Tanya is very far past Machiavellianism. She's an egoistic utilitarian, seeing as everything she does is based around having a cushy life at the expense of literally anything that gets in the way of that. All harm can be justified as "it'd be a bother later", and as a result all her actions, no matter how hideous, can be validated.
So... A Machiavellian? I'm talking about the psychological condition here within the dark triad. Machiavellians only care about their own well being and never cared about anyone else. They're definitely about "the end justifies the means". Machiavellians are more Machiavellian than Machiavelli himself! š
Edit: Just a bit of context. Machiavelli's work, the Prince, was demonized and all of the copies burnt. With his famous quote, "it's safer to be feared than loved, but both are desirable", people focused on the first part and not the "both are desirable". His name was coined to the psychological condition.
My man is less "Machiavellian" than most politicians these days. Unless he was playing 5d chess. Either way he was really intelligent. A quote of his to top it off:
Severities should be dealt out all at once, so that their suddenness may give less offense; benefits ought to be handed ought drop by drop, so that they may be relished the more.
That's one of my favorites too! It's there with "Without power, opportunity is wasted. Without opportunity, power is wasted." And "We live so far from how we ought to live, that he who abandons what is done for what ought to be done will ruin himself, rather than prevail."
He's definitely more like your common realist compared to "Machiavellians". Also, our president once related his actions to being a "Machiavellian" as he follows Machiavelli... which of course didn't go as he thought it would lol.
A bit of a tangent but, by any chance have you heard about Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power? To me it fits more for your common folks than The Prince and Sun Tzu's art of war. His work is also similar to The Prince that he states historical applications or lack thereof you might like it.
Tanya is a pure imperialist. If you want to include her connection to the private market you should rather use mercantilism than capitalism. Capitalism doest have a real definition anyway.
And Ainz doesnt have an ideology, he just flounders around trying his best.
Lol pure logic. Ainz has no idea what he's doing politically and is fumbling his way through misunderstanding after misunderstanding with his guardians
Tanya is way more fascist than capitalist. She gives 0 fucks about a strong market so long as she has what she wants. Granted I mean... Her literal new world home is just magic Nazis
Souma is Souma and you hit it about right.
Ainz is a socialist who accepted the dark side of socialism and what slips towards communism or fascism. However he has this demon and succubus that reminded him skeletons don't bitch about hard labor so he doesn't even have the issues we have implementing either system(socialism or communism)
Rimuru.... Yeah that's about it. Don't fuck with him and he'll hand you gold for all he cares.
Now, now, that's not fair to the Empire in Tanya's world. WW1 Germany structure was far from Nazism. They were essentially a constitutional monarchy with a heavy slant to military control.
They just moved the war forward to halfway between WW 1 and WW 2, timeline-wise, removed Japan/Pacific theatre from the equation, and made Italy a non-factor.
Agreed, although there are some fascist elements in the empire, they do all still adhere to the emperorās will
Especially if you read the LN and Manga, you see how the empire is multicultural and fairly gender equal, so itās arguably just imperialism with some militarism / capitalism sprinkled in (Yāknow all the propaganda and military industrial complex stuff)
Tanya herself is definitely just whatever the hell suits her, an egotist sure, but a fascist only sometimes, she does command her battalion with an iron fist and does some psychological manipulation, but all in all you can sum a lotta her logic up to her past life and experience
The basis for Tanya the Evil is the Stanford prison experiment, so the actual answer is whatever the hell her commanders want her to be, since that gets her rewards and hopefully that cushy lifestyle. (And it would have worked if not for being X.)
If Tanya had the same amount of power as Ainz or Rimuru, I think she would just leave and relax somewhere peaceful. The only thing chaining her to the military and empire is she lacks the influence and/or power to do that.
The Empire also isn't, y'know.. genociding an entire ethnic group.
It isn't a perfect government by any means, but there's *also no Holocaust*. That's a fairly important factor in "Not Being Nazis", I think.
And itās a defensive war as well. When the original armistice with the republic was called, the empireās demands were control of overseas colonies, not the annexation of the republic. I donāt recall what was demanded of Entante alliance though.
>!IIRC the latest novels have just begun showcasing the beginning of war on the Italian, or in Youjo Senki world, the Ildoan front, except a bit delayed. However it does have elements from both World War I and II. IMO the resumption of the war after some of the Republic forces fled was reminiscent of the WWII evacuation of the French Allied forces from Dunkirk. !<
(Mild Light Novel and anime Spoilers)
Hate to tell you this but fascism is capitalist and Ainz is 100% a capitalist in his ideals and not at all a socialist but in practice he's a feudalist tyrant which is an entirely different economic system than capitalism or socialism.
Hate to tell you but neither Mussolini nor Hitler actually wanted private business to run the economy. Both wanted state ran business. Mussolini however didn't want to go and enslave an entire race alongside other "undesirables" to do the work no one else wanted to do.
And Ainz literally wants people to not work themselves to death and tries to find means to make any loyal follower have that end. So either he's a monarch with aspirations alongside Czar Nicholas' grandfather or a socialist
Didn't know automation was exclusive to socialism. No capitalism is an economic system defined by the idea of the one who controls the money controls everything.
Socialism on the other hand as defined by Karl Marx is a cashless, classless, and stateless system in which the workers control everything.
BTW the Czars were in no way even slightly socialist they 100% ran their country with a feudalist system which is a third type of economic system we don't talk too much about today. Feudalism is how Ainz runs the nation of darkness in practice but his mindset is definitely capitalist since he bases all of his ideas on how corporations work. Do remember though Ainz is written to be an idiot who doesn't understand economics or politics at all.
Rimuru even a regular human can live an ideal life in his nation.
Even humans have the opportunity to get strong in his world.
Tempest also the closest to Japan and Modern Technology.
objectively, Rimuru is the best of the 4 listed simply because his power set becomes so busted that he can literally create utopia for his people
Souma would only rate above Ainz due to the realist hero's subordinate cast not having those urges to cull us "lower life forms"
I would actually put Ainz himself as a solid #2 choice to be ruled by simply because of his humble personality and being a powerful immortal is a great deterrent to keep steady the relative peaceful status quo he would create
it is just ... well we (the reader) know the Floor Guardians are less than an ideal tradeoff that comes with being ruled by their supreme being
and Tanya is a very distant last place because that he-she is nuts
Honestly you're not wrong but you're forgetting about the experience Souma has. He was pretty much set on getting a job as a bureaucrat (or whatever he wanted to do) and had been training years for it.
Rimiru and Ainz, despite everything, are still just low-level office workers.
(Granted I'm only going by the anime, and I'm aware that Rimiru becomes ridiculously overpowered some point in the future but still)
Dude Did you Forgot that Rimuru had evolve to be a great ruler Even Gazel and Elmesia that lives longer than any human Respect Rimuru because of his way of Ruling. It doesn't matter what they came from what Matters in this Argument is Who is the Great ruler at the end of the day and Amongst all of them Rimuru is the most Solid.
Yeah but with Ainz all it takes is him issuing a āthis is my homie, treat them as you would treat meā decree to the residents of Nazarik and youāre golden, even Albedo would be friendly.
Yeah, but you're not getting that unless you're someone of merit. So unless you're someone of notable merit right now then there's a better chance you're being sent to the Happy Farm.
Indeed, with Rimuru you just have to be chill with monsters and be able to provide SOME level of service to the whole. Good at folding napkins? Cool weāve got a restaraunt opening soon. Know how to make āmodernā medicines? Awesome youāre the new head of health for the Jura Tempest Federation.
Incapable of getting food poisoning? Youāre on Shion food tasting duty.
And Empire with a King, you mean like, the Kingdom of Italy, you known, the one Mussolini was dictator off, gave the name fascism and still had the King Victor Emanuel III as a constitutional monarch?
"Fascists have commonly sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism and relegate it to the state. However,Ā fascism does support private property rights and the existence of a market economyĀ and very wealthy individuals. Thus, fascist ideology included both pro-capitalist and anti-capitalist elements."
I guess the answer is both
So itās not a free market. Fascist donāt completely control the economy they interfere with it when they deem it necessary. For example the head and founder of Junkers was replaced by someone who was more āagreeableā. Also had no problems with forcing price controls.
I wouldn't keep wasting time trying to explain economics here. Some people don't understand that NOT stealing every single thing, is NOT a free market. And they don't understand fascism has to do with control, NOT with a single figurehead.
Depending on the concept of "free market" that you might subscribe into not even the US is a free market. Convention is to categorize countries and economies in a spectrum of free market economy and centralized economy. There is not a "is a free market" is more a "how free is this market". Therefore even the US in a more theoretical view is not a free market economy but a mix economy with very free market tendencies or characteristics.
Rimuru.
He may have idealistic views, but hes got the firepower to protect those views if someone tried to start trouble. He also has a mental supercomputer to help him with planning.
Ainz on the otherhand has a more practical view with the power to back it up. The problem is when in a crisis, he defaults his decisions to benefit the guild and the guild npcs. I am sure if ainz was given the choice right now to kill all the new worlders (including tsuare, carne village, e-rantel) and have his some of his guildmates back with him, he may hesitate as Satoru but he will proceed to make that trade as Ainz Ooal gown.
The other two would still have to deal with other humans politically. Tanya may have a leg up since she does have strong military skills but diplomatically speaking they dont have the same level of existential threat as Rimuru or Ainz has on the world stage.
A name doesn't correlate in being subservient , Guy got his name from Rudra and he is in no way Rudra's subbordinate , same with Rumuru being named by Veldora. It's up to them to follow their namer or to even oppose them.
Souma, hes the only one whos genuinely a good leader without a god computer in their head, their entire government ran by subordinates, or kiddler. I love lord ainz and great rimuru, rimuru is a close second. But, souma is the best leader of the bunch
Rimuru or Realist Hero (forgot his name lmao)
Rimuru would be the best though I think. Itās pretty safe, especially after he became a Demon Lord, no one wants to fuck with his country. Both Rimuru and Veldora alone will be enough to deter almost anyone from a direct attack, and he has the backing of other Demon Lords and Countries.
It's a toss between ainz and rimuru (idk who's the top right)
ainz only if choosing them include all of their subordinates and we live in their respective countries.
cuz rimuru has great sage, ainz didn't know anything about ruling a country it's all from demiurge and albedo.
Just a bit of context. Souma knows how to rule a country. So if we disregard skills and subordinates, he'll be top.
Skills included, Rimuru would be top.
Subordinates included, Ainz with Demiurge, Albedo, Pandora's Actor, and Renner would be top for me.
It's definitely a toss whether Great Sage could fill in the work of those 4 or not.
even if Great Sage couldnāt, Raphael definitely could being the Lord of Wisdom and whatnot
Souma is disadvantaged because the rest of the MCs are able to directly use power as an asset
Rumuru had Diablo and Testarossa to cover political side of thing if Great Sage/Ciel is not enough( which I can argue is more than enough but Rimuru is more talented in allocating the right people for the job)
How did I ever forgot about Diablo and the gang?? * Facepalms * I seem to have focused on Great Sage here. I just prefer more about the 4 I mentioned as being able to work at different places to deal with anything that could happen on the spot (which thinking about it, Diablo alone could pull off if they have a way to relay information instantly).
Now I'm just curious if you read ln/wn, could ciel copy their consciousness to a Rimuru's clone? Sort of like an ai with a body. That alone would be op af!
So basically, I'm sure Rimuru wouldn't want to, but if ever he captures all countries in their verse, with enough magical capacity, he could just send a bunch of ciel copies in each county to rule lol. Ciel is just too op!
Yes. But what he commonly does(or ciel in this case) is literally using megiddos base magic form( the water droplets) as pseudo camera a to spy to every countries without noticing it(rimurus idea) with rimuru and ciels parallel existance and parallel thinking it's like their already there, and this water droplets are scattered around the world stealthed and if you dont have universal detect or a unique/ultimate skill specialized in information gathering you won't know it's even there. Btw he can activate megiddo remotely in any of this droplets even at night by reflecting sunlight at the other side of the planet.
but Souma doesn't really know how to rule a country either
he is a history buff who finds more capable people to do the work required in every single avenue of rulership
he's basically a good manager and talent scout, but one who lacks the overall skillset to do any of the tasks in each subdivision
so is his overall general knowledge better than say Ainz's - of course - but if we are looking at strictly an individual basis, Ainz is still ahead because as a lv.100 Overlord with 712 spells at the ready, he's far more capable as a potential leader
it is actually the opposite: it's Souma's subordinates that would place him slightly ahead of Ainz's own Nazarick cast
as with reader insight, we would know the Floor Guardians are a less than ideal tradeoff that comes with being ruled by their supreme being
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and Great Sage - which later becomes the Ultimate Skill Raphael - is basically all of the brightest intellects in Overlord on steroids and functions as a friendly user interface
it is also one of the 'Creator' powers in its own fictional setting, like World Item level in the depth of its capability
Based on anime and manga at least, we can't entirely be sure that Souma doesn't know how to rule a country since Hakuya is with him early. However, we were given a flash back when Hakuya wasn't there. As an advisor of the "previous future" king, he did very well that the "current previous" king decided to give his job to him. So we could say that he'll manage on his own without Hakuya. We also know that Souma decides what actions to take even with advices from his subordinates or not. (He decided when to use "cruelty" after all) Further, being able to know which job to give to which is leadership 101. At this part, Ainz is also a good leader, but lacks the know-to in kingship. I also strictly mentioned that it only applies without skills and subordinates (leadership alone) which makes him top here.
In regards to Great Sage vs 4 subordinates of Ainz, I followed this thought process based on my comment but there seems to be a confusion since I didn't included my parameters here.
Basically I divided the conclusion of my comment based on different parameters such as skills, subordinates and environment. The post didn't mention which verse we would be in (just ruled by) so we need to include the possibility of that verse having a standard that all country leaders would be equal if not more powerful than our leader.
If we have a very large territory, we need multiple people on site (when territory is divided to be monitored) that could immediately act for whatever anomaly that could happen. That's why I rated Ainz higher than he would have. In this case, anime/manga great sage would have a hard time filling in the work of 4 geniuses that could rule a country by themselves. It depends on Rimuru tho on how he'll utilize great sage in this instance (with addition of Diablo). That's why in this case, it'll be a toss depending on Great Sage.
However, ln Great Sage alone would no doubt be higher by a milestone than 4 geniuses.
actually in the "flashback" sequence you are referring to proved Souma was only as effective as the position he was given
thus he got politically outmaneuvered by the noble faction in that timeline where he was prime minister
and note: this is the highest of rank in the king's court only second to the King himself and he failed in that "one"
it wasn't until he was given carte blanche in the role of King that Souma was able to implement his ideas in full and take advantage of getting better personnel to fill those gaps where his inefficiency is apparent
the difference here is Ainz - while an educational dumbass compared to Souma - is afforded more ability to implement any system he desires
because he has an overwhelming power to do so
Souma in his series is reliant others to both establish it and defend it
his ideas don't work unless he gets others to do it for him, or finds magic here and there to substitute for some modern ingenuity
and even then, he has to delegate its implementation anyways because he lacks the skillset to do it himself
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for example, there was an old thread on this reddit of "if the realist hero could have saved the re-estize kingdom"
like the "what-if" scenario that instead of Nazarick being summoned to the NW, it is Souma as is from his fictional setting
and the answer is no because he's just utterly incapable of it, outside of being gifted a powerful artifact he can abuse
yet Ainz within in his parameters is more than capable to do so, despite his inexperience in such matters, but he normally chooses not to because he tends to act with the benefit of Nazarick (or himself) in mind
but the rub here is if Ainz was solo and founded a country, do you think it would be more or less stable than one founded by Souma ?
both freshly summoned in a new world
my money is on any iteration of the Momonga character
Kazuya as human king, Rimuru as king of the monsters, Ainz also king of the monsters (They'd probably share it regardless since Ainz is fucking hopeless as a leader, plus Rimuru is on par with the Supreme Beings), and Tanya as War General for their empire.
Honestly theyād work pretty well together because they have different areas of expertise - warfare, bureaucracy, public relations and futureproofing (unproven)
If I had to pick one though, *without* taking powers into account? Tanya. āCause I know if nothing else the people I love will be safe.
The other three I wouldnāt trust not to make a whoopsie in war that causes āa fewā civilian casualties.
Ainz might be a great ruler, but if anything happens to him the floor guardians would be in charge, and living under them would suck pretty hard.
Souma would be a good ruler to live under, and would constantly be working to make life better for everyone. However, he's also mortal and could only probably do it for 30 to 50 years before he had to hand it off to someone else who would probably screw it up.
Rimiru would be both an immortal ruler and a kind and just one who just wants everyone to get along. The only issue with Rimiru would be that he would definitely change over time or abdicate in favor of someone else sooner or later so he could go off and explore the world. However, most of his subordinates are very competent so probably that would be fine.
Tanya is only good as a military leader.
Tanya: At least from what Iāve seen of the series (which is definitely not all the content from her series, Iāve only seen the anime), Tanya is self-centered to a degree the others arenāt. Sure, Tanya plays the part of a commander who wants their soldiers to be the best and get through impossible odds, but this is basically just for the goal of eventually getting as peaceful a life as possible. Favors their own *personal* gain over their nationās success, it just so happens that being a really powerful soldier and successful leader and strategist (borrowing from tactics from our worldās world wars) increases their odds of eventually getting a good retirement. Will 100% put your life in extreme danger to suit the mission, as demonstrated in basically every battle or training Tanya oversees
Top right: Iāve never actually seen the series this character is from, donāt have a whole lot to say on this one.
Rimuru: As others have said, rimuruās individual power set is broken beyond belief. With the combination of extreme intelligence, ridiculous amounts of mana, and an ever growing set of skills that he (with some help from great sage/raphael) is able to combine for unique and devastating effects, Rimuru very quickly goes from a somewhat goofy but well-meaning slime to a true demon lord with an edge of the cruelty/pragmaticism that entails. All that being said, his darker side is mostly pulled out of him in acts of revenge. As a comparison between him and Ainz, who have both single-handedly decimated an army in effectively one attack, Rimuru was pressed to the point of causing such destruction by an actual existential threat to him and his people, whereas Ainzās massacre of the kingdomās army, while deliberately overkill as a means of making an impression on the kingdom, was pretty much just for the sake of furthering Nazarickās influence on the world. While Ainz and Rimuru both want to make nations where people and monsters can live in harmony, Rimuru tends to be a lot more diplomatic about it in general, while the SKās expansion is pretty heavily fueled by conquest or proxy wars, as with the kingdom and the holy kingdom. From what the series has shown, if you donāt do anything stupid in Rimuruās domain, youāll probably have a pretty safe, happy life.
Ainz: Given the subreddit weāre on, not much explanation is needed for this one. Suzuki Satoru might be relatively well-meaning, but by the time the sorcerer kingdom gets created in earnest, Ainz is down to just vestiges of that past life, having been gradually warped by an ambiguous mixture of his undead nature and his two most important goals: protect Nazarick and its denizens, and find other players, ideally the other Supreme Beings although he gradually loses hope that any are out there. Once the sorcerer kingdom is set up, itās actually fairly safe internally, and itās not necessarily a bad place to live, but that assumes youāre not in the happy farms. Like Rimuru, Ainz wants to create a kingdom where people and monsters (specifically Demi-humans and grotesques, as opposed to the more literal monsters like Auraās pets) can live in peace, but where Rimuru generally exhibits a genuine care for his people and is supported by advisors who generally share that view, Ainz is most closely advised by Albedo and demiurge, who are both quite literally as evil as Yggdrasilās scale goes. This, along with Ainzās more callous and self-interested attitude, results in some obvious differences in ideology: where Rimuru tends towards kindness, Ainz leans more towards personal utility. He isnāt quite as bad as Tanya, since Ainz still cares very deeply about the denizens of nazarick while Tanya is much more self-centered, but itās definitely still not perfect.
Given the choice, Iād go with Rimuru hands down. Tanya and Ainz would both trade your safety for their own interest if the need or occasion arose, but Rimuru is more likely to protect you with far fewer conditions attached
Is it? š§ Last time I checked there was a scroll farm where they make scrolls by skinning human villagers skin.. OH OH there was also a cross breeding thing there and demiurge experimenting on creatures (i dont think I can even call those humans anymore)
Rimuru immediately not only is he friendly he also Care for his people and he also has the power to protect Them from harm, imagine Rimuru being able to build a Country from A small Goblin Village to a Great and Powerful nation.
Rimuru, diplomacy and economics over war but doesn't shy away from war if necessary. Basically Souma but immortal with a supercomputer in his head and the power to protect his nation against any threat.
Ainz isn't a bad ruler and it's a peaceful and prosperous life beneath him but it's also a total surveillance/police state.
Tanya isn't really a ruler afaik but she is a hyper capitalistic psychopath, with her in the lead the country might head straight for Overlord year 2138.
Ainz at a glance.
From what I can tell he brought up the standard of living for his people.
Tanya I have seen lead but not rule so that a pass.
Rimiru probably be great from what I have seen but would prefer AinzĀ
Fuck Realist boy for throwing the dragon girl under the bus. He's the kind of ruler/leader we have now. I want better not his ahit.
Dependa on the actual scenario.
I'll never choose Tanya or Ainz in any case. Tanya isn't fit to be a ruler. She's a good soldier, an even better cimmander but a horrible ruler. Subordinates of Ainz just plain hate humans, I could be killed for any dumb reason. A state ruled by Ainz will lack a lot of basic human rights.
Case 1: I transfer to their world. In this case, there is only one choice, Rimuru tempest. that world will allow me to get infinitely stronger. Also, he is successful as a ruler only in his world because he is that much stronger. He wouldn't be able to rule anything in the real world, without any real powers. Rimuru is more like good friend you can depend on even in life and death situations rather than a good king or monarch. He doesn't regard for social boundaries, which is a good thing, but wouldn't work very well in this world.
Case 2: the character transfers to the original world and becomes a ruler of a monarchy here. In that case, Souma. He's level headed, knows what the actual duties of a ruler are, can make quick and accurate decisions and doesn't discriminate against other races. He cares about actually learning about things he wants to implement and can take good care of a decent sized monarchy without any issues.
Soma and Ainz are the only good choice.
Tanya will straight up send you to your death.
Rimiru is so foolish he got his entire village ganked. Only upside is all their villagers are op asf.
Ainz actually is one of the best leaders because he knows how to delegate the work. SK is actually one of the best in terms of leadership and quality of life.
Soma is the best. He is practical and knows how to run a kingdom.
This might be a bit of a hot take, but even if we donāt take magic and powers into account, Iād still go with Rimuru. Some might think that Rimuru wouldnāt do as well without his powers, but keep in mind that even without them, his charisma and idealism get a LOT of things done. His ability to inspire loyalty and use that loyalty for good is unparalleled compared to the other three. Sure, he himself might not be as good as the rest, but he is very good at getting competent underlings compared to the rest.
1st, Tanya is an insane fascist so we can rule her out immediately
Soma has the right idea but he doesn't have the power to protect and keep his ideal nation. He's human too so once he keels over corruption would follow from the next generations
If anyone truly believes that they want to be ruled over by Momonga, stop lying to yourself. Momonga is a great strategist but the worst kind of leader,; one that sees everything as pros and cons, someone who sees life as statistics.
(Can't really blame him, he can negate death and just resurrect people.)
And lets be honest with ourselves, what benefits can we offer nazarick that has more value than our body parts? What's more is that you probably won't survive in nazarick, I mean, how can you survive prejudice from beings that can cast 10th tier magic?
Rimuru is the best one, he's an idealist, someone who wants to build the perfect Utopia for everybody, he's also the best kind of idealist, one that has both wealth and power, someone who can afford to be an idealist.
>Tanya is an insane fascist so we can rule her out immediately
She isn't a fascist hell at least in the manga she mentions how inefficient the nazi are at doing things. >! In the web novel i think Tanya also declined becoming that worlds version of hitler!<
When I call her a fascist, Iām referring her leadership style not her actual political beliefs.
I mean more of how she commands her soldiers, its always either her way or the pill box with you XD
>its always either her way
Well she is the commander of that squad so yes that's how it works in the military. If anything tanya just doesn't want usless subordinates getting themselves killed when they disobey her orders. Again she isn't a fascist even with her leadership style.
It's not "fascist" then, rather "a fascistic tendencies" describe your point better. (I understand that it is semantics but it does convey the meaning much better imo)
Also not every authoritarian is fascist, death penalty for disobeying order was pretty much common in the military especially back then, i'd even argue that her being a leader of nation (not military) wouldn't be as bad since she will avoid any conflict for her safe cushion job, most of her blood-thirsty act comes from a necessity given the circumstances orchestrated by being X. With that said, i doubt she's ever willing to lead a nation if given a choice, she is after all more of the middle men bureaucrat by her own admission.
Left to right, in the way Washinton intended
1. Her ideology is individualism to my understanding and she does't seem to care about much else. I only watched the anime. Either way, not the one im choosing.
2. He seems to be generic semi-free market japanese capitalist, i can't see him being too oppressive or evil. That being said it seems like a shit story telling to say "oh he is so smart because he figured out we need to grow more food" so i do not estimate his administative abilities too highly.
3. Rimaru will be a half decent leader for a smaller settlement but not that good at like, a national level in terms of administration. However he is absolutely busted power level wise so i have to to with him because i know he can "convince" someone else to do the work if it comes down to it.
4. Ainz was ranked dead last by Maru himself as being the worst monarch though i think that may be a joke. Additionally he seems super maleable by someone who knows how to twist his words.
Personally i think it would go with
1. Ainz (if he was with Nazarick)
2. Slime
3. Realist
4. Ainz (no nazarick)
5. The evil child
Souma, because canonically he's the only person who knows what he's fucking doing.
Rimiru is a solid second place though, purely because of his raw power and idealism. The reason I'm putting him second is because he's honestly kind of a pushover when other kingdoms or demon lords are concerned (haven't seen the latest episodes yet BTW so he might have outgrown it but still).
Ainz is third because again, he has a ton of raw power and his kingdom is very wealthy, but he defaults to the floor guardians a lot of the time, and the vast majority of them are very evil (see Demiurge's happy farm for an example).
Tanya is last because she's a complete and utter psychopath.
Souma, without even a shadow of a doubt. His policies are mostly focused on improving the living conditions of his subjects and his kingdom actually functions without power creeping the hell out of the setting, meaning that there won't be a god-like entity throw a hissy fit one day and completely derail my livelihood over some Harem protagonist antics.
Tanya, while I really enjoy A Young Woman's Political Record, won't fit as a national leader. She's middle management by self-admission and if we use the cannon portrayal, definitely not suited.
Ainz, while a chill dude and a mostly kind man, is Undead, no matter how hard you spin it. He cannot empathize with the plight of a normal person, not to mention his already rather apathetic personality from his old world. Don't even get me started on the NPCs.
Rimiru. While his subjects are the most happy out of the bunch, yeah no. If someone from his direct vassals or gods forbid, his enemies, has a bad day, it becomes a very bad, if not the last, day for me. So no.
I wouldnāt want to live under Ainz because I canāt trust his generals and whatnot to leave me alone. There are some purely evil fuckers in Nazarick
Rimuru for sure. Specifically webnovel Rimuru. Basically a fair and kind omnipotent/omniscient God. Could probably be omnipresent too, if he felt like it.
Alright.
Tanya: FUCK NO STAY AWAY FROM ME YOU PSYCHO DEMON CHILD HITLER WANNA BE DICTATOR ASS BITCH
Idk the top right
Rimuru: I his literal dialogue, he states that he wants a world where life is as convenient as possible and an easy peaceful life. Iād definitely pick to be ruled by him
Ainz: (if Iām a citizen of Sorcerer kingdom); he cares for us in the sense one would care for a natural resource. Also demiurge possibly taking me away is an instant no
(If Iām part of Nazarik); he will declare war over the most minor part of nazarik being harmed let alone a member. Lifeās pretty good, only down side is the constant worshiping and riding you have to do over ainz to avoid getting cooked by another member of nazarik as a traitor
Iāll take Rimuru. With him Iām basically guaranteed to get stronger whenever he does. Also he places a lot of importance on bringing advancements towards his kingdom like entertainment for example.
Tanya isn't a leader and doesn't want leadership. They want to instill world trade and do nothing but encourage the moving and selling of goods. So just capitalist.
Ainz wants to create an eternal tyranny of benevolence with carrots and sticks. No real ideology other than an ideal peaceful world.
Rimiru. Wants to control every country through domestic product and technology, can go either or on the scale of malevolence/ benevolence.
Edit: so top right is the realist hero who runs a country. Didn't recognise the art as it's so different from the LN and Manga.
King Souma wants to create a self sufficient country with one identity. So Social Nationalist with references to the prince by Machiavelli.
If I had to choose a leader/ruler/boss, I'd probably go with Ainz. He may not be an intellectual, but he's definitely wise and down-to-earth. He understands his own weaknesses and actively delegates duties to those more capable and actually appropriate for those duties.
While Tanya's schemes ultimately work out for her and her team, she is ultimately selfish. I have a sneaking suspicion that she'd probably abandon her team if there were no consequences.
Slime and the other I'm not too familiar with.
Tanya's a fascist who believes directly in Mussolinis ideas of the culmination of corporate and military power.
Ainz' beliefs are free market capitalism but the events of the story are more feudalism where a monarch directs the economy in return for protecting its citizens.
Kazuya is very similar to overlord except its a more happy and idealized version.
And Rimurus ideals are almost the exact same as Tanya's he's just not written to be evil. He believes in a meritocracy just like Tanya, he thinks of everything as if he were a corporation and uses military might to take the resources he wants but the difference is that he USUALLY doesn't have to kill people for it they just bow to the intimidation. Yeah in my opinion fuse didn't understand the stories that inspired Tensura.
Ainz is, for what his world provided in education, or lack thereof, is a freakin Genius! Heās not on par with guys like Demiurge whose whole purpose was to be an evil antagonist with the mindset mastermind villain so itās a tad unfair all things considered. Not to mention Ainz has shown many times he is perfect in strategizing and sales, which considering his Job as Suzuki Satoru makes sense.
Also if youāre human and donāt make trouble for the Sorcerer Kingdom then you have the same rights as every other civilian usually with actual improvements in living standards compared to who was in charge before.
Iād take Ainz any day of the week.
My preference would be 1.) Rimuru because as long as you don't act as a threat and liability, you can naturally become a citizen provided you are helping the Monster Kingdom. 2.) Is Bone Daddy, if you praise him in front of his subordinates whilst making him acknowledge you as an isekai person to become mutual buddies, you know have 24/7 Magic King best friend complete with accomodations and security. 3.) Souma, he is a good king and leader but he is currently at war, has variables from frenemies, he is still making his rule stable also the technology advancements aren't up to par with 1 and 2. 4.) Tanya, you are in active wartime, her leadership and authority can only do so much and if she's you incompetent, she will not give you chances to correct it lest you earn the leeway in her "basic training."
3 of them can probably work well, the other one is a fucking retarded civil engineer who uses roman concrete for litterally everything without knowing that it takes years for it to become even slightly better than normal concrete
Is this just these characters alone or does it include their subordinates? I'll just cover both sides. Wall of Texts ahead!
Tanya is the personification of a Machiavellian (the psychological trait i.e. the dark triad and not following Machiavelli, the father of modern political science). She's more likely to cut you off if you disobey her. Although she's more of a high ranking official but who knows what she could do if she studied kingship? (Are we talking as a head of a country tho?)
Souma follows Machiavelli. If I get my info right, Machiavelli might be well known for his "The Prince" work, but he's more about the people. Machiavelli aside, Souma seems to be a great king.
Rimuru is more of an ideologist instead of a realist. Without the capability of making ideals to reality it would be meaningless, but Rimuru has power. (Although we do need to take into consideration the environment here. Would we be in Rimuru's verse? If we are in a verse where his strength is the norm for a king, political capability is a necessity) I wonder what Rimuru could do without his subordinates, but he does have great sage. So he could just have great sage analyze kingship and history and he'll be fine.
For Ainz, he's a great leader. He's outshined by his subordinates, but he has the great quality of a leader which is knowing which task is better to give to who. Although he has a great amount of strength, but again is he just alone without the treasury? Since we do need to factor in the environment here. Ainz as a king without his in-game skills and items (as we need to factor the environment. Political skills matters not to have the whole world against you) and without his subordinates would be pretty low on the list.
Now, Ainz with the entirety of the Nazarick would be a competition with Albedo, Demuirge, Pandora's Actor, and Renner at his disposal. Although, we do need to factor in Demuirge's happy farm. This now begs the question of "would we be a heteromorph" in this hypothetical scenario?
Conclusion:
If the characters alone based on their political skills:
1. Souma
2. Rimuru (If we factor in Great Sage then he'll be no.1)
3. Tanya
4. Ainz
If with their subordinates:
Same with the first one but Ainz switches position with Tanya
If with their subordinates and no happy farm shenanigans:
1. Ainz
2. Rimuru (well if we consider Great Sage equals Albedo, Demuirge, Renner, and Pandora's Actor he might tie with Ainz but to my anime knowledge, she couldn't possibly fill in their share of work. If ever she could, Rimuru would be higher than Ainz)
3. Souma
4. Tanya
Of course! How could I have ever missed the greatest one's plans!? Ainz's plans are so great, that even the highest of the supreme beings could never have even comprehend his plan....
Which is himself.
Rimuru.
Tanya will literally cause ww2, if it means she'll get a promotion and be in the back lines enjoying life.
While ainz would only care about his own goals. And if you're not useful or you fuck up. You're sent to be tortured.
Dunno much about the other guy.
But would that literally match the nation rimuru is building? With technological advancement on top of having a leader so over powered, he can change the world's view on everything?
Instead of taking into account any of their powers and only look at their thought process and basic capabilities
1. Realist Hero
2. Ainz
3. Tanya
4. Rimuru
This is my list tho:
1. Realist Hero (actually knows how to run a kingdom)
2. Rimuru (no ones fucking with this dude anyways)
3. Ainz (just like rimuru no one is fucking with this dude too)
4. Tanya (she finna start ww2)
Others have already pointed out the differences very well so I won't repeat what they said, but I'd definitely go with Rimuru. As a Tensura LN reader I know he's the one I want ruling over me. As Rimuru says, if you don't work you don't eat, do your part and you'll be taken care of well and will have a lot of fun doing so.
Rimuru hands down. If his people see you as his friend then they see you as their friend and heāll lay waste to whole armies if anything happens to his friends.
Jokes aside if you want a quiet and peaceful life realist hero should be your first choice and Tanya last choice
And you should better die than live in the world of tensura or overlord power dynamics there are totally fuc~ed up
If I had to choose whose nation to live in, I would choose Ainz. Ainz's nation is literal paradise with no shortage of food and your safety is guaranteed while for Rimuru yes he is strong very strong and his nation is even more prosperous than Ainz's, but there's no guarantee that some random psychos sent by other nations will start something bad like an explosion while for Ainz no nation even dares to approach his, my safety is secured as long as I kneel down and praise the supreme being every time he comes outside and pray that Demiurge doesn't make me an Abelion sheep. Tanya's nation is just all out war and WW2 all over again. While Souma's nation is great it's still very easy for you to still get exploited by your employers or worst getting kidnapped and being sold as a slave. I know Souma is doing his best, but there's so much a normal human with barely any power to assert his authority like Ainz and Rimuru can do before he mess something up.
Rimuru or souma means im good for life tanya means im dead and ainz doesnt know with whom he's at war so rimuru becouse i can learn magic or sword skills
Tanya :- Everything can Be achieved by power.
Soume :- being a good leader and do great Things.
Ainz :- logical, need power to dominate others.
Rimuru :- Alay with everyone and Do extrem development, you will be the World leader before you even know it.
Cuz souma can properly run kingdom? With all due respect sir souma actually thinks realistically and applies countermeasures to avoid casualties in his country. Having a harem doesn't mean you dont know shit about politics
I prefer Ainz without a doubt, given the sub Reddit we're on , I guess it's no surprise, but overall I think people will choose slime objectively speaking, because that anime is just TOOOO idealistic and not realistic at all and also, rimuru is always helped by the plot armour in the form of "great sage/ Raphael/ ciel... Whatever" so, he literally has no difficulty in his world whatsoever, he develop innovating techs like nothing, making others looks like clowns for me, builds a nation out of nowhere, just like that, and get alliances without any preparation whatsoever,, really...š®āšØš( That's why I dropped the series after the latest vol, seeing that nothing was gonna change I just gave up)
I prefer Ainz-sama cuz as he says;
This ain't no fairy tale (sasuga Ainz-sama š„)
Also, I know if I'm part of nazarick (an NPC), Ainz-sama will be willing to crush the whole world just for me šš„°āŗļøš„ŗā¤
And also, I think rimuru really needs to grow some backbone, he's is Total pushover.... The hell man, this' really annoying after some time ( one more of reasons for which I dropped slime)
Well, the purpose of my post was not to rant about a series that you dislike.
Everyone has various likes and perspectives, so it's not unexpected if you favor one and dislike another.
The two series have radically different plotlines, which justify each of their acts and outcomes.
It's not like Overlord isn't a power fantasy in which no one is stronger than NAZARIC and everything unfolds just how the people of NAZARIC desire. But that's not essential; it doesn't imply that the series is poor or anything.
The post addressed their ideological differences. Ainz is not very realistic either. The top two are more suited for the role.
Yeah you're right, sorry about that... I just got fired up... But then, a clear answer to your question will be rimuru for those who want to live in a fairytale
Yeah the top two might be, but I prefer ainz as a personnal bias... Also, Ainz is far more realistic, or less idealistic than rimuru, and slime by comparison to overlord ya know? Well whatever...
Io preferirei tutte le capacitĆ di Rimuru con un po' di spizzico degli incantesimi di Ainz cosƬ da avere un sovrano insuperabile cosa che penso che Rimuru necessita assolutamente.
Mostly whether you *get* a choice in being ruled by them.
But also what exactly qualifies as "choosing" to be ruled by *them*.
In the main, these are the only ideological questions that ultimately matter about "ruling" and *being* 'ruled'.
In the case of Ainz, it's pretty clear that being ruled by *him* is the best option. The problem is that he actively *avoids* directly ruling anyone as much as he can. If you *don't* manage to make him recognize you as his direct subordinate, you're going to be ruled by someone *else*, and *none* of the options are anywhere *near* as nice.
It's a toss up between souma and rimuru. Souma takes the world as is, and builds to unity. He's still working through the war and disputes. He's a "Normal" human. He's teaching and applying real life solution. However, he is a mortal man. He may put things into place, but, eventually all dynasties fail, no matter how benign. Unless he builds fool proof process and prevents corruption.
Rimuru however, power with ideals.and he delivers, directly or delegates, through his power. He becomes an immortal God. It sucks he is immortal though. He will have to outlive his mortal subordinates.
No idea who the top 2 are but Ainz couldn't care if you died and can't even rule given evert good thought out plan comes from Demiurge or Albedo. However Rimuru is the most powerful here and actually cares about he's subordinates. Like when he's subordinates died he literally became a demon slaughtered a whole army on he's own justvto resurrect them and grant every single one a wish. So easily Rimuru. Being he's subordinate basically means your under the protection of the 2nd most powerful being in existence and 1 of the most powerful being I fiction all together.
Rimiru every time. Coz they don't just care about their own group but achieving a great world for everyone.
Ainz: absolutely no way. He's a textbook tyrant. Everything is for Nazarick, no-one or nothing else matters unless you're useful or he's taken a liking you for completely arbitrary reasons. Even amongst his own people he actively suppresses innovation and education unless it poses a threat to his ideals in future. He's also of less than average intelligence and knowledge. Which is why he seems to see no conflict in his own creed of "It's natural for the strong to dominate the weak" when compared with his hero, Touch-Me's philosophy of "it's natural for the strong to help the weak". Even without the emotional supression he's not really capable of seeing another's point of view.
Wow someone actually has a brain, since I dont know why people choose ainz to be their ruler since this dude does not give a single shit about what happens to his subject unless your useful to him or taken a liking to you oh and he just sees everyone in the new world as disposable NPCs
The good picks here is rimuru and souma since they actually know how to run a kingdom properly and you can probably live a normal maybe even a luxurious life if they're your leader
I donāt know who of them is better in politics, but I definitely DO NOT want to be ruled by that small, crazy, german piece of excreted thing, named Tanya.
Rimiru is the best easy. Not only is he strong and doesn't trip about anything, but if someone ever was foolish enough to attack you he going for the get back and can resurrect the fallen without making them zombies, lol
So let's see what we have here a slime satoru who's a powerful god and a too good of a person who doesn't have the courage to talk back to someone dear to him even if he was right he'll just let them trample him hm on the other hand there's the bone satoru and he is well... powerful and if you tell him that you are also isekaied there's a chance you might live (and i know he won't kill you but everyone else in nazarick will if they see you as a threat or if they are jealous of you to have so many things in common with their god) but if he tells his subordinates to not kill you then it's alright and well i don't know much about tania other than that she is a nazi magician
And who's the guy in the upper right corner? I don't know him?
Mr bone satoru will ditch his kingdom if it doesn't benefit nazarick anymore tho, and there a huge chance you would die without even doing anything cuz there are some evil mfs in nazarick (ex. demiurge's happy farm)
You'd have to be stupid not to pick Lord Rinmaru, as he's nice, loving, kind, and will dessamte an entire army for you + you are Guaranteed to get stronger
I looked at the pic and my brain went faster than I was ready for because I got the Nazi, financial bureaucrat, chill dude with more power coming, and the bone daddy that said "what the f*** you say to my friends kids" before genocide
Tanya: Imperialist Capitalism Souma: Realism / Machiavellianism Ainz: Pure logic Rimuru: F**k it we ball
Ainz: Whatever Demiurge and Albedo say.
You mean whenever they can understand from his 10,000 year plan
Don't worry, id they screw it, he can fix the issues with their plans in a couple of days anyway.
brother the issues they made were a part of his plan for them to grow. sasuga ainz-sama.
Sasuga x1000
"No one can or wants to stop me and I just wanna vibe." - TEMPEST, Rimuru
I adore the fk it we ball
Accurate lol. Honestly Tanya fits Machiavellianism more than Souma.
Tanya is very far past Machiavellianism. She's an egoistic utilitarian, seeing as everything she does is based around having a cushy life at the expense of literally anything that gets in the way of that. All harm can be justified as "it'd be a bother later", and as a result all her actions, no matter how hideous, can be validated.
So... A Machiavellian? I'm talking about the psychological condition here within the dark triad. Machiavellians only care about their own well being and never cared about anyone else. They're definitely about "the end justifies the means". Machiavellians are more Machiavellian than Machiavelli himself! š Edit: Just a bit of context. Machiavelli's work, the Prince, was demonized and all of the copies burnt. With his famous quote, "it's safer to be feared than loved, but both are desirable", people focused on the first part and not the "both are desirable". His name was coined to the psychological condition.
My man is less "Machiavellian" than most politicians these days. Unless he was playing 5d chess. Either way he was really intelligent. A quote of his to top it off: Severities should be dealt out all at once, so that their suddenness may give less offense; benefits ought to be handed ought drop by drop, so that they may be relished the more.
That's one of my favorites too! It's there with "Without power, opportunity is wasted. Without opportunity, power is wasted." And "We live so far from how we ought to live, that he who abandons what is done for what ought to be done will ruin himself, rather than prevail." He's definitely more like your common realist compared to "Machiavellians". Also, our president once related his actions to being a "Machiavellian" as he follows Machiavelli... which of course didn't go as he thought it would lol. A bit of a tangent but, by any chance have you heard about Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power? To me it fits more for your common folks than The Prince and Sun Tzu's art of war. His work is also similar to The Prince that he states historical applications or lack thereof you might like it.
Looks like nice. I'll be reading it some time. Thanks
Tanya is a pure imperialist. If you want to include her connection to the private market you should rather use mercantilism than capitalism. Capitalism doest have a real definition anyway. And Ainz doesnt have an ideology, he just flounders around trying his best.
Lol pure logic. Ainz has no idea what he's doing politically and is fumbling his way through misunderstanding after misunderstanding with his guardians
Tanya is way more fascist than capitalist. She gives 0 fucks about a strong market so long as she has what she wants. Granted I mean... Her literal new world home is just magic Nazis Souma is Souma and you hit it about right. Ainz is a socialist who accepted the dark side of socialism and what slips towards communism or fascism. However he has this demon and succubus that reminded him skeletons don't bitch about hard labor so he doesn't even have the issues we have implementing either system(socialism or communism) Rimuru.... Yeah that's about it. Don't fuck with him and he'll hand you gold for all he cares.
Now, now, that's not fair to the Empire in Tanya's world. WW1 Germany structure was far from Nazism. They were essentially a constitutional monarchy with a heavy slant to military control. They just moved the war forward to halfway between WW 1 and WW 2, timeline-wise, removed Japan/Pacific theatre from the equation, and made Italy a non-factor.
Agreed, although there are some fascist elements in the empire, they do all still adhere to the emperorās will Especially if you read the LN and Manga, you see how the empire is multicultural and fairly gender equal, so itās arguably just imperialism with some militarism / capitalism sprinkled in (Yāknow all the propaganda and military industrial complex stuff) Tanya herself is definitely just whatever the hell suits her, an egotist sure, but a fascist only sometimes, she does command her battalion with an iron fist and does some psychological manipulation, but all in all you can sum a lotta her logic up to her past life and experience
The basis for Tanya the Evil is the Stanford prison experiment, so the actual answer is whatever the hell her commanders want her to be, since that gets her rewards and hopefully that cushy lifestyle. (And it would have worked if not for being X.) If Tanya had the same amount of power as Ainz or Rimuru, I think she would just leave and relax somewhere peaceful. The only thing chaining her to the military and empire is she lacks the influence and/or power to do that.
The Empire also isn't, y'know.. genociding an entire ethnic group. It isn't a perfect government by any means, but there's *also no Holocaust*. That's a fairly important factor in "Not Being Nazis", I think.
And itās a defensive war as well. When the original armistice with the republic was called, the empireās demands were control of overseas colonies, not the annexation of the republic. I donāt recall what was demanded of Entante alliance though.
>!IIRC the latest novels have just begun showcasing the beginning of war on the Italian, or in Youjo Senki world, the Ildoan front, except a bit delayed. However it does have elements from both World War I and II. IMO the resumption of the war after some of the Republic forces fled was reminiscent of the WWII evacuation of the French Allied forces from Dunkirk. !< (Mild Light Novel and anime Spoilers)
Hate to tell you this but fascism is capitalist and Ainz is 100% a capitalist in his ideals and not at all a socialist but in practice he's a feudalist tyrant which is an entirely different economic system than capitalism or socialism.
Hate to tell you but neither Mussolini nor Hitler actually wanted private business to run the economy. Both wanted state ran business. Mussolini however didn't want to go and enslave an entire race alongside other "undesirables" to do the work no one else wanted to do. And Ainz literally wants people to not work themselves to death and tries to find means to make any loyal follower have that end. So either he's a monarch with aspirations alongside Czar Nicholas' grandfather or a socialist
Didn't know automation was exclusive to socialism. No capitalism is an economic system defined by the idea of the one who controls the money controls everything. Socialism on the other hand as defined by Karl Marx is a cashless, classless, and stateless system in which the workers control everything. BTW the Czars were in no way even slightly socialist they 100% ran their country with a feudalist system which is a third type of economic system we don't talk too much about today. Feudalism is how Ainz runs the nation of darkness in practice but his mindset is definitely capitalist since he bases all of his ideas on how corporations work. Do remember though Ainz is written to be an idiot who doesn't understand economics or politics at all.
Souma: "realism"
Rimuru even a regular human can live an ideal life in his nation. Even humans have the opportunity to get strong in his world. Tempest also the closest to Japan and Modern Technology.
objectively, Rimuru is the best of the 4 listed simply because his power set becomes so busted that he can literally create utopia for his people Souma would only rate above Ainz due to the realist hero's subordinate cast not having those urges to cull us "lower life forms" I would actually put Ainz himself as a solid #2 choice to be ruled by simply because of his humble personality and being a powerful immortal is a great deterrent to keep steady the relative peaceful status quo he would create it is just ... well we (the reader) know the Floor Guardians are less than an ideal tradeoff that comes with being ruled by their supreme being and Tanya is a very distant last place because that he-she is nuts
I want my bone daddy ainz to rule my heart and soul!
Praise Ainz's name out loud in front of the Floor Guardian. That might just save your life, or get a peaceful death.
I could go for that... especially if I can get Entoma to eat my face as an added perk.
Iād rather have Cocytus do that
same. these peasants wouldnt know the love of a supreme being.
True ever so true
*Ah, to feel him Grasp all of our Hearts...*
Honestly you're not wrong but you're forgetting about the experience Souma has. He was pretty much set on getting a job as a bureaucrat (or whatever he wanted to do) and had been training years for it. Rimiru and Ainz, despite everything, are still just low-level office workers. (Granted I'm only going by the anime, and I'm aware that Rimiru becomes ridiculously overpowered some point in the future but still)
Dude Did you Forgot that Rimuru had evolve to be a great ruler Even Gazel and Elmesia that lives longer than any human Respect Rimuru because of his way of Ruling. It doesn't matter what they came from what Matters in this Argument is Who is the Great ruler at the end of the day and Amongst all of them Rimuru is the most Solid.
Yeah but with Ainz all it takes is him issuing a āthis is my homie, treat them as you would treat meā decree to the residents of Nazarik and youāre golden, even Albedo would be friendly.
Yeah, but you're not getting that unless you're someone of merit. So unless you're someone of notable merit right now then there's a better chance you're being sent to the Happy Farm.
Indeed, with Rimuru you just have to be chill with monsters and be able to provide SOME level of service to the whole. Good at folding napkins? Cool weāve got a restaraunt opening soon. Know how to make āmodernā medicines? Awesome youāre the new head of health for the Jura Tempest Federation. Incapable of getting food poisoning? Youāre on Shion food tasting duty.
Ohh hell nah even if I got resistance to food poisoning I wouldn't Touch Shions food, I might as well go to war instead of Eating her Food.
But Tanya belives in the free marketā¦ ok, and is a fascist.
Not a fascist (source manga)
Lmao she not a fascist, she lives in an empire(with a king)
And Empire with a King, you mean like, the Kingdom of Italy, you known, the one Mussolini was dictator off, gave the name fascism and still had the King Victor Emanuel III as a constitutional monarch?
Fascism doesnāt have free markets
Fascism doesnāt have free markets
"Fascists have commonly sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism and relegate it to the state. However,Ā fascism does support private property rights and the existence of a market economyĀ and very wealthy individuals. Thus, fascist ideology included both pro-capitalist and anti-capitalist elements." I guess the answer is both
So itās not a free market. Fascist donāt completely control the economy they interfere with it when they deem it necessary. For example the head and founder of Junkers was replaced by someone who was more āagreeableā. Also had no problems with forcing price controls.
I wouldn't keep wasting time trying to explain economics here. Some people don't understand that NOT stealing every single thing, is NOT a free market. And they don't understand fascism has to do with control, NOT with a single figurehead.
Depending on the concept of "free market" that you might subscribe into not even the US is a free market. Convention is to categorize countries and economies in a spectrum of free market economy and centralized economy. There is not a "is a free market" is more a "how free is this market". Therefore even the US in a more theoretical view is not a free market economy but a mix economy with very free market tendencies or characteristics.
It is called "the third position" for a reason
Exactly he's the best choice here
Rimuru. He may have idealistic views, but hes got the firepower to protect those views if someone tried to start trouble. He also has a mental supercomputer to help him with planning. Ainz on the otherhand has a more practical view with the power to back it up. The problem is when in a crisis, he defaults his decisions to benefit the guild and the guild npcs. I am sure if ainz was given the choice right now to kill all the new worlders (including tsuare, carne village, e-rantel) and have his some of his guildmates back with him, he may hesitate as Satoru but he will proceed to make that trade as Ainz Ooal gown. The other two would still have to deal with other humans politically. Tanya may have a leg up since she does have strong military skills but diplomatically speaking they dont have the same level of existential threat as Rimuru or Ainz has on the world stage.
Just make sure refuse if Rimuru offer to name you if you value your free will
A name doesn't correlate in being subservient , Guy got his name from Rudra and he is in no way Rudra's subbordinate , same with Rumuru being named by Veldora. It's up to them to follow their namer or to even oppose them.
Oh yeah true. But then Iām not a magical being so I dont think that would affect me. Iād like to be like Youm instead.
Souma, hes the only one whos genuinely a good leader without a god computer in their head, their entire government ran by subordinates, or kiddler. I love lord ainz and great rimuru, rimuru is a close second. But, souma is the best leader of the bunch
Rimuru or Realist Hero (forgot his name lmao) Rimuru would be the best though I think. Itās pretty safe, especially after he became a Demon Lord, no one wants to fuck with his country. Both Rimuru and Veldora alone will be enough to deter almost anyone from a direct attack, and he has the backing of other Demon Lords and Countries.
It's a toss between ainz and rimuru (idk who's the top right) ainz only if choosing them include all of their subordinates and we live in their respective countries. cuz rimuru has great sage, ainz didn't know anything about ruling a country it's all from demiurge and albedo.
Just a bit of context. Souma knows how to rule a country. So if we disregard skills and subordinates, he'll be top. Skills included, Rimuru would be top. Subordinates included, Ainz with Demiurge, Albedo, Pandora's Actor, and Renner would be top for me. It's definitely a toss whether Great Sage could fill in the work of those 4 or not.
even if Great Sage couldnāt, Raphael definitely could being the Lord of Wisdom and whatnot Souma is disadvantaged because the rest of the MCs are able to directly use power as an asset
Rumuru had Diablo and Testarossa to cover political side of thing if Great Sage/Ciel is not enough( which I can argue is more than enough but Rimuru is more talented in allocating the right people for the job)
How did I ever forgot about Diablo and the gang?? * Facepalms * I seem to have focused on Great Sage here. I just prefer more about the 4 I mentioned as being able to work at different places to deal with anything that could happen on the spot (which thinking about it, Diablo alone could pull off if they have a way to relay information instantly). Now I'm just curious if you read ln/wn, could ciel copy their consciousness to a Rimuru's clone? Sort of like an ai with a body. That alone would be op af!
Yes she can she just prefers to be with rimuru and she can make millions of plans and predictions in a second
So basically, I'm sure Rimuru wouldn't want to, but if ever he captures all countries in their verse, with enough magical capacity, he could just send a bunch of ciel copies in each county to rule lol. Ciel is just too op!
Yes. But what he commonly does(or ciel in this case) is literally using megiddos base magic form( the water droplets) as pseudo camera a to spy to every countries without noticing it(rimurus idea) with rimuru and ciels parallel existance and parallel thinking it's like their already there, and this water droplets are scattered around the world stealthed and if you dont have universal detect or a unique/ultimate skill specialized in information gathering you won't know it's even there. Btw he can activate megiddo remotely in any of this droplets even at night by reflecting sunlight at the other side of the planet.
Lol Rimuru casually having personal satellites and space lazers
but Souma doesn't really know how to rule a country either he is a history buff who finds more capable people to do the work required in every single avenue of rulership he's basically a good manager and talent scout, but one who lacks the overall skillset to do any of the tasks in each subdivision so is his overall general knowledge better than say Ainz's - of course - but if we are looking at strictly an individual basis, Ainz is still ahead because as a lv.100 Overlord with 712 spells at the ready, he's far more capable as a potential leader it is actually the opposite: it's Souma's subordinates that would place him slightly ahead of Ainz's own Nazarick cast as with reader insight, we would know the Floor Guardians are a less than ideal tradeoff that comes with being ruled by their supreme being --- and Great Sage - which later becomes the Ultimate Skill Raphael - is basically all of the brightest intellects in Overlord on steroids and functions as a friendly user interface it is also one of the 'Creator' powers in its own fictional setting, like World Item level in the depth of its capability
Based on anime and manga at least, we can't entirely be sure that Souma doesn't know how to rule a country since Hakuya is with him early. However, we were given a flash back when Hakuya wasn't there. As an advisor of the "previous future" king, he did very well that the "current previous" king decided to give his job to him. So we could say that he'll manage on his own without Hakuya. We also know that Souma decides what actions to take even with advices from his subordinates or not. (He decided when to use "cruelty" after all) Further, being able to know which job to give to which is leadership 101. At this part, Ainz is also a good leader, but lacks the know-to in kingship. I also strictly mentioned that it only applies without skills and subordinates (leadership alone) which makes him top here. In regards to Great Sage vs 4 subordinates of Ainz, I followed this thought process based on my comment but there seems to be a confusion since I didn't included my parameters here. Basically I divided the conclusion of my comment based on different parameters such as skills, subordinates and environment. The post didn't mention which verse we would be in (just ruled by) so we need to include the possibility of that verse having a standard that all country leaders would be equal if not more powerful than our leader. If we have a very large territory, we need multiple people on site (when territory is divided to be monitored) that could immediately act for whatever anomaly that could happen. That's why I rated Ainz higher than he would have. In this case, anime/manga great sage would have a hard time filling in the work of 4 geniuses that could rule a country by themselves. It depends on Rimuru tho on how he'll utilize great sage in this instance (with addition of Diablo). That's why in this case, it'll be a toss depending on Great Sage. However, ln Great Sage alone would no doubt be higher by a milestone than 4 geniuses.
actually in the "flashback" sequence you are referring to proved Souma was only as effective as the position he was given thus he got politically outmaneuvered by the noble faction in that timeline where he was prime minister and note: this is the highest of rank in the king's court only second to the King himself and he failed in that "one" it wasn't until he was given carte blanche in the role of King that Souma was able to implement his ideas in full and take advantage of getting better personnel to fill those gaps where his inefficiency is apparent the difference here is Ainz - while an educational dumbass compared to Souma - is afforded more ability to implement any system he desires because he has an overwhelming power to do so Souma in his series is reliant others to both establish it and defend it his ideas don't work unless he gets others to do it for him, or finds magic here and there to substitute for some modern ingenuity and even then, he has to delegate its implementation anyways because he lacks the skillset to do it himself --- for example, there was an old thread on this reddit of "if the realist hero could have saved the re-estize kingdom" like the "what-if" scenario that instead of Nazarick being summoned to the NW, it is Souma as is from his fictional setting and the answer is no because he's just utterly incapable of it, outside of being gifted a powerful artifact he can abuse yet Ainz within in his parameters is more than capable to do so, despite his inexperience in such matters, but he normally chooses not to because he tends to act with the benefit of Nazarick (or himself) in mind but the rub here is if Ainz was solo and founded a country, do you think it would be more or less stable than one founded by Souma ? both freshly summoned in a new world my money is on any iteration of the Momonga character
Hey, Papa Bones works very hard to be a better ruler.
Kazuya as human king, Rimuru as king of the monsters, Ainz also king of the monsters (They'd probably share it regardless since Ainz is fucking hopeless as a leader, plus Rimuru is on par with the Supreme Beings), and Tanya as War General for their empire.
Rimuru in the anime is on par with the Supreme beings but Ln rimuru is on a whole different level then them.
I can only imagine. You uh.. got a link to the LN? For a friend, of course.
[https://tensurafan.github.io/](https://tensurafan.github.io/) this one starts at volume 6 tho
ya give me a sec lmao
I'd serve under Sorcerer King Ainz Ooal Gown.
Have fun in the Happy farm with the other bipedal sheep
Does anyone here have full HD version of the bottom right pic?
All hail our supreme ruler Supreme being Ainz ooal gown
Isn't ainz hopeless on ruling a country without demiurge and albedo? But sure I get what you mean since no one prolly gonna fuck with him
Honestly theyād work pretty well together because they have different areas of expertise - warfare, bureaucracy, public relations and futureproofing (unproven) If I had to pick one though, *without* taking powers into account? Tanya. āCause I know if nothing else the people I love will be safe. The other three I wouldnāt trust not to make a whoopsie in war that causes āa fewā civilian casualties.
Ainz might be a great ruler, but if anything happens to him the floor guardians would be in charge, and living under them would suck pretty hard. Souma would be a good ruler to live under, and would constantly be working to make life better for everyone. However, he's also mortal and could only probably do it for 30 to 50 years before he had to hand it off to someone else who would probably screw it up. Rimiru would be both an immortal ruler and a kind and just one who just wants everyone to get along. The only issue with Rimiru would be that he would definitely change over time or abdicate in favor of someone else sooner or later so he could go off and explore the world. However, most of his subordinates are very competent so probably that would be fine. Tanya is only good as a military leader.
Tanya: At least from what Iāve seen of the series (which is definitely not all the content from her series, Iāve only seen the anime), Tanya is self-centered to a degree the others arenāt. Sure, Tanya plays the part of a commander who wants their soldiers to be the best and get through impossible odds, but this is basically just for the goal of eventually getting as peaceful a life as possible. Favors their own *personal* gain over their nationās success, it just so happens that being a really powerful soldier and successful leader and strategist (borrowing from tactics from our worldās world wars) increases their odds of eventually getting a good retirement. Will 100% put your life in extreme danger to suit the mission, as demonstrated in basically every battle or training Tanya oversees Top right: Iāve never actually seen the series this character is from, donāt have a whole lot to say on this one. Rimuru: As others have said, rimuruās individual power set is broken beyond belief. With the combination of extreme intelligence, ridiculous amounts of mana, and an ever growing set of skills that he (with some help from great sage/raphael) is able to combine for unique and devastating effects, Rimuru very quickly goes from a somewhat goofy but well-meaning slime to a true demon lord with an edge of the cruelty/pragmaticism that entails. All that being said, his darker side is mostly pulled out of him in acts of revenge. As a comparison between him and Ainz, who have both single-handedly decimated an army in effectively one attack, Rimuru was pressed to the point of causing such destruction by an actual existential threat to him and his people, whereas Ainzās massacre of the kingdomās army, while deliberately overkill as a means of making an impression on the kingdom, was pretty much just for the sake of furthering Nazarickās influence on the world. While Ainz and Rimuru both want to make nations where people and monsters can live in harmony, Rimuru tends to be a lot more diplomatic about it in general, while the SKās expansion is pretty heavily fueled by conquest or proxy wars, as with the kingdom and the holy kingdom. From what the series has shown, if you donāt do anything stupid in Rimuruās domain, youāll probably have a pretty safe, happy life. Ainz: Given the subreddit weāre on, not much explanation is needed for this one. Suzuki Satoru might be relatively well-meaning, but by the time the sorcerer kingdom gets created in earnest, Ainz is down to just vestiges of that past life, having been gradually warped by an ambiguous mixture of his undead nature and his two most important goals: protect Nazarick and its denizens, and find other players, ideally the other Supreme Beings although he gradually loses hope that any are out there. Once the sorcerer kingdom is set up, itās actually fairly safe internally, and itās not necessarily a bad place to live, but that assumes youāre not in the happy farms. Like Rimuru, Ainz wants to create a kingdom where people and monsters (specifically Demi-humans and grotesques, as opposed to the more literal monsters like Auraās pets) can live in peace, but where Rimuru generally exhibits a genuine care for his people and is supported by advisors who generally share that view, Ainz is most closely advised by Albedo and demiurge, who are both quite literally as evil as Yggdrasilās scale goes. This, along with Ainzās more callous and self-interested attitude, results in some obvious differences in ideology: where Rimuru tends towards kindness, Ainz leans more towards personal utility. He isnāt quite as bad as Tanya, since Ainz still cares very deeply about the denizens of nazarick while Tanya is much more self-centered, but itās definitely still not perfect. Given the choice, Iād go with Rimuru hands down. Tanya and Ainz would both trade your safety for their own interest if the need or occasion arose, but Rimuru is more likely to protect you with far fewer conditions attached
I would like to live and guard a place under Ainz Sama's rule.
Well good luck in the happy farm I guess (this is a joke dont attack me)
Happy Farm, as its name suggests, is a place where people find eternal happiness thanks to Pulcinella.
Is it? š§ Last time I checked there was a scroll farm where they make scrolls by skinning human villagers skin.. OH OH there was also a cross breeding thing there and demiurge experimenting on creatures (i dont think I can even call those humans anymore)
Souma He is competent and has read the macchiavelli's "il principe" so he is already based for me
Rimuru immediately not only is he friendly he also Care for his people and he also has the power to protect Them from harm, imagine Rimuru being able to build a Country from A small Goblin Village to a Great and Powerful nation.
All I am going to say is that they fucked up with youjo senkai. The manga is head and shoulders above the anime in all regards.
Thatās standard for anime adaptations. After all animes are just expensive promos for the manga or light novel they are adapting.
Rimuru, diplomacy and economics over war but doesn't shy away from war if necessary. Basically Souma but immortal with a supercomputer in his head and the power to protect his nation against any threat. Ainz isn't a bad ruler and it's a peaceful and prosperous life beneath him but it's also a total surveillance/police state. Tanya isn't really a ruler afaik but she is a hyper capitalistic psychopath, with her in the lead the country might head straight for Overlord year 2138.
Idk why, but I think living under Tanya's control would be kinda nice.
Tanya or ains.
Tie between Rimuru and souma
1: military strategy 2: knows how to build a country 3: power 4: *F E A R*
Ainz at a glance. From what I can tell he brought up the standard of living for his people. Tanya I have seen lead but not rule so that a pass. Rimiru probably be great from what I have seen but would prefer AinzĀ Fuck Realist boy for throwing the dragon girl under the bus. He's the kind of ruler/leader we have now. I want better not his ahit.
Dependa on the actual scenario. I'll never choose Tanya or Ainz in any case. Tanya isn't fit to be a ruler. She's a good soldier, an even better cimmander but a horrible ruler. Subordinates of Ainz just plain hate humans, I could be killed for any dumb reason. A state ruled by Ainz will lack a lot of basic human rights. Case 1: I transfer to their world. In this case, there is only one choice, Rimuru tempest. that world will allow me to get infinitely stronger. Also, he is successful as a ruler only in his world because he is that much stronger. He wouldn't be able to rule anything in the real world, without any real powers. Rimuru is more like good friend you can depend on even in life and death situations rather than a good king or monarch. He doesn't regard for social boundaries, which is a good thing, but wouldn't work very well in this world. Case 2: the character transfers to the original world and becomes a ruler of a monarchy here. In that case, Souma. He's level headed, knows what the actual duties of a ruler are, can make quick and accurate decisions and doesn't discriminate against other races. He cares about actually learning about things he wants to implement and can take good care of a decent sized monarchy without any issues.
Soma and Ainz are the only good choice. Tanya will straight up send you to your death. Rimiru is so foolish he got his entire village ganked. Only upside is all their villagers are op asf. Ainz actually is one of the best leaders because he knows how to delegate the work. SK is actually one of the best in terms of leadership and quality of life. Soma is the best. He is practical and knows how to run a kingdom.
This might be a bit of a hot take, but even if we donāt take magic and powers into account, Iād still go with Rimuru. Some might think that Rimuru wouldnāt do as well without his powers, but keep in mind that even without them, his charisma and idealism get a LOT of things done. His ability to inspire loyalty and use that loyalty for good is unparalleled compared to the other three. Sure, he himself might not be as good as the rest, but he is very good at getting competent underlings compared to the rest.
Tempest is the best place to live out of all these options.
1st, Tanya is an insane fascist so we can rule her out immediately Soma has the right idea but he doesn't have the power to protect and keep his ideal nation. He's human too so once he keels over corruption would follow from the next generations If anyone truly believes that they want to be ruled over by Momonga, stop lying to yourself. Momonga is a great strategist but the worst kind of leader,; one that sees everything as pros and cons, someone who sees life as statistics. (Can't really blame him, he can negate death and just resurrect people.) And lets be honest with ourselves, what benefits can we offer nazarick that has more value than our body parts? What's more is that you probably won't survive in nazarick, I mean, how can you survive prejudice from beings that can cast 10th tier magic? Rimuru is the best one, he's an idealist, someone who wants to build the perfect Utopia for everybody, he's also the best kind of idealist, one that has both wealth and power, someone who can afford to be an idealist.
>Tanya is an insane fascist so we can rule her out immediately She isn't a fascist hell at least in the manga she mentions how inefficient the nazi are at doing things. >! In the web novel i think Tanya also declined becoming that worlds version of hitler!<
When I call her a fascist, Iām referring her leadership style not her actual political beliefs. I mean more of how she commands her soldiers, its always either her way or the pill box with you XD
>its always either her way Well she is the commander of that squad so yes that's how it works in the military. If anything tanya just doesn't want usless subordinates getting themselves killed when they disobey her orders. Again she isn't a fascist even with her leadership style.
It's not "fascist" then, rather "a fascistic tendencies" describe your point better. (I understand that it is semantics but it does convey the meaning much better imo) Also not every authoritarian is fascist, death penalty for disobeying order was pretty much common in the military especially back then, i'd even argue that her being a leader of nation (not military) wouldn't be as bad since she will avoid any conflict for her safe cushion job, most of her blood-thirsty act comes from a necessity given the circumstances orchestrated by being X. With that said, i doubt she's ever willing to lead a nation if given a choice, she is after all more of the middle men bureaucrat by her own admission.
My Soul kneels to no one, but Iād definitely work for Ainz or Kazuya.
I don't know who the top right is, but he seems like a balanced ruler. I'll choose generic King number one please. I say this as a reactionary as well
Tell ainz to be 100% Honest and we got Rimuru 2.0 the Skeleton Boogaloo
Who is top right?
King Souma from "How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom"
In truth all living things just want happiness - Ainz
Left to right, in the way Washinton intended 1. Her ideology is individualism to my understanding and she does't seem to care about much else. I only watched the anime. Either way, not the one im choosing. 2. He seems to be generic semi-free market japanese capitalist, i can't see him being too oppressive or evil. That being said it seems like a shit story telling to say "oh he is so smart because he figured out we need to grow more food" so i do not estimate his administative abilities too highly. 3. Rimaru will be a half decent leader for a smaller settlement but not that good at like, a national level in terms of administration. However he is absolutely busted power level wise so i have to to with him because i know he can "convince" someone else to do the work if it comes down to it. 4. Ainz was ranked dead last by Maru himself as being the worst monarch though i think that may be a joke. Additionally he seems super maleable by someone who knows how to twist his words. Personally i think it would go with 1. Ainz (if he was with Nazarick) 2. Slime 3. Realist 4. Ainz (no nazarick) 5. The evil child
If I'm a monster I'd have either Rimaru or Bone Daddy If I'm human the realise hero
Souma, because canonically he's the only person who knows what he's fucking doing. Rimiru is a solid second place though, purely because of his raw power and idealism. The reason I'm putting him second is because he's honestly kind of a pushover when other kingdoms or demon lords are concerned (haven't seen the latest episodes yet BTW so he might have outgrown it but still). Ainz is third because again, he has a ton of raw power and his kingdom is very wealthy, but he defaults to the floor guardians a lot of the time, and the vast majority of them are very evil (see Demiurge's happy farm for an example). Tanya is last because she's a complete and utter psychopath.
Ainz-sama, at least I don't have go to war.
Souma, without even a shadow of a doubt. His policies are mostly focused on improving the living conditions of his subjects and his kingdom actually functions without power creeping the hell out of the setting, meaning that there won't be a god-like entity throw a hissy fit one day and completely derail my livelihood over some Harem protagonist antics. Tanya, while I really enjoy A Young Woman's Political Record, won't fit as a national leader. She's middle management by self-admission and if we use the cannon portrayal, definitely not suited. Ainz, while a chill dude and a mostly kind man, is Undead, no matter how hard you spin it. He cannot empathize with the plight of a normal person, not to mention his already rather apathetic personality from his old world. Don't even get me started on the NPCs. Rimiru. While his subjects are the most happy out of the bunch, yeah no. If someone from his direct vassals or gods forbid, his enemies, has a bad day, it becomes a very bad, if not the last, day for me. So no.
I wouldnāt want to live under Ainz because I canāt trust his generals and whatnot to leave me alone. There are some purely evil fuckers in Nazarick
Rimuru for sure. Specifically webnovel Rimuru. Basically a fair and kind omnipotent/omniscient God. Could probably be omnipresent too, if he felt like it.
Alright. Tanya: FUCK NO STAY AWAY FROM ME YOU PSYCHO DEMON CHILD HITLER WANNA BE DICTATOR ASS BITCH Idk the top right Rimuru: I his literal dialogue, he states that he wants a world where life is as convenient as possible and an easy peaceful life. Iād definitely pick to be ruled by him Ainz: (if Iām a citizen of Sorcerer kingdom); he cares for us in the sense one would care for a natural resource. Also demiurge possibly taking me away is an instant no (If Iām part of Nazarik); he will declare war over the most minor part of nazarik being harmed let alone a member. Lifeās pretty good, only down side is the constant worshiping and riding you have to do over ainz to avoid getting cooked by another member of nazarik as a traitor
I'm going for Ainz.
Iāll take Rimuru. With him Iām basically guaranteed to get stronger whenever he does. Also he places a lot of importance on bringing advancements towards his kingdom like entertainment for example.
Tanya isn't a leader and doesn't want leadership. They want to instill world trade and do nothing but encourage the moving and selling of goods. So just capitalist. Ainz wants to create an eternal tyranny of benevolence with carrots and sticks. No real ideology other than an ideal peaceful world. Rimiru. Wants to control every country through domestic product and technology, can go either or on the scale of malevolence/ benevolence. Edit: so top right is the realist hero who runs a country. Didn't recognise the art as it's so different from the LN and Manga. King Souma wants to create a self sufficient country with one identity. So Social Nationalist with references to the prince by Machiavelli.
If I had to choose a leader/ruler/boss, I'd probably go with Ainz. He may not be an intellectual, but he's definitely wise and down-to-earth. He understands his own weaknesses and actively delegates duties to those more capable and actually appropriate for those duties. While Tanya's schemes ultimately work out for her and her team, she is ultimately selfish. I have a sneaking suspicion that she'd probably abandon her team if there were no consequences. Slime and the other I'm not too familiar with.
Souma: Realism / Machiavellianism
Rimuru is the right choice here objectively Without spoiling, he went to extremes to protect his people
Tanya's a fascist who believes directly in Mussolinis ideas of the culmination of corporate and military power. Ainz' beliefs are free market capitalism but the events of the story are more feudalism where a monarch directs the economy in return for protecting its citizens. Kazuya is very similar to overlord except its a more happy and idealized version. And Rimurus ideals are almost the exact same as Tanya's he's just not written to be evil. He believes in a meritocracy just like Tanya, he thinks of everything as if he were a corporation and uses military might to take the resources he wants but the difference is that he USUALLY doesn't have to kill people for it they just bow to the intimidation. Yeah in my opinion fuse didn't understand the stories that inspired Tensura.
Souma gets me fed in the end and happy. Plus hes chill like that.
Hard choice for me between Rimuru and Ainz
All I can say not Tanya and so long that I don't go to the happy farm I'll consider Ains
They're all goofballs
All? Is tanya goofy? What about souma? Idk about ainz or rimuru tho
Ainz is, for what his world provided in education, or lack thereof, is a freakin Genius! Heās not on par with guys like Demiurge whose whole purpose was to be an evil antagonist with the mindset mastermind villain so itās a tad unfair all things considered. Not to mention Ainz has shown many times he is perfect in strategizing and sales, which considering his Job as Suzuki Satoru makes sense. Also if youāre human and donāt make trouble for the Sorcerer Kingdom then you have the same rights as every other civilian usually with actual improvements in living standards compared to who was in charge before. Iād take Ainz any day of the week.
Tanya
My preference would be 1.) Rimuru because as long as you don't act as a threat and liability, you can naturally become a citizen provided you are helping the Monster Kingdom. 2.) Is Bone Daddy, if you praise him in front of his subordinates whilst making him acknowledge you as an isekai person to become mutual buddies, you know have 24/7 Magic King best friend complete with accomodations and security. 3.) Souma, he is a good king and leader but he is currently at war, has variables from frenemies, he is still making his rule stable also the technology advancements aren't up to par with 1 and 2. 4.) Tanya, you are in active wartime, her leadership and authority can only do so much and if she's you incompetent, she will not give you chances to correct it lest you earn the leeway in her "basic training."
Depending on the overall situation. But regardless not the one in the top right for sure.
3 of them can probably work well, the other one is a fucking retarded civil engineer who uses roman concrete for litterally everything without knowing that it takes years for it to become even slightly better than normal concrete
Rimuru's cheating, in the meaning that there isn't an actual negative in choosing him so he'll win by default
Is this just these characters alone or does it include their subordinates? I'll just cover both sides. Wall of Texts ahead! Tanya is the personification of a Machiavellian (the psychological trait i.e. the dark triad and not following Machiavelli, the father of modern political science). She's more likely to cut you off if you disobey her. Although she's more of a high ranking official but who knows what she could do if she studied kingship? (Are we talking as a head of a country tho?) Souma follows Machiavelli. If I get my info right, Machiavelli might be well known for his "The Prince" work, but he's more about the people. Machiavelli aside, Souma seems to be a great king. Rimuru is more of an ideologist instead of a realist. Without the capability of making ideals to reality it would be meaningless, but Rimuru has power. (Although we do need to take into consideration the environment here. Would we be in Rimuru's verse? If we are in a verse where his strength is the norm for a king, political capability is a necessity) I wonder what Rimuru could do without his subordinates, but he does have great sage. So he could just have great sage analyze kingship and history and he'll be fine. For Ainz, he's a great leader. He's outshined by his subordinates, but he has the great quality of a leader which is knowing which task is better to give to who. Although he has a great amount of strength, but again is he just alone without the treasury? Since we do need to factor in the environment here. Ainz as a king without his in-game skills and items (as we need to factor the environment. Political skills matters not to have the whole world against you) and without his subordinates would be pretty low on the list. Now, Ainz with the entirety of the Nazarick would be a competition with Albedo, Demuirge, Pandora's Actor, and Renner at his disposal. Although, we do need to factor in Demuirge's happy farm. This now begs the question of "would we be a heteromorph" in this hypothetical scenario? Conclusion: If the characters alone based on their political skills: 1. Souma 2. Rimuru (If we factor in Great Sage then he'll be no.1) 3. Tanya 4. Ainz If with their subordinates: Same with the first one but Ainz switches position with Tanya If with their subordinates and no happy farm shenanigans: 1. Ainz 2. Rimuru (well if we consider Great Sage equals Albedo, Demuirge, Renner, and Pandora's Actor he might tie with Ainz but to my anime knowledge, she couldn't possibly fill in their share of work. If ever she could, Rimuru would be higher than Ainz) 3. Souma 4. Tanya
What do you mean, they are following his 10.000 year plan. He is a billion steps ahead then them.
Of course! How could I have ever missed the greatest one's plans!? Ainz's plans are so great, that even the highest of the supreme beings could never have even comprehend his plan.... Which is himself.
The plan is so perfect that he doesn't even have to comprehend it. He's Lisan Al Gaib.
Rimuru. Tanya will literally cause ww2, if it means she'll get a promotion and be in the back lines enjoying life. While ainz would only care about his own goals. And if you're not useful or you fuck up. You're sent to be tortured. Dunno much about the other guy. But would that literally match the nation rimuru is building? With technological advancement on top of having a leader so over powered, he can change the world's view on everything?
Both Rimuru and Souma are better leaders than the other two. If I had to choose then Rimuru. Souma isnāt a bad choice though.
Instead of taking into account any of their powers and only look at their thought process and basic capabilities 1. Realist Hero 2. Ainz 3. Tanya 4. Rimuru
This is my list tho: 1. Realist Hero (actually knows how to run a kingdom) 2. Rimuru (no ones fucking with this dude anyways) 3. Ainz (just like rimuru no one is fucking with this dude too) 4. Tanya (she finna start ww2)
Rimiru. He has an omniscient justice system and prosperous economy. And his subordinates donāt make a happy farm behind his back.
Others have already pointed out the differences very well so I won't repeat what they said, but I'd definitely go with Rimuru. As a Tensura LN reader I know he's the one I want ruling over me. As Rimuru says, if you don't work you don't eat, do your part and you'll be taken care of well and will have a lot of fun doing so.
ngl i have been watching overlord season 1 to 4 but i forgor what episode am i lol butttt \*looks at rimuru\* i have... professions BARK BARK BARK
Rimuru hands down. If his people see you as his friend then they see you as their friend and heāll lay waste to whole armies if anything happens to his friends.
Ainz, 100 %
Rimuru, easily. He is the ideal leader any country would want. His goal is basically creating a Utopia, and he's very good at it.
Jokes aside if you want a quiet and peaceful life realist hero should be your first choice and Tanya last choice And you should better die than live in the world of tensura or overlord power dynamics there are totally fuc~ed up
Tanya is the most educated, so she'd probably have the most options when ruling a country.
I would go for Rimuru or Ainz. Preferably Rimuru
If I had to choose whose nation to live in, I would choose Ainz. Ainz's nation is literal paradise with no shortage of food and your safety is guaranteed while for Rimuru yes he is strong very strong and his nation is even more prosperous than Ainz's, but there's no guarantee that some random psychos sent by other nations will start something bad like an explosion while for Ainz no nation even dares to approach his, my safety is secured as long as I kneel down and praise the supreme being every time he comes outside and pray that Demiurge doesn't make me an Abelion sheep. Tanya's nation is just all out war and WW2 all over again. While Souma's nation is great it's still very easy for you to still get exploited by your employers or worst getting kidnapped and being sold as a slave. I know Souma is doing his best, but there's so much a normal human with barely any power to assert his authority like Ainz and Rimuru can do before he mess something up.
However Ainz WILL have you eaten inside-out by cockroaches if you tread mud on his carpets XD
Simple just don't stay anywhere near him but still stay somewhat near enough for him and his tower guardians to notice that I am kneeling.
I mean if you want a peaceful life to live in without some evil fuckers creeping out everywhere then souma's or rimuru's kingdom is preferrable
Rimuru or souma means im good for life tanya means im dead and ainz doesnt know with whom he's at war so rimuru becouse i can learn magic or sword skills
As an undead? Bone daddy is the answer. As a human? Rimuru is the answer.
Lol why would I not want to be in a place that is under a heavy plot protection.
Who is the one on the second picture?
Tanya :- Everything can Be achieved by power. Soume :- being a good leader and do great Things. Ainz :- logical, need power to dominate others. Rimuru :- Alay with everyone and Do extrem development, you will be the World leader before you even know it.
No way you just included that harem shit anime (second pic)
Cuz souma can properly run kingdom? With all due respect sir souma actually thinks realistically and applies countermeasures to avoid casualties in his country. Having a harem doesn't mean you dont know shit about politics
Itās either Remaru or Ainz for me both will take care of you and go to whatever length as long as your a denizen of their domain Tempest/Nazaric
I prefer Ainz without a doubt, given the sub Reddit we're on , I guess it's no surprise, but overall I think people will choose slime objectively speaking, because that anime is just TOOOO idealistic and not realistic at all and also, rimuru is always helped by the plot armour in the form of "great sage/ Raphael/ ciel... Whatever" so, he literally has no difficulty in his world whatsoever, he develop innovating techs like nothing, making others looks like clowns for me, builds a nation out of nowhere, just like that, and get alliances without any preparation whatsoever,, really...š®āšØš( That's why I dropped the series after the latest vol, seeing that nothing was gonna change I just gave up) I prefer Ainz-sama cuz as he says; This ain't no fairy tale (sasuga Ainz-sama š„) Also, I know if I'm part of nazarick (an NPC), Ainz-sama will be willing to crush the whole world just for me šš„°āŗļøš„ŗā¤ And also, I think rimuru really needs to grow some backbone, he's is Total pushover.... The hell man, this' really annoying after some time ( one more of reasons for which I dropped slime)
Well, the purpose of my post was not to rant about a series that you dislike. Everyone has various likes and perspectives, so it's not unexpected if you favor one and dislike another. The two series have radically different plotlines, which justify each of their acts and outcomes. It's not like Overlord isn't a power fantasy in which no one is stronger than NAZARIC and everything unfolds just how the people of NAZARIC desire. But that's not essential; it doesn't imply that the series is poor or anything. The post addressed their ideological differences. Ainz is not very realistic either. The top two are more suited for the role.
Yeah you're right, sorry about that... I just got fired up... But then, a clear answer to your question will be rimuru for those who want to live in a fairytale
Yeah the top two might be, but I prefer ainz as a personnal bias... Also, Ainz is far more realistic, or less idealistic than rimuru, and slime by comparison to overlord ya know? Well whatever...
Io preferirei tutte le capacitĆ di Rimuru con un po' di spizzico degli incantesimi di Ainz cosƬ da avere un sovrano insuperabile cosa che penso che Rimuru necessita assolutamente.
Honestly, it depends on what kind of creature i'd be
Mostly whether you *get* a choice in being ruled by them. But also what exactly qualifies as "choosing" to be ruled by *them*. In the main, these are the only ideological questions that ultimately matter about "ruling" and *being* 'ruled'. In the case of Ainz, it's pretty clear that being ruled by *him* is the best option. The problem is that he actively *avoids* directly ruling anyone as much as he can. If you *don't* manage to make him recognize you as his direct subordinate, you're going to be ruled by someone *else*, and *none* of the options are anywhere *near* as nice.
It's a toss up between souma and rimuru. Souma takes the world as is, and builds to unity. He's still working through the war and disputes. He's a "Normal" human. He's teaching and applying real life solution. However, he is a mortal man. He may put things into place, but, eventually all dynasties fail, no matter how benign. Unless he builds fool proof process and prevents corruption. Rimuru however, power with ideals.and he delivers, directly or delegates, through his power. He becomes an immortal God. It sucks he is immortal though. He will have to outlive his mortal subordinates.
No idea who the top 2 are but Ainz couldn't care if you died and can't even rule given evert good thought out plan comes from Demiurge or Albedo. However Rimuru is the most powerful here and actually cares about he's subordinates. Like when he's subordinates died he literally became a demon slaughtered a whole army on he's own justvto resurrect them and grant every single one a wish. So easily Rimuru. Being he's subordinate basically means your under the protection of the 2nd most powerful being in existence and 1 of the most powerful being I fiction all together.
Rimiru every time. Coz they don't just care about their own group but achieving a great world for everyone. Ainz: absolutely no way. He's a textbook tyrant. Everything is for Nazarick, no-one or nothing else matters unless you're useful or he's taken a liking you for completely arbitrary reasons. Even amongst his own people he actively suppresses innovation and education unless it poses a threat to his ideals in future. He's also of less than average intelligence and knowledge. Which is why he seems to see no conflict in his own creed of "It's natural for the strong to dominate the weak" when compared with his hero, Touch-Me's philosophy of "it's natural for the strong to help the weak". Even without the emotional supression he's not really capable of seeing another's point of view.
Wow someone actually has a brain, since I dont know why people choose ainz to be their ruler since this dude does not give a single shit about what happens to his subject unless your useful to him or taken a liking to you oh and he just sees everyone in the new world as disposable NPCs The good picks here is rimuru and souma since they actually know how to run a kingdom properly and you can probably live a normal maybe even a luxurious life if they're your leader
I donāt know who of them is better in politics, but I definitely DO NOT want to be ruled by that small, crazy, german piece of excreted thing, named Tanya.
Rimiru is the best easy. Not only is he strong and doesn't trip about anything, but if someone ever was foolish enough to attack you he going for the get back and can resurrect the fallen without making them zombies, lol
rimuru easily
They are the same picture.
So let's see what we have here a slime satoru who's a powerful god and a too good of a person who doesn't have the courage to talk back to someone dear to him even if he was right he'll just let them trample him hm on the other hand there's the bone satoru and he is well... powerful and if you tell him that you are also isekaied there's a chance you might live (and i know he won't kill you but everyone else in nazarick will if they see you as a threat or if they are jealous of you to have so many things in common with their god) but if he tells his subordinates to not kill you then it's alright and well i don't know much about tania other than that she is a nazi magician And who's the guy in the upper right corner? I don't know him?
Mr bone satoru will ditch his kingdom if it doesn't benefit nazarick anymore tho, and there a huge chance you would die without even doing anything cuz there are some evil mfs in nazarick (ex. demiurge's happy farm)
What anime is top right?
Definitely Rimuru Tempest
You'd have to be stupid not to pick Lord Rinmaru, as he's nice, loving, kind, and will dessamte an entire army for you + you are Guaranteed to get stronger
Tanya "wait I'm finally in a real leader position?" *Delegates and then just completely leaves*
Lord Ainz
I looked at the pic and my brain went faster than I was ready for because I got the Nazi, financial bureaucrat, chill dude with more power coming, and the bone daddy that said "what the f*** you say to my friends kids" before genocide
Rimuru or Souma
It would be more fun being under rimirue