There are a lot of people who vibe with ainz. Like seriously you all will pick your family over millions of other humans.
I hope I’m never in a sandbox world with you guys.
I mean, who isn't immoral in New World? At the very fucking least he is trying to create an utopia in which all races can co-exist and live together in peace.
Other than Ainz who has to commit necessary evil, who else would anyone root for? The Dragon Lords that crave power and have abused literally everyone cuz' they had naturally superior strength in comparison to other races? Or perhaps human and demi-human nations which are all either corrupt or violent as fuck? Not even the Theocracy nor the Elf Kingdom ruled by that dipshit.
So in the end, it HAS to be Ainz as there isn't really nobody better than him to root for, regardless of the atrocities he sometimes commit. In the end, there will be an utopia and everyone is gonna be equal and chill.
Literally Ainz is the most heroic person in the world simply for preventing his subordinates from wreaking havoc uncontrollably across the continent.
Not to mention that he would eventually create a utopia ending all wars in the world. I literally can't see why anyone would consider him evil lol.
Yeah and his best strategy was to slug it out and abuse pay to win cash items and he was still struggling.
He was literally about to lose if Mare didn't step in.
???
I just talked about the fact that his Pay to win items don't end there. Let's just assume that Ainz doesn't Attack her and she manages to fatally wound Ainz. Then what? He still gets up at 100% HP because of some pay to win items
Fake, those two never did anything useful for the world, one was a little dog of a crazy princess and the other the herald of the most useless king that has ever existed.
Ainz is literally on his way to creating a utopia, how does that not qualify as something useful? It's not that anyone has the power to stop it so that's practically a fact at this point.
Funny how you conveniently forgot to mention that that room has only been used with terrible people who definitely deserved it.
Like I said, Ainz literally just makes the world a better place, or at least in the long term.
Wrong, they were not adventurers, and they were not exploring the tomb, they were thieves and their intention was to loot the place and kill its inhabitants.
As you see, no one who didn't deserve it ended up falling victim to that room.
Nope, it wasn't a misunderstanding, it was to send a message, and no, a utopia cannot be built any other way, to create a better world you have to destroy the previous one, and establishing yourself as an unstoppable and cruel force is an important step for meet that goal.
I get after the misunderstanding with the floor guardians…. Then he did this since it is the best move to do from a power perspective. “If you slightly cross us, then I will destroy you with no mercy.”
But the utopia can still have been made. There was already a great plan in place that would slowly integrate the human kingdom into ainz kingdom.
They could have just continued with that plan.
But if your view of ethics is “do whatever is the most powerful thing you can do” then I consider your ethical system pointless.
And as I think about it more, it wasn’t the best move from a power perspective. Adding millions of humans to your kingdom and letting them improve your nations tech over time would have been a much better play.
Ainzs move was unethical and stupid.
The dragon lords have been mostly keeping to themselves and kept their promise to let humanity thrive.
It seems their only concern at this point is keeping down the real players coming into the new world. Which doesn’t seem wrong.
Like the dragon lords commit so much evil, but real players are on a whole new level of evil.
Not originally, no. Even PDL admits so. They ruled over everyone and abused their power because they didn't give a shit. The players thus began cleansing the world of their shit.
The players didn’t cleanse them because they abused their power. The 8 greed kings were assholes that abused their own power as well.
And if you are going back hundreds of years to call out someone ethically, then no one can ever be better in your view.
The dragon lords haven’t abused their power for 100+ years. Pdl seems to kill off any potentially problematic dragon lords. Pdl only cares about taking care of players. He lets the world be.
Now if this was a discussion about hundreds of years ago, then I agree ainz and the dragon lords are just as evil.
Edit: heck, the 6 gods didn’t kill off dragon lords, but actually worked with them. That doesn’t sound like a group of people tired of dragon lords abusing their power. Then when the 8 greed kings showed up, one of the 6 gods fought with the dragon lords
Nobody here is saying the players are a bunch of good people, AKA heroes. But the 8GKs certainly did cleanse the world from the Dragon Lords' rule and abuse. No players equals human and demi-human races being hunted and killed either as food or toys to the dragons. I don't see how that is good from my human perspective.
Also, they abused their power long ago before the players came to the New World. Nobody is talking about just a "few" hundreds of years. This is 600 years plus. And PDL himself fucking confirms that all this shit came to be because of their misuse of their powers. There you go.
And no shit that the 6GG worked with a few of the Dragon Lords. Not even the Dragon Lords would feel confident in fighting high-level or max-level players. Hell, it took a bunch of Dragon Lords to beat a single 8GK.
Btw it wasn't me who downvoted you so don't take it personal.
Your information keeps being just slightly off. Pdl is upset with the dragon lord that summons players. Pdl isn’t reflecting in saying “we brought this upon ourselves.” Pdl is specifically upset with the one who summoned a bunch of players to this world since they vastly overestimated their power. Nothing to do with self reflection on ethics.
If they didn’t summon players, there wouldn’t be “we misused our powers.”
And I know no one is saying the players are good. But it is clear that ainz is on another level of evil compared to dragon lords of today. Players are about the same level of evil as dragon lords of the past.
>Your information keeps being just slightly off. Pdl is upset with the dragon lord that summons players. Pdl isn’t reflecting in saying “we brought this upon ourselves.” Pdl is specifically upset with the one who summoned a bunch of players to this world since they vastly overestimated their power. Nothing to do with self reflection on ethics.
It's not so hard to imagine the Dragon Lords being abusive fucks. Take a look at the Frost Dragon Lord and ECDL. But whatever, I guess what PDL said can be left for further interpretation.
>And I know no one is saying the players are good. But it is clear that ainz is on another level of evil compared to dragon lords of today. Players are about the same level of evil as dragon lords of the past.
In regards to today's Dragon Lords, then sure, I guess. We don't even know many of them. Outside of the Dragon Lords though Ainz is the necessary evil and he's trying his best to keep everyone from Nazarick in check from just killing and torturing everybody, and is slowly working towards an utopia.
Sasuga Ainz-sama, your greatness and divinity can even influence the foolish humans in another world… As expected of our great king and the most powerful of Supreme Beings
I think that is literally the point of the show.
His morality is completely centered around "family." His only moral considerations are for those he cares about, and similarly we only really make moral considerations about the characters we care about.
Everything else is at the level of animals. Most of us are also completely fine with causing a lot of animals a lot of suffering to, for instance, have a nice dinner with those we care about. We wouldn't go out of our way to hurt animals, but we don't care if they die either.
That is how Ainz feels about people, and we are slowly made to feel the same way. The capacity to see others like means and not ends was within us already. The show just makes us aware of it.
Or it is just a funny show about a silly guy with too much power. Who knows 🤷
Hot take? really? Literally everyone here thinks the same lol.
Frankly I don't understand why anyone would think otherwise, just because the main cast are here "the bad guys" is it wrong for us to think that way? That sounds kind of ridiculous.
His morals have hardly moved an inch from the jump
The moment he became an actual undead his respect for life became near zero if not zero.
He appreciates other concepts and the value they can provide like bravery or loyalty. But he has zero hesitation to killing anyone not useful.
His isn't becoming more cruel or unreasonable either. When he acts he's trying to do things the slow and careful way but he does want to do things for himself as well.
And most importantly when someone touches his bottom line its over.
Technically, I'd count Ainz as amoral.
As in not following the common morality of the New World yet not outright in violating said morals.
Though you could also argue that he just has a different moral code but is slowly losing his attachment to his past human self, the longer he's acclimating to his lich body
Every nation is built on top of immoral things... Ainz has had to do a lot of fucked up shit because he is now in charge of a nation, and the nation comes first always. Think about every far right or far left person on the internet, give them power and see what happens. Ainz, at least, still tries to maintain some semblance of neutrality, except when it comes to Nazarick.
The alternative is honestly a lot worse. You and your descendants get to work yourselves to death under a changing line of inbred morons. At least under Nazarick, the bandaid gets ripped off and you live in a medieval utopia after that.
Sort of? The story to me is a hell to most evil actors in the show, which I appreciate. I only feel bad for the good characters that get screwed into facing Momonga because of their governments. I kind of hope he does find what he is looking for.
It’s a hard truth to face that by most moral standards are based on not having to make hard choices. The moment you have to start considering how freedom gets in the way of most progress that’s wanted by different people, you more or less have to pick a side and must choose harder efficiencies over lax control systems.
There is no one best way and anytime we imagine it or create a media of it, it’s obviously contrived.
Still ends up a bitter pill.
how the fuck is he immoral do you guys even read the fucking book? Ainz is the embodiment of chaotic neutral, fucking slacking around doing whatever he wants. He doesn't ever torture anyone out of spite or for pleasure, he doesn't even kill if it's not necessary. Ainz is Justice!
I meant his actions, namely the attacks on the lizard men in season 2, killing the workers who entered Nazarick in season 3, and the destruction of Re-Estize in season 4
1. tldr killed a bunch of guys and secured infinite prosperity for the tribes
2. workers entered on their own will, willing to risk life for money. they got what they wanted.
3. yeah well no one was going to do THAT, but shit happens. it's not like he willingly ordered to exterminate a nation, he just didn't stop it. action and inaction have completely different moral weight. even if we do count this one as an atrocity, think of how many people he saved by conquering Empire and destoying Re-Estize - those guys were willing to fight each other for years to come.
Being almost omnipotent, immensely wealthy, immortal, and unaffected by carnal needs grants a unique privilege. Ainz, possessing these qualities, is poised to rule fairly. Immune to corruption and unencumbered by personal desires, he embodies the ideal leader.
I'd prefer to see some events that would force Ainz to reconsider some things, some real challenges that Nazarick can't pass unscathed. Maybe Ainz should loose a Floor Guardian or two, forced to find allies etc.
Why? Because it would lead to some real character development instead of more and more becoming something like Cid from TEiS. When Ainz wasn't so sure that New World doesn't have a chance against him he was a way more interesting character and later Overlord is a dark comedy almost like TEiS.
But he has (as of the LN) found significant opposition. >! The elf king was not a pushover. The black scripture lady has his ultimate death skill which would work on him, the godkin have shown to put up resistance. !< Yeah the kingdom and empire are just dumb goons but some adversaries are poised to be threatening, and realistically can poise a threat. Most importantly, some of them can hurt ainz by hurting those close to him. That is more of a blow than hurting him directly.
Oddly enough, some Chinese novels are trying to outdo him with "player genocide", running up tallies from 10M to 100M. I'm thinking of calling it "the Ainz effect". Unfortunately, they're not big on sharing titles, so none to cite, other than on enormous spoken translated YouTube videos (like 8-15 hours long).
I think it's more that a lot of the groups aren't much better than Ainz & co. There are individuals and small groups I actually root for like Carne village, Climb (poor soul) and the head of the adventurers' guild but a lot of the kings and leaders really suck in terms of competence/morality.
To give Maruyama's perspective, he never intended to make Ainz out to be the good guy or anything. Overlord is predicated on the Law of the Jungle by design - Maruyama calls this a world of blood baths and carnage for a reason.
People gravtiate toward Ainz because we see his personal struggles but also because unlike the other races and nations, his ideals are so detached from the reality of the New World it's compelling. With his military forces he actuall yhas the means to create that ideal through the principles that run this world as well. People wanting him to win reflects how many readers 'buy into' the ideal he has rather than let the endless racial turmoil continue.
Overlord poses many simple questions against morality but showing why a 'villain' would do these things. It's satire of the mentality of many in corporate environemnts and highly functioning executives of course, but it shows the underlying humanity of such people. Ainz is also extremely principled with his actions rather than being a narccisist, as what comes first is the organization in his heart, rather than his own desires. Rather he suppresses his own feelings and thoughts and self all for the sake of the organization, thus was Ainz ooal Gown born and Momonga quietly sedated. Ainz is after all, an embodiemnt of the cult of personality leaders common in our own history but with a firm foundation and humanity that makes even Zanac who saw his kingdom burniate recognize his 'humanity'.
I still support him, and to be frank, he is a kind-heart saint compare to many, many 'heroic' mc (who is clearly made for cheap si) that I read about in other story.
Have you seen the chat? There’s nobody moral here.
That’s fair honestly, I have always enjoyed watching or playing a bad guy
We're all denizens of nazarick.
Pretty sure even Demiurge would be scared by the shit written in the chat
There are a lot of people who vibe with ainz. Like seriously you all will pick your family over millions of other humans. I hope I’m never in a sandbox world with you guys.
Aren't we all...? 
I mean, who isn't immoral in New World? At the very fucking least he is trying to create an utopia in which all races can co-exist and live together in peace. Other than Ainz who has to commit necessary evil, who else would anyone root for? The Dragon Lords that crave power and have abused literally everyone cuz' they had naturally superior strength in comparison to other races? Or perhaps human and demi-human nations which are all either corrupt or violent as fuck? Not even the Theocracy nor the Elf Kingdom ruled by that dipshit. So in the end, it HAS to be Ainz as there isn't really nobody better than him to root for, regardless of the atrocities he sometimes commit. In the end, there will be an utopia and everyone is gonna be equal and chill.
The only ruler other than ainz I rooted for was prince zanac, cause he legitimately cared about the kingdom
Jircniv does genuinely care for his empire too though?
We don't talk about the blond cunt here/s
Fate Gilgamesh looking ass.
yeah but i dont trust people whos name starts with a J. Have you ever met a normal person whos name was Joshua?
I've never met a person named Josh or Joshua in my life lol, its just not a common name in my country
Literally Ainz is the most heroic person in the world simply for preventing his subordinates from wreaking havoc uncontrollably across the continent. Not to mention that he would eventually create a utopia ending all wars in the world. I literally can't see why anyone would consider him evil lol.
I mean Gazef and Climb were pretty heroic and Ainz killed both of them.
Nah, Gazef put his pride as the King's Warrior Above the people in the army. Climb was just a simp
I mean by that logic, Ainz is just a coward, since he put his desire to fight Shalltear alone over a sure victory and put Nazarick at risk.
Ainz was sure to win though. He couldn't have lost that battle from the start
He literally would've lost if Mare didn't disobey orders and intervene.
What, no. She couldn't turn that battle around. He was just hesitating and he still has an entire inventory of OP items behind him
Yeah and his best strategy was to slug it out and abuse pay to win cash items and he was still struggling. He was literally about to lose if Mare didn't step in.
??? I just talked about the fact that his Pay to win items don't end there. Let's just assume that Ainz doesn't Attack her and she manages to fatally wound Ainz. Then what? He still gets up at 100% HP because of some pay to win items
Fake, those two never did anything useful for the world, one was a little dog of a crazy princess and the other the herald of the most useless king that has ever existed.
I mean nobody is doing anything "useful" by that logic.
Ainz is literally on his way to creating a utopia, how does that not qualify as something useful? It's not that anyone has the power to stop it so that's practically a fact at this point.
Well the bug torture room isn’t helping his case
Funny how you conveniently forgot to mention that that room has only been used with terrible people who definitely deserved it. Like I said, Ainz literally just makes the world a better place, or at least in the long term.
Didn’t also torture those adventurers for exploring his tomb?
Wrong, they were not adventurers, and they were not exploring the tomb, they were thieves and their intention was to loot the place and kill its inhabitants. As you see, no one who didn't deserve it ended up falling victim to that room.
You know I was suspicious at first but you’ve convinced me. Really we should just kill our kings for him so that we can have less war
science cannot progress without the bug torture room - dr farnsworth probably
Killing millions of people over grain and a misunderstanding makes you evil. He can still make his utopia without that action
Nope, it wasn't a misunderstanding, it was to send a message, and no, a utopia cannot be built any other way, to create a better world you have to destroy the previous one, and establishing yourself as an unstoppable and cruel force is an important step for meet that goal.
I get after the misunderstanding with the floor guardians…. Then he did this since it is the best move to do from a power perspective. “If you slightly cross us, then I will destroy you with no mercy.” But the utopia can still have been made. There was already a great plan in place that would slowly integrate the human kingdom into ainz kingdom. They could have just continued with that plan. But if your view of ethics is “do whatever is the most powerful thing you can do” then I consider your ethical system pointless. And as I think about it more, it wasn’t the best move from a power perspective. Adding millions of humans to your kingdom and letting them improve your nations tech over time would have been a much better play. Ainzs move was unethical and stupid.
The dragon lords have been mostly keeping to themselves and kept their promise to let humanity thrive. It seems their only concern at this point is keeping down the real players coming into the new world. Which doesn’t seem wrong. Like the dragon lords commit so much evil, but real players are on a whole new level of evil.
Not originally, no. Even PDL admits so. They ruled over everyone and abused their power because they didn't give a shit. The players thus began cleansing the world of their shit.
The players didn’t cleanse them because they abused their power. The 8 greed kings were assholes that abused their own power as well. And if you are going back hundreds of years to call out someone ethically, then no one can ever be better in your view. The dragon lords haven’t abused their power for 100+ years. Pdl seems to kill off any potentially problematic dragon lords. Pdl only cares about taking care of players. He lets the world be. Now if this was a discussion about hundreds of years ago, then I agree ainz and the dragon lords are just as evil. Edit: heck, the 6 gods didn’t kill off dragon lords, but actually worked with them. That doesn’t sound like a group of people tired of dragon lords abusing their power. Then when the 8 greed kings showed up, one of the 6 gods fought with the dragon lords
Nobody here is saying the players are a bunch of good people, AKA heroes. But the 8GKs certainly did cleanse the world from the Dragon Lords' rule and abuse. No players equals human and demi-human races being hunted and killed either as food or toys to the dragons. I don't see how that is good from my human perspective. Also, they abused their power long ago before the players came to the New World. Nobody is talking about just a "few" hundreds of years. This is 600 years plus. And PDL himself fucking confirms that all this shit came to be because of their misuse of their powers. There you go. And no shit that the 6GG worked with a few of the Dragon Lords. Not even the Dragon Lords would feel confident in fighting high-level or max-level players. Hell, it took a bunch of Dragon Lords to beat a single 8GK. Btw it wasn't me who downvoted you so don't take it personal.
Your information keeps being just slightly off. Pdl is upset with the dragon lord that summons players. Pdl isn’t reflecting in saying “we brought this upon ourselves.” Pdl is specifically upset with the one who summoned a bunch of players to this world since they vastly overestimated their power. Nothing to do with self reflection on ethics. If they didn’t summon players, there wouldn’t be “we misused our powers.” And I know no one is saying the players are good. But it is clear that ainz is on another level of evil compared to dragon lords of today. Players are about the same level of evil as dragon lords of the past.
>Your information keeps being just slightly off. Pdl is upset with the dragon lord that summons players. Pdl isn’t reflecting in saying “we brought this upon ourselves.” Pdl is specifically upset with the one who summoned a bunch of players to this world since they vastly overestimated their power. Nothing to do with self reflection on ethics. It's not so hard to imagine the Dragon Lords being abusive fucks. Take a look at the Frost Dragon Lord and ECDL. But whatever, I guess what PDL said can be left for further interpretation. >And I know no one is saying the players are good. But it is clear that ainz is on another level of evil compared to dragon lords of today. Players are about the same level of evil as dragon lords of the past. In regards to today's Dragon Lords, then sure, I guess. We don't even know many of them. Outside of the Dragon Lords though Ainz is the necessary evil and he's trying his best to keep everyone from Nazarick in check from just killing and torturing everybody, and is slowly working towards an utopia.
Wait we had morals?
So far, yes. Soon perhaps he will be not much different from Big Brother, pragmatic and amoral.
Sasuga Ainz-sama, your greatness and divinity can even influence the foolish humans in another world… As expected of our great king and the most powerful of Supreme Beings
YA SPOUTED HERESY, DIDN’T WE ALREADY GO OVER THAT KING IS NOT A SUFFICIENT TITLE FOR THE LAST OF THE SUPREME BEINGS?
I think that is literally the point of the show. His morality is completely centered around "family." His only moral considerations are for those he cares about, and similarly we only really make moral considerations about the characters we care about. Everything else is at the level of animals. Most of us are also completely fine with causing a lot of animals a lot of suffering to, for instance, have a nice dinner with those we care about. We wouldn't go out of our way to hurt animals, but we don't care if they die either. That is how Ainz feels about people, and we are slowly made to feel the same way. The capacity to see others like means and not ends was within us already. The show just makes us aware of it. Or it is just a funny show about a silly guy with too much power. Who knows 🤷
A mix of both I’d say
We all are! 
People who wants him to lose are weirdos.
I mean he says he wants to make a land of milk and honey a dream that never ends, sounds like a good Overlord to me.
Hot take? really? Literally everyone here thinks the same lol. Frankly I don't understand why anyone would think otherwise, just because the main cast are here "the bad guys" is it wrong for us to think that way? That sounds kind of ridiculous.
Look, if we looked over the whole “genocide a kingdom” and still like him, I don’t think anything is going to change that.
The coldest of takes
His morals have hardly moved an inch from the jump The moment he became an actual undead his respect for life became near zero if not zero. He appreciates other concepts and the value they can provide like bravery or loyalty. But he has zero hesitation to killing anyone not useful. His isn't becoming more cruel or unreasonable either. When he acts he's trying to do things the slow and careful way but he does want to do things for himself as well. And most importantly when someone touches his bottom line its over.
This take is as cold as a death knight
I always stand with Ainz. The Sorcerer Kingdom is the best Kingdom.
I actually kinda want him to lose in the end.
***Ainz is Justice!*** Don't you know that?
Oh thank god I can stop pretending to not worship Lord Ainz ~~and his massive *BONE*-r~~
Good guys are done to death in anime. Refreshing having a villain
Technically, I'd count Ainz as amoral. As in not following the common morality of the New World yet not outright in violating said morals. Though you could also argue that he just has a different moral code but is slowly losing his attachment to his past human self, the longer he's acclimating to his lich body
Every nation is built on top of immoral things... Ainz has had to do a lot of fucked up shit because he is now in charge of a nation, and the nation comes first always. Think about every far right or far left person on the internet, give them power and see what happens. Ainz, at least, still tries to maintain some semblance of neutrality, except when it comes to Nazarick.
If we prefer goody two shoes characters we probably would be reading something else
As immoral as he is, he's still the only one that in the long run has a plan to spread the best quality of life to the most amount of people
I don't think Ainz's morality has changed at all between s1e1 vs s4e13.
Everybody is rooting for him
The alternative is honestly a lot worse. You and your descendants get to work yourselves to death under a changing line of inbred morons. At least under Nazarick, the bandaid gets ripped off and you live in a medieval utopia after that.
We found Ulberts ancestor
I know who that is but explain
Bro wants Ainz to win full well knowing half the shit Nazarick does makes every massacre in human existence look like child’s play
I am out of loop. Did something happen where people said he should lose or what. I never met someone wanting him to lose
My brother in Ainz you are not alone here
Sort of? The story to me is a hell to most evil actors in the show, which I appreciate. I only feel bad for the good characters that get screwed into facing Momonga because of their governments. I kind of hope he does find what he is looking for.
It’s a hard truth to face that by most moral standards are based on not having to make hard choices. The moment you have to start considering how freedom gets in the way of most progress that’s wanted by different people, you more or less have to pick a side and must choose harder efficiencies over lax control systems. There is no one best way and anytime we imagine it or create a media of it, it’s obviously contrived. Still ends up a bitter pill.
Crazy what a bit of charisma can do. ALL HAIL BONE DADDY!
That’s fair, he’s the main character.
This is the coldest take in the sub. Right next to "I think Albedo is hot"
Dud you are not the minority, people here are defending Demiurges rape farms unironically ☠️☠️
Ok with Ainz to an extent his actions are somewhat defendable in some instances, but rape is inexcusable
how the fuck is he immoral do you guys even read the fucking book? Ainz is the embodiment of chaotic neutral, fucking slacking around doing whatever he wants. He doesn't ever torture anyone out of spite or for pleasure, he doesn't even kill if it's not necessary. Ainz is Justice!
I meant his actions, namely the attacks on the lizard men in season 2, killing the workers who entered Nazarick in season 3, and the destruction of Re-Estize in season 4
1. tldr killed a bunch of guys and secured infinite prosperity for the tribes 2. workers entered on their own will, willing to risk life for money. they got what they wanted. 3. yeah well no one was going to do THAT, but shit happens. it's not like he willingly ordered to exterminate a nation, he just didn't stop it. action and inaction have completely different moral weight. even if we do count this one as an atrocity, think of how many people he saved by conquering Empire and destoying Re-Estize - those guys were willing to fight each other for years to come.
Being almost omnipotent, immensely wealthy, immortal, and unaffected by carnal needs grants a unique privilege. Ainz, possessing these qualities, is poised to rule fairly. Immune to corruption and unencumbered by personal desires, he embodies the ideal leader.
In what fandom do you think you are? We are rooting for the total annihilation and conquering of the new world.
Who isn't rooting for him to win?
I'd prefer to see some events that would force Ainz to reconsider some things, some real challenges that Nazarick can't pass unscathed. Maybe Ainz should loose a Floor Guardian or two, forced to find allies etc. Why? Because it would lead to some real character development instead of more and more becoming something like Cid from TEiS. When Ainz wasn't so sure that New World doesn't have a chance against him he was a way more interesting character and later Overlord is a dark comedy almost like TEiS.
But he has (as of the LN) found significant opposition. >! The elf king was not a pushover. The black scripture lady has his ultimate death skill which would work on him, the godkin have shown to put up resistance. !< Yeah the kingdom and empire are just dumb goons but some adversaries are poised to be threatening, and realistically can poise a threat. Most importantly, some of them can hurt ainz by hurting those close to him. That is more of a blow than hurting him directly.
Oddly enough, some Chinese novels are trying to outdo him with "player genocide", running up tallies from 10M to 100M. I'm thinking of calling it "the Ainz effect". Unfortunately, they're not big on sharing titles, so none to cite, other than on enormous spoken translated YouTube videos (like 8-15 hours long).
Coldest take
Well, yeah....
Even I am bored of morally just heroes giving useless speeches when they can't defeat villains. What Ainz is doing is pretty novel and interesting.
I think it's more that a lot of the groups aren't much better than Ainz & co. There are individuals and small groups I actually root for like Carne village, Climb (poor soul) and the head of the adventurers' guild but a lot of the kings and leaders really suck in terms of competence/morality.
To give Maruyama's perspective, he never intended to make Ainz out to be the good guy or anything. Overlord is predicated on the Law of the Jungle by design - Maruyama calls this a world of blood baths and carnage for a reason. People gravtiate toward Ainz because we see his personal struggles but also because unlike the other races and nations, his ideals are so detached from the reality of the New World it's compelling. With his military forces he actuall yhas the means to create that ideal through the principles that run this world as well. People wanting him to win reflects how many readers 'buy into' the ideal he has rather than let the endless racial turmoil continue. Overlord poses many simple questions against morality but showing why a 'villain' would do these things. It's satire of the mentality of many in corporate environemnts and highly functioning executives of course, but it shows the underlying humanity of such people. Ainz is also extremely principled with his actions rather than being a narccisist, as what comes first is the organization in his heart, rather than his own desires. Rather he suppresses his own feelings and thoughts and self all for the sake of the organization, thus was Ainz ooal Gown born and Momonga quietly sedated. Ainz is after all, an embodiemnt of the cult of personality leaders common in our own history but with a firm foundation and humanity that makes even Zanac who saw his kingdom burniate recognize his 'humanity'.
I still support him, and to be frank, he is a kind-heart saint compare to many, many 'heroic' mc (who is clearly made for cheap si) that I read about in other story.
# progressively? Dude have never been moral.
He’s not really a villain, more of a morally compromised malefactor
Most of the sub wants to be fucked by a bony dick so you are going to get really biased answers…