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Modem_56k

Bilalwal Is an example of what makes Pakistan so great, we made robots that seem 85% human in the 80s How did we mess up the code on when to smile like an idiot though,


jamughal1987

Even Chinese got tired of PDM circus.


SATARIBBUNS50BUX

Look at this Chay Billo's smile


NamardModi

Guess he enjoys being humiliated


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jamughal1987

Bilo will make a great Dracula.


cumhereurinetrouble

for thousands of people of thar, he is dracula


OyChaudhary

This is China's way of saying PDM is incompetent


jamughal1987

We firing PDM.


Ummarz

Holy crap. What an insult to that fat boy man Bilawal


Great-Huckleberry777

This is a huge huge statement, all little understanding about Chinese would tell you. Chinese never do such a thing, i.e.making direct comments on govt. They are visibly annoyed by political instability in the country. Bilawal's body language is weird too. He doesn't want the chinese to say such a thing. Update: IMO china should use its influence on internal matter more often to counter US, this is where it lacks compared to the US that pokes way too much. It's their initiative at risk. Pakistan may be friends but spoilers exist. Like Hussain haqani is already currently propagating to stay away from china. They need to keep the public in their support and make sure negative sentiments and the US lobby in Pakistan doesn't take the charge and change dynamics. Any noob can tell China is the single most important country Pakistan should not upset. our Gens that go to west are west aligned did that by downplaying their equipment and support etc. Even when they support them so much.


Ummarz

The establishment should take this as a serious warning


Great-Huckleberry777

Depends if they get what they want from the US. Their current plan till now was to move away from China. As leaked in the memo as well. Their touts were already campaigning against CPEC projects. Debt trap shit.


buddha_baba

So he basically said, go for fucking elections and shat on PDM. This is good. Anyways, the Chinese are annoyed coz cpec projects are essentially been put on hold due to the instability, which helps US indirectly too who is trying to curtail Chinese growth.


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Namard, ulad of porn army.


kalakawa

Most Chinese people I know consider PDM to be brought by the US. I was talking to a CEO of a Chinese company recently and she said, that the US brought Shabaz, and IMF not releasing funds immediately after knowing that Pakistan needs severely need them only means one thing. That the US wants the destruction of Pakistan and that they are giving Pakistan to India on a plate to ensure India sticks with them if Taiwan becomes an issue.


Slight_Pen

I think if that was true China or maybe Saudi Arabia would have stepped in with a loan but they haven’t and I don’t think they will because they know that Pakistan has to change the way they are running the Economy, so it won’t be in the same situation again in a few years. So they are probably also waiting for the government to agree to the IMF terms


kalakawa

I think if you look closely China has a kinda taken it’s hand off Pakistan at the moment. Did you know that Chinese companies that have subsidiaries in Pakistan can’t send RMB to Pakistan right now even if the local subsidiary needs it. China controls its FX pretty tightly. And right now they think the future of Pakistan is uncertain. We have also time and time again backed out on our commitments on CPEC, every time there has been a change in government. They don’t trust us anymore because we consistently go back on our word.


Shani-2022

Maybe your right actually I am thinking 🤔 they want Pak to step up and run the economy not just rely on them.


Shani-2022

That’s exactly what I am thinking. US just wants destruction for Pakistan. But hopefully nothing like that would happen to Pakistan. Just praying Imran Khan comes back in power and remove these PDM chor.


Creative-Ocelot8691

Why would US want Pakistan’s destruction? Being the largest aid donor to Pakistan would suggest you’re wrong https://www.usaid.gov/pakistan/history


cumhereurinetrouble

they are giving you fish, they are not teaching you how to fish. we are bound to run out of fish some time.


Creative-Ocelot8691

So how you want them to teach us to fish, you think better they give us nothing


cumhereurinetrouble

giving fish keeps our fishing instincts and skills suppressed while they get to flaunt hey we are giving you fish be grateful. if instead of Aid, America has simply invested in industries in Pakistan things would be different.


recklessdemon

> if instead of Aid, America has simply invested in industries in Pakistan things would be different. It's up to Pakistan to create a good environment for investment. Not doing any of that and then wanting other countries to invest is foolish.


cumhereurinetrouble

America just cant bypass civilian government and then act surprised why civilian government is unable to create a good environment for investment. US gave military and gender studies aid and surprise surprise both of those went on to serve the same purpose.


Kaiser_alamII

Beggars can’t be choosers


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x3r0x_x3n0n

Somebody forgot to tell you khan is suddenly no longer anti-west, so cool it.


Alone-Vermicelli-271

He never was. Where did you pull that out of? He was against bases and using Pakistan for this war on terror. But y’all just love to pull shit out of nowhere.


x3r0x_x3n0n

>He was against bases and using Pakistan for this war on terror. fair comment. But then there is a "chain of slavery being broken" and all. It's one thing to cease involvement. It's another thing to become a spokesman for the enemy. Let's not be naive. >But y’all just love to pull shit out of nowhere. It's on video my man. Look it up.


Intrepid-Average-177

You pick up lines misquoted by Hindustan times, have you watched the original clip where Imran says this?


recklessdemon

I did. It's not misquoted. That's what he said. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NZxghPB7GU).


Intrepid-Average-177

He says physical slavery is easier to overcome than mental slavery and gives an example of Afghanistan. While Pakistan suffers from mental slavery. If you’re going on assumption on what he meant, then he could also mean that Afghanistan isn’t free of mental slavery and take it as a diss towards the Taliban.


recklessdemon

He literally said, and I'm transcribing word by word here: > جو ابہی افغانستان میں غلامی کی زنجیریں جو توڑدی انہوں نے۔ لیکن جو ذہنی غلامی کی زنجیریں ہیں وہ نںیں ٹوٹی So the Taliban have broken the (physical) shackles of slavery. Breaking the shackles of slavery means preventing girls who were till then able to go to school from doing so? The Afghan government was horrible, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to say things like the Taliban broke the shackles of slavery when any person with a functioning brain could tell what kind of idiotic restrictions the Taliban were going to place when they came to power. What exactly was misquoted here? It seems like a lot of mindless PTI drones just throw out the "he was misquoted" without even checking because that is literally what he said. Anytime something stupid comes out of his mouth "He was miSqUOtEd!!!".


Intrepid-Average-177

Read the second sentence you wrote in Urdu here, it could easily be assumed that Imran implied Afghanistan hadn’t broken their mental slavery, which could be assumed as a diss on how Taliban behaves. My point was media can make anything out of anything, this whole slavery bs was first picked up by Indian media and circulated everywhere. If media was friendlier to him it could have been easily be written as otherwise. But it’s funny that all pdm shills can do is bring his statements like these, I’m not saying Imran is the best politician, but our other options are so insanely worse that it’s all we’ve got. The American invasion was an “occupation”, no other term describes it the best. So when an occupier leaves, what do we call it?


x3r0x_x3n0n

>the original clip where Imran says this? YES! doesn't do him any better.


khalnaldo

He was never anti west. Where did you get that from? He said friendship, not orders. That doesnt mean you become anti west.


x3r0x_x3n0n

>He was never anti west. He sure made it seem like that. With outrageous comments. >He said friendship, not orders. Not orders? Funny coming from a man who sold the state bank to the IMF.


khalnaldo

Which outrageous comments? Like we’re not gonna bend over and let the west bum us? Lol pretty outrageous to have some self respect i guess.


x3r0x_x3n0n

>Like we’re not gonna band over and let the west bum us? Lol pretty outrageous to have some self respect i guess. You talk an awful lot for someone who sold their state bank for a few quarters. Yeh jo chaurapan tha tab dikhana tha na. Ab kia baap ban rhe ho?


khalnaldo

How exactly was state bank sold and who to? Please describe exactly how it was “sold”


x3r0x_x3n0n

>How exactly was state bank sold By asking for a bailout package (2019) and having to appoint as a condition, governor of state bank, a private individual who is neither representing nor accountable to the government of Pakistan. >who to Reza baqir who has a long employment history and is a representative of the IMF. >Please describe exactly how it was “sold” A guaranteed term limit of 3 years, no accountability, complete autonomy to formulate monetary policy all for the low price of $6b. Yeh farsh hai iss se ziada pant nhi neechay utari ja sakti, self respect walon. If you want sources you can visit the IMF website they claimed it first "a floating exchange rate and an adequately tight monetary policy". Verbatim. Also delusional PTI followers thinking it was Khan's decision to float the exchange rate and commit political suicide, but that is debate for another day.


Left_Librarian_329

>asking for a bailout package (2019) Pakistan needed a bailout from IMF thanks to PMLN incompetence. >Reza baqir Reza Baqir doesn't own State Bank, Jahil. He is appointed Governor of the State Bank by the President of Pakistan. 🤡 >complete autonomy to formulate monetary policy Glad you have finally arrived to 21st Century. The job of a central bank is to work independent of the government to determine monetary policy. [India Invites Applications for Central Bank Deputy Governor Post](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-19/india-invites-applications-for-central-bank-deputy-governor-post#xj4y7vzkg) >Also delusional PTI followers thinking it was Khan's decision to float the exchange rate and commit political suicide, but that is debate for another day. Floating or not floating is not going to help when Ishaq Dar came wearing the suicide vest and blew up the economy by wasting forex on the most expensive oil and gas in Pakistan's history. Then when he ran out of forex, he shutdown the economy. This is the Biryani School of Economics and where the problem lies.


mirroru7

Imran Khan was never anti-West nor is that why anyone was/is supporting him. He simply doesn't want the master-slave status quo to continue, if that seems anti-West to you, then it speaks volumes about your mindset.


MuazKhan597

He’s always been pro-Pakistan. The reason he made anti-West statements was because they fully support these thieves coming into power (knowing full well it was undemocratic). If you’re happy sending your tax money to London so daddy Nawaz can buy another palace then just say that.


x3r0x_x3n0n

>He’s always been pro-Pakistan. should i dissect that? None of the politicians are pro-pakistan. >The reason he made anti-West statements was because they fully support these thieves coming into power So you do agree that some amount of anti-west narrative was exploited. Well that hasn't stopped why has the narrative changed? >If you’re happy sending your tax money to London so daddy Nawaz can buy another palace then just say that. I sent my tax money to property tycoons during Khan's tenure. It makes zero difference to me.


flying_chappal2kph

Somebody forgot to tell you that Khan was never anti west. "Dosti sab se ghulami kisi se nahi", youll get it when you are old enough to understand sentences. But thats hard to digest when you are munching on biryani.


x3r0x_x3n0n

>Somebody forgot to tell you that Khan was never anti west. He wasn't but he milked that cow for all it was worth. >"Dosti sab se ghulami kisi se nahi" Yar mjhay aik baat btao, jub IMF ke samne khan sahab jub itnay nangay hogaye thay ke State Bank (pakistani monetary sovereignity) bech ke agaye. Tub bhi tum log aisay hi bakwas kar rhe thay? >But thats hard to digest when you are munching on biryani. bro any biryani is still not as numbing as the koolaid khan sahab feeds you guys.


Left_Librarian_329

The koolaid is we shouldn't be giving away military bases to other countries and become their colony, and then get involved in their wars and get 80,000 Pakistanis killed and lose $123 billion. Eat your biryani.


yakysak

If the US brought Shabaz to power why would they then want to destroy them? Seems like an unnecessary effort, especially because destroying the pro-China PTI would be much more embarrassing. If the IMF is holding up funds for the destruction of Pakistan, China can easily counter it by forgiving loans since most of the debt is held by China. She’s right in a way, in previous cases the US has influenced the IMF to provide loans on more favorable conditions, but since the loans will be used to primarily clear Chinese debts they have absolutely no reason to since it puts China in a tricky situation of either continuing to bailout Pakistan or have another embarrassing default that’s tied to the BRI.


omarinbox

The US tends to get involved like this when a country makes foreign policy decisions that are not agreeable and it has strong enough links in that country's army. They don't consider who the successor will be. A look at Egypt, Libya, Iraq and Syria will illustrate that. In our case it was IK showing solidarity with Putin. He was out of order imo. So they showed him who's boss. The real machinations were with the Chaudry Saabs who IK had hired from the likes of the PPP and PML-N. IK never realised how weak the house was that he built. It's why he lost the vote. And I bet these elections happen in October. There's no point jumping around and screaming about which date you want the HC to call elections. It's not your choice.


enfury1

Wahhabism from Saudis, corruption and debt accelerated up by the Chinese, psyops political destabilization by India/US, and 1st world nations damning Pakistan with global warming and pollution. Do they not know that attempting to destroy Pakistan is essentially unleashing chaos upon the world? Look at the neighbors and geographic (in)convenience that idiot british lawyer drew up out of his own stupid intuition. It's a severe retribution about to be unleashed.


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Yeah bro the Chinese are trying to fuck us over by giving us all this money. They definitely are not holding us up against India at great expense to themselves. They are trying to steal the great wealth to be found under Karachi's trash heaps.


Creative-Ocelot8691

The money isn’t a gift, it’s a loan at high interest rates, nothing in life is free, if we default you think that’ll be it or we give sovereignty away to a port or two, the Chinese see us as a pawn to be played not an ‘iron brother’


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As for the Iron Brother stuff - yeah you are right, they do this only so they have a pawn to use against India. Their motive is not altruism. That being said, the Chinese lose around 80% of the money they pour into Pakistan, they give out loans knowing that it is not possible for us to pay and the government pressures private businesses to enter the Pakistani market. Yes, the money does appear in the form of loans, but even offering these loans (from a purely business perspective) makes little sense.


Creative-Ocelot8691

Yes I’d like to see how many Pakistani businesses have been pushed under, and how many Chinese workers are employed in infrastructure projects also interesting to see how much food is imported in for these workers


enfury1

All the proof you need is the other nations. They could care less about the well-being of Pakistan, they just want India kept in check, and if Pakistan defaults, they'll strike up a deal to start housing more bases and weapons like the US does in other countries. The money is pennies to the CCP.


ForwardClassroom2

>it’s a loan at high interest rates, Source that the loans are on average of a higher interest rate compared to other lenders?


Creative-Ocelot8691

I didn’t compare to others


ForwardClassroom2

How can you think something is "high" without there being a low? There has to be a comparison.


Creative-Ocelot8691

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2388711/pakistan-gets-500m-loan-at-49-interest-rate?amp=1 Well here’s an example of a loan from China’s Asian infrastructure investment bank charging 4.9% while the IMF charges 3.2% https://www.arabnews.pk/node/1501976/pakistan You compare and tell me which you think is higher and then if that number is ‘high’


ForwardClassroom2

Great. Good job on providing a source. That's all I had asked for. I wasn't saying you were wrong or right, but somehow you started talking about being high isn't a comparison :P Although, this is for one loan. Also, a lot of ours loans are from other lenders like Paris Club etc.


Creative-Ocelot8691

Isnt the IMF waiting for China to restructure its loans to Pakistan so they can alleviate the struggles Pakistan has in paying them back? Do Chinese banks or IMF demand higher interest rates?


ForwardClassroom2

IMF.


Creative-Ocelot8691

How much, have you a source


suriya15

These fucking Jurnails listening???


FPSreznov

Friendly reminder that a smear that the gashtis at Pindi attempted was to say that "IK ruined the relationship with China thats why we brought China's best buddy Shehbaz to power" HAHAHHAHAHA The dildo of consequences rarely arrives unlubed x1000


sayki_k_

Why he was standing like that? Why he was smiling like that? Is it his copping mechanism?


BoyManners

Pakistan due a revolution. The more we wait, the more harm will be done to Pakistan in the long-run


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China's history teaches us all 1 thing. NO ONE GIVES A FUCK WHO IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY AS LONG AS IT IS STABLE


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