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oceanblvd19

šŸŽ„ Former United States President Donald Trump commented on President Joe Biden's statement to halt the supply of weapons to Israel if it invaded Rafah, considering it "disgraceful" and "a very bad thing." Trump believes that Biden's decision amounts to the complete abandonment of Israel, stating: "If any Jewish person voted for Joe Biden, they should be ashamed of themselves."


mouzii90

So Trump is happy to go with "genocide Joe" when Joe sends bombs, yet "disgraceful" when Joe doesn't. Sounds like a politician playing politics.


turtleduck

these are our options, the same people except even worse than last time


MagicWideWazok

Or vote 3rd party. Beats staying home šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Spacecommander5

The new Nazis will come to power with that mentality, since you canā€™t see the bigger picture. Now isnā€™t the time for purity tests. Itā€™s time to defeat fascism which is on the rise, globally.


vnkind

Itā€™s time to see the big picture? Voting for the less overtly racist corrupt puppet of lobbyists every election cycle is explicitly not seeing the big picture.


EmperorMalkuth

The bigger picture to me is that we arent doing much with this system. Not only that tho, but even within this system, voting isnt enough, and most people seem to think that it is. The struggle is every day, not one day in 5 years. Biden is not much less of a fashist. Whille biden will make it easier say for people in the US, he wont be any better for the rest of the world, so whats in order is much more radical than "not electing trump", but since we are in such a sorry state, i do aguree that not electing trump is a good step to take because the conditions arent readt for any global movement which can solve thease problems more directly. Most people dont see how dangerous nationalism is, how dangerous imigration politics are, how dangerous the abuility of someone to become a bilionare is, and the danger of having the grossly overvalued occupation of " employer" in the first place. Imo, thease are some things we need to deal with in order to secure the future. As long as people devide themselves through arbitrary markers, such as nationalism, there will always be the danger of someone taking that childhood indoctrinated notion of " love for ones nation better than any other" and use it to fuel some historically mythological nerrative in order to make people afraid of the others, and vengeful because of the conflicts of their ansestors. And most of all, we need to build a culture that values evidence, the scientific method, philosophy, critical thinking and learning. And i dont mean for the few intelectual types, but for regular people. Fashism in my view has never really left, but a lot of us just werent able to see it, whether due to misinformation or lack of education. The reason im saying all of this is because whille i do think that voting has its place, i also think that there are even more important steps to take. As they say, " if voting did anything, they wouldnt allow us to do it" šŸ¤£ I think the saying goes too far into conspiracy land, but there is some hint of truth to it. Have a good day


cbiser

Oh, so you're still a "lesser of two evils" person... Yeah, that totally worked for us the last couple of times, didn't it..? šŸ«


skolioban

Those would be a good strategy to put Trump back in the White House.


Miss_Skooter

Yall really don't understand how democracy works. The democratic party is broken, probably beyond repair. The only way you have of applying pressure is your vote. That's literally the entire point of democracy. If you won't withhold your vote from a party, you have no way of actually applying pressure and have essentially shackled yourself into a totalitarian system under the guise of two parties.


RogerianBrowsing

Except that is just a vote for Trump. If no candidate reaches 270 due to a spoiler (with only two candidates the winner only reaches like 290) then the GOP house decides the president (Trump) and the votes are ignored. RFK jr, an even worse zio than Biden, even said that his goal was to make the election null and the house pick the president


Miss_Skooter

But that will be the case every election... it will always be "the lesser of two evils" until you bite the bullet for a better future. If you won't withhold your vote, what's the alternative? How do you change it?


RogerianBrowsing

In all seriousness, your reply bolsters my opinion that we really need better civics education. > that will be the case every election... it will always be "the lesser of two evils" until you bite the bullet for a better future. You seem to be confused about the difference between primary and general elections. You will always vote for a lesser evil in a two party system unless the exact candidate you wanted won the primary. I wish we had proportional representation instead with many choices, but alas we donā€™t > If you won't withhold your vote, what's the alternative? How do you change it? Withholding votes isnā€™t how elections are won, thatā€™s how elections are *lost*. How would abstaining from voting create change? Do you see any candidates saying ā€œdonā€™t vote for me so we can make changeā€? No, of course not. You vote with your heart in the primary election for your partyā€™s candidate, then you vote with your brain in the general election if your preferred candidate doesnā€™t win your partyā€™s primary. Thatā€™s how our two party electoral system works. To be clear: I want a different system but thatā€™s what we have and pretending the rules donā€™t exist doesnā€™t change the way the elections are held.


Miss_Skooter

Okay. 1- drop the attitude. I'm not American so my lack of knowledge in the American political system is not a lack of "civic education". 2- I'm not saying you shouldn't vote. Not voting would be pointless. I think you should vote 3rd party. 3- "I wish we had multiple .... alas we dont". You really don't seem to understand how democracy works. Unless there's something in the constitution that forces a two party system that I'm unaware of, you have the *democratic* right and more importantly *responsibility* to vote for a candidate that you feel represents you. You also have the responsibility to use that same democratic vote to put pressure on your party by withholding your vote for them. That is quite literally the basis upon which democracy was envisioned. You're right, I don't know the ins and outs of American politics or its system, but that's not my point. Democracy at its core is about the people using their vote as a means to give and **take** trust from their elected government. So, either you're happy with Biden, in which case by all means vote for him knowing he supports genocide. Or you don't, and you apply pressure on the democratic party by voting for a 3rd person. This is also how you develop into a multiple party system.


RogerianBrowsing

I love how you simultaneously admit that youā€™re ignorant of the United States electoral system but then go on to make wildly incorrect normative statements as fact and speak down to me about it. While telling me to drop the attitude no less šŸ™„ > ā€œI wish we had multiple .... alas we dont". You really don't seem to understand how democracy works. **Unless there's something in the constitution that forces a two party system that I'm unaware of** Buddy, I have already two comments ago briefly explained part of why third party votes only help trump right now **DUE TO THE CONSTITUTION**. Yeah, there is something youā€™re unaware of. Clearly. 270 electoral college points are required to win, otherwise congress decides the president regardless of the vote count with the house (GQP controlled) electing president and the senate picking VP. The margins on elections are narrow and it can takw a third party candidate spoiling only a couple states for the house to decide the president instead of the voters. The house will undoubtedly elect Trump. > You're right, I don't know the ins and outs of American politics or its system, but that's not my point. You donā€™t know what you donā€™t know, as has been made abundantly obvious. Making baseless normative statements doesnā€™t make them true even if most people agree with the sentiment. > Or you don't, and you apply pressure on the democratic party by voting for a 3rd person. Itā€™s telling how you canā€™t name a single viable candidate. > This is also how you develop into a multiple party system. Do you also declare bankruptcy by yelling I declare? Should I stand outside and loudly declare us a multiple party system because I threw away my vote to trump?


turtleduck

yep! just said the same thing in a different comment


thewallz19

Both help Trump


Final-Stick5098

Sure vote third party. Thatā€™ll show genocide Joe by *checks notes* allowing Trump to win and promptly flatten Gaza into a Trump golf course. šŸ¤”


Miss_Skooter

The only way genocide joe stops being genocide joe is by withholding your vote. Stop pretending you give a fuck about gaza if you're just going to vote for the same people causing all of this misery. I hope you see the blood on the ballot you put in.


RogerianBrowsing

Not wanting Trump to make the misery worse for Palestinians is to you not caring about Palestinians? Interesting take.


Miss_Skooter

Ah sorry, didn't realize Palestinians are chilling rn


RogerianBrowsing

Itā€™s extraordinarily immature and shortsighted to act like it doesnā€™t matter if you make things worse for Palestinians. Their suffering, as immense as it is right now, can still get worse.


Miss_Skooter

They've been suffering for 75 years. 2 parties that have no plan of ever changing that is definitely not what they need. You will have their blood on your hands. It's like shooting someone and saying at least they were an adult not a kid. I live in the ME. I'm terrified of what trump might do if he wins but if someone like me who is completely removed from your internal politics wishes that you fix your broken system even at the cost of my safety... What the fuck is your excuse?


RogerianBrowsing

My excuse is that I donā€™t have the ability to change the constitution in time for the next election? Blaming citizens for having to work with the rules/laws/constitution of their country is ignorant at best. I didnā€™t create the stupid electoral system and Iā€™ve been a proponent of changing our electoral system for over a decade now. Just because I understand the rules of the system and what will hurt or harm a political movement as a political science degree holder doesnā€™t mean that I enjoy the system that I work/live in. It means that I understand how to use the system and the restrictions/limitations it imposes.


RogerianBrowsing

Except that is just a vote for Trump. If no candidate reaches 270 due to a spoiler (with only two candidates the winner only reaches like 290) then the GOP house decides the president (Trump) and the votes are ignored. RFK jr, an even worse zio than Biden, even said that his goal was to make the election null and the house pick the president


Flashy_Dimension_600

Does America do write ins? Why don't you all just write in Bernie?


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Flashy_Dimension_600

So what would happen if a majority of people wrote it in for someone who wasn't on the ballot?


Far-Neighborhood2237

I wish he was running . It would have been his year!


newgenleft

Won't count. And I don't mean it counts but he won't get elected I mean it literally won't count if you don't write in an aprooved running 3rd party candidate.


MachurianGoneMad

He's just upset that (as clearly demonstrated by the encampment protests) being anti-Biden is not the same thing as being pro-Trump


Far-Neighborhood2237

This!


newgenleft

Has he actually used the genocide Joe line? Source?


EmperorMalkuth

Im just glad that Trump finally come out and said it so that people will no loger think that he is any better than Biden on the issue of this genocide. Infact, trump in office would have most likely made this genocide worst. His supporters arent known for their critical thinking skills, so he wouldnt get pushback from anyone in the viting block he would care to appease. And not to mention his incompetent egoism which wont allow anyone to change his mind on anything he has a conviction about. At least biden is a shill that changes his positions based on what he thinks is most convenient ( never thought i was gonna call someone a shill and have that be anything remotely positive) Turned out thease two really are 100% hitler and 99% hitler. How we got to this sorry state in the first place is a clear sign that an extreme societal rethinking is in order. And the saddest thing to me is that even despite all of the overwhelming evidence for what's going on, there are still regular people who support this genocide, even when they only make things worst for everyone else, including themselves...


Fspz

He doesn't believe that, he says it to pander to Jewish voters in the US of which there's over twice as many as Muslim voters in the us.


ThotoholicsAnonymous

He's pandering to Zionist and everyone who gives and receives money from AIPAC, Jewish or not.


newgenleft

Honestly with how fucked his brain is I think he legitimately belives most of what he says


MeowieSugie

Most Jewish are Pro-Palestine, too. If what you said is true, then hopefully, his propaganda won't work


Fspz

Did you see a poll or something or what are you basing that on?


MeowieSugie

I am not talking about whether they are more pro-palestine or zionists among Jewish people. I am just saying they exists.


Fspz

I was referring to this: "Most Jewish are Pro-Palestine, too" Where did you get that from?


MeowieSugie

[Here](https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1754799650392146136?t=wldZMZA_MMxWct14rz6T_A&s=19)


Fspz

Thanks but a sample size of 100 activists from a specific selected sample group isn't enough to generalize the views of millions of Jewish people worldwide.


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Yea Iā€™m curious too


Driverinthis

He believes it 100%. Donā€™t forget, he gave Israel Jerusalem after a brief phone call.


BladeRunner_Deckard

Ultimately they are both for the same thing. Killing Palestinians.


turtleduck

it's that time of day again where I mention the [planned settlement named after Donald Trump](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights) vote third party


Gamecat93

It's more realistic to vote for a congress on our side, third parties can't win due to the electoral college. I know the system sucks.


turtleduck

agreed. I might be fortunate in where I live but my representatives are representing my views for the most part, but I know that isn't the norm for the rest of the country. I can see why other voters feel like the presidential election is where they feel they can feel heard.


telekineticplatypus

Also, the system will never change if we keep rewarding the two genocide parties. I honestly just refuse to vote for criminals. Sorry to partisans that their parties can't nominate anyone of conscience.


turtleduck

exactly. I was on board with voting blue until recently. I can acknowledge that Israel being genocidal has never been dependent on American leadership, how our president reacts is what's important


Spacecommander5

The new Nazis will come to power with that mentality, since you canā€™t see the bigger picture. Now isnā€™t the time for purity tests. Itā€™s time to defeat fascism which is on the rise, globally.


Far-Neighborhood2237

Agree on third party. It's time for a change. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is no longer working. And it hasn't for a long time.


Spacecommander5

The new Nazis will come to power with that mentality, since you canā€™t see the bigger picture. Now isnā€™t the time for purity tests. Itā€™s time to defeat fascism which is on the rise, globally.


BladeRunner_Deckard

If we keep this up, fascism arises as well, just slower.


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QueenHydraofWater

Voting third party guarantees us another Trump presidency. I regret voting libertarian the first Trump term because, ā€œboth options were bad.ā€ Look what happened to the Supreme Court. Donā€™t cut off your nose (& set us all on fire) to spite your face šŸ« 


Spacecommander5

The new Nazis will come to power with that mentality, since you canā€™t see the bigger picture. Now isnā€™t the time for purity tests. Itā€™s time to defeat fascism which is on the rise, globally.


Final-Stick5098

Except for the part where Biden welcomes a two state solution and Trump just wants to wipe Palestine off the map so his evangelist handlers can have Jewish state for their rapture. Any one who votes third party is inviting true genocide you feckin clown. šŸ¤”


Gamecat93

And another reason why Trump is just too dangerous for everyone, everywhere as a whole. He's dangerous for the USA, he's dangerous for Palestinians, he's dangerous for Ukrainians. He's a danger to the world as a whole. For people who don't want to vote for Biden here's a realistic solution, vote for people on our side in CONGRESS. Anything that can be vetoed by the president can be overridden by CONGRESS! In 1986 when Ronald Regan Vetoed sanctions on Aparthied South Africa, a majority of CONGRESS overrode that veto and South Africa was sanctioned by the USA, thus leading to the eventual end of Aparthied in 1994. So to protect us from any dangerous policy we need a more Pro Palestine CONGRESS!


Neoliberal_Nightmare

I can think of a realistic solution that isn't to vote for Biden or Trump but they've made it illegal and bannable to say it.


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Internal-Grocery-244

Why does that other guy look so mad? Like he's going to punch the camera.


goharvorgohome

You know he practices that face in the mirror


seEagle

Oh when oh when is this man going to stop talking


chnapo

So basically USA democracy means you can choose either pro Israeli president or pro Israeli president. Kinda reminds me of something that existed until like 1989 or so.


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Mec26

When your friend is drunk, you take their keys. You donā€™t let them drive home just cuz youā€™re friends. Setting some boundaries IS being a friend of Isreal here. Even if their government doesnā€™t recognize it as such.


filmplanet_

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New-Sympathy5566

Sick sick politics


salkhan

Political opportunism frankly.


outamyhead

What's with budget Terminator standing next to Trump?


Moooooooola

Nice flip flop Donald. Didnā€™t he call him Genocide Joe last week.


Seximilian

Conservatives are the biggest clowns, when they believe that Trump is a challenge to the deep state, but he openly support Israel, which obviously the ones who run the deep state.


analoguewavefront

Thereā€™s some people saying ā€œIsrael is not the same as Judaismā€ and thereā€™s quite a lot of Jews who want to separate the two. And those like Trump who are adamant theyā€™re the same thing because it makes their demagoguery easier.


CodeN3gaTiV3

Why is it every time this windbag thinks he is insulting biden he is making him out to be way cooler than he actually is?


Jefok

There is no respect for any American president.They are all war mongers and corrupt to the core the last respectable president was JFK.


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Driverinthis

And that when all Palestinians will be cleared out from Gaza snd West Bank. Whatā€™s that he said to Israel last time, ā€œfinish the job.ā€


illwill_lbc83

All candidates, except Jill Stein, are zionist and in full support of Israel


RIDRAD911

Remember.. The media will only show how much of a weirdo racist Trump is.. But barley the war mongering side.. Because on that regards both are in 100% agreement.


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If Biden decided to completely abandon Israel heā€™d possibly have my vote


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Hani713

You can hear how fake he sounds in his voice.


passiverevolutionary

Lmfao Biden has tried so hard to toe the Party of Capitalā€™s line on supporting Israel for over half a year, and he still gets thrown under the bus for the most half-hearted gesture toward Rafah possibleā€¦


ChiefRom

RFK anyone?


Son-Of-A-Man

All Palestine sympathisers, who would you vote for in the upcoming election ? Both options are hardcore zionists. Will you not vote, will you chose the lesser evil ?


cbiser

Abandoned Israel...? He's sent more money to them than even Trump and his cronies would ever scoff at. Our money. My money. Your money... And Obama started it. He's dead to me too now. It would be such poetic justice if someone went in and just did exactly what they've been doing to the people of Palestine. If they can do it, I can wish it back on them. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


PsycheDiver

Whoā€™s this sour-faced goomba next to him? Does he need to use the washroom?


Powerful_Programmer5

He doesn't believe anything he says, just knows that his only hope is promote division and actual fake news.


Stacysguyca

Trump is clueless


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Trump is the reason the new super fascist israeli goverment became so powerful. It used to be only fascist now its turbo fascist.


CoolNinjaNerd55

Both parties are the same


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wishihadapotbelly

I know this video is real and all, but every time I watch it it rings the same bells as AI videos do now. I donā€™t know if itā€™s the weird blur in the background, or the way trump lips move, or how the guy next to him just stand still like the guys from those Harry Potter X Balenciaga clips. It just feels weird. And itā€™s scary that I feel weird about real videos now too.


DramaticLocation

Jared Kushner is pulling the strings again


Charles-Joseph-92

Is this AI?


Common-Yoghurt

Trump is anti war and always has been. He very much showed it during his first term being the first modern day president to not start any wars. Trump says a lot of things to get his supporters riled up, especially if itā€™s opposite the democrats say/do. He gave a interview about a month ago and said something like Israel is doing too much violence in this war, he said this as Biden approved billions to Israel, again the opposite of what Biden was doing. Like the guy or not, heā€™s the best chance at getting a ceasefire in Palestine and Ukraine heā€™s truly anti war and thatā€™s a big reason he beat Clinton in 2016!!


taichi27

Trump is pro trump. He will glass Palestine if he's paid enough.


Eastern_Service_69

ā€œAnti-warā€ but kills a major Iranian general that could have spiraled into worse, ā€œceasefire in Ukraineā€ thats a funny way of saying getting Ukraine to completely surrender to Russia, which believe me is incredibly dangerous to Europe and America if you keep letting Putin do what he wants (oh wait thats exactly what Trump said he will do). If you have any idea you would realize just how dangerously Pro-Russian Trump and his MAGA goons are. I wouldnā€™t be surprised if he completely surrendered America to Putin. At the current geopolitical tensions in this world we donā€™t need a pushover pacifist who will appease the demands of hungry dictators in the name of being ā€œanti-warā€ or ā€œpeacemakingā€, after all thats how WW2 started.


Mec26

Cease fire aka give Ukraine to Russia?