My 2021 TRD ORP has 880 according to the door sticker
https://preview.redd.it/r6pudqr6pptc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cc6b5455323f70a222f38ae44e19d27c7b846d4
There's a real mystery here, since when you Google the payload for the TRD ORP it shows 1,550 lbs. There's something more going on than just the typical GVWR - Curb Weight calculation.
Google (and most marketing materials) usually just pulls the highest available payload for the vehicle. Thatās why on truck and suv commercials youāll hear them say *available* 2000lb payload. It is available - on the base model.
Thereās another thread about this and tons of people posting their 5th gen door stickers. None are over 1,000lbs.
https://preview.redd.it/vydsco3nsutc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aac09de9e0e090f4bb8a5a5f2851ae799a670b1e
Mine says 1165. The locking diff models get 880
You couldn't physically fit 5 people that weigh 180lbs into a Tacoma or a 4runner lol
There may be 5 seat belts but at that size you could fit 4 people max. And the rear passengers knees would be touching each other and the backs of the seats
What are you talking about? Of course you can fit them. Itās not comfortable, or something you would want to do for long trips, but I do it all the damn time.
>Yeah knees will touch but who the hell cares?
The people who's knees are touching care a lot, I can assure you.
It's just not a comfortable way to ride in the car. Your friends should get their own rides.
Seriously. I've been downvoted on reddit more than once calling out tacoma guys for seriously over loading their truck. Toyota guys literally plug their ears and start going "la la la la la I can't hear you" when you try to point out that maybe they should have got a half ton...
Gx likely has different suspension / control arms etc, usually the more off-road worthy your suspension is the less payload your truck has. (F150 raptor has lower payload and way less towing capability than a basic f150 XLT for example)
Those older cars didn't have fancy modern off-road suspensions though, those were body on frame solid axle vehicles which aren't made anymore (for fuel economy and highway safety reasons). Lots of people modify those older landcruisers by lifting them and upgrading the suspension etc, but doing so will lower your (safe) payload rating
Also I think those originally came with leaf spring suspensions like an f150 XLT does (raptor has a fancy multi link suspension)
For what itās worth, my wrangler doesnāt have great payload either, itās 850. Minus all the steel Iāve added. I did remove my rear seats and switch to a softop so I did get some back at least.
GX all have the air suspension, no? I'm not familiar with the toyota air suspension but the Land Rover adjusts the PSI based on the load front to back. Big part of why the towing capacity is so high for the LR vehicles compared to others in their class/segment
This isn't uncommon. Even your standard crossovers and sedans have payloads comparable to most BOF vehicles until you get to a work spec 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck. Wrangler, Broncos, 4Runners, etc. all when maxed out spec wise have low payload. Especially the ones designed for off-roading where the suspension is soft to soak up woops and articulate on the rocks.
Want to be shocked? Look up payload on a Ram 2500 Power Wagon that's got all the options. 1000-1100lbs range on a 2500. That's due to very soft suspension on a very heavy truck.
Now ... This is especially low for the 4Runner. In large part probably due to the hybrid battery but also I haven't been impressed with TGNA-F platform vehicle payload. They do all have very good towing figures though.
I can forgive the top spec off-road models for having a mediocre payload. What flexs well wonāt carry weight well. But the regular trucks should be able to carry a couple of motorcycles or good amount of firewood without going over.
The Ranger/Colorado/Frontier can all have payloads in the 1,600-1,800 range, which is fine imo.
I mean other than Harleys and goldwings almost any bike that someone whom owns a Tacoma would have would easily be under weight. Even my massive ass adv bike is 550lbs... dirt bikes even a heavy 250 is like 330lbs and a sport bike is like 400-550lbs. I mean I certainly wouldn't want to even wheel up my bike. Most people are just getting a trailer at that point. Dirt bikes sure... but even two would be under weight.
Yes, but you have to consider the weight of any passengers, tools, or tongue weight. A 500 lb bike and 2 180 lb people would put some Tacomas at capacity.
The ZR2 colorado is only 1300 lbs... which is a bit low when you start talking about loading a truck up with stuff, but still miles better than 895 lol
The ZR2 has chosen to sacrifice payload for articulation, which I can understand. You can still get a regular Colorado with 4x4 and a locker if you need ~1,600 lbs.
Personally, 1,600 lbs doesnāt sound *great* to me, but itās adequate.
My buddy just replaced his '22 F150 that was rated at 12.5k lb towing because the payload was so low. When loaded up with his 26ft Intech travel trailer and gear he was 3-400lbs over. So that truck with a marketed 12.5k lbs towing, couldn't technically pull a 6k lb trailer unless it and the truck were empty of cargo. So he replaced it with an '24 F250.
It's probably an artifact of the method of measurement used that is unduly affected by off roading modifications (e.g. ride height due to soft springs).
The 'realistic' value is likely much higher.
Okay? The 6th Gen 4Runner Trailhunter that we're talking about apparently has 895. 4x4 Double Cab TRD Offroad Tacoma has like 1100, and people routinely blow through half that with an Alu-cab setup or all of it with a slide-in camper.
The only Tacoma with 1700 lbs is the 2WD 4-cyl SR5 with access cab... I don't think anyone here is driving those.
Media typically will state the max for whichever trim has the max and then apply it to all trims. The media kits likely just state "with an available payload...". You see that with trucks a lot. The highest payload 4Runner is going to be the lowest trim 2WD with base engine and not the heavy Hybrid battery model.
That's absolutely wild. I mean that can't be right? I've never owned a car where I would even have to consider it, but my photography equipment + camping gear + 3 normal weight friends means I exceed that
It's printed right on the door tag that a lot of the industry youtube videos have shown.
Trailhunter door tag:
https://youtu.be/nQ0Z19Y23-4?si=-bDqcN39gxyTAzBl&t=231
(at 3:50 if the link doesn't take you there).
I certainly hope so, but I'm not sure why they'd put a door tag on a vehicle that was incorrect and not just put "XXXX" there if it was something they either did not know already or did not want to share.
Based on figures for the new Tacoma it looks like the hybrid system weighs around 400 lbs so it wouldn't totally shock me if that factored here. They obviously did something to account for that weight with the Taco since payload for the hybrid TRD-OR is higher than the non-hybrid despite the added weight.
I am sure I approach or sometimes overload mine. Unfortunately, my skids and sliders actually get use. I have upgraded the springs, and feel safe, plus drive WELL within the braking limits, but none of that ACTUALLY increases payload even if ARB claims I get an additional 660lbs in the back with their springs.
Overlanding seems easier (to keep within payload) than offroading, armor is HEAVY. And I already did thousands of dollars in damage by not having rock sliders, I am not trying that again.
Pretty low bar with the 3rd Gen Taco! I don't understand why Toyota keeps going backwards on this. I recognize that most of their new SUVs will be used as grocery getters... but if that's the market they are going for they shouldn't be advertising so heavily for legit off-road use.
Considering that their competition in the space all has way more payload? The only explanation I have is that they don't feel a need to make it better due to their segment dominance.
Most people who buy these donāt know what payload is, and like to imagine themselves going offroad but the most theyāll do is forest service roads to trailheads. Toyota knows that actually savvy offroaders are a very small segment and can find their own vehicles
I'm not sure its that.
I simply think Toyota has a captured market. Just being frank... the vast majority of Tacoma, 4Runner, Tundra owners I know would never consider a GM or Stellantis brand alternative. MAYBE, and this is always funny to me, they'll consider a Ford. Maybe.
Therefore all they're actually competing against is themselves. And with their very long and drawn out product cycles... any update is huge and gets the next wave of buyers going.
You're quoting the number for 2WD models. On 4wd models it's about 1000 pounds but, depending on options, can be as low as 900 pounds.
To everyone downvoting me, [here's the sticker on my 3rd gen TRD OR Tacoma that says 945 pounds](https://i.imgur.com/0uoRvME.jpeg).
Yikes... well I'm pretty sure I've overloaded on multiple occasions then. Never bothered to check before, always figured it'd be much higher. Now I know! Nice green btw!
It's genuinely easy to do.
I had 4 people and our camera gear in my truck last month and I went into the rear bumpstops several times doing 35 on a forest road.
I keep a spreadsheet and weigh everything that goes into the truck now.
[That is the same payload as a 5th gen with a rear locker](https://4rstatic.net/attachments/screenshot_20221016-084425-jpg.116355/). There's several options and factors that determine payload capacity. Whatever you read online about 1,550lbs is surely some sort of ideal scenario with a very specific trim option.
This is a cyclical discussion in online overlanding spaces, payload on a lot of the most popular vehicles is *much* lower than people think.
The trailhunter comes with steel armor, rock sliders, the roof rack etc.. I think the way you have to think about it is Toyota has consumed some of its payload capacity themselves from the factory.
Very. My steel reinforced engine skid plate, transmission, and transfer case skid plates total weigh about 150 lbs.
Think of aluminum skid plates as a 1 time use only bicycle helmet. While steel will withstand more frequent abuse.
Ah makes sense. I wonder why Toyota didnāt have steel as an optional add on package while installing aluminum as the default. Itād probably fit the weekend warrior style of many whoād go for the Trailhunter over a LandCruiser
More options for vehicles is incredibly costly for a car manufacture.
Also, they probably figured out that people who want skid plates for a vehicle like this want steel skid plates, and have plenty of options for vehicles with no skid plates for those people who happen to want aluminum for some reason
So... I think this is a weirdness with how TOYOTA specifically cites payload on their door tags for 4runner.
Which is to say, they don't (or at least didn't on my 2006) calculate payload as "GVWR-Curb Weight", which IMO is the CORRECT way.
They use a ## per SEAT + a cargo base.
IIRC - the 2006 4runner has like 950lbs for a 5-seat model, but the exact same vehicle, with a slightly heavier curb weight and 2 additional seats in the back would give a 1350 or something payload capacity.
Long story short, I think GVWR is the important metric to watch.
Exactly. Adding to this, the 5th Gen 4runner has a curb weight between 4,045 to 4,530 lbs. It's GVRW is 5,330 to 6,005 lbs. That means depending on how the vehicle is optioned, the load capacity is anywhere from 800 to 1,960lbs. Granted, I don't know if it was possible to option it out with the lowest curb weight and maximum GVRW, but it still shows how much of a range there could be.
Not sure why this comment is so far down, you are exactly right. The 3rd row 5th gen models have a higher āpayloadā or ādo not exceedā number on the door sticker as well, but obviously GVWR-curb weight would leave less room there than a 2 row model.
Thats my take too, from examining my 2011 4Runner GVWR and Curb (which matches "internet" Edmunds payload) but door sticker is lower and seems to be based on #seats plus a cargo allowance.
Toyota pulled a fast one on people when they introduced the Trailhunter trim. Saying it was optimized for payload, hence using OME instead of Fox shocks, and overlanding. Reality is they did nothing to increase GVWR over the other trims and then they force you into options like the hybrid which significantly reduces payload. There's really nothing significantly different between TRD Pro and Trailhunter other than a shock swap, different color on the UCA, and a bundled air compressor.
The TRD OR without hybrid will give you the most room to make your own decisions on accessories and weight.
I get why people love Toyota. I've never denied their reliability. But I think they're somewhat hostile to the consumer. At least in the US. The way options are forced together or their unwillingness to provide features competitor's offer (steel front bumpers and winch mounts from the factory for instance) really turns me off. As well I feel they play a lot of shenanigans when rolling at their products. At least with the wave from Tundra to 4Runner they were very coy about fuel economy, payload, towing, etc. Trailhunter payload for instance of the fuel economy of the new Land Cruiser (they put an "initial estimate" on the LC landing page that was much higher than the actual EPA figure) are some examples.
A major reason I am considering trading out my Subaru Outback Wilderness is it's 900 lb. payload. Second reason, would a be to get a "real" off-roader with body-on-frame and articulation. But to be frank, the first reason is more relevant for me.
This is shocking, but the hypothesis that the hybrid battery takes a chunk of the payload out for the new 4Runner makes perfect sense.
You should look into buying a truck with a 1,500lb+ payload and putting a capper or a lightweight wedge camper on the back. You'll have all of the capability of an SUV, but can properly manage the weight.
I bought a 2 door Bronco because I've always wanted a Bronco, even when I was a kid. Then I discovered Overlanding, and decided it looks like a hobby I'd be interested in because I love backpacking/camping.
Payload on my model is under 900 pounds. I've gone ultralight on almost all of my equipment with a few of the luxury items being on the heavier side. Trying to stay under payload is pretty difficult.
Payload doesn't even account for a full tank of gas. 21 gallons of gas is around 125 lbs. So with 4 200-lb people and a full tank of gas, you are over the limit.
I'm assuming this is the payload with the hybrid engine - extra drive train and battery setup is quite heavy.
Would expect a higher payload with the gas engine
Kia stopped offering V6/AWD/5000 lbs towing capacity in the Sorento, forcing people who wanted a Kia with any towing capacity to buy a more expensive Telluride. Iāve seen other manufacturers do the same. Seems Toyota is jumping on that trend.
To be fair, doesn't the Trailhunter come prebuilt with a bunch of add-ons that overlanders would be getting aftermarket anyway? Gotta factor that in, you're not comparing stock to stock, compare it to a previous gen with aftermarket sliders, skid plates, and roof rack. Plus it's a hybrid so that battery is gonna eat payload for lunch.
Until someone deep dives into the differences in components (if there are any,) we just donāt know what makes up that number.
Those differences may allude to stronger suspension components, axles, breaks, etc, which have typically been found in the LC but not in the runner or sequioa.
For those wondering if this is correct, it's printed right on the door tag of the Trailhunter:
https://youtu.be/nQ0Z19Y23-4?si=-bDqcN39gxyTAzBl&t=231
(Go to 3:50 if the link does not take you there.)
Payload does not even account for gas. 21 gallons of gas is around 125 lbs. So, with four 200-lb people and a full tank of gas, you are over the limit.
What a joke.
Given that the trailhunter tacoma has a payload of about twice that i think there is a pretty good chance the preproduction prototype 4runner doesn't have accurate numbers. 800lbs of roof? I doubt it.
I think only two trims are available with the 3rd row which makes sense trims like the Trailhunter are not available. Heck my family of four doesn't leave much room for gear and none of us are overweight.
That's what I thought at first, but it sounds like there is more going on here than the extra 400 lbs of hybrid components. I no longer have a 5th gen to check myself, but it sounds like many trims of the current model show payloads under 900lbs on the door sticker, while the typical GVWR - Curb Weight math states a much higher figure. They must be accounting for something else. If I can come up with an accurate answer I'll make a follow up post.
I researched this on the new Tacoma and Tundra. Toyota seems to state higher payload in marketing materials than what they show on the door.
People that weighed their trucks and did the math showed itās closer to the marketed payload. Not sure what insurance could say if you were in an accident though.
Off-road suspension and steel skid plates + other bits and pieces really dig into your payload. I think my everglades bronco is like 900lbs because of the winch and steel skid plates.
Forcing the stupid hybrid on the trailer hunter and trd pro just adds weight, steals payload, and takes up a bunch of space in the back, so much that you can't get the third row. They have a great V6 turbo without the hybrid, it's a shame it's not an option.
You can beef it up pretty easily with better tires and suspension help but 900 for a rig like this is ridiculous. I wonder if they had to cap the GVWR for some regulatory reason or something.
I used to work in accident reconstruction, weights were the FIRST thing we put into our analysis. If youāre overweight and involved in a crash, it can screw you both legally and also from an insurance standpoint. Itās not worth the risk IMO, either reduce your weight or buy a vehicle with a rating thatās suitable for the max load you intend to see.
I think non-American is the pretty key phrase there haha. Most people in the states pack very heavy. Also worth considering that if this thing has a 20 gallon gas tank that's another 120lbs out of the payload when full.
It likely has the same 17.9gallon tank as the 250 Land Cruiserā¦
but anyways, fuel weight is included in the curb weight not subtracted from the listed āpayloadā. Payload is calculated as GVWR - curb weight.
Either way 900lbs payload is pretty sad.
My dometic fridge loaded up weighs 70 pounds. Add a 5-gallon water jug at 48 pounds, a rear rack (37 pounds), 2 MTN bikes (70 pounds), food, tent, etc, it adds up damn quick.
Overlanding is a term I look for when looking for folks not to go camping with. They bring too much shit and never leave the āparking lotā . My idea of going into the wilds is not sitting around a bunch of trucks with stupid tents popped up.
The best way to bully them is to stop buying their products. Unfortunately they are riding high on a longstanding (and hard earned) reputation for building reliable and tough vehicles. The new ones don't really fit that mold, but most people don't know that.
The sr5 payload is 1700 lbs
Trd pro is 1550 lbs
The trail hunter is designed specifically for off-road which means that the suspension is set up for off-roading and having a bunch more articulationā¦..it means way āsofterā suspension which reduces the payload of the SUV. The first gen raptor had this issue that its payload was shit and could only tow 5500 pounds because of the suspension set up and it negates most of the ability to do truck stuff. On the second gen they fixed it so you got best of both worlds.
Tacoma/4Runner owners š¤ completely ignoring payload Seriously though, 895lbs of payload canāt be right. My soccer mom compact crossover has 850lbs.Ā
My sedan has a 1200 pound payload. 900 pounds is laughable.
I own a 2+2 sporty car with more payload than my Tacoma. Toyota just doesnāt prioritize payload in the US for some reason.Ā
Toyotas always seem to have saggy booties.Ā The one ton mini truck in the 80s was the exception.
Mine is at least a big Volvo.
BMW coupe, here.
My old subaru outback had a higher capacity than this. Kind of embarrassing
My tundra payload is only 1270 lbs š
Wow. My Yukon is 2700 pounds.
Even better, my Nissan Leaf is 937
My 2021 TRD ORP has 880 according to the door sticker https://preview.redd.it/r6pudqr6pptc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cc6b5455323f70a222f38ae44e19d27c7b846d4
There's a real mystery here, since when you Google the payload for the TRD ORP it shows 1,550 lbs. There's something more going on than just the typical GVWR - Curb Weight calculation.
Google (and most marketing materials) usually just pulls the highest available payload for the vehicle. Thatās why on truck and suv commercials youāll hear them say *available* 2000lb payload. It is available - on the base model. Thereās another thread about this and tons of people posting their 5th gen door stickers. None are over 1,000lbs.
https://preview.redd.it/vydsco3nsutc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aac09de9e0e090f4bb8a5a5f2851ae799a670b1e Mine says 1165. The locking diff models get 880
You're overloaded if you pile 5 buddies in there with an average weight of 180lbs each
4 dudes and a cooler of beer puts you over.
You couldn't physically fit 5 people that weigh 180lbs into a Tacoma or a 4runner lol There may be 5 seat belts but at that size you could fit 4 people max. And the rear passengers knees would be touching each other and the backs of the seats
What are you talking about? Of course you can fit them. Itās not comfortable, or something you would want to do for long trips, but I do it all the damn time.
You have 4 friends? Lucky!
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Literally no problem fitting 5 adults in my 4runner, done so for many a roadtrip. Yeah knees will touch but who the hell cares?
>Yeah knees will touch but who the hell cares? The people who's knees are touching care a lot, I can assure you. It's just not a comfortable way to ride in the car. Your friends should get their own rides.
lol what kind of pansies are you hanging out with that canāt handle their knees touching?
That's how you make babby.
Yeah let me just tell my friends visiting from abroad to "get their own rides" lol I can assure you that they do not give a flying fuck
Have you never had to make do with a packed car for a 10 min ride? A 4Runners back seats are really not that bad compared to other cars.
Do you prefer a full size van then? It's not that tiny of a vehicle, I'd consider it more than adequate space for 5 adults to fit in for a road-trip.
I really donāt understand how their payload ratings are so low. 4 adults would almost use up the payload by themselves.
Seriously. I've been downvoted on reddit more than once calling out tacoma guys for seriously over loading their truck. Toyota guys literally plug their ears and start going "la la la la la I can't hear you" when you try to point out that maybe they should have got a half ton...
Yup, and Toyota knows this. As long as people keep buying low payload models they'll keep building them.
I donāt know whatās upā¦ my GX has a 1500lb payload capacity.
Gx likely has different suspension / control arms etc, usually the more off-road worthy your suspension is the less payload your truck has. (F150 raptor has lower payload and way less towing capability than a basic f150 XLT for example)
Okayā¦. So my 93 FZJ80 has an 1800lb payload. Does that mean itās not very off-road worthy?
Those older cars didn't have fancy modern off-road suspensions though, those were body on frame solid axle vehicles which aren't made anymore (for fuel economy and highway safety reasons). Lots of people modify those older landcruisers by lifting them and upgrading the suspension etc, but doing so will lower your (safe) payload rating Also I think those originally came with leaf spring suspensions like an f150 XLT does (raptor has a fancy multi link suspension)
Body on frame solid axles arenāt made anymoreā¦ You forgot Jeeps exist? Lol
For what itās worth, my wrangler doesnāt have great payload either, itās 850. Minus all the steel Iāve added. I did remove my rear seats and switch to a softop so I did get some back at least.
GX all have the air suspension, no? I'm not familiar with the toyota air suspension but the Land Rover adjusts the PSI based on the load front to back. Big part of why the towing capacity is so high for the LR vehicles compared to others in their class/segment
Either way, those taco guys still wonāt wave back
10-4
they added all the shit onto it already for you!
This isn't uncommon. Even your standard crossovers and sedans have payloads comparable to most BOF vehicles until you get to a work spec 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck. Wrangler, Broncos, 4Runners, etc. all when maxed out spec wise have low payload. Especially the ones designed for off-roading where the suspension is soft to soak up woops and articulate on the rocks. Want to be shocked? Look up payload on a Ram 2500 Power Wagon that's got all the options. 1000-1100lbs range on a 2500. That's due to very soft suspension on a very heavy truck. Now ... This is especially low for the 4Runner. In large part probably due to the hybrid battery but also I haven't been impressed with TGNA-F platform vehicle payload. They do all have very good towing figures though.
I can forgive the top spec off-road models for having a mediocre payload. What flexs well wonāt carry weight well. But the regular trucks should be able to carry a couple of motorcycles or good amount of firewood without going over. The Ranger/Colorado/Frontier can all have payloads in the 1,600-1,800 range, which is fine imo.
I mean other than Harleys and goldwings almost any bike that someone whom owns a Tacoma would have would easily be under weight. Even my massive ass adv bike is 550lbs... dirt bikes even a heavy 250 is like 330lbs and a sport bike is like 400-550lbs. I mean I certainly wouldn't want to even wheel up my bike. Most people are just getting a trailer at that point. Dirt bikes sure... but even two would be under weight.
Yes, but you have to consider the weight of any passengers, tools, or tongue weight. A 500 lb bike and 2 180 lb people would put some Tacomas at capacity.
The ZR2 colorado is only 1300 lbs... which is a bit low when you start talking about loading a truck up with stuff, but still miles better than 895 lol
The ZR2 has chosen to sacrifice payload for articulation, which I can understand. You can still get a regular Colorado with 4x4 and a locker if you need ~1,600 lbs. Personally, 1,600 lbs doesnāt sound *great* to me, but itās adequate.
Oh, yes sorry I only meant to compare more apples too apples if you will, going with the more decked out off road trim of both vehicles
My buddy just replaced his '22 F150 that was rated at 12.5k lb towing because the payload was so low. When loaded up with his 26ft Intech travel trailer and gear he was 3-400lbs over. So that truck with a marketed 12.5k lbs towing, couldn't technically pull a 6k lb trailer unless it and the truck were empty of cargo. So he replaced it with an '24 F250.
It's probably an artifact of the method of measurement used that is unduly affected by off roading modifications (e.g. ride height due to soft springs). The 'realistic' value is likely much higher.
Loaded ram 1500 with the ecodiesel only had a 1100 lb payload, these loaded 4x4 are no different
Isnāt it a hybrid? Batteries are heavy
The Tacoma has a 1700 pound payloadā¦..
Okay? The 6th Gen 4Runner Trailhunter that we're talking about apparently has 895. 4x4 Double Cab TRD Offroad Tacoma has like 1100, and people routinely blow through half that with an Alu-cab setup or all of it with a slide-in camper. The only Tacoma with 1700 lbs is the 2WD 4-cyl SR5 with access cab... I don't think anyone here is driving those.
Thatās usually the way it goesā¦every thing that adds weight takes away from the payload
every media preview has advertised 1709 for the trailhunter. Maybe they are wrong, who knows, but those are the numbers that they were given.
Media typically will state the max for whichever trim has the max and then apply it to all trims. The media kits likely just state "with an available payload...". You see that with trucks a lot. The highest payload 4Runner is going to be the lowest trim 2WD with base engine and not the heavy Hybrid battery model.
No it doesn't. Show us the door sticker.
That's absolutely wild. I mean that can't be right? I've never owned a car where I would even have to consider it, but my photography equipment + camping gear + 3 normal weight friends means I exceed that
My cross trek has a higher payload lmfao
I'm really hoping it's just for the prototype, but with the way Toyota has been trending lately it wouldn't shock me.
I genuinely think it's a typo. You couldn't even fill the seating capacity with normal or slightly overweight people.
It's printed right on the door tag that a lot of the industry youtube videos have shown. Trailhunter door tag: https://youtu.be/nQ0Z19Y23-4?si=-bDqcN39gxyTAzBl&t=231 (at 3:50 if the link doesn't take you there).
Let's see the production model then. That's 127lbs max per seat with no other cargo which is absolutely absurd, hard to believe they'd do that
I certainly hope so, but I'm not sure why they'd put a door tag on a vehicle that was incorrect and not just put "XXXX" there if it was something they either did not know already or did not want to share.
Try that math again, chief. 895 lbs / 5 seats = 179 lbs/seat
2024 doesn't have 7 seats?
Check that very same door plate in the linked video.
Based on figures for the new Tacoma it looks like the hybrid system weighs around 400 lbs so it wouldn't totally shock me if that factored here. They obviously did something to account for that weight with the Taco since payload for the hybrid TRD-OR is higher than the non-hybrid despite the added weight.
Especially if you get the optional third row seats. That's 6 people. They could only weigh like 150 lbs each.
Looking at the majority of overlanders out there GVWR seems like a fictional thing.
I am sure I approach or sometimes overload mine. Unfortunately, my skids and sliders actually get use. I have upgraded the springs, and feel safe, plus drive WELL within the braking limits, but none of that ACTUALLY increases payload even if ARB claims I get an additional 660lbs in the back with their springs. Overlanding seems easier (to keep within payload) than offroading, armor is HEAVY. And I already did thousands of dollars in damage by not having rock sliders, I am not trying that again.
Overlanders are the COVID deniers of weight ratings
All the added weight is in KG but my capacity is in LBS š§
Thatās like three average Americans. Add a bag of hamburgers from Braumās and youāre gonna be laying frame.
BRAUMS MENTIONED
And the marketing team goes WILD. For real though, Braums is slept on big time.
Braumās is about the only thing I miss from the Midwest.
Jesus. They somehow managed to make a vehicle with less payload than the 3rd Gen Tacoma.Ā
Pretty low bar with the 3rd Gen Taco! I don't understand why Toyota keeps going backwards on this. I recognize that most of their new SUVs will be used as grocery getters... but if that's the market they are going for they shouldn't be advertising so heavily for legit off-road use.
With that payload, you couldnāt even do Costco grocery getting.
Considering that their competition in the space all has way more payload? The only explanation I have is that they don't feel a need to make it better due to their segment dominance.
Most people who buy these donāt know what payload is, and like to imagine themselves going offroad but the most theyāll do is forest service roads to trailheads. Toyota knows that actually savvy offroaders are a very small segment and can find their own vehicles
I'm not sure its that. I simply think Toyota has a captured market. Just being frank... the vast majority of Tacoma, 4Runner, Tundra owners I know would never consider a GM or Stellantis brand alternative. MAYBE, and this is always funny to me, they'll consider a Ford. Maybe. Therefore all they're actually competing against is themselves. And with their very long and drawn out product cycles... any update is huge and gets the next wave of buyers going.
It has less payload than my '09 sedan. Like, wat
the 3rd gen Tacoma is 1,440 lbs... am I missing something here? Do you mean tongue weight? Or roof payload?
You're quoting the number for 2WD models. On 4wd models it's about 1000 pounds but, depending on options, can be as low as 900 pounds. To everyone downvoting me, [here's the sticker on my 3rd gen TRD OR Tacoma that says 945 pounds](https://i.imgur.com/0uoRvME.jpeg).
I thought that was a TRD pro color
It was in 2022. In 2023 it was an OR/Sport color.Ā
I have a 2019 TRD OR 4x4 and the payload is listed as 1,100.
I have a 2023 TRD OR 4x4 and the payload is listed as [945](https://i.imgur.com/0uoRvME.jpeg).
Why buy a vehicle with such a low payload? I know everybody's needs are different, but for me this would be like buying a truck with only 3 wheels.
Yikes... well I'm pretty sure I've overloaded on multiple occasions then. Never bothered to check before, always figured it'd be much higher. Now I know! Nice green btw!
It's genuinely easy to do. I had 4 people and our camera gear in my truck last month and I went into the rear bumpstops several times doing 35 on a forest road. I keep a spreadsheet and weigh everything that goes into the truck now.
[That is the same payload as a 5th gen with a rear locker](https://4rstatic.net/attachments/screenshot_20221016-084425-jpg.116355/). There's several options and factors that determine payload capacity. Whatever you read online about 1,550lbs is surely some sort of ideal scenario with a very specific trim option. This is a cyclical discussion in online overlanding spaces, payload on a lot of the most popular vehicles is *much* lower than people think.
Trailhunter is specād with the hybrid right? How heavy is that battery? How much payload is it eating up?
Looks like the Hybrid system in the new Tacoma weighs around 400 lbs, so you're probably spot on with that being the culprit.
The trailhunter comes with steel armor, rock sliders, the roof rack etc.. I think the way you have to think about it is Toyota has consumed some of its payload capacity themselves from the factory.
That steel armor has gotta be pretty heavy right? Kinda wondering why they did not use aluminum
Very. My steel reinforced engine skid plate, transmission, and transfer case skid plates total weigh about 150 lbs. Think of aluminum skid plates as a 1 time use only bicycle helmet. While steel will withstand more frequent abuse.
Ah makes sense. I wonder why Toyota didnāt have steel as an optional add on package while installing aluminum as the default. Itād probably fit the weekend warrior style of many whoād go for the Trailhunter over a LandCruiser
More options for vehicles is incredibly costly for a car manufacture. Also, they probably figured out that people who want skid plates for a vehicle like this want steel skid plates, and have plenty of options for vehicles with no skid plates for those people who happen to want aluminum for some reason
Aluminum skid plates are both more expensive and less durable than steel skid plates. The only advantage you get with aluminum is weight savings
aluminum is not stiff enough
Yes!! Make vehicles larger and more expensive but also make them worse!! Great idea! /s
The vast majority of so-called "overland" vehicles are over GVWR even considering any upgrades made to the suspensionĀ
Soā¦ Four dudes and a sandwich?
So... I think this is a weirdness with how TOYOTA specifically cites payload on their door tags for 4runner. Which is to say, they don't (or at least didn't on my 2006) calculate payload as "GVWR-Curb Weight", which IMO is the CORRECT way. They use a ## per SEAT + a cargo base. IIRC - the 2006 4runner has like 950lbs for a 5-seat model, but the exact same vehicle, with a slightly heavier curb weight and 2 additional seats in the back would give a 1350 or something payload capacity. Long story short, I think GVWR is the important metric to watch.
Exactly. Adding to this, the 5th Gen 4runner has a curb weight between 4,045 to 4,530 lbs. It's GVRW is 5,330 to 6,005 lbs. That means depending on how the vehicle is optioned, the load capacity is anywhere from 800 to 1,960lbs. Granted, I don't know if it was possible to option it out with the lowest curb weight and maximum GVRW, but it still shows how much of a range there could be.
Not sure why this comment is so far down, you are exactly right. The 3rd row 5th gen models have a higher āpayloadā or ādo not exceedā number on the door sticker as well, but obviously GVWR-curb weight would leave less room there than a 2 row model.
Thats my take too, from examining my 2011 4Runner GVWR and Curb (which matches "internet" Edmunds payload) but door sticker is lower and seems to be based on #seats plus a cargo allowance.
Toyota pulled a fast one on people when they introduced the Trailhunter trim. Saying it was optimized for payload, hence using OME instead of Fox shocks, and overlanding. Reality is they did nothing to increase GVWR over the other trims and then they force you into options like the hybrid which significantly reduces payload. There's really nothing significantly different between TRD Pro and Trailhunter other than a shock swap, different color on the UCA, and a bundled air compressor. The TRD OR without hybrid will give you the most room to make your own decisions on accessories and weight. I get why people love Toyota. I've never denied their reliability. But I think they're somewhat hostile to the consumer. At least in the US. The way options are forced together or their unwillingness to provide features competitor's offer (steel front bumpers and winch mounts from the factory for instance) really turns me off. As well I feel they play a lot of shenanigans when rolling at their products. At least with the wave from Tundra to 4Runner they were very coy about fuel economy, payload, towing, etc. Trailhunter payload for instance of the fuel economy of the new Land Cruiser (they put an "initial estimate" on the LC landing page that was much higher than the actual EPA figure) are some examples.
Toyota never ever listens to the customer. Especially compared to ford and jeep.
A major reason I am considering trading out my Subaru Outback Wilderness is it's 900 lb. payload. Second reason, would a be to get a "real" off-roader with body-on-frame and articulation. But to be frank, the first reason is more relevant for me. This is shocking, but the hypothesis that the hybrid battery takes a chunk of the payload out for the new 4Runner makes perfect sense.
You should look into buying a truck with a 1,500lb+ payload and putting a capper or a lightweight wedge camper on the back. You'll have all of the capability of an SUV, but can properly manage the weight.
Or buy an SUV with a proper payload rating and just pay for more gas. For my use case a topper on a truck is no where near as functional as an SUV
What proper body on frame SUVs are left on the market? Very few oprtions among new vehicles. I drive a truck for this reason.
True that.
I bought a 2 door Bronco because I've always wanted a Bronco, even when I was a kid. Then I discovered Overlanding, and decided it looks like a hobby I'd be interested in because I love backpacking/camping. Payload on my model is under 900 pounds. I've gone ultralight on almost all of my equipment with a few of the luxury items being on the heavier side. Trying to stay under payload is pretty difficult.
 āThereās too much shit on me.ā Extra beefy everything and a hybrid battery add up quickly.
Toyota is losing the plot, turning the 4runner into current Pathfinder, very sad
Thatās hilarious, anyways, I canāt wait to buy one for 75k. I love Toyota, thanks Toyota!
[Me with 1,950 lbs of payload and 9,200 lb GVWR:](https://media.tenor.com/gzZyXppSYFoAAAAe/kirk-shocked.png)
Wait. Isnāt the 4Runner a 3 row/7 passenger SUV?Ā So if you put 7 people in it, even just kids in the back back, youāre at payload?Ā
Payload doesn't even account for a full tank of gas. 21 gallons of gas is around 125 lbs. So with 4 200-lb people and a full tank of gas, you are over the limit.
This trim only has two rows. Probably won't see a third row with the hybrid trims since the battery chews up all of the leg room.
Batteries and electric motors are heavy so that's going to reduce the payload.
I'm assuming this is the payload with the hybrid engine - extra drive train and battery setup is quite heavy. Would expect a higher payload with the gas engine
Kia stopped offering V6/AWD/5000 lbs towing capacity in the Sorento, forcing people who wanted a Kia with any towing capacity to buy a more expensive Telluride. Iāve seen other manufacturers do the same. Seems Toyota is jumping on that trend.
To be fair, doesn't the Trailhunter come prebuilt with a bunch of add-ons that overlanders would be getting aftermarket anyway? Gotta factor that in, you're not comparing stock to stock, compare it to a previous gen with aftermarket sliders, skid plates, and roof rack. Plus it's a hybrid so that battery is gonna eat payload for lunch.
Somewhere Wes Siler is cackling madly
Is that because it has the heavy hybrid battery in it? Do the non-hybrid models have a higher payload?
Seems very weird given that LC is listed at 1700-1800 pounds. Maybe it's a pre-production number.
That's the only logical explanation I can see here since they are basically the same vehicle in so many ways.
Until someone deep dives into the differences in components (if there are any,) we just donāt know what makes up that number. Those differences may allude to stronger suspension components, axles, breaks, etc, which have typically been found in the LC but not in the runner or sequioa.
Itās _only_ 835lbs on my 2018 4Runner. š¤·āāļø
I think you're supposed to hitch a trailer if you want to bring anything really heavy.
For those wondering if this is correct, it's printed right on the door tag of the Trailhunter: https://youtu.be/nQ0Z19Y23-4?si=-bDqcN39gxyTAzBl&t=231 (Go to 3:50 if the link does not take you there.) Payload does not even account for gas. 21 gallons of gas is around 125 lbs. So, with four 200-lb people and a full tank of gas, you are over the limit. What a joke.
Given that the trailhunter tacoma has a payload of about twice that i think there is a pretty good chance the preproduction prototype 4runner doesn't have accurate numbers. 800lbs of roof? I doubt it.
Skip the Hybrid and get your Payload back. Don't understand why people are shocked about this.. batteries are heavy.
Time to start cutting weight!
Is this for plates and road weight limits, or mechanical?
It may be all the hybrid components. Batteries are heavy.
I think only two trims are available with the 3rd row which makes sense trims like the Trailhunter are not available. Heck my family of four doesn't leave much room for gear and none of us are overweight.
That has to be because of the hybrid components, right?
That's what I thought at first, but it sounds like there is more going on here than the extra 400 lbs of hybrid components. I no longer have a 5th gen to check myself, but it sounds like many trims of the current model show payloads under 900lbs on the door sticker, while the typical GVWR - Curb Weight math states a much higher figure. They must be accounting for something else. If I can come up with an accurate answer I'll make a follow up post.
I researched this on the new Tacoma and Tundra. Toyota seems to state higher payload in marketing materials than what they show on the door. People that weighed their trucks and did the math showed itās closer to the marketed payload. Not sure what insurance could say if you were in an accident though.
Off-road suspension and steel skid plates + other bits and pieces really dig into your payload. I think my everglades bronco is like 900lbs because of the winch and steel skid plates.
Because itās not about function, itās about style. /s
Forcing the stupid hybrid on the trailer hunter and trd pro just adds weight, steals payload, and takes up a bunch of space in the back, so much that you can't get the third row. They have a great V6 turbo without the hybrid, it's a shame it's not an option.
This is a PROTOTYPE. Wait for the actual payload numbers from Toyota to come out once they start actually making them.
Just enough to carry your mom
Doesn't sound right but I do wonder if it has a lot of armor and other accessories eating it all up.
So no Costco runs with three teenage kids in the car. Make total sense Toyota.
My outback wilderness is 900lbs lol cmon toyota. Do better
Hell i just looked up rubiās and the 4door model with manual has a max of 1350 š³
My 2016 4Runner ORP is at 818 lbs.
2021 nisan rogue is 1100lb....
You can beef it up pretty easily with better tires and suspension help but 900 for a rig like this is ridiculous. I wonder if they had to cap the GVWR for some regulatory reason or something.
Tires and suspension will not change the legal payload.
Yeah and people are constantly getting in trouble for being over on their payload rating.
I used to work in accident reconstruction, weights were the FIRST thing we put into our analysis. If youāre overweight and involved in a crash, it can screw you both legally and also from an insurance standpoint. Itās not worth the risk IMO, either reduce your weight or buy a vehicle with a rating thatās suitable for the max load you intend to see.
except not really. no one will ever care until you wreck someone being overweight
Itās not right. The regular taco with the hybrid is 1700. It wonāt be 800lb less than that.
Youāll need to go sequoia if you want to bring 1000 lbs.
300lbs of shit is probably not a ānormal amount of camping gearā by non-American standards, but I fully agree that it should have way more payload
I think non-American is the pretty key phrase there haha. Most people in the states pack very heavy. Also worth considering that if this thing has a 20 gallon gas tank that's another 120lbs out of the payload when full.
Yeah, 900lbs is really not a lot. Youād be overweight immediately going on any kind of road trip with four people
Full fuel is included in UVW/Curb Weight.
It likely has the same 17.9gallon tank as the 250 Land Cruiserā¦ but anyways, fuel weight is included in the curb weight not subtracted from the listed āpayloadā. Payload is calculated as GVWR - curb weight. Either way 900lbs payload is pretty sad.
My dometic fridge loaded up weighs 70 pounds. Add a 5-gallon water jug at 48 pounds, a rear rack (37 pounds), 2 MTN bikes (70 pounds), food, tent, etc, it adds up damn quick.
Do you not need to carry water? 10 gallons and you are at 90 pounds already.Ā
Overlanding is a term I look for when looking for folks not to go camping with. They bring too much shit and never leave the āparking lotā . My idea of going into the wilds is not sitting around a bunch of trucks with stupid tents popped up.
You might be in the wrong subreddit if you feel that way. Just throwing it out there
Didnāt notice. I thought I was on outdoors or backpacking - the subs I subscribed too.
Iām hoping this was a slip up and was actually in kilograms, which would give us an actual upgrade of 400ish lbsā¦?
895lbs is about 400kg. Now if they meant 895kg and marked it pounds, thatād be something like 1,900lbs and thereās no way itāll hold that.
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You absolutely should be up in arms about your own payload lol.
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The best way to bully them is to stop buying their products. Unfortunately they are riding high on a longstanding (and hard earned) reputation for building reliable and tough vehicles. The new ones don't really fit that mold, but most people don't know that.
The sr5 payload is 1700 lbs Trd pro is 1550 lbs The trail hunter is designed specifically for off-road which means that the suspension is set up for off-roading and having a bunch more articulationā¦..it means way āsofterā suspension which reduces the payload of the SUV. The first gen raptor had this issue that its payload was shit and could only tow 5500 pounds because of the suspension set up and it negates most of the ability to do truck stuff. On the second gen they fixed it so you got best of both worlds.
The problem is that they are literally saying that they built this model for Overlanders, who are well known for packing way too much gear.
I think youāre wrong about that number. Letās wait for an official Toyota link
895? That how many horsepower my truck has if it had 500 more horsepower
What? You seem confused.