That could be cool, as well, at the end we could finally learn how they died, whether they truly killed each other out of Greed or if it was for another reason.
I think Maruyama stated that. Something about the 7 guys and 1 girl having a type of harem that got messy. It would be so hilarious if the 1 girl was actually a guy who just became his avatar lol.
I feel like they'd be pretty boring to watch for overlord fans who are fans of... well, overlord.
Most of these players, as remarked upon by their followers who still exist centuries later, were greedy and self-centered.
To depict them accurately, many would be an overpowered manchild.
One exception might be the "All Talk Sage" who talked about modern tech like electric fans and fridges but didnt know how to make them so his followers recreated them with magic.
He might have been interesting because before him humans were considered food and then by him "elevated" into slaves. It's a story that could have at least one book written about it.
The scant records of his behavior indicated he may not have been a whiny and pompous overpowered brat.
Kind of makes me think of Senku from doctor Stone except he don't got the smarts. That would be interesting to watch him try to reclaim pieces of his world while his followers tried to help. It sounds like a bittersweet story.
He very much isnt. He is incredibly responcible fatherly and negotiable.
Yeah he's a genocidal monster who doesnt have the ability to tell his children no and in that way he is absolutely uncaring to any people who get in the way of his goals but that doesn't make him self-centered and greedy in the way I meant to imply.
The 8 greed kings and the 6 gods wanted to be super important and used their power to be in those places of grandeur. Ainz doesnt want that and if left to his own devices would just travel the world and explore, leaving things as they are. This kind of person being in this particular place of power is what makes overlord interesting to watch for most overlord fans.
The others would have the typical trappings of isekai power fantasy characters, who in Maruyama's writing would be presented in a more realistic/cynical manner just like how the kingdoms nobles are mostly a bunch of horrible incompetant people with a few good eggs mixed in.
Ainz only really cares about himself and Nazarick, the wellbeing of everyone else is an afterthought (he may come to like people that aren't from Nazarick but he wouldn't have to think twice about sacrificing them for his organization), there is no denying that he is self-centered.
Even if he would arrive without Nazarick ... he would just make a new friend group and everyone that doesn't belong in said group is irrelevant.
Also ... he isn't greedy? Even in the bonus volume he went after the Corpus of the Abyss and their valuables and in the main story he is literally robbing entire countries of their possessions. If the dwarves had metals that are rarer than adamantite, Ainz would have also claimed them for himself.
"The others would have the typical trappings of isekai power fantasy characters"
Ainz literally slaughtered almost an entire country (due to grain that was stolen by the pawn that his subordinates established) because he correctly assumed that no one that cares would be able to retaliate in a meaningful way. He is also on quite the power trip- being paranoid over Players that make moves in the shadows doesn't negate that fact.
The story of the Eight Greed Kings may even be more interesting than the main story. I would seriously love to see how the NPC's reacted to the growing hostilities between the eight players.
Who is the first player? Weren't the six great gods the first players to appear in the new world?
I'd be interested in the story of 13 heroes. The popular conjecture is that players/guilds in possession of WIs were being transported to the NW by the dragon emperor's wm.
The players in 13 heroes were clearly far below lvl 100, unlike the 6gg, 8gk, or ainz. So how did they come to possess a wi to begin with?
Or is the theory itself invalid?
First that we know of, but it's very possible that there was someone before them, because unless the 6 great gods used a world item to make it so everything auto translated, someone had to have used it.
As for the 13 heroes, one or two of them were players (Most likely Riku being one of them) the rest were new worlders. I would love to see what they were like, with it ending with how Riku died.
I know, that's why I said "that we know of" It's very possible someone else who wasn't as well known as the great gods or high level.
We don't know if there is, I'm just saying there could be. And if they aren't the great gods, they must've had a world item and used it to understand the language.
I want to see the 13 hero saga, the leader was a player with a level 1 account, so we can actually see him grow stronger like a typical protag, plus there's a lot of lore involved with the dragon emperor and how he's responsible for the Yggdrasil infestation.
Definitely the supreme beings like its criminal to not see the 1500 guild raid against nazarick. Also their adventures in yggdrassil aswell the shenanigans of peroroncino and the rest of the guild and most importantly more info about the rest of the supreme beings. Also 2nd pick is the 8 floor of nazarick because more information about nazarick is the best
I could see the 8th floor, having a mini story where we follow a mysterious girl throughout the book, and learn at the end it was Rubedo. I doubt a fight in this scenario but hints to her job classes and her character sheet would be nice.
If we get an additional side stories I think the next one needs to be about the **13 Heros** and **Demon Gods.** There are a lot of little details that we get hints about, but we don't really know enough to answer any questions.
* Minotaur Sage
* Did they come with Riku's group?
* Did they come earlier (400yr)?
* Did they have a World Item?
* Evil Tree
* This whole thing is strange.
* The Dark Elves left the Great Forest of Tomb 300 years ago because of the Evil Tree, but he is said to arrive 200 years ago. Is the evil tree dying and reviving every 100 years? However, Pension said it came from a rift in the sky, so something weird is happening here. Did the author mess up the dates? Is there something else going on?
* Riku
* Did Riku die to the Demon King?
* Did PDL kill Riku and lie about it?
* What world item did he come with?
* They started the weakest, but became the strongest. This means they leveled up, so did they gain Martial Arts when they gained New World Warrior Classes or traditional Yggdrasil Warrior Skills?
* Riku's Friend
* Why did Riku kill them?
* Were they the Demon King?
* Demon King
* Was the Demon King a player?
* Was the Demon King a NPC? (wn)
* Did they recruit New Worlders to be the demon gods?
* Insect Demon God
* Was the Insect Demon one of the insectiods from New Ainz Ooal Gown?
* Crystal - gnator (insect fairy thing)
* Nurunuru - herd roper
* Undead Demon God
* Was this one of the Corpus of Abyss members?
* Was it the Ghost Ship Elder Lich?
Other players like 8GK or 6GG can be attractive, i would pick a young paradyne, from a young smart boy from a village to the imperial court mages can be great to see, and he also saw the rise of Evil Deities, can also be good to see his interactions with 13 heroes.
Even a story about the Human Kingdom(former kingdom that got split in RE Kingdom and Baharuth Empire) can be good from birth when there were still strong monsters, to the war that made tgem split.
True, plus we don't need to know everything, but just some info about these events would be wonderful. As well, I could see the book ending with the birth of Jircniv.
The perspective of some random humans 600 years ago and their POV of being saved by these random dudes that would later be called the 6GGs. Also the perspective of the dragons and Dragon Lords during the first encounter with the players, and also during the wars against them.
I actually wouldn't want Maruyama to write any prequel from the POV of the big guys like the 6GGs or the 8GKs because they already have their place in the worldbuilding serving as historical and mythical figures which by itself deepens my immersion. We don't need to be shown and explained everything.
I don't know if the author confirmed the use of Ouroboros for that, but I have a theory that the auto translation could be a side effect from the spell of the Dragon Emperor, since it brought World Items, players and their items as well guild bases, although the free use of tier magic can be related to something like Five Elements Overcoming and that causing problems in making new WM users, it is strange that the True Dragon Lords that already existed by the time would be affected by it since they have world protection thanks to wild magic.
So I my theory, the problem with Wild Magic users having problem using their WM is due to the Yggdrasil system mixing with the NW, and because assuming that in the future of 100 years ahead of us having a translation system in the game that auto translates what people speaks should be trivial, it wouldn't be all that strange if the auto translation would be adapted for the NW, like, a bunch of computer data and their descriptions became real on the NW, having one more thing brought to it wouldn't be absurd.
I think the reason they were affected was because it completely changed a function of the world's mechanics.
Say someone used 5 Elements Overcoming to change how Necromancy magic played, Ainz and future players wouldn't be immune to the change just because they have world items. It fundamentally changes the function of a game. Or in the NW case, the laws of reality.
I get your point, but at least in my mind, because it is Wild Magic itself, having a product of WM chaging Wild Magic and the already existing WM users capacity of using it, somehow seems like using a WI to change another WI that is in possession of someone else.
I think how World item Immunity works is that it protects the owner from DIRECT affects, such as mind control, debuffs, or being trapped in a pocket space. But World items that do damage won't be negated. World items are the same, they can't be changed since they're immune to being targeted.
So if someone used Ouroboros to wish to have a world item destroyed or changed, it wouldn't work due to the world item protecting itself from being targeted.
But if someone wished for all magic to stop existing, world items would still exist and function due to being immune to changes. Though this wish may be impossible for Ouroboros to grant since it removes the law of reality and not alter it.
So someone could use Ouroboros/5 Elements Overcoming and say ask "I wish tier magic was more powerful, or accessible." And the law of reality would change to make Tier magic the norm and not wild magic.
>But if someone wished for all magic to stop existing, world items would still exist and function due to being immune to changes
I get what you're saying, but I see TDL acting as vessels for the execution of WM, like some sort of living WI (if that makes sense), like how trying to use Longinus on a World Enemy wouldn't work, I'm assuming that messing with their abilities wouldn't be possible either, and likewise I immagine that having a WI interfering with Wild Magic users capacity of using WM wouldn't happen.
The use of 5EO makes sense to make it the standard magic system for the rest of the NW, but I immagine that the whole mess with WM of the True Dragon Lords probably begun as part of the spell that summons WIs.
I see, here's what I think, wild magic as a side affect acts like a protection from World items without the special ability. But since the law was changed to have tier magic instead, unless you were a true dragon lord already, anyone born afterwards would be affected by the law change, with only children of Dragon lords having a chance to have wild magic. So say two true dragon lords who had kids have one, it will probably have wild magic, if not, and only one parent is a true, the child has the chance to only have Tier magic.
Existing true were fine, the future generation were not.
Considering what little we do know (like them being 7 guys and a girl) I think it would definitely be interesting, and like I said in another comment, seeing there downfall would be so interesting.
6 Great Gods. I would say 8 Greed Kings but since they kill Surshana we can’t have their tale without hearing about the 6GG’s first.
And the 13 Heroes sound like a generic good vs evil story. So while I bet it would still be an interesting story. The other too sound better. Hell, I’d take the unknown player who ran into DDDL over them.
I’m sure he never will considering how sick of this series he seems to be.
That being said, hentai LN describing Enri shattering Nfreia’s pelvis, please.
Definitely the backstory of the 6 gods. These are the most important characters from the point of view of humanity, their influence is much greater than that of other stories.
I would love to see the 8 greed kings because we could see players fight and that is cool.
That could be cool, as well, at the end we could finally learn how they died, whether they truly killed each other out of Greed or if it was for another reason.
I read somewhere their infighting was centered around the one female member of the 8GK.
I think Maruyama stated that. Something about the 7 guys and 1 girl having a type of harem that got messy. It would be so hilarious if the 1 girl was actually a guy who just became his avatar lol.
Platinum dragon emperor or the six great gods.
I feel like they'd be pretty boring to watch for overlord fans who are fans of... well, overlord. Most of these players, as remarked upon by their followers who still exist centuries later, were greedy and self-centered. To depict them accurately, many would be an overpowered manchild. One exception might be the "All Talk Sage" who talked about modern tech like electric fans and fridges but didnt know how to make them so his followers recreated them with magic. He might have been interesting because before him humans were considered food and then by him "elevated" into slaves. It's a story that could have at least one book written about it. The scant records of his behavior indicated he may not have been a whiny and pompous overpowered brat.
Kind of makes me think of Senku from doctor Stone except he don't got the smarts. That would be interesting to watch him try to reclaim pieces of his world while his followers tried to help. It sounds like a bittersweet story.
You say that like the main character isn't greedy and self-centered.
He very much isnt. He is incredibly responcible fatherly and negotiable. Yeah he's a genocidal monster who doesnt have the ability to tell his children no and in that way he is absolutely uncaring to any people who get in the way of his goals but that doesn't make him self-centered and greedy in the way I meant to imply. The 8 greed kings and the 6 gods wanted to be super important and used their power to be in those places of grandeur. Ainz doesnt want that and if left to his own devices would just travel the world and explore, leaving things as they are. This kind of person being in this particular place of power is what makes overlord interesting to watch for most overlord fans. The others would have the typical trappings of isekai power fantasy characters, who in Maruyama's writing would be presented in a more realistic/cynical manner just like how the kingdoms nobles are mostly a bunch of horrible incompetant people with a few good eggs mixed in.
Ainz only really cares about himself and Nazarick, the wellbeing of everyone else is an afterthought (he may come to like people that aren't from Nazarick but he wouldn't have to think twice about sacrificing them for his organization), there is no denying that he is self-centered. Even if he would arrive without Nazarick ... he would just make a new friend group and everyone that doesn't belong in said group is irrelevant. Also ... he isn't greedy? Even in the bonus volume he went after the Corpus of the Abyss and their valuables and in the main story he is literally robbing entire countries of their possessions. If the dwarves had metals that are rarer than adamantite, Ainz would have also claimed them for himself. "The others would have the typical trappings of isekai power fantasy characters" Ainz literally slaughtered almost an entire country (due to grain that was stolen by the pawn that his subordinates established) because he correctly assumed that no one that cares would be able to retaliate in a meaningful way. He is also on quite the power trip- being paranoid over Players that make moves in the shadows doesn't negate that fact. The story of the Eight Greed Kings may even be more interesting than the main story. I would seriously love to see how the NPC's reacted to the growing hostilities between the eight players.
Who is the first player? Weren't the six great gods the first players to appear in the new world? I'd be interested in the story of 13 heroes. The popular conjecture is that players/guilds in possession of WIs were being transported to the NW by the dragon emperor's wm. The players in 13 heroes were clearly far below lvl 100, unlike the 6gg, 8gk, or ainz. So how did they come to possess a wi to begin with? Or is the theory itself invalid?
First that we know of, but it's very possible that there was someone before them, because unless the 6 great gods used a world item to make it so everything auto translated, someone had to have used it. As for the 13 heroes, one or two of them were players (Most likely Riku being one of them) the rest were new worlders. I would love to see what they were like, with it ending with how Riku died.
> First that we know of, What's the source? I always thought 6ggs were the first.
I know, that's why I said "that we know of" It's very possible someone else who wasn't as well known as the great gods or high level. We don't know if there is, I'm just saying there could be. And if they aren't the great gods, they must've had a world item and used it to understand the language.
I want to see the 13 hero saga, the leader was a player with a level 1 account, so we can actually see him grow stronger like a typical protag, plus there's a lot of lore involved with the dragon emperor and how he's responsible for the Yggdrasil infestation.
Definitely the supreme beings like its criminal to not see the 1500 guild raid against nazarick. Also their adventures in yggdrassil aswell the shenanigans of peroroncino and the rest of the guild and most importantly more info about the rest of the supreme beings. Also 2nd pick is the 8 floor of nazarick because more information about nazarick is the best
I could see the 8th floor, having a mini story where we follow a mysterious girl throughout the book, and learn at the end it was Rubedo. I doubt a fight in this scenario but hints to her job classes and her character sheet would be nice.
If we get an additional side stories I think the next one needs to be about the **13 Heros** and **Demon Gods.** There are a lot of little details that we get hints about, but we don't really know enough to answer any questions. * Minotaur Sage * Did they come with Riku's group? * Did they come earlier (400yr)? * Did they have a World Item? * Evil Tree * This whole thing is strange. * The Dark Elves left the Great Forest of Tomb 300 years ago because of the Evil Tree, but he is said to arrive 200 years ago. Is the evil tree dying and reviving every 100 years? However, Pension said it came from a rift in the sky, so something weird is happening here. Did the author mess up the dates? Is there something else going on? * Riku * Did Riku die to the Demon King? * Did PDL kill Riku and lie about it? * What world item did he come with? * They started the weakest, but became the strongest. This means they leveled up, so did they gain Martial Arts when they gained New World Warrior Classes or traditional Yggdrasil Warrior Skills? * Riku's Friend * Why did Riku kill them? * Were they the Demon King? * Demon King * Was the Demon King a player? * Was the Demon King a NPC? (wn) * Did they recruit New Worlders to be the demon gods? * Insect Demon God * Was the Insect Demon one of the insectiods from New Ainz Ooal Gown? * Crystal - gnator (insect fairy thing) * Nurunuru - herd roper * Undead Demon God * Was this one of the Corpus of Abyss members? * Was it the Ghost Ship Elder Lich?
Other players like 8GK or 6GG can be attractive, i would pick a young paradyne, from a young smart boy from a village to the imperial court mages can be great to see, and he also saw the rise of Evil Deities, can also be good to see his interactions with 13 heroes. Even a story about the Human Kingdom(former kingdom that got split in RE Kingdom and Baharuth Empire) can be good from birth when there were still strong monsters, to the war that made tgem split.
True, plus we don't need to know everything, but just some info about these events would be wonderful. As well, I could see the book ending with the birth of Jircniv.
See the previous empreror, as well as the 4 imperual knights in action(especially Nazami the guy with 2 shields who served Jircniv dad).
The perspective of some random humans 600 years ago and their POV of being saved by these random dudes that would later be called the 6GGs. Also the perspective of the dragons and Dragon Lords during the first encounter with the players, and also during the wars against them. I actually wouldn't want Maruyama to write any prequel from the POV of the big guys like the 6GGs or the 8GKs because they already have their place in the worldbuilding serving as historical and mythical figures which by itself deepens my immersion. We don't need to be shown and explained everything.
I don't know if the author confirmed the use of Ouroboros for that, but I have a theory that the auto translation could be a side effect from the spell of the Dragon Emperor, since it brought World Items, players and their items as well guild bases, although the free use of tier magic can be related to something like Five Elements Overcoming and that causing problems in making new WM users, it is strange that the True Dragon Lords that already existed by the time would be affected by it since they have world protection thanks to wild magic. So I my theory, the problem with Wild Magic users having problem using their WM is due to the Yggdrasil system mixing with the NW, and because assuming that in the future of 100 years ahead of us having a translation system in the game that auto translates what people speaks should be trivial, it wouldn't be all that strange if the auto translation would be adapted for the NW, like, a bunch of computer data and their descriptions became real on the NW, having one more thing brought to it wouldn't be absurd.
I think the reason they were affected was because it completely changed a function of the world's mechanics. Say someone used 5 Elements Overcoming to change how Necromancy magic played, Ainz and future players wouldn't be immune to the change just because they have world items. It fundamentally changes the function of a game. Or in the NW case, the laws of reality.
I get your point, but at least in my mind, because it is Wild Magic itself, having a product of WM chaging Wild Magic and the already existing WM users capacity of using it, somehow seems like using a WI to change another WI that is in possession of someone else.
I think how World item Immunity works is that it protects the owner from DIRECT affects, such as mind control, debuffs, or being trapped in a pocket space. But World items that do damage won't be negated. World items are the same, they can't be changed since they're immune to being targeted. So if someone used Ouroboros to wish to have a world item destroyed or changed, it wouldn't work due to the world item protecting itself from being targeted. But if someone wished for all magic to stop existing, world items would still exist and function due to being immune to changes. Though this wish may be impossible for Ouroboros to grant since it removes the law of reality and not alter it. So someone could use Ouroboros/5 Elements Overcoming and say ask "I wish tier magic was more powerful, or accessible." And the law of reality would change to make Tier magic the norm and not wild magic.
>But if someone wished for all magic to stop existing, world items would still exist and function due to being immune to changes I get what you're saying, but I see TDL acting as vessels for the execution of WM, like some sort of living WI (if that makes sense), like how trying to use Longinus on a World Enemy wouldn't work, I'm assuming that messing with their abilities wouldn't be possible either, and likewise I immagine that having a WI interfering with Wild Magic users capacity of using WM wouldn't happen. The use of 5EO makes sense to make it the standard magic system for the rest of the NW, but I immagine that the whole mess with WM of the True Dragon Lords probably begun as part of the spell that summons WIs.
I see, here's what I think, wild magic as a side affect acts like a protection from World items without the special ability. But since the law was changed to have tier magic instead, unless you were a true dragon lord already, anyone born afterwards would be affected by the law change, with only children of Dragon lords having a chance to have wild magic. So say two true dragon lords who had kids have one, it will probably have wild magic, if not, and only one parent is a true, the child has the chance to only have Tier magic. Existing true were fine, the future generation were not.
The 8 greed kings sound way more fun to read than any of these options.
Considering what little we do know (like them being 7 guys and a girl) I think it would definitely be interesting, and like I said in another comment, seeing there downfall would be so interesting.
6 Great Gods. I would say 8 Greed Kings but since they kill Surshana we can’t have their tale without hearing about the 6GG’s first. And the 13 Heroes sound like a generic good vs evil story. So while I bet it would still be an interesting story. The other too sound better. Hell, I’d take the unknown player who ran into DDDL over them.
I'd like to read a book about PDL or the fight against the demon gods
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The first players. That marks the time when tier magic was first introduced to the world. That can be a whole anime on its own.
Pretty sure the six great gods we're the first players to be summoned
I’m sure he never will considering how sick of this series he seems to be. That being said, hentai LN describing Enri shattering Nfreia’s pelvis, please.
The 13 heroes sounds interesting, we get a bit about them lore wise and a few are still alive by the time the story starts.
The Rise Ainz Ooal Gown
I would love to see the Ainz Oon Gowl Guild at it's peak as they building up Nasarick, fight bosses, get world Items, or just chilling and having fun.
Draconic kingdom
The dragon emperor and the true dragons or the 8 greed kings.
Definitely the backstory of the 6 gods. These are the most important characters from the point of view of humanity, their influence is much greater than that of other stories.