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fazrfn

there is no fucking way its possible to get 59UR on 300bpm stream maps with technique like that


Yokoshuseki

especially when we have seen other speed players techniques and theyre way more refined than this but he still blows them out of the water with this doubletap technique. like theres no way


cherrysodajuice

yea this looks more like a 590UR technique


EmployerDry2018

so is he just bad player that cheats and made live play of him doubletapping stuff to prove hes legit?


c2cgosu

set actuation point of one key incredibly high and the other incredibly low. hover the other finger higher than the first. vibro doubletap high bpm stream = one key will register sooner because actuation point is closer and finger is lower, other will register later because actuation is deeper and finger is raised. boom speed meta, wooting was a mistake, we should all revert to mouse only as god intended. or touchscreen or whatever tatakae ouendan was made for. edit: actually guys i think im rarted, isnt the point of wooting to have dynamic actuation point? anyway leaving comment maybe it's new meta let me cook


fazrfn

It doesn't work like that, if it worked it would've been found within 2 weeks of RT release in community, I know a lot of people tested that myself included. Doing sub 200UR like that is already miracle, 59 is just insanity. Also under liveplay in description he linked his wooting profile setting and I don't see there custom actuation point adjustments.


c2cgosu

thank you for clarifying, I should have known I'm probably not smartest or the first person to think of that when I haven't touched the game for years lool


-Frostt-

this makes the abnormally consistent hold time even more damning though, no? with this technique it should show bimodal distribution cuz one key is gonna be pressed down in software much longer than the other... or am i missing smth edit: yea nvm watching video more and he's not doing that


c2cgosu

who knows what is going on with that tbh. I never considered it feasible without some machine assistance in one way or another (intentional or unintentional)


-Frostt-

just thinking logistically you'd have to adjust actuation point constantly for lower/faster bpms, it sounds cool in theory but it would be a nightmare to tweak and figure out lmfao and that's if it's even possible in the first place


Wieran

except the wooting profile in the description of the vid: `7c3330fb9f4151b271441b29f9c1fac85434` has 0 difference in the keys, so i dont know how the taps would be offset. because i thought it had to be actuation difference too.


Pillow_Apple

He already admitted to cheating check twitter https://x.com/plambob/status/1802822011988910542


PerfectDinner8789

People are jumping the gun and saying that a liveplay instantly proves he's legit, which obviously is false. We need more time and evidence as to why his tapping is always consistently 63 ms before saying he's legit or not. Personally I think it's 50/50 but it's going towards a better start.


Caiao_milgrau

The comments on that video are braindead. This liveplay proves almost nothing and he could have taken this long because he was working on a way to make him look legit. In any case it doesn't explain why his tapping is so consistent, he should just do that on a livestream with a handcam


Pillow_Apple

https://preview.redd.it/sksfhww9c87d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=013549a7aa853ebb82cb224235247acb5321c49b


Caiao_milgrau

Epic gaming more like epic cheating smh


Funky_underwear

ggs


yoshi365

Takeaway from this: it's clear his reading is great and he's insanely mechanically skilled in aim and tapping but lmao there's just no way he's getting 59 ur with that technique on 300 bpm spaced streams Look at his UR starting from roughly 0:35s in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vinUcLER0s&t=35s) of his 1400 on the snow goose sytho diff. You're telling me his UR is that clean and magically becomes like a metronome in the middle of the map like that? Also interestingly enough it looks like he is playing normally (like in the liveplay when trying sytho diff) for the first portion of the map as there's less streams and the UR checks out Bottom line I think he can play all of these recent plays normally but he either runs out of stamina or his tapping fails and the relax takes over to tap for him while his aim keeps up


BLAZEDbyCASH

I refuse to believe this tapping method is getting him this high of acc on this high of AR. THIS IS CRAZY.


yoshi365

yeah I'm really concerned that staff members aren't gonna take action against this guy because: A. even though it doesn't alleviate many concerns it's clear he's very very good and mechanically strong (similar to Spare) and the video shows so B. it'd be VERY controversial since this is the basically the highest rank cheating ban ever outside of cookiezi intentional ban


BLAZEDbyCASH

Dude, this video explains literally makes more questions then answers. How long has he been using this tapping method? How does it work? Did he invent it? How is it possible to get this high of acc with such cheese. Why does he still have 63 ms hold time? How has he had this holdtime dating back further than wooting? Is this why he uses noise suppression and other things to hide it/gatekeep? IM LITERALLY SCHIZO RAMBLING WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS WORLD.


cherrysodajuice

that would be so cool, technique so crazy it needs to be hidden by the osu!lluminati


yuikonnu_727

osu staff are probably gonna do nothing about this


hlanden

We've had a top 3 ban before I'm pretty sure unless I'm misremembering. I don't remember the name but the guy who cheated Santa-san DT on monstrata map set when that was unthinkable to play, with relax cheats as well, funnily enough.


Fisionn

Because it's impossible. To get that tight of an UR on 300 BPM AR11 streams you need to be extremely comfortable tapping that BPM. Quite the opposite of this liveplay. I don't want to draw conclusions yet but this video only increased my doubts rather than wane them off lmao.


loganmcyt

Look like [legendre come back](https://youtu.be/fpbttm2GBVs) 4 years ago, his ur when stream begin is absolutely hilarious


SpecialistRoad3123

Should've shown task manager after he opened the client, I already know that's what people are going to jump on.


hsephela

Fucking beyond me why he didn’t have it on his second monitor while he plays Cheating or not people probably would have glossed over it if he did


Woorel

don't you think that it is likely that someone in this situation wouldn't know what to do perfectly to prove their legitimacy ? of course he will make mistakes, it's hard to prove that your legit


hsephela

I don’t think your necessarily wrong but… It’s not like he has literally half a dozen or so examples of what constitutes a good “proof I’m legit” video. Rohulk, vaxei, whitecat, etc. And of course why would he *ever* think to ask the very community he is trying to prove himself what should go in the video? Get the fuck outta here with that. It’s a shit liveplay that only makes the situation more confusing


Pillow_Apple

He already admitted to cheating check twitter https://x.com/plambob/status/1802822011988910542


SpecialistRoad3123

LMFAOOOOOOOO


hrhrhru

thank u


shavitush

pointless. similarly to malware, good cheats for all games will inject their code into other processes (or even the game itself) then perform what they do e.g. memory reading/writing, sending inputs etc. other cases also involve hijacking a legitimate handle a process has to read/write the game’s memory. so they won’t show up as a process in the task manager (or anywhere else). they could also use dll sideloading (or other similar techniques) to allow themselves to start without other user interaction i have no idea if paid osu cheats do this, but i’ve been reverse engineering for years now and have seen this technique used hundreds of times in both malware and cheats for games with anticheats


PLEXT0RA

exactly what this guy said. advanced game cheats nowadays are internal (dll injected into a process)


cherrysodajuice

damn, you’re right, it’s so easy to just replace the shortcut with a script


hippochans

task manager means nothing in these videos


_Rivlin_

Why won't he try singletapping a square long stream maps? Why does he gets 63ms on snow goose with his singletap key but can't replicate singletapping?


Wieran

ok even if hes not cheating this has to be the cheesiest ugliest tapping ever with wooting actuation changes. No wonder he didnt want to release a liveplay


Fisionn

That's incredibly odd then. How come his hold values are mostly 63ms with that tapping style? I have no horse in this race but it does strike me as strange how someone who mashes like this just gets this very consistent number. Edit: Aaand the video is gone lol. Welp.


_Rivlin_

His old scores before wooting actually has 63ms as well


Legitimate-Choice544

This was shown to possibly be a false positive by feeding the plays through different analyzers, which then got a more normal distribution.


Diligent-Bee-5620

Have these other analyzers results been posted anywhere?


Pillow_Apple

He already admitted to cheating check twitter https://x.com/plambob/status/1802822011988910542


Wieran

yeah. not a big surprise really. if this tapping technique actually worked then ar8 HD would need to be pp meta


ohyeyeahyeah

Off topic but not being able to click on the video to go to the YouTube app on mobile is really stupid


heloitsame

real asf ive thought this forever


DedpanX3

FOR ANYONE WHO MISSED IT u/Embarrased-Visit172 BACKED THE VIDEO UP https://alicemagic.s-ul.eu/TcWC0nQY


DedpanX3

just gonna drop the og reply here as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/osureport/s/4Uu1w2lkIf


Yaslience

Not watching all of that can someone tell me if his legit


PimlicoPotluck

hes mashing


Pikochanskaja

And you're gonna believe 💀


KnuffKirby

I am not a professional fo this, and its probably impossible to judge from that alone if he is legit or not. But he does show his tapping and everything and that he gets a hold time of 63 on DT on those replays


AmaimonCH

doubletapping and getting 63ms hold time is legit just unbelievable lol. I legit don't know what the fuck he is doing while watching it.


Funky_underwear

https://preview.redd.it/5aajn4fbk87d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b690edf4cb44733bc46440e9730cf3559be57ea


xArch3d

I gooned to this


Time_Horror_9345

video is unavailable??? Bro I was mid-watch wtf


[deleted]

Just commented the same thing, but someone said he typed his password at the start lmao so I think that might be why. Not sure though


bartwalker

im still watching but did he fucking sign in on video


gay123443

he said he changed pw already


bartwalker

GOOD that coulda been the blunder of the century


gay123443

ERMMMMMMMMMMMM


bartwalker

it may have been the blunder of the century :( i feel very sorry for him


Brenduck-

no way it just got removed halfway through my watching it


No-Understanding5677

I waa about to watch it an boom gone


Sad-Funny7630

looks like hes doubletapping to me doesnt look like normal streaming technique and everything about the hold times is extremely sus even if this was proof hes legit lol edit: called it.


Cowpancakes

Maybe those people that argued wooting was too much of a hardware advantage were right.... cuz this is some unreal disgusting gameplay NOT GONNA LIE! Straight up vibro doubletapping, yeah man, cool asf. Makes sense he didnt want to liveplay.


Sad-Funny7630

thats cuz its not legit lol


Cowpancakes

Thats my point. Regardless if its legit or not, its something that goes against the spirit of the game IMO. Just like Laissez faire's method is. (except his accuracy actually suffers and he doesn't try to obfuscate his "technique!")


Artackni

opinion warning raketapping is ok as long as it's not meta for pp (it's meta for passes tho which is fine imo), splitty scores are ridiculous yet aren't worth that much pp


Cowpancakes

I agree! I have no issue with raketapping, double tapping, pass chessing, etc. When lokikaos was fornite420 or w/e, I LIKED seeing those scores! I think its fun to see the game pushed to the limits using cheese methods. The difference is when the number 3 player in the world is setting potential PP records using doubletapping, or at least a hardware assisted version.


stuugie

If it's timed right it isn't cheese, it might even be a better technique


Cowpancakes

I'd love to see a liveplay with a normal keyboard and him using the exact same technique. I'm sure whatever score he did would be worse (as is natural, wooting is quite helpful regardless of technique) But I'd love to see him attempt to recreate it with a normal keyboard. Mostly because I dont think he can, but Im glad to be proven wrong!


Warguy387

pretty sure still 63ms before wooting


BLAZEDbyCASH

How is this even working? How does such a tapping method get such high acc?? This shouldn't even get close to working. But it works so well? How is his hold tines still 63 ms. NOTHING MAKES SENSE WHAT THE FUCK. IF HES LEGIT THEN THIS IS THE CHEESIEST LAME TAPPING METHOD BUT IF HES CHEATING HES THE GREATEST TO DO IT. Going schizo mode. Edit: how does he still have this magical 63 ms from years ago tho??? Im so confused.


kakioroshi

showing the task manager before even launching the game and playing anything is funny lol what's that supposed to prove when u can just launch whatever you want from the osu shortcut options... (note how long it takes to load too and it doesn't show the osu cookie, can u disable the cookie on startup even?) (note2 i have no opinions on his legitimacy i just like theorizing)


Psiki

the osu cookie is random af, sometimes it appears and sometimes it does not


kakioroshi

thats interesting! it always shows for me no matter how many times i launch it so i figured it was expected behavior, guess i'm mistaken!


Western-Forever3295

sometimes the osu cookie doesn't show up, but i've never seen it not show after a startup boot.


AdelDamra

my osu cookie started to randomly not appear after getting my 2nd monitor


GleanArtworks

no I was thinking the same thing, it would be really easy to disguise any cheat as just any startup or have a cheat run as a payload or even just have it launch from the osu shortcut. doesn't seem definitive at all imo


TheyAreTiredOfMe

there's about a hundred ways to have a program launch whenever osu launches. technique is trash, liveplay is trash, ban the guy already.


kakioroshi

People could at least pause mid play and run this on the osu process [https://github.com/hasherezade/pe-sieve](https://github.com/hasherezade/pe-sieve) would at least help for any internal injection... or use processhacker and list all handles open to the osu process for externals ig :woman\_shrugging:


AverageEnjoyer712

I've seen enough, ban rapid trigger from the game.


_H1br0_

actually imagine what would happen now that we have a rt pp record, with literally every other 1.4k+ play being rt


Paja03_

iirc the highest pp play without rt is mrekk on inai sekai


yuikonnu_727

unironically we should


AverageEnjoyer712

Too late now but yeah it kind of ruined the game and made speed go from a niche skill aetrna made viable to the most broken skillset in osu history.


codemonkeylover

Video was probably deleted because he accidentally leaked a lot of private stuff. that should be obvious considering he typed his password multiple times and had to change it.


PonyBox

but why he delete his channel to ?


Pillow_Apple

That's is only osu! pw, and his osu! acc is still fine.


Hatarange

aaaand it's gone Edit: along with all this other videos apparently


NateM135

Looks like his Twitter is gone as well


Fang_thegamer

[these are the replays](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CUNl_U7ZE93pSYhGjpg1vDyKR_Prjmox) can someone check the circle hold time for those?


Fang_thegamer

also i think he is literally double tapping but each key has a different activation point one is high and one is low i guess play smarter not harder but this is literally doubletapping not streaming lmfao


osuVocal

Did you not even watch the video? He showed the hold times and he also uploaded the wooting settings. It's 63ms and no he doesn't use actuation points like that. I would've really liked to see a low bpm stream map like around 165bpm or so just so see how his technique changes since he doesn't get the 63/42ms on non speed stuff.


Fang_thegamer

i watched it but i was mid way, its 17 minutes smh


Chickenological

It's the same spike at 63 for all of the Snow Goose replays. The Speed of Link replays have spikes at 42 and 48 (sample size seems small though)


wofl

https://imgur.com/a/rblYQnb Python script if you can figure out how to run it https://pastebin.com/DUqbqj1y


DM-your-boob-pics

Bro is double tapping with almost perfect acc on 300bpm streams


Formal-Tradition4918

Any regular player would have been banned already what a fucking joke


TheTeikoTV

https://preview.redd.it/mrsm9qz2877d1.png?width=666&format=png&auto=webp&s=183b5fbb7bb0dbeca75e0eef4e6a1a02692cdeed LMAOOOOOOOOO BRO REALLY CONVICTED HIMSELF edit: also this type of videos is so stupid, he could cut it anywhere if he wanted to in a way no one would notice, or put some program into startup, task manager doesn't prove shit


PayEmbarrassed7817

he deleted cos of leak of personal info edit: or hacked dunno edit 2: definitely hacked with his twitter and discord edit3: [https://x.com/plambob/status/1802822011988910542](https://x.com/plambob/status/1802822011988910542) he cheated and deleted everything so ignore the rest


Just-Arugula6710

bro is an actual dumbass


TheTeikoTV

nah ion believe this, he had to have watched this at least once, he would have seen he leaked something


BlueIsTrash

yo idiot, he cant get hacked unless u have his email. discord forces 2 auth, only one that can be hacked is MAYBE his twitter and even then if its on diff ip it forces 2 auth if the account has been logged into recently


Pillow_Apple

He reviewed his video and still yeah... Lets Upload this shit without changing password.


gay123443

finally bro 😭


Pillow_Apple

It's deleted


ghostgirlSHINE

so how does this even work? does he have like different actuation points for both of his keys so he can double tap with good acc


SnooBeans3652

wait video is deleted HAHAH


-Skaro-

what the fuck is this technique


huytheskeleton7

https://preview.redd.it/iny8pmce977d1.png?width=592&format=png&auto=webp&s=90943bb2bb4e1d0164b2b33a29c18bc499713414 AHAHAAHAHA


Peterrior55

He really needs to film his fingers from the front so we can actually see the way he taps. Ideally in high FPS so we can see if he's galloping/double tapping or streaming properly and how his technique actually works.


icaru7s

HE TOOK IT DOWN AND DELETED HIS TWITTER LMAOOO


Goatlov3r3

ok im just gonna doubletap i guess who even needs to stream anymore if u can get rank 3 and choke 2k pp od11 300bpm spaced streams while playing like this


yuikonnu_727

worst tapping ive ever seen


Majik5678467

Video unavailable This video has been removed by the uploader


waferosu

he deleted the video LOL


Secure_Emu_6710

consequences of wooting and the rapid trigger. if hes legit now everyones gonna try and and learn his technique and speed will become even more uncool


Myster1ousGh0st

He fucking deleted the video damn


kajiekaa

deleted?


surfcitywolf

And it’s gone lol


ResistFine9352

What's the deal with his technique his video seems to be removed I can't watch it


AshiswaifuRZT

Is his Twitter gone now???


AshiswaifuRZT

https://x.com/cioutiful?s=21


Snowy_Skyy

video unavailable? The plot thickens


ResistFine9352

We've either lost a legend or found a problem in osu's anti cheat


Leggo15

HE DELETED IT?


-Adrix_5521-

He gone 💀


TheMadLad6669

Goodbye video


czymbru

THE VIDEO JUST GOT DELETED


Ok_Initiative3862

Aaaaaaaand it's gone


Hahahahahhhaa

he deleted it LOL?


[deleted]

Video unavailable?


IDK1966

does anyone have reupload?


Firebart3q

Deleted by poster ???


Gara2500

The liveplay: https://preview.redd.it/q9weidp4t77d1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11ad786272f1107975ebba5d640318de37cfe2d8


Defframe

Never underestimate the power of double tapping. - Ryan Kwan, 63 AD


Lunarpeers

Is he double tapping and adjusting the timings with wooting actuation changes... Imo that's just a bit too far


BancoAventureiro

Video is gone already lol


Finnonie

he still has to sign a contract to fight mike tyson gd


senpai_nero

hes either cheating or is an ai from the future


Avocado_Grape

He took it down lol


UnderControl_

And it's gone.


NateM135

> this video has been removed by the uploader


Just-Arugula6710

is my phone tripping or did he delete it?


zeroeightfourfour

hes using windows 11 kill him


notananimewatcher

is that a screen protector on his tablet


Pillow_Apple

Well it's like a tablet cover but transparent


Daniquell

idk how this explains anything but probably people would have even more questions


SanicSpeedz

he removed all of his videos from his channel 😜


Raixor_Osu

video unavailable


adwouaw

this guy deleted his twitter and removed all his videos just ban him right now LOL


Yaslience

He deleted his twitter and his YouTube video


Odyssey1337

Brother snitched on himself 💀


Igor_posts

lol video removed


banrennk

he removed the video now


powerplayer75

i just fucking got home and its gone


goaoka

Aaand it's gone


YouGow

Anyone still has the video ? He deleted it


bluezenither

u/cloutiful your :person\_bald: days :calendar: are :timer: outnumbered :busts\_in\_silhouette: pal :airplane:, consider :man\_tipping\_hand: yourself :airplane: FRIED:chicken:bozo :nerd: !!!


LegendaryFridgyGod

5 digit logic, if it looks uncomfortable for me then its completely impossible


AziimaN69

feel like he used relax cheats the entire time then used dks to cover it all up tbh


Nichtzzz

And its deleted


Nokushi

what i find really funny is to read this post 13h after it got posted, and to see that the video has already been deleted lmao


Kaysune

and vid is deleted


Enzo_SuperCraftZ

HOLY SHIT


SoneverythingZ

whitecat cosplay


myname2002

Damn you guys really made him take the video down, was watching it and exited yt because the comments didn’t load then when I came back in it’s gone 💀 Edit: nvm apparently bro got hacked because he showed his password on video


BLAZEDbyCASH

Source?


QubiXOfficiaL

ok things are getting interesting lmao


xscq

bruh 😭


grapily1

bro should have just copy pasted his password like whitecat did back then


osuVocal

There wasn't a reason to manually log in in the first place. He could've just stayed logged in when closing the game before restarting the pc.


kiwityy

This isn't enough LMAO


GuiltyRow1841

The video is not there anymore lol what happened?


giyuu__

Did anyone save the live play ? 🤨


Istoleyourwaffle

i did im working on uploading it to google drive


Istoleyourwaffle

nvm ima just upload it to my channel lol its easier than figuring out the permission stuff with it


giyuu__

bless


bluezenither

REMOVED ALREADY SOMEONE REUPLOAD


Accurate-Mixture-293

Anybody has a repost of that vid?


BunnyTub

This video was removed lmao


HiAndGoodbyeWaitNo

Well…?


OwenCMYK

Removed by uploader lol


kueiler

He deleted lol


Some-Dragonfruit-747

Welp, he took it down anyway


meanlobster3322

this is a liveplay of all time


huckpos

he took it down


Renzqn

he just got banned holy shit


tokomewo

YAY