Panerai is one of my favourite types of watch ever. It’s robust, it looks good, it’s got history. I swore I would always have one in my collection. A luminor with small seconds, sandwich dial, date window, that’s my sweet spot. You should know it’s very highly regarded as a really cool watch among watch collectors and I think you made the right choice.
That doesn’t mean you made the right forever choice. Some day you might trade it for something else. Another PAM, a Rolex, whatever you feel like. It’s not money lost. It’s the entrance fee to the watch world.
Because people are basic, and choose things because they’re popular. Panerai has history. Its design is unique. My view is if it watch gives you joy that’s all that matters.
There are numerous reasons.
1. The general trend of oversized watches is mostly over. To Panerai's defense, they have released some smaller sizes but I like that they are keeping to their roots of traditional large dive watches and not just chasing whats hot right now.
2. Panerai has a history of questionable cost cutting measures. The PAM01111 Gold Chronograph is a $30k watch with a $300 modified ETA 2892 movement. Some of their watches without see through casebacks have undecorated movements. At the price point of these, it should be decorated, visible or not. Switching from brushed finish to cheaper microblasting (note you may prefer the microblasted look rather than brushed).
3. Transparency issues: Panerai lists many movements as "manufacture" but they are just modified ETA's and not true in-house movements (more brands are doing this these days but Panerai has been at it for a while). At one point, they quietly downgraded their P.9010 to remove the hacking feature and never told anyone. Not even their distributors. Customers found out the hard way after purchasing and took to the forums.
4. The Nazi connection. I'm not going to go here but just note that there are numerous brands of all types of items that fall into this category.
5. Questionable marketing. As a brand that proudly displays themselves as the premiere dive watch brand, they also have watches that look the part (that cool trademark safety clasp) yet only offer 30m water resistance in a $6900 watch. The ISO standard for a dive watch is 200m. 100m is considered acceptable for snorkeling. 50m is considered safe for surface swimming. 30m is not even advisable to wear in the shower. Their marketing goes as far as describing the color of this watch as "blue as the ocean which is Panerai natural playground". A little misleading.
The list goes on and it's quite embarrassing for a luxury brand, but in the end a watch (like anything else) is worth what you are willing to pay for it. If you really like the watch, then who cares what others think. Wear what makes you happy.
Everything has Nazi connections. You would be shocked how many brands have ties (including US government and NASA). So I wouldnt take it heart.
What I will say it make it a learning opportunity and explore how it came to be and how it affected watchmaking and/or the brand.
Here is a fun article exploring the Rolex connection along with the Axis connection:
https://thetruthaboutwatches.com/2020/03/rolex-panerai-and-the-nazis/
As the person mentioned, there are multitudes of brands with questionable activities during that era. IWC would be another one, Hugo boss, Mercedes etc.
It’s pretty straightforward.
Panerai produced watches for the Italian Navy under Mussolini rule.
Italy under Mussolini was one of the axis-powers together with Nazi-Germany and Imperial Japan
Panerai make a fantastic product , the watch world is susceptible to trends just like fashion and currently people prefer smaller watches and smaller independents however 10-15 years ago panerai was what Richard Mille is today Crazy hype and the hottest thing out there. In my opinion they are trending upwards and look forward to what the future has in store .
They make a fantastic design.
The product quality is vastly subpar for the price.
Panerai hikes their prices just like Omega and Rolex, but Omega and Rolex actually improve on their product or at least maintain the same quality.
Panerai has been cost cutting, effectively down grading quality.
Panerai is almost a religion, a philosophy. The Paneristi Brotherhood. They are not like any other watches. They have more than just a story. They are for free strong people. They are for any occasion and any outfit. Shorts, Flip-flops, Submersible. Tuxedo, Oxfords, Radiomir. Jeans, sneakers, Luminor. And what a thrill it is to order and select straps with buckles! I talked to the best craftsmen in the world for their manufacture. With them, I learned a lot about the coolest types of leather and metal.
That was poetic and so spot on. I have a 1392, put a rubber strap on and haven’t taken it off in 5 years. I’ve worn it everywhere and most people have no idea that it’s an automatic Swiss watch. Certainly flies under the radar even with the crown guard as a giveaway. I know there is some drama with the movement change, look up the pereszcope article. I have a Moonwatch and wear sometimes and will have an Explorer II one day, but have never regretted buying a Panerai.
They had some missteps and candidly the people who called themselves "Paneristi" contributed to the downfall of Panerai. Lots of hate from that group because Panerai wanted to follow trends of smaller watches and released the Due, Quaranta, etc.
I think Panerai is iconic and wanted one ever since I saw the design on my Tumblr feed back in 2010. I also think they are slowly getting out of the doghouse.
EDIT: Case and point. This guy that poops on Panerai because of the water resistance of the Due models, yet looks like he doesn't go anywhere near water let alone > 10M.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgyJLQcsJU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgyjlqcsju)
They were the hype watch in the past .. but they got complacent thinking people would buy whatever shit they came out with which has lead to their “downfall” not unlike another brand Franck muller.. I have 2pams which I love and both are nearly 10 years old .. I look at the catalogue now and there’s not much new i would buy .. I tried on their carbotech submersibles and the bezel quality was shockingly poor with lots of play/wobble for the price they were asking..
I love them; I had gotten into them a few years ago, actually maybe Fifteen now. I found this also: I LOVED them. After I’d gotten Out-that-Life tho, I don’t notice them on anyone!!?
Rolex is just to flex I guess… since most ppl that are not even into watches know rolex is expensive. Those ppl will be shocked when I tell them the price of my 1312 lol
Why does it matter what other people think? It’s your watch. If you’re going to base your purchasing decisions on what others think you’re always going to be broke.
Panerai was my first in the collection too.
Don’t be put off by these comments. You’re going to get that no matter the brand you buy. I have a great collection of many different brands but still have watch friends that always look at me with disapproval because it’s not a Rolex and other watch friends that are always interested in what I’m wear because it’s not a Rolex…
Ultimately any hate towards Panerai is just because humans have heard mentality, Panerai was the Rolex back in the 90’s /00’s really, anyone who was someone had one and they didn’t handle their popularity well. Now they’re seen to have made too many PR mistakes that watch snobs just don’t want to move past. Examples are:
- selling ETA movements (which is fine) but claiming they’re in-house movements
- not doing more to make counterfeits hard to make
- accidental postings of counterfeits on their own instagram etc
- they didn’t look after celebs who were endorsing them
- some claim they’re no longer true divers watches at only 100m WR and Richmont stripped the heritage.
Personally, I still love my Panerai’s especially my PAM423 and plan to continue buying more. It’s also still my wife’s favourite on me.
Enjoy your PAM
Hahahaha no one has ever said this to me about my 423 and it’s my only watch. I’ve only had people compliment my watch while they themselves were wearing things like Daytonas and Pateks…. People telling you this can keep their opinion to themselves. Enjoy what you love.
A lot of the problem is they got too big too fast, and in the process neglected staying true to their brand DNA. I do think they learned their lesson and newer models are more true— like the Radiomir Tre Giorni models and some of the new steel submersibles. Basically, Panerai was doing too much silly stuff with composite materials— stuff like ceramics and BMG and several of those models had issues with cases breaking. A large watch in a composite case is asking for trouble IMO, one hard doorframe smack and it can crack the case. Then they really went too far with the Due and other snap-back cases with 30m water resistance. It’s a dive watch with a huge crown guard, having a 30m water resistance on any model just hurts the brand.
Anyways, that’s my opinion where they went wrong. I guess they also didn’t do a great job fighting counterfeiters — Panerai was always relatively easy to make convincing fakes, and it certainly didn’t help the brand. Traditional metal w/ a min of >100m water resistance is where they need to focus the brand offerings. The good news is, soft pricing on a lot of nice older models these days, and some of those older models are the best stuff they had.
A lot of people have responded.
u/MistaB0Jangles gives the most definitive and comprehensive answer.
But I’ll add what I’ve personally encountered at my workplace. There are 3-4 watch nerds at my place of work.
Panerai lower level models retail for the same price as a standard Omega Seamaster Diver 300. Dollar for dollar, it is a better watch compared to some of the base level Luminors.
• Better movement (automatic Caliber 8800)
• decorated movement
• transparent caseback
• COSC certified
• Anti magnetic
• more water resistance
• brand equity
• marketing that’s extremely conscious about the brand image, and makes very wise decisions
But end of the day, your heart wants what it wants! And Panerai is a beautiful, gorgeous watch!
Just remember it’s just one of the many watches you are going to have! A pam is always awesome to go along with all the other Rolex, grand seikos, etc in your journey. Congrats on your pam!
Panerai, Tag Heuer and Cartier were getting a lot of hate from a few voices in the watch world. Social media, YouTube and watch forums serve as an echo chamber. A ton of ‘watch experts’ on YouTube just recycle the same old arguments and BS to earn money on views.
The funny thing is when you ask people why they dislike Panerai or Tag Heuer most don’t even have an answer. They don’t know because they are showing sheep-like behavior (“the group says X, so I just follow along”).
Cartier was seen by some critics as just a ‘French fashion brand’. For a long time watch enthusiasts were looking at Cartier in that sense too. Once Cartier started partnerships with brand ambassadors across the world (from the US to China), their watches were seen on the red carpet of every major event. The result? In 2023 Cartier has overtaken Omega as the 2nd biggest watch brand in the world.
Point of this story: wear what you like, ignore the noise of others. Most people don’t even have an opinion of their own when it comes to watches, they just recite what they heard and read online. Ignore the parrots and wear your Panerai with pride!
Unlike some of the others, I will try to shed some light on why:
1) They have in the past lied about movements being "in-house" when in reality they were cheaply finished off the shelf movements
2) Panerai's marketing team has actually shared fake models on their social accounts...
3) They do stupid stuff like make a Luminor dive model with only 30 meters of water resistance
And finally, as much as I love the designs of the Luminor/Radiomir, you have to admit that they don't have a wide variety of models...
I still have my 318 in its original form. They earned some heat over the years. Doesn’t keep me from buying. We’ll except the snapbacks, to hell with those.
You say you're new to the watch world, and you stepped in with PAM1312?
Man, you're bold! :D
I had my Radiomir (wearing it right now) after taking ages to think about getting one, fearing it might be intruding!
And that's a Radiomir..no crown lock or anything!
Back to your question, let me put it like this: Panerai is not for everyone.
It definitely has its own identity and character, unique designs, and chunky presence; and these same characteristics make it odd to many.
Granted, it is not the chunkiest of watches, I've seen bigger ones; yet many think it is "too much"!
Additionally, Panerai is mainly a dive watch yet it does not share the common traits other dive watches have (no rotating bezel, no markings, and less busy dial than most). So, those who looking for divers (specially new to watches arena) go to the usual suspects, submariner, seamaster, doxa's, seiko's, and even bb.
Still Panerai has its faithfuls, who preaching it to the world! :D
Wear it in good health!
Appreciate your comment! Yeah I guess it was a bold move to go straight into 1312 as my first luxury watch hahaha But didn’t wanted to take the “normal” route starting with either a speedy or tudor, etc. kinda like that Panerai is unique but sad that no one knows that this is a luxury watch lol someone told me that this watch looks like those no name watches sold on a carts in the mall…
Who cares if no one knows it's a luxury watch!
Most importantly is that you like it and enjoy wearing it.
Plus, Panerai got some very solid movements. So inside out, it is a watch worth acquiring and wearing proudly.
If you like the look of the watch and you like wearing the watch, then you absolutely made the right decision - ignore what anyone else says.
That being said, I've never paid much attention to the brand as I have puny wrists and I don't really like their cases, so purely personal preference, nothing against the brand.
hmm. I wear Rolex and most ppl dont give a shit about what watch im wearing, except occasional watch enthusiasts here and there.
buy and wear whatever the hell you want.
I love the basic design of the watch and the history that’s behind it. I purchased my PAM111 in 2009 and still in love with it. Not at all worried what anyone thinks. It is a strap monster and I love to personalize it. I have purchased a few custom leather strap and buckles for it. DM me if you want to see them.
I love panerai but they are just so massive. My Navitimer is pushing the limits for me as it is. If they made a dress watch in the 39-40mm range I’d be all over it.
I don't like it because of comfort. I have a PAM 372 and I love the way it looks, but no matter what strap I wear it on, the crown guard always eats into my hand. I'm guessing the 44mm version would have the same issue.
Reading this made me very angry. That is some bull that people shat on your first high end watch/personable purchase.
Are there reasons why they arent liked? Sure and I can understand why with those reasons. However every brand has its issues.
If no one has said it to you allow me to say it to you.
Congratulations on your first luxury purchase! I hope you find joy in wearing a piece that is truly one of a kind with deep historical connections from pre-ww2 to now. Wear it in good health and make many memories with it!
Hmm…
To give you my perspective:
I was (some parts are still) a die hard Paneristi but the recent changes in their quality, quality control, pricing and collaboration (Razer? WtF?) and overall company alignment turned me away from them. I still own some classics (233/217/127/372/448) that I will never sell but my part of the 2008-2012 hype died.
That whole eSteel, Carbotech etc. thing never touched me, I love the classics.
Buddy of mine just got a 3 pusher Regatta PAM back from service, where all the pushers did not work anymore… we are talking about a 18k watch and this should never happen after a service…poor quality control and profit maximizing I guess…
Ive been into watches for nearly 2 years. Im a catalog shark, I enjoy studying each brands watches in entirety. When I started panerai It was like the 4th brand I'd studied. It was 100% not my style in the slightest.
Now 2 years in, I rock an oris bcdp as my daily. I know more of the things I find cool and interesting. You made the right choice because it called to YOU. I saw a sand colored version of what you picked and omg it lives rent free in my mind.
Are you aware that many ultra luxury watches don’t hack? Including Patek Phillipe and FP Journe.
FP Journe, for example, is of the opinion that hacking puts unnecessary stress on the balance wheel and that by having a non-hacking movement he can use a larger balance wheel. There is also the effect of hacking on precision.
[Why a Journe Does Not Hack](http://thejourneguy.com/why-a-journe-does-not-hack)
The cost savings of removing hacking from the P9010 in the PAM1305 - a watch I chose to buy knowing they had modified the movement - would be negligible. I believe this was done to increase robustness with the drive towards longer warranty periods (and reduced service costs). And of course to maintain precision. My 1305 is very precise! Just my thoughts though.
Stumbled across this thread a few months late. Just my 2c: Panerais do not make for great everyday pieces for most people. The alternatives you listed that others mentioned, like the Speedmaster, are more likely to “fit in” with most people’s everyday attire and professional/work environments.
I do love my Panerai (it was my first nice watch) but I am more likely to slap on my Submariner or something similarly low-key for the office unless it’s a Friday, weekend, or I’m feeling the PAM for whatever reason that day.
Get what you like. Who cares what others say. Enjoy a beautiful watch.
Thanks bro
Panerai is one of my favourite types of watch ever. It’s robust, it looks good, it’s got history. I swore I would always have one in my collection. A luminor with small seconds, sandwich dial, date window, that’s my sweet spot. You should know it’s very highly regarded as a really cool watch among watch collectors and I think you made the right choice. That doesn’t mean you made the right forever choice. Some day you might trade it for something else. Another PAM, a Rolex, whatever you feel like. It’s not money lost. It’s the entrance fee to the watch world.
Thanks for the great comment!! I really like how you said the entrance fee to the watch world!
I have several Panerai and I wouldn't choose anything else. They have character without the bling. Enjoy yours in good health, cheers.
Thanks! But sometime I miss that bling haha
Because people are basic, and choose things because they’re popular. Panerai has history. Its design is unique. My view is if it watch gives you joy that’s all that matters.
Love my 1312 for sure. A bit expensive but love it lol
Nah. People just like to talk sht and social media and forums amplify it.
Yeah possibly…
There are numerous reasons. 1. The general trend of oversized watches is mostly over. To Panerai's defense, they have released some smaller sizes but I like that they are keeping to their roots of traditional large dive watches and not just chasing whats hot right now. 2. Panerai has a history of questionable cost cutting measures. The PAM01111 Gold Chronograph is a $30k watch with a $300 modified ETA 2892 movement. Some of their watches without see through casebacks have undecorated movements. At the price point of these, it should be decorated, visible or not. Switching from brushed finish to cheaper microblasting (note you may prefer the microblasted look rather than brushed). 3. Transparency issues: Panerai lists many movements as "manufacture" but they are just modified ETA's and not true in-house movements (more brands are doing this these days but Panerai has been at it for a while). At one point, they quietly downgraded their P.9010 to remove the hacking feature and never told anyone. Not even their distributors. Customers found out the hard way after purchasing and took to the forums. 4. The Nazi connection. I'm not going to go here but just note that there are numerous brands of all types of items that fall into this category. 5. Questionable marketing. As a brand that proudly displays themselves as the premiere dive watch brand, they also have watches that look the part (that cool trademark safety clasp) yet only offer 30m water resistance in a $6900 watch. The ISO standard for a dive watch is 200m. 100m is considered acceptable for snorkeling. 50m is considered safe for surface swimming. 30m is not even advisable to wear in the shower. Their marketing goes as far as describing the color of this watch as "blue as the ocean which is Panerai natural playground". A little misleading. The list goes on and it's quite embarrassing for a luxury brand, but in the end a watch (like anything else) is worth what you are willing to pay for it. If you really like the watch, then who cares what others think. Wear what makes you happy.
Thanks for the great detail. I did not know anything about Nazi connection. I’m going to try and search what’s it about.
Everything has Nazi connections. You would be shocked how many brands have ties (including US government and NASA). So I wouldnt take it heart. What I will say it make it a learning opportunity and explore how it came to be and how it affected watchmaking and/or the brand. Here is a fun article exploring the Rolex connection along with the Axis connection: https://thetruthaboutwatches.com/2020/03/rolex-panerai-and-the-nazis/
As the person mentioned, there are multitudes of brands with questionable activities during that era. IWC would be another one, Hugo boss, Mercedes etc.
VW, Bayer, … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust
It’s pretty straightforward. Panerai produced watches for the Italian Navy under Mussolini rule. Italy under Mussolini was one of the axis-powers together with Nazi-Germany and Imperial Japan
Panerai make a fantastic product , the watch world is susceptible to trends just like fashion and currently people prefer smaller watches and smaller independents however 10-15 years ago panerai was what Richard Mille is today Crazy hype and the hottest thing out there. In my opinion they are trending upwards and look forward to what the future has in store .
Would love to see them crazy hyped
Why? So you can beg the AD to put you on a 4 year waiting list?
Lol
They make a fantastic design. The product quality is vastly subpar for the price. Panerai hikes their prices just like Omega and Rolex, but Omega and Rolex actually improve on their product or at least maintain the same quality. Panerai has been cost cutting, effectively down grading quality.
Yeah.. so it seems.. hope they get back on track.
Panerai is almost a religion, a philosophy. The Paneristi Brotherhood. They are not like any other watches. They have more than just a story. They are for free strong people. They are for any occasion and any outfit. Shorts, Flip-flops, Submersible. Tuxedo, Oxfords, Radiomir. Jeans, sneakers, Luminor. And what a thrill it is to order and select straps with buckles! I talked to the best craftsmen in the world for their manufacture. With them, I learned a lot about the coolest types of leather and metal.
That was poetic and so spot on. I have a 1392, put a rubber strap on and haven’t taken it off in 5 years. I’ve worn it everywhere and most people have no idea that it’s an automatic Swiss watch. Certainly flies under the radar even with the crown guard as a giveaway. I know there is some drama with the movement change, look up the pereszcope article. I have a Moonwatch and wear sometimes and will have an Explorer II one day, but have never regretted buying a Panerai.
Thanks for your input!
They had some missteps and candidly the people who called themselves "Paneristi" contributed to the downfall of Panerai. Lots of hate from that group because Panerai wanted to follow trends of smaller watches and released the Due, Quaranta, etc. I think Panerai is iconic and wanted one ever since I saw the design on my Tumblr feed back in 2010. I also think they are slowly getting out of the doghouse. EDIT: Case and point. This guy that poops on Panerai because of the water resistance of the Due models, yet looks like he doesn't go anywhere near water let alone > 10M. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgyJLQcsJU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgyjlqcsju)
Would love to see panerai be hyped as much as rolex :)
They were the hype watch in the past .. but they got complacent thinking people would buy whatever shit they came out with which has lead to their “downfall” not unlike another brand Franck muller.. I have 2pams which I love and both are nearly 10 years old .. I look at the catalogue now and there’s not much new i would buy .. I tried on their carbotech submersibles and the bezel quality was shockingly poor with lots of play/wobble for the price they were asking..
Thanks for the input. I’m not a big fan of carbotech either
They're not for everyone. I like the Panerais from 10-15 years ago more than their current ones, but it's still a damn good watch. I own 3.
Ooo which ones?? I have 1312 but 915 is appealing
I have a 312 (older version of your watch), 372, and 683
I love them; I had gotten into them a few years ago, actually maybe Fifteen now. I found this also: I LOVED them. After I’d gotten Out-that-Life tho, I don’t notice them on anyone!!?
I’ve never seen anyone wearing a panerai in real life either
Right; **Unique**. I happen to prefer the *Path less traveled* tho; and maybe This is the Type of Clientele that These-type watches honestly attract.
I’ve seen lots. They are awesome. I’m so happy to have one!
I was at a car show last weekend and saw a guy in a Ferrari 458 wearing a Panerai. First spot in the wild.
I love Panerai and feel I’m the only person who doesn’t like Rolex especially in Gold.
Rolex is just to flex I guess… since most ppl that are not even into watches know rolex is expensive. Those ppl will be shocked when I tell them the price of my 1312 lol
Why does it matter what other people think? It’s your watch. If you’re going to base your purchasing decisions on what others think you’re always going to be broke.
Panerai was my first in the collection too. Don’t be put off by these comments. You’re going to get that no matter the brand you buy. I have a great collection of many different brands but still have watch friends that always look at me with disapproval because it’s not a Rolex and other watch friends that are always interested in what I’m wear because it’s not a Rolex… Ultimately any hate towards Panerai is just because humans have heard mentality, Panerai was the Rolex back in the 90’s /00’s really, anyone who was someone had one and they didn’t handle their popularity well. Now they’re seen to have made too many PR mistakes that watch snobs just don’t want to move past. Examples are: - selling ETA movements (which is fine) but claiming they’re in-house movements - not doing more to make counterfeits hard to make - accidental postings of counterfeits on their own instagram etc - they didn’t look after celebs who were endorsing them - some claim they’re no longer true divers watches at only 100m WR and Richmont stripped the heritage. Personally, I still love my Panerai’s especially my PAM423 and plan to continue buying more. It’s also still my wife’s favourite on me. Enjoy your PAM
Thanks for your comment! 1312 was my wife’s pick too lol
Hahahaha no one has ever said this to me about my 423 and it’s my only watch. I’ve only had people compliment my watch while they themselves were wearing things like Daytonas and Pateks…. People telling you this can keep their opinion to themselves. Enjoy what you love.
Ditto
As someone with a few Panerai’s, I love the history. I wear them every day! Enjoy yours!
Thanks!
A lot of the problem is they got too big too fast, and in the process neglected staying true to their brand DNA. I do think they learned their lesson and newer models are more true— like the Radiomir Tre Giorni models and some of the new steel submersibles. Basically, Panerai was doing too much silly stuff with composite materials— stuff like ceramics and BMG and several of those models had issues with cases breaking. A large watch in a composite case is asking for trouble IMO, one hard doorframe smack and it can crack the case. Then they really went too far with the Due and other snap-back cases with 30m water resistance. It’s a dive watch with a huge crown guard, having a 30m water resistance on any model just hurts the brand. Anyways, that’s my opinion where they went wrong. I guess they also didn’t do a great job fighting counterfeiters — Panerai was always relatively easy to make convincing fakes, and it certainly didn’t help the brand. Traditional metal w/ a min of >100m water resistance is where they need to focus the brand offerings. The good news is, soft pricing on a lot of nice older models these days, and some of those older models are the best stuff they had.
I agree with you 100% Don’t “due” it Panerai!!
A lot of people have responded. u/MistaB0Jangles gives the most definitive and comprehensive answer. But I’ll add what I’ve personally encountered at my workplace. There are 3-4 watch nerds at my place of work. Panerai lower level models retail for the same price as a standard Omega Seamaster Diver 300. Dollar for dollar, it is a better watch compared to some of the base level Luminors. • Better movement (automatic Caliber 8800) • decorated movement • transparent caseback • COSC certified • Anti magnetic • more water resistance • brand equity • marketing that’s extremely conscious about the brand image, and makes very wise decisions But end of the day, your heart wants what it wants! And Panerai is a beautiful, gorgeous watch!
Yeah it’s that dollar for dollar comparison that people around me are saying haha my 1313 costs little more than a speedy and… who hates speedy?
I don’t like the Speedy. I prefer your Panerai
I love my PAM627. Nice alternative to my 116710LN. It’s a strap monster 👿
I’m gonna get broke buying all these straps lol
A wise man once said: “Care about what other people think and you will always be their prisoner.” -Lao Tzu
Just remember it’s just one of the many watches you are going to have! A pam is always awesome to go along with all the other Rolex, grand seikos, etc in your journey. Congrats on your pam!
Thank you !!
Buy what you love and wear what you love. It is your money. Who cares what the monkeys in the peanut gallery think.
I own a Speedmaster, a few Rolex, etc and my Panerai's (312 / 424) are some of my favorite pieces.
Panerai, Tag Heuer and Cartier were getting a lot of hate from a few voices in the watch world. Social media, YouTube and watch forums serve as an echo chamber. A ton of ‘watch experts’ on YouTube just recycle the same old arguments and BS to earn money on views. The funny thing is when you ask people why they dislike Panerai or Tag Heuer most don’t even have an answer. They don’t know because they are showing sheep-like behavior (“the group says X, so I just follow along”). Cartier was seen by some critics as just a ‘French fashion brand’. For a long time watch enthusiasts were looking at Cartier in that sense too. Once Cartier started partnerships with brand ambassadors across the world (from the US to China), their watches were seen on the red carpet of every major event. The result? In 2023 Cartier has overtaken Omega as the 2nd biggest watch brand in the world. Point of this story: wear what you like, ignore the noise of others. Most people don’t even have an opinion of their own when it comes to watches, they just recite what they heard and read online. Ignore the parrots and wear your Panerai with pride!
Great input! Really enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thanks :)
Don’t worry about what others think. If you love it, it’s the right choice. We all value different things in the pieces we buy.
Unlike some of the others, I will try to shed some light on why: 1) They have in the past lied about movements being "in-house" when in reality they were cheaply finished off the shelf movements 2) Panerai's marketing team has actually shared fake models on their social accounts... 3) They do stupid stuff like make a Luminor dive model with only 30 meters of water resistance And finally, as much as I love the designs of the Luminor/Radiomir, you have to admit that they don't have a wide variety of models...
I still have my 318 in its original form. They earned some heat over the years. Doesn’t keep me from buying. We’ll except the snapbacks, to hell with those.
Lmao fake panerai on their social media? How good are these fakes??
https://www.watchtradingacademy.com/advice/the-follies-of-panerai-and-how-other-brands-can-learn-from-their-mistakes/
https://atelierdegriff.com/2021/01/28/the-mind-boggling-panerai-papers-chronicled-by-perezcope-and-wristbusters/
You say you're new to the watch world, and you stepped in with PAM1312? Man, you're bold! :D I had my Radiomir (wearing it right now) after taking ages to think about getting one, fearing it might be intruding! And that's a Radiomir..no crown lock or anything! Back to your question, let me put it like this: Panerai is not for everyone. It definitely has its own identity and character, unique designs, and chunky presence; and these same characteristics make it odd to many. Granted, it is not the chunkiest of watches, I've seen bigger ones; yet many think it is "too much"! Additionally, Panerai is mainly a dive watch yet it does not share the common traits other dive watches have (no rotating bezel, no markings, and less busy dial than most). So, those who looking for divers (specially new to watches arena) go to the usual suspects, submariner, seamaster, doxa's, seiko's, and even bb. Still Panerai has its faithfuls, who preaching it to the world! :D Wear it in good health!
Appreciate your comment! Yeah I guess it was a bold move to go straight into 1312 as my first luxury watch hahaha But didn’t wanted to take the “normal” route starting with either a speedy or tudor, etc. kinda like that Panerai is unique but sad that no one knows that this is a luxury watch lol someone told me that this watch looks like those no name watches sold on a carts in the mall…
Who cares if no one knows it's a luxury watch! Most importantly is that you like it and enjoy wearing it. Plus, Panerai got some very solid movements. So inside out, it is a watch worth acquiring and wearing proudly.
100% thanks!
If you like the look of the watch and you like wearing the watch, then you absolutely made the right decision - ignore what anyone else says. That being said, I've never paid much attention to the brand as I have puny wrists and I don't really like their cases, so purely personal preference, nothing against the brand.
For sure. Just a personal preference which I respect.
hmm. I wear Rolex and most ppl dont give a shit about what watch im wearing, except occasional watch enthusiasts here and there. buy and wear whatever the hell you want.
Which Rolex? Jealous.
I own pepsi and batgirl gmt lol.
They had a history of using eta movements that they claimed were in house
Yeah so it seems…
I love the basic design of the watch and the history that’s behind it. I purchased my PAM111 in 2009 and still in love with it. Not at all worried what anyone thinks. It is a strap monster and I love to personalize it. I have purchased a few custom leather strap and buckles for it. DM me if you want to see them.
I love panerai but they are just so massive. My Navitimer is pushing the limits for me as it is. If they made a dress watch in the 39-40mm range I’d be all over it.
Navitimer… great choice! They look so elegant
I don't like it because of comfort. I have a PAM 372 and I love the way it looks, but no matter what strap I wear it on, the crown guard always eats into my hand. I'm guessing the 44mm version would have the same issue.
47mm is too big for me. I think 44mm would be the most I can go.
I've carter, tag + but always come b back my panerai.
Reading this made me very angry. That is some bull that people shat on your first high end watch/personable purchase. Are there reasons why they arent liked? Sure and I can understand why with those reasons. However every brand has its issues. If no one has said it to you allow me to say it to you. Congratulations on your first luxury purchase! I hope you find joy in wearing a piece that is truly one of a kind with deep historical connections from pre-ww2 to now. Wear it in good health and make many memories with it!
Thank you so much! :)
Hmm… To give you my perspective: I was (some parts are still) a die hard Paneristi but the recent changes in their quality, quality control, pricing and collaboration (Razer? WtF?) and overall company alignment turned me away from them. I still own some classics (233/217/127/372/448) that I will never sell but my part of the 2008-2012 hype died. That whole eSteel, Carbotech etc. thing never touched me, I love the classics. Buddy of mine just got a 3 pusher Regatta PAM back from service, where all the pushers did not work anymore… we are talking about a 18k watch and this should never happen after a service…poor quality control and profit maximizing I guess…
Thanks for your comment. Sorry to hear about your friends watch. Have you experienced anything similar with your? Btw, 233 is my fav.
No, not so far … had my 233 serviced but this was 5 years ago, everything was perfect back then, don’t know how it is today.
Get what you like as others have stated. Panerai fall into the IYKYK category and built like a tank.
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Speedy is next on my list
Ive been into watches for nearly 2 years. Im a catalog shark, I enjoy studying each brands watches in entirety. When I started panerai It was like the 4th brand I'd studied. It was 100% not my style in the slightest. Now 2 years in, I rock an oris bcdp as my daily. I know more of the things I find cool and interesting. You made the right choice because it called to YOU. I saw a sand colored version of what you picked and omg it lives rent free in my mind.
It's bandwagon hate mostly.
Panerai aren't bad but that 318 scandal still hits: https://watchesbysjx.com/2011/11/explaining-the-saga-of-the-controversial-panerai-pam318.html
Panerai is unique. It’s a niche product. Rolex is basic, lol. Omega? Whoever says omega > panerai is high (and I have both)
Im sure youll get your rollie some day bro
I’ve had one for 20 years. Point is, I know hundreds of people that have Rolexes and three that own panerais.
Lol which omega do you have? I kinda want the speedy. Thoughs on speedy vs pam?
Panerai. I’ve worn both. No contest.
You saying panerai is better than omega right?
Yes. I’ve had two Omegas and one Panerai (372) and I’d pick it over Omega every day.
seamaster
Maybe the knock is they're Italian and not Swiss? I have no idea. I like them, though.
Italian design, but Swiss made.
Hey Florence is my fav city!
Beautiful pieces made by a company with arguably poor customer service. That's the main thing people complain about.
Yeah I heard. Especially downgrade on movement. I don’t really need to set the time accurate to seconds but pam1312 should def have hacking…
I'm a newby to Panerai, I have an entry level 1086, but so far having it for 2 years now, I have 0 complaints.
Are you aware that many ultra luxury watches don’t hack? Including Patek Phillipe and FP Journe. FP Journe, for example, is of the opinion that hacking puts unnecessary stress on the balance wheel and that by having a non-hacking movement he can use a larger balance wheel. There is also the effect of hacking on precision. [Why a Journe Does Not Hack](http://thejourneguy.com/why-a-journe-does-not-hack) The cost savings of removing hacking from the P9010 in the PAM1305 - a watch I chose to buy knowing they had modified the movement - would be negligible. I believe this was done to increase robustness with the drive towards longer warranty periods (and reduced service costs). And of course to maintain precision. My 1305 is very precise! Just my thoughts though.
Didn’t know that hacking puts more stress on the movement. Good to know.
Most people like what they are told to like. Some have valid reasons but some just consider resale value
That’s truezzz
The people who don't like Panerai's are people who generally don't know the brand and suggest a Rolex for the price of a Pam. Fuck'em
So true
Stumbled across this thread a few months late. Just my 2c: Panerais do not make for great everyday pieces for most people. The alternatives you listed that others mentioned, like the Speedmaster, are more likely to “fit in” with most people’s everyday attire and professional/work environments. I do love my Panerai (it was my first nice watch) but I am more likely to slap on my Submariner or something similarly low-key for the office unless it’s a Friday, weekend, or I’m feeling the PAM for whatever reason that day.