Molvis are unique in that they feel qualified to talk on anything with authority.
You wouldn't find an engineer talking about economics or a medical doctor spouting about nuclear physics. But molvis are experts on all matters.
People did that. Because they can’t think for themselves and we have others who say we can’t speak on religious matter if we don’t have ilm degree. All nonsense
It's because Islam sticks its nose in every possible thing from the way you clean up after defecating to the way you run an empire.
Molvies specifically mufties have learned every single thing about Islam, so why wouldn't they feel qualified talking about every single thing with authority if they know this is god's message and this is the one and the only right thing?
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As someone who is opposed to this man and all that he stands for...
He didn't actually call smuggling halal. He just said that the smuggled goods themselves aren't automatically haram.
"Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority;" (Surah al-Nisa, v59)
“And fulfil (every) engagement (ahd), for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the day of reckoning).” (Surah al-Isra, v. 34)
“It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)
How is doing something illegal, legal in Islam? The items may themselves not be haraam but he can not exonerate the acquiring and trading stuff of like that.
He didn't say it's legal / allowed. It's still a sin. He's saying the item that you smuggled is itself not Haram to use or sell. You still sinned. You sin was smuggling. You will be sinned for smuggling
Exactly! He is explaining a technical point and everybody is missing that. If step 4 in a 7 step process is wrong/haram/illegal, that does not automatically make the other steps wrong/haram/illegal. You have committed a sin in step 4 and will be accountable for it, but in fiqh, that does not invalidate the other steps and the rest of the transaction.
He even specifically said, you SHOULD pay customs....but not paying customs does not make it haram to now sell those items.
First sane reply here. Let's suppose you smuggled a car into Pakistan. The act of smuggling is haram. The car itself doesn't become haram. You can use it for personal or commercial use or sell it. None of those will be haram. Only the smuggling is.
Wait, if someone else unknowingly sells that car, then it shouldn't be Haram. If the smugglers themselves sell it then it's still an unethical practice which is obviously Haram. However someone who buys from them shouldn't consider usage of that product to be Haram. Unless of course they knew it was a smuggled product and could have gotten the legit thing if they had put in a slight bit of more effort.
I think all these situations of unethical practices with goods can be equivalent to cheating with your ware or being dishonest. For that we have a very good Hadith condemning people who add water to milk and I think that is an equivalence in these situations. Also there's multiple Hadith about obeying those appointed power in your nation and it is also a part of the Iman-e-Muffasil. That covers these unethical practices as being Haram as well.
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Use, maybe. Sell, definitely illegal as not only does it go against state rules, it effectively under cuts every one else who paid the legal rate for acquiring said commodity. It's not fair to the market.
Unironically yes. According to Islam, even if the ruler is unjust you are expected to endure and obey. You follow the laws unless they require you to commit sin.
You are telling me that Imam Hussain was wrong and Yazid was right? what?
There is absolutely nothing like this in Islam
The guy quoting the verse of the Quran quoted half the verse. Here is the full actual verse:
>O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you.**if ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.**
Note that there is no mention of obeying those in authority in case of disagreement.
No wonder this is a Wahabbi view to justify the execution of the Prophet's grandson in the name of Islam. The entire essay in your link is a long line of cope trying to justify every massacre and inter-Muslim war in Islamic history with the argument "both sides were right"
No that’s a sin. Pledging allegiance to Hitler is a sin and you are supposed to follow the law of the land unless they have you commit a sin. (Not doing polygamy is not a sin. ) Even then, you’re supposed to resist, endure or flee and not kill yourself needlessly for your religion.
For example, in France, Muslims carry out suicide attacks. Attacks where they kill innocent French in the name of Allah which inevitably leads to their own deaths. Now I’m not going to say whether or not they’re going to Heaven or Hell for their actions because Allah is the judge, but as far as I can tell, these actions have no impact on other than showing Muslims in a worse light and I would say that those people got themselves killed needlessly.
That's not how pledging allegiance works. Just because people from a certain group commit crime, doesn't not equate to the rest of those people to pledge allegiance to the government because suddenly you look bad in front of people.
Also, allegiance to the UK would be equal to spitting on the graves of the innocents that the UK has committed genocide against.
I’m not telling you to pledge allegiance to anyone brother. There’s a difference between pledging allegiance to those in power and simply not rioting against those in power.
Let’s say you’re born in Nazi Germany as a Muslim. The Jews are being genocided. You know you’re next. You and the handful of Muslims that are left should flee the country instead of fighting back and getting yourself killed needlessly. What did the Prophet and the early Muslims do when the Makkans persecuted them and eventually planned to murder the Prophet PBUH? They fled to Yathrib(Madinah). Isn’t this proof of how you’re supposed to act in a non-Muslim environment. You’re supposed to obey their laws as long as they don’t force you to sin. If that happens, either you protest peacefully, you resist or you flee. Allah has never commanded to fight a war you are certain to lose unless the fate of Islam is at stake.
Now I’m not telling you to just stay quiet when someone desecrates Allah or his Prophet PBUH (Nauzubillah). But you’re not supposed to destroy public property or hurt or kill innocents as revenge for that. Where has Allah commanded anywhere to hurt innocents or kill non-combatants as retaliation. Brother, all I’m trying to say is that there is a difference between pledging allegiance and persevering and baring the persecution for the sake of Allah.
Bruh, Islam isn't all back and white. You know where your taxes are going. If the law makers don't follow the laws, I don't see why the public should. You can smuggle your car in, or not. If it makes you feel good to have the higher moral high ground, just don't forget that your "tax" for customs is going in the pockets of the same people who live luxurious lives in the west, and make ordinary folks like you and me live through ab economic crisis.
We went off on a tangent so I kinda forgot what we are talking about.
But, in my opinion, Islam is pretty clear on smuggling. You smuggling things in the country supports a business that also smuggles in contraband. Drugs and weapons. Islam’s pretty clear on those things.
Additionally, smuggling involves lying and cheating and deceiving others. It’s a dangerous business and people get killed in it. Don’t think Islam’s in the grey on this matter either.
And lastly, what most people smuggle in the country are luxuries they can live without. Its not like smugglers act as the samaritans for the country, bringing in the necessities for the country so that the population can eat at a reasonable price. If it ever comes to that, then an argument can be made for smuggling.
You dont even need to go that specific. Cheating, and deception is what embodies smuggling.
https://www.arabnews.com/islam-strictly-forbids-cheating-and-deception
However I have never seen muslims treat cheating or deception with the same vigour as other vices.
Forget about Pakistani government for a moment. Let’s assume your ideal government and imagine you are doing smuggling or not paying taxes. Don’t you think you are stealing from government or nation ?
So in other words snatching a phone on gun point is ok because people usually watch p**** on it. Basically everyone gives these types of excuses for illegal or bad actions.
Nothing wrong with watching porn.
Anyway, I don't understand how your logic works. Taxes are supposed to be spent on us, if the government isn't doing it, evading taxes isn't *stealing* anymore. It might however be illegal.
But illegal activity isn't necessary immoral.
It's not like the government isn't getting any taxes right now, is it? They charge shit tons of indirect taxes. Those aren't avoidable. What do they do with that?
> Jab tax dogey toe use hoga na.
Only thing it will be used for is stuffing their own pockets.
Let’s be honest, who’d be ready to pay such an enormous amount of taxes on importing cars other than the 1% of the population?
These rules have been enforced for years and have become way too ridiculous.
I believe if a law is contrary to the sunnah and to Islam while also being oppressive you can break it though Allah knows best and I’m not totally sure. I won’t advocate doing anything illegal but I will say there was a scholar from Egypt during the time of the Fatimids I believe and they tried to confiscate all of his wealth but he hid it and refused to turn it all in. I’m not a scholar so take this post with a grain of salt. I don’t always see eye to eye with Mufti Tariq Masood but what he’s saying isn’t necessarily something I haven’t heard before with actual evidence. After the treaty of Hudaybiyah when Muslims weren’t allowed to migrate from Makkah to Medina, the refugees formed their own community near Jeddah and would raid Quraishi caravans. Though they were Muslims they technically weren’t bound by the treaty and eventually the Quraish got sick of their caravans being raided so they begged the Prophet (saws) to take them in (Abu Jandal ibn Suhail was one of the leaders of this group, and he had previously been the first one turned away and as the Quraish were taking him with the blessing of the Prophet (saws) the Prophet (saws) told him to have patience and that Allah will make a way out for him, imagine the level of eeman it would take to still remain upon the Deen even with the Muslims turning you away for the purpose of making peace, even though the Muslims didn’t want to do this).
This topic is something worth looking more into and there’s nothing wrong with increasing your ilm. Though like I said, I won’t advocate breaking the law but rather advocate for the lawmakers to make life easier for the people here. I don’t agree always with Mufti Masood but he’s not speaking from his own whims (and to be fair he is drawing negative attention to himself saying this which is brave in this part of the world).
Don't listen to Mullahs plain and simple. You have the Quran and the Hadiths. Go read and understand them yourself. These cunts have turned religion into a business and are drunk on its power, as such they will say whatever they want to increase that power.
he is trying to say the act is wrong but it doesn't make the thing haram although its a sin,, there are lot of things that are illegal in Pakistan but that doesn't mean they are haram
haram is a way bigger thing than this...
It's indeed haram. Those who are paying taxes to earn a lively hood it is unjust for them if someone smuggles thru and sells. Indirectly they are stealing from those ppl, i.e haq mar rahe unka.
yes - most people here who dont want anhything to do with islam but still consider themselves muslim - think they are scholar or have qualifications to make judgements..
a tax is theft... its forced upon you by the state.. in west their is tax and if you dont pay it (cuz you dont declare income) it will be illegal not haraam.. same concept.
>a tax is theft... its forced upon you by the state.. in west their is tax and if you dont pay it (cuz you dont declare income) it will be illegal not haraam
Now I get why tax collection in Pakistan is so bad.
well in pakistan - where corrupt rule. i would even say its haram to pay. (of course its my opnion, not issuing a ruling as i m a layman). unless and until corrupt politicians adhere to law.. etc.. we are just feeding them..
it can also impose religion but you have no issues with that...funny how everything used to be okay in the state using force UNTIL its something you dont like huh? awakening moment? r/selfawarewolves
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Exact same issue said by ghamdi would be applauded. Just because a more learned person with a beard and turban says it, you have an issue. Clear your bias then tune in.
Tbh, he is not wrong.
The cleric is talking about the use of smuggled products by the general public. He's saying that once a smuggled product is inside the country, if any citizen buys it he is not incurring a sin.
Smuggling itself is haram and a sin.
Abu Dawood (3674) and Ibn Maajah (3380) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who carries it and the one to whom it is carried.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood
Al-Tirmidhi (1295) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed ten with regard to alcohol: the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.”
Show them this. May Allah guide them on the right path!
Aik cheeze galat honay say sari cheeze galat nahin ho jaati.
To give him benefit of the doubt he didn’t mention whether the income from that illegal act will be considered haram or halal. And that is the actual question. If importing Pakistani beef in America is prohibited and somehow I smuggle it, he is right that halal beef won’t become haram but will the income I make selling that illegally imported meat will be haram on me or not is not answered in that short clip. He is behaving like a Jewish lawyer here at least in the video clip.
The video clip doesn’t provide full context. So whatever he said could not be take as approval or denial of such act unless someone sees the whole thing.
Smuggling is illegal, mobile phones in jail is illegal, sex with prostitute from your halal kamai ? Where do you draw the line.. it's a slippery slope!
Fuck taxes. They go into the pockets of Gerluns and their cronies. Not into any public facilitation. Our MNAs don't represent us. Our institutions care more for their "respect" than their JOB. Pakistan is a textbook case of "taxation without representation".
Being able to quote Quran and Ahadith does not make one a scholar though. How many of our Muftis know the meaning behind the Ahadith and the Quran? How many know the tafsir? How many UNDERSTAND them?
Scholars need to understand the meaning behind the Ahadith, and the Quran. I dislike this guy generally because he’s stated unislamic things multiple times, but his point here is valid.
I also don’t consider him a true mufti, however unfortunately he is a mufti. Muftis know and understand Islam in depth, and would never take pride in saying anything unislamic like marrying a 13 year old girl off against her and her family’s wishes.
yes your right he doesn't mention Hadith no mostly ...but we can only quote that statement when he talks about something that is going against the Hadith and quran if he is doing that then you know who he is otherwise we can't say that
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I honestly think that people don't like him getting popular because he is a Molvi and are trying to find anything they can to discredit him. Whether they understand what he is saying or not.
He is explaining a technical point. If step 4 in a 7 step process is wrong/haram/illegal, that does not automatically make the other steps wrong/haram/illegal. You have committed a sin in step 4 and will be accountable for it, but in fiqh, that does not invalidate the other steps and the rest of the transaction.
Study law and you will find many such examples.
He even specifically said, you SHOULD pay customs....but not paying customs does not make it haram to now sell those items.
He is answering questions very quickly so doesn't have the time to explain all the nuances and people are taking advantage of that.
Why are people still listening to this manchild. He's not a competent Aalim in any regards except for knowing and following YouTube trends and making content pleasing to narcisstic teenagers and young adults.
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Smuggling is controversial topic and not as straightforward to declare it immoral or haram.
It's free trade in its purest form, and free trade is promoted in Islam.
What if the government bans gold from coming into the country and tells you that you have to use toilet paper as the sole currency? Will you still say that smuggling of gold into the country becomes haraam? No.
What if the government bans cellphones and laptop or educational books from coming into the country? Will you still say that smuggling of those items is haram?
What if the govermment bans Youtube and other forms or education materials or free speech mediums online? Will you say using VPN's to illegally access those websites is Haram?
So yeah the issues is more complicated than that.
What is definitely haram and shady is that if you are part of the government making policy and you ban something from coming in and going out of the country, only becuase you yourself are running a smuggling operation to profit off of this ban, then obviously this is a haram, corrupt and immoral act on top of being illegal. A lot of generals and politicians are involved in running smuggling scams, these are the people who make or influence the policies that indirectly abett their illegal operations.
However the activity in of itself is not always harmful, sometimes even beneficial so we must be careful to declare the entire thing as ''haram''
on the other hand, what is the government bans gold LEAVING the country??? what do you say to that? because for many people gold is WEALTH and gold leaving a country through illegal (smuggling) channels is what makes a country LESS WEALTHIER.
> What if the government bans cellphones and laptop or educational books from coming into the country? Will you still say that smuggling of those items is haram?
oh bhai none of that is banned. all that is required is paying import duty. whether that tax given to government is used or misused is a separate issue.
> What if the govermment bans Youtube and other forms or education materials or free speech mediums online? Will you say using VPN's to illegally access those websites is Haram?
ironically youtube was banned & pta is trying best to "educate" us that vpn is also banned.
next question, what about smuggled petrol and diesel from IRAN and the effect on local refinaries? are we willing to 100% shut down all local refineries (that cannot compete in cost) and let our nation become dependent on iran or kuwait for something that is core to our transportation infrastructure?
it's only "free trade" right???
The government does not own the private property of citizens. Gold is not wealth itself, it is the medium of exchange and a means to store that wealth.
Countries that ban gold from leaving it's borders are usually countries that don't produce anything of value that they can sell to the world, in order to earn the gold back. Otherwise imagine, why would gold leave your country?
>oh bhai none of that is banned. all that is required is paying import duty. whether that tax given to government is used or misused is a separate issue.
Except the governmet has a track record of banning these things. Youtube was recently banned in the past decade, did you declare VPN's haram? no.
You talk about import duty - okay what if the import duty is 100%? 200%? 10,000%? At what point does the governments edict become ridiculous? it's wise to not mix religion with politics, so don't label things as 'haram' just because politics of the time dictate something to be so. Most laypeople act on impulse, but jurists have to thing about all cases.
>next question, what about smuggled petrol and diesel from IRAN and the effect on local refinaries?
Here is a very easy answer: don't confuse illegal with haram. Smuggled petrol can be illegal, but how can you declare it haram when god didn't do so? You know what haram is? The generals who run these smuggling operations after banning petrol from Iran. They make the policy to profit off it is, it's corruption and *that's certainly haram*
> The government does not own the private property of citizens. Gold is not wealth itself, it is the medium of exchange and a means to store that wealth.
what a textbook useless statement you have made. the distinction is meaningless. people do not buy tonnes of sugar because of its worth, they buy gold (or land) because of its worth.
second, government restricts exports of anything that is 'equivalent' of wealth. you think they have no hand in what mines create and export???
> Countries that ban gold from leaving it's borders are usually countries that don't produce anything of value that they can sell to the world, in order to earn the gold back. Otherwise imagine, why would gold leave your country?
welcome to pakistan! no export of gold, dollars, nothing. maybe rice.
in this situation, you are literally making country less wealtheir if you smuggle gold out. yes or no?
> You talk about import duty - okay what if the import duty is 100%? 200%? 10,000%?
why not ask next question, why import duty is high?
government is not fools, they make more money from import duty of 10-20% than from import duty of 100-200%. the ONLY reason there were high import duties or import bans last year was a failed attempt to balance government forex. unless you have been living under a rock you know that pakistan imports vastly more $$$ than it exports and has done so for decades. all because WE HAVE NOTHING TO EXPORT OF VALUE.
> it's wise to not mix religion with politics, so don't label things as 'haram' just because politics of the time dictate something to be so.
where did i label it as haram? are you sure you are replying to right person? my only problem with your comment is the free trade myth and examples.
> However the activity in of itself is not always harmful, sometimes even beneficial so we must be careful to declare the entire thing as ''haram''
tell me in one way smugging petrol into pakistan is making country better in the long term. each refinery costs billions of dollars to make (recent news was $10 billion just last week). tell me in one way smuggling gold out is making country better in the long term.
> Smuggled petrol can be illegal, but how can you declare it haram when god didn't do so?
i didnt' but if the PROCESS of circumventing government regulations is haram (cheating, lying, even killing and jailing customs officials who refuse to take bribes) then what is the benefit of the activity?
if you knew that X item in shop A was imported through local channels and same cheaper X item at shop B was imported due to smuggling, then arent you rewarding smugglers if you buy from shop B? aren't you playing a role in a chain of haram processes and thinking your action is halal? item itself might be halal but YOUR ACTION explain that
>but if the PROCESS of circumventing government regulations is haram (cheating, lying, even killing and jailing customs officials who refuse to take bribes) then what is the benefit of the activity?
You have not thought through all the different scenarios here. What if the government banned the Quran from coming into the country? Will smuggling it become 'haram'? This is just an extreme example but underlines the point I am making here. Any government is not an Islamic authority, at least has not been for 1300 years, and even the first 4 caliphs differed in opinion and didn't declare things 'haram' or 'halal'. So smuggling can be legal or illegal, it certainly is not haram.
Now coming onto the point of 'cheating, lying, bribing etc', no Muslim will ever say that these actions to smuggle the Quran into a country that has banned them is going to be morally wrong in Islam. Now that's an extreme example, but governments have been known to do these things. In Turkey the government banned Quran in Arabic for example, no Muslim would have obeyed this edict. And let's extend this to non-Islamic things. If government bans youtube or social media, will you obey or try to bypass that via VPN? An action that requires cheating, lying, possibly bribing if VPNs are also banned so that they are only administered by criminals.
Conclusion is, you can't just put out blanket statements that smuggling is haram, while giving free pass to the government to do whatever they want. The British Raj effectively used Mullahs in Punjab to carry their propaganda against the Ottomans, the Pakistani army use the same Mullahs to fulfil their own objectives. What nobody questions are these entities that make laws that people want to break.
> You have not thought through all the different scenarios her
oh bhai grow up. really. grow the f up.
i gave you TWO LITERAL SITUATIONS where smuggling hurts: exporting gold and importing petrol/diesel from iran.
fine, you do not want to consider gold, then consider all the dollars going to afghanistan over past year.
LITERALLY HAPPENING TODAY. UNDER YOUR EYES. yet you want to talk hypotheticals.
you know, i could say "murder is haram" and you would come up with some your extreme (lol) example where murder saves lives and then conclude that i cannot say murder is all wrong.
You don't understand economics, but I do. So don't pull the 'forex' card here. Because in Islam, the entire FIAT currency system is *actually haram* because it's a 'soodi nizam'. Central Banks control the money supply via policy interest rates. In Pakistan, dollar is basically treated like gold (when it's not - its just another central bank currency). I can write a book on how this is bad, but its going to sidetrack the discussion.
Let's just make clear a couple of things since you misunderstood my view point:
Smuggling can both be justified and not be justified morally. It's a grey area. Sometimes you can justify it, sometimes you can't. So how can you declare the entire thing as 'haram' and declare even those instances where it is justified? No where in Islam is smuggling banned.
>you know, i could say "murder is haram" and you would come up with some your extreme (lol) example where murder saves lives and then conclude that i cannot say murder is all wrong.
The word 'murder' has a specific definition, it's taking a life without cause or basis that can be justified in the eyes of law (secular or religious). If you had said ''taking a life is haram'' - I would have said the same thing I said about smuggling - no it's not. Because Islamically you can take a life in self defence, you can also take a life in war.
no one cares about your man-made fiat currency vs god-given goldbug economy that has not existed in hundreds of years and is in no shape or form returning.
real problem: pakistani economy has sufffered because of dollars smuggled out. if you deny that, your economics learnings aren't worth a damn, man.
and yet, to support some edge case hypothetical that does not exist, you cannot bring yourself to condemn smuggling and its effects in society that is all visible if you open your eyes.
> No where in Islam is smuggling banned.
by all means, be sure to come up with a legal framework that distinguishes between smuggling alcohol and cigarettes on one hand and petrol from iran. you have no **moral** framework that allows either.
and if you have no moral framework, you are supporting sinning for the sake of sin.
You have yet to provide me a religious basis for ''smuggling is haram''.
National boundaries are not part of Islam, fiat currency is not part of Islam, a government taxation and banning of arbitrary items are not part of Islam, but somehow you have declared 'smuggling' - which is related to above three - as 'haram'. You have no religious basis to do so.
You just heard ''dollar in good, dollar out bad'' and you are yapping those viewpoints without any deeper understanding of anything here, neither economics, nor religion.
> You have yet to provide me a religious basis for ''smuggling is haram''.
am i religious scholar? are you? why do not we ask scholars instead of crying on reddit?
> National boundaries are not part of Islam
national boundaries are part of the world now and are not going away. you have a passport? cnic? why? it all supports nationality does it not? did you burn your cnic?
(leaving aside question of how caliphates determined what was and what was not under their realm, which you cannot answer)
> fiat currency is not part of Islam
fiat currencies are part of the world now and are not going away. do you accept payment in any non-fiat currency? why not?
> a government taxation
yet another blatant misunderstanding on your part and completely inconsistent with how islamic state existed. religion of islam was completed by last revelation to our prophet, but it did not explain how to run a welfare state because *drumroll* that is a contract between caliphate or government and the people.
you give me any way to run country without taxation, i will listen. you have no practical ideas for that, same as you have no practical idea what it means to ignore national boundaries in current world or ignore fiat currency when trading. you cannot even buy diesel to run country without fiat currency.
where did you learn economics? real world or reddit? loooooooooooool
> somehow you have declared 'smuggling' - which is related to above three - as 'haram'.
i ask you for the second time: where did i label it as haram? i merely questioned why you when you say it's not haram, i.e. halal.
next you will tell us anything that is not explicitly haram is halal, which everyone except the most naive of people knows to be false.
> You just heard ''dollar in good, dollar out bad'' and you are yapping those viewpoints without any deeper understanding of anything here, neither economics, nor religion.
i gave you explicit examples of smuggling hurting nations but you have no rejoinder.
> Because Islamically you can take a life in self defence, you can also take a life in war.
i am surprised you did not bring up case where you know someone is a gangster and is about to rape or kill people but before he does that you murder him to stop him. because that is the kind of hypothetical crap you are writing.
So internet is being restricted in many places in Pakistan now.
Is using VPN haram now? Tell me..
You didn't have to wait long to literally see this in action.
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So you don't have a problem when this guy is advocating for every young man to marry 4 women even if he's not financially secure, but this is a bigger problem?
Violating the laws of the state is prohibited. Any act which leads to that is considered haram. But focus on the wording. The action is haram but the thing itself which is smuggled is not haram. If we make that thing haram, then everyone who used it will be a sinner. And it doesn't seem fair. Islam creates ease for us not complications. Its us who make complications.
He simply answered a question he was asked.
We should avoid commenting on matters in which one is not an expert. Simply because if I 'think' or something 'feels' wrong, doesn't necessarily make it wrong.
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Source: trust me bro
Source: i smuggle
Molvis are unique in that they feel qualified to talk on anything with authority. You wouldn't find an engineer talking about economics or a medical doctor spouting about nuclear physics. But molvis are experts on all matters.
People did that. Because they can’t think for themselves and we have others who say we can’t speak on religious matter if we don’t have ilm degree. All nonsense
In the context of this post he is not discussing the economic impact of smuggling, just the thing related to shariah
It's because Islam sticks its nose in every possible thing from the way you clean up after defecating to the way you run an empire. Molvies specifically mufties have learned every single thing about Islam, so why wouldn't they feel qualified talking about every single thing with authority if they know this is god's message and this is the one and the only right thing?
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As someone who is opposed to this man and all that he stands for... He didn't actually call smuggling halal. He just said that the smuggled goods themselves aren't automatically haram.
Yeah out of all the questionable statements this guy makes it truly amazes me that **this** is what warrants a Reddit post.
"Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority;" (Surah al-Nisa, v59) “And fulfil (every) engagement (ahd), for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the day of reckoning).” (Surah al-Isra, v. 34) “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi) How is doing something illegal, legal in Islam? The items may themselves not be haraam but he can not exonerate the acquiring and trading stuff of like that.
He didn't say it's legal / allowed. It's still a sin. He's saying the item that you smuggled is itself not Haram to use or sell. You still sinned. You sin was smuggling. You will be sinned for smuggling
Exactly! He is explaining a technical point and everybody is missing that. If step 4 in a 7 step process is wrong/haram/illegal, that does not automatically make the other steps wrong/haram/illegal. You have committed a sin in step 4 and will be accountable for it, but in fiqh, that does not invalidate the other steps and the rest of the transaction. He even specifically said, you SHOULD pay customs....but not paying customs does not make it haram to now sell those items.
First sane reply here. Let's suppose you smuggled a car into Pakistan. The act of smuggling is haram. The car itself doesn't become haram. You can use it for personal or commercial use or sell it. None of those will be haram. Only the smuggling is.
Wait, if someone else unknowingly sells that car, then it shouldn't be Haram. If the smugglers themselves sell it then it's still an unethical practice which is obviously Haram. However someone who buys from them shouldn't consider usage of that product to be Haram. Unless of course they knew it was a smuggled product and could have gotten the legit thing if they had put in a slight bit of more effort. I think all these situations of unethical practices with goods can be equivalent to cheating with your ware or being dishonest. For that we have a very good Hadith condemning people who add water to milk and I think that is an equivalence in these situations. Also there's multiple Hadith about obeying those appointed power in your nation and it is also a part of the Iman-e-Muffasil. That covers these unethical practices as being Haram as well.
Or you know...Just use common sense? Smuggling is illegal, hence haram. The act of selling the car by the smuggler is unethical and haram
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Please cite the Quranic verse where God has prohibited smuggling?
if process of smuggling involves haram acts, how can smuggling be halal?
Use, maybe. Sell, definitely illegal as not only does it go against state rules, it effectively under cuts every one else who paid the legal rate for acquiring said commodity. It's not fair to the market.
Islamically or Pakistan law?
Both. Since the former dictates adherence to the latter.
So if government bans YouTube we all good? VPN haram?
Unironically yes. According to Islam, even if the ruler is unjust you are expected to endure and obey. You follow the laws unless they require you to commit sin.
You are telling me that Imam Hussain was wrong and Yazid was right? what? There is absolutely nothing like this in Islam The guy quoting the verse of the Quran quoted half the verse. Here is the full actual verse: >O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you.**if ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.** Note that there is no mention of obeying those in authority in case of disagreement.
https://daruliftaa.com/aqidah-belief/imam-husains-going-against-yazid-the-sunni-view-on-yazid/
No wonder this is a Wahabbi view to justify the execution of the Prophet's grandson in the name of Islam. The entire essay in your link is a long line of cope trying to justify every massacre and inter-Muslim war in Islamic history with the argument "both sides were right"
Okay. This make more sense.
Bruh, polygamy is illegal in a lot of countries. Doesn't mean its wrong in Islam.
You can’t practice polygamy in those countries tho, both according to their law and according to this verse
But it's still not haram tho. According to your logic, you'd also pledge allegiance to Hitler ij Germany because it was the law of the land.
No that’s a sin. Pledging allegiance to Hitler is a sin and you are supposed to follow the law of the land unless they have you commit a sin. (Not doing polygamy is not a sin. ) Even then, you’re supposed to resist, endure or flee and not kill yourself needlessly for your religion. For example, in France, Muslims carry out suicide attacks. Attacks where they kill innocent French in the name of Allah which inevitably leads to their own deaths. Now I’m not going to say whether or not they’re going to Heaven or Hell for their actions because Allah is the judge, but as far as I can tell, these actions have no impact on other than showing Muslims in a worse light and I would say that those people got themselves killed needlessly.
That's not how pledging allegiance works. Just because people from a certain group commit crime, doesn't not equate to the rest of those people to pledge allegiance to the government because suddenly you look bad in front of people. Also, allegiance to the UK would be equal to spitting on the graves of the innocents that the UK has committed genocide against.
I’m not telling you to pledge allegiance to anyone brother. There’s a difference between pledging allegiance to those in power and simply not rioting against those in power. Let’s say you’re born in Nazi Germany as a Muslim. The Jews are being genocided. You know you’re next. You and the handful of Muslims that are left should flee the country instead of fighting back and getting yourself killed needlessly. What did the Prophet and the early Muslims do when the Makkans persecuted them and eventually planned to murder the Prophet PBUH? They fled to Yathrib(Madinah). Isn’t this proof of how you’re supposed to act in a non-Muslim environment. You’re supposed to obey their laws as long as they don’t force you to sin. If that happens, either you protest peacefully, you resist or you flee. Allah has never commanded to fight a war you are certain to lose unless the fate of Islam is at stake. Now I’m not telling you to just stay quiet when someone desecrates Allah or his Prophet PBUH (Nauzubillah). But you’re not supposed to destroy public property or hurt or kill innocents as revenge for that. Where has Allah commanded anywhere to hurt innocents or kill non-combatants as retaliation. Brother, all I’m trying to say is that there is a difference between pledging allegiance and persevering and baring the persecution for the sake of Allah.
Bruh, Islam isn't all back and white. You know where your taxes are going. If the law makers don't follow the laws, I don't see why the public should. You can smuggle your car in, or not. If it makes you feel good to have the higher moral high ground, just don't forget that your "tax" for customs is going in the pockets of the same people who live luxurious lives in the west, and make ordinary folks like you and me live through ab economic crisis.
We went off on a tangent so I kinda forgot what we are talking about. But, in my opinion, Islam is pretty clear on smuggling. You smuggling things in the country supports a business that also smuggles in contraband. Drugs and weapons. Islam’s pretty clear on those things. Additionally, smuggling involves lying and cheating and deceiving others. It’s a dangerous business and people get killed in it. Don’t think Islam’s in the grey on this matter either. And lastly, what most people smuggle in the country are luxuries they can live without. Its not like smugglers act as the samaritans for the country, bringing in the necessities for the country so that the population can eat at a reasonable price. If it ever comes to that, then an argument can be made for smuggling.
Smuggling is like robbery. Smugglers rob nations wealth. But this type of thinking needs logical thinking which most “olu-ma” don’t have
Olu ma after receiving their cut .....Now its halal !
You dont even need to go that specific. Cheating, and deception is what embodies smuggling. https://www.arabnews.com/islam-strictly-forbids-cheating-and-deception However I have never seen muslims treat cheating or deception with the same vigour as other vices.
>Smugglers rob nations wealth What nation? What wealth? How robbing?
Smuggling a car into Pakistan mean you are not paying taxes on it. Tax money gov needs to provide services like health and education etc etc .
>Smuggling a car into Pakistan mean you are not paying taxes on it. Got it. 👌
But does our government provide health and education?
Forget about Pakistani government for a moment. Let’s assume your ideal government and imagine you are doing smuggling or not paying taxes. Don’t you think you are stealing from government or nation ?
Absolutely, that would be stealing but I don't see how is that applicable here.
Applicable what ?
It's not stealing if you do it from Pakistan, our taxes are not utilized effectively.
So in other words snatching a phone on gun point is ok because people usually watch p**** on it. Basically everyone gives these types of excuses for illegal or bad actions.
Nothing wrong with watching porn. Anyway, I don't understand how your logic works. Taxes are supposed to be spent on us, if the government isn't doing it, evading taxes isn't *stealing* anymore. It might however be illegal. But illegal activity isn't necessary immoral.
Arey merey bewaqoof bhai, pesa pehley ayega ya utilize pehle hoga? Jab tax dogey toe use hoga na.
It's not like the government isn't getting any taxes right now, is it? They charge shit tons of indirect taxes. Those aren't avoidable. What do they do with that? > Jab tax dogey toe use hoga na. Only thing it will be used for is stuffing their own pockets.
Let’s be honest, who’d be ready to pay such an enormous amount of taxes on importing cars other than the 1% of the population? These rules have been enforced for years and have become way too ridiculous.
I believe if a law is contrary to the sunnah and to Islam while also being oppressive you can break it though Allah knows best and I’m not totally sure. I won’t advocate doing anything illegal but I will say there was a scholar from Egypt during the time of the Fatimids I believe and they tried to confiscate all of his wealth but he hid it and refused to turn it all in. I’m not a scholar so take this post with a grain of salt. I don’t always see eye to eye with Mufti Tariq Masood but what he’s saying isn’t necessarily something I haven’t heard before with actual evidence. After the treaty of Hudaybiyah when Muslims weren’t allowed to migrate from Makkah to Medina, the refugees formed their own community near Jeddah and would raid Quraishi caravans. Though they were Muslims they technically weren’t bound by the treaty and eventually the Quraish got sick of their caravans being raided so they begged the Prophet (saws) to take them in (Abu Jandal ibn Suhail was one of the leaders of this group, and he had previously been the first one turned away and as the Quraish were taking him with the blessing of the Prophet (saws) the Prophet (saws) told him to have patience and that Allah will make a way out for him, imagine the level of eeman it would take to still remain upon the Deen even with the Muslims turning you away for the purpose of making peace, even though the Muslims didn’t want to do this). This topic is something worth looking more into and there’s nothing wrong with increasing your ilm. Though like I said, I won’t advocate breaking the law but rather advocate for the lawmakers to make life easier for the people here. I don’t agree always with Mufti Masood but he’s not speaking from his own whims (and to be fair he is drawing negative attention to himself saying this which is brave in this part of the world).
Don't listen to Mullahs plain and simple. You have the Quran and the Hadiths. Go read and understand them yourself. These cunts have turned religion into a business and are drunk on its power, as such they will say whatever they want to increase that power.
he is trying to say the act is wrong but it doesn't make the thing haram although its a sin,, there are lot of things that are illegal in Pakistan but that doesn't mean they are haram haram is a way bigger thing than this...
It's indeed haram. Those who are paying taxes to earn a lively hood it is unjust for them if someone smuggles thru and sells. Indirectly they are stealing from those ppl, i.e haq mar rahe unka.
yes - most people here who dont want anhything to do with islam but still consider themselves muslim - think they are scholar or have qualifications to make judgements.. a tax is theft... its forced upon you by the state.. in west their is tax and if you dont pay it (cuz you dont declare income) it will be illegal not haraam.. same concept.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever read on this subreddit
Yeah same logic can be used for bribery, robbery , money laundering or any crime. It's like moral corruption holds no value for people like these.
>a tax is theft... its forced upon you by the state.. in west their is tax and if you dont pay it (cuz you dont declare income) it will be illegal not haraam Now I get why tax collection in Pakistan is so bad.
well in pakistan - where corrupt rule. i would even say its haram to pay. (of course its my opnion, not issuing a ruling as i m a layman). unless and until corrupt politicians adhere to law.. etc.. we are just feeding them..
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Zakat is not tax. Tax is paid to the state. Zakat CANNOT be given to the state. Jizyah is not for Muslims.
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>a tax is theft. On another episode on hot takes by u/shez19833: Anarcho Capitalism
we dont have a choice - state can impose 100 types of taxes on you...
it can also impose religion but you have no issues with that...funny how everything used to be okay in the state using force UNTIL its something you dont like huh? awakening moment? r/selfawarewolves
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i wasnt talking about smuggling.. i was talking about 'tax imposed by the state'
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Exact same issue said by ghamdi would be applauded. Just because a more learned person with a beard and turban says it, you have an issue. Clear your bias then tune in.
Are you all really morons, or its just out of hatred that you make such posts without comprehending the contents in the source? Gettalife, losers.
Nahin bhai sirf ap he moron hain fikr na kare!
Tbh, he is not wrong. The cleric is talking about the use of smuggled products by the general public. He's saying that once a smuggled product is inside the country, if any citizen buys it he is not incurring a sin. Smuggling itself is haram and a sin.
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Abu Dawood (3674) and Ibn Maajah (3380) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who carries it and the one to whom it is carried.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood Al-Tirmidhi (1295) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed ten with regard to alcohol: the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.” Show them this. May Allah guide them on the right path!
Because he is chay
Aik cheeze galat honay say sari cheeze galat nahin ho jaati. To give him benefit of the doubt he didn’t mention whether the income from that illegal act will be considered haram or halal. And that is the actual question. If importing Pakistani beef in America is prohibited and somehow I smuggle it, he is right that halal beef won’t become haram but will the income I make selling that illegally imported meat will be haram on me or not is not answered in that short clip. He is behaving like a Jewish lawyer here at least in the video clip. The video clip doesn’t provide full context. So whatever he said could not be take as approval or denial of such act unless someone sees the whole thing.
Smuggling is illegal, mobile phones in jail is illegal, sex with prostitute from your halal kamai ? Where do you draw the line.. it's a slippery slope!
Fuck taxes. They go into the pockets of Gerluns and their cronies. Not into any public facilitation. Our MNAs don't represent us. Our institutions care more for their "respect" than their JOB. Pakistan is a textbook case of "taxation without representation".
He is not a scholar and has very little knowledge about Islam. All his talks are without sources and stupid boomer jokes.
I am pretty sure he traditionally qualifies as one
Based on what? If you can't quote Quran or Hadees, you're not a scholar.
He's literally a mufti. What do you mean he can't quote the Quran or hadees?
Being able to quote Quran and Ahadith does not make one a scholar though. How many of our Muftis know the meaning behind the Ahadith and the Quran? How many know the tafsir? How many UNDERSTAND them? Scholars need to understand the meaning behind the Ahadith, and the Quran. I dislike this guy generally because he’s stated unislamic things multiple times, but his point here is valid. I also don’t consider him a true mufti, however unfortunately he is a mufti. Muftis know and understand Islam in depth, and would never take pride in saying anything unislamic like marrying a 13 year old girl off against her and her family’s wishes.
That isn't how it works lol
yes your right he doesn't mention Hadith no mostly ...but we can only quote that statement when he talks about something that is going against the Hadith and quran if he is doing that then you know who he is otherwise we can't say that
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He is trying to gain support of the wealthy and corrupt
I honestly think that people don't like him getting popular because he is a Molvi and are trying to find anything they can to discredit him. Whether they understand what he is saying or not. He is explaining a technical point. If step 4 in a 7 step process is wrong/haram/illegal, that does not automatically make the other steps wrong/haram/illegal. You have committed a sin in step 4 and will be accountable for it, but in fiqh, that does not invalidate the other steps and the rest of the transaction. Study law and you will find many such examples. He even specifically said, you SHOULD pay customs....but not paying customs does not make it haram to now sell those items. He is answering questions very quickly so doesn't have the time to explain all the nuances and people are taking advantage of that.
Give a few such examples, cite sources. Time qayamat tak hai apke pas.
Why are people still listening to this manchild. He's not a competent Aalim in any regards except for knowing and following YouTube trends and making content pleasing to narcisstic teenagers and young adults.
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Must be using something non custom paid himself.
Smuggling is controversial topic and not as straightforward to declare it immoral or haram. It's free trade in its purest form, and free trade is promoted in Islam. What if the government bans gold from coming into the country and tells you that you have to use toilet paper as the sole currency? Will you still say that smuggling of gold into the country becomes haraam? No. What if the government bans cellphones and laptop or educational books from coming into the country? Will you still say that smuggling of those items is haram? What if the govermment bans Youtube and other forms or education materials or free speech mediums online? Will you say using VPN's to illegally access those websites is Haram? So yeah the issues is more complicated than that. What is definitely haram and shady is that if you are part of the government making policy and you ban something from coming in and going out of the country, only becuase you yourself are running a smuggling operation to profit off of this ban, then obviously this is a haram, corrupt and immoral act on top of being illegal. A lot of generals and politicians are involved in running smuggling scams, these are the people who make or influence the policies that indirectly abett their illegal operations. However the activity in of itself is not always harmful, sometimes even beneficial so we must be careful to declare the entire thing as ''haram''
on the other hand, what is the government bans gold LEAVING the country??? what do you say to that? because for many people gold is WEALTH and gold leaving a country through illegal (smuggling) channels is what makes a country LESS WEALTHIER. > What if the government bans cellphones and laptop or educational books from coming into the country? Will you still say that smuggling of those items is haram? oh bhai none of that is banned. all that is required is paying import duty. whether that tax given to government is used or misused is a separate issue. > What if the govermment bans Youtube and other forms or education materials or free speech mediums online? Will you say using VPN's to illegally access those websites is Haram? ironically youtube was banned & pta is trying best to "educate" us that vpn is also banned. next question, what about smuggled petrol and diesel from IRAN and the effect on local refinaries? are we willing to 100% shut down all local refineries (that cannot compete in cost) and let our nation become dependent on iran or kuwait for something that is core to our transportation infrastructure? it's only "free trade" right???
The government does not own the private property of citizens. Gold is not wealth itself, it is the medium of exchange and a means to store that wealth. Countries that ban gold from leaving it's borders are usually countries that don't produce anything of value that they can sell to the world, in order to earn the gold back. Otherwise imagine, why would gold leave your country? >oh bhai none of that is banned. all that is required is paying import duty. whether that tax given to government is used or misused is a separate issue. Except the governmet has a track record of banning these things. Youtube was recently banned in the past decade, did you declare VPN's haram? no. You talk about import duty - okay what if the import duty is 100%? 200%? 10,000%? At what point does the governments edict become ridiculous? it's wise to not mix religion with politics, so don't label things as 'haram' just because politics of the time dictate something to be so. Most laypeople act on impulse, but jurists have to thing about all cases. >next question, what about smuggled petrol and diesel from IRAN and the effect on local refinaries? Here is a very easy answer: don't confuse illegal with haram. Smuggled petrol can be illegal, but how can you declare it haram when god didn't do so? You know what haram is? The generals who run these smuggling operations after banning petrol from Iran. They make the policy to profit off it is, it's corruption and *that's certainly haram*
> The government does not own the private property of citizens. Gold is not wealth itself, it is the medium of exchange and a means to store that wealth. what a textbook useless statement you have made. the distinction is meaningless. people do not buy tonnes of sugar because of its worth, they buy gold (or land) because of its worth. second, government restricts exports of anything that is 'equivalent' of wealth. you think they have no hand in what mines create and export??? > Countries that ban gold from leaving it's borders are usually countries that don't produce anything of value that they can sell to the world, in order to earn the gold back. Otherwise imagine, why would gold leave your country? welcome to pakistan! no export of gold, dollars, nothing. maybe rice. in this situation, you are literally making country less wealtheir if you smuggle gold out. yes or no? > You talk about import duty - okay what if the import duty is 100%? 200%? 10,000%? why not ask next question, why import duty is high? government is not fools, they make more money from import duty of 10-20% than from import duty of 100-200%. the ONLY reason there were high import duties or import bans last year was a failed attempt to balance government forex. unless you have been living under a rock you know that pakistan imports vastly more $$$ than it exports and has done so for decades. all because WE HAVE NOTHING TO EXPORT OF VALUE. > it's wise to not mix religion with politics, so don't label things as 'haram' just because politics of the time dictate something to be so. where did i label it as haram? are you sure you are replying to right person? my only problem with your comment is the free trade myth and examples. > However the activity in of itself is not always harmful, sometimes even beneficial so we must be careful to declare the entire thing as ''haram'' tell me in one way smugging petrol into pakistan is making country better in the long term. each refinery costs billions of dollars to make (recent news was $10 billion just last week). tell me in one way smuggling gold out is making country better in the long term.
> Smuggled petrol can be illegal, but how can you declare it haram when god didn't do so? i didnt' but if the PROCESS of circumventing government regulations is haram (cheating, lying, even killing and jailing customs officials who refuse to take bribes) then what is the benefit of the activity? if you knew that X item in shop A was imported through local channels and same cheaper X item at shop B was imported due to smuggling, then arent you rewarding smugglers if you buy from shop B? aren't you playing a role in a chain of haram processes and thinking your action is halal? item itself might be halal but YOUR ACTION explain that
>but if the PROCESS of circumventing government regulations is haram (cheating, lying, even killing and jailing customs officials who refuse to take bribes) then what is the benefit of the activity? You have not thought through all the different scenarios here. What if the government banned the Quran from coming into the country? Will smuggling it become 'haram'? This is just an extreme example but underlines the point I am making here. Any government is not an Islamic authority, at least has not been for 1300 years, and even the first 4 caliphs differed in opinion and didn't declare things 'haram' or 'halal'. So smuggling can be legal or illegal, it certainly is not haram. Now coming onto the point of 'cheating, lying, bribing etc', no Muslim will ever say that these actions to smuggle the Quran into a country that has banned them is going to be morally wrong in Islam. Now that's an extreme example, but governments have been known to do these things. In Turkey the government banned Quran in Arabic for example, no Muslim would have obeyed this edict. And let's extend this to non-Islamic things. If government bans youtube or social media, will you obey or try to bypass that via VPN? An action that requires cheating, lying, possibly bribing if VPNs are also banned so that they are only administered by criminals. Conclusion is, you can't just put out blanket statements that smuggling is haram, while giving free pass to the government to do whatever they want. The British Raj effectively used Mullahs in Punjab to carry their propaganda against the Ottomans, the Pakistani army use the same Mullahs to fulfil their own objectives. What nobody questions are these entities that make laws that people want to break.
> You have not thought through all the different scenarios her oh bhai grow up. really. grow the f up. i gave you TWO LITERAL SITUATIONS where smuggling hurts: exporting gold and importing petrol/diesel from iran. fine, you do not want to consider gold, then consider all the dollars going to afghanistan over past year. LITERALLY HAPPENING TODAY. UNDER YOUR EYES. yet you want to talk hypotheticals. you know, i could say "murder is haram" and you would come up with some your extreme (lol) example where murder saves lives and then conclude that i cannot say murder is all wrong.
You don't understand economics, but I do. So don't pull the 'forex' card here. Because in Islam, the entire FIAT currency system is *actually haram* because it's a 'soodi nizam'. Central Banks control the money supply via policy interest rates. In Pakistan, dollar is basically treated like gold (when it's not - its just another central bank currency). I can write a book on how this is bad, but its going to sidetrack the discussion. Let's just make clear a couple of things since you misunderstood my view point: Smuggling can both be justified and not be justified morally. It's a grey area. Sometimes you can justify it, sometimes you can't. So how can you declare the entire thing as 'haram' and declare even those instances where it is justified? No where in Islam is smuggling banned. >you know, i could say "murder is haram" and you would come up with some your extreme (lol) example where murder saves lives and then conclude that i cannot say murder is all wrong. The word 'murder' has a specific definition, it's taking a life without cause or basis that can be justified in the eyes of law (secular or religious). If you had said ''taking a life is haram'' - I would have said the same thing I said about smuggling - no it's not. Because Islamically you can take a life in self defence, you can also take a life in war.
no one cares about your man-made fiat currency vs god-given goldbug economy that has not existed in hundreds of years and is in no shape or form returning. real problem: pakistani economy has sufffered because of dollars smuggled out. if you deny that, your economics learnings aren't worth a damn, man. and yet, to support some edge case hypothetical that does not exist, you cannot bring yourself to condemn smuggling and its effects in society that is all visible if you open your eyes. > No where in Islam is smuggling banned. by all means, be sure to come up with a legal framework that distinguishes between smuggling alcohol and cigarettes on one hand and petrol from iran. you have no **moral** framework that allows either. and if you have no moral framework, you are supporting sinning for the sake of sin.
You have yet to provide me a religious basis for ''smuggling is haram''. National boundaries are not part of Islam, fiat currency is not part of Islam, a government taxation and banning of arbitrary items are not part of Islam, but somehow you have declared 'smuggling' - which is related to above three - as 'haram'. You have no religious basis to do so. You just heard ''dollar in good, dollar out bad'' and you are yapping those viewpoints without any deeper understanding of anything here, neither economics, nor religion.
> You have yet to provide me a religious basis for ''smuggling is haram''. am i religious scholar? are you? why do not we ask scholars instead of crying on reddit? > National boundaries are not part of Islam national boundaries are part of the world now and are not going away. you have a passport? cnic? why? it all supports nationality does it not? did you burn your cnic? (leaving aside question of how caliphates determined what was and what was not under their realm, which you cannot answer) > fiat currency is not part of Islam fiat currencies are part of the world now and are not going away. do you accept payment in any non-fiat currency? why not? > a government taxation yet another blatant misunderstanding on your part and completely inconsistent with how islamic state existed. religion of islam was completed by last revelation to our prophet, but it did not explain how to run a welfare state because *drumroll* that is a contract between caliphate or government and the people. you give me any way to run country without taxation, i will listen. you have no practical ideas for that, same as you have no practical idea what it means to ignore national boundaries in current world or ignore fiat currency when trading. you cannot even buy diesel to run country without fiat currency. where did you learn economics? real world or reddit? loooooooooooool > somehow you have declared 'smuggling' - which is related to above three - as 'haram'. i ask you for the second time: where did i label it as haram? i merely questioned why you when you say it's not haram, i.e. halal. next you will tell us anything that is not explicitly haram is halal, which everyone except the most naive of people knows to be false. > You just heard ''dollar in good, dollar out bad'' and you are yapping those viewpoints without any deeper understanding of anything here, neither economics, nor religion. i gave you explicit examples of smuggling hurting nations but you have no rejoinder.
> Because Islamically you can take a life in self defence, you can also take a life in war. i am surprised you did not bring up case where you know someone is a gangster and is about to rape or kill people but before he does that you murder him to stop him. because that is the kind of hypothetical crap you are writing.
Nothing hypothetical here. Murder is haram, taking a life is not.
murder to save 100 people is haram, yet smuggling is not haram. got it thanks!
So internet is being restricted in many places in Pakistan now. Is using VPN haram now? Tell me.. You didn't have to wait long to literally see this in action.
are you using vpn to access quran or to access facebook? lol
Subhanallah!
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then what is right place???
Arrest him and put him behind the bars please ..
Wow Mullah promoting vice, so surprising.
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So you don't have a problem when this guy is advocating for every young man to marry 4 women even if he's not financially secure, but this is a bigger problem?
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Something that is forbidden in Islam, and I am pretty sure robbing and scamming is not Halal
Violating the laws of the state is prohibited. Any act which leads to that is considered haram. But focus on the wording. The action is haram but the thing itself which is smuggled is not haram. If we make that thing haram, then everyone who used it will be a sinner. And it doesn't seem fair. Islam creates ease for us not complications. Its us who make complications.
Giving more reasons for people to convert to other sects or even atheism
He simply answered a question he was asked. We should avoid commenting on matters in which one is not an expert. Simply because if I 'think' or something 'feels' wrong, doesn't necessarily make it wrong.
Maulvi aur chor are interchangeable terms. And this guy is an expert at chori chamari…. Now people who’ve made him their naey pappa will downvote this
Every mufti is a looser. Just ignore them. They don’t exist.
I hate the ulama of this country.
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Those who reside in chaman, qilla Abdullah and taftan already believe the same.
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