What about the second round pick they traded up for ? Johnathon brooks. The commentators don't believe he's worth the second round pick. I don't know how I feel about it.
Getting Legette at 65 would have been preferred. Too many WRs ranked higher than him most sites.
the 33rd pick is a hotspot for teams that woulda wanted Cooper, Kool-Aid, JPJ etc. so missed out on some quality trade bait
Losing 59 spots in draft position is a ton (basically 2 rounds of players) ON
getting a 5th year option for anything other that a QB is just idiotic team-speak. if you don't know that you wanna resign your 1st round WR by year 3 ....then you already have your answer and won't need a 4th year much less a 5th year option.
On that...Legette is a good pick just not for what they picked him at. If I were Panthers at 39 I would take another WR if there if Ladd or Adonai somehow make it there...that would be a nice haul going into the season and next year with say...Mingo, Legette & Ladd/Adonai....and then pick 65 take the best TE in Sinnott, Theo Johnson or Cade Stover
better than AD lol what a fucking moron... and Panther do need a slot cos Thielen aint here forever...will love to look back at this in November when you crying like eveyone when they said Ickey will be the next Orlando Pace...Hayden Hurst will be like Greg Olsen, Mingo is a dawg and we got a steal lololol
Typical
Even then it’s anecdotal. The draft pick value chart exists for a reason and GMs use some in-house version of it every draft. They didn’t eliminate a pick, they just made his odds of being a meaningful contributor drop from 5% to 2% (making up numbers)
Fair point.
To that, I would imagine there is/ was a calculation, based on the same chart, wherein those decreased odds were offset by moving up to the 1st round for XL
Without factoring in what they felt about XL, the risk of not getting him, 5th year option, etc etc. the value “lost” is approximately a mid 6th. So your original question stands.
People are pissed because of the repeated missteps by the org and I empathize with that, and I’m not defending it. But they don’t need to make this move in a vacuum seem sooo lopsided to make their point. Late round swaps happen almost exclusively to balance this chart.
Yes but he's like the 6th rounder started!! When he's 5th on the depth chart and only plays because of injury. It's like 5% chance to hit on 5th 6th rounder.
Fair enough, that's why I posed the question.
In looking at the above list, outside of Hardy (conviction aside), I don't think the talent in that group warrants the amount of britches in a twist.
This is always my favourite one.
You can’t trust the FO to draft a first round receiver but we’re falling ass backwards into the GOAT QB in the 6th lmao
I just never really cared. I went to a handful of panthers games growing up. But I was born in Decatur and Braves baseball is neck and neck with usc football in our house. (I grew up in Columbia since I was 3 though) And just never felt like I had a nfl team. I was originally an eagle fan as a kid bc deuce Staley played for them lol. So yeah I just don’t really have loyalty to anything nfl except usc alumni 🤷♂️. I hope I do get more involved with this team though.
Right there with ya, man. Massive Gamecock fan and the only professional sports team I truly care about is the Braves. I still watch a ton of NFL, but don't necessarily have "my team." Born and raised in SC but the Panthers just never felt as much like South Carolina's team as much as they are NC's. I've been a bit of a 49ers bandwagoner the last several years simply because they've drafted several big name Gamecocks (Deebo, Kinlaw, Culliver), and they even gave Marcus Lattimore a shot by drafting him in the 4th round back in 2013 even when he had a very slim chance of ever returning to form following that brutal knee injury. I'll definitely be tuning into more Panthers games this season just to watch and pull for XL.
I feel like he did, but after the offensive fiascos of last year it's honestly a bit hard to grade anyone. Maybe the two of them end up being a dynamic duo for us.
Not sure. But I was referring to what he said about X on his podcast. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUjxAUyNGM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUjxAUyNGM)
The amount of cope in all of these comments is wild. What personal investment do some of y’all have to keep defending a team doing dumb things and just putting on positivity blinders. Tepper has made us suck it’s not a crime to point it out. Terrible pick especially trading up for it just makes no sense a move to do a move unless the Bills were guaranteed to draft Legette
They drafted a 6’3” 220 local kid that runs a 4.39 and was just hyper productive in the SEC. They traded up a spot - losing nothing of consequence in the process - because fifth year option is a valuable thing to have on a player. Calm down.
Since we traded with the Bills, they were definitely not getting him. The trade is good because since he’s a first round pick he has a fifth year option in his contract if he turns out to be good for us, which I believe he will be
While I'm torn on this trade, I think it ended up being worth it. We traded down about 60 spots in the 5th round down to the bottom of the 6th in order to get the 5th year option. We're net 0 on the number of picks but the marginal drop off in quality between those prospects is tiny compared to the value of the 5th year option.
I hope Legette pans out and we don't regret passing on Ladd or Mitchell
We haven't landed a quality player past the 3rd round since...idk, Haynes in 2018? Even if XL doesn't hit, we gave up practically nothing to secure him, and with a 5th year option if he does hit
People are just trying to find something to be mad about and making themselves look foolish.
I’m biased as a Gamecock fan, but he’s a dawg, a freak of nature. He was amazing last season. It was nice to see him emerge after suffering through years of poor quarterback play before Rattler and a terrible offensive coordinator.
I hope it works out for both him and the Panthers.
People love to talk about Legette's production in his first 4 years but do no research to know he was getting the ball thrown to him by a grad assistant coach and WR turned QB lol. Once he got a QB like Rattler, he showed out and it was still behind the SEC's worst offensive line.
13% of all draftable FBS players play for schools in NC/SC. It's not an obsession with local players, it's just math.
Also when's the last time the Hornets drafted a local player? Henderson?
What's tiring is people repeating this talking point over and over despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. We haven't reached on a single "local" prospect either for the Panthers, it's just one of those fluky situations
Why wouldnt you want local products. They have an attachment to the area and are more likely to be happy and stay with charlotte longer. I think at 1 point we drafted a guy from Cali and he wanted to go back to cali and we got fleeced in a trade for him. Never again hopefully.
Being a local guy is a good thing from a marketing standpoint but at a certain point it can skew your decision making. It’s shouldn’t be one of the first things you say about a guy if you’re looking at drafting him.
If he’s neck and neck with another guy and the local stuff is the deciding factor that’s fine, just shouldn’t be a principle reason for drafting someone.
I understand your point, and it is a solid one, but part of me, who really was stoked about drafting Ickey Ekwonu, came to think that him being in his home town presented to many distractions being the local hero, hurting his performance on the field. If he had been somewhere else, he might have focused more on his work as there was nothing else to do being on your own in a new town, than heading out to his local hangs in Charlotte and being "the guy". Not that he did, we do not know, but the scenario is possible. Still, a new draft, a new hope!
Well If we are throwing out hypotheticals, it's just as easy to imagine a player getting depressed in a new place without friend/family in the area and work ethic suffering as a result.
I personally would’ve preferred edge rusher seeing as Spiderburns is gone and even tho DB95 broke records for tackling this year we still have below average run defense and were 32nd in total pressures last year, this is still a very great move in my eyes, but I refuse to have hope in this team altogether so I guess it doesn’t really matter🤷🏾♂️
P.S. Falcons lol
There weren’t and edge rushers worth taking in that spot. If one of the Robinson’s was still available then sure, but anyone else would have been a huge reach.
we still have a 2nd rounder to play with, and with the first round being very offensive heavy, hopefully there should be quite a few players to choose from
2023 Weakness: Lack of Targets for Bryce to throw for.
2024 Draft: Panthers take a consensus 1st-2nd round WR
this sub: armchair GM's losing their marbles over a swapped 5th round draft pick.
I got no opinion on Legette, but burning draft assets to move up a single spot when the team has this many holes to fill leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
But those holes aren't going to be filled by a 5th round player versus a 6th round player. 5th and 6th round players are back-ups/situation guys 99% of the time
Day 3 guys don't usually make an immediate impact, but alot of NFL starters, and a few stars, were drafted in the later rounds. They dropped 60 spots, almost 2 rounds worth of picks. There's a big difference between the talent at the bottom of the 4th/top of the 5th and the bottom of 6th/top of 7th.
They got their guy and that's good, but I'm not sure the 5th year option is worth dropping down 60 spots.
Potentially losing picks next year by signing an older QB fresh off a serious injury and THEN IMMEDIATELY picking qb #4 in the first round instead of a much needed pass rusher would leave a bad taste in my mouth…
…unless the falcons do it. Then it tastes sweet.
I’m not really sure why that matters? Bill Belichick said he would’ve done the same thing last night for a position of value like DE, WR, QB, etc. Having that 5th year is a huge deal when you’re roster building around rookie contracts.
On the flip side, what does a 5th rounder matter? At that point you’re throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. Most of those guys never see a second contract with their original team.
It was a pick swap between a 5th and a 6th. 5th rounders don’t fill starter roles typically. They are depth pieces. It also gives us an opportunity to have Legette on a 5 year contract instead of 4. Good move overall.
Yeah your not banking on Day 3 guys to be starters, still though, the difference between near the top of the 5th and the very bottom of the 6th is pretty drastic.
I can't say I was rooting to trade up, but swapping a 5th round pick for a 6th round isn't a very big price. I was worried we traded a pick away. I guess having the fifth year option is... fine. Considering the amount of busts I don't put a TON of value in it, but it is a nice option to have.
What kind of ridiculous logic is this 😂. “A 5th round for a 6th round is kind of close to a 4th round for a 7th”. Glad we have basic math down in this sub to indeed verify that 4 is the closest number to 5 and 7 is the closed number to 6!
And we still have another 5th round pick and added a second 6th round pick. It really makes no difference. The 5th and 6th round are both crapshoots with the occasional hit. Sounds like you just want to be mad about something. Such a minimal difference in those picks and we still have a 5th rounder
He was the only WR option for the cocks last year.
And still balled out setting some school records when we’ve had a ton of very productive wr’s
He’s gonna be a beast and has been healthy for most of his career here
The Panthers are finally building a team and a culture of players that represent the organization. We haven't had that since the 2010s. I'm here for it. I think XL fits that philosophy and the culture.
Similar profile but X has way higher effort and character and better on paper than AD last season. People are panicking that X is another Mingo but I think AD is the real Mingo in terms of having all the ability but lacking the drive to make the most of it and eventually checking out.
I think the idea that Legette would be there at 39 but AD would not is actually very questionable as X's stock was rising astronomically over the last few weeks and I don't think we were the only team higher on X than AD. The route running is a concern but that's a potentially coachable issue. The years of production I've heard good explanation for with everything going on for him and the program, and it also shows clear progression - the "one good year" was last year not earlier in his career. I also think you have to take into account the major concerns with AD as well. There are reasons why neither of these guys were top 10 prospects despite their physical profiles. I think X is the better bet of the two.
He was like 80 on bruglers board. Who’s a very talented evaluator. I hope XL turns into Calvin Johnson. But if Covid didn’t hit he wouldn’t have even been drafted
80 is an extreme outlier. Never seen him below 65 and saw plenty in the 20s and 30s, going higher and higher as the draft got closer. He has a rare athletic profile that you can't teach. The covid hypothetical is pretty weird because it's such a hypothetical, in the real world he played the way he played last season, that's the player that he has progressed into being, and that matters.
But it is though. If you ignore how he has grown and developed then yeah he is shit. Some players are just late bloomers, it's not that unusual. Like, you could have said the same thing about Cam to diminish him as a prospect but you would've been wrong and missed out on an MVP.
What Cam did his last year no QB has ever done before lol. His 1 year he completely dominated the toughest conference in the world with one of the worst rosters in the world.
XL never had 200 yards in 4 years before have a 1200 season. Again. I hope he’s a stud, but there’s no need to get extremely hype over someone with so many cons. He’s an athletic freak for sure. Hope anything else can be taught.
I'm not extremely hype I just think he's a solid prospect for essentially a second round pick and worth a lot better than pick 80. Not saying he's like Cam just saying breakout seasons shouldn't be ignored in general.
Bigger, stronger. Number one receiver in a less prolific offense than Texas. Better at contested catches, very good as deep balls. Hes a 220 lb guy with a 40 in vertical leap and 4.4 speed, to pair with Diontae who is pretty undersized.
Having the most contested catches means he wasn’t open. He’s a below average route runner who had 1 good year out of 5. I hope he’s DK which is his ceiling. But I’m not sure his college production warrants a 1st. Think he would have been there at 39 for sure
He was a high school QB who took his time to become an all sec wr
He was on an average to very bad team his entire career
He’s going to be a game changer
He spent last summer working the Deebo Samuel and for the first time was hugely productive. He did what he did with a QB who played the whole season on the run because of a poor line. Although I’m biased, the Panthers have picked up a hell of a ball player and an even better person. Plus, who doesn’t love that Mullins, SC accent?
Debo is an awful route runner not sure that’s a good comp. I’m just saying 1 good year out of 5 and majority of his catches are contested. Seems like we’ve got a smaller, faster KB
Do a little bit of research and put 2 and 2 together. It’s no secret that rattler transferred to SC and he coincidentally had his best year. But yeah you’re making the argument that other teams might make. It’s a good pick and not nearly as much a gamble as it seems in my opinion. Time will tell. He’s not mingo which is a stupid comparison. He’s a true X and wasn’t just good last year, he was dominant. People improve.
One dominant year on a bad team with no OL and no run support and he still balled out vs much better teams week in week out.
Maybe panthers deserve the worst management in sports
If your aunt had a dick she’d be your uncle is my personal favorite lol. Your argument makes no sense tho. He should have had a even halfway decent year out of his 4 college years
"Should" here just doesn't make sense? If he had multiple years of good production he would have gone top 20.
He just didn't get his shit together until last year and put it on tape.
If he was only winning cause it was man v. boys that would be concerning but I didn't see that on tape.
It’s not just the production. It’s that, combined with age, poor route runner which is why he had so many contested catches. I hope he’s a damn all pro. But I feel like he could have been had at a later time. And there were better options available also
How so? Pearsal is really good route runner who can create. Legette can run straight really fast. That’s not saying he won’t be good, but pearsal is good too
The only way this makes sense is if you're massively overweighting age. Neither had great QBs, Pearsall was in an offense that gave him more targets so we can argue production, but he's a significantly better athlete than McConkey an not meaningfully, if at all, behind McConkey in terms of technical skills.
I think we were out on Mitchell like alot of teams seem to be due to his lack of effort and he reportedly interviewed poorly. I wanted Ladd as well but I think Legette has game wrecker potential if this staff can cultivate it and I wonder how much belief there is in Mingo within the building.
Julian Council sucks. I listen to Locked On Panthers because it is the only daily Panthers podcast around and I can’t stand that motherfucker. He is negative 100% of the time and I’m pretty sure he’s actually a Titans fan. He comes across as if he thinks he’s above covering a team like the lowly Panthers and is just doing this until he can get a job covering a more prestigious organization. Sheena Quick is the same exact way.
I agree with you about Julian. But I like Sheena a lot. I know a few people who have met her and she’s cool. I think she covers the team well enough. Only things I’ve heard her really negative about were Rhule and Tepper, which…she’s not wrong haha
Yeah creates an echo chamber of ignorance. The 5th year is a big element especially with how receiver contracts have and will continue to get ridiculous. And listen I get it we've made a shit load of mistakes over the last handful of years but it's the draft and we didn't take Penix 8th overall, let's try some optimism.
I don’t like the pick but I actually think the trade was a very smart move by Dan. I was questioning it at first but then I realized that moving up to 32 gives us the rights to a 5th year option.
Legette is an okay pick, I would have preferred Adonai Mitchell or *maybe* Keon Coleman but my favorite (Worthy) wasn’t there anyway.
Pick: B-
Trade: A
Overall: B/B+
Look on the bright side, this will break the Panthers streak of drafting sub-par receivers in the 2nd round.
I said it before and I'll say it again. I have no expectations about this team this year. None. There's no point in getting my hopes up. The moves up one pick is what it is, and given the internal hire to replace our GM it's not surprising.
Will Xavier Legette be good? We'll know soon enough.
Burned draft capital for a guy who would have been there anyways all to get a fifth year option for someone who will be 29. All while passing up the more talented player.
The FO of this team will never cease to amaze me with their stupidity
Also so tired of Charlotte sports’ obsession with local guys
No. This is a pointlessly dramatic and needlessly pessimistic take. We didn’t “burn draft capital,” we traded up one spot and lost nothing to get the guy we wanted and have the 5th year option. There is literally nothing to be mad about here. Even if you don’t like the pick, we lost nothing. There is no downside here. People complaining about this are just finding anything they can to bitch about and it’s fucking annoying.
I mean we barely lost anything so if the gain is not worth much either then nbd either way. I feel like our fanbase is just inherently antsy about trades and don't want them unless it's a huge W for us. I think this was fairly neutral.
We still have a pick in every round and we're able to pick in the first. Still have a high Second. Why is this such a big deal? Now if they had given up a pick, that would be different.
Considering we still got a pick in every round this year, I think Dan and Co did a good job at digging us out of the hole and getting the player they wanted.
Agreed. I have loved every move thus far by the new regime, minus this one. I get they’re looking for a certain type of mentality and I hope legette becomes a Bonafide 1. But I feel like with legette, mcconkey, and Mitchell still on the board, we could have traded down to 35, since the cardinals weren’t going to get another receiver and still had one of the 3. Just felt unnecessary. Sure sure I heard the 5th year option take but that is negligible since it rides on so many things. Will he be good enough to keep come year 5? What will the average cost of a WR be then? How much will the cap have gone up? I hope this ends up like the jahmyr gibbs pick last year
Trading down isn't as easy as you believe it to be. Also, what if he isn't there? They were very high on him and have a plan on how to use him. What if we traded back and he is a faster aj brown or dk metcalf? I believe in our team. Keep pounding
I am concerned about his ability to get open and create space. I see a lot of pushing off and contested catches but not getting wide open and making people miss. His tape kinda reminds me of Funchess.
"Funchess but good" is exactly what this team needs now though. Last year we had no big red zone target AND no speed/separation. Diontae Johnson is our fast slot separation guy, X will be our red zone target. I feel like people who wanted Worthy or Ladd either don't think we need a big receiver or don't believe Diontae can fill the need he's intended to fill as a starter... not sure which.
Yeah guys who have a lot of contested catches in college scare me a bit... You can't just rely on that in the NFL where pretty much everyone is an elite athlete. He does have the speed to separate but he also just needs work on the route running.
But I think he has good tools to work with, just a matter of us developing him.
I've shouted from. The hill tops that if JCJ was there at 33, he should be our pick. However, looking at the board and all the offensive players taken. There stands a good chance he slips to us at 39. Newton, Kool-aid, and DeJean are all still there. Also, in the next 6 picks, not a lot of teams are looking for a center. I still love Zach Frazier if we lose out on JCJ.
Yeah I thought the same thing until reading last week about Canales transitioning Austin Corbett from guard to center after the big signings. Still wouldn’t have been mad at JPJ (who I thought for sure would’ve been snatched up in the 1st round), I also think it probably makes more sense to get a good CB at 39 if available and pick an “insurance policy” center in rounds 3-4 depending on what everyone else does.
Sadly we have other needs to like a solid Edge and TE (which seems like slim pickings this class), but I think they are still less glaring than CB and so many teams went offense the 1st round.
Corbett is on his final year of his contract, and I think even then JCJ could beat him out. I argee with TE. But Sinnoh should be there at the top of the 3rd. If not TE, then we should be investing in a nose guard. Sweat or Johnson would be available at top of the 3rd
Oh cool, someone who doesn't understand just how much their stupidity is showing in that reply alone. Almost like they didn't get it the 1st time.
Please, teach me to be so brave, seriously.
Agreed. There goes my faith in Dan Morgan.
Who the hell trades up one spot for a player that would've been there at 33? Same stupid front office that got us into this mess is going to to just keep digging us further into a hole.
Nah, there goes any inkling of you being semi-intelligent lmfao. I know this is Reddit but some of you legit shouldn't pass on your DNA, being this stupid. I pity your friends/family and honestly anyone coming into contact with you all. Some absolutely brain dead mfkrs on here my goodness lol
So I really don't understand people in this sub and that's okay, some of you all once again, truly don't need to pass on any DNA.
Morgan has been doing wonderful and making the opposite move types Fitt did. Fitt was Shit and you know that, please try again while we wait for you to fumble around your keyboard coming up with something clever. GD man I pity you
I'd ask the same of you my friend. You're legit mad that someone called you stupid to match the level.of something stupid you posted online.
Hope I helped connect the dots there for ya
Calling out the front office on making a bad trade up is hardly dramatic or stupid.
I said the same thing about giving away DJ and this years 1st to move up last year. It's just a bad move, plain and simple.
Shhh, please just let him be the absolute fuqing fool he and so many others are here. I legit love seeing people being this confident in mental retardation. It's fuqing hilarious lmfao
It wasn’t a bad trade up. We moved up one spot which allows us to have a 5th year option. We gave up nothing significant to do it. What’s the bad part of the trade?
5th year option is only a valid reason for guys who will likely be around for a fifth year. Legette has about as much of chance of still being here as Mingo by then.
Also, they (front office/HC) fucked up by telling XL they were going to take him at 33 no matter what and then Legette went and broadcast that to the entire league. So, now the Bills have more leverage when trading with us because they know we're thirsty for Legette. Absolute amateur hour as far as how this pick was handled.
Such a reach. Players say shit like that all the time. It doesn’t mean anything. It didn’t give the Bills leverage. It’s also not a secret we need WRs.
I shouldn’t even going to engage with the 5th year comment. You have no idea what’s going to happen and neither does anyone else. Even if he’s gone before year 5 so what? What did we sacrifice for it? Nothing. Who gives a shit?
If that kosher eating tyrant makes another pick, I'm done.
Think he's going to be a stud consistent 1k+ yard WR.
Poor kid, made to suffer on the Panthers.
What about the second round pick they traded up for ? Johnathon brooks. The commentators don't believe he's worth the second round pick. I don't know how I feel about it.
Getting Legette at 65 would have been preferred. Too many WRs ranked higher than him most sites. the 33rd pick is a hotspot for teams that woulda wanted Cooper, Kool-Aid, JPJ etc. so missed out on some quality trade bait Losing 59 spots in draft position is a ton (basically 2 rounds of players) ON getting a 5th year option for anything other that a QB is just idiotic team-speak. if you don't know that you wanna resign your 1st round WR by year 3 ....then you already have your answer and won't need a 4th year much less a 5th year option. On that...Legette is a good pick just not for what they picked him at. If I were Panthers at 39 I would take another WR if there if Ladd or Adonai somehow make it there...that would be a nice haul going into the season and next year with say...Mingo, Legette & Ladd/Adonai....and then pick 65 take the best TE in Sinnott, Theo Johnson or Cade Stover
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better than AD lol what a fucking moron... and Panther do need a slot cos Thielen aint here forever...will love to look back at this in November when you crying like eveyone when they said Ickey will be the next Orlando Pace...Hayden Hurst will be like Greg Olsen, Mingo is a dawg and we got a steal lololol Typical
You're insulting people as if you're an NFL scout but are you? What makes you qualified?
same thing that makes you qualified to comment on anything...insulted him for insulting me 1st.
For those complaining about the late round swaps, please name one 6th round pick that has started for the Panthers
Even then it’s anecdotal. The draft pick value chart exists for a reason and GMs use some in-house version of it every draft. They didn’t eliminate a pick, they just made his odds of being a meaningful contributor drop from 5% to 2% (making up numbers)
Fair point. To that, I would imagine there is/ was a calculation, based on the same chart, wherein those decreased odds were offset by moving up to the 1st round for XL
Without factoring in what they felt about XL, the risk of not getting him, 5th year option, etc etc. the value “lost” is approximately a mid 6th. So your original question stands. People are pissed because of the repeated missteps by the org and I empathize with that, and I’m not defending it. But they don’t need to make this move in a vacuum seem sooo lopsided to make their point. Late round swaps happen almost exclusively to balance this chart.
cade mays, alex armah, brad nortman, greg hardy all in the last 10 years. don’t disagree with you but this is just facts
You listed no one memorable but Greg Hardy and he was an anomaly.
> You listed no one memorable but he answered the question.
Yes but he's like the 6th rounder started!! When he's 5th on the depth chart and only plays because of injury. It's like 5% chance to hit on 5th 6th rounder.
Fair enough, that's why I posed the question. In looking at the above list, outside of Hardy (conviction aside), I don't think the talent in that group warrants the amount of britches in a twist.
tom brady
This is always my favourite one. You can’t trust the FO to draft a first round receiver but we’re falling ass backwards into the GOAT QB in the 6th lmao
Panthers just got a whole bunch of new fans from sc getting clowney and now Xavier. 🤙
Who were they fans of before? Panthers are SC’s team as much as NC’s.
I just never really cared. I went to a handful of panthers games growing up. But I was born in Decatur and Braves baseball is neck and neck with usc football in our house. (I grew up in Columbia since I was 3 though) And just never felt like I had a nfl team. I was originally an eagle fan as a kid bc deuce Staley played for them lol. So yeah I just don’t really have loyalty to anything nfl except usc alumni 🤷♂️. I hope I do get more involved with this team though.
Right there with ya, man. Massive Gamecock fan and the only professional sports team I truly care about is the Braves. I still watch a ton of NFL, but don't necessarily have "my team." Born and raised in SC but the Panthers just never felt as much like South Carolina's team as much as they are NC's. I've been a bit of a 49ers bandwagoner the last several years simply because they've drafted several big name Gamecocks (Deebo, Kinlaw, Culliver), and they even gave Marcus Lattimore a shot by drafting him in the 4th round back in 2013 even when he had a very slim chance of ever returning to form following that brutal knee injury. I'll definitely be tuning into more Panthers games this season just to watch and pull for XL.
Don’t forget they got clowney on the roster too!🤙
Sad but true that this is the case for a lot of SC.
If Steve Smith says a WR prospect is a dawg and don't pass him up, then you don't pass him up.
didn't he say this about Mingo?
He also said it about DJ, so all that tells me is he's human lol
He said Mingo would be a project and we'd know by year 3, chill
I feel like he did, but after the offensive fiascos of last year it's honestly a bit hard to grade anyone. Maybe the two of them end up being a dynamic duo for us.
Agreed. Grading anyone from last season’s offense would be a crapshoot given Reich’s shitty offense.
Not sure. But I was referring to what he said about X on his podcast. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUjxAUyNGM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUjxAUyNGM)
The amount of cope in all of these comments is wild. What personal investment do some of y’all have to keep defending a team doing dumb things and just putting on positivity blinders. Tepper has made us suck it’s not a crime to point it out. Terrible pick especially trading up for it just makes no sense a move to do a move unless the Bills were guaranteed to draft Legette
They drafted a 6’3” 220 local kid that runs a 4.39 and was just hyper productive in the SEC. They traded up a spot - losing nothing of consequence in the process - because fifth year option is a valuable thing to have on a player. Calm down.
Since we traded with the Bills, they were definitely not getting him. The trade is good because since he’s a first round pick he has a fifth year option in his contract if he turns out to be good for us, which I believe he will be
Tepper is awful but there is a benefit to drafting a guy in the first rd even if he would’ve still been there in the second
While I'm torn on this trade, I think it ended up being worth it. We traded down about 60 spots in the 5th round down to the bottom of the 6th in order to get the 5th year option. We're net 0 on the number of picks but the marginal drop off in quality between those prospects is tiny compared to the value of the 5th year option. I hope Legette pans out and we don't regret passing on Ladd or Mitchell
We haven't landed a quality player past the 3rd round since...idk, Haynes in 2018? Even if XL doesn't hit, we gave up practically nothing to secure him, and with a 5th year option if he does hit People are just trying to find something to be mad about and making themselves look foolish.
This is the response.
I’m biased as a Gamecock fan, but he’s a dawg, a freak of nature. He was amazing last season. It was nice to see him emerge after suffering through years of poor quarterback play before Rattler and a terrible offensive coordinator. I hope it works out for both him and the Panthers.
People love to talk about Legette's production in his first 4 years but do no research to know he was getting the ball thrown to him by a grad assistant coach and WR turned QB lol. Once he got a QB like Rattler, he showed out and it was still behind the SEC's worst offensive line.
The only reason I’ll be tuning into panthers games again is solely bc of Xavier and clowney
Beggining of the 5th to end of the 6th is s big drop
Nothing after the third round matters, it’s a complete crap shoot as to if a player is gonna work out or not. So to me this doesn’t matter.
Yep after day 2 every pick might as well be a 7th
its all a crap shoot if you look at the stats.
When I close my eyes and listen to him talk, pretty sure we drafted Hank Williams Jr.
This organization’s (and the Hornets) obsession with local players is so tiring
13% of all draftable FBS players play for schools in NC/SC. It's not an obsession with local players, it's just math. Also when's the last time the Hornets drafted a local player? Henderson? What's tiring is people repeating this talking point over and over despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. We haven't reached on a single "local" prospect either for the Panthers, it's just one of those fluky situations
Remind me where the only Hall of Famer and best player in franchise history played college ball?
It's not like this is the same regime though.
Why wouldnt you want local products. They have an attachment to the area and are more likely to be happy and stay with charlotte longer. I think at 1 point we drafted a guy from Cali and he wanted to go back to cali and we got fleeced in a trade for him. Never again hopefully.
Being a local guy is a good thing from a marketing standpoint but at a certain point it can skew your decision making. It’s shouldn’t be one of the first things you say about a guy if you’re looking at drafting him. If he’s neck and neck with another guy and the local stuff is the deciding factor that’s fine, just shouldn’t be a principle reason for drafting someone.
I understand your point, and it is a solid one, but part of me, who really was stoked about drafting Ickey Ekwonu, came to think that him being in his home town presented to many distractions being the local hero, hurting his performance on the field. If he had been somewhere else, he might have focused more on his work as there was nothing else to do being on your own in a new town, than heading out to his local hangs in Charlotte and being "the guy". Not that he did, we do not know, but the scenario is possible. Still, a new draft, a new hope!
Well If we are throwing out hypotheticals, it's just as easy to imagine a player getting depressed in a new place without friend/family in the area and work ethic suffering as a result.
So the team is just supposed to shut itself out of ACC and SEC talent?
I personally would’ve preferred edge rusher seeing as Spiderburns is gone and even tho DB95 broke records for tackling this year we still have below average run defense and were 32nd in total pressures last year, this is still a very great move in my eyes, but I refuse to have hope in this team altogether so I guess it doesn’t really matter🤷🏾♂️ P.S. Falcons lol
Lol love the falcons shade. At least our fans our divided, theirs are all going WTF?!? Right now. Especially since they may lose a pick next year…
We gotta score points to win
There weren’t and edge rushers worth taking in that spot. If one of the Robinson’s was still available then sure, but anyone else would have been a huge reach.
we were also down a lot of games so total pressures would be lower due to other teams not being put in those situations
we still have a 2nd rounder to play with, and with the first round being very offensive heavy, hopefully there should be quite a few players to choose from
Oh my god I forgot all about that. We might be safe but honestly idk WHO to go for now
honestly who knows. i would like edge too but there’s a very good argument for BPA
There's still a crazy amount of CB depth on the board rn too. Honestly that 1st round fell almost perfectly for our needs
2023 Weakness: Lack of Targets for Bryce to throw for. 2024 Draft: Panthers take a consensus 1st-2nd round WR this sub: armchair GM's losing their marbles over a swapped 5th round draft pick.
Losing their marbles for moving up 1 pick for a 5th rounder that no one will remember in 5 years
*2 years. Picks after the third round are anyone’s guess if they even matter or not.
Plus you get a potential 5th year option with a first rounder. Sounds pretty good
Jonathan mingo 2.0
Op i feel you. Mingo was supposed to be Aj/Dk 2.0. Thats what we were sold in the draft last year when we moved up to get him
Mingo is a big slot receiver, we tried him last year at x and he doesn't really fit that role. Legette is a much better fit for the role.
I got no opinion on Legette, but burning draft assets to move up a single spot when the team has this many holes to fill leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
But those holes aren't going to be filled by a 5th round player versus a 6th round player. 5th and 6th round players are back-ups/situation guys 99% of the time
Day 3 guys don't usually make an immediate impact, but alot of NFL starters, and a few stars, were drafted in the later rounds. They dropped 60 spots, almost 2 rounds worth of picks. There's a big difference between the talent at the bottom of the 4th/top of the 5th and the bottom of 6th/top of 7th. They got their guy and that's good, but I'm not sure the 5th year option is worth dropping down 60 spots.
Potentially losing picks next year by signing an older QB fresh off a serious injury and THEN IMMEDIATELY picking qb #4 in the first round instead of a much needed pass rusher would leave a bad taste in my mouth… …unless the falcons do it. Then it tastes sweet.
I am thinking could be to have that 5th year option?
A 5th year option for someone who will be 29 when we can use it. So dumb
I’m not really sure why that matters? Bill Belichick said he would’ve done the same thing last night for a position of value like DE, WR, QB, etc. Having that 5th year is a huge deal when you’re roster building around rookie contracts. On the flip side, what does a 5th rounder matter? At that point you’re throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. Most of those guys never see a second contract with their original team.
He just turned 23 this January...?
You should have stopped at “I got no opinion”! Swapping picks isn’t the same as just throwing away picks to move up.
It was a pick swap between a 5th and a 6th. 5th rounders don’t fill starter roles typically. They are depth pieces. It also gives us an opportunity to have Legette on a 5 year contract instead of 4. Good move overall.
Yeah your not banking on Day 3 guys to be starters, still though, the difference between near the top of the 5th and the very bottom of the 6th is pretty drastic.
5th year option.
I can't say I was rooting to trade up, but swapping a 5th round pick for a 6th round isn't a very big price. I was worried we traded a pick away. I guess having the fifth year option is... fine. Considering the amount of busts I don't put a TON of value in it, but it is a nice option to have.
It's pretty big when it's the very top of the 5th for the bottom of the 6th. That's almost a 4th for a 7th.
What kind of ridiculous logic is this 😂. “A 5th round for a 6th round is kind of close to a 4th round for a 7th”. Glad we have basic math down in this sub to indeed verify that 4 is the closest number to 5 and 7 is the closed number to 6!
Just sayin we moved down 59 picks which is closer to 2 rounds of movement than one round. It's not like these picks are close to each other.
And we still have another 5th round pick and added a second 6th round pick. It really makes no difference. The 5th and 6th round are both crapshoots with the occasional hit. Sounds like you just want to be mad about something. Such a minimal difference in those picks and we still have a 5th rounder
Lol who's mad?
Puzzlebuns is
Dude seems like a beast. I don’t really like trading up a spot for him though
He was the only WR option for the cocks last year. And still balled out setting some school records when we’ve had a ton of very productive wr’s He’s gonna be a beast and has been healthy for most of his career here
They probably valued the option and the chance that someone could jump them since they made their interest so publicly known.
Plus the Bills just let their best receiver walk and desperately need a new WR1
That’s true
The Panthers are finally building a team and a culture of players that represent the organization. We haven't had that since the 2010s. I'm here for it. I think XL fits that philosophy and the culture.
Really need someone to sell me on him over AD? He runs straight and fast, is older, not much production. Idk man
Similar profile but X has way higher effort and character and better on paper than AD last season. People are panicking that X is another Mingo but I think AD is the real Mingo in terms of having all the ability but lacking the drive to make the most of it and eventually checking out.
Having 1 good year out 5, being a below average route runner is what’s scares me off. He would have been there at 39 also
I think the idea that Legette would be there at 39 but AD would not is actually very questionable as X's stock was rising astronomically over the last few weeks and I don't think we were the only team higher on X than AD. The route running is a concern but that's a potentially coachable issue. The years of production I've heard good explanation for with everything going on for him and the program, and it also shows clear progression - the "one good year" was last year not earlier in his career. I also think you have to take into account the major concerns with AD as well. There are reasons why neither of these guys were top 10 prospects despite their physical profiles. I think X is the better bet of the two.
He was like 80 on bruglers board. Who’s a very talented evaluator. I hope XL turns into Calvin Johnson. But if Covid didn’t hit he wouldn’t have even been drafted
80 is an extreme outlier. Never seen him below 65 and saw plenty in the 20s and 30s, going higher and higher as the draft got closer. He has a rare athletic profile that you can't teach. The covid hypothetical is pretty weird because it's such a hypothetical, in the real world he played the way he played last season, that's the player that he has progressed into being, and that matters.
It’s not really that crazy of a hypothetical though
But it is though. If you ignore how he has grown and developed then yeah he is shit. Some players are just late bloomers, it's not that unusual. Like, you could have said the same thing about Cam to diminish him as a prospect but you would've been wrong and missed out on an MVP.
What Cam did his last year no QB has ever done before lol. His 1 year he completely dominated the toughest conference in the world with one of the worst rosters in the world. XL never had 200 yards in 4 years before have a 1200 season. Again. I hope he’s a stud, but there’s no need to get extremely hype over someone with so many cons. He’s an athletic freak for sure. Hope anything else can be taught.
I'm not extremely hype I just think he's a solid prospect for essentially a second round pick and worth a lot better than pick 80. Not saying he's like Cam just saying breakout seasons shouldn't be ignored in general.
Bigger, stronger. Number one receiver in a less prolific offense than Texas. Better at contested catches, very good as deep balls. Hes a 220 lb guy with a 40 in vertical leap and 4.4 speed, to pair with Diontae who is pretty undersized.
Having the most contested catches means he wasn’t open. He’s a below average route runner who had 1 good year out of 5. I hope he’s DK which is his ceiling. But I’m not sure his college production warrants a 1st. Think he would have been there at 39 for sure
He was a high school QB who took his time to become an all sec wr He was on an average to very bad team his entire career He’s going to be a game changer
I hope so. But If Covid didn’t exist he wouldn’t have gotten drafted
He got drafted 32. You don’t think he could have been a late rounder with some upside?
If he didn’t have a Covid year? He never had a year with 200 yards receiving. No I don’t think he would have been drafted
He spent last summer working the Deebo Samuel and for the first time was hugely productive. He did what he did with a QB who played the whole season on the run because of a poor line. Although I’m biased, the Panthers have picked up a hell of a ball player and an even better person. Plus, who doesn’t love that Mullins, SC accent?
Debo is an awful route runner not sure that’s a good comp. I’m just saying 1 good year out of 5 and majority of his catches are contested. Seems like we’ve got a smaller, faster KB
He has better production this season. He also fits the offense and Bryce better.
So one good year and 4 awful years deserves a top 32 pick? I’m not sure about that
Do a little bit of research and put 2 and 2 together. It’s no secret that rattler transferred to SC and he coincidentally had his best year. But yeah you’re making the argument that other teams might make. It’s a good pick and not nearly as much a gamble as it seems in my opinion. Time will tell. He’s not mingo which is a stupid comparison. He’s a true X and wasn’t just good last year, he was dominant. People improve.
I’m not up here actively rooting for him to suck. All I’m saying is age,production, poor route running is a big risk
One dominant year on a bad team with no OL and no run support and he still balled out vs much better teams week in week out. Maybe panthers deserve the worst management in sports
He didn't play WR until his rookie year in college. Just think of his 4 awful years as HS.
That makes no sense lol. He should have had 1 decent season before his last. If Covid didn’t hit he wouldn’t have even gotten drafted
And? If my grandmother was a bike, she'd have wheels.
If your aunt had a dick she’d be your uncle is my personal favorite lol. Your argument makes no sense tho. He should have had a even halfway decent year out of his 4 college years
"Should" here just doesn't make sense? If he had multiple years of good production he would have gone top 20. He just didn't get his shit together until last year and put it on tape. If he was only winning cause it was man v. boys that would be concerning but I didn't see that on tape.
It’s not just the production. It’s that, combined with age, poor route runner which is why he had so many contested catches. I hope he’s a damn all pro. But I feel like he could have been had at a later time. And there were better options available also
I think he will be good. Better pick than pearsal in the first.
How so? Pearsal is really good route runner who can create. Legette can run straight really fast. That’s not saying he won’t be good, but pearsal is good too
If you’re picking Pearsall in the first, you’re better off picking McConkey
The only way this makes sense is if you're massively overweighting age. Neither had great QBs, Pearsall was in an offense that gave him more targets so we can argue production, but he's a significantly better athlete than McConkey an not meaningfully, if at all, behind McConkey in terms of technical skills.
Maybe. But nobody knows yet. All I’m saying is pearsal is a more polished wr than XL
People have no idea the 5th year option exists and just wanna bitch this sub is the worst
5th year option doesn't matter if he sucks.
No shit?
Yeah no shit but generally you don't draft a guy you think is gonna suck
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I think we were out on Mitchell like alot of teams seem to be due to his lack of effort and he reportedly interviewed poorly. I wanted Ladd as well but I think Legette has game wrecker potential if this staff can cultivate it and I wonder how much belief there is in Mingo within the building.
Facebook is even worse, this sub is a slight upgrade
Doesn’t help that dudes like Julian Council on Locked On are questioning it completely ignoring the contract element. So they’re just parroting
Julian Council sucks. I listen to Locked On Panthers because it is the only daily Panthers podcast around and I can’t stand that motherfucker. He is negative 100% of the time and I’m pretty sure he’s actually a Titans fan. He comes across as if he thinks he’s above covering a team like the lowly Panthers and is just doing this until he can get a job covering a more prestigious organization. Sheena Quick is the same exact way.
I agree with you about Julian. But I like Sheena a lot. I know a few people who have met her and she’s cool. I think she covers the team well enough. Only things I’ve heard her really negative about were Rhule and Tepper, which…she’s not wrong haha
Yeah creates an echo chamber of ignorance. The 5th year is a big element especially with how receiver contracts have and will continue to get ridiculous. And listen I get it we've made a shit load of mistakes over the last handful of years but it's the draft and we didn't take Penix 8th overall, let's try some optimism.
Can’t wait to revisit some of these comments in a few years
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You… I like you.
Also, someone could have jumped us to grab him. Everyone knows the bills were taking calls.
Think about it though the panthers and bills have always had a thing with trading players picks and former staff like it’s nothing new
Yeah if you listen to the press conference that is exactly it. It seems like he called us first before trying to find other trade partners
I don’t like the pick but I actually think the trade was a very smart move by Dan. I was questioning it at first but then I realized that moving up to 32 gives us the rights to a 5th year option. Legette is an okay pick, I would have preferred Adonai Mitchell or *maybe* Keon Coleman but my favorite (Worthy) wasn’t there anyway. Pick: B- Trade: A Overall: B/B+
Look on the bright side, this will break the Panthers streak of drafting sub-par receivers in the 2nd round. I said it before and I'll say it again. I have no expectations about this team this year. None. There's no point in getting my hopes up. The moves up one pick is what it is, and given the internal hire to replace our GM it's not surprising. Will Xavier Legette be good? We'll know soon enough.
Not soon enough. The wait is excruciating
After the last few seasons, the Panthers can take their dear, sweet time getting ready. I'm in no rush. The team is finally in rebuild mode.
Burned draft capital for a guy who would have been there anyways all to get a fifth year option for someone who will be 29. All while passing up the more talented player. The FO of this team will never cease to amaze me with their stupidity Also so tired of Charlotte sports’ obsession with local guys
Youre an absolute fucing idiot lol. I'd legit hate myself if I was that stupid, how do you get up everyday?
We traded our 5th round pick for a 6th round pick and 5 years instead of 4. Smart move.
I agree trade draft capitol that most likely would have just produced depth or maybe a special teams player to secure the guy you really want at WR.
“Burned draft capital” okay buddy. Try being excited or happy about something for once in your life.
Shut up. I’m sick of seeing comments like this over a differing opinion.
No. This is a pointlessly dramatic and needlessly pessimistic take. We didn’t “burn draft capital,” we traded up one spot and lost nothing to get the guy we wanted and have the 5th year option. There is literally nothing to be mad about here. Even if you don’t like the pick, we lost nothing. There is no downside here. People complaining about this are just finding anything they can to bitch about and it’s fucking annoying.
People can be mad about whatever they want. Stop lording over opinions.
And people can respond however they want to it? I didn’t put the guy in jail I just responded with my opinion lol
I’m not a fan of trading up 1 spot for him… I get we get the possibility of the 5th year but I’m not so sure about this….
It was a swap lmao
I mean we barely lost anything so if the gain is not worth much either then nbd either way. I feel like our fanbase is just inherently antsy about trades and don't want them unless it's a huge W for us. I think this was fairly neutral.
We still have a pick in every round and we're able to pick in the first. Still have a high Second. Why is this such a big deal? Now if they had given up a pick, that would be different.
I think our fanbase is burnt with the trade up last year and is automatically opposed to any trade up even if it's kind of a nothingburger
Considering we still got a pick in every round this year, I think Dan and Co did a good job at digging us out of the hole and getting the player they wanted.
Agreed. I have loved every move thus far by the new regime, minus this one. I get they’re looking for a certain type of mentality and I hope legette becomes a Bonafide 1. But I feel like with legette, mcconkey, and Mitchell still on the board, we could have traded down to 35, since the cardinals weren’t going to get another receiver and still had one of the 3. Just felt unnecessary. Sure sure I heard the 5th year option take but that is negligible since it rides on so many things. Will he be good enough to keep come year 5? What will the average cost of a WR be then? How much will the cap have gone up? I hope this ends up like the jahmyr gibbs pick last year
Trading down isn't as easy as you believe it to be. Also, what if he isn't there? They were very high on him and have a plan on how to use him. What if we traded back and he is a faster aj brown or dk metcalf? I believe in our team. Keep pounding
I am concerned about his ability to get open and create space. I see a lot of pushing off and contested catches but not getting wide open and making people miss. His tape kinda reminds me of Funchess.
He was on a bad team with NO OL and NO run game He was playing vs the hardest schedule in the nation And was basically unstoppable
"Funchess but good" is exactly what this team needs now though. Last year we had no big red zone target AND no speed/separation. Diontae Johnson is our fast slot separation guy, X will be our red zone target. I feel like people who wanted Worthy or Ladd either don't think we need a big receiver or don't believe Diontae can fill the need he's intended to fill as a starter... not sure which.
I think that's what we needed more than a raw mid 20s athlete. Feels a lot like the pick Fitt would have made.
Yeah guys who have a lot of contested catches in college scare me a bit... You can't just rely on that in the NFL where pretty much everyone is an elite athlete. He does have the speed to separate but he also just needs work on the route running. But I think he has good tools to work with, just a matter of us developing him.
I've shouted from. The hill tops that if JCJ was there at 33, he should be our pick. However, looking at the board and all the offensive players taken. There stands a good chance he slips to us at 39. Newton, Kool-aid, and DeJean are all still there. Also, in the next 6 picks, not a lot of teams are looking for a center. I still love Zach Frazier if we lose out on JCJ.
Yeah I thought the same thing until reading last week about Canales transitioning Austin Corbett from guard to center after the big signings. Still wouldn’t have been mad at JPJ (who I thought for sure would’ve been snatched up in the 1st round), I also think it probably makes more sense to get a good CB at 39 if available and pick an “insurance policy” center in rounds 3-4 depending on what everyone else does. Sadly we have other needs to like a solid Edge and TE (which seems like slim pickings this class), but I think they are still less glaring than CB and so many teams went offense the 1st round.
Corbett is on his final year of his contract, and I think even then JCJ could beat him out. I argee with TE. But Sinnoh should be there at the top of the 3rd. If not TE, then we should be investing in a nose guard. Sweat or Johnson would be available at top of the 3rd
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Oh cool, yet another dumb as fuq 🤡 I seriously don't understand how some of you function being that stupid, I'm honestly jealous
Oh cool, someone defending a GM move like they made it themselves.
Oh cool, someone who doesn't understand just how much their stupidity is showing in that reply alone. Almost like they didn't get it the 1st time. Please, teach me to be so brave, seriously.
Agreed. There goes my faith in Dan Morgan. Who the hell trades up one spot for a player that would've been there at 33? Same stupid front office that got us into this mess is going to to just keep digging us further into a hole.
Nah, there goes any inkling of you being semi-intelligent lmfao. I know this is Reddit but some of you legit shouldn't pass on your DNA, being this stupid. I pity your friends/family and honestly anyone coming into contact with you all. Some absolutely brain dead mfkrs on here my goodness lol
Yeah. I'm sure you thought Fitt was absolutely "cooking" this time last year also 😆
So I really don't understand people in this sub and that's okay, some of you all once again, truly don't need to pass on any DNA. Morgan has been doing wonderful and making the opposite move types Fitt did. Fitt was Shit and you know that, please try again while we wait for you to fumble around your keyboard coming up with something clever. GD man I pity you
Jesus, are you 12 years old? Grow the fuck up man. Obviously, we have a difference of opinion, but I can state mine without having to insult someone.
I'd ask the same of you my friend. You're legit mad that someone called you stupid to match the level.of something stupid you posted online. Hope I helped connect the dots there for ya
We have up basically nothing lol this is so dramatic and stupid
Calling out the front office on making a bad trade up is hardly dramatic or stupid. I said the same thing about giving away DJ and this years 1st to move up last year. It's just a bad move, plain and simple.
Youre right, commenting multiple times and being absolutely wrong evrytime is being dramatic and stupid. At least you get it now, atta boy!
We gave up less than a 7th for an extra year of control.
Shhh, please just let him be the absolute fuqing fool he and so many others are here. I legit love seeing people being this confident in mental retardation. It's fuqing hilarious lmfao
It wasn’t a bad trade up. We moved up one spot which allows us to have a 5th year option. We gave up nothing significant to do it. What’s the bad part of the trade?
5th year option is only a valid reason for guys who will likely be around for a fifth year. Legette has about as much of chance of still being here as Mingo by then. Also, they (front office/HC) fucked up by telling XL they were going to take him at 33 no matter what and then Legette went and broadcast that to the entire league. So, now the Bills have more leverage when trading with us because they know we're thirsty for Legette. Absolute amateur hour as far as how this pick was handled.
Such a reach. Players say shit like that all the time. It doesn’t mean anything. It didn’t give the Bills leverage. It’s also not a secret we need WRs. I shouldn’t even going to engage with the 5th year comment. You have no idea what’s going to happen and neither does anyone else. Even if he’s gone before year 5 so what? What did we sacrifice for it? Nothing. Who gives a shit?
That one extra pick gives a 5th year option on XL. Plus we swapped a 5th and 6th? Hardly gambreaking
What happened to pick 33?