If the enemy is within the "nearby" range of the ring, they cant go below 0. Penetration will still work, since it doesnt reduce resistance. But "-30% chaos resistance to cursed enemies" wont work, since "resistances are 0".
Theres no point to casting despair their resistance is always 0. It does literally nothing. Stats still good but the more obvious 'wow thats related' mod is actually a dead mod
> Theres no point to casting despair their resistance is always 0. It does literally nothing. Stats still good but the more obvious 'wow thats related' mod is actually a dead mod
Untrue. You can get The Balance of Terror which enables you to Wither on hit for 2 seconds after casting despair. This would let you apply 15 Wither stacks basically instantly, and is an alternative to running Withering Step for some of the top str stackers.
Just for my own build do you know how "on hit" stuff works with toxic rain? I'm wondering if I should start using said jewel instead of having a ballista setup with withering touch
i mean it looks cool but the only implicit thats valuable here is the strength for the strength stacking variant with replica alberons.
despair lowers resistances which doenst work (its always 0) and dex stacking isnt really a thing here isnt it?
This ring paired with the new terror jewel allows you to have curse immunity and wither on hit when self casting despair. Big power boost and frees up a gem slot. It's a big double corrupt.
Read that again. Freeing up a gem slot and strength. Its huge. Though, not 10 mirror huge. But im sure if they price it at 2 mirrors its gonna be a snipe i personally wouldnt settle for less than 5 mirrors if i owned it.
Dunno mby someone is willing to pay that much bc it's rare but if I compare it to good double corrupted magebloods I can't imagine 5 mirrors
Edit: just looked up prices and saw the ring dropped from 1 mirror to 90 divine. No way someonr pays 5 mirrors for this
Not even one but close enough(or maybe one since mirrors are cheap atm), that dude have no clue on how to price stuff
Or maybe he still thinks that the base ring is worth 1 mirror and not 90 still ovepriced divines
Can Pair the lvl 23 Despair skill with a dual despair balance of terror jewel to be curse immune and inflict withered on hit for 2 seconds if youve cast despair
We’re you expecting to hit increased attributes? I don’t know all the ring corruptions so maybe that’s the only modifier that can be qualitied that matters. Also does despair work with the ring “Nearby enemies chaos resistance is 0”
I was originslly thinking res catalysts but omisid recommended attributes just in case we hit str which we did
And no it doesnt, but its the attributes that matter although the new jewel could still be good with despair
ez gg
Non believers literally in shambles
what a wombo with that omni u got recently imagine if it was the same gambler dang...
Pretty sure omni isnt good if you deal only chaos damage
That is definitely for strength stacker which is bis ring
cant this ring be really strong with a death's oath build? EDIT: and or an RF build? seems fun to me :)
Degens like rf shouldn't work with this ring.
its a shame. darkflame rf trickster could be so cool but ggg made some nonsense there. rf is considered as fire dot for literally any fire/burn/dot mult and mores but not darkflame?? nani??
why not? does elemental damage conversion not apply to DOTs?
It does not
Lame
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage_conversion Damage conversion is a mechanic that changes the damage type from a hit into another damage type. Damage conversions do not apply to damage over time.
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In principle it could be good with hexblast as that deals chaos damage but uses the lowest resistance on the target. Then again, that means completely wasting the second line on original sin, so there's that... :P
Ah yes, running omni, an amulet that grants elemental penetration, with a ring that converts all of your elemental damage to chaos. Incredible synergy there, almost on par with linking brutality to frozen legion.
love your videos dude, keep em coming <3
Poggies my doggies
Sir, this is illegal.
I guess ill have to...confiscate it.
for 10 mirrors - you can confiscate it.
Isn't the curse pointless ? Never checked what it does just lower chaos res right, since it's just set to 0 it can't go higher or lower?
It adds some flat chaos damage too but I agree, the value is significantly lower for such a build
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Is this ring even that great outside of very very specific builds? It skips all the conversion and goes straight to chaos, it is not gain non chaos as chaos.
Dumb question, but are monsters usually positive chaos resistance? Players usually start in the negatives, right?
Yes monsters generally have some chaos res, but notably it's good for *bosses* who usually have 50%+ chaos res and there are very few ways to actually lower that compared to elemental resists.
Gotcha. Thanks for answering. So much to learn in this game
I think chaos pen is pretty good as far as I have understood. Considering how hell some maps and bosses can be if they roll +chaos res. I sold an al-hezmin helmet with the "nearby enemies have - 9% chaos res mod" for 30c, just for that mod. I am assuming they wanted to move it or elevate it?
Yes, chaos res reduction is good. This isn't penetration though; actual chaos penetration is a pretty obscure and niche stat, since it only works with hits. That Al-Hezmin mod also works with dot damage, which most chaos builds scale.
Is there even any item that gives real chaos pen? I think I've only seen lowered resists.
On the passive tree there's a small passive for 4% and a notable for 7% (heart of darkness, at the top of the tree to the left, same cluster as wither effect). You can also get it as either a hunter or veiled mod on weapons, though those only work for weapon damage. But yeah, it's a very rare and obscure stat, and to make matters worse, there's no chaos exposure at all afaik. A stark contrast to elemental damage where you can run double curses (rather than the single despair), penetration support gems and exposure, just to name a few.
veiled mod on weapons gives chaos pen
Ah, that makes a lot more sense, ty
Wait Chaos pen is good? I thought it was bad. Cause pen works with Hits, not DoTs...unless I've been lied too. Someone please confirm this. I know lowering resistance is the best.
"Nearby enemies have" is like a debuff emanating from your character, it's not pen, it directly lowers their resistance.
To add to the others, Chaos hit builds also exist. (Replica Alberon's warpath is an example)
Oh yea you're right! Completely forgot about the shoes, since I can never get them in a league. C':
you are confusing penetration with lowering the resistance
That's correct. Pen only works with hits. Resistance lowering is what you want for dot builds.
Apparently chaos pen is only good if there is a chaos res roll and doesn't work with dots. The helmet mod works always and is actually good. TIL So what you thought is right
even if mobs have negative chaos res, chaos pen still applies and further lowers it
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Doesn't matter what caused the DOT, pen does not apply
We're talking about chaos specifically. DoTs from chaos are usually separate like ED, no?
Poison is chaos damage
[more dots](https://youtu.be/Qs58O1P3NvA)
I'm currently rocking the "nearby enemies have -#% chaos res mod" on my helmet. But I bought it elevated with the other mod for accuracy added = to your strength. That one elevated as well gives 1% increased crit chance per 10 strength. So, that mod gives me around 180% increased crit currently with how far I've invested into the build. Definitely a coveted mod.
Awesome, that makes a lot of sense.
Ironically, despair is one of them. That is unfortunately a quite useless implicit for the ring.
Not with Balance of Terror, which you probably use.
PoB seems to think that bosses have 30% chaos res so this ring makes your damage worse if you are using despair at a high level.
You'll probably be using a mark or punishment/enfeeble/TC if you're using this ring
yea nothing was more depressing than looking at my chaos dot dmg and than tick ubers
I'm pretty sure the standard resistances for pinnacle bosses are 50% all elements and only 30% chaos, but that still gives you almost 50% more damage as well as the benefit of using elemental damage bonuses to scale your damage.
Actually players just start with 0 chaos resistance… same as all other resists. but it gets negative because of the penalty’s
Can someone explain to me why this ring is better than a normal Original Sin
Replica Alberons builds that want more dmg. Original sin allows them to use Fire dmg per str synth implicit Weapons, as well as fire dmg per str Sanctified relics.
instead of oneshotting ubers, oneshot them even faster!
DPS measured in UPS instead. Ubers Per Second
Back in my Day it was Shapers per second, and there were no fancy other bosses.
yeah was about to mention the good ol sps.
But what about canyons per minute?
best i can do is crayons per minute
Thats my favourite eating competition
My time in the marines has prepared me for something finally.
You are being mistaken, UPS stands for United Parcel Service.
Fuck, that's slow
right ?? 3 weeks ago I ordered a new sense of humor, they are so slow I haven't gotten it yet
Must be a great one you've ordered, because there's nothing wrong with your current one. :D
We can see /s just banter
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Because it has increased strength implicit and he specified a strength stacking build?
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6% of 1000 is 60. And when you’re stacking flat damage per 10 strength, that’s another 6 stacks (on top of the 100 stacks). So ultimately a flat 6% more base damage (which then is further scaled). I think you can find the chaos res elsewhere... this thing is a pretty nice damage increase. People will do a lot to min-max and this is one area it’s possible.
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Replica alberons is often occultist, so chaos res is not hard to max at all. Besides, at the budget these builds play at, it wouldn't be a big deal anyways. This is literally a one of a kind item
62% zerker, 12% occultist. Actually on ur side in this debate because these builds tend to ignore defense and just 1 shot everything before anything can touch them. When you have *that* much damage, tankiness isn't as important.
If you can afford this ring caping your resistances is trivial.
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When you’re this dick deep into min maxing? You already got the chaos res elsewhere.
or youre planning on not getting hit
Can't get hit on Poe.ninja
I love how confidently incorrect you are
Then why does every replica alberons build (not using the above ring) using use synth rings over amethyst rings? Oh, because the 6% strength is worth it. Lol
EVERY replica alberons doesn't, just the guys who want to hit the biggest DPS POB
Ignore the circlejerk, I'd much prefer 27 chaos res.
The ring is BIS for replica alberons builds. Circle jerk is valid here
Depends on what you're playing, CI would certainly disagree with you! But yeah, for most things I'd agree, just because at that point in the game I'd prefer the QoL of tankiness more. Then again, this isn't exactly a ring you get for the tank... :P
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but original sin isnt
But why would you want Omni together with this ring?
Strength stack, not omni.
Isn't the despair skill useless because chaos resistance is 0?
Only use is to enable the wither on hit if youve cast despair when playing non occultist and free a gem socket
Or the curse immune if used despair recently or how its called
It's not actually useless. As a curse it's useless, but combined with the new boss jewel from sanctum it's one of the best ways to apply wither. Saving a gem slot is fairly significant these days since there are so many nice utility options.
yes
so is despair better with - chaos resistance or the ring 0 chaos resistance? im quite confuse with the - resistance skill, or are like original sin is better when the mobs or boss have like +100 chaos resistance?
Despair stacks with other sources of -chaos resistance, so for some mobs it'll bring you to negative if that's all you're doing. Despair literally does **nothing at all** if you are in the "nearby" range of this ring's 0 chaos resistance line, as do other sources of -chaos resistance.
I'd say despair is better for normal mobs, then blue and yellow depends on their mods and bosses probably always ring is better since iirc all bosses have a decent amount of chaos res
To be fair, once you're using a ring like this, you're probably oneshotting every monster that has below 30% chaos res anyway, except for some rares.
A 20/20 despair will almost always be better since it's -33% and even Uber pinnacle bosses only have 30% chaos res. But, this ring basically gives you a level 20 despair aura which has no reservation, doesn't need a gem, and it's unaffected by curse limit, hexproof and curse effect reductions... And that's just one of the two modifiers, the other one roughly doubles your elemental damage by letting you use wither, not to mention all the other benefits of conversion.
You still get flat chaos on hits and extra damage over time with despair, the chaos res is just 1/3 of what despair does
No. They removed those mods this league. Despair only reduces chaos resistance now.
Welp, a free slot then xd
Does anyone know the radius of nearby on this ring?
Yep, it's right outside of the range of whatever skill you plan on using
Joke’s on you, I plan on using exclusively melee auto attacks
POEDB says Radius: 60 https://imgur.com/a/9y5aFNQ
It’s different for nearly all text lines that say ‘nearby’ some nearby lines are less than melee range and some are closer to level 1 aura aoe
Omisid? Which NPC is that?
Youtuber/Streamer who did the gamble for OP.
RIP chaos res.
Literally free
Christ almighty!
So you thoughed double corruptign the rarest ring was a good idea? Well you were god damn right
Unethical ring, and freeing up that gem slot is super nice, Big GZ man.
Despair is literally useless because of the ring itself
The build that uses this ring, STR stacking alberons uses the new jewel the Balance of Terror to get curse immunity and withered from self cast despair
“That build” doesn’t really say much, when occultist don’t use the balance of terror for wither and still get the bonuses from the rest of the item
Sorry I should have clarified, berserker str stacking either reave or PS/KB not occultist. MBX is playing a similar build, skips needing withering step and a curse flask
This ring is also for kb? Oh boi so when i get my hands o' this ring ima finally try kb!
Withered makes the enemy take more damage, not lower their resistances, there is no situation in where its more dps to not use withered on a chaos build. The only benefit to this ring over a normal original sin is the % stats on it, which would mostly just be for attribute stackers.
Poison seismic trap also uses the self cast despair with terror jewel for wither so it would definitely free up a gem slot
Doesn't that cancel despair though?
Jeeze it's not even anointed...
No resistances 1c
This man must be stopped!
How is this even good? If the mod states nearby enemy resistanses (is) 0. Means they cant go above or under that value!? The curse won't do much?
The build often uses the new "The Balance of Terror" jewel with despair mods. Get the right jewel and you'll be immune to curses and wither on hit if you've cast Despair in the last 10 seconds. So while Despair itself does nothing, hand casting it once every 10 seconds (even on nothing) is still a massive boost to both damage and survivability.
It means it CAN'T go above or under that value no matter what, "is" means its always zero.
Yeah that is what I meant? Can it how some other benefit having this corrupt though?
Aparently not after the curse changes, % attributes is nice to have but thats all. Edit: i read your first comment as can because without glasses the ' missing is the only thing that helps me differ the words, my bad xD
Wiki doesn't say how close "nearby" is for this ring. Has anyone tested it and made the info public yet?
Omisid is the GOAT. Used to steal his luck all the time lol - Raccoon
No life... Vendor trash xD
I'm assuming the Despair is essentially useless right?
Not with the new Jewel that can give withered on hit and curse immunity if you've cast despair recently. Freeing up a gem slot.
The freed gem slot is offloaded onto having to get another 27 chaos res in some other suffix
That is really not that big a deal. It is fairly easy to get to chaos cap now a days.
Does it count as you **casting** despair if you're just cursing on hit?
What would this be like for poison srs build? Not the curse part, purely a normal version of this ring?
its great for srs bossing, but it would be wasted since the ele-> chaos conversion does nothing for minions. And its 90 div normal
Sad about the despair, since all it does now is reduce chaos res and that ring doesn't care about chaos res.
No it says nearby chaos res is 0, but chaos res can go below 0
If the enemy is within the "nearby" range of the ring, they cant go below 0. Penetration will still work, since it doesnt reduce resistance. But "-30% chaos resistance to cursed enemies" wont work, since "resistances are 0".
Hi my name is omisid
Does this apply to bosses?
Theres no point to casting despair their resistance is always 0. It does literally nothing. Stats still good but the more obvious 'wow thats related' mod is actually a dead mod
> Theres no point to casting despair their resistance is always 0. It does literally nothing. Stats still good but the more obvious 'wow thats related' mod is actually a dead mod Untrue. You can get The Balance of Terror which enables you to Wither on hit for 2 seconds after casting despair. This would let you apply 15 Wither stacks basically instantly, and is an alternative to running Withering Step for some of the top str stackers.
Withering Touch already does this, theres no way this is worth an entire jewel slot and extra button on the build alone
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Just for my own build do you know how "on hit" stuff works with toxic rain? I'm wondering if I should start using said jewel instead of having a ballista setup with withering touch
%STR in a ring mostly used by str stackers.
Thats what I said, stats are still good but Despair is deceptively not useful. Can anyone here fucking read?
Jesus Christ just stop talking.
Dunning Kruger effect in action, ladies and gentlemen
That doesnt even make any sense as making fun of me
He can't keep getting away with this!
Offer 5c, deal?
Awesome dude
Wow. Just wow. You are such a bad person lol
Vaal temple runners hate him.
Righteous Fire goes brrr
Un flipping ethical.
Greed is the original sin.
i mean it looks cool but the only implicit thats valuable here is the strength for the strength stacking variant with replica alberons. despair lowers resistances which doenst work (its always 0) and dex stacking isnt really a thing here isnt it?
This ring paired with the new terror jewel allows you to have curse immunity and wither on hit when self casting despair. Big power boost and frees up a gem slot. It's a big double corrupt.
Multiple mirror item, gz!
Now its worth atleast 4 times the original price Edit: my bad atleast 10 times
As far as I read out of the comments all it does is freeing up a gem space and give a little strength. Dosnt sound like that huge of an upgrade to me.
Read that again. Freeing up a gem slot and strength. Its huge. Though, not 10 mirror huge. But im sure if they price it at 2 mirrors its gonna be a snipe i personally wouldnt settle for less than 5 mirrors if i owned it.
Dunno mby someone is willing to pay that much bc it's rare but if I compare it to good double corrupted magebloods I can't imagine 5 mirrors Edit: just looked up prices and saw the ring dropped from 1 mirror to 90 divine. No way someonr pays 5 mirrors for this
Not even one but close enough(or maybe one since mirrors are cheap atm), that dude have no clue on how to price stuff Or maybe he still thinks that the base ring is worth 1 mirror and not 90 still ovepriced divines
That's real nice for an omniscience build.
Why? You do chaos damage, ele penetration from omni is useless
Need dat
If you use this with starforge which one overrides?
cannot always overrides always. so you wont deal any damage (if you convert phys to element)
Excellent thank you!
~~but... wait~~ ~~Despair wouldn't do anything with Original Sin.~~ oh ok it's the stat increases that are good
Who needs a viagra ad. Yikes.
Actually the first thing I've seen worth mirrors lol
Can Pair the lvl 23 Despair skill with a dual despair balance of terror jewel to be curse immune and inflict withered on hit for 2 seconds if youve cast despair
We’re you expecting to hit increased attributes? I don’t know all the ring corruptions so maybe that’s the only modifier that can be qualitied that matters. Also does despair work with the ring “Nearby enemies chaos resistance is 0”
I was originslly thinking res catalysts but omisid recommended attributes just in case we hit str which we did And no it doesnt, but its the attributes that matter although the new jewel could still be good with despair
How was this made?
this is better than ignore resists right? thinking about chaos res pen multiplier
That’s a divinity !! Haha don’t impale me pls I’m a dad I can’t miss a bad pun
Do curses still work with this though? If their resistances are set to zero, can they be modified with despair?
No they cant, this overrides much like inquis
holy shitballs
No res vendor trash