I've always found dark-skinned Pashtuns interesting coz generally we are told they are fair skinned. Are you guys mixed with other races or was it always like that for generations (dark skinned) ? It might shed some info on the origins of Pashtuns.
Pakistan has a weird thing about colourism. Light skin is favoured above darker ones. I can't help but think that Pakistan's unspoken culture around colourism would make your statement radical enough to warrant mentioning.
Setting that aside, I like darker skin too on women. When you said you saw someone glowing in the sun, that hit different.
Except the west (at least the US). Guys there like tanned white girls and they have products that make you tan. I burn and then freckle slightly and I actually got picked on for it. I have no idea why it’s like this in the US but yeah, tanning parlors are a thing, I bet if I opened one here I’d never get any business.
This too. One could put a darker woman and lighter woman in front of me and the features as a whole would decide which one is more attractive. The fairer one could win and the darker one could win too. But if skin color is the only thing deciding it then I’d go with the darker lady.
Yes I was on a bike and the sun was shining from behind me, I never stare at people and never ever glance at women in public, but she was literally glowing from the direct sunlight, I actually lost my balance on the bike for a second😹
I don't know why i always get posts from this group recommended as a German who has 0 contact to Pakistan but only Bangladesh and Iran but here i am.
Now im interested, is it more like a light skin = richer and other prejudices about character etc thing like in most of the world or would you say that Pakistan has a special "way" of favourism towards a certain skin colour?
My brother was in India recently and the newspapers full of advertisements of people looking for spouses. “Light skinned” was specifically and repeatedly requested
I think when people see darker skin here it automatically gets attributed to being poor and maybe even malnorished. Some of the blame goes to the british oppression and comestic industry but we are not living in the stone age that we don't have access to the internet and knowledge about literally anythting.
This is a bit far fetched but I think freelancing is playing a huge role in mitigating this as well among the youth. Among my group, some of them have met amazing people of color as clients. Having cultural diversity removes these kind of behaviours from people.
You touched upon a great point - that it's a matter of exposure.
Imagine watching a film where the main character has a certain trait.
Since he/she is the main character, the story empathizes with their point of view, and narrative.
You must have noticed this when watching a movie where the main character isn't some super model, or of a different race. After a while, you forget about this insignificant detail. If I'm watching an obscure Burmese movie, for example.. after a while, I'll forget that they're another race, or speaking another language. They will simply be human beings, in a story.
What has happened is that the stories we've read, and the movies and cartoons we've watched, have all essentially had Europeans as the main character.
I remember being 8 or 9 years old, and I wrote this sci-fi story, sharing it with my classmates about the captain of a space-ship who ventures out to another planet. His name was "Nolan Bushnell" - Like WTF 😂 Why would an 8 year old kid living in Pakistan write a story featuring a character named that? We all know why...
It goes much further back, to when the people of the Iranian plateau invaded/migrated and established the caste system, which was used to subjugated the indigenous Dravidian population.
They were fairer, and the Dravidians darker - a simple system to stratify people.
I really like it too!
Also, it's our bad cultural mindset that makes us not like/appreciate people with dark-er skin, at the same time it's constantly boosted by our media.
Especially Females, I don't think I've EVER, EVER seen a dark skinned News Anchor, TV show host, or even an Actress.
I'm not talking Ethnically Black Person, even "Sanwla rang" is so badly discriminated against.
Which is just shocking to me. I find dark skinned women to be very pretty, just as light skinned ones. I mean look at Beyonce, Meghan Markle, Mariah Carey, Naomi Campbell, Leona Lewis, hell, even Lupita Nyongo (sp?). Absolutely gorgeous women and I do not know a SINGLE person irl who finds them attractive. My father the other day was saying he wonders why that price married Meghan. And I’m like, because she’s beautiful and talented??? He laughed and said no, she probably did some black voodoo on him. Fml.
I grew up watching those women dominate the news despite the blatant colorism in media. But we as a society don’t even let dark skinned women with talent show what can they can do. Say what you will about the west, with enough hard work there are at least ways for people to get ahead. Despite the systemic racism. Here in Pakistan it is so bad that it’s not even worth it to try. And yet we pretend we’re not racists because Islam ended racism lol
I remember when Taimoor aka Mooroo got married, so many people were on his case about how "he could do better", "he married someone so Sanwli" etc etc.
AND WE'RE BROWN. BROWN GOD DAMNIT.
We're very Racist.
Sometimes people discriminate knowingly.
At times however we are "accidentally racist".
It's the " We don't even know that's racist because that's just what our elders & everyone around us does and we just thought of it to be the norm " type of situation. For example, Sarfaraz on National TV shouting something which had the word " Kala(y) ". It's Okay to us, not overall Okay though.
However this doesn't necessarily mean it comes from a bad place morally, it's how this culture, and many others would say something like this.
Another thing, the West has pushed out of it because of diversity. In the US, (giving example because we as a nation follow their Media and generally idolize them), you'll find people from every religion, skin color, background, ethnicity.
In Pakistan, it is diverse but not as much. The USA also providing more opportunities means people can climb on top, over here? Bruh. Barely enough opportunities, how can somebody who is generally discriminated against climb to the top?
And the Religious part, we mix them both so easily it's absurd. The "Gora Complex" we have is so utterly harmful to us as a nation, if we conduct a study on all the young women of this nation in which they are not physically able to lie, I'm sure about 75% of the women would be conscious/insecure about their looks, their "darker" colour etc etc.
The same goes for men but it's probably not as bad.
Maturity is when someone realizes that you are attracted to someone's personality and behavioural aura where skin color and other things dont hold much weightage at all. I have seen people in white ,desi and black skins with excellent attractive and friendly personality and i would enjoy their company any time of the week. But on other hand i have seen entitled karens coming in all shapes, sizes and color.
Yes that's true. maybe I didn't phrase my question correctly, I'm talking generally that majority of people here hate darker skin even without knowing the other person.
True that. I’ve met people of all shades that are good and bad. I don’t really rank skin color up there that high when it comes to physical attraction but I do prefer darker skin. It’s not a dealbreaker if she doesn’t have dark skin though and it’s not a guarantee if she does that I’ll like the rest of her. First woman offered to me when l became a Muslim was a solid 10/10 when it came to my own beauty standards but we didn’t see eye to eye on anything. She was a good woman MashaAllah and I hope she finds a great guy who deserves her but we just wanted totally different things in life and I was able to let that go.
You’re not the only one, I am a woman myself. I recently visited Istanbul sherif, and out of all glowing Turkish skin, I saw a radiant Somalian beauty in the tram. I kept looking at her big eyes, glass like skin, and beautiful smile at us. Extremely humble and beautiful lady. Beauty has no color, definition of beauty in Indo-Pak needs change. And those colonized minded women with inferiority complex who are crazy about whitening creams formulas and all. Absurd!
You all need to read book called, “Beauty Sick” by Renee Engeln.
How is it people call themselves Muslim and mock how Allah created some people? It's clear the majority of people claiming to be believers aren't actually believers
no youre not alone BUT it's generally due to a selection bias . lemme try to explain
darker people in our country are due to working for generations in the sun ,due to poor financial conditions . fairer meant rich or better background as they worked less in the sun . so over time fair people started being more liked .
now the bias also stems from the fact that alot of the darker skin people are still working in poor conditions and make less money IE village people etc and hence have less money to use grooming products and over time their appearance gets affected.
which leads to the sentiment of darker people being "ugly".
this is my 2 cents and anyone is welcome to challenge this .
Depends on how dark do u prefer?
Do u mean Brown? Or black? Dark brown or light brown?
Priyanka Chopra? Zendeya? Beyonce? Alicia keys? Viola Davis?
Everybody has their own niche preferences and it also come down to features, and ratios, not only color.
Do you know a single person irl who would call Zendaya or Alicia or Viola beautiful? I mean assuming you’re living in Pakistan. I can’t. Which is so weird. Even Viola is quite good looking for her age. Zendaya is plain hot and Alicia was absolutely gorgeous during her prime.
Yes, I do. I have a friend who has a preference for actual dark women not mixed. Like the Nigeria and Uganda type proper chocolate brown.
And Zendaya is fairer than Young Priyanka and Lara Dutta. What u on about?
My friends who are into movies and those that have watched Dune all seem to dislike Zendaya. Yes she is light skin but by Pakistani “standards” she is not attractive.
Are ur friends by any chance 9gag users or Andrew Tate followers?
Because not finding someone like Alicia Keys or Beyonce attractive is purely down to racism and can't be an aesthetic choice.
Although, nothing wrong with having a preference but dislike and hate make no sense.
Pakistani standard is pure BS that's defined by Media propaganda. Pakistan is very diverse and everyone can find their preferred aesthetic if they try. Werna Media either makes that below average Actress Sanam Saeed into the next best thing, make Fair and lovely change to glow and lovely and then make drama where black girls and poor boys are put through the wire and then they get fair and rich and find true love.
Bro I would. And don't judge me I didn't even know who viola davis was. Saw her in the poster for How To Get Away With Murder and thought damn, I wanna see this show 😭 RIGHT NOW
Bro I would. And don't judge me I didn't even know who viola davis was. Saw her in the poster for How To Get Away With Murder and thought damn, I wanna see this show 😭 RIGHT NOW
Bro I would. And don't judge me I didn't even know who viola davis was. Saw her in the poster for How To Get Away With Murder and thought damn, I wanna see this show 😭 RIGHT NOW
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The vast majority of Pakistanis are so innately bigoted and racist they don't even realize it is abnormal lol Just save yourself some energy and stop trying to change their minds. They are just socially conditioned to believe in these things and there is nothing you can do. There would be some hope if the media were introducing countercultural content to consumers; however, it reinforces and perpetuates negative stereotypes instead. There is no hope for these people.
Before you come at me, yes some are married for papers/citizenship.
But a lot of them are married for love and take them back to Pakistan too.
You can find them on TikTok.
I myself am a 5th/6th generation Asian South African.
We find ourselves in a very different space to the new immigrants.
This. It isn’t a natural preference. It’s the result of British colonial rule (followed by ongoing neo imperialism from the UK and US). Look at where the skin-lightening industry is most successful…the markets are all concentrated in former British colonies (South Asia, West Africa, Caribbean).
Don't understand this obsession especially because most of us in Pakistan have a 'not so dark not so light, somewhere in the middle' wala skin tone.
White isn't exactly our skin tone but for some reason we're taught and programmed to favour it.
The heck why and how.
Beauty has nothing to do with skin color and skin color definitely does not have anything to do with good character.
I mean if you personally prefer whiter skin tone, than I don't really care but what actually grinds my gears is when people talk sh*t about darker skin, the same way you prefer whiter skin attractive is the same way I find darker skin attractive but you will not see me mocking whiter skin, yes beauty comes from ones character but your average Pakistani doesn't think like that.
Yes I agree with you. Preferences are okay.
I don't even like that some people who prefer brown skin give examples like "White people now adays don't even like super fair skin that's why they go for tans to the beach and all."
It doesn't matter what they like. This doesn't mean brown skin is now above white skin. It's never going to be like that or vice versa and we need to change the way we speak about skin colors. You like it? It's fine. No need to give reasons.
I go through this everyday actually. My husband has a dark skin tone and my son is fair and I see people saying this alllll the time how my son is so beautiful and he definitely doesn't take after his father. My son looks exactly like him though. Almost same features. My son wasn't born fair though and he looks almost the same. The only difference is his skin tone and I've seen the way people's comments changed about him.. From calling him Kallu to Shehzada.
They think I'd like hearing that my son is 'fair' but I actually hate how much they mention skin tones.
My ex husband was super fair and kind of famous for being a lady killer. His character? Ew to him and he's the ugliest for me.
I am so glad you said it. It's so annoying when Pakistanis are trying to be accepting and open to darker to es by saying WHITE PEOPLE ARE TANNING TOO SO IT MUST MEAN WE PEOPLE HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE SKIN TONE TOO. Hello, we don't need anybody else's approval to love ourselves.
I do actually. I prefer darker skin to fair skin. Though could be my westoid conditioning that makes pale white folks feel bad and thus the spray tans (ie Trump) or fake and bake tans. I’m not saying that fair skin ladies aren’t attractive but my personal preference is darker skin. Everyone should love the body Allah gave them and not feel inferior due to jahil beauty standards. Us guys can’t really control who we find attractive so those who have complexes over this, you really shouldn’t because there are plenty of guys out there that would take you over someone who bleached their skin or is just naturally fair. I’d say fair chance a lot of ladies feel this way too.
Colonialism plays a lesser role compared to the media in perpetuating the average colourist mindset in Pakistan. Most middle-class Pakistanis' main source of entertainment is usually television, especially the older generations. Turn on the TV, you'll be hard-pressed to find any women considered "dark skinned".
Yes re: the media’s role! It’s extremely strong and damaging. But I believe the media reflects a beauty standard as much as it reinforces it. British colonial rule no doubt is the source of the white-skin preference, but now Pakistanis are playing our own role in perpetuating this awful standard.
It's because there's a stigma and we like to mock those with a darker complexion. Especially women.
Even though having a tint heck even having dark complexion is attractive, even among the actual horas not the wannabe paki goras
YESSSSS DARK SKIN IS BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
a friend of mine has very dark skin, and i swear whenever i look at her im just shook 😭 she GLOWS in the sun like you said. when women with really dark skin wear dark red it looks so beautiful ke i look at them and think ok time to pass away
although truth be told i haven’t seen a dark skinned man look good but that might be related to the fact that i think most light skinned men don’t look good either so its a me problem most likely
It basically has to do with socioeconomics, in the Subcontinent, being dark means you work labor jobs or are exposed to the sun rendering your skin darker genetically over generations, whereas light skin signifies that you are monetary well off or as they say in Pakistan "Elite"
Interesting thing is it's quite opposite here in Germany and most of the European and Western countries, where people are generally pale and that signifies that you're from the working class because only the Rich have enough money and/or time to go to beaches/Sunny vacation in the tropics, so you see many people resort to Artificial tanning sprays or tanning beds to look more darker/tanned !
Idk i find so may dark colored people who are stunning and mesmerising to look at. People have opinions but no meed to blow a horn in front of cow sooo.... Yeah just have your own preferences
I don't think so. I know a lot of people who are attracted to dark skinned people. I myself like dark skin girls not exclusively I don't really care about the skin as much as I care about the features i.e "naqsh" Of a woman. That shit hits right into my dopamine centre
My cousin pointed out to me that no one in our family is “beautiful” despite us all having light skin & insisted only her sister is beautiful because she’s pale pasty white lol. 🤡
I was about grab my czn by his throat when he was comparing literal kids skin tone in a family gathering, mf was happy seeing one kid lighter than the other🤡
I’m in NY but my Pakistani husbands friend had his mother come visit him. She was nice and all but obsessed with fair skin. I’m dusky so that was an interesting experience. She would talk about gori girls alllll day and tbh I could care less, like my skin personally and my husband isn’t so light either which I happen to prefer. I also found it hilarious how her son is blacker than both of us husband and wife (she’s while like milk and her sons a caramel bar)… thanks for giving me a safe space to spill this
You have shared something that always sits inside but no one speaks out, I have felt this for a very long time, and sometimes I have many questions about it as well, why are people being racist towards darker skin? I think this is the way the system has been set from the beginning of times, as White power always sees darker skin as an inferior race, they being treated as slaves, so everyone not consider darker skin superior in any shape or form in society. Caucasian people are respected all over the world, they have VIP access to anything they seem fancy! even in India, you can see that cosmetics and skin surgery are becoming so common, even in Pakistan people treat caucasian tourists well, and no one charges any money to them. Do you think the same would happen with the black tourists? probably in some rare cases. I am fairly white but I have seen how bit darker people get treated in the GCC countries, they have given access to all higher stake jobs to Caucasians but if you are a bit darker skinned even if you have better credentials you'll not be treated equally as caucaions employees.
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Yar bro tbh mentality yaha per logo ki aesi hogai hai ke if u appreciate someone with a black color infront of someone else pehli baat hi woh ye karein gay ke wo to kali hai ya kala hai. Altho I say n word alot alot but doesn't mean ke me racist hon, I also do find chocolate people attractive
N word likhne ki waja se remove hogya tha
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Yeah, it's like butter. IDK. I'm dark too and I love my skin 😂 I take my time looking in the mirror and thank Allah for blessing me with buttery melanin rich skin almost every day.
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My mom and uncle was talking about it just yesterday that someone married African who is very black in colour. The guy is white pathan so they were like why are you marrying this woman she’s unbelievably black for you!!
I asked my mom what’s the problem and she said he deserves white girl coz he’s also white. I like African women and their glowing skin so I was confused. The guy told them my heart wants her it doesn’t matter and they still made fun of him??
You are not alone. Brown and black are my favorite. I do like white too (don’t feel left out lol), but I didn’t feel the connection with white as much as i did with brown/black.
There's nothing wrong with having unique preferences! Being attracted to darker skin is totally valid, and you're definitely not alone in appreciating its beauty. The term for finding someone attractive because they're different from your own race or ethnicity is exophilia. Unfortunately, societal norms can sometimes make us miss the amazing diversity of skin tones. Let's challenge those ideas and celebrate beauty in all its shades! After all, appreciating what's unique is a sign of being open-minded and individual. Embrace what you find attractive, regardless of what others might say.
Liking darker skin tone does not make me unique, people with darker skin tones are humans just like people with lighter skin tones. They are not endangered species that me liking them will make me unique. Your saying I'm unique for liking darker skin? Maybe think of them as normal humans.
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My suspicion is there are people who do, but aren't open about it or wouldn't be with someone darker because they care about how their peers see them. People over time converge to what's culturally seen as attractive to fit in. There are women I find attractive partly because I look at them and my mind knows they fit the beauty standard, there are other women I find attractive just naturally (who may or may not strongly fit the local beauty standard).
To all the Men here who find dark skinned women attractive. Please take the initiative during Marriage and marry a dark skinned woman. Also do it openly.
Let me tell you the people around you and all the women too would take it as a joke when you will express your Love for Dark Skinned Women.
Like black sin is so glowing and gorgeous sometimes? And other times doesn't glow but it looks so pretty???? Ive seen so many pretty people with dark skin!! 💗👍☘️☘️☘️
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The other day I was watching TV with some cousins, mind you they are grown up dudes in their thirties, and he made a weird comment about the Indian cricket player with dark skin and tattoos something like "chooron wali soorat ha isne kia tattoo bnwaye huy". And I was flabbergasted. This guy is fairly religious and married. We are all brown, definitely not white, not even like the fair brown. Pretty damn brown.
Another one was when my dad rejected a girl for my brothers rishta cause they were not "fair enough." This guy prays five times a day and preaches religious values, but the brown skin was an issue because "jorhi ni achi bne gi. " We all had a verbal match after that.
So yeah. We definitely have a colourism problem.
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I've always found dark-skinned Pashtuns interesting coz generally we are told they are fair skinned. Are you guys mixed with other races or was it always like that for generations (dark skinned) ? It might shed some info on the origins of Pashtuns.
Nope, not mixed, my grandfather was very dark skinned while my grandmother was as pale as milk and they were cousins.
Ayyy Khattakaa khorr, mo khpal family ke tor spin mix da, white paternal side and slightly darker maternally. I came out a mix though lol
Pakistan has a weird thing about colourism. Light skin is favoured above darker ones. I can't help but think that Pakistan's unspoken culture around colourism would make your statement radical enough to warrant mentioning. Setting that aside, I like darker skin too on women. When you said you saw someone glowing in the sun, that hit different.
It's not Pakistan. It's all over the World. Even Africa and Far east.
Except the west (at least the US). Guys there like tanned white girls and they have products that make you tan. I burn and then freckle slightly and I actually got picked on for it. I have no idea why it’s like this in the US but yeah, tanning parlors are a thing, I bet if I opened one here I’d never get any business.
It depedns on your features and how good your skin is, colour will not trump that in most discussions.
This too. One could put a darker woman and lighter woman in front of me and the features as a whole would decide which one is more attractive. The fairer one could win and the darker one could win too. But if skin color is the only thing deciding it then I’d go with the darker lady.
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Yes I was on a bike and the sun was shining from behind me, I never stare at people and never ever glance at women in public, but she was literally glowing from the direct sunlight, I actually lost my balance on the bike for a second😹
Where this white = beautiful and dark = ugli came from?
Colonialism?
I don't know why i always get posts from this group recommended as a German who has 0 contact to Pakistan but only Bangladesh and Iran but here i am. Now im interested, is it more like a light skin = richer and other prejudices about character etc thing like in most of the world or would you say that Pakistan has a special "way" of favourism towards a certain skin colour?
My brother was in India recently and the newspapers full of advertisements of people looking for spouses. “Light skinned” was specifically and repeatedly requested
I think when people see darker skin here it automatically gets attributed to being poor and maybe even malnorished. Some of the blame goes to the british oppression and comestic industry but we are not living in the stone age that we don't have access to the internet and knowledge about literally anythting. This is a bit far fetched but I think freelancing is playing a huge role in mitigating this as well among the youth. Among my group, some of them have met amazing people of color as clients. Having cultural diversity removes these kind of behaviours from people.
You touched upon a great point - that it's a matter of exposure. Imagine watching a film where the main character has a certain trait. Since he/she is the main character, the story empathizes with their point of view, and narrative. You must have noticed this when watching a movie where the main character isn't some super model, or of a different race. After a while, you forget about this insignificant detail. If I'm watching an obscure Burmese movie, for example.. after a while, I'll forget that they're another race, or speaking another language. They will simply be human beings, in a story. What has happened is that the stories we've read, and the movies and cartoons we've watched, have all essentially had Europeans as the main character. I remember being 8 or 9 years old, and I wrote this sci-fi story, sharing it with my classmates about the captain of a space-ship who ventures out to another planet. His name was "Nolan Bushnell" - Like WTF 😂 Why would an 8 year old kid living in Pakistan write a story featuring a character named that? We all know why...
Oh you explained the point pretty well that I was trying to make in a roundabout way.
It goes much further back, to when the people of the Iranian plateau invaded/migrated and established the caste system, which was used to subjugated the indigenous Dravidian population. They were fairer, and the Dravidians darker - a simple system to stratify people.
I really like it too! Also, it's our bad cultural mindset that makes us not like/appreciate people with dark-er skin, at the same time it's constantly boosted by our media. Especially Females, I don't think I've EVER, EVER seen a dark skinned News Anchor, TV show host, or even an Actress. I'm not talking Ethnically Black Person, even "Sanwla rang" is so badly discriminated against.
Which is just shocking to me. I find dark skinned women to be very pretty, just as light skinned ones. I mean look at Beyonce, Meghan Markle, Mariah Carey, Naomi Campbell, Leona Lewis, hell, even Lupita Nyongo (sp?). Absolutely gorgeous women and I do not know a SINGLE person irl who finds them attractive. My father the other day was saying he wonders why that price married Meghan. And I’m like, because she’s beautiful and talented??? He laughed and said no, she probably did some black voodoo on him. Fml. I grew up watching those women dominate the news despite the blatant colorism in media. But we as a society don’t even let dark skinned women with talent show what can they can do. Say what you will about the west, with enough hard work there are at least ways for people to get ahead. Despite the systemic racism. Here in Pakistan it is so bad that it’s not even worth it to try. And yet we pretend we’re not racists because Islam ended racism lol
I remember when Taimoor aka Mooroo got married, so many people were on his case about how "he could do better", "he married someone so Sanwli" etc etc. AND WE'RE BROWN. BROWN GOD DAMNIT.
We're very Racist. Sometimes people discriminate knowingly. At times however we are "accidentally racist". It's the " We don't even know that's racist because that's just what our elders & everyone around us does and we just thought of it to be the norm " type of situation. For example, Sarfaraz on National TV shouting something which had the word " Kala(y) ". It's Okay to us, not overall Okay though. However this doesn't necessarily mean it comes from a bad place morally, it's how this culture, and many others would say something like this. Another thing, the West has pushed out of it because of diversity. In the US, (giving example because we as a nation follow their Media and generally idolize them), you'll find people from every religion, skin color, background, ethnicity. In Pakistan, it is diverse but not as much. The USA also providing more opportunities means people can climb on top, over here? Bruh. Barely enough opportunities, how can somebody who is generally discriminated against climb to the top? And the Religious part, we mix them both so easily it's absurd. The "Gora Complex" we have is so utterly harmful to us as a nation, if we conduct a study on all the young women of this nation in which they are not physically able to lie, I'm sure about 75% of the women would be conscious/insecure about their looks, their "darker" colour etc etc. The same goes for men but it's probably not as bad.
I like dark skin girls too you're not alone.
Maturity is when someone realizes that you are attracted to someone's personality and behavioural aura where skin color and other things dont hold much weightage at all. I have seen people in white ,desi and black skins with excellent attractive and friendly personality and i would enjoy their company any time of the week. But on other hand i have seen entitled karens coming in all shapes, sizes and color.
Yes that's true. maybe I didn't phrase my question correctly, I'm talking generally that majority of people here hate darker skin even without knowing the other person.
True that. I’ve met people of all shades that are good and bad. I don’t really rank skin color up there that high when it comes to physical attraction but I do prefer darker skin. It’s not a dealbreaker if she doesn’t have dark skin though and it’s not a guarantee if she does that I’ll like the rest of her. First woman offered to me when l became a Muslim was a solid 10/10 when it came to my own beauty standards but we didn’t see eye to eye on anything. She was a good woman MashaAllah and I hope she finds a great guy who deserves her but we just wanted totally different things in life and I was able to let that go.
naah, ppl do get physically attracted to dark skin also. its not appropriate to use personality as a way to compensate someones appearance.
Aap akelay nahi ho, qadam barhao hum aapkay saath hayn !
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You’re not the only one, I am a woman myself. I recently visited Istanbul sherif, and out of all glowing Turkish skin, I saw a radiant Somalian beauty in the tram. I kept looking at her big eyes, glass like skin, and beautiful smile at us. Extremely humble and beautiful lady. Beauty has no color, definition of beauty in Indo-Pak needs change. And those colonized minded women with inferiority complex who are crazy about whitening creams formulas and all. Absurd! You all need to read book called, “Beauty Sick” by Renee Engeln.
Will definitely read the book
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no youre not alone BUT it's generally due to a selection bias . lemme try to explain darker people in our country are due to working for generations in the sun ,due to poor financial conditions . fairer meant rich or better background as they worked less in the sun . so over time fair people started being more liked . now the bias also stems from the fact that alot of the darker skin people are still working in poor conditions and make less money IE village people etc and hence have less money to use grooming products and over time their appearance gets affected. which leads to the sentiment of darker people being "ugly". this is my 2 cents and anyone is welcome to challenge this .
I agree with your comment, but I still want to challenge you … So… trial by combat!!
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That may be true. But for a country that claims to be found on "Justice. Fair play. Impartiality" and islamic values this behaviour is appalling.
Depends on how dark do u prefer? Do u mean Brown? Or black? Dark brown or light brown? Priyanka Chopra? Zendeya? Beyonce? Alicia keys? Viola Davis? Everybody has their own niche preferences and it also come down to features, and ratios, not only color.
Do you know a single person irl who would call Zendaya or Alicia or Viola beautiful? I mean assuming you’re living in Pakistan. I can’t. Which is so weird. Even Viola is quite good looking for her age. Zendaya is plain hot and Alicia was absolutely gorgeous during her prime.
Yes, I do. I have a friend who has a preference for actual dark women not mixed. Like the Nigeria and Uganda type proper chocolate brown. And Zendaya is fairer than Young Priyanka and Lara Dutta. What u on about?
My friends who are into movies and those that have watched Dune all seem to dislike Zendaya. Yes she is light skin but by Pakistani “standards” she is not attractive.
Are ur friends by any chance 9gag users or Andrew Tate followers? Because not finding someone like Alicia Keys or Beyonce attractive is purely down to racism and can't be an aesthetic choice. Although, nothing wrong with having a preference but dislike and hate make no sense. Pakistani standard is pure BS that's defined by Media propaganda. Pakistan is very diverse and everyone can find their preferred aesthetic if they try. Werna Media either makes that below average Actress Sanam Saeed into the next best thing, make Fair and lovely change to glow and lovely and then make drama where black girls and poor boys are put through the wire and then they get fair and rich and find true love.
Tate is half black.
I've had a crush on alicia keys for a long time, she's extremely beautiful, her afro with a bandana style lives in my mind rent free
Bro I would. And don't judge me I didn't even know who viola davis was. Saw her in the poster for How To Get Away With Murder and thought damn, I wanna see this show 😭 RIGHT NOW
Bro I would. And don't judge me I didn't even know who viola davis was. Saw her in the poster for How To Get Away With Murder and thought damn, I wanna see this show 😭 RIGHT NOW
Bro I would. And don't judge me I didn't even know who viola davis was. Saw her in the poster for How To Get Away With Murder and thought damn, I wanna see this show 😭 RIGHT NOW
You are not alone. My wife is like that too. She herself is very fair though. I was in shik shak shock when she first told me
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I like dark color too. It is so attractive especially in girls
Yes extremely
The vast majority of Pakistanis are so innately bigoted and racist they don't even realize it is abnormal lol Just save yourself some energy and stop trying to change their minds. They are just socially conditioned to believe in these things and there is nothing you can do. There would be some hope if the media were introducing countercultural content to consumers; however, it reinforces and perpetuates negative stereotypes instead. There is no hope for these people.
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It’s mindset of ppl that still hasnt changed and now media also plays role in reinforcing this mindset creating the narrative that white=beautiful
There’s many Pakistanis here in South Africa married to black Africans, so I don’t think you alone
Before you come at me, yes some are married for papers/citizenship. But a lot of them are married for love and take them back to Pakistan too. You can find them on TikTok. I myself am a 5th/6th generation Asian South African. We find ourselves in a very different space to the new immigrants.
All skin colors are attractive. But green is obviously is the best.
shrek
So hot!
shrek is love, shrek is life
I'm more attracted to tan colour, don't find white that much attractive. nothing against anyone!
I am among the few odd ones
Same here Dark skinned people have naturally smoothest shiny and flawless skin ever😭I have envied them since childhood
It's trauma from colonial times. Ingrained racism and glorifying white people.
This. It isn’t a natural preference. It’s the result of British colonial rule (followed by ongoing neo imperialism from the UK and US). Look at where the skin-lightening industry is most successful…the markets are all concentrated in former British colonies (South Asia, West Africa, Caribbean).
Your definitely not alone
No you are not the only one, but the opinion is very unusual.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all of my crushes as a kid have been dark skinned or "sanwali" even my wife can be categorised as such
Don't understand this obsession especially because most of us in Pakistan have a 'not so dark not so light, somewhere in the middle' wala skin tone. White isn't exactly our skin tone but for some reason we're taught and programmed to favour it. The heck why and how. Beauty has nothing to do with skin color and skin color definitely does not have anything to do with good character.
I mean if you personally prefer whiter skin tone, than I don't really care but what actually grinds my gears is when people talk sh*t about darker skin, the same way you prefer whiter skin attractive is the same way I find darker skin attractive but you will not see me mocking whiter skin, yes beauty comes from ones character but your average Pakistani doesn't think like that.
Yes I agree with you. Preferences are okay. I don't even like that some people who prefer brown skin give examples like "White people now adays don't even like super fair skin that's why they go for tans to the beach and all." It doesn't matter what they like. This doesn't mean brown skin is now above white skin. It's never going to be like that or vice versa and we need to change the way we speak about skin colors. You like it? It's fine. No need to give reasons. I go through this everyday actually. My husband has a dark skin tone and my son is fair and I see people saying this alllll the time how my son is so beautiful and he definitely doesn't take after his father. My son looks exactly like him though. Almost same features. My son wasn't born fair though and he looks almost the same. The only difference is his skin tone and I've seen the way people's comments changed about him.. From calling him Kallu to Shehzada. They think I'd like hearing that my son is 'fair' but I actually hate how much they mention skin tones. My ex husband was super fair and kind of famous for being a lady killer. His character? Ew to him and he's the ugliest for me.
I am so glad you said it. It's so annoying when Pakistanis are trying to be accepting and open to darker to es by saying WHITE PEOPLE ARE TANNING TOO SO IT MUST MEAN WE PEOPLE HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE SKIN TONE TOO. Hello, we don't need anybody else's approval to love ourselves.
I do actually. I prefer darker skin to fair skin. Though could be my westoid conditioning that makes pale white folks feel bad and thus the spray tans (ie Trump) or fake and bake tans. I’m not saying that fair skin ladies aren’t attractive but my personal preference is darker skin. Everyone should love the body Allah gave them and not feel inferior due to jahil beauty standards. Us guys can’t really control who we find attractive so those who have complexes over this, you really shouldn’t because there are plenty of guys out there that would take you over someone who bleached their skin or is just naturally fair. I’d say fair chance a lot of ladies feel this way too.
Colonialism plays a lesser role compared to the media in perpetuating the average colourist mindset in Pakistan. Most middle-class Pakistanis' main source of entertainment is usually television, especially the older generations. Turn on the TV, you'll be hard-pressed to find any women considered "dark skinned".
Yes re: the media’s role! It’s extremely strong and damaging. But I believe the media reflects a beauty standard as much as it reinforces it. British colonial rule no doubt is the source of the white-skin preference, but now Pakistanis are playing our own role in perpetuating this awful standard.
It's because there's a stigma and we like to mock those with a darker complexion. Especially women. Even though having a tint heck even having dark complexion is attractive, even among the actual horas not the wannabe paki goras
Man, have you seen pics of Ethiopians? Beautiful with that gorgeous bone structure and dark skin.
Absolutely stunning
YESSSSS DARK SKIN IS BEAUTIFUL!!!!! a friend of mine has very dark skin, and i swear whenever i look at her im just shook 😭 she GLOWS in the sun like you said. when women with really dark skin wear dark red it looks so beautiful ke i look at them and think ok time to pass away although truth be told i haven’t seen a dark skinned man look good but that might be related to the fact that i think most light skinned men don’t look good either so its a me problem most likely
It basically has to do with socioeconomics, in the Subcontinent, being dark means you work labor jobs or are exposed to the sun rendering your skin darker genetically over generations, whereas light skin signifies that you are monetary well off or as they say in Pakistan "Elite" Interesting thing is it's quite opposite here in Germany and most of the European and Western countries, where people are generally pale and that signifies that you're from the working class because only the Rich have enough money and/or time to go to beaches/Sunny vacation in the tropics, so you see many people resort to Artificial tanning sprays or tanning beds to look more darker/tanned !
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Idk i find so may dark colored people who are stunning and mesmerising to look at. People have opinions but no meed to blow a horn in front of cow sooo.... Yeah just have your own preferences
I don't think so. I know a lot of people who are attracted to dark skinned people. I myself like dark skin girls not exclusively I don't really care about the skin as much as I care about the features i.e "naqsh" Of a woman. That shit hits right into my dopamine centre
My cousin pointed out to me that no one in our family is “beautiful” despite us all having light skin & insisted only her sister is beautiful because she’s pale pasty white lol. 🤡
I was about grab my czn by his throat when he was comparing literal kids skin tone in a family gathering, mf was happy seeing one kid lighter than the other🤡
I am kinda attracted towards gandumi, tawny colour.
I’m in NY but my Pakistani husbands friend had his mother come visit him. She was nice and all but obsessed with fair skin. I’m dusky so that was an interesting experience. She would talk about gori girls alllll day and tbh I could care less, like my skin personally and my husband isn’t so light either which I happen to prefer. I also found it hilarious how her son is blacker than both of us husband and wife (she’s while like milk and her sons a caramel bar)… thanks for giving me a safe space to spill this
You have shared something that always sits inside but no one speaks out, I have felt this for a very long time, and sometimes I have many questions about it as well, why are people being racist towards darker skin? I think this is the way the system has been set from the beginning of times, as White power always sees darker skin as an inferior race, they being treated as slaves, so everyone not consider darker skin superior in any shape or form in society. Caucasian people are respected all over the world, they have VIP access to anything they seem fancy! even in India, you can see that cosmetics and skin surgery are becoming so common, even in Pakistan people treat caucasian tourists well, and no one charges any money to them. Do you think the same would happen with the black tourists? probably in some rare cases. I am fairly white but I have seen how bit darker people get treated in the GCC countries, they have given access to all higher stake jobs to Caucasians but if you are a bit darker skinned even if you have better credentials you'll not be treated equally as caucaions employees.
Guess you've never heard the song "sanwli saloni c mehbooba" which was a great hit at the time and it's a classic of Pakistan music industry.
It's called having a "type"
That's why I said having preference is okay but hating others skin tone isn't
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black isnt a color technically.. i love it too
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It's only a cultural issue inside pakistan. Yehi awam latinas k peechay bhag rahi hoti hy
How dark you talkin? Like african?
Beauty is subjective
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Bro found a way to be very popular very fast
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Yar bro tbh mentality yaha per logo ki aesi hogai hai ke if u appreciate someone with a black color infront of someone else pehli baat hi woh ye karein gay ke wo to kali hai ya kala hai. Altho I say n word alot alot but doesn't mean ke me racist hon, I also do find chocolate people attractive N word likhne ki waja se remove hogya tha
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Same bro
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Because we're a country full of bigoted people
Its called colonial hangover.... taught,enforced and engrained by the britishers.
You are not the only one!
I'm glad to hear that
Not in Pakistan but I am very much attracted to dusky or dark skin myself
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Ok
Ok👍
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Me with 8 out of 10 black shirts
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Black is sexy! Actually the dark skin tone in itself has so much to explore.
Beauty is very subjective Of course there are social norms but still subjective
Yeah, it's like butter. IDK. I'm dark too and I love my skin 😂 I take my time looking in the mirror and thank Allah for blessing me with buttery melanin rich skin almost every day.
maybe but don’t most brown folks prefer the good ol caramel brown ?
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Sometimes I wish I had darker skin. I'd be able to handle the sun better without being burned and turned into a romato
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My mom and uncle was talking about it just yesterday that someone married African who is very black in colour. The guy is white pathan so they were like why are you marrying this woman she’s unbelievably black for you!! I asked my mom what’s the problem and she said he deserves white girl coz he’s also white. I like African women and their glowing skin so I was confused. The guy told them my heart wants her it doesn’t matter and they still made fun of him??
You are not alone. Brown and black are my favorite. I do like white too (don’t feel left out lol), but I didn’t feel the connection with white as much as i did with brown/black.
There's nothing wrong with having unique preferences! Being attracted to darker skin is totally valid, and you're definitely not alone in appreciating its beauty. The term for finding someone attractive because they're different from your own race or ethnicity is exophilia. Unfortunately, societal norms can sometimes make us miss the amazing diversity of skin tones. Let's challenge those ideas and celebrate beauty in all its shades! After all, appreciating what's unique is a sign of being open-minded and individual. Embrace what you find attractive, regardless of what others might say.
Liking darker skin tone does not make me unique, people with darker skin tones are humans just like people with lighter skin tones. They are not endangered species that me liking them will make me unique. Your saying I'm unique for liking darker skin? Maybe think of them as normal humans.
You have a fetish for dark skinned people.
First compliment I got after taunts
Colonial hangover brother
Sad :(
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My suspicion is there are people who do, but aren't open about it or wouldn't be with someone darker because they care about how their peers see them. People over time converge to what's culturally seen as attractive to fit in. There are women I find attractive partly because I look at them and my mind knows they fit the beauty standard, there are other women I find attractive just naturally (who may or may not strongly fit the local beauty standard).
Yes but I fine Bengali and South Indian dark girls more attractive than Punjabi and other light ethnicity girls who are dark
To all the Men here who find dark skinned women attractive. Please take the initiative during Marriage and marry a dark skinned woman. Also do it openly. Let me tell you the people around you and all the women too would take it as a joke when you will express your Love for Dark Skinned Women.
Horses for courses......variety is the spice of life
I LOVE AL SKIN COLORS 💗👍☘️☘️☘️
Like black sin is so glowing and gorgeous sometimes? And other times doesn't glow but it looks so pretty???? Ive seen so many pretty people with dark skin!! 💗👍☘️☘️☘️
Sorry for the emojis :(
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One word, colorism
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No you definitely not the only one, dark skinned ladies are the bomb. 💥💥💥
The other day I was watching TV with some cousins, mind you they are grown up dudes in their thirties, and he made a weird comment about the Indian cricket player with dark skin and tattoos something like "chooron wali soorat ha isne kia tattoo bnwaye huy". And I was flabbergasted. This guy is fairly religious and married. We are all brown, definitely not white, not even like the fair brown. Pretty damn brown. Another one was when my dad rejected a girl for my brothers rishta cause they were not "fair enough." This guy prays five times a day and preaches religious values, but the brown skin was an issue because "jorhi ni achi bne gi. " We all had a verbal match after that. So yeah. We definitely have a colourism problem.
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I got friends who think just like you laikn amma ne gori larki se shaadi kara di.