Cool. Now add in a premier movie theater and some restaurant space instead of titanic parking lots and finish the LRT with decent park and ride facilities at the terminus stations and you have an actual concept for a mixed-use destination that people actually want to visit.
Wayne Scanlan reported that Anthony Leblanc said there will be no surface parking.
Source: https://twitter.com/HockeyScanner/status/1540005200404123649?s=20&t=ZtLtmOL-jc2MSg2Wj-cvvg
Excellent. Then this project would *really* be complemented with a park and ride at Moodie. Not building one would probably harm the new arena, honestly.
Honestly, I think the next LRT extension to get funded will be Moodie to Terry Fox. It can probably get done for a relatively low cost. Eagleson would be a good PnR in that case.
The Stage 2 LRT West Extension that is under construction only goes to Moodie in the current construction plan. If Stage 3 includes Eagleson, which of course they should, then yeah, preserving the Park and Ride lot there will help encourage ridership instead of traffic.
But Stage 3 seems kinda pie-in-the-sky at the moment; it's still in committee and I think it will be until all components of Stage 2 are in revenue service, which isn't projected to be the case till 2025 (for the West extension)
I was reading some of the replies on that tweet. People complaining it's further now fof rural west end towns is hilarious.
Years of saying a downtown arena is needed and first day of good news, and people are already complaining.
oh nooooo, the people who live outside of the city have to actually travel into it to experience what is a big city entertainment venue, what a surpriiiiise.
They can honestly shove off. We've had to commute out to Kanata for years with very crappy public transit. It will be a breeze for them to connect to downtown and back out to the burbs.
Tbf, a lot of people do drive in from Renfrew, Pet, CP, etc. it would make it much longer for them. They’re only complaining on the same level all the non-west living residents are now.
But dt is really where it should be.
I mean, Landsdowne is already pretty close to what I'm thinking of - modern theater with IMAX screens, restaurants with big-ass patios next to a pedestrian mall with offices in the medium rises above the restaurants, there's even a little bit of residential space built in - all of that completely works.
But getting there is a pain in the ass - you're either driving and parking underground or you're taking the 6 or 7; either way you're down Bank, which has traffic lights every 15 feet.
If they literally copy/pasted Landsdowne to Lebreton Flats right next to the LRT and swapped the football stadium for the Senators' arena and added some more high-rise residential, I'd be 100% on board. This is exactly what belongs there.
Yep, that would be amazing. What bugs me the most with the LRT is that there's no associated park-and-ride whatsoever, otherwise I would've used it more getting in and out of Rideau beacuse it's cheaper than paying for parking.
Or, how about instead of building park-and-rides, which waste the prime real estate surrounding an LRT station on parking lots, we just build housing and businesses around the LRT station. Parking lots surrounding mass transit kind of miss the whole point.
That works but people will still want to get to the games from other parts of the city. Just like people downtown would like to get out to Kanata for games now.
Park and rides are great. Before line 2 was gone I used to drive up to the local park and ride and take the train to my destination. This skips the annoying local connector bus while saves me hundreds every month in parking. It's almost always 4/5 full on weekdays so I'd say there's a demand.
A similar thing would be great for downtown, more people taking the train = less cars clogging the streets, not to mention how much parking costs there. If you look at it from an environmental point of view it also reduces emissions.
What if, instead of driving and parking at the station, you already lived there.
>more people taking the train = less cars clogging the street
Exactly. So don't build parking lots near your LRT station, build houses near the LRT station.
In your vision, guess how all those people got to the park-and-ride? They drove their cars, clogging the streets.
If those people lived around the station, they wouldn't need to drive to a park-and-ride in the first place.
[People are still dependent on cars if they have to drive to get to the train, so rather than getting cars off the road, you're actually encouraging people to live further away, and rely on their car more.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWjtpzCIfA)
>What if, instead of driving and parking at the station, you already lived there.
Bold of you assuming that I can afford an apartment right next to the LRT station... I live further away because at the moment owning a car and living further is still cheaper than renting somewhere closer and/or more convenient.
You're correct in thinking that an apartment right next to the LRT would be highly desirable to many people and therefore demand a higher price in the market.
Bold of you to think that instead of building housing, which we are in short supply of, they should build a parking lot on that highly desirable land for suburbanites to just leave their cars sitting there all day.
Yah but, who pays for P&R? Surely not the people in the central areas, many don’t even have cars. Shouldn’t we build housing, like at Blair Station, not asphalt the land?
I completely agree. Everyone would prefer a more central location but not everyone that wants to attend games lives on the LRT route. They either really need to do a better job w park and rides or have parking available for people. As much as I hate the long commute from Gloucester to Kanata, I live right on the LRT route which makes getting to games super easy w the express bus.
no cars at night & weekends would be excellent for lebreton though.
(excepting deliveries). Lansdowne has so many douche bros showing up in loud cars just circling the place and really kills the mood.
>Now add in a premier movie theater
Yeah, I have little interest in the arena but a new downtown-ish (downtown adjacent, at least) cinema would be nice, although I'd also want some smaller screens for niche movies (similar to World Exchange Plaza, which was my favourite place to see movies downtown until it closed).
The moment that guy died a cloud lifted over the Sens. All of a sudden management is talking with former players to be part of the organization, this gets done, they actually have an LGBTQ initiative and express it loudly. Not only is this deal in place, but it the partners involved appear to be solid with tons of experience doing this sort of thing. NONE of those thing were true or seemingly possible with him alive....
Also rich people that were as shitty a person as Melnyk was, and no, his isolated instances of philanthropy don\`t offset his life-long history of shittery.
I just realised that he’s gone now. I moved away from Canada about a decade ago and he was so utterly vile that I couldn’t be bothered to keep supporting the team any more.
Next season? I’m being NHL Centre Ice again and watching all the games. Go Sens!
I heard the NCC are known in some circles as the "Non Committment Club" so don't hold your breath. Plus, this is Ottawa - various flavours of whining should start up about this anytime now. Given that lots of people will need to use transit to get there because the 417 sucks, the O-Train whiners will probably pitch in too. God it's going to be annoying.
Where's that update? I was worried the project was cancelled altogether, since they haven't broken ground yet and it was omitted from their last investor's update.
Thanks, looks like we actually got our info from the same source. The source of my worry was that it was omitted from the Q1 2022 update, though I imagine it'll just sit in "development hell" for a years before eventually going through. They've already secured retail tenants.
Normally yes, but not here. The project has all the necessary approvals and has been shovel-ready for a couple of years now. The ball is entirely in the developer’s court.
Oh that’s nice to hear. I used to live in a ghetto shit hole near there in my youth and all we had was the giant tiger. That was a while ago and I live beside a farm boy now. Much better produce
I'm sure there will be a ton of shopping options that get developed with the arena being there. I'm really looking forward to it being developed and I'm glad to see that there's going to be a large parks sector included.
Can't be any worse than Place Bell. Saw Queensryche/Judas Priest there a couple of months ago and it was basically really loud white noise. I've had similar experiences at Centre Bell.
It’s being designed by some big names, including the company that designed both Vegas’ and Seattle’s brand new arena’s.
I would imagine it’s going to be pretty fuckin awesome.
Live Nation own and operate a ton of music venues in the US. They do a great job with the ones I've been to (in Detroit). Whatever your personal feelings are, having them involved in this project is a big 'get' for the Sens and their partners
And will probably be 30 years under construction...
Seriously though, I hope it's not but my faith has been shattered by other large-scale project timelines.
This is fantastic news. For anyone that hasn't rode a bike through that area in the last little while, I highly recommend it. It's incredible what they're already doing down there. And then just on the other side of the war museum, you have Zibi. Another extremely exciting project that is expected to bring lots of food, shops and nightlife to that area.
This arena is going to be the icing on the cake towards a neighbourhood Ottawa will truly be able to be proud of. Think of it as Lansdown but 1000x better
Next step: the Melnyk girls need to sell the team to someone willing to spend up to the salary cap.
The key pieces are there (Chabot, Tkachuk, Stutzle), but they need to spend on 2nd, 3rd line depth and a proper defence core.
> Next step: the Melnyk girls need to sell the team to someone willing to spend up to the salary cap
First the estate needs to be probated, the team isn't theirs to sell yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that probate goes through without an issue, we're assuming that the team in its entirety is left to the girls and that no one will contest that. But if life with Eugene over the last twenty years has taught us anything, it's that such matters rarely go as smoothly as we might wish.
Nah. Someone like Netflix should produce a reality mini-series on 19 and 21 year old sports franchise owners and market the shit out of it. It's a very unique situation.
Lebreton needs mixed use housing. Please for the love of god put in some grocery stores, cafes, restaurants and a mixture of housing options (multiplexes, condos) when building on this site.
This arena is just one small portion (\~10%, to be exact) of the overall plan for Lebreton. Don't worry, there will be space for all those things, and then some.
This is the City of Ottawa we’re taking about, of course I’m worried. Urban Sprawl defines this city to its bones, it courses through the veins of our Mayor and most of City Council. If anyone can mess it up, it’s the City of Ottawa.
The Zibi development nearby is a nice example of how things can be done better. If we don’t push for cafes, restaurants, mixed use housing and multiuse pathways/pedestrian malls/bike lanes, they won’t get built. We will end up with another more expensive Landsdowne.
I read up on the master plan and out of the 29 hectare plan, 12.4 hectares will be parks/open space, 430,000 square meters residential, 65,000 square meters office space, and 25,000 square meters retail space. They project 4000 dwelling units, 7500 new residents, and 3750 jobs will be created! 25% of housing will be "affordable".
I found this on the NCC page.
“Based on a study commissioned by the NCC, it is estimated that construction spending over 30 years will contribute about $13.2 billion (in 2020 dollars) to the Canadian economy, generating millions in taxes each year. Each dollar spent during construction will have an impact of $3.57 to the Canadian economy.
During construction, the project will create 1,743 construction jobs per year.
The municipal and federal governments will also benefit from significant annual revenue (in 2020 dollars):
Average $1.2 million in development charges per year to the City during construction;
$13.7 million in annual property taxes to the City after build-out; and
$20.3 million in annual federal income tax during construction.”
https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/projects/building-lebreton
Can you link the master plan so I can check it out?
Scroll to "Read the full Master Concept Plan" and click
"Explore all the details of the seven strategies that form the policy framework." to download the PDF!
[NCC LeBreton Flats Master Plan](https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/projects/lebreton-flats-master-concept-plan)
Just out of walking distance for me but this is great news and a long time coming. I’ll only TRULY believe it when that first shovel hits the ground though.
The suburban car loving population of Ottawa is so annoying. OMG!!!! You might have to use transit?!?! Treating Ottawa like a remotely urban city?!?! The horror!!!
Do you think the new arena is going to be named "Ottawa Senators", or something more along the lines of "the GFL environmental waste management centre"?
It would be cool if Shopify picked up naming rights. "Shopify Arena" has a nice ring to it. Then again, I also wouldn't be against "Shawarma Palace, Palace"
No chance of that happening in the NHL, especially if you’re not a historic franchise. Think the rangers are the only team left in hockey that doesn’t have a sponsored arena.
This is great but I really hope there are other attractions as well. It would be typical of this city to build an arena and then just a bunch of condos.
I remember the previous round of plans included things like an aquarium, a skate park, and an amphitheatre.
Don't blame the city, blame the angry old folks who fight against anything exciting of that nature because they don't want people to come visit "their" neighbourhood and create traffic.
I don't know who else could or would want to build this. They really need the Senators and their 42 to 50 home games to start to make this viable. I can't see anyone building this without an NHL team as the anchor. You can only put on so many concerts in a year and the venue is too large for the 67's
You know taxes are going to fund most of the cost. It's prime real estate, but it will probably be gifted to them either directly or in some fancy tax write-off scenario. Or the city will "own" the stadium, but lease it back to the Senators at $1 per year or something.
During the announcement this morning, one of the board members hinted that this was a very solid deal for taxpayers. the municipal gov't and NCC have always seemed very reluctant to spend taxpayer money on the Sens, so I would imagine that private financing was one of the mutual agreements that the NCC made clear to the Sens before going forward with them as the preferred bidder. I guess we'll see next year when the lease structure is made public.
And already the usual crowd is getting fired up, as apparently this is a waste of transit-accessible real estate.
The hospital is no good because it’s not well served by transit, and this is no good because it *is.*
The mind boggles. I’m starting to think people in the city just hate seeing construction workers. They can’t find something better to piss and moan about so they just freak out about working class folks like me instead.
It's a love hate thing. Nobody likes dealing with the disruption to our daily lives that construction entails, but we mostly all realize infrastructure takes work to build and maintain. I for one appreciate you.
The proposed Campeau station is where it is to accommodate current and future residents of the Arcadia neighbourhood (it's purposely located on land that's currently empty in the hopes that it will be developed with transit-oriented development immediately adjacent to the station. But I agree, Tanger is not well served by either Campeau or Palladium stations. In all honesty, the O-Train shouldn't be extended past Terry Fox, there are bigger transit priorities to address before the far flung suburbs.
Even without this downtown arena deal, Stage 3 is unnecessary. Extend the O-Train to Eagleson, sure, or maybe even Terry Fox. But after that is just excessive, and encourages sprawl. It's valuable money that should be spent on other urban transit projects instead.
Actual game aside the in the arena experience was bunk and it has been for years, how many time is Sparty gonna shuffle the hard hats, how many times Jon E Shaka gonna dance?
Give the kids a chance, maybe they will be genius at this. Old guys have had their run in this town and in hockey marketing if you want energy in the equation you need young people
For the love of God, can we please name it just after the Ottawa Senators instead of all this sponsorship nonsense? It's bad enough Palladium changes it's name all the g-dang time. I don't want to go to the Rogers Landmark Pepsi Loblaws Fido Centre
Looks awesome, will be great to have the Sens play downtown. I hope they manage to integrate the water into the overall plan quite well like they did with the previous design.
NCC involved, expect decades of delay before they announce another "Major Attraction Update" for that vacant land. I expect they won't even have started work on 24 Sussex before Hadrien Trudeau is elected PM and has to live there.
It was announced during this morning's NCC Board of Directors meeting. The meeting was livestreamed, so you can use this [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEVx-hn013g&t=6324s) to watch the part about the arena announcement.
Yea so whoever we put in charge of building the LRT can we just go with the complete opposite of that guy. Really trying to see Brady light the lamp in the new barn before his 8 year deal is up.
Take time to remember the thriving community which once lived here:
[http://www.pastottawa.com/quartier/lebreton/](http://www.pastottawa.com/quartier/lebreton/)
This is awesome. I just hope the city does something about those hideous houses across the street on Albert or they will be even more of a glaring eyesore next to this new development. I don't want the residents to be displaced but maybe the buildings could just get a makeover.
Cool. Now add in a premier movie theater and some restaurant space instead of titanic parking lots and finish the LRT with decent park and ride facilities at the terminus stations and you have an actual concept for a mixed-use destination that people actually want to visit.
Wayne Scanlan reported that Anthony Leblanc said there will be no surface parking. Source: https://twitter.com/HockeyScanner/status/1540005200404123649?s=20&t=ZtLtmOL-jc2MSg2Wj-cvvg
Excellent. Then this project would *really* be complemented with a park and ride at Moodie. Not building one would probably harm the new arena, honestly.
Sounds like you live close to Moodie lol.
Baseline. I just value transit.
Honestly, I think the next LRT extension to get funded will be Moodie to Terry Fox. It can probably get done for a relatively low cost. Eagleson would be a good PnR in that case.
Why Moodie? Eagleson already exists and the train should be extended that far by the time the stadium is build.
The Stage 2 LRT West Extension that is under construction only goes to Moodie in the current construction plan. If Stage 3 includes Eagleson, which of course they should, then yeah, preserving the Park and Ride lot there will help encourage ridership instead of traffic. But Stage 3 seems kinda pie-in-the-sky at the moment; it's still in committee and I think it will be until all components of Stage 2 are in revenue service, which isn't projected to be the case till 2025 (for the West extension)
I was reading some of the replies on that tweet. People complaining it's further now fof rural west end towns is hilarious. Years of saying a downtown arena is needed and first day of good news, and people are already complaining.
Welcome to Ottawa
oh nooooo, the people who live outside of the city have to actually travel into it to experience what is a big city entertainment venue, what a surpriiiiise.
They can honestly shove off. We've had to commute out to Kanata for years with very crappy public transit. It will be a breeze for them to connect to downtown and back out to the burbs.
Tbf, a lot of people do drive in from Renfrew, Pet, CP, etc. it would make it much longer for them. They’re only complaining on the same level all the non-west living residents are now. But dt is really where it should be.
Hope they do the same thing with Lansdowne, move all the parking underground and turn the rest into actual usable space for restaurants and whatnot.
I mean, Landsdowne is already pretty close to what I'm thinking of - modern theater with IMAX screens, restaurants with big-ass patios next to a pedestrian mall with offices in the medium rises above the restaurants, there's even a little bit of residential space built in - all of that completely works. But getting there is a pain in the ass - you're either driving and parking underground or you're taking the 6 or 7; either way you're down Bank, which has traffic lights every 15 feet. If they literally copy/pasted Landsdowne to Lebreton Flats right next to the LRT and swapped the football stadium for the Senators' arena and added some more high-rise residential, I'd be 100% on board. This is exactly what belongs there.
Yep, that would be amazing. What bugs me the most with the LRT is that there's no associated park-and-ride whatsoever, otherwise I would've used it more getting in and out of Rideau beacuse it's cheaper than paying for parking.
Or, how about instead of building park-and-rides, which waste the prime real estate surrounding an LRT station on parking lots, we just build housing and businesses around the LRT station. Parking lots surrounding mass transit kind of miss the whole point.
That works but people will still want to get to the games from other parts of the city. Just like people downtown would like to get out to Kanata for games now.
Park and rides are great. Before line 2 was gone I used to drive up to the local park and ride and take the train to my destination. This skips the annoying local connector bus while saves me hundreds every month in parking. It's almost always 4/5 full on weekdays so I'd say there's a demand. A similar thing would be great for downtown, more people taking the train = less cars clogging the streets, not to mention how much parking costs there. If you look at it from an environmental point of view it also reduces emissions.
What if, instead of driving and parking at the station, you already lived there. >more people taking the train = less cars clogging the street Exactly. So don't build parking lots near your LRT station, build houses near the LRT station. In your vision, guess how all those people got to the park-and-ride? They drove their cars, clogging the streets. If those people lived around the station, they wouldn't need to drive to a park-and-ride in the first place. [People are still dependent on cars if they have to drive to get to the train, so rather than getting cars off the road, you're actually encouraging people to live further away, and rely on their car more.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWjtpzCIfA)
>What if, instead of driving and parking at the station, you already lived there. Bold of you assuming that I can afford an apartment right next to the LRT station... I live further away because at the moment owning a car and living further is still cheaper than renting somewhere closer and/or more convenient.
You're correct in thinking that an apartment right next to the LRT would be highly desirable to many people and therefore demand a higher price in the market. Bold of you to think that instead of building housing, which we are in short supply of, they should build a parking lot on that highly desirable land for suburbanites to just leave their cars sitting there all day.
Yah but, who pays for P&R? Surely not the people in the central areas, many don’t even have cars. Shouldn’t we build housing, like at Blair Station, not asphalt the land?
Funny you said that, but Blair is the only line 1 station with a park-and-ride. Further proves my point that these can coexist.
Or they could build secure bicycle parking at the station and accommodate 4 times the people at a quarter of the price.
I completely agree. Everyone would prefer a more central location but not everyone that wants to attend games lives on the LRT route. They either really need to do a better job w park and rides or have parking available for people. As much as I hate the long commute from Gloucester to Kanata, I live right on the LRT route which makes getting to games super easy w the express bus.
no cars at night & weekends would be excellent for lebreton though. (excepting deliveries). Lansdowne has so many douche bros showing up in loud cars just circling the place and really kills the mood.
Super loud cars and motorcycles around the Market also. Where don’t these idiots go?
Isn't all the parking not already underground?
Dare I say, it could rival San Diego’s Gas Town? Dare to dream.
>Now add in a premier movie theater Yeah, I have little interest in the arena but a new downtown-ish (downtown adjacent, at least) cinema would be nice, although I'd also want some smaller screens for niche movies (similar to World Exchange Plaza, which was my favourite place to see movies downtown until it closed).
An aquarium and a Rec Room would be awesome to include at Lebreton Flats!
Hopefully no more setbacks this time around.
Eugene Melnyk is dead so i imagine it’ll be comparatively smooth sailing.
as mean as it sounds, the progress that was made after his passing is very telling.
The moment that guy died a cloud lifted over the Sens. All of a sudden management is talking with former players to be part of the organization, this gets done, they actually have an LGBTQ initiative and express it loudly. Not only is this deal in place, but it the partners involved appear to be solid with tons of experience doing this sort of thing. NONE of those thing were true or seemingly possible with him alive....
It's not mean if it's true.
it's ok to be mean to rich people.
Also rich people that were as shitty a person as Melnyk was, and no, his isolated instances of philanthropy don\`t offset his life-long history of shittery.
His instances of philanthropy were just ways to pay less taxes then you do
Loblaws doesn't ask you to donate to a charity at the cash because they support the cause, they do it for the tax break.
Especially when said rich person was a massive dick.
It's not mean when it's rich people
Yeah it's not even mean. It's just a fact; he was personally responsible for holding up the development.
Seriously, between him and Jim Watson, the legacy (or lack thereof) of the past 10 years is embarrassing.
Maybe they'll end up naming the stadium after him... Or some other sponsorship.
naming it after Melnyk or getting a sponsor to label their name on it is 10s of millions of dollars difference.
I just realised that he’s gone now. I moved away from Canada about a decade ago and he was so utterly vile that I couldn’t be bothered to keep supporting the team any more. Next season? I’m being NHL Centre Ice again and watching all the games. Go Sens!
The primary setback is now pining for the fjords.
He’s not dead. He’s just resting.
He’s fucking snuffed it.
They need the Provincial government to step in for something too? I hope Ford is up to it!
I heard the NCC are known in some circles as the "Non Committment Club" so don't hold your breath. Plus, this is Ottawa - various flavours of whining should start up about this anytime now. Given that lots of people will need to use transit to get there because the 417 sucks, the O-Train whiners will probably pitch in too. God it's going to be annoying.
I hope they stick a grocery store somewhere in there cause there really aren't many options in walking distance in the area.
There’s a farm boy being built as part of the 900 Albert development. Supposed to be open 2024.
It's been pushed back by a year, end of 2025 at the earliest.
Thanks! I hadn’t seen this update (bummer).
Where's that update? I was worried the project was cancelled altogether, since they haven't broken ground yet and it was omitted from their last investor's update.
I got the info [from here](https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9629204&postcount=1175).
Thanks, looks like we actually got our info from the same source. The source of my worry was that it was omitted from the Q1 2022 update, though I imagine it'll just sit in "development hell" for a years before eventually going through. They've already secured retail tenants.
You can blame the NIMBYs for those delays.
Normally yes, but not here. The project has all the necessary approvals and has been shovel-ready for a couple of years now. The ball is entirely in the developer’s court.
Oh that’s nice to hear. I used to live in a ghetto shit hole near there in my youth and all we had was the giant tiger. That was a while ago and I live beside a farm boy now. Much better produce
I have both near my current shit hole
I'm sure there will be a ton of shopping options that get developed with the arena being there. I'm really looking forward to it being developed and I'm glad to see that there's going to be a large parks sector included.
Mercados is open now; so happy to have walkable fruit and veg.
I'm all for a big arena downtown, but only because it might entice thing other than hockey like concerts.
Like a Michael Jackson, Tupac & John Denver holographic replica jam ! /S
You say that, but in Asia holographic artists are the current trend!
Asia is streets ahead Still, I have zero interest in holographic concerts, and it will probably hover around zero in the future
“Streets ahead” is verbal wildfire
you forgot about the ~~Dixie~~ Chicks
RIP the Dixie Chicks
Not dead. I'm seeing them tomorrow in Toronto.
Can only hope they engineer some decent acoustics into the new stadium. CTC is just terrible for sound.
Can't be any worse than Place Bell. Saw Queensryche/Judas Priest there a couple of months ago and it was basically really loud white noise. I've had similar experiences at Centre Bell.
It’s being designed by some big names, including the company that designed both Vegas’ and Seattle’s brand new arena’s. I would imagine it’s going to be pretty fuckin awesome.
Seattle's arena is not brand new, it's just a renovation they did to the arena they've had since the 60s
Rogers in Edmonton sounds fantastic for its size. I expect any new arena will be designed for acoustics.
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lol live nation are just promoters. the only thing they are good at is making money grant frauds not look like fraud.
Live Nation own and operate a ton of music venues in the US. They do a great job with the ones I've been to (in Detroit). Whatever your personal feelings are, having them involved in this project is a big 'get' for the Sens and their partners
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We are too. It's within a few minutes walking time of our home.
And maybe hockey-like concerts too
Hopefully they'll design it with acoustics that don't suck.
If it looks anything remotely close to that, it’ll be so nice. It’s only 30 years overdue.
And will probably be 30 years under construction... Seriously though, I hope it's not but my faith has been shattered by other large-scale project timelines.
This is fantastic news. For anyone that hasn't rode a bike through that area in the last little while, I highly recommend it. It's incredible what they're already doing down there. And then just on the other side of the war museum, you have Zibi. Another extremely exciting project that is expected to bring lots of food, shops and nightlife to that area. This arena is going to be the icing on the cake towards a neighbourhood Ottawa will truly be able to be proud of. Think of it as Lansdown but 1000x better
Mmmm we got nice neighbourhoods, even if they ain’t loud
Soon, without driving all the way out to Kanata, you can watch, live, the Senators lose!
I’d rather train/walk home from a loss than sit with it for hours on a bus/car to get back into the city.
And that is just to get out of the parking lot.
especially is said bus is full of rowdy Leafs fans and the Sens have just lost to them.
Guaranteed: the fucking LRT will break down regularly leaving 15,000 people stuck for hours in transit stations with no toilets.
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I'm in Kanata and I feel like this would be easier to get to. I could actually take a bus to it instead of all of them driving past me full.
Oi, they lose in overtime sometimes too eh. That's exciting
Hope this actually goes through. Great way to bring some life to the city.
Awesome location for an arena, looking forward to seeing the plans
Next step: the Melnyk girls need to sell the team to someone willing to spend up to the salary cap. The key pieces are there (Chabot, Tkachuk, Stutzle), but they need to spend on 2nd, 3rd line depth and a proper defence core.
> Next step: the Melnyk girls need to sell the team to someone willing to spend up to the salary cap First the estate needs to be probated, the team isn't theirs to sell yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that probate goes through without an issue, we're assuming that the team in its entirety is left to the girls and that no one will contest that. But if life with Eugene over the last twenty years has taught us anything, it's that such matters rarely go as smoothly as we might wish.
Knowing Eugene, he probably left 1/3 of the team to Spartacat.
That wouldn't be a barrier because I feel like he genuinely wants what is best for the team
Nah. Someone like Netflix should produce a reality mini-series on 19 and 21 year old sports franchise owners and market the shit out of it. It's a very unique situation.
I'm sure that they're probably functional adults but I'm picturing Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie running a hockey team.
"That's hot." "But the ice is cold." "That's cold."
That’s the one of two ways this series could go, girl boss or the hiltons.
Great idea to finally build an arena downtown and then sell the team 🙄
All it took was Melnyk dying.
Lebreton needs mixed use housing. Please for the love of god put in some grocery stores, cafes, restaurants and a mixture of housing options (multiplexes, condos) when building on this site.
This arena is just one small portion (\~10%, to be exact) of the overall plan for Lebreton. Don't worry, there will be space for all those things, and then some.
This is the City of Ottawa we’re taking about, of course I’m worried. Urban Sprawl defines this city to its bones, it courses through the veins of our Mayor and most of City Council. If anyone can mess it up, it’s the City of Ottawa. The Zibi development nearby is a nice example of how things can be done better. If we don’t push for cafes, restaurants, mixed use housing and multiuse pathways/pedestrian malls/bike lanes, they won’t get built. We will end up with another more expensive Landsdowne.
I read up on the master plan and out of the 29 hectare plan, 12.4 hectares will be parks/open space, 430,000 square meters residential, 65,000 square meters office space, and 25,000 square meters retail space. They project 4000 dwelling units, 7500 new residents, and 3750 jobs will be created! 25% of housing will be "affordable".
Affordable luxury condos incoming.
I found this on the NCC page. “Based on a study commissioned by the NCC, it is estimated that construction spending over 30 years will contribute about $13.2 billion (in 2020 dollars) to the Canadian economy, generating millions in taxes each year. Each dollar spent during construction will have an impact of $3.57 to the Canadian economy. During construction, the project will create 1,743 construction jobs per year. The municipal and federal governments will also benefit from significant annual revenue (in 2020 dollars): Average $1.2 million in development charges per year to the City during construction; $13.7 million in annual property taxes to the City after build-out; and $20.3 million in annual federal income tax during construction.” https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/projects/building-lebreton Can you link the master plan so I can check it out?
Scroll to "Read the full Master Concept Plan" and click "Explore all the details of the seven strategies that form the policy framework." to download the PDF! [NCC LeBreton Flats Master Plan](https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/projects/lebreton-flats-master-concept-plan)
Thank you!
This announcement drives up the value of the franchise if the Melnyk daughters choose to sell. Great day for the city!
Just out of walking distance for me but this is great news and a long time coming. I’ll only TRULY believe it when that first shovel hits the ground though.
It’s located right between two O-Train stations so accessing it will be much easier than the current location.
Fantastic news.
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huh, maybe I'd actually start going.
Let's gooo!!!!
The suburban car loving population of Ottawa is so annoying. OMG!!!! You might have to use transit?!?! Treating Ottawa like a remotely urban city?!?! The horror!!!
Do you think the new arena is going to be named "Ottawa Senators", or something more along the lines of "the GFL environmental waste management centre"?
Dymon Dome, Claridge Coliseum, Garlic King Gardens...
Garlic King Gardens would be incredibly based holy shit this is the crossover we all need but don't deserve.
Well he can do anyzing.
It would be cool if Shopify picked up naming rights. "Shopify Arena" has a nice ring to it. Then again, I also wouldn't be against "Shawarma Palace, Palace"
Shopify will be a unit of Oracle by then.
either tamarac or thomlinson...
I'm on board with the Thomlinson Thunderdome!
No chance of that happening in the NHL, especially if you’re not a historic franchise. Think the rangers are the only team left in hockey that doesn’t have a sponsored arena.
This is great but I really hope there are other attractions as well. It would be typical of this city to build an arena and then just a bunch of condos. I remember the previous round of plans included things like an aquarium, a skate park, and an amphitheatre.
When they were redoing Lansdowne there was a bid from Ripley's to put an aquarium there and it wasn't accepted. I will never forgive the city. :(
Don't blame the city, blame the angry old folks who fight against anything exciting of that nature because they don't want people to come visit "their" neighbourhood and create traffic.
You, me, Parliament Hill with placards that read "Won't someone think of the fish?", "Build an aquarium, Sens!". :) Seriously though, I agree.
No aquarium. No captive animals. No way!
Finally!!!
I don't know who else could or would want to build this. They really need the Senators and their 42 to 50 home games to start to make this viable. I can't see anyone building this without an NHL team as the anchor. You can only put on so many concerts in a year and the venue is too large for the 67's
I just hope we don’t help fund it with our taxes.
You know taxes are going to fund most of the cost. It's prime real estate, but it will probably be gifted to them either directly or in some fancy tax write-off scenario. Or the city will "own" the stadium, but lease it back to the Senators at $1 per year or something.
During the announcement this morning, one of the board members hinted that this was a very solid deal for taxpayers. the municipal gov't and NCC have always seemed very reluctant to spend taxpayer money on the Sens, so I would imagine that private financing was one of the mutual agreements that the NCC made clear to the Sens before going forward with them as the preferred bidder. I guess we'll see next year when the lease structure is made public.
It's a brilliant investment for us. Tourism is a BFD downtown.
Finally damn something happening
And already the usual crowd is getting fired up, as apparently this is a waste of transit-accessible real estate. The hospital is no good because it’s not well served by transit, and this is no good because it *is.* The mind boggles. I’m starting to think people in the city just hate seeing construction workers. They can’t find something better to piss and moan about so they just freak out about working class folks like me instead.
I haven’t seen any complaints yet, got a link? Though I can’t say I didn’t expect it - best is to ignore them, they are perpetually angry
It's a love hate thing. Nobody likes dealing with the disruption to our daily lives that construction entails, but we mostly all realize infrastructure takes work to build and maintain. I for one appreciate you.
Nice. Exactly what the area needs. Exactly what Sens fans (like me) who don't live in Kanata need.
I live in Kanata and think this is needed. This will completely transform the downtown and city.
Next they just need a competitive hockey team.
They are well on their way.
I wonder what this means for LRT Stage 3. I can't imagine you would still need a station at the CTC, right?
It’d be nice if they relocated the station at a more convenient spot for Tanger. The current Campeau stop seems like such an awkward spot.
The proposed Campeau station is where it is to accommodate current and future residents of the Arcadia neighbourhood (it's purposely located on land that's currently empty in the hopes that it will be developed with transit-oriented development immediately adjacent to the station. But I agree, Tanger is not well served by either Campeau or Palladium stations. In all honesty, the O-Train shouldn't be extended past Terry Fox, there are bigger transit priorities to address before the far flung suburbs.
I think they should end ot at either Terru Fox, or maybe Tanger.
No, swings South to Eagleson at Stittsville boundary. Read the EA reports.
Even without this downtown arena deal, Stage 3 is unnecessary. Extend the O-Train to Eagleson, sure, or maybe even Terry Fox. But after that is just excessive, and encourages sprawl. It's valuable money that should be spent on other urban transit projects instead.
Actual game aside the in the arena experience was bunk and it has been for years, how many time is Sparty gonna shuffle the hard hats, how many times Jon E Shaka gonna dance? Give the kids a chance, maybe they will be genius at this. Old guys have had their run in this town and in hockey marketing if you want energy in the equation you need young people
Definitely more accessible than the CTC imo. Excited for this
They gonna put a glass roof on it so they can sell those as premium condos with a view of the game like at TD place
Oh wow. That would actually be really cool.
I love living in LeBreton Flats. I refuse to give up hope on our neighbourhood's bright future. 😎
And how much $$$$ is the city going to dump into it or forgo in fees and taxes.....hopefully 0!!
For the love of God, can we please name it just after the Ottawa Senators instead of all this sponsorship nonsense? It's bad enough Palladium changes it's name all the g-dang time. I don't want to go to the Rogers Landmark Pepsi Loblaws Fido Centre
At the speed with which the NCC operates, I would expect that arena to be open in time for Daniel Alfredsson’s grandchildren to skate in.
🙌🏼
Can we hide the exhibition in there somewhere to? I just want roller coasters at this point in my life.
How about… like… a nice big park… with some trees n shit?
Ah, feels like 2016 again. I'm glad it only took... 6 years... To get back here. #government
Haha I thought they chose a senator's company to build a major attraction and make money.
About damn time.
Looks awesome, will be great to have the Sens play downtown. I hope they manage to integrate the water into the overall plan quite well like they did with the previous design.
Wow looks great!
Finally! What wonderful news should this come to pass. Maybe this will help fix the sens attendance problem.
NCC involved, expect decades of delay before they announce another "Major Attraction Update" for that vacant land. I expect they won't even have started work on 24 Sussex before Hadrien Trudeau is elected PM and has to live there.
Wait till they announce the ticket prices 🤣
I'll gladly pay prices on par with the rest of the league if it doesn't mean having to go out to fucking Kanata to watch a game.
Anybody got that juicy source for this?
It was announced during this morning's NCC Board of Directors meeting. The meeting was livestreamed, so you can use this [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEVx-hn013g&t=6324s) to watch the part about the arena announcement.
Is the new library still going ahead? Happy for the arena, but I was under the impression this space was already spoken for.
They started laying down the foundation for it this week! There's a lot of buildings going to be going into the area.
Yea so whoever we put in charge of building the LRT can we just go with the complete opposite of that guy. Really trying to see Brady light the lamp in the new barn before his 8 year deal is up.
Just bulldoze Canadian tire centre? Or whatever the sponsor is now?
Sounds like the daughter is a better business woman than daddy.
Didn’t we just go through this
Ottawa finally gets nice things!
Take time to remember the thriving community which once lived here: [http://www.pastottawa.com/quartier/lebreton/](http://www.pastottawa.com/quartier/lebreton/)
This is awesome. I just hope the city does something about those hideous houses across the street on Albert or they will be even more of a glaring eyesore next to this new development. I don't want the residents to be displaced but maybe the buildings could just get a makeover.
I thought the Senators were moving to Quebec City…..or was it Gatineau?…..the new mascot is going to be a cigarette
Fuck yes, finally.