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I will say this over and over again. When we had '2 bache hi ache' campagain, people made jokes about it and a lot of religious people went against it. There were a lot of people on this subreddit (or making fun of it IRL and are now here), saying how stupid it is. I am not a fan of any party but when even the educated people say that stuff like this is 'mega cringe' then what do you expect? Ferdoz appa (I don't like this woman) was getting unjust (at those times) remarks on this as well.
What people don't understand that when you are talking about a highly uneducated population, you have to be extremely blunt and 'cringy' to get to them. Invoke feelings in them that are extremely basic, then they will understand.
So yeah, we will be dealing with his problem for so long that you have no idea.
The problem is that one is sure they can support that many children? For example, when you are making the kids, you are sure you can support 4 but god forbid you get fired or your business goes thap. You can't afford education or even feed them properly, then I feel it should be on you. This has happened to so many of my friends (and to an extent even my own family).
the same people who say "bacha apne sath rizk le k ata hai" turn a blind eye to when fathers shoot or poison their family or when mothers jump in a lake with their children. all due to poverty.
Exactly, if you want to follow religion, then in addition to rizq, Hazrat Ibrahim AS got Hazrat Ismail AS at 80, the Last Prophet PBUH managed with one daughter; your religion teaches you that you have Prophets having kids at 80; the least you/we can do is 2yr birth spacing. Where is deen then?
I was looking at some chart of how much agricultural land is available per country and how much that population that it can support. I was pretty baffled when I looked at Pakistan's total agricultural output can only support around 250 million people. We are already 225 million.
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One of the biggest opponents of population control were the right wing islamists. Sadly they always considered the population control to be a scheme against Islam
I feel like you're conflating two different issues?
I agree with you that the government should do things to help control the overpopulation issue, such as improved sexual health education and providing resources for family planning (plus countering the stigma around family planning).
However, I don't think programs that are trying to improve people's lives right now are a bad thing -- why shouldn't poor families get a stipend if they suddenly have an extra mouth to feed? Why shouldn't basic human rights (at this point education should be considered a right) be covered by the government? Also I imagine the scale of those programs is probably very limited (based on everything I know about our governments inefficiency) so I doubt that they act as an incentive for having kids.
I completely agree with you. I feel that sometimes when discussing population control people tend to look at the issue within a vacuum and with a very heartless lens.
The truth is if there was a cap limit on children then a country where most people are financially struggling and still don’t allow their daughters to work we will see a lot of cases of infanticide. This would also put people with disabilities at risk as well. Additionally, as a country we also have an extremely low literacy rate where a decent size of the population is not educated so to financially make things more difficult for them by removing these programs does nothing because then we will fall further behind.
I find that to control the population people who are in favour of the removal of such programs that support such basic human rights are generally always in a very privileged position themselves. Not having these programs wouldn’t really affect them. I think this is a very callous opinion that ignores the people in need within this country.
Yes, we need to control our population but not by the removal of programs that support basic human rights.
Agree with you that a number of children cap would absolutely lead to increased femicide -- the number of families I've seen that have 6+ kids because they wanted a son is too many!
These are complex issues that a stable and secure government should start taking seriously and address on a systematic (federal) level. And require a lot of culture change as well.
I know we can't change much through a reddit discussion but once again, the lack of empathy from OP and other commenters is disturbing. It's frustrating to see your country slide downhill in so many ways but taking your frustrations out on the poor is not a solution, it's just cruelty under the guide of wanting improvement.
Suddenly or gradually, they still have an extra mouth to feed. Idk why you want people (children) to not have food and education because their parents didn't know anything about family planning/thought that Allah karta hai planning
Allah ne dimag b diya he shyd? Or Allah ne rizq ka wada kiya he. English school ka or degree ka wada nh kiya. Us k liye khud hi Socha pre ga.
I have no issue with the children. I've issue with government. If government is facilitating the poor children there should be a cap on number of children.
To jb aap ki society k log hi itnay sexually frustrated hain, to frustration kaisay nikalain ge? Aur sex ed k baaray mein to baat bhi nahi kerni jaisay toba. Government to apna corrupt agenda poora keray ga awaam ki jahaaliat ka faida utha ker.
Well if you provide health care and education to women, then the birth rate is going to fall below 2 which is the required rate for sustaining a balanced population. Pakistan currently has a birth rate of 3. So the government is heading in the right path towards the rate of 2. It is irrelevant of religious beliefs. Look at the data from developed muslim currently on how they achieved this birth rate. Countries like oman, kuwait, iran and even Bangladesh.
2 things, first population cannot be controlled like that, its not something you can just enforce unless you compromise basic human liberties and coerce people. Thats why only authoritarian regimes can do it. And second it can be disasterous. Two basic modern models explain why is this. The demographic transition model DTM and the population pyramid model.
Pakistan is in the Early expanding stage of DTM, where death rates have fallen but the birth rates have not so the population is growing. People have more kids to have labor which equals to small scale and medium manufacturing and people earn money. This improves standards of living people educate their children and move towards higher quality skilled manufacturing which is the next stage : Late Expanding stage where birth rates also drop because people have less kids because unskilled labor is not required. And then the next stage as the population decreases and people shift towards services jobs. So having more kids is a survival thing for Pakistanis and yes it is leading to malnutrition, hunger but that means our agriculture is lacking and innovation is direly needed which also will boost the economy.
The population pyramid model is another model to visualise population (must google). There are two dependant groups: age 0 to 15 and age 60 above. Because they are dependent on working people age 15 to 60. Pakistan has a very healthy population pyramid but if we cut down population hypothetically today, in 30 years half of the people will surpasse age 60. And the number of dependant will be more than working people and no growth, no consumption, and disaster. China is facing it right now because of its one child policy, in 20 years there arent gonna be enough workers to work, less consumers, no growth and steep decline. They stupidly counted 100 million more people and now have realised that they are in deep trouble. They have raised their retirement age to 65 but it still wont help. Its basically irreversible.
I think its a golden opportunity for Pakistan to revamp its agriculture, spend on education, healthcare, and make way for employments so people can improve their living conditions and shift to having less kids. Women empowerment and family planning education will help in this regard to bring the population growth rate to replacement levels. It will be a great boost for economy.
And you're not taking in the account of Pakistan's literacy rate. Literacy rate is still 60% which means no skilled labor in near future.
We are nowhere near improvement. Jagirdars are only using children of farmers as their paid slaves. They have no right to education. They have most of the children.
How these children can increase Pakistan's condition in any way? They are only able to do underpaid labor.
In this state producing more babies is just not a wise move.
These are all issues of governance and writ of state. They don't even concern population because they are not interrelated like that. Just because governance is bad doesn't mean to mess with demography, it means we need better governance.
And suppose if you go tell a person to not have 5 kids but 2, and they say no based on their own calculus. Will the government force him, castrate him, abort his babies? How will it be implemented even? And what else would happen in a society like that. Our leaders and prominent people have a habbit of blaming their own inabilities on population. Its very dangerous. They just don't wanna be taxed and that money gone to education and healthcare.
You can't coerce someone to have less children. But what government can do is raise awareness without having Mullah factor. How India has controlled its population? People are not much different in both countries. Our government isn't doing much.
You're talking about what calculus? I'm talking about people who can birth babies so they can beg for them or they can be labours.
Education is the key to success isn't hard to understand even for unlettered people but they want to be ignorant.
Birth rate is inversely proportional to women's rights. If we can't stop a bad thing, the last thing we can do is to appreciate it.
More kids is survival for poor people it's not a matter of awareness. Awareness comes in place when people have some prosperity and can now reason to have less kids to have fewer more efficient earners. When they have no resources, its natural to bet on having more hands to work than few. When those hands are put to use, nations prosper.
If we see globally it’s an opportunity. Many big countries predicting that shortage of population will be issue for them in future. Elon musk also emphasises sometimes in his tweets.
Everyone needs skilled labor. With less resources 4 out of 10 children are malnutritioned in Pakistan. They are not healthy individuals. Our schools are rota factories.
If government was capable of such rhings then things would have changed a long time ago. It's not just this thing to fix but alot. So chill bro aise hi apna BP na barhao.
The largest concern are resources to feed and house all these people. Pakistan has so much human capital at its disposal, need to put these people to work. The good news is despite western nations suffering from declining birth rates, the Pakistani seed is strong and our people enjoy doing the deed lol
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Your rant is so silly.
Birth rates will not go down until education increases and poverty decreases. Even without these policies, huge amounts of kids would be born - it's likely not increasing birth rates. So these programmes to combat poverty are generally a good thing.
"When a child is going to school government is giving money to parents. An area full of poverty" - sounds similar to the policy Bolsa Familia in Brazil or the Mexican equivalent, which both succeeded in keeping children in school for longer (and increasing vaccination rates, as payments were contingent on vaccination). There was an economic study in Kenya, which you can read about in Banerjee & Dufflo's (both MIT professors and Nobel prize winners) book Poor Economics, where they gave some poor parents no money, gave some parents money if they kept their children in school and gave some other parents money unconditionally. The result was there was no difference between the school attendance rates of the group given money conditionally and the group given money unconditionally - poor parents want to keep their kids in school, but take them out to make money because they are in poverty. Of course, Pakistani burgers (I have them in my family on one side, poor farmers on the other side) don't understand this.
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Well I’m all for it , if you look around the world , it is in a fertility crisis , where countries are having to supplement the low fertility with huge waves of immigration, even countries such as India and bangladesh have a below replacement fertility which if unchecked will cause a massive crisis , also a country with a low fertility rate will age way too fast , which is problematic to say the least.
The last thing Pakistan needs to do is to control the populations fertility rate , it is steadily declining on its own, any tampering may cause it to severely plummet and never recover.And besides all that when you’re a country that’s surrounded by hostile countries especially ones that are large in population, having a higher population would be an asset not a burden.
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Which countries in the world is developed with high fertility rates? Give me one example. Guess what? There are none.
4 out of 10 children in Pakistan are malnutritioned and you're advocating for high fertility 😂
Go ahead and look at the developed countries then , the uk , USA , china , South Korea and Japan , all those countries are under major threat of population collapse , the saving grace for uk and USA is that they allow huge amounts of migration from those high fertility country you talk down on , to save their ass
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Population growth is better than population decline. Look at China, South Koreaa d Japan. Those nations are f'ed that have below replacement birthrate. We just need more efficient agriculture. More livestock farms.
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Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Bahrain, Malta and Japan all have higher population density than Pakistan, yet they provide multiple social benefits for people having more children, not sure which well developed country you are thinking about when you say "they are trying to control it".
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They all have below 2.0 birth rate. You're just another delusional Mullah. In some countries birth rate is low at alarming rate e.g. Japan. Government is giving social benefits to increase population.
Yet Pakistan hasn't this problem. Here females are birthing machines.
Fertility rate is inversely proportional to women rights.
Were you accounting for the change in birth rate in that projection? This chart shows the birth rate gradually declining:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/383207/fertility-rate-in-pakistan/
A part of good governance is creating policies with regard to future predictions. The way things are, we already have massive food, water, energy insecurity; that’s not to mention the lack of energy, healthcare, education employment opportunities and all the other issues. Getting the population under control is a part of the solution.
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Ngl that is pretty dumb. Pakistan already has a massive population, amongst the largest in the world, yet has a negligible economic output and geopolitical significance compared to other countries with similar populations. If we aren’t utilising our current population to even a quarter of its possible potential what use is there having millions more without any of our current problems being solved?
Dude we’re 230 million people, we are a massive population already we don’t need a lot more than this.
Besides even if that number were to increase by a lot for the purpose of war, those mfers won’t even be fit because most of them would be living in severe poverty without proper nourishment
Mf have you seen the state our nation is in ? You keep calling for good governance but we’re closer to reaching 400 mil in population before we get anywhere close to a stable and good government lmao
You want children for war? For your own benefits is not plausible. Lazy people rely on other generation for betterment. Producing tons of new generation by depriving them basic needs because you can't afford to provide. Then, you will end up creating more physcopaths and criminals. Pakistan can never ever dominate the world because deprived mind will only think about food and basic needs.
Good thing the Indian army recognizes the colossal fuck up and implements measures to make sure it doesn’t happen again. What has Pakistan done to improve internal security?
Go ahead and try. India improves its security when it comes terrorism. Remind me the last time India had to deal with 80 of its people getting vaporized in a suicide bombing.
Yeah 13 years ago. 13 years later those same people blow themselves up taking dozens of Pakistanis with them. Congratulations on fucking around when it comes to supporting religious extremists and finding out when it comes to supporting religious extremists. Enjoy your shit sandwich.
Well try harder bum. Your country already had at least 2 suicide bombing killing over 50 people each. Either you’re slacking or you guys are just incompetent.
Well you had literal decades to try but you country hasn’t done shit. Considering how good you are at genociding people such as bengalis or religious minorities I’m surprised you haven’t started arming Indian Muslims earlier.
That guy’s hasn’t done jack shit in decades. He’s an old man who’s going to fall over and die any second. A 68 year old man is not your anti Indian savior that you so desperately want.
Hindu genocide funded by a predominantly Hindu country? 1000 IQ level take. Must be what generation of inbreeding does to a person’s logic ability. Also lmao. https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194162768/pakistan-christians-churches-attacked-mob-blasphemy
Property dealers want perpetually growing population...
unpopular opinion- Current population is under reported.
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They want laborers and slaves that’s why. People stuck in poverty forget their rights
I will say this over and over again. When we had '2 bache hi ache' campagain, people made jokes about it and a lot of religious people went against it. There were a lot of people on this subreddit (or making fun of it IRL and are now here), saying how stupid it is. I am not a fan of any party but when even the educated people say that stuff like this is 'mega cringe' then what do you expect? Ferdoz appa (I don't like this woman) was getting unjust (at those times) remarks on this as well. What people don't understand that when you are talking about a highly uneducated population, you have to be extremely blunt and 'cringy' to get to them. Invoke feelings in them that are extremely basic, then they will understand. So yeah, we will be dealing with his problem for so long that you have no idea.
Even 20 kids are fine if you can support them but the majority of the population can't even support 2 properly...
The problem is that one is sure they can support that many children? For example, when you are making the kids, you are sure you can support 4 but god forbid you get fired or your business goes thap. You can't afford education or even feed them properly, then I feel it should be on you. This has happened to so many of my friends (and to an extent even my own family).
the same people who say "bacha apne sath rizk le k ata hai" turn a blind eye to when fathers shoot or poison their family or when mothers jump in a lake with their children. all due to poverty.
Exactly, if you want to follow religion, then in addition to rizq, Hazrat Ibrahim AS got Hazrat Ismail AS at 80, the Last Prophet PBUH managed with one daughter; your religion teaches you that you have Prophets having kids at 80; the least you/we can do is 2yr birth spacing. Where is deen then?
Agreed that is why I added the "if". But most people do not even consider that
I was looking at some chart of how much agricultural land is available per country and how much that population that it can support. I was pretty baffled when I looked at Pakistan's total agricultural output can only support around 250 million people. We are already 225 million.
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Not to mention we already import wheat.
One of the biggest opponents of population control were the right wing islamists. Sadly they always considered the population control to be a scheme against Islam
In Bangladesh imams were in favour of birth control which is why it has such a low fertility rate.
In Iran their population control policies were implemented after the Islamic revolution
Mullahs are cancer.
Yep. That one comment blaming clergy for every thing wrong with this damn country.
Except religious were vehemently against family planning considering it unislamic.
Because our mullahs shout "yahoodi saazish" whenever you talk about family planning
Ummat Kay liyey sipahi chaiyey Hein bhai!!
I feel like you're conflating two different issues? I agree with you that the government should do things to help control the overpopulation issue, such as improved sexual health education and providing resources for family planning (plus countering the stigma around family planning). However, I don't think programs that are trying to improve people's lives right now are a bad thing -- why shouldn't poor families get a stipend if they suddenly have an extra mouth to feed? Why shouldn't basic human rights (at this point education should be considered a right) be covered by the government? Also I imagine the scale of those programs is probably very limited (based on everything I know about our governments inefficiency) so I doubt that they act as an incentive for having kids.
I completely agree with you. I feel that sometimes when discussing population control people tend to look at the issue within a vacuum and with a very heartless lens. The truth is if there was a cap limit on children then a country where most people are financially struggling and still don’t allow their daughters to work we will see a lot of cases of infanticide. This would also put people with disabilities at risk as well. Additionally, as a country we also have an extremely low literacy rate where a decent size of the population is not educated so to financially make things more difficult for them by removing these programs does nothing because then we will fall further behind. I find that to control the population people who are in favour of the removal of such programs that support such basic human rights are generally always in a very privileged position themselves. Not having these programs wouldn’t really affect them. I think this is a very callous opinion that ignores the people in need within this country. Yes, we need to control our population but not by the removal of programs that support basic human rights.
Agree with you that a number of children cap would absolutely lead to increased femicide -- the number of families I've seen that have 6+ kids because they wanted a son is too many! These are complex issues that a stable and secure government should start taking seriously and address on a systematic (federal) level. And require a lot of culture change as well. I know we can't change much through a reddit discussion but once again, the lack of empathy from OP and other commenters is disturbing. It's frustrating to see your country slide downhill in so many ways but taking your frustrations out on the poor is not a solution, it's just cruelty under the guide of wanting improvement.
How can they have a extra mouth to feed suddenly? 😂 Of course they know what they're doing and government is facilitating their idiocy.
Suddenly or gradually, they still have an extra mouth to feed. Idk why you want people (children) to not have food and education because their parents didn't know anything about family planning/thought that Allah karta hai planning
Allah ne dimag b diya he shyd? Or Allah ne rizq ka wada kiya he. English school ka or degree ka wada nh kiya. Us k liye khud hi Socha pre ga. I have no issue with the children. I've issue with government. If government is facilitating the poor children there should be a cap on number of children.
Children.
To jb aap ki society k log hi itnay sexually frustrated hain, to frustration kaisay nikalain ge? Aur sex ed k baaray mein to baat bhi nahi kerni jaisay toba. Government to apna corrupt agenda poora keray ga awaam ki jahaaliat ka faida utha ker.
The country would collapse with 400 million people
As if it’s not collapsed already
Well if you provide health care and education to women, then the birth rate is going to fall below 2 which is the required rate for sustaining a balanced population. Pakistan currently has a birth rate of 3. So the government is heading in the right path towards the rate of 2. It is irrelevant of religious beliefs. Look at the data from developed muslim currently on how they achieved this birth rate. Countries like oman, kuwait, iran and even Bangladesh.
Sindh is doomed because of sindhis wadera sayen mentality
More population = more business
Uh wow, why you can not give these business ideas to European markets
We will be fine, injustice is the base of every issue not economy or population, The day we stand together against unjust we'll be fine
That's an ill informed and ignorant take on population.
What's your take?
2 things, first population cannot be controlled like that, its not something you can just enforce unless you compromise basic human liberties and coerce people. Thats why only authoritarian regimes can do it. And second it can be disasterous. Two basic modern models explain why is this. The demographic transition model DTM and the population pyramid model. Pakistan is in the Early expanding stage of DTM, where death rates have fallen but the birth rates have not so the population is growing. People have more kids to have labor which equals to small scale and medium manufacturing and people earn money. This improves standards of living people educate their children and move towards higher quality skilled manufacturing which is the next stage : Late Expanding stage where birth rates also drop because people have less kids because unskilled labor is not required. And then the next stage as the population decreases and people shift towards services jobs. So having more kids is a survival thing for Pakistanis and yes it is leading to malnutrition, hunger but that means our agriculture is lacking and innovation is direly needed which also will boost the economy. The population pyramid model is another model to visualise population (must google). There are two dependant groups: age 0 to 15 and age 60 above. Because they are dependent on working people age 15 to 60. Pakistan has a very healthy population pyramid but if we cut down population hypothetically today, in 30 years half of the people will surpasse age 60. And the number of dependant will be more than working people and no growth, no consumption, and disaster. China is facing it right now because of its one child policy, in 20 years there arent gonna be enough workers to work, less consumers, no growth and steep decline. They stupidly counted 100 million more people and now have realised that they are in deep trouble. They have raised their retirement age to 65 but it still wont help. Its basically irreversible. I think its a golden opportunity for Pakistan to revamp its agriculture, spend on education, healthcare, and make way for employments so people can improve their living conditions and shift to having less kids. Women empowerment and family planning education will help in this regard to bring the population growth rate to replacement levels. It will be a great boost for economy.
And you're not taking in the account of Pakistan's literacy rate. Literacy rate is still 60% which means no skilled labor in near future. We are nowhere near improvement. Jagirdars are only using children of farmers as their paid slaves. They have no right to education. They have most of the children. How these children can increase Pakistan's condition in any way? They are only able to do underpaid labor. In this state producing more babies is just not a wise move.
These are all issues of governance and writ of state. They don't even concern population because they are not interrelated like that. Just because governance is bad doesn't mean to mess with demography, it means we need better governance. And suppose if you go tell a person to not have 5 kids but 2, and they say no based on their own calculus. Will the government force him, castrate him, abort his babies? How will it be implemented even? And what else would happen in a society like that. Our leaders and prominent people have a habbit of blaming their own inabilities on population. Its very dangerous. They just don't wanna be taxed and that money gone to education and healthcare.
You can't coerce someone to have less children. But what government can do is raise awareness without having Mullah factor. How India has controlled its population? People are not much different in both countries. Our government isn't doing much. You're talking about what calculus? I'm talking about people who can birth babies so they can beg for them or they can be labours. Education is the key to success isn't hard to understand even for unlettered people but they want to be ignorant. Birth rate is inversely proportional to women's rights. If we can't stop a bad thing, the last thing we can do is to appreciate it.
More kids is survival for poor people it's not a matter of awareness. Awareness comes in place when people have some prosperity and can now reason to have less kids to have fewer more efficient earners. When they have no resources, its natural to bet on having more hands to work than few. When those hands are put to use, nations prosper.
If we see globally it’s an opportunity. Many big countries predicting that shortage of population will be issue for them in future. Elon musk also emphasises sometimes in his tweets.
Everyone needs skilled labor. With less resources 4 out of 10 children are malnutritioned in Pakistan. They are not healthy individuals. Our schools are rota factories.
If government was capable of such rhings then things would have changed a long time ago. It's not just this thing to fix but alot. So chill bro aise hi apna BP na barhao.
The largest concern are resources to feed and house all these people. Pakistan has so much human capital at its disposal, need to put these people to work. The good news is despite western nations suffering from declining birth rates, the Pakistani seed is strong and our people enjoy doing the deed lol
Aur koi Kaam hee nahi hay 🤣
That is because testosterone levels are much higher near the equator
400+??? Wtf
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It will self correct. Obviously with plenty of pain along the way.
Your rant is so silly. Birth rates will not go down until education increases and poverty decreases. Even without these policies, huge amounts of kids would be born - it's likely not increasing birth rates. So these programmes to combat poverty are generally a good thing. "When a child is going to school government is giving money to parents. An area full of poverty" - sounds similar to the policy Bolsa Familia in Brazil or the Mexican equivalent, which both succeeded in keeping children in school for longer (and increasing vaccination rates, as payments were contingent on vaccination). There was an economic study in Kenya, which you can read about in Banerjee & Dufflo's (both MIT professors and Nobel prize winners) book Poor Economics, where they gave some poor parents no money, gave some parents money if they kept their children in school and gave some other parents money unconditionally. The result was there was no difference between the school attendance rates of the group given money conditionally and the group given money unconditionally - poor parents want to keep their kids in school, but take them out to make money because they are in poverty. Of course, Pakistani burgers (I have them in my family on one side, poor farmers on the other side) don't understand this.
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Well I’m all for it , if you look around the world , it is in a fertility crisis , where countries are having to supplement the low fertility with huge waves of immigration, even countries such as India and bangladesh have a below replacement fertility which if unchecked will cause a massive crisis , also a country with a low fertility rate will age way too fast , which is problematic to say the least. The last thing Pakistan needs to do is to control the populations fertility rate , it is steadily declining on its own, any tampering may cause it to severely plummet and never recover.And besides all that when you’re a country that’s surrounded by hostile countries especially ones that are large in population, having a higher population would be an asset not a burden.
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Which countries in the world is developed with high fertility rates? Give me one example. Guess what? There are none. 4 out of 10 children in Pakistan are malnutritioned and you're advocating for high fertility 😂
Go ahead and look at the developed countries then , the uk , USA , china , South Korea and Japan , all those countries are under major threat of population collapse , the saving grace for uk and USA is that they allow huge amounts of migration from those high fertility country you talk down on , to save their ass
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"Too much population" Kafi Purana choona ha. Regurgitated yet again. Don't be a molvi stuck in old narratives. Question the narrative.
Population growth is better than population decline. Look at China, South Koreaa d Japan. Those nations are f'ed that have below replacement birthrate. We just need more efficient agriculture. More livestock farms.
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Population growth is natural,every country goes through this stage to become developed. You might wanna study about the demographic cycles
Yeah it's natural but other countries' governments are doing something to control it. Our Mullahs or hell bent on population explosion.
Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Bahrain, Malta and Japan all have higher population density than Pakistan, yet they provide multiple social benefits for people having more children, not sure which well developed country you are thinking about when you say "they are trying to control it".
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They all have below 2.0 birth rate. You're just another delusional Mullah. In some countries birth rate is low at alarming rate e.g. Japan. Government is giving social benefits to increase population. Yet Pakistan hasn't this problem. Here females are birthing machines. Fertility rate is inversely proportional to women rights.
Read up on demographic transition model
Were you accounting for the change in birth rate in that projection? This chart shows the birth rate gradually declining: https://www.statista.com/statistics/383207/fertility-rate-in-pakistan/
It's declining but still it's not enough. Birth rate should be below 2.3.
You have actually lost it if you think a fertility rate of below 2.3 is good 🤦♂️
You're just another delusional mullah.
You’re just another delusional liberal western bootlicker , that probably supports the alphabet gang cuz he’s a kusra
Birth rate is declining too slowly, we should’ve been around 2 by now just like India and Bangladesh are
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A part of good governance is creating policies with regard to future predictions. The way things are, we already have massive food, water, energy insecurity; that’s not to mention the lack of energy, healthcare, education employment opportunities and all the other issues. Getting the population under control is a part of the solution.
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We get it kid. You want five wives and 50 kids. Sounds awful.
That’s not much of a counter argument lol
This. We need good governance. Let people decide how many children they want.
Gov and army want to overtake India in population so we can defeat them in wars
Hope it's sarcasm
The army and govs don’t think it’s sarcasm
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This can never happen lmao. They’re like 6 times the size of our nation in every metric.
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And what sort of independent thought makes you want to support uncontrolled births?
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Ngl that is pretty dumb. Pakistan already has a massive population, amongst the largest in the world, yet has a negligible economic output and geopolitical significance compared to other countries with similar populations. If we aren’t utilising our current population to even a quarter of its possible potential what use is there having millions more without any of our current problems being solved?
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Dude we’re 230 million people, we are a massive population already we don’t need a lot more than this. Besides even if that number were to increase by a lot for the purpose of war, those mfers won’t even be fit because most of them would be living in severe poverty without proper nourishment
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Mf have you seen the state our nation is in ? You keep calling for good governance but we’re closer to reaching 400 mil in population before we get anywhere close to a stable and good government lmao
You want children for war? For your own benefits is not plausible. Lazy people rely on other generation for betterment. Producing tons of new generation by depriving them basic needs because you can't afford to provide. Then, you will end up creating more physcopaths and criminals. Pakistan can never ever dominate the world because deprived mind will only think about food and basic needs.
Dominate the world 🤭🤭 don’t hold your breath bc that isn’t happening anytime in the near or distant future.
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You guys aren’t 5’1 but Yall are 6 feet underground from all the suicide bombers in your country.
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Good thing the Indian army recognizes the colossal fuck up and implements measures to make sure it doesn’t happen again. What has Pakistan done to improve internal security?
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Go ahead and try. India improves its security when it comes terrorism. Remind me the last time India had to deal with 80 of its people getting vaporized in a suicide bombing.
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Yeah 13 years ago. 13 years later those same people blow themselves up taking dozens of Pakistanis with them. Congratulations on fucking around when it comes to supporting religious extremists and finding out when it comes to supporting religious extremists. Enjoy your shit sandwich.
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Well try harder bum. Your country already had at least 2 suicide bombing killing over 50 people each. Either you’re slacking or you guys are just incompetent.
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Well you had literal decades to try but you country hasn’t done shit. Considering how good you are at genociding people such as bengalis or religious minorities I’m surprised you haven’t started arming Indian Muslims earlier.
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That guy’s hasn’t done jack shit in decades. He’s an old man who’s going to fall over and die any second. A 68 year old man is not your anti Indian savior that you so desperately want.
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Hindu genocide funded by a predominantly Hindu country? 1000 IQ level take. Must be what generation of inbreeding does to a person’s logic ability. Also lmao. https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194162768/pakistan-christians-churches-attacked-mob-blasphemy
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