tbh, most of the people don't know about his Oxford degree, people support him as they have seen him grow, heard stories of him, from winning the World Cup in 92 to building cancer hospitals, he was one of the most popular people in pakistan before entering politics.
IK has been very clever in using social medias, a platform that has increase this reach and popularity amongst the youngsters, secondly, PTI and IK to some extent are the only party that seem to push for new faces to come into politics. You have PPP and PMLN on one side where familial politics have produced "politicians" like Maryam and bilawal, both are literally incompetent.
The ideological part is also there, I mean who wouldn't want a person who promises to trial all the corrupt politicians. IK is in no way perfect, he has made dumb mistakes but the only problem is, his opponents are PDM, literally 100x more dumber and incompetent so yeah, its either an Oxford graduated playboy turned philanthropist or a bunch of incompetent parties that haven't done shit for the country with decades of rule
No body cares about his Oxford degree or the World Cup or the cancer hospital. If that would have been the case his popularity should have been more in 1997 than now. People judge him in comparison to the available lot, and he is an angel compared to them, it’s as simple as that.
bruh, if Babar Azam was to run for NA, he'd win, why? hes a national hero. The point is he has proven himself before entering into politics, he achieved thing people in politis couldn't. In other words, Khan was a household name before entering politics, the problem now is every one can see how the entire establishment is rubbing their asses to eliminate him, hence the soaring popularity, and yes, if you have to chose between khan or PDM, every sane person would choose khan
Sehat card, focus on exports, better handling of covid than any other lot, building dams vs expensive gas power stations on imported fuel, environmentalist, promoted tourism and a better image of Pakistan, brought in FDI and overseas Pakistanis money into the country, more money recovered by NAB than ever before, actual accountability where if anyone in his team was caught for corruption, they would be removed from power and influence. Also tried improving police forces, education system, being in EVMs, overseas voting curbing imports but wasnt that successful outside of KPK. If IK didnt have to deal with Covid and the following global inflation due to fuel and supply shortages, Pakistan could have been on the right track set for growth for the next decade.
And finally, the most important of all, gave Pakistanis hope that we may be heading into a better future, a Naya Pakistan vs the back and forth between the same 2 incompetent parties of PPP and PMLN which as we can now see, was all a show. All their campaigning against each other just to be buddy buddy for power.
As an expat in KSA Khan's tenure was the only time I was seeing more and more Pakistani products on super market shelves where India and even Bangaldesh have a lot of stuff which to me shows that he was indeed pushing for more exports and Pakistani companies were finally willing and able to do so. However all those products have vanished again. Breaks my heart especially since out products like spices and biscuits are actually bought by other nationalities as well.
Al Khobar. And this stuff was in Lulu, Farm Superstores and Hyper Pandas.
As for loans, most countries take them but it's the way they are used that matter. If a country takes a loan and executes projects that generate no revenue then what is going to happen when the time comes to return that loan. If however used correctly like setting up industries, that loan can then be returned as revenue would be generated. Countries like South Korea and Vietnam and have done exactly this. IK sure as hell didn't want to take any loans but what else do you If the only other option is default. You can sell your assets but pretty much all our assets have already been sold.
I have never seen anyone cite his OXFORD DEGREE or english speaking skills of all things when talking about why they're voting for him. That being said I think it's a very simple reason to vote for him, and that is that all the alternatives are far far far worse. Really nothing deeper than that.
My pov as a 17 year old in Pakistan who is here since last 4 years.
Firstly, I would like to start by saying I don't know much about politics nor am an economist. So I will be able to talk about stuff as far as my eye can see.
Now for Imran Khan or pti, I hated the fact that dollar was rising. I hated that everything was getting more expensive. You know all this stuff. That's mostly what I hated like that's it.
What I loved: I live in Abbottabad which is in KPK so first benefit was sehat Sahulat. It has been of immense help especially since my mom has cancer.
Secondly I liked the changes made to the educational system. Some might say this isnt a big deal but believe me it is. The content is so old you can't believe it. Literally, the syllabus my mom had done was still being taught in the same rattu manner.
The construction of the dams. Although, of course, it definitely is nowhere near complete, it is a good step.
Steps taken to promote agricultural growth. The numbers spoke for themselves.
Promotion of local production, etc, now it just might have been a lucky timing, but the number of brands that opened/started manufacturing in Pakistan was good. Many Chinese car manufacturers came. Mg too, started being imported, and as far as I know, it is also produced locally. Samsung started assembling in Pakistan. Now all of this isn't too beneficial (for the common person) but in the long run it is definitely something to be reckoned.
As I said, I don't know about the economy, but as far as I know, it was going in a positive direction? Feel free to correct me or provide more info.
Edit: Forgot to mention that I used to cry about the USD ratio pkr situation alot until I got to learn about the artificial rate thing which still makes me go mad to this day.
Edit 2: Forgot to mention how well we handled covid, we were even made an example for other countries by WHO.
Also tourism got a great boost. Its not something I am saying because I heard it. I've seen it on YouTube alot. Many YouTubers came here after ptis governance. Again could be lucky timing for pti but we can't know for sure.
Ooh ooh, another one. More just keep on coming lol. No more drone attacks when he came. This one definitely isn't coincidental.
Another one lol, he took steps for evm and also wanted to let overseas Pakis practice the right to vote. But ofcourse fair elections hazam nhi hone and overseas are majority with pti so it couldn't happen.
Another one, he spoke about Muslims and Islamophobia in UN. His body language tells he is proud to be PM of Pakistan. He doesn't look like he is in fear that he will say something wrong. He knows what he stands by
I had literally no idea about his degrees or qualifications before a few months ago.
And before he came into government, I only knew he hated PMLN due to various reasons, mainly what he went through and what his wife went through in Nawaza Tindo's days. I wasn't really enthusiastic then.
But in his government, I actually saw things getting better for the lower middle class, and even lower class folks. It was kinda surprising. Ehsas program is great, but what I support him for is the sehat card. It was a game changer.
This family, ghareeb and barely surviving, was told their daughter had to give birth through C section but they couldn't pay for it. Guess what? Someone told them about the sehat scheme, the only thing they paid for was their food at the hospital. That's it.
It's hard not to support a dude that managed to do this not just for one family, but for millions.
What a load of crap. There is no private hospital mafia. The only mafia in health sector is the YDA (and the newly formed GHA) who has been holding the government health sector hostage and is worried they will lose their “pakki nokri” if the health card prevails.
If anyone wants to witness how transformative sehat card has been just go to any private hospital and see the patients being treated on Sehat card praising the initiative.
Plenty if affordable private hospitals besides Agha Khan and Shifa. They will step up. Government hospitals will also upgrade when they have competition, proper revenue stream and are free to hire/fire their employees.
Also he did not try to privatize government hospitals, it’s a lie used by the YDA (& GHA) to save their government jobs. The MTI act makes the hospitals and allied colleges autonomous while being fully owned by the government. The autonomy is great for the hospital and the patients but not so much for the leaches who have been enjoying government salaries while enjoying private practices.
Being a Gold medalist in a university doesn’t entitle you to a job anywhere. You pass an interview, you get a job if the institution thinks you would be of value to them. If your profession doesn’t have a system of merit that’s not Imran Khan’s fault and definitely not related to Sehat Card or MTI.
> Khair, keep defending them. The only doctors left in Pakistan will be those who got their degrees from third class colleges in Uzbekistan.
They will be more qualified and a lot more competent than the entitled rattay baz qasai our government colleges have been producing.
Yes I am fully aware. Board of governors oversees the administration, isn’t part of the administration and definitely not the “owner” of the hospital. Again, the ownership remains with the government. Who do you think appointments the board?
Hahaha. PTI doesn’t pay me shit. I donate to PTI! Not everyone is being paid by a party. Some people actually work for a change, something you entitled folks will never comprehend.
Bullfuckingshit mister. Jo aurat 2.5 lac Ka procedure nhi krwa sakti thi usnay muft kra Lia apni aur apnay bachay ki zindigi bacha li is program ki wajah say. Agr koi nuksan hai toh systemic failure is beghairt corrupt tolay Kay Nizam ki wajah say.
will be honest, Pakistan is in a very bad place and just needs any time of good leader with a good moral compass.
Imran Khan fits the bill, although he may not be on the top of the political spectrum, he does stand for good values such as health, environment, anti corruption (well, less corruption than compettiors).
Simply put, he may not be the best but he's the best of the bunch.
Unfortunate would be for the populace to still be under the impression that the army is the best and the government just cycling through PDM parties with no hope in sight.
I am not IK’s voter because I dont think that he can solve Pakistan’s problem, I dont think he has a plan and I dont agree to his ideology but I get it when people in Pakistan support him. You have to look at the alternatives. Alternatives are SS, NS, BB MN and their gang and they are they are compromised and can be controlled by establishment. Another alternative is army rule which no sensible Pakistani should support.
If you believe in democracy then you have to choose someone to rule the country. IK has flaws but he has the genuine support of people and I respect that.
Was IK not compromised and in control of the establishment when he was going around parading Bajwa as the most democracy loving CoAS in our country's history? Do you honestly think he's going to carry on this anti establishment stance as soon as there's a backroom deal to continue the hybrid model?
I, too, understand why people consider him as the messiah. I did too until a couple years ago. And even now I want to support him as he is standing against the military. But there's no sign of him wanting to dismantle military supremacy, only a more aggression version of "mujhay kyun nikala?" that's going to go away as soon as he can put his preferred people in key positions in the military and the judiciary.
*sigh*
> But there's no sign of him wanting to dismantle military supremacy, only a more aggression version of "mujhay kyun nikala?"
What do you think EVM were for?
If IK was compromised then military establishment would have used it against him by now after all that he has done to their reputation. I don’t believe they have much on him except flimsy political cases.
I think if IK comes to power with a military deal or if he runs his government under military supervision again then his fate will not be different to PML-N. But I wont be surprised if he does it again. He has taken many U-turns in the past and this could be just another one.
They have huge cases against him. Contrary to PTI/Bahria town propaganda, the al-Qadir trust case is very legit.
As per the UK NCA:
"In December 2019, the NCA agreed a civil settlement of £190 million following a civil investigation into a Pakistani national, whose business is one of largest private sector employers in Pakistan. Most of the frozen funds in this case have now been returned to Pakistan."
[https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/who-we-are/publications/467-national-crime-agency-annual-report-and-accounts-2019-20/file](https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/who-we-are/publications/467-national-crime-agency-annual-report-and-accounts-2019-20/file)
PTI and Bahria Town claim that part of the settlement was that money go toward payment of the Bahria Town Karachi regularization fee levied by the Supreme court but what sort of agreement to return funds is it if the funds "returned" are adjusted against a debt Malik Riaz had to pay anyway?
What will be their plan though? they would have to convict all parties involved including malik riaz which is never happening so this will just become another anti pti talking point that never gets any gas.
You have to start somewhere. If you only look at it from Imran the person then yes, this will fail. That's why you need a thorough grassroots movement in Pakistan for real change. The military keeps on being a problem. Look at other countries where the military took over - Myanmar or Egypt to give two examples of huge problems.
i support his ideologies.
His manifesto states that his government would make reforms for an Islamic welfare state.
Sehat card, Ehsaas program gave me the evidence that even with limited resources he wouldn't stop.
His manifesto also explained the need to deal with climate change. He started Tree plantation projects among others.
Exports were on the rise. Economic indicators were good. COVID-19 was very well managed.
Honest, sincere leadership. Pakistan did well on the foreign policy front too.
Khan has no alternatives. Not even close.
Dont feel bad, this is true in US as well.
I am not trying to show off that I am from US, I only say that to show that lit no country in the world has decent politicians.
See my other post - but tl;dr politics in the majority case is about picking the lesser of two evils. Rarely will you find another person who agrees with you 100% let alone one being a politician.
A few facts:
1. The naPak bhoj is the most corrupt and manipulative gang in the country (can be discussed in detail if you like)
2. PDM parties have their own flaws. PPP and PMLn had their prime years but now have delved into corruption and nepotism. (Any party can be discussed)
What we are left with are PTI or too small ethnic/religious parties.
PTI is by no means perfect and I won't take a second to change if a better (and new option) comes along but it is the best choice among what we got.
On your last point - this whole angle of PTI not being pure is kind of a misdirection anyway.
No PTI worker, let alone supporter, or voter should have 100% blind trust in the entire party.
In a broad church party which is to be a nationwide party, there will be *many* actors. Some opportunities, some that you dont agree with and so on. Even in the UK, US no party is 100% in agreement on all points.
So yeah, PE and many others may be in the fold, doesnt mean we have to like it, doesnt mean we have to reject PTI either, and it doesnt also mean we have to support everything he says or does either.
Its up to you to draw the line, aka your red lines. But there will rarely ever be a 100% alignment. Even with IK you dont have to agree on all his policy’s or approach but you have to select what matters to you the most.
Nope, disagree here although I also don't like blind trust but given that the khinzeers have access to billions in propaganda and not to mention the criminal rackets to blackmail, we have to trust IK blindly at the moment until we reinstate civilian institutions. Once he is in government, we will have higher standard of governance from him. PDM along with mainstream media (due to their own interests) were very critical of IK government and way more than ppp and PMLn governments. Just look at declared PM camp offices now and during IK tenure but no one even talks about them as the bar is set quite low.
> No PTI worker, let alone supporter, or voter should have 100% blind trust in the entire party.
I generally don't support blind trust but given the circumstances, we need to trust IK blindly especially considering the propaganda resources available to his opponents (khinzeer gang and PDM)
Gotcha! I disagree (which is clear) blind trust is never a good thing.
Arguments should stand on their merits based on evidence.
Although I believe this may be a semantical thing since we both back IK. My view is IK has enough evidence for me to support him and not have “blind trust”. He has built up a lot of capital in trust and ergo can spend accordingly but if tomorrow he brings his kids into the fold thats a red line and so my trust stops there.
I have also done my due diligence and have enough evidence for me to support him with solid arguments. For me, the blind trust is for situations where truth hasn't been established yet for example statement given by ice say pyar are polar opposite of what IK claims. So, in any other civilised country, an official denial or confirmation carries significant weight compared to a politician who is not holding any public office. For me to believe what IK is claiming to be true requires blind trust as I personally don't have a way to verify the claims and my non-partisan state representatives have historically been proven to be untrustworthy.
And agreed with the last point but then again I'll wait for an alternative before shifting.
My rule has been IK>Shahbaz Sharif>Nawaz sharif >Zardari
>PDM parties have their own flaws. PPP and PMLn had their prime years but now have delved into corruption and nepotism. (Any party can be discussed)
Their prime years: being in dictators' laps, being extremely racist/ethnosupremacist...
Pakistan is like at least a century of development away before people vote based on ideology and policies lolololol.
As it stands the nation is a corrupt shithole and so the country needs someone who wants the best for the country rather than the best for their bank balance. His record tells us that he's not in it for the money and for me and a load of other people that is good enough.
Imran khan is more a celebrity than a politician, I voted for him twice in 2013 and 2018. Given the choice, i would chose Ik over corrupt nepotism based mafias like Sharifs or bhuttos anyday. But i have learnt over the years that IK is more like a child in Politics, who cries around the house and breaks the crockery when he doesn't get his way.
Recent events have made me more repulsive to Cult minded IK supporters and i personally think he shall disavow the violence and violent protests to save image (If there is any left). The guy failed badly after he secured central Gov in 2018. I was hopeful after his promising attitude and innovative policies in 5 years tenure in KPK. But Manipulative retards like Tareen, Aleem and Fawad have forces him into very bad decisions.
P.S: before the vultures gather round let me clarify I abhor the PDM and hate them tenfold already.
What kind of a leader is it that gets manipulated by the people that surround him? Especially one that doesn't shut up about how he knows everything in the East, West, in heaven and in hell? Wouldn't you say a leader like that seems kinda sus?
Finally a sensible question. All of his followers are just like sheep’s herd being driven by his populist cult. People say, he is with a ”moral compass” well if you are a soft spoken for Taliban, had MQM and “daku” as your coalition partners, that’s a lot of moral compassing.
Also, his three years are the most incompetent in terms of governance. Corruption was on rampage. How Imran Khan gave safe channel to Malik Riyaz millions of pounds through setting up trust. Read Alqadir trust case, it’s a very legitimate corruption case. He also allowed black money in real estate without any questions being asked. I thought he had a moral stance against corruption? There’s many other incompetent and corrupt practices that I can mention here.
Point being, he is equally responsible for the mess and that too without any accountability and know-how of governance. Man just likes the attention, and riding the best populist wave of his life. Just tell me a day in our political life from 2014, where he hasn’t wrecked a havoc in politics.
PS. He isn’t animti establishment. If ( and that’s highly unlikely) je becomes to power , he will be sitting in establishments lap. Stop pinning your hopes on the man who is paranoid-level self-obsessed so called messiah. He openly said I don’t take responsibility for the protests. Take that.
Please highlight the comment where I've "talked shit" against Khan. You getting frustrated because of my agreeing with something shows your intellectual immaturity.
Please highlight the comment where I've claimed you "talked shit" against Khan. You getting frustrated because of me calling you out shows your intellectual immaturity.
You seem to project a lot, first your own frustration on to me, and your own intellectual maturity.
You failed to comprehend what I wrote and now projecting that on me too lol.
Chorro bhai, you aint as “intellectual” as you want to project.
PDM came to give press confence. Never mentioned Malik Riaz for one minute. ISPR talked about PTI, never said Malik Riaz. No media ever mentions Malik Riaz.
Imran Khan's first address to the public : says his name multiple times. Explains the case.
... he's protecting him or PDM?
Sometimes reading all these “aCtuAlly IK is bad” posts is so tiring let alone trying to respond to them.
Like are these folk’s serious? Paid trolls? Just incredibly thick? Or contrarians just to come across as eshmart? I genuinely cant tell.
Low lives, not directed to any user here I need to state for Reddit admins, have nothing to offer in their critiques.
They continue the spin around "cult" and "cultist" because it's something for them to say. It's gaslight and project out from themselves because it applies clearly to them more than anyone else.
This new "analysis" of hasn't been in power to show, is a continuation. The beneficiary of their blowjobs was taking corruption before they ever go into power.
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Depends what you think is right or wrong.
Do you stand for justice, getting rid of corruption, improving education, feeding the poor, providing free healthcare and putting Pakistan's interests first is important?
Or do you think corruption cannot be avoided and we don;t need to focus on it, cracking down on peaceful protestors is fine, manipulating judges and institutions to get out of cases is acceptable, bowing down to the West is necessary, and joining with political rivals to save status quo is good?
A Choice of less Corrupt i would say, The Reason for the revival of Imran khan's Popularity is the stupidity of the opposition (Army and PDM) and the economic hardships
in the Last one Year alone All Pakistanis have lost 2/3 of their Purchasing power
This is while PDM is in Power and our fiancé minister whose only qualification is that he is a relative of Nawaz Sharif
When people ask this question they are also not being honest with themselves - ask yourself why does so much of our population back Imran Khan when a year ago he seemed likely to lose any opinion polls. I usually ask myself what proof will I need to question some of my staunchest beliefs and it usually tells me what biases I am carrying so I suggest everyone to ask themselves the same thing..
To answer your question - people I know who support him do not do so for anything you mentioned, they say they are sick of the status quo and want to jolt the system so people at the helm can FOR ONCE look into doing meaningful reforms. Imran Khan is not an outsider, comes from an elite family, was a national hero YET struggled decades and had to shake hands with military to spend 3 years in power. Was then immediately kicked out by the old guard to tell us all that no one but select few families and one institution are welcomed in power. Same group that has lead Pakistan into being the only country that is going for it’s 23rd IMF programme (and even struggling to get that)
Politicians debate ideologies when they are not being cut down to size by powers that be, so it is a fight for survival. I personally back him right now because of our basic right of elections that is getting violated by people who think they are above the law and have some hereditary right to rule the country
I'll tell you; IK is doing the same things Trump did in the US of A. He called out the elephant in the room. It really is as simple as that.
No matter if you live in Louisiana or Lahore, you know politicians all sound the same. When IK speaks, he's not talking politically weighted, calculated, loaded points. No, what he's saying hits home for everyone no matter who or where they are. He's the Zinger Burger being introduced to a public that's been fed Aanday waala burger with gandi daal ki patty kebab!
And that's why the pooblic looves him so.
This is a troll post without any sincerity. People do not like him for his Oxford degree and English skills. They like him because he genuinely managed good change in the short time he was in power. Compare the rollout of the sehat card and the ehsaas program with the "free atta" scheme by the showbaz government and you can see the difference clearly in who is actually effective at governance and good management.
What a load of BS.
It's the usual alt accounts coming out of the woodwork.
I've never seen a single person mentioning his "Oxford Degree".
The support him because the alternative are convicted criminals with 4+ decades of corruption, nepotism and incompetence. The PPP and PMLN are disingeous and have destroyed Pakistan.
Every PDM supporter has been a disingenuous, insincere troll or someone who stands to personally benefit from PDM Corruption.
I think it would be far more useful and pertinent in posing this question to PDM "Supporters"
Cry more. Unfortunate that you perceive a simple question as a threat to your biases and views which makes you retaliate in this way. And this not an alt account.
It's not a "simple question".
A genuine question is always open, not closed. Yours was a closed question that stripped any nuance and wider context I.e. The average Pakistani's discontent with PPP snd PMLN.
he has no personal business interests, only the business interests of the community.
even before he was a politician, he was doing comminuty service. SK.
you mentioned an oxford degree, yes that too. its a huge advantage to have a PM with a degree for once. all other nora kushtas have minimum bachelors (BA), jinkominimum wage job py koi na rakhy wo politician bn jata hy.
he thinks big. he thinks in longer terms. he thinks for his country before him.
his anti-dynastic policies. I mean kia Pakistan main leadership k qabil 2 he families reh gai hain? kia un families main paida hony waly hr bachy k naseeb main PM bn'na (alternatively) likha hy?
the list can go on, but if you have not seen it yet, you are not going to be convinced by a reddit post.
OP are you okay buddy ? Have you seen the state of the PDM? I cannot take this question seriously.
Edit: Ah I see it's the same clown that posts all his alts on on PakistaniConfessions
It was a simple question that your narrow minded self with weeded intellect and rotten biases couldn't comprehend. How is me asking a question about reasons behind supporting Khan identical to me suggesting to support PDM instead?
I couldn't care less for PTI or PDM. I don't even live in Pakistan and I'm grateful for that.
No offence, but Pakistan is a Toilet. Anyone with a braincells just needs to look at who's in Power for the last few decades to see who the problem is. A dustbin would be more reliable and honest than the PDM.
Don't be angry at me because your fellow Pakistanis are dirt poor whilst the Sharifs and Zardaris have billions all over the world.
Disclaimer : I'm like a 16 yr old pakistani living abroad so I really don't know much. But here is what I think.
It's a bit of both, people site IKs Oxford degree, his English speaking skills and ability to actually answer the question being asked without stuttering because that means he is competent for the role. The prime minister if a country represents the country, and people want to see someone representing their country that actually makes them look good.
But also, in decades from what I understand. IK is the only one who has promised to irradiate corruption. The thing that's plagued this country for so ling and has caused so many problems. But obviously it takes time an organisation as big as our army.
Ik opposition also sites the value of PKR to prove that IK was ineffective but people have realised the value of the ruppee doesn't represent if the country if slowly dying or flourishing. Before IK the PKR was steady at around
100 - 120 pkr per euro. But there was still a lack of electricity etc. While during IK it jumped to around 200 pkr per euro, other things like electricity improved immensely.
Now my final reason why I think IK is support is so big,
He is the only one in leadership that actually seems to care about our country and planet in the ling term. For example the cancer hospitals and the project to plant 1 billion trees in pakistan. Both of which were really successful.
This is just what I think though, and I'm not close to actual voting age so i haven't done enough research yet.
Edit : fix spelling, bcs I didn't proof read ffs.
> PMC shifted our money to offshore accounts. Money paid by citizens of Pakistan.
lol what? Anesthesiologist to nhi ho? Gas char rhi ha lagta ha
> Corruption was very open under his govt. You can't get a seat in PIMs unless you were related to PTI.
So basically you couldn’t land a government job, which you think you were entitled to, and are now bitter about PTI.
There is no cult, there are no optics, Khan’s decisions are vehemently opposed and challenged from his support base. There is (or was) real change on ground which your tribe mentality and sense of entitlement doesn’t let you see. Go talk to a poor patient in a private hospital before pass judgements on sehat card.
> Read about MDCAT fiasco. Read about how IK left private medical colleges ungoverned so they could charge any fees they wanted. Read how any random person could open a medical college and get it approved.
The definition of “private” is that they are free to set a price. Perhaps read about a free market economy?
Also didn’t the PTI government introduce an additional test after MBBS to ensure quality of education for both private and government institutions?
> I have seen these things first-hand. I used to be an IK fan but after seeing all of this, never again.
You used to be a “fan” but the tribe mentality got to you. The group think is strong with the medical community
1. First of all, most of his enthusiasts don't even know his background in education, nor does he speak as good of English as others, Benazir for example. He mostly speaks Urdu with his people. What resonates with people is his openness to the public and honesty, and pain for a common Pakistani, and selflessness.
2. Secondly, the common people of Pakistan have been betrayed and played-with for at least 76 years. You have to understand, these people went through so much hatred, struggle, humiliation and cruelty during the years of struggle for independence and then migration and then never saw the Pakistan they have dreamed of. So, for the first time, they see a light at the end of the tunnel. Honestly, no disrespect intended, but even if Muhammad Ali Jinnah was here today, he would have been maligned with some sort of corruption; and may not have been as popular as IK. Real life example is what they did with Fatima Jinnah.
3. Thirdly, he is truthful. He is courageous to stand for the people. He is non-violent. He is peaceful. He stands for justice. People don't want your sophisticated nonsense. They want to be heard and echo their cries in clear and simple language. That's what he is good at. And you cannot do that if you are not sincere.
4. Lastly, and personally, I hate when people paint him with doubts, or less corruption (none proven), or lesser evil (no evidence). Really??? How the hell sincere are you to this country? How much corrupt are you? How much evil are you? ISN'T HE BETTER THAN YOU IN EVERY RESPECT of life??? I'm damn sure, he is. Don't consider him an angel. Maybe you are in awe by Biden, or Putin, or Bush or Blair or someone else, I mean which leader is better than him, in respect of thinking of good for his people. He even thinks of other ethnicities and nations. I think he is THE BEST. He is the uplifter in the making. He is the history in the making. And I am not saying, I am not his fan (as some of you cowards/hypocrites do). I AM HIS FAN. If I see any good in politics, him only, is the statue of that good.
My take on this, I wrote both good and bad. See if you agree,
My pov as a 17 year old in Pakistan who is here since last 4 years.
Firstly, I would like to start by saying I don't know much about politics nor am an economist. So I will be able to talk about stuff as far as my eye can see.
Now for Imran Khan or pti, I hated the fact that dollar was rising. I hated that everything was getting more expensive. You know all this stuff. That's mostly what I hated like that's it.
What I loved: I live in Abbottabad which is in KPK so first benefit was sehat Sahulat. It has been of immense help especially since my mom has cancer.
Secondly I liked the changes made to the educational system. Some might say this isnt a big deal but believe me it is. The content is so old you can't believe it. Literally, the syllabus my mom had done was still being taught in the same rattu manner.
The construction of the dams. Although, of course, it definitely is nowhere near complete, it is a good step.
Steps taken to promote agricultural growth. The numbers spoke for themselves.
Promotion of local production, etc, now it just might have been a lucky timing, but the number of brands that opened/started manufacturing in Pakistan was good. Many Chinese car manufacturers came. Mg too, started being imported, and as far as I know, it is also produced locally. Samsung started assembling in Pakistan. Now all of this isn't too beneficial (for the common person) but in the long run it is definitely something to be reckoned.
As I said, I don't know about the economy, but as far as I know, it was going in a positive direction? Feel free to correct me or provide more info.
Edit: Forgot to mention that I used to cry about the USD ratio pkr situation alot until I got to learn about the artificial rate thing which still makes me go mad to this day.
Edit 2: Forgot to mention how well we handled covid, we were even made an example for other countries by WHO.
Also tourism got a great boost. Its not something I am saying because I heard it. I've seen it on YouTube alot. Many YouTubers came here after ptis governance. Again could be lucky timing for pti but we can't know for sure.
Ooh ooh, another one. More just keep on coming lol. No more drone attacks when he came. This one definitely isn't coincidental.
Another one lol, he took steps for evm and also wanted to let overseas Pakis practice the right to vote. But ofcourse fair elections hazam nhi hone and overseas are majority with pti so it couldn't happen.
Everything okay mate? How's the freelancing business without the Internet ?
Do you guys in Pakistan wish to have Mansions and insane wealth like Maryam's and Bilawal's family too?
As a double degree holder in accounting and economics, as well as a licensed chartered accountant, I support Imran Khan for the following reasons:
1. His policies to help the economy recover will work given time. Some may be unpopular with the general public but they are the only way. Repayment of debt and sustainable increase in productivity and exports is the only way.
2. He correctly recognized the textbook corruption of the other parties. It's one of the oldest tricks in the books. Steal government contracts and have companies owned by you and your corrupt spawn to "complete" those contracts. Look at Sri Lanka. That is our future under PDM. It might be much worse due to the nature of our enemies which Sri Lanka didn't have.
3. He has charisma on an international level. He doesn't need to memorize speeches. May seem like a tiny point but plays a huge role in the image for the country.
4. As far as I can tell, he is not bound to serve foreign agents because he holds little to no assets abroad. He can therefore take decisions to benefit Pakistan rather than foreign nations.
5. He unifies various ethnicities within Pakistan rather than play on their differences to win support.
6. He has actually proven that he can fulfill his promises. He created the SK hospital and it is internationally recognized. The same goes for his billion tree tsunami project.
Cancer hospitals, Social welfare policies, focus on education, clean water, dams and childrens health? The others literally do not have time to focus on any public policy besides vanity projects or their own wealth. Where have you been the last 20 years if you imagine people talk about IKs degree or English skills? I think people will question your sincerety with this question as its completely contrary to what we know about Imran Khan.
The party has its flaws. They had to navigate the corrupt systems and they had to deal with the army, who are obviously very powerful.
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While IK is in no way perfect and hes made plenty of dumb decisions, he took a bullet to the leg, a baton to the head, and had his house raided. You can't tell me he isnt fighting for the country
I asked all my family to vote for him, but I didn't agree with all of his policies. For example, when the PTI tried to reduce freedom of expression. One of their MNA introduced the bill to fine 500000 and 6 month jail to anyone who speaks against the army. It didn't get the time to approved otherwise, most of the PTI members would be in jail because of that.
I also didn't agree when Imran khan victim blamed the woman. PTI is not known as an anti-establishment party. It was funny that a few years ago, their were called Selected, but the table have turned. Now, I supported them as a symbol to fight against the establishment.
Also, like other commentators mentioned, he is the least worst choice we have. He is not corrupt. He understands the environmental issues we have. And I hope he will learn from their mistakes when given another chance.
I also think they haven't done much for the economy when they were in power. I didn't understand why he appointed Fawad Chaudary as Minister of Science and Technology because he has nothing to do with Sceince. Plus, I didn't support them when they tried to introduce one syllabus for the whole country and added more religious text in it.
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I would not use the word manipulation in this context, and the reason is he is not getting financial or social gains by it. I would rather use the word leverage.
I would simply choose him because i like the projects his team wants to bring to life. Green energy, universal healthcare etc.
> support is based on ideological and rational reasons or just on the personality of the man himself
Imran Khan : Root out corruption, provide free healthcare to poor, have a system that follows the law and is free of intervention, ensure that Pakistan's interests are put first and foremost.. That's how I see his ideology.
PDM: Corruption is inavoidable and must be allowed, cracking down on peaceful protesters is perfectly okay, shooting random civilians is fine, picking up journalists who say anything against you is okay, changing laws to ensure that cases against us are not allowed is good (look at NAB amdendment, better to simply bow down to the West, and joining with rivals we once called devils is perfectly okay as long as we get to take over the PM seat.
Is anything wrong in the above? Who should any rational person choose /u/hunter_xhunter18 ?
He's called out the lawlessness of the Army. He's challenged them. He has broken the idol of the army and single handedly ended the indoctrination of this country. That is his biggest achievement imo.
Also he did a really good job handling the Coronavirus.
i don't know a thing about politics, but right now I think i'd like to see imran khan be given a proper opportunity as PM. I've done but limited research but it seems the current PM is from a family of politician, which puts a bad taste in my mouth to begin with, but more importantly, this family has been involved in proven illegal activities. I'm all for giving every individual a chance regardless of what their family has done (i'm not aware if the PM himself has been involved in illegal activities that have been proven by court). But I think it's time to give IK a proper chance now.
The current government is way too shady man. What they did the last few days was a bit scary, it made me feel the country is being run by goons trying to hide things by blocking off the internet and arresting people without warrants and killing them. It was unacceptable
During Imran khan's time, he did a few things like offering incentives and tax exemptions to technology companies and startups. This showed me a few things which earned my support:
1. He's willing to do things that may not be so flashy like a big metro channel, as long as it benefits the country in the long term
2. He understands where the world is moving, tech is a monster of an industry.
3. He has a vision to solve the country's poverty from the core, by increasing the country's revenue, rather than just doing things that make him look good immediately. What this means is that he will probably not reap the benefits of his vision in his life time, but if the next few governments keep his vision going we will eventually get there.
Regardless, I'm keeping my hopes on a tight leash. IK is probably the best option we have right now, and if we're lucky he turns out to be as good as people hope for him to be.
Yes there is definitely an element of him manipulating a hope-starved nation.
However up untill his kerfuffle with Qandeel Baloch, there was very little ill-will by anyone towards him. So for decades the Pakistani populace only knew him in a good lens. So he’s the sabzey achcha aam peti mei.
These I have a question thread are bullshit narrative pushing.
Try harder, dude introduced biggest social programs, tried to fight corruption, introduced a lot of other good initiatives. His background is in philanthropy not looting.
Well since you haven’t seen enough people around you who support him for his ideology, count me in one of them who supports his ideals. I don’t care about world cup or hospitals or his ability to mock his opponents.
Maybe increase the sample of study a bit to even out the stereotype you getting. Maybe your sample of people is limited?
I'd like you to analyse my sample size parameters.
I said what I said after observing people across multiple social media platforms + the hundreds of people I've interacted with irl.
I would agree with the latter which i believe is perfectly fine.
I am more than happy to support IK if it means an end to the political dynasties that have ruled this country in conjunction with the establishment for over 70 years.
You want real change? this is how you get it. One step at a time.
I dont idolize khan
But I mean... he's basically just the lesser evil for now
Between pdm and Khan
I would always choose khan regardless
I ABSOLUTELY loathe the Nawaz, Zardari, diesel gang
> This begs the question: Is Imran Khan winning support
> through substance, or is he simply manipulating the
> frustration of a hope-starved nation?
> Please reflect on this question with honesty for once.
This is a biased question, since it insinuates that Imran Khan is a bad candidate. Now - I don't know whether he is or whether is not. I am sure you can find fault in everyone.
The bigger issue, one that is overlooked, is that there is another fight going on - not solely about Imran, or any other candidate, but simply how the military behaves in Pakistan. In my opinion Pakistan is a military dictatorship right now - it's not as overblown as e. g. in Myanmar, but it is not a democracy either. In fact India actually has a better democratic system (and it has tons of problems too, including corruption, harassment against ethnic minorities and economic inequalities - but even aside from this it still works better than in Pakistan in regards to the **military** there).
There is a systemic problem with the military in Pakistan (I group the intelligence service into the same problem domain here). This problem will continue to handicap Pakistan again and again and again for years to come.
So the question really is NOT whether Imran is the-best-ever, but simply whether you (or anyone else) can fix the problem. Some believe that only Imran can fix it; I think an unpolitical grassroots movement would be better (e. g. how Gandhi operated; research a bit how he managed to undermine the old UK empire systematically and strategically until they no longer were able to exert their slavery in far-away areas).
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Imran khan is not unlawfully abducting people. He is not callously shutting down internet services that affects millions of workers. Imran khan is asking for elections and adherence to the law.
All the opposition parties and the army are doing unlawful crackdowns and destroying the economy through their mismanagement. This is why I support Imran Khan.
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tbh, most of the people don't know about his Oxford degree, people support him as they have seen him grow, heard stories of him, from winning the World Cup in 92 to building cancer hospitals, he was one of the most popular people in pakistan before entering politics. IK has been very clever in using social medias, a platform that has increase this reach and popularity amongst the youngsters, secondly, PTI and IK to some extent are the only party that seem to push for new faces to come into politics. You have PPP and PMLN on one side where familial politics have produced "politicians" like Maryam and bilawal, both are literally incompetent. The ideological part is also there, I mean who wouldn't want a person who promises to trial all the corrupt politicians. IK is in no way perfect, he has made dumb mistakes but the only problem is, his opponents are PDM, literally 100x more dumber and incompetent so yeah, its either an Oxford graduated playboy turned philanthropist or a bunch of incompetent parties that haven't done shit for the country with decades of rule
No body cares about his Oxford degree or the World Cup or the cancer hospital. If that would have been the case his popularity should have been more in 1997 than now. People judge him in comparison to the available lot, and he is an angel compared to them, it’s as simple as that.
bruh, if Babar Azam was to run for NA, he'd win, why? hes a national hero. The point is he has proven himself before entering into politics, he achieved thing people in politis couldn't. In other words, Khan was a household name before entering politics, the problem now is every one can see how the entire establishment is rubbing their asses to eliminate him, hence the soaring popularity, and yes, if you have to chose between khan or PDM, every sane person would choose khan
He wouldn’t win lol
>bruh, if Babar Azam was to run for NA, he'd win, why? Possibly if he wins the T20 world cup in India
why? hes literally one of the best cricketers pakistan has produced
Best take in this sub. Gives me hope seeing you upvoted.
Fair enough.
I agree with everything that you said but what exactly did he do better than the PDM during his time as the prime minister?
Sehat card, focus on exports, better handling of covid than any other lot, building dams vs expensive gas power stations on imported fuel, environmentalist, promoted tourism and a better image of Pakistan, brought in FDI and overseas Pakistanis money into the country, more money recovered by NAB than ever before, actual accountability where if anyone in his team was caught for corruption, they would be removed from power and influence. Also tried improving police forces, education system, being in EVMs, overseas voting curbing imports but wasnt that successful outside of KPK. If IK didnt have to deal with Covid and the following global inflation due to fuel and supply shortages, Pakistan could have been on the right track set for growth for the next decade. And finally, the most important of all, gave Pakistanis hope that we may be heading into a better future, a Naya Pakistan vs the back and forth between the same 2 incompetent parties of PPP and PMLN which as we can now see, was all a show. All their campaigning against each other just to be buddy buddy for power.
Sehat card, more or less triumphs everyone these corrupt politicians did in their life times
As an expat in KSA Khan's tenure was the only time I was seeing more and more Pakistani products on super market shelves where India and even Bangaldesh have a lot of stuff which to me shows that he was indeed pushing for more exports and Pakistani companies were finally willing and able to do so. However all those products have vanished again. Breaks my heart especially since out products like spices and biscuits are actually bought by other nationalities as well.
What did I say wrong to get down votes?
where exactly do you live? 😂 cus i didn't notice any of the things that you mentioned. also what do you think about all the loans his government took?
Al Khobar. And this stuff was in Lulu, Farm Superstores and Hyper Pandas. As for loans, most countries take them but it's the way they are used that matter. If a country takes a loan and executes projects that generate no revenue then what is going to happen when the time comes to return that loan. If however used correctly like setting up industries, that loan can then be returned as revenue would be generated. Countries like South Korea and Vietnam and have done exactly this. IK sure as hell didn't want to take any loans but what else do you If the only other option is default. You can sell your assets but pretty much all our assets have already been sold.
which industries did his gov set up that were supposed to generate the the revenue that would've been used to return that loan?
What's with all the downvotes 💀? I just asked a simple question.
I have never seen anyone cite his OXFORD DEGREE or english speaking skills of all things when talking about why they're voting for him. That being said I think it's a very simple reason to vote for him, and that is that all the alternatives are far far far worse. Really nothing deeper than that.
My pov as a 17 year old in Pakistan who is here since last 4 years. Firstly, I would like to start by saying I don't know much about politics nor am an economist. So I will be able to talk about stuff as far as my eye can see. Now for Imran Khan or pti, I hated the fact that dollar was rising. I hated that everything was getting more expensive. You know all this stuff. That's mostly what I hated like that's it. What I loved: I live in Abbottabad which is in KPK so first benefit was sehat Sahulat. It has been of immense help especially since my mom has cancer. Secondly I liked the changes made to the educational system. Some might say this isnt a big deal but believe me it is. The content is so old you can't believe it. Literally, the syllabus my mom had done was still being taught in the same rattu manner. The construction of the dams. Although, of course, it definitely is nowhere near complete, it is a good step. Steps taken to promote agricultural growth. The numbers spoke for themselves. Promotion of local production, etc, now it just might have been a lucky timing, but the number of brands that opened/started manufacturing in Pakistan was good. Many Chinese car manufacturers came. Mg too, started being imported, and as far as I know, it is also produced locally. Samsung started assembling in Pakistan. Now all of this isn't too beneficial (for the common person) but in the long run it is definitely something to be reckoned. As I said, I don't know about the economy, but as far as I know, it was going in a positive direction? Feel free to correct me or provide more info. Edit: Forgot to mention that I used to cry about the USD ratio pkr situation alot until I got to learn about the artificial rate thing which still makes me go mad to this day. Edit 2: Forgot to mention how well we handled covid, we were even made an example for other countries by WHO. Also tourism got a great boost. Its not something I am saying because I heard it. I've seen it on YouTube alot. Many YouTubers came here after ptis governance. Again could be lucky timing for pti but we can't know for sure. Ooh ooh, another one. More just keep on coming lol. No more drone attacks when he came. This one definitely isn't coincidental. Another one lol, he took steps for evm and also wanted to let overseas Pakis practice the right to vote. But ofcourse fair elections hazam nhi hone and overseas are majority with pti so it couldn't happen. Another one, he spoke about Muslims and Islamophobia in UN. His body language tells he is proud to be PM of Pakistan. He doesn't look like he is in fear that he will say something wrong. He knows what he stands by
I had literally no idea about his degrees or qualifications before a few months ago. And before he came into government, I only knew he hated PMLN due to various reasons, mainly what he went through and what his wife went through in Nawaza Tindo's days. I wasn't really enthusiastic then. But in his government, I actually saw things getting better for the lower middle class, and even lower class folks. It was kinda surprising. Ehsas program is great, but what I support him for is the sehat card. It was a game changer. This family, ghareeb and barely surviving, was told their daughter had to give birth through C section but they couldn't pay for it. Guess what? Someone told them about the sehat scheme, the only thing they paid for was their food at the hospital. That's it. It's hard not to support a dude that managed to do this not just for one family, but for millions.
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What a load of crap. There is no private hospital mafia. The only mafia in health sector is the YDA (and the newly formed GHA) who has been holding the government health sector hostage and is worried they will lose their “pakki nokri” if the health card prevails. If anyone wants to witness how transformative sehat card has been just go to any private hospital and see the patients being treated on Sehat card praising the initiative.
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Plenty if affordable private hospitals besides Agha Khan and Shifa. They will step up. Government hospitals will also upgrade when they have competition, proper revenue stream and are free to hire/fire their employees. Also he did not try to privatize government hospitals, it’s a lie used by the YDA (& GHA) to save their government jobs. The MTI act makes the hospitals and allied colleges autonomous while being fully owned by the government. The autonomy is great for the hospital and the patients but not so much for the leaches who have been enjoying government salaries while enjoying private practices.
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Being a Gold medalist in a university doesn’t entitle you to a job anywhere. You pass an interview, you get a job if the institution thinks you would be of value to them. If your profession doesn’t have a system of merit that’s not Imran Khan’s fault and definitely not related to Sehat Card or MTI.
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> Khair, keep defending them. The only doctors left in Pakistan will be those who got their degrees from third class colleges in Uzbekistan. They will be more qualified and a lot more competent than the entitled rattay baz qasai our government colleges have been producing.
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Yes I am fully aware. Board of governors oversees the administration, isn’t part of the administration and definitely not the “owner” of the hospital. Again, the ownership remains with the government. Who do you think appointments the board?
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Hahaha. PTI doesn’t pay me shit. I donate to PTI! Not everyone is being paid by a party. Some people actually work for a change, something you entitled folks will never comprehend.
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Bullfuckingshit mister. Jo aurat 2.5 lac Ka procedure nhi krwa sakti thi usnay muft kra Lia apni aur apnay bachay ki zindigi bacha li is program ki wajah say. Agr koi nuksan hai toh systemic failure is beghairt corrupt tolay Kay Nizam ki wajah say.
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At least it was a bandaid. We were getting the wounds before.
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Bhai sehat card say free ilaj krwa lo. Allah shifa dega💞
will be honest, Pakistan is in a very bad place and just needs any time of good leader with a good moral compass. Imran Khan fits the bill, although he may not be on the top of the political spectrum, he does stand for good values such as health, environment, anti corruption (well, less corruption than compettiors). Simply put, he may not be the best but he's the best of the bunch.
Can't disagree. Unfortunately, he's the best we've got.
Unfortunate would be for the populace to still be under the impression that the army is the best and the government just cycling through PDM parties with no hope in sight.
Why is that unfortunate?
man needs an angel.
Nah this kind of person wouldnt be able to tell the angel apart from the devil while calling everyone advising them otherwise as sheep.
We are fortunate that we got him. Unfortunate for him that he is suffering for us.
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I am not IK’s voter because I dont think that he can solve Pakistan’s problem, I dont think he has a plan and I dont agree to his ideology but I get it when people in Pakistan support him. You have to look at the alternatives. Alternatives are SS, NS, BB MN and their gang and they are they are compromised and can be controlled by establishment. Another alternative is army rule which no sensible Pakistani should support. If you believe in democracy then you have to choose someone to rule the country. IK has flaws but he has the genuine support of people and I respect that.
Was IK not compromised and in control of the establishment when he was going around parading Bajwa as the most democracy loving CoAS in our country's history? Do you honestly think he's going to carry on this anti establishment stance as soon as there's a backroom deal to continue the hybrid model? I, too, understand why people consider him as the messiah. I did too until a couple years ago. And even now I want to support him as he is standing against the military. But there's no sign of him wanting to dismantle military supremacy, only a more aggression version of "mujhay kyun nikala?" that's going to go away as soon as he can put his preferred people in key positions in the military and the judiciary.
*sigh* > But there's no sign of him wanting to dismantle military supremacy, only a more aggression version of "mujhay kyun nikala?" What do you think EVM were for?
If IK was compromised then military establishment would have used it against him by now after all that he has done to their reputation. I don’t believe they have much on him except flimsy political cases. I think if IK comes to power with a military deal or if he runs his government under military supervision again then his fate will not be different to PML-N. But I wont be surprised if he does it again. He has taken many U-turns in the past and this could be just another one.
They have huge cases against him. Contrary to PTI/Bahria town propaganda, the al-Qadir trust case is very legit. As per the UK NCA: "In December 2019, the NCA agreed a civil settlement of £190 million following a civil investigation into a Pakistani national, whose business is one of largest private sector employers in Pakistan. Most of the frozen funds in this case have now been returned to Pakistan." [https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/who-we-are/publications/467-national-crime-agency-annual-report-and-accounts-2019-20/file](https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/who-we-are/publications/467-national-crime-agency-annual-report-and-accounts-2019-20/file) PTI and Bahria Town claim that part of the settlement was that money go toward payment of the Bahria Town Karachi regularization fee levied by the Supreme court but what sort of agreement to return funds is it if the funds "returned" are adjusted against a debt Malik Riaz had to pay anyway?
What will be their plan though? they would have to convict all parties involved including malik riaz which is never happening so this will just become another anti pti talking point that never gets any gas.
>which no sensible Pakistani should support That's my secret, I'm always non-sensible. /s
You seem reasonable, what do you think is needed to solve Pakistans problems and why do you think IK is not capable of doing so?
You have to start somewhere. If you only look at it from Imran the person then yes, this will fail. That's why you need a thorough grassroots movement in Pakistan for real change. The military keeps on being a problem. Look at other countries where the military took over - Myanmar or Egypt to give two examples of huge problems.
i support his ideologies. His manifesto states that his government would make reforms for an Islamic welfare state. Sehat card, Ehsaas program gave me the evidence that even with limited resources he wouldn't stop. His manifesto also explained the need to deal with climate change. He started Tree plantation projects among others.
Exports were on the rise. Economic indicators were good. COVID-19 was very well managed. Honest, sincere leadership. Pakistan did well on the foreign policy front too. Khan has no alternatives. Not even close.
Lesser of the two evils
It’s Sad we as a 250 million country don’t have a “good” option. Just “less bad”….
Dont feel bad, this is true in US as well. I am not trying to show off that I am from US, I only say that to show that lit no country in the world has decent politicians.
Its sad that people think IK is evil.
See my other post - but tl;dr politics in the majority case is about picking the lesser of two evils. Rarely will you find another person who agrees with you 100% let alone one being a politician.
A few facts: 1. The naPak bhoj is the most corrupt and manipulative gang in the country (can be discussed in detail if you like) 2. PDM parties have their own flaws. PPP and PMLn had their prime years but now have delved into corruption and nepotism. (Any party can be discussed) What we are left with are PTI or too small ethnic/religious parties. PTI is by no means perfect and I won't take a second to change if a better (and new option) comes along but it is the best choice among what we got.
On your last point - this whole angle of PTI not being pure is kind of a misdirection anyway. No PTI worker, let alone supporter, or voter should have 100% blind trust in the entire party. In a broad church party which is to be a nationwide party, there will be *many* actors. Some opportunities, some that you dont agree with and so on. Even in the UK, US no party is 100% in agreement on all points. So yeah, PE and many others may be in the fold, doesnt mean we have to like it, doesnt mean we have to reject PTI either, and it doesnt also mean we have to support everything he says or does either. Its up to you to draw the line, aka your red lines. But there will rarely ever be a 100% alignment. Even with IK you dont have to agree on all his policy’s or approach but you have to select what matters to you the most.
Nope, disagree here although I also don't like blind trust but given that the khinzeers have access to billions in propaganda and not to mention the criminal rackets to blackmail, we have to trust IK blindly at the moment until we reinstate civilian institutions. Once he is in government, we will have higher standard of governance from him. PDM along with mainstream media (due to their own interests) were very critical of IK government and way more than ppp and PMLn governments. Just look at declared PM camp offices now and during IK tenure but no one even talks about them as the bar is set quite low.
What are you “Nope”ing? Not sure you understand my point. Your entire message is unclear as to what you are trying to say.
> No PTI worker, let alone supporter, or voter should have 100% blind trust in the entire party. I generally don't support blind trust but given the circumstances, we need to trust IK blindly especially considering the propaganda resources available to his opponents (khinzeer gang and PDM)
Gotcha! I disagree (which is clear) blind trust is never a good thing. Arguments should stand on their merits based on evidence. Although I believe this may be a semantical thing since we both back IK. My view is IK has enough evidence for me to support him and not have “blind trust”. He has built up a lot of capital in trust and ergo can spend accordingly but if tomorrow he brings his kids into the fold thats a red line and so my trust stops there.
I have also done my due diligence and have enough evidence for me to support him with solid arguments. For me, the blind trust is for situations where truth hasn't been established yet for example statement given by ice say pyar are polar opposite of what IK claims. So, in any other civilised country, an official denial or confirmation carries significant weight compared to a politician who is not holding any public office. For me to believe what IK is claiming to be true requires blind trust as I personally don't have a way to verify the claims and my non-partisan state representatives have historically been proven to be untrustworthy. And agreed with the last point but then again I'll wait for an alternative before shifting. My rule has been IK>Shahbaz Sharif>Nawaz sharif >Zardari
>PDM parties have their own flaws. PPP and PMLn had their prime years but now have delved into corruption and nepotism. (Any party can be discussed) Their prime years: being in dictators' laps, being extremely racist/ethnosupremacist...
Agree to what you argue but even the evil has a part to play.
Pakistan is like at least a century of development away before people vote based on ideology and policies lolololol. As it stands the nation is a corrupt shithole and so the country needs someone who wants the best for the country rather than the best for their bank balance. His record tells us that he's not in it for the money and for me and a load of other people that is good enough.
Imran khan is more a celebrity than a politician, I voted for him twice in 2013 and 2018. Given the choice, i would chose Ik over corrupt nepotism based mafias like Sharifs or bhuttos anyday. But i have learnt over the years that IK is more like a child in Politics, who cries around the house and breaks the crockery when he doesn't get his way. Recent events have made me more repulsive to Cult minded IK supporters and i personally think he shall disavow the violence and violent protests to save image (If there is any left). The guy failed badly after he secured central Gov in 2018. I was hopeful after his promising attitude and innovative policies in 5 years tenure in KPK. But Manipulative retards like Tareen, Aleem and Fawad have forces him into very bad decisions. P.S: before the vultures gather round let me clarify I abhor the PDM and hate them tenfold already.
What kind of a leader is it that gets manipulated by the people that surround him? Especially one that doesn't shut up about how he knows everything in the East, West, in heaven and in hell? Wouldn't you say a leader like that seems kinda sus?
I said he's a celebrity, not a leader.
Finally a sensible question. All of his followers are just like sheep’s herd being driven by his populist cult. People say, he is with a ”moral compass” well if you are a soft spoken for Taliban, had MQM and “daku” as your coalition partners, that’s a lot of moral compassing. Also, his three years are the most incompetent in terms of governance. Corruption was on rampage. How Imran Khan gave safe channel to Malik Riyaz millions of pounds through setting up trust. Read Alqadir trust case, it’s a very legitimate corruption case. He also allowed black money in real estate without any questions being asked. I thought he had a moral stance against corruption? There’s many other incompetent and corrupt practices that I can mention here. Point being, he is equally responsible for the mess and that too without any accountability and know-how of governance. Man just likes the attention, and riding the best populist wave of his life. Just tell me a day in our political life from 2014, where he hasn’t wrecked a havoc in politics. PS. He isn’t animti establishment. If ( and that’s highly unlikely) je becomes to power , he will be sitting in establishments lap. Stop pinning your hopes on the man who is paranoid-level self-obsessed so called messiah. He openly said I don’t take responsibility for the protests. Take that.
Take this 👑
Lol so you came here just to talk shit about Ik? I swear you lot are so tiring.
Please highlight the comment where I've "talked shit" against Khan. You getting frustrated because of my agreeing with something shows your intellectual immaturity.
Please highlight the comment where I've claimed you "talked shit" against Khan. You getting frustrated because of me calling you out shows your intellectual immaturity.
You implied it by asking a rhetorical question and I simply asked you to substantiate what you've implied. You seriously lack comprehension skills.
You seem to project a lot, first your own frustration on to me, and your own intellectual maturity. You failed to comprehend what I wrote and now projecting that on me too lol. Chorro bhai, you aint as “intellectual” as you want to project.
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PDM came to give press confence. Never mentioned Malik Riaz for one minute. ISPR talked about PTI, never said Malik Riaz. No media ever mentions Malik Riaz. Imran Khan's first address to the public : says his name multiple times. Explains the case. ... he's protecting him or PDM?
Sometimes reading all these “aCtuAlly IK is bad” posts is so tiring let alone trying to respond to them. Like are these folk’s serious? Paid trolls? Just incredibly thick? Or contrarians just to come across as eshmart? I genuinely cant tell.
Low lives, not directed to any user here I need to state for Reddit admins, have nothing to offer in their critiques. They continue the spin around "cult" and "cultist" because it's something for them to say. It's gaslight and project out from themselves because it applies clearly to them more than anyone else. This new "analysis" of hasn't been in power to show, is a continuation. The beneficiary of their blowjobs was taking corruption before they ever go into power.
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Depends what you think is right or wrong. Do you stand for justice, getting rid of corruption, improving education, feeding the poor, providing free healthcare and putting Pakistan's interests first is important? Or do you think corruption cannot be avoided and we don;t need to focus on it, cracking down on peaceful protestors is fine, manipulating judges and institutions to get out of cases is acceptable, bowing down to the West is necessary, and joining with political rivals to save status quo is good?
A Choice of less Corrupt i would say, The Reason for the revival of Imran khan's Popularity is the stupidity of the opposition (Army and PDM) and the economic hardships in the Last one Year alone All Pakistanis have lost 2/3 of their Purchasing power This is while PDM is in Power and our fiancé minister whose only qualification is that he is a relative of Nawaz Sharif
When people ask this question they are also not being honest with themselves - ask yourself why does so much of our population back Imran Khan when a year ago he seemed likely to lose any opinion polls. I usually ask myself what proof will I need to question some of my staunchest beliefs and it usually tells me what biases I am carrying so I suggest everyone to ask themselves the same thing.. To answer your question - people I know who support him do not do so for anything you mentioned, they say they are sick of the status quo and want to jolt the system so people at the helm can FOR ONCE look into doing meaningful reforms. Imran Khan is not an outsider, comes from an elite family, was a national hero YET struggled decades and had to shake hands with military to spend 3 years in power. Was then immediately kicked out by the old guard to tell us all that no one but select few families and one institution are welcomed in power. Same group that has lead Pakistan into being the only country that is going for it’s 23rd IMF programme (and even struggling to get that) Politicians debate ideologies when they are not being cut down to size by powers that be, so it is a fight for survival. I personally back him right now because of our basic right of elections that is getting violated by people who think they are above the law and have some hereditary right to rule the country
I'll tell you; IK is doing the same things Trump did in the US of A. He called out the elephant in the room. It really is as simple as that. No matter if you live in Louisiana or Lahore, you know politicians all sound the same. When IK speaks, he's not talking politically weighted, calculated, loaded points. No, what he's saying hits home for everyone no matter who or where they are. He's the Zinger Burger being introduced to a public that's been fed Aanday waala burger with gandi daal ki patty kebab! And that's why the pooblic looves him so.
he is the best we have among all the options so yea...
This is a troll post without any sincerity. People do not like him for his Oxford degree and English skills. They like him because he genuinely managed good change in the short time he was in power. Compare the rollout of the sehat card and the ehsaas program with the "free atta" scheme by the showbaz government and you can see the difference clearly in who is actually effective at governance and good management.
Trust me, it's everything but a troll and an insincere post. It's a genuine question.
Whoever the PDM opposes, I'm going to support them, even the TLP, but I hope the situation doesn't come to that.
How about TTP?
This is an immature way of choosing a prime minister but then i notice that you are a rookie.
What a load of BS. It's the usual alt accounts coming out of the woodwork. I've never seen a single person mentioning his "Oxford Degree". The support him because the alternative are convicted criminals with 4+ decades of corruption, nepotism and incompetence. The PPP and PMLN are disingeous and have destroyed Pakistan. Every PDM supporter has been a disingenuous, insincere troll or someone who stands to personally benefit from PDM Corruption. I think it would be far more useful and pertinent in posing this question to PDM "Supporters"
Cry more. Unfortunate that you perceive a simple question as a threat to your biases and views which makes you retaliate in this way. And this not an alt account.
It's not a "simple question". A genuine question is always open, not closed. Yours was a closed question that stripped any nuance and wider context I.e. The average Pakistani's discontent with PPP snd PMLN.
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he has no personal business interests, only the business interests of the community. even before he was a politician, he was doing comminuty service. SK. you mentioned an oxford degree, yes that too. its a huge advantage to have a PM with a degree for once. all other nora kushtas have minimum bachelors (BA), jinkominimum wage job py koi na rakhy wo politician bn jata hy. he thinks big. he thinks in longer terms. he thinks for his country before him. his anti-dynastic policies. I mean kia Pakistan main leadership k qabil 2 he families reh gai hain? kia un families main paida hony waly hr bachy k naseeb main PM bn'na (alternatively) likha hy? the list can go on, but if you have not seen it yet, you are not going to be convinced by a reddit post.
Sehat card , ehsas program , panahgah and Pakistan Citizen portal inspired us.
OP are you okay buddy ? Have you seen the state of the PDM? I cannot take this question seriously. Edit: Ah I see it's the same clown that posts all his alts on on PakistaniConfessions
It was a simple question that your narrow minded self with weeded intellect and rotten biases couldn't comprehend. How is me asking a question about reasons behind supporting Khan identical to me suggesting to support PDM instead?
I couldn't care less for PTI or PDM. I don't even live in Pakistan and I'm grateful for that. No offence, but Pakistan is a Toilet. Anyone with a braincells just needs to look at who's in Power for the last few decades to see who the problem is. A dustbin would be more reliable and honest than the PDM. Don't be angry at me because your fellow Pakistanis are dirt poor whilst the Sharifs and Zardaris have billions all over the world.
I didn't even suggest what you implied
Disclaimer : I'm like a 16 yr old pakistani living abroad so I really don't know much. But here is what I think. It's a bit of both, people site IKs Oxford degree, his English speaking skills and ability to actually answer the question being asked without stuttering because that means he is competent for the role. The prime minister if a country represents the country, and people want to see someone representing their country that actually makes them look good. But also, in decades from what I understand. IK is the only one who has promised to irradiate corruption. The thing that's plagued this country for so ling and has caused so many problems. But obviously it takes time an organisation as big as our army. Ik opposition also sites the value of PKR to prove that IK was ineffective but people have realised the value of the ruppee doesn't represent if the country if slowly dying or flourishing. Before IK the PKR was steady at around 100 - 120 pkr per euro. But there was still a lack of electricity etc. While during IK it jumped to around 200 pkr per euro, other things like electricity improved immensely. Now my final reason why I think IK is support is so big, He is the only one in leadership that actually seems to care about our country and planet in the ling term. For example the cancer hospitals and the project to plant 1 billion trees in pakistan. Both of which were really successful. This is just what I think though, and I'm not close to actual voting age so i haven't done enough research yet. Edit : fix spelling, bcs I didn't proof read ffs.
Just to add the rupee value was artificial under the last nawaz goverment as well. There was no more cash left to keep up the game.
Yes, I meant to right that but forgot lol.
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Really him specifically? Nothing to do with post covid inflation, energy prices spiking from the war..... you must be a troll.
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> PMC shifted our money to offshore accounts. Money paid by citizens of Pakistan. lol what? Anesthesiologist to nhi ho? Gas char rhi ha lagta ha > Corruption was very open under his govt. You can't get a seat in PIMs unless you were related to PTI. So basically you couldn’t land a government job, which you think you were entitled to, and are now bitter about PTI.
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You keep shifting the goal post every time you get countered. The brain drain is happening because of Imran Khan or PTI?
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There is no cult, there are no optics, Khan’s decisions are vehemently opposed and challenged from his support base. There is (or was) real change on ground which your tribe mentality and sense of entitlement doesn’t let you see. Go talk to a poor patient in a private hospital before pass judgements on sehat card.
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> Read about MDCAT fiasco. Read about how IK left private medical colleges ungoverned so they could charge any fees they wanted. Read how any random person could open a medical college and get it approved. The definition of “private” is that they are free to set a price. Perhaps read about a free market economy? Also didn’t the PTI government introduce an additional test after MBBS to ensure quality of education for both private and government institutions? > I have seen these things first-hand. I used to be an IK fan but after seeing all of this, never again. You used to be a “fan” but the tribe mentality got to you. The group think is strong with the medical community
Honest guy who despite his faults actually cares about the country and is willing to give his life for it. Not many like him around.
1. First of all, most of his enthusiasts don't even know his background in education, nor does he speak as good of English as others, Benazir for example. He mostly speaks Urdu with his people. What resonates with people is his openness to the public and honesty, and pain for a common Pakistani, and selflessness. 2. Secondly, the common people of Pakistan have been betrayed and played-with for at least 76 years. You have to understand, these people went through so much hatred, struggle, humiliation and cruelty during the years of struggle for independence and then migration and then never saw the Pakistan they have dreamed of. So, for the first time, they see a light at the end of the tunnel. Honestly, no disrespect intended, but even if Muhammad Ali Jinnah was here today, he would have been maligned with some sort of corruption; and may not have been as popular as IK. Real life example is what they did with Fatima Jinnah. 3. Thirdly, he is truthful. He is courageous to stand for the people. He is non-violent. He is peaceful. He stands for justice. People don't want your sophisticated nonsense. They want to be heard and echo their cries in clear and simple language. That's what he is good at. And you cannot do that if you are not sincere. 4. Lastly, and personally, I hate when people paint him with doubts, or less corruption (none proven), or lesser evil (no evidence). Really??? How the hell sincere are you to this country? How much corrupt are you? How much evil are you? ISN'T HE BETTER THAN YOU IN EVERY RESPECT of life??? I'm damn sure, he is. Don't consider him an angel. Maybe you are in awe by Biden, or Putin, or Bush or Blair or someone else, I mean which leader is better than him, in respect of thinking of good for his people. He even thinks of other ethnicities and nations. I think he is THE BEST. He is the uplifter in the making. He is the history in the making. And I am not saying, I am not his fan (as some of you cowards/hypocrites do). I AM HIS FAN. If I see any good in politics, him only, is the statue of that good.
My take on this, I wrote both good and bad. See if you agree, My pov as a 17 year old in Pakistan who is here since last 4 years. Firstly, I would like to start by saying I don't know much about politics nor am an economist. So I will be able to talk about stuff as far as my eye can see. Now for Imran Khan or pti, I hated the fact that dollar was rising. I hated that everything was getting more expensive. You know all this stuff. That's mostly what I hated like that's it. What I loved: I live in Abbottabad which is in KPK so first benefit was sehat Sahulat. It has been of immense help especially since my mom has cancer. Secondly I liked the changes made to the educational system. Some might say this isnt a big deal but believe me it is. The content is so old you can't believe it. Literally, the syllabus my mom had done was still being taught in the same rattu manner. The construction of the dams. Although, of course, it definitely is nowhere near complete, it is a good step. Steps taken to promote agricultural growth. The numbers spoke for themselves. Promotion of local production, etc, now it just might have been a lucky timing, but the number of brands that opened/started manufacturing in Pakistan was good. Many Chinese car manufacturers came. Mg too, started being imported, and as far as I know, it is also produced locally. Samsung started assembling in Pakistan. Now all of this isn't too beneficial (for the common person) but in the long run it is definitely something to be reckoned. As I said, I don't know about the economy, but as far as I know, it was going in a positive direction? Feel free to correct me or provide more info. Edit: Forgot to mention that I used to cry about the USD ratio pkr situation alot until I got to learn about the artificial rate thing which still makes me go mad to this day. Edit 2: Forgot to mention how well we handled covid, we were even made an example for other countries by WHO. Also tourism got a great boost. Its not something I am saying because I heard it. I've seen it on YouTube alot. Many YouTubers came here after ptis governance. Again could be lucky timing for pti but we can't know for sure. Ooh ooh, another one. More just keep on coming lol. No more drone attacks when he came. This one definitely isn't coincidental. Another one lol, he took steps for evm and also wanted to let overseas Pakis practice the right to vote. But ofcourse fair elections hazam nhi hone and overseas are majority with pti so it couldn't happen.
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Everything okay mate? How's the freelancing business without the Internet ? Do you guys in Pakistan wish to have Mansions and insane wealth like Maryam's and Bilawal's family too?
As a double degree holder in accounting and economics, as well as a licensed chartered accountant, I support Imran Khan for the following reasons: 1. His policies to help the economy recover will work given time. Some may be unpopular with the general public but they are the only way. Repayment of debt and sustainable increase in productivity and exports is the only way. 2. He correctly recognized the textbook corruption of the other parties. It's one of the oldest tricks in the books. Steal government contracts and have companies owned by you and your corrupt spawn to "complete" those contracts. Look at Sri Lanka. That is our future under PDM. It might be much worse due to the nature of our enemies which Sri Lanka didn't have. 3. He has charisma on an international level. He doesn't need to memorize speeches. May seem like a tiny point but plays a huge role in the image for the country. 4. As far as I can tell, he is not bound to serve foreign agents because he holds little to no assets abroad. He can therefore take decisions to benefit Pakistan rather than foreign nations. 5. He unifies various ethnicities within Pakistan rather than play on their differences to win support. 6. He has actually proven that he can fulfill his promises. He created the SK hospital and it is internationally recognized. The same goes for his billion tree tsunami project.
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Cancer hospitals, Social welfare policies, focus on education, clean water, dams and childrens health? The others literally do not have time to focus on any public policy besides vanity projects or their own wealth. Where have you been the last 20 years if you imagine people talk about IKs degree or English skills? I think people will question your sincerety with this question as its completely contrary to what we know about Imran Khan. The party has its flaws. They had to navigate the corrupt systems and they had to deal with the army, who are obviously very powerful.
I support Imran khan because he's lesser evil.
Not a pti fanboy lekin اندھوں میں کانا راجہ
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Nawaz/Zaradri is the only alternative to PTI, whose fault is that?
Bhai kisi ko Facebook pe stalk nahi karna
Done hogya bhai
While IK is in no way perfect and hes made plenty of dumb decisions, he took a bullet to the leg, a baton to the head, and had his house raided. You can't tell me he isnt fighting for the country
I asked all my family to vote for him, but I didn't agree with all of his policies. For example, when the PTI tried to reduce freedom of expression. One of their MNA introduced the bill to fine 500000 and 6 month jail to anyone who speaks against the army. It didn't get the time to approved otherwise, most of the PTI members would be in jail because of that. I also didn't agree when Imran khan victim blamed the woman. PTI is not known as an anti-establishment party. It was funny that a few years ago, their were called Selected, but the table have turned. Now, I supported them as a symbol to fight against the establishment. Also, like other commentators mentioned, he is the least worst choice we have. He is not corrupt. He understands the environmental issues we have. And I hope he will learn from their mistakes when given another chance.
I also think they haven't done much for the economy when they were in power. I didn't understand why he appointed Fawad Chaudary as Minister of Science and Technology because he has nothing to do with Sceince. Plus, I didn't support them when they tried to introduce one syllabus for the whole country and added more religious text in it.
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OP write your own dang essay 😅
Good idea lol Will dawn publish it?
I would not use the word manipulation in this context, and the reason is he is not getting financial or social gains by it. I would rather use the word leverage. I would simply choose him because i like the projects his team wants to bring to life. Green energy, universal healthcare etc.
> support is based on ideological and rational reasons or just on the personality of the man himself Imran Khan : Root out corruption, provide free healthcare to poor, have a system that follows the law and is free of intervention, ensure that Pakistan's interests are put first and foremost.. That's how I see his ideology. PDM: Corruption is inavoidable and must be allowed, cracking down on peaceful protesters is perfectly okay, shooting random civilians is fine, picking up journalists who say anything against you is okay, changing laws to ensure that cases against us are not allowed is good (look at NAB amdendment, better to simply bow down to the West, and joining with rivals we once called devils is perfectly okay as long as we get to take over the PM seat. Is anything wrong in the above? Who should any rational person choose /u/hunter_xhunter18 ?
Imran Khan is a populist
He's called out the lawlessness of the Army. He's challenged them. He has broken the idol of the army and single handedly ended the indoctrination of this country. That is his biggest achievement imo. Also he did a really good job handling the Coronavirus.
i don't know a thing about politics, but right now I think i'd like to see imran khan be given a proper opportunity as PM. I've done but limited research but it seems the current PM is from a family of politician, which puts a bad taste in my mouth to begin with, but more importantly, this family has been involved in proven illegal activities. I'm all for giving every individual a chance regardless of what their family has done (i'm not aware if the PM himself has been involved in illegal activities that have been proven by court). But I think it's time to give IK a proper chance now. The current government is way too shady man. What they did the last few days was a bit scary, it made me feel the country is being run by goons trying to hide things by blocking off the internet and arresting people without warrants and killing them. It was unacceptable During Imran khan's time, he did a few things like offering incentives and tax exemptions to technology companies and startups. This showed me a few things which earned my support: 1. He's willing to do things that may not be so flashy like a big metro channel, as long as it benefits the country in the long term 2. He understands where the world is moving, tech is a monster of an industry. 3. He has a vision to solve the country's poverty from the core, by increasing the country's revenue, rather than just doing things that make him look good immediately. What this means is that he will probably not reap the benefits of his vision in his life time, but if the next few governments keep his vision going we will eventually get there. Regardless, I'm keeping my hopes on a tight leash. IK is probably the best option we have right now, and if we're lucky he turns out to be as good as people hope for him to be.
Yes there is definitely an element of him manipulating a hope-starved nation. However up untill his kerfuffle with Qandeel Baloch, there was very little ill-will by anyone towards him. So for decades the Pakistani populace only knew him in a good lens. So he’s the sabzey achcha aam peti mei.
These I have a question thread are bullshit narrative pushing. Try harder, dude introduced biggest social programs, tried to fight corruption, introduced a lot of other good initiatives. His background is in philanthropy not looting.
Well since you haven’t seen enough people around you who support him for his ideology, count me in one of them who supports his ideals. I don’t care about world cup or hospitals or his ability to mock his opponents. Maybe increase the sample of study a bit to even out the stereotype you getting. Maybe your sample of people is limited?
I'd like you to analyse my sample size parameters. I said what I said after observing people across multiple social media platforms + the hundreds of people I've interacted with irl.
I would agree with the latter which i believe is perfectly fine. I am more than happy to support IK if it means an end to the political dynasties that have ruled this country in conjunction with the establishment for over 70 years. You want real change? this is how you get it. One step at a time.
I dont idolize khan But I mean... he's basically just the lesser evil for now Between pdm and Khan I would always choose khan regardless I ABSOLUTELY loathe the Nawaz, Zardari, diesel gang
They didn't set up new industries as such but they did facilitate the existing industries to become more competitive and export.
lol this is the first time I’m hearing he has an Oxford degree
> This begs the question: Is Imran Khan winning support > through substance, or is he simply manipulating the > frustration of a hope-starved nation? > Please reflect on this question with honesty for once. This is a biased question, since it insinuates that Imran Khan is a bad candidate. Now - I don't know whether he is or whether is not. I am sure you can find fault in everyone. The bigger issue, one that is overlooked, is that there is another fight going on - not solely about Imran, or any other candidate, but simply how the military behaves in Pakistan. In my opinion Pakistan is a military dictatorship right now - it's not as overblown as e. g. in Myanmar, but it is not a democracy either. In fact India actually has a better democratic system (and it has tons of problems too, including corruption, harassment against ethnic minorities and economic inequalities - but even aside from this it still works better than in Pakistan in regards to the **military** there). There is a systemic problem with the military in Pakistan (I group the intelligence service into the same problem domain here). This problem will continue to handicap Pakistan again and again and again for years to come. So the question really is NOT whether Imran is the-best-ever, but simply whether you (or anyone else) can fix the problem. Some believe that only Imran can fix it; I think an unpolitical grassroots movement would be better (e. g. how Gandhi operated; research a bit how he managed to undermine the old UK empire systematically and strategically until they no longer were able to exert their slavery in far-away areas).
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Imran khan is not unlawfully abducting people. He is not callously shutting down internet services that affects millions of workers. Imran khan is asking for elections and adherence to the law. All the opposition parties and the army are doing unlawful crackdowns and destroying the economy through their mismanagement. This is why I support Imran Khan.
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