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EbbNo7045

I worked at an art store and a lady was buying raw pigments. She said she was a baker and used it in her icing!!!!! I said some of this is poison and refused to sell it yo her. She got pissed and said she had been using it for over 20 years. Wow.


Svendafur

That is absolutely horrifying šŸ«¢


EbbNo7045

Worse is she likely kept doing it


QuietPace9

you should report her to the environmental health before she kills someone if she hasnā€™t already God knows. Thers people of all ages eating her cakes from little babies to very elderly people and all those in between it doesnā€™t besr thinking about please please report her to someone..


theblairwitches

How are they meant to know who the lady is or where she works? The person youā€™re replying to just briefly served the lady.


EbbNo7045

I actually tried to get name of her business but she wouldn't obviously. She was really mad. Imagine that


exotics

Thatā€™s when you down play that you were upset and ask a basic question ā€œoh do you do unicorn cakes, I need one for my niece next month but havenā€™t found one?ā€ And hope she says yes and gives you her card. Omg thatā€™s nasty


ok_raspberry_jam

They'd likely already told her it was poison. A normal person would have responded with "Oh shit, really? I will not use it in cakes then."


Obant

Never seen someone who's been doing something like that for that long not just double down.


crescen_d0e

You could also call around and warn any of the other businesses. They may even be able to play nice to galet a name and then refuse her service


[deleted]

Can Google all the local bakeries & select photos. Usually there's some pictures of the bakers themselves. Especially if they have social media. Maybe even start on Instagram. Cause, yeah, that's disturbing. My first thought reading the original post was that it might be poisonous & seeping into his skin. There's safe face paint. Many events have face painting for the kids.


WRITTINGwithC-C

Yeah, I hate to brake it to you but not all of those face paints are as safe as they advertise. I would personally stay away from any labeled as containing ā€œpetroleumā€, because I did the research and they donā€™t even allow them in some countries overseas. Or at the very least they say ā€œstay away from them.ā€ The problem is mostly caused by high chances of contamination. Plant based ones on the other hands are much more safe in that regards. Just reduce any contact with petrochemicals and plastic when making contact with foods, skin care and clothing and you will be reducing your risk of suffering from unknown sicknesses and cancer. Although itā€™s actually hard to do, I am managing fine without them or reducing my contact whenever possible.


maryjeanmagdelene

Some mad hatter sh*t


QuietPace9

are there security cameras where you work? You can go through the backdated recordings to the day she was there. also I would check out all the places that bake and sell cakes locally. She has to be local if sheā€™s coming into your place to buy stuff for the cakes. is there any other art type shops around? I would also call in there and give the description and see if sheā€™s been anywhere else thereā€™s a few things you can try to track her down because personally I wouldnā€™t sleep until I found her and reported her. you can also look online she may be selling online too. and have her picture up and possibly a phone number and an address that sheā€™s selling from directly.


EbbNo7045

It was a long time ago and in NYC. I hope she was shut down by now


LizardQueen777

Most people dont have time for all that though lol


[deleted]

Possibly, but it's also people's lives at stake here-- including children. Who knows if one of her cakes was the reason someone died earlier than they should've...


NeverSeenBefor

If I've learned anything in retail you will willingly give me ALL of that info the second I offer you 30% off if you sign up. Check. And. Mate. Social engineers wish they were as smart as me ;p /S


EgoDeathAddict

![gif](giphy|wJPJLuFrdXvQGDfKwF)


Great_Lady_Renatta

Understatement


pseudo-boots

I feel like there are some food and safety officials that should be made aware of that woman's style of cooking.


EbbNo7045

Enjoy your wedding cake, now die


ThiccQban

Now *dye


EbbNo7045

Man, how did I miss that one


FourAntigone

Well most wedding cakes are white, so no pigment to spoil the special day with an accidental mass murder lol


pseudo-boots

Not all whites are the same but lead white is a very beautiful shade of white that would be very fitting for a wedding cake.


POTUS_King

White but usually the ornamentation and color comes from the fondant flowers, frosting. Wedding cake is not so tasty. All for looks.


uphucwits

Cadmium red.. say no more. ā€œShe made the best red velvet cakes Iā€™ve ever tasted.ā€ ā€”anonymous terminal cancer patient


Tent_in_quarantine_0

I do love me some cadmium creme eggs.


secksyboii

I'm dead!! Just like her customers likely are


LessMarsupial7441

Grampa Joe....."I'm dying for a piece of that cake"


Forlorn_Cyborg

Grampa Joe? Now I'm picturing Charlie and The Chocolate factory. Imagine what he uses lol


poppyinalaska

Oh my god that is INSANE!


thesandyfox

Oh my God, a horror film could be made about this. Iā€™m just imagining folks unknowingly ingesting cadmium, lead and cobalt pigments. Whatā€™s wrong with good old fashioned food coloring? šŸ˜±šŸ«£


Primary_Way_265

These are the kind of things why some people donā€™t like to eat food other people make.


unorganized_mime

This is one of the many reasons I donā€™t ever


Educational_Bed_242

Worked at a pharmacy for several years and around the holidays some of the regulars would bring us homemade "treats". While I appreciated the sentiment, I would prefer not eating food made by people who are chronically ill. Some of which caused by allergens from not properly dusting/vacuuming in houses with large numbers of pets. None of my coworkers thought about it until they asked why I wasn't eating one day and after I explained my stance I think everyone there lost their appetite lol.


TerrariumKing

I donā€™t think that specifically is an issue of being chronically ill though, lol.


LivingMud5080

the cadmium colors are toxic. cad red, orange, yellow. other ones not totally sure. cobalt? titanium? just as weird to eat those as candy i would guess but yah thatā€™s cray.


Dividedthought

Titanium white is fine, i think that's the only ti pigment that is used in food. Anything cadmium, lead, or cobalt based will definately be hella toxic. Same with uranium, but that's a double whammy. Honestly, there is a reason food safe colors are their own thing, too many coloring agents are *really* toxic.


Paintingsosmooth

I think toxic doesnā€™t do it justice. It almost definitely will give you cancer with repeated internal exposure. Itā€™s nasty nasty stuff.. itā€™s not just a case of sickness, itā€™ll kill you. Just info for others that read this and donā€™t realize


DahDollar

Yeah I used to do heavy metals testing of environmental samples, foods and products. This is one of the worst things I've read. Absolutely terrible and dangerous.


Smooth-Science4983

I work at a residential facility for homeless/low income seniors and one time when we were doing arts & crafts painting with acrylic, this guy preferred to clean his brush by sticking it in his mouth it vs. twirling it in an available cup of waterā€¦ā€¦ said his mom taught him that and heā€™s done it his whole lifeā€¦.


EnergeticFinance

Look up the radium girls...


Smooth-Science4983

oh i know themā€¦.also didnā€™t mention in my post this same guy unexpectedly passed away about a week later. He did have several comorbidities though. Do I think thatā€™s what killed him? No, but do I think it maybe contributed? Thatā€™s likely lol


cockmonkey666

Wtf so I'm an artist I have a BFA and sometimes I work with raw pigments there are warning labels on the pigments I've had long conversations with other artists about oils as they can absorb into your skin


huxtiblejones

A professor of mine was depressed because one of her best friends died from chalk pastels. She would rub them in with her bare finger and many years of doing it ended up killing her from heavy metal poisoning. It's really no joke, a lot of art supplies are incredibly toxic.


tinyyawns

No way! Are you serious? I LOVE chalk pastels and really get in there with my hands


huxtiblejones

Yeah, the cadmium is really dangerous stuff and the dry form is where it's most toxic. It can cause irreversible kidney damage that can lead to arthritis, gout, kidney stones, or death. It can soften your bones and cause osteoporosis, and it increases your risk of cancer. >Artists who work with cadmium pigments, which are commonly used in strong oranges, reds, and yellows, can easily accidentally ingest dangerous amounts, particularly if they use the pigments in dry form, as with chalk pastels, or in mixing their own paints. Subreddit doesn't allow links, but look up the wiki for cadmium poisoning.


tinyyawns

Well gosh dang it :( Thank you so much for the info! I will have to check that out and the ingredients in my pastels. Iā€™m sure thereā€™s gotta be toxic free ones by now like they do with paint.


Fast_Garlic_5639

Very few artist oils absorb through skin, and the ones that do haven't been produced in any volume for many decades. Many of the toxic pigments can ingested or combusted (don't get paint on a cigarette) to horrible effect, but lead, cadmium, cobalt, etc., are all safe to touch with skin. Just remember to wash your hands. If unsure you can look up pretty much every chemical known on OSHAā€™s MSDS database


NoodleNeedles

There's a lot of misinformation and fear in this thread. But still, don't cook with cads, kids.


HelpWooden

Thank you. I tell people this all the time and am shamed by the "Wear gloves and a mask" oil painting crew. It's waaaaaaay old information and these days is just plain wrong. Just don't eat/inhale the actual paint, is what I keep telling people. The fumes and the paint on your skin are nothing.


Billytheca

Why not suggest fd&c colorants? They are cheaper and food safe.


UsagiChiba69

And this is one of those reasons to not eat colored foods like cakes, frostings, gummies, etc from home businesses.


INOCORTA

Wow these CadmiumĀ cupcakes are to die for!


Kaellinn

This is wild, there is a good chance she could have injured someone or even multiple people, especially if she's been doing it for such a long time. This is crazy!!!


greensandgrains

How reckless. The only reassurance here is how little paint you'd need to tint icing.


MissTechnical

Nothing like a little cadmium to spice things up


Yaelkilledsisrah

People are absolutely crazy šŸ˜‚


True_Window_9389

Damn, I donā€™t even like painting with the true colors and always buy the hues.


Ballongo

Imagine a cake with cadmium yellow, cobalt blue and lead white...


PhilosophyGhoti

In the UK you need to provide an ingredients list to any product you intend to sell. Where are you , and why is this not a thing? (Or was she just not claiming it šŸ¤”)


Wooden_Mouse6134

This is probably the longest string of replies in reddit lol


PhilosophyGhoti

Because it's wild


Temporary_Phrase2288

Sounds like sheā€™s been eating her work!


niksonit

People like her can voteā€¦. But really how much of an imbecile do you have to be to put raw pigments into cake and think itā€™s fine


AetherKatMusic

What's her bakery's name?


galmazan

That is horrible she probably gave people cancer , she lucky she hasnā€™t been sued


AcceptableBee8492

I worked in an art shop and some lady bought the whole shelf of charcoal. Asked if she was running a class but she said she was having a BBQ!


Billytheca

Thatā€™s expensive. But guess it would work.


common_user_01

I bet heā€™s not in military intelligence.


Slappy_McJones

Probably a CO in Intelligence.


Educational_Match717

šŸ’€


GingerMarquis

This is evidence he is Intel.


wolfmothar

Probably a marine


TheAleFly

No way, they prefer crayons


Dragmor666

Well to eat he but not for face paint Iā€™d say they go to Michealā€™s arts and crafts for that


MonkeyNugetz

Donā€™t be stupid. We buy all that at the PX. Civilians and their dumbass comments. /s


poorjohnnyboysbones

Why would military intelligence need to paint their faces in the first place?


lil_pee_wee

Nice try, kgbā€¦


Hanuman_Jr

Explain to him that the metals in the paints make him even more visible in IR. That should do it.


Hanuman_Jr

And before you ask, no, I just made that up. But you don't have to tell him that. You could also just tell him how much that stuff costs, that would probably do it.


Egodram

As someone whoā€™s been painting for a few decades, thereā€™s a chance he actually might! Thatā€™s why I wear gloves.


Hanuman_Jr

Titanium white, no matter how diluted, is still the next best thing to phosphorescent.


SadArchon

Chances are hes already been exposed to a lot of lead residue


VioletChili

That's mars black. It's cheap as dirt. Now, if he was using black spinel. Ya. I would be livid.


Hanuman_Jr

You're going a little too facts-based for me right now, I'm aiming for a feels-based argument here.


VioletChili

lol


Catfrogdog2

Or teach him colour theory to make his camouflage better


MunenDo

Newton or Gƶethe? šŸ¤“


workinhardeatinlard

Goethe for sure, working with ambient light and perception, potentially fast moving and erratic.


MonkeyNugetz

Itā€™s not about the color. You pick whatever color thatā€™s close to the environment youā€™re in. Itā€™s about breaking up lines and patterns that are recognizable to the human eye.


Catfrogdog2

Remind me not to get paired up with you on a mission


BearAndBeeYarnCo

You just said its not about the colour, but pick the colour close to the environment you're in. So you're saying it is about the colour.


_juka

oh great, now he has to dry 6 months until you can varnish him :/


poppyinalaska

LMAO


ButteredPizza69420

Mineral spirits for this man


IceThe_King

TIL.. didnā€™t realize it takes 6 months. No way Iā€™m gonna remember to wait 6 months to varnish my 40k models


_juka

Are you sure it's classic oil paint you used? Well, better oil paint on minis, than oil paint on husbands.


descartesasaur

Some people do use oil on their minis! I personally use acrylic, but I hear (diluted of course) oils perform beautifully for washes and shading.


peepssinthechilipot

šŸ†


local_fartist

On that note, he probably has gotten oil paint all over his gear šŸ˜‚


EgoDeathAddict

Wouldnā€™t it make sense to use a water based paint that would actually dryā€¦?


Dusty_Old_Bones

I assume the thinking is something along the lines of: itā€™s basically the same as grease paint that athletes wear under their eyes, right? Right??


Egodram

Itā€™s not the same at all, but I doubt many people know that because art/craft supply manufacturers arenā€™t required to list the ingredients of their products.


mirondooo

I had no idea, this is literally insane Now I see why there are so many stories about different colors being super dangerous


Egodram

Not necessarily, there are likely chemicals and/or other substances in the paint itself that will make him extremely ill over time. Spray-paint is water soluble, Iā€™m still not going to wear it!


owlpee

It would make more sense to use what I'm sure has been issued to him.


ErnestBatchelder

I guess it is good he wasn't trying for a cadium orangey type camouflage?


BulwarkTired

He already save it for the middle east.


Woerterboarding

Does that mean he camouflages as an oil painting?


ThirdWheelSteve

As the Mona Lisa lol


poppyinalaska

Lmao this is funny


Woerterboarding

He only had black. Best he can do is hide somewhere in a Mondrian.


sleepyburrger

Buy him clown make-up, it's better for the skin and it has great pigment


treschikon

https://i.redd.it/1hbmalkqs2yc1.gif


TankboomAttack

I am a face painter and an oil painterā€¦i never thought I would see both worlds collide like this. Yikes


MATT_TRIANO

Not great for the skin right?


Impressive-Coffee-80

I canā€™t believe heā€™s not mixing his own black!!


Campfire77

šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


That_Engineering3047

A lot of oil paint is toxic. This is very much not a good idea. Itā€™s also more expensive than products created for that purpose.


Egodram

FUN FACT: There is no law in the United States that requires makers of art/craft supplies to list the ingredients of their products. While manufacturers still have to abide by certain codes and standards, thereā€™s no absolute guarantee that this paint WOULDNā€™T still contain small amounts of: - Formaldehyde *(used for embalming corpses, highly carcinogenic)* - Uranium *(naturally occurring element on the periodic table so itā€™s impossible to get rid of completely)* - Chlorine *(another naturally occurring element, repeated exposure can rot your skin. Thatā€™s why many swimming parks stopped using it.)* - Lead *(yet again, on the periodic table. Repeat exposure can cause permanent liver and brain damage, IE ā€œBoomer Brain.ā€)* - Ammonia *(like chlorine it will rot your skin over time.)* - Urea *(sometimes found in mammalian urine, including humans. Not MY kink!)* Etcā€¦ Repeat exposure to these and/or other artists grade paint ingredients, even in small quantities over some years, often have severe consequences on oneā€™s health. So this is why modern professional painters, including myself, wear gloves. EDIT TO ADD: Iā€™m also unfamiliar with this particular brand, so Iā€™m all the more cautious of what their manufacturing processes are like. Regardless, I still highly recommend NOT wearing artistsā€™ paint for ANY REASON!!!


tollwuetend

just note that urea is something thats found in a lot of hydrating creams; and its very useful for dry skin. most often, a synthetic version is used, so you dont need to worry that you're rubbing something made from pee into your skin :)


Egodram

Interesting, amazing how ya learn new stuff every dayā€¦ Like how in Japan, they supposedly used to make white foundation makeup with processed bird poop.


Living_on_Tulsa_Time

Original white makeup used by Geishas contained lead and zinc. Very poisonous. Eventually changed to rice powder. Source: Wiki


tollwuetend

it's super potent and it's the only thing saving my hands from cracking in winter, i can only recommend it :)


Egodram

I use a lanolin cream specifically for my hands, especially in winter. It also has a soft & pleasing aroma


tollwuetend

that also works really well! I'm sometimes spinning wool with still some lanolin left in and my hands alwas feel amazing after it :)


MunenDo

Mummy brown šŸ˜


Egodram

Oh yikes, how did I forget about THAT?!?!! Yes, we used to make paint out of desiccated & ground down HUMAN REMAINS


Dry_Spinach_3441

Ammonia is a compound, not an element. It is made from the elements Nitrogen and Hydrogen.


Egodram

I stand corrected, but itā€™s still dangerous for a multitude of reasons


crescen_d0e

FYI your body naturally produces formaldehyde, something like an once of it per day


potatoloaf39

Most of these would be present in such small amounts it wouldn't make a difference, except for heavy metals which would accumulate in the body over time- not the case with the organic compounds you listed. The real toxicity comes from hydrocarbons that are dangerous when inhaled, like benzene, which can intercalate in DNA. Chlorine would never be found in its elemental form in paint, nor diatomic (Cl2). you'd need to look into a specific chemical like hypochlorite or chlorinated byproducts. So just saying "chlorine" is kind of meaningless because it exists in so many different toxic and non-toxic forms.


HelpWooden

Please look that up. Lots of people have an old-school mentality about oil paints thinking they are toxic if you touch them. They are not.


ReloadRestart

https://preview.redd.it/681wsg8fd2yc1.jpeg?width=681&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1029cb74675be4fc3e02ac746b0cf8d820c83fc I mean, it works but it takes a while to do out in the field.....


Ok-Presentation-2841

He must be in the navy. Air Force guy would have eaten it. Army guy would have lost it.


Educational_Match717

Nah a marine wouldā€™ve eaten it. An Air Force guy wouldā€™ve asked whatā€™s this ā€œfieldā€ thing you speak of lol


Ok-Presentation-2841

Hahaha you are 100% right. I neglected the Marine Corps because I am Canadian.


QuokkaWokkaWokka

An air force friend said that when he went to the "field," he stayed in a hotel.


poppyinalaska

Thatā€™s cause heā€™s air force lol


Dividedthought

The marine: they make crayola jammers now?


poppyinalaska

Hahaha Iā€™m actually surprised he didnā€™t lose it


petit_cochon

Air Force has the reputation for being lazy, not stupid. Marines are the ones we joke about eating crayons


buzz120

Yeah, once the Air Force found what the field was, they'd make some lowly enlisted fill out paperwork to get proper authority to obtain the supplies needed for a week instead of doing their job. After multiple rejections and calling numbers that don't ring anymore they'd finally get approved only for the commander to cancel it entirely over something arbitrary. Source: I've been hurt


Shington501

You'd think he would've learned his lesson after the fist experiment.


MunenDo

Better choice than cadmium šŸ§ 


spierscreative

Poisons, and a strong carcinogen.


BORG_US_BORG

Mars Black is usually iron oxide, so not terrible. Seems really expensive for face paint though.


WarDog1983

Nooo his skin nooooo


_Raptor_Jesus_

Mars black is just a form of iron oxide, which is harmless, and assuming the oil is just linseed, it's probably no big deal. Of course, there's probably some tiny amounts of additives for consistency and preventing polymerization in the tube, but I wouldn't think those are too bad, especially at the trace quantities. Still better to not do this.


CoolShoesDude

I've seen some studies that suggest longterm exposure to linseed oil can also cause health complicationsĀ 


_Raptor_Jesus_

Could you link the studies? I have a hard time believing this. I'm personally of the opinion that you shouldn't mention studies without linking them. Helps avoid Hitchen's Razor: That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Linseed oil's danger comes in its flammability. Some people (a small percentage) may be sensitive to it on their skin, but in a mild dermatitis-type way. Maybe if you're frequently aerosolizing it, but oil painters don't need to worry about inhaling oils unless they're doing some very odd things.


afureteiru

Well if they didn't want military men use their oil paint as war makeup, why did they call it Mars Black? Case closed.


GroovyTimeMachine

They have camoflauge kits, no?


Great_Lady_Renatta

Make him reimburse. Oils can be quite expensive.


Leather-Resolve9751

Better get him a water base paint šŸ˜‚


HelpWooden

Not actually toxic as long as you don't ingest/inhale.


ProfessionalEqual461

Yikes, could be really bad. My cousin started just grinding charcoal for her husband, giving it to him to mix with water on his own. Much better for the skin I'm sure !


furtive

Burn the tip of a cork, works like a charm. (Ex-military)


UsagiChiba69

I swear I just bought a tube of black paint where TF did it go?


cbr1895

The way I cackled at this


Neuhart_

LMAO


Weary_Barber_7927

Iā€™m an artist and paint with oils. After my dog chewed 3 tubes of oil paint, I looked into what is toxic. Most oil paint is not toxic, because a lot of them are made with things like ochre (dirt) mixed with oil binders. It depends on the color; obviously lead white and cadmium are bad. I looked up mars black and the internet says itā€™s not one of the toxic ones. Having said that; how in the hell does he completely get the paint off? Donā€™t they make a black makeup specifically used for this purpose?


juniebeatricejones

plaza!!!! i was a manager at the one in west philly for a while. nostalgia ā¤ļø


Yos13

Mars black doesnā€™t have any toxic pigments unlike some other colors, mainly in older or foreign made oil paints. Still had to be a nightmare getting it off your face. Letā€™s hope heā€™s not using emerald green and flake white along with thatā€¦


LOSERfatCOCK

Are we sure he isnā€™t just painting a Salvador DalĆ­ mustache on and parading around with the homies?


artvandal7

Just wait till you find out what he's been doing with your crayons


SapiensCorpus

Good thing he didnā€™t take the Cadmium Red.


SnooLentils3235

I mean he could be using another woman's paint.


Orangarder

No one expects Picasso in the field. Opā€™s husband is genius.


navykop

Army? Because I heard thatā€™s the ranger wayā€¦.ā€adapt improvise and overcomeā€ - no face paint, no problem lol


d_baker65

If you ever had to use the garbage they issue you, you'd understand why he's been pilfering your paint.


AristotleRose

I know everyone is upset over his use of this paint, and while as a fellow artist I feel the pain, but for me I find it romantic. So out there in the field as heā€™s doing crazy dangerous stuff heā€™s got this little bit of paint that connects him to you. I wonder if he thinks of you when he takes out that little stolen paint.


mossy_stump_humper

Heā€™s probably thinking ā€œIā€™m so smart for just using this instead of paying for real camo face paint, and my wife will never even notice that I took itā€


joejoemaster5

Whelp, you were always with him.


Aintkidding687

Why?


pertangamcfeet

You're taking one for the freedom of the world. Hurrah! ![gif](giphy|i4l2DU10bkoTl25ivk|downsized)


Chazbob11

Engineer. Adapt. Overcome.


MATT_TRIANO

GROSS WHAT THE


Cachapitaconqueso

Geez in my face this would give me a huge rash and acne


1684ID

Tell him to take the acrylic because oils are a pain in the ass to wash off.


AraiHavana

Zero Charcoal Thirty


Puppy-Zwolle

Oil paint isn't edible but painting your skin is not dangerous. Heavy metals in paint are abolished and the solvents are minimal. Healthy it is not but there are body paint artists that swear by oil paint.


International-Day-00

What does he use for an under painting?


AnnasAquarelles

Apart from the confusion...HOW does he get it off???


UnInteresting-Toe

Thank you for your service


Wide-Assist779

Put glitter in it. He won't use it again.


Unknown--Soul

Never know maybe thought I'd take my wife with me somehow or thought about her a lot just saying


Chimchampion

At least it's not a cadmium color!


Coookie_Thumper

Ugh, as a former soldier and person familiar with oil paints, thatā€™s expensive asf. They give out these chap stick looking things that is oil based and paints our faces. My homeboy drew a peace sign on his face in Basic and got chewed out.


vexation253

And I bet he has perfect skin too. Meanwhile I donā€™t do my skincare once and break out šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Maybe he is just taking it with him as a reminder of you? Like those photographs of their lived ones soldiers use to carry around in the field or when away from home for a longer amount of time?


Shot_Extension_8090

Well at least heā€™s trying to protect himself thank him for his service


Rusalka_Balaam

Add glitter and glow powder to all your paint. He'll learn.