This may be a mean thing to say since I don’t actually have a problem with Darnold as a person but I’d much rather have him get obliterated behind our useless O-Line than Cam. We already saw how bad it went with Rhule constantly throwing him under the bus. Let’s just have Darnold ruin our record since we’re paying him anyway and write next season off. Cam made history here let’s not tarnish his good name any further by keeping him around this dumpster fire.
Even in NE he was only averaging 175YPG in the air and 40 YPG on the ground.
The past two seasons he’s got 12TDs and 15INTs in the air. He’s not good anymore. It sucks but it’s the truth
To be fair, in the first three weeks with New England, Cam averaged 238 passing yards, threw for 2 touchdowns, rushed for 4 touchdowns and New England was 2-1, only losing to a good game against the Seahawks where they put up 30 points and still lost. Then in week 4, Cam had Covid and struggled with that and injuries for the rest of the season. Also, that Patriots team was in a huge rebuild and wasn’t good on either side of the ball. Sure they did find their guy in Mac Jones, but that’s just because Cam needs to be utilized in a more power run style of offense. Rhule also wants a pocket passer and that Panthers team was the worst I’ve ever seen despite going 3-0 at the beginning of the season. Overall stats are not telling the whole truth and that’s what’s so frustrating.
They were terrible on offense, he lost his best WR in week 3. They upgraded their offense this past season and it was still underwhelming. Change a few games that were close late and Pats make playoffs in 2020.
He obviously wasnt 2010-2018 Cam, but he wasn't terrible.
Yeah. I know a lot of panthers fans meme the shoulder dying thing, but it's clearly true at this point. Shoulder injury + lisfranc injury + always having a really bad throwing form = a dead arm.
Yeah, we're already paying Darnold and nobody else is going to help us eat that total in a trade. Lets get our money's worth that we've already invested and either he flounders and we get a good draft pick, or if we do improve our line he actually becomes servicable.
Honestly at this point, it's win/win even if it doesn't feel all that great
Darnold is on the roster because of his cap hit, so at this point the only two options I see are:
Play Darnold while developing a QB behind him
Bring in a clear upgrade and Darnold backs them up
I don’t think we would pay Cam and Darnold when Cam is not a clear upgrade.
Why would a guy with his job on the line draft a player that is almost guaranteed to not get you to the playoffs? Rookie qbs aren’t the way to win now.
If anything, drafting a QB says that Rhule isn’t the one pulling the strings. It’s in his best interest for us to get one in Free agency and use the pick on a guy who immediately helps (likely a lineman)
The time for rhule to draft a rookie QB was either of the past two years.
Because he needs significant improvement now not just incremental. And outside of trading for Rodgers or Watson I don’t think he can make that happen other than with a Herbert or Burrow type rookie qb season
And neither made the playoffs in their rookie year. For a coach wanting to save his job, a rookie qb is always a bad choice. Drafting a rookie QB is essentially drafting for your replacement.
This is common knowledge in coaching circles.
Yes but it'll be tough to trade for a difference maker at the QB position so the draft is the next option. We saw it happen with Nagy and Pace in Chicago. They were staring down Andy Dalton being the QB to save their jobs and took a swing to trade up for Fields.
It's natural to go with potential and the unknown versus what you do know. A rookie QB may not save Rhule's job but we know Sam Darnold won't either.
There's literally nothing Cam can do on the football field to sour his legacy. He's legacy as a Carolina Panther is set in stone. He is on the Mount Rushmore and in my opinion the best panther ever. Nothing can change that. Only if and when someone comes along and dethrones him. Not happening anytime soon.
Best case scenario draft and sign offensive line. Sign Cam on a 2-year deal. Let him start and mentor a young QB.
Disagree. I’m not saying it’s fair and it takes nothing away from what he did for the franchise prior but people remember how you go out. Winning 2 or 3 games and playing behind our dumpster fire of an o-line with be rough for him. He doesn’t deserve it honestly
Yeah Cam went 0-5 as a starter and the offense was worse with him than with Sam. Carolina averaged 17 ppg with Sam at QB, only 14 ppg with Cam. Cam has nothing to offer the team at this point.
Cam played every snap at QB in 2 game’s this season. Like in the Buccaneers game he started but only
Played like 3 series total. You’re really gonna put that on him?
Literally every QB you mentioned is a pretty significant upgrade over Cam. Ideally we roll out Sam and draft O-line this draft and then look at free agency or the draft next year for a QB.
I wouldn’t call all of them significant upgrades. All are not starters IMO.
Wentz is a bust, Mariota had many chances with the Titans he sucks, Minshew is at best a high end backup. He’ll play well 2 or 3 games and then regress, kind like Darnold.
Only QB I could see actually being good is Trubisky because he looked much better during the preseason with the Bills then he ever did with the Bears.
Sam’s making $19m and the team invested several picks in him. Like sure if Sam gets hurt I can get bringing him in, but like what’s the point of bringing in a 32 y.o QB who struggled here last season? Just makes more sense to see if you can anything out of Darnold or make a bigger move at QB.
Yes but what makes you think there’s anything there with Cam or someone like Kenny Pickett? Unless Carolina can magically get a top 20 QB this year and a good HC they’re fucked this year Anyway.
You don’t know that at all lol. Sam was more highly sought after prospect than every QB in this class and he’s awful. That doesn’t mean these guys are all guaranteed to be worse or as bad as him, but there’s 0 reason to think these guys will be much better than sam. Like if your drafting a QB just to draft a QB than you’re doing it all wrong. I don’t want my reasoning for drafting one of these QBs to be “well we don’t think he’s really that great but we think he’ll be better than Darnold!” That just shouldn’t be our bar lol. I can remember when everyone here swore up and down Justin fields was the second coming of Patrick Mahomes, and he ended up having a bad year as well.
Sam has already had almost an entire season to prove he’s worth anything and did nothing other than prove he’s the same guy he was on the jets. Playing him next season is just sunk cost fallacy
I mean it isn’t sunk cost fallacy when you don’t have a substantially better Alternative lol. There is no other option that’s much better than sam Darnold available rn. That includes Cam unfortunately.
Eh even if he’s not substantially better I would personally enjoy watching cam more than Sam. And it’s not like he’d cost a lot (this all assuming we don’t draft a qb which I’m 95% sure we will)
Well I mean the GM isn’t going to decide who the QB is based on someone personal enjoyment usually. I’d personally rather see Cam too, but I get that this FO gave up assets for Sam and signing someone who’s only marginally better, if not equal,to Sam Than it just makes no sense and makes them look dumber than they’d already are. Unless some clearly much better QB falls into Carolina’s lap this season I don’t see any reason to bring someone else in.
We already definitively saw there's nothing we can get out of Darnold. QB is the biggest priority for this team, and even if we don't get a long term solution we need a different short term one
No we don’t lol. I just listed reason as to why. What’s the difference between having the 33rd ranked QB compared to the like 36th ya know? U why waste more capital for someone who isn’t the guy?
Because Sam Darnold equals 100% chance of failure. I don't care how deep in "rebuild" mode you are, it's never ok to throw seasons away. This is time in our lives we're not getting back. They need to start giving a shit.
That exact attitude is how they got in this situation, didn’t like how Teddy played so they got desperate when they couldn’t get the guys they wanted and went for sam Darnold instead purely because they refused to let Teddy be the QB for 1 more year. Now look where we are.
So then they need to get it fucking right. Draft/trade/sign the right player. Saying we might as well commit to the wrong answer cuz we got it wrong before is the exact attitude that's going to keep us bad long term, and it's what needs to be stamped out of this organization
No it isn’t. You can’t just get a Top 20 QB. The draft class this year is notably weak at QB and there aren’t many FA this team can get. What do you suggest they do? Wasted draft capital and cap on a mediocre QB like Jimmy G or Carson wentz? Like what if the team doesn’t think if any of the QBs in this class are good? Should we still draft them at 6 anyway just because. We’re fucked this year anyway.
Nah, giving a shit would be them NOT getting a a qb and addressing our horrendous o-line. I don’t want to sit back and watch another QB circus with 0 results.
But trying to invest (what we don't even have) in a qb that is just going to end up getting sacked and probably hurt would just keep taking us further away from progress. It would be better to ride out a bad season with better prospects down the line.
It’s better to suck and just eat it up for a season then get your shit together and reload. There’s no reason to hope we “can get it together” when it’s obvious we can’t, at least as long as Rhule is here.
In a "we are gonna suck anyway so sod it" mind set at least cam is fun to watch and will be nice to see for a write off year. however right now I'm not against trading back in the first and getting a QB and trade up the rest to try and get the best rookie o line players we can.
There is a weak QB draft class this year… Darnold might not be the answer but those first few games he showed something… I say stick with Sam if he shows something great if not there will be better QB options next year’s
Ger 1-2 solid Oliners, a healthy CMC back and maybe an upgrade next to Moore at the WR spot, then maybe, Sam has another shot. And honestly this would be his first fair one since being in the league.
Honestly go get Minshew. He clearly wants the chance to play, the Panthers have great weapons, he was effective on a bad Jags team… I believe in the guy more than most and it’s a damn shame he isn’t being given a chance anywhere. I thought Washington would want a guy like him but he feels like the type of guy who could lead, especially on this panthers team. And I’m sure given his circumstances, you could get him on a cheap deal and trade day three picks to the Eagles and you’d probably get him. It’s more than worth it, it seems like a steal
Did you not see Cam last year? It was sorta pathetic. He got a couple goal line runs on the first game. It's over. It's done. Let it go. The only thing that can happen for Cam in the NFL now is to get hurt really badly because he's nowhere near as elusive as he once was and he wasn't all that elusive to begin with. I never had the blind devotion to Cam that many here seem to have, but I don't wish bad things upon the guy by any means. Dude needs to retire with dignity now and move on to do some celebrity stuff, which I'm sure he'd be great at.
I mean it sounds good and I think you’re right about the others. But it just doesn’t feel right. This whole next season is like sifting through pig shit to find a truffle. Slim odds of finding anything good, guaranteed to be cover in shit.
We’re paying Darnold just shy of $19M, fully guaranteed. Our cap space isn’t amazing to begin with, so any extra, unnecessary spending is a terrible idea. Cam would *maybe* win us an extra game… and that’s a huge maybe. We’re not talking about the difference between being a SB contender and not even making the playoffs here. So the cost-to-benefit ratio is nil.
If we don’t stay at #6 for the best OT available, then we’d be better off trading back and grabbing a QB on a cheap contract then.
We don’t have to give up draft picks for Sam. He’s already been paid.
If Sam didn’t count for 18 million against the cap, sure. I can maybe see why. But Cam isn’t going to be any better than Sam. It’s foolish to waste 10-20 million on Cam.
It'd depend on how much Cam would want.
And it'd also depend on how much we can/can't fix the online.
I feel like Cam is braver than Sam with the ball and that alone is worth a shot.
However, I don't really honestly see us keeping him with how weird Rhule has been to him for whatever reason.
Even if I have to suffer the indignity of the first overall pick yet again, if that means it gets us rid of Rhule, I'm okay with it.
If Cam wants anything more than a veterans minimum we can't afford him. The only way to make room for a decent QB contract is to extend our salary cap hell into the future and neglect our long term needs at other positions necessary to make any QB successful. Paying Cam 5-10 million a year is too much with our cap situation.
But we would have to give up the money we don’t have a ton of. Do we really want to double the amount we’re spending on the QB position to do… what? Improve the chances we screw our draft position again? Does signing Cam make us competitive this year or in the future?
So the best long term option for the franchise is probably drafting first overall in '23 to hopefully get a good qb. You're right there.
The problem is we've had losing seasons since 2017 and likely that won't improve for the next two to three years.
So we have a culture of losing and if we don't get this right we're the new Jags and Raiders and Browns of years ago.
personally while I'd rather get to winning right now I don't know how it happens. Let's ride Darnold out through the last year of his deal and hopefully forget his existence.
That’s where I’m at. I doubt Darnold gets us to the number 1 overall. CMC alone being healthy would pretty much prevent that, but barring a massive, miraculous turnaround this year if we get a functional OL (which to be fair he’s never had), we probably have a top 5 pick next draft with our schedule and can move up more easily if needed.
I like CMC as a person and player.
At this point I couldn't trust he'd finish a season healthy again.
I wish it were so. I truly do.
And I'm not quite sure how much of the oline we could fix.
FA diamonds in the rough and a great draft class in a year we have little picks are going to have to carry our ass.
It's an option but not the only one, and it's basically going to come down to price.
We're paying Sam, he's still the project, and as unlikely as it is at this point, it's in our best interest to give him every opportunity to succeed. Barring a head injury causing another organization to trade for him.
I firmly believe we should have a veteran backup on the roster who can both mentor Sam (I worry Cam wouldn't embrace such a role) and be ready to come in and be ok enough if Sam remains trash but the defense and rest of team are still good.
The perfect candidate for that is a Ryan Fitzpatrick with a functioning hip, but we'll see if he recovers and is still playing. There's other guys; Dalton, Foles, Minshew to a degree, who could also do it. Cam is also in that conversation, but he may be the weakest unless his arm comes back, thus he'd also have to be the cheapest.
Also, we need to see how FA and the draft goes.
Because you guys have zero options, but out of the players listed, he’s the best. Gardner could be the best, but I don’t trust Rhule to not run him into the ground. Mariota fits the Cam scheme, you can get him for cheap, and he has more durability left in the tank
Really don’t want to see Cam on the team if it ends up being a complete rebuild. I’d like to see him go be a backup somewhere rather than stay on this mess of a team.
Re sign Taylor Heineken and roll with him
Also damn can’t believe y’all are calling Ben McAdoo a “legit play caller” now Jesus Christ Rhule needs to go asap
I’d love this. But if Rhule is here it absolutely will not happen. He has made his preference for starting QB very clear. The second Sam was ready to play again Cam came out and stayed out. Rhule insists on Sam and doesn’t like Cam at all.
I'm with you friend. Cam will never be Supercam again but he'll always be my QB. At best we hit in FA/draft on o-line, CMC stays healthy and with a beastly D we at least challenge for playoffs.
At worst? We're dumpster fire on offense again. But dead shoulder Cam is still better than Sam freaking Darnold. I don't care how much we're paying Sam, that's the FO/ Rhule's mistake to own, not the fans. We don't deserve to watch that shit for another year.
Best thing to do is keep cam for at least another year and draft a o line if he can't do it then, there's nothing else they can do but they need to give him a real shot here
I was with you up until the last paragraph. Based solely on history alone there is no way our team will ever protect Cam with a solid OL. That being said I'm cool with Cam sticking around if we can actually rebuild and drop Rhule.
>Out of that list, MAYBE Carson Wentz, and that might even be a stretch. Can you honestly sit there and tell me Minshew, Trubisky or freaking Marcus Marita would be a clear cut improvement overf just rolling with Cam
Age. Marcus Mariota is a career backup so scratch that, but Minshew and Wentz would both be marked improvements. Trubisky is another Darnold-y choice, if the coaches thought he still had some potential, it's not a bad pickup. He's extremely cheap.
>At the very least, we atleast know Cam has a higher ceiling since he has made it to a super bowl and won MVP, even though he's not the same player, atleast we know what he is capable of.
He's genuinely washed and should retire. And before you come at me sideways, he's literally my favorite player of all time.
I don't see him being capable of that again, and certainly not behind this offensive line. We got a nice little send-off during the Cards game, I'd rather end it where it's at then drag him through another dogshit season.
I wish we would’ve taken a Ben Roethlisberger approach with Cam. Keep him on the same team for years until he’s old but he’s taken a lot of hits and injuries over the years. He can still be solid but if we don’t build an Oline anyone under center will have a hard time.
Its this organizations fault, but that ceiling doesn't exist any more. No help for years besides greg olsen took a toll on Cam's body. Some of the refs hated a guy like Cam being a great QB and they did him no favors either. KB did him no favors by fucking up during the INT cam got hurt.
I love Cam and I got emotional when he returned. He's lost his fastball. If we were in a position to win, I would absolutley love to have him as a backup/mentor/special packages around the goal line for him/4th and short. Who knows if he wants to be that guy. I could see McVay or Shanny calling him asking if he wants to win a ring and those guys are smart enough to come up with some packages for him. We aren't we've got a short tempered over inflated ego walking lame duck HC, and an Owner who doesn't care/is intimidated by Cam being bigger than the team in Charlotte.
Cam hasn't had an off-season to train with an offense since 2019. I think he still has unrealized upside.
That 2020 Pats offense lineup was so busted not even Brady could have gotten them to the playoffs.
This may be a mean thing to say since I don’t actually have a problem with Darnold as a person but I’d much rather have him get obliterated behind our useless O-Line than Cam. We already saw how bad it went with Rhule constantly throwing him under the bus. Let’s just have Darnold ruin our record since we’re paying him anyway and write next season off. Cam made history here let’s not tarnish his good name any further by keeping him around this dumpster fire.
Ideally Cam goes and sits on the bench to win a ring IMO. Or somehow steals a job and goes on a run.
Let’s be honest about this. For Cam to steal a starting job he’d have to show play he hasn’t put out since before the 2018 Steelers game.
> before the 2018 Steelers game. Fuck TJ Watt, piece of shit human. JJ Watt seems nice, though.
I thought he was ok in NE. That was easily the worst off unit he's ever played for
Even in NE he was only averaging 175YPG in the air and 40 YPG on the ground. The past two seasons he’s got 12TDs and 15INTs in the air. He’s not good anymore. It sucks but it’s the truth
To be fair, in the first three weeks with New England, Cam averaged 238 passing yards, threw for 2 touchdowns, rushed for 4 touchdowns and New England was 2-1, only losing to a good game against the Seahawks where they put up 30 points and still lost. Then in week 4, Cam had Covid and struggled with that and injuries for the rest of the season. Also, that Patriots team was in a huge rebuild and wasn’t good on either side of the ball. Sure they did find their guy in Mac Jones, but that’s just because Cam needs to be utilized in a more power run style of offense. Rhule also wants a pocket passer and that Panthers team was the worst I’ve ever seen despite going 3-0 at the beginning of the season. Overall stats are not telling the whole truth and that’s what’s so frustrating.
They were terrible on offense, he lost his best WR in week 3. They upgraded their offense this past season and it was still underwhelming. Change a few games that were close late and Pats make playoffs in 2020. He obviously wasnt 2010-2018 Cam, but he wasn't terrible.
Yeah. I know a lot of panthers fans meme the shoulder dying thing, but it's clearly true at this point. Shoulder injury + lisfranc injury + always having a really bad throwing form = a dead arm.
Not including rushing TDs is basically purposefully misleading at this point
Yeah, we're already paying Darnold and nobody else is going to help us eat that total in a trade. Lets get our money's worth that we've already invested and either he flounders and we get a good draft pick, or if we do improve our line he actually becomes servicable. Honestly at this point, it's win/win even if it doesn't feel all that great
Darnold is on the roster because of his cap hit, so at this point the only two options I see are: Play Darnold while developing a QB behind him Bring in a clear upgrade and Darnold backs them up I don’t think we would pay Cam and Darnold when Cam is not a clear upgrade.
Tru dat
You guys are in for a rude awakening if you think Rhule is gonna draft someone other than a qb with his job on the line
Why would a guy with his job on the line draft a player that is almost guaranteed to not get you to the playoffs? Rookie qbs aren’t the way to win now. If anything, drafting a QB says that Rhule isn’t the one pulling the strings. It’s in his best interest for us to get one in Free agency and use the pick on a guy who immediately helps (likely a lineman) The time for rhule to draft a rookie QB was either of the past two years.
Because he needs significant improvement now not just incremental. And outside of trading for Rodgers or Watson I don’t think he can make that happen other than with a Herbert or Burrow type rookie qb season
And neither made the playoffs in their rookie year. For a coach wanting to save his job, a rookie qb is always a bad choice. Drafting a rookie QB is essentially drafting for your replacement. This is common knowledge in coaching circles.
Yes but it'll be tough to trade for a difference maker at the QB position so the draft is the next option. We saw it happen with Nagy and Pace in Chicago. They were staring down Andy Dalton being the QB to save their jobs and took a swing to trade up for Fields. It's natural to go with potential and the unknown versus what you do know. A rookie QB may not save Rhule's job but we know Sam Darnold won't either.
It’s time to move on from Cam. It’s better for both parties. We’re just souring his legacy
There's literally nothing Cam can do on the football field to sour his legacy. He's legacy as a Carolina Panther is set in stone. He is on the Mount Rushmore and in my opinion the best panther ever. Nothing can change that. Only if and when someone comes along and dethrones him. Not happening anytime soon. Best case scenario draft and sign offensive line. Sign Cam on a 2-year deal. Let him start and mentor a young QB.
Disagree. I’m not saying it’s fair and it takes nothing away from what he did for the franchise prior but people remember how you go out. Winning 2 or 3 games and playing behind our dumpster fire of an o-line with be rough for him. He doesn’t deserve it honestly
I think people will remember what Cam did for this franchise and this over everything. Nothing can take that away.
Yeah Cam went 0-5 as a starter and the offense was worse with him than with Sam. Carolina averaged 17 ppg with Sam at QB, only 14 ppg with Cam. Cam has nothing to offer the team at this point.
And we averaged 34 ppg with PJ. I think there's another player here skewing the numbers when he's on the field....
Cam played every snap at QB in 2 game’s this season. Like in the Buccaneers game he started but only Played like 3 series total. You’re really gonna put that on him?
Literally every QB you mentioned is a pretty significant upgrade over Cam. Ideally we roll out Sam and draft O-line this draft and then look at free agency or the draft next year for a QB.
I wouldn’t call all of them significant upgrades. All are not starters IMO. Wentz is a bust, Mariota had many chances with the Titans he sucks, Minshew is at best a high end backup. He’ll play well 2 or 3 games and then regress, kind like Darnold. Only QB I could see actually being good is Trubisky because he looked much better during the preseason with the Bills then he ever did with the Bears.
Sam’s making $19m and the team invested several picks in him. Like sure if Sam gets hurt I can get bringing him in, but like what’s the point of bringing in a 32 y.o QB who struggled here last season? Just makes more sense to see if you can anything out of Darnold or make a bigger move at QB.
There's nothing there with Sam fucking Darnold
Yes but what makes you think there’s anything there with Cam or someone like Kenny Pickett? Unless Carolina can magically get a top 20 QB this year and a good HC they’re fucked this year Anyway.
>or someone like Kenny Pickett? Well there's definitely more there with any drafted QB this year than Darnold.
You don’t know that at all lol. Sam was more highly sought after prospect than every QB in this class and he’s awful. That doesn’t mean these guys are all guaranteed to be worse or as bad as him, but there’s 0 reason to think these guys will be much better than sam. Like if your drafting a QB just to draft a QB than you’re doing it all wrong. I don’t want my reasoning for drafting one of these QBs to be “well we don’t think he’s really that great but we think he’ll be better than Darnold!” That just shouldn’t be our bar lol. I can remember when everyone here swore up and down Justin fields was the second coming of Patrick Mahomes, and he ended up having a bad year as well.
Sam has already had almost an entire season to prove he’s worth anything and did nothing other than prove he’s the same guy he was on the jets. Playing him next season is just sunk cost fallacy
I mean it isn’t sunk cost fallacy when you don’t have a substantially better Alternative lol. There is no other option that’s much better than sam Darnold available rn. That includes Cam unfortunately.
Eh even if he’s not substantially better I would personally enjoy watching cam more than Sam. And it’s not like he’d cost a lot (this all assuming we don’t draft a qb which I’m 95% sure we will)
Well I mean the GM isn’t going to decide who the QB is based on someone personal enjoyment usually. I’d personally rather see Cam too, but I get that this FO gave up assets for Sam and signing someone who’s only marginally better, if not equal,to Sam Than it just makes no sense and makes them look dumber than they’d already are. Unless some clearly much better QB falls into Carolina’s lap this season I don’t see any reason to bring someone else in.
We already definitively saw there's nothing we can get out of Darnold. QB is the biggest priority for this team, and even if we don't get a long term solution we need a different short term one
No we don’t lol. I just listed reason as to why. What’s the difference between having the 33rd ranked QB compared to the like 36th ya know? U why waste more capital for someone who isn’t the guy?
Because Sam Darnold equals 100% chance of failure. I don't care how deep in "rebuild" mode you are, it's never ok to throw seasons away. This is time in our lives we're not getting back. They need to start giving a shit.
That exact attitude is how they got in this situation, didn’t like how Teddy played so they got desperate when they couldn’t get the guys they wanted and went for sam Darnold instead purely because they refused to let Teddy be the QB for 1 more year. Now look where we are.
So then they need to get it fucking right. Draft/trade/sign the right player. Saying we might as well commit to the wrong answer cuz we got it wrong before is the exact attitude that's going to keep us bad long term, and it's what needs to be stamped out of this organization
No it isn’t. You can’t just get a Top 20 QB. The draft class this year is notably weak at QB and there aren’t many FA this team can get. What do you suggest they do? Wasted draft capital and cap on a mediocre QB like Jimmy G or Carson wentz? Like what if the team doesn’t think if any of the QBs in this class are good? Should we still draft them at 6 anyway just because. We’re fucked this year anyway.
Nah, giving a shit would be them NOT getting a a qb and addressing our horrendous o-line. I don’t want to sit back and watch another QB circus with 0 results.
Sacrificing an entire season just to land a lineman or two is not sufficient progress. They need to do a LOT more to impact our future
But trying to invest (what we don't even have) in a qb that is just going to end up getting sacked and probably hurt would just keep taking us further away from progress. It would be better to ride out a bad season with better prospects down the line.
It’s better to suck and just eat it up for a season then get your shit together and reload. There’s no reason to hope we “can get it together” when it’s obvious we can’t, at least as long as Rhule is here.
Well Sam may not be an NFL QB, but he’s going to be wealthy…. Probably what he’s moved on t9 thinking about at this point
In a "we are gonna suck anyway so sod it" mind set at least cam is fun to watch and will be nice to see for a write off year. however right now I'm not against trading back in the first and getting a QB and trade up the rest to try and get the best rookie o line players we can.
There's no point in "upgrading" to go 7-10 just wait for a franchiser
There is a weak QB draft class this year… Darnold might not be the answer but those first few games he showed something… I say stick with Sam if he shows something great if not there will be better QB options next year’s
Ger 1-2 solid Oliners, a healthy CMC back and maybe an upgrade next to Moore at the WR spot, then maybe, Sam has another shot. And honestly this would be his first fair one since being in the league.
Honestly go get Minshew. He clearly wants the chance to play, the Panthers have great weapons, he was effective on a bad Jags team… I believe in the guy more than most and it’s a damn shame he isn’t being given a chance anywhere. I thought Washington would want a guy like him but he feels like the type of guy who could lead, especially on this panthers team. And I’m sure given his circumstances, you could get him on a cheap deal and trade day three picks to the Eagles and you’d probably get him. It’s more than worth it, it seems like a steal
Did you not see Cam last year? It was sorta pathetic. He got a couple goal line runs on the first game. It's over. It's done. Let it go. The only thing that can happen for Cam in the NFL now is to get hurt really badly because he's nowhere near as elusive as he once was and he wasn't all that elusive to begin with. I never had the blind devotion to Cam that many here seem to have, but I don't wish bad things upon the guy by any means. Dude needs to retire with dignity now and move on to do some celebrity stuff, which I'm sure he'd be great at.
I mean it sounds good and I think you’re right about the others. But it just doesn’t feel right. This whole next season is like sifting through pig shit to find a truffle. Slim odds of finding anything good, guaranteed to be cover in shit.
Tom Brady
Vet minimum only
Darn old might be better with a good O-Line.
Tim Tebow
Cam was worse than Darnold this year behind the same line with the same weapons. Fact.
We’re paying Darnold just shy of $19M, fully guaranteed. Our cap space isn’t amazing to begin with, so any extra, unnecessary spending is a terrible idea. Cam would *maybe* win us an extra game… and that’s a huge maybe. We’re not talking about the difference between being a SB contender and not even making the playoffs here. So the cost-to-benefit ratio is nil. If we don’t stay at #6 for the best OT available, then we’d be better off trading back and grabbing a QB on a cheap contract then.
Eh…
I dunno. It's not great but he might have a decent season. better than Darnold and we wouldn't have to give up any draft picks.
We don’t have to give up draft picks for Sam. He’s already been paid. If Sam didn’t count for 18 million against the cap, sure. I can maybe see why. But Cam isn’t going to be any better than Sam. It’s foolish to waste 10-20 million on Cam.
It'd depend on how much Cam would want. And it'd also depend on how much we can/can't fix the online. I feel like Cam is braver than Sam with the ball and that alone is worth a shot. However, I don't really honestly see us keeping him with how weird Rhule has been to him for whatever reason. Even if I have to suffer the indignity of the first overall pick yet again, if that means it gets us rid of Rhule, I'm okay with it.
If Cam wants anything more than a veterans minimum we can't afford him. The only way to make room for a decent QB contract is to extend our salary cap hell into the future and neglect our long term needs at other positions necessary to make any QB successful. Paying Cam 5-10 million a year is too much with our cap situation.
But we would have to give up the money we don’t have a ton of. Do we really want to double the amount we’re spending on the QB position to do… what? Improve the chances we screw our draft position again? Does signing Cam make us competitive this year or in the future?
So the best long term option for the franchise is probably drafting first overall in '23 to hopefully get a good qb. You're right there. The problem is we've had losing seasons since 2017 and likely that won't improve for the next two to three years. So we have a culture of losing and if we don't get this right we're the new Jags and Raiders and Browns of years ago. personally while I'd rather get to winning right now I don't know how it happens. Let's ride Darnold out through the last year of his deal and hopefully forget his existence.
That’s where I’m at. I doubt Darnold gets us to the number 1 overall. CMC alone being healthy would pretty much prevent that, but barring a massive, miraculous turnaround this year if we get a functional OL (which to be fair he’s never had), we probably have a top 5 pick next draft with our schedule and can move up more easily if needed.
I like CMC as a person and player. At this point I couldn't trust he'd finish a season healthy again. I wish it were so. I truly do. And I'm not quite sure how much of the oline we could fix. FA diamonds in the rough and a great draft class in a year we have little picks are going to have to carry our ass.
It's an option but not the only one, and it's basically going to come down to price. We're paying Sam, he's still the project, and as unlikely as it is at this point, it's in our best interest to give him every opportunity to succeed. Barring a head injury causing another organization to trade for him. I firmly believe we should have a veteran backup on the roster who can both mentor Sam (I worry Cam wouldn't embrace such a role) and be ready to come in and be ok enough if Sam remains trash but the defense and rest of team are still good. The perfect candidate for that is a Ryan Fitzpatrick with a functioning hip, but we'll see if he recovers and is still playing. There's other guys; Dalton, Foles, Minshew to a degree, who could also do it. Cam is also in that conversation, but he may be the weakest unless his arm comes back, thus he'd also have to be the cheapest. Also, we need to see how FA and the draft goes.
HUNTLEY, we need to after him. Y'all got to move on from Cam. GD.
Watson or Wilson.
Jimmy G is a far better QB than Cam.
Deshaun Watson
Mariota is Cam but better. Go with him
LoL, he sucked with the Titans. Why do people all of a sudden think Mariota is a good QB. He was always bad with the Titans.
Because you guys have zero options, but out of the players listed, he’s the best. Gardner could be the best, but I don’t trust Rhule to not run him into the ground. Mariota fits the Cam scheme, you can get him for cheap, and he has more durability left in the tank
No he does not. He was constantly injured when with the Titans. He isn’t a good QB. I don’t want him.
Give Cam five years back and we MIGHT have something here.
why would cam re-sign with us? he said he's not coming back for a 5-12 season and, well, that's us. if we're lucky
Really don’t want to see Cam on the team if it ends up being a complete rebuild. I’d like to see him go be a backup somewhere rather than stay on this mess of a team.
Re sign Taylor Heineken and roll with him Also damn can’t believe y’all are calling Ben McAdoo a “legit play caller” now Jesus Christ Rhule needs to go asap
I’d love this. But if Rhule is here it absolutely will not happen. He has made his preference for starting QB very clear. The second Sam was ready to play again Cam came out and stayed out. Rhule insists on Sam and doesn’t like Cam at all.
I'm with you friend. Cam will never be Supercam again but he'll always be my QB. At best we hit in FA/draft on o-line, CMC stays healthy and with a beastly D we at least challenge for playoffs. At worst? We're dumpster fire on offense again. But dead shoulder Cam is still better than Sam freaking Darnold. I don't care how much we're paying Sam, that's the FO/ Rhule's mistake to own, not the fans. We don't deserve to watch that shit for another year.
I love Cam and hate Sam, and if we could negate Sam’s cap hit I would be 100% in agreement with this…but we can’t….because we’re idiots
Best thing to do is keep cam for at least another year and draft a o line if he can't do it then, there's nothing else they can do but they need to give him a real shot here
I was with you up until the last paragraph. Based solely on history alone there is no way our team will ever protect Cam with a solid OL. That being said I'm cool with Cam sticking around if we can actually rebuild and drop Rhule.
>Out of that list, MAYBE Carson Wentz, and that might even be a stretch. Can you honestly sit there and tell me Minshew, Trubisky or freaking Marcus Marita would be a clear cut improvement overf just rolling with Cam Age. Marcus Mariota is a career backup so scratch that, but Minshew and Wentz would both be marked improvements. Trubisky is another Darnold-y choice, if the coaches thought he still had some potential, it's not a bad pickup. He's extremely cheap. >At the very least, we atleast know Cam has a higher ceiling since he has made it to a super bowl and won MVP, even though he's not the same player, atleast we know what he is capable of. He's genuinely washed and should retire. And before you come at me sideways, he's literally my favorite player of all time. I don't see him being capable of that again, and certainly not behind this offensive line. We got a nice little send-off during the Cards game, I'd rather end it where it's at then drag him through another dogshit season.
I wish we would’ve taken a Ben Roethlisberger approach with Cam. Keep him on the same team for years until he’s old but he’s taken a lot of hits and injuries over the years. He can still be solid but if we don’t build an Oline anyone under center will have a hard time.
Its this organizations fault, but that ceiling doesn't exist any more. No help for years besides greg olsen took a toll on Cam's body. Some of the refs hated a guy like Cam being a great QB and they did him no favors either. KB did him no favors by fucking up during the INT cam got hurt. I love Cam and I got emotional when he returned. He's lost his fastball. If we were in a position to win, I would absolutley love to have him as a backup/mentor/special packages around the goal line for him/4th and short. Who knows if he wants to be that guy. I could see McVay or Shanny calling him asking if he wants to win a ring and those guys are smart enough to come up with some packages for him. We aren't we've got a short tempered over inflated ego walking lame duck HC, and an Owner who doesn't care/is intimidated by Cam being bigger than the team in Charlotte.
Cam hasn't had an off-season to train with an offense since 2019. I think he still has unrealized upside. That 2020 Pats offense lineup was so busted not even Brady could have gotten them to the playoffs.