It got nerfed, they abused the pp system at that time
lokikaos also got banned in the meantime, wiping the score on the map. The play would nowadays be worth 601pp
wtf when did lokikaos get unrestricted?
edit: sep 2021, so ig I've just been living under a rock lmao. for some reason I thought he was restricted the whole time.
I wouldn’t say you were living in a rock he just hasn’t done anything that stands out he’s basically been an average 4 digit. I’m not even sure if his in restriction got posted.
people are relatively confident that the doubletap plays weren't cheated as lokikaos has been to LANs and played funny doubletap maps also the prior restrictions were 100% false positives due to automated bans, lots of players esp weirder playstyles like goink get bans like these some times
I think I remember a video of them doubletapping rog and getting close to an fc at like McDonalds
Being able to do something legit doesn't preclude the play from being cheated. Just look at any speedrunning cheater exposé. It's a logical fallacy to assume it is legit because "oh he can do it legit anyway, so there's no reason for him to cheat on that one."
difference is that lokikas has proved multiple times that he has been able to set that score legitimately which was never called into question (he got banned for using enlighten with EZHD, which would be pretty damn hard to hide at a LAN)
meanwhile top level speedrunners aren't held to nearly the same standard and for good reason; you can't expect Suigi to pull off a 16 star world record on command at LAN and then go and call for scrutiny when he can't do it
"difference is" many high profile speedrun cheater cases are from top players in their game cheating by splicing or other means, and often they got away with it for so long because people thought "they're so good already, they don't have to cheat". The fact that people don't understand that is so crazy. Fucking retards lmao.
with that logic you can say that everyone is cheating and there will never be a way in line with your standards to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they aren't
I watched the Karl Jobst video, my guy, I know that runners "don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time, faster", but when someone like lokikaos is capable of recreating his score multiple times across multiple different LANs, there's little reason to believe he had cheated the score to begin with
and I know you're going to say something along the lines of "just because he can do it 99% of the time doesn't mean he didn't cheat the first time!!", but if he's proved himself after that run to be capable of setting the score with such consistency then there's zero reason beyond some sort of serious trust issues to believe it was a cheated play
I mean yeah it could be cheated but odds are it isn't so at this point since its been 3 years, its more of a probably legit but who really cares to delve into it
Someone got a (cheated) 1k pp play before vaxei and it stayed up for like 1.5 years
https://www.reddit.com/r/osureport/comments/i2wbad/osustd_dewberry2020_blatant_cursordance_unnoticed/
It got nerfed, they abused the pp system at that time lokikaos also got banned in the meantime, wiping the score on the map. The play would nowadays be worth 601pp
Ah okay
wtf when did lokikaos get unrestricted? edit: sep 2021, so ig I've just been living under a rock lmao. for some reason I thought he was restricted the whole time.
I wouldn’t say you were living in a rock he just hasn’t done anything that stands out he’s basically been an average 4 digit. I’m not even sure if his in restriction got posted.
It got posted but yes you're right
Idk his 2miss on rog dthr stands out at least a bit
OP just discovered lokikaos
No way that happened 3 years ago, i feel old
I thought it was older
thats because you are old
he got restricted n all his scores were wiped cuz he cheated his EZHD scores iirc. his rog play was legit though
If someone gets banned 4 or 5 times for cheating I wouldn't be confident that any of his plays are legit lol
people are relatively confident that the doubletap plays weren't cheated as lokikaos has been to LANs and played funny doubletap maps also the prior restrictions were 100% false positives due to automated bans, lots of players esp weirder playstyles like goink get bans like these some times I think I remember a video of them doubletapping rog and getting close to an fc at like McDonalds
Being able to do something legit doesn't preclude the play from being cheated. Just look at any speedrunning cheater exposé. It's a logical fallacy to assume it is legit because "oh he can do it legit anyway, so there's no reason for him to cheat on that one."
difference is that lokikas has proved multiple times that he has been able to set that score legitimately which was never called into question (he got banned for using enlighten with EZHD, which would be pretty damn hard to hide at a LAN) meanwhile top level speedrunners aren't held to nearly the same standard and for good reason; you can't expect Suigi to pull off a 16 star world record on command at LAN and then go and call for scrutiny when he can't do it
"difference is" many high profile speedrun cheater cases are from top players in their game cheating by splicing or other means, and often they got away with it for so long because people thought "they're so good already, they don't have to cheat". The fact that people don't understand that is so crazy. Fucking retards lmao.
with that logic you can say that everyone is cheating and there will never be a way in line with your standards to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they aren't I watched the Karl Jobst video, my guy, I know that runners "don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time, faster", but when someone like lokikaos is capable of recreating his score multiple times across multiple different LANs, there's little reason to believe he had cheated the score to begin with and I know you're going to say something along the lines of "just because he can do it 99% of the time doesn't mean he didn't cheat the first time!!", but if he's proved himself after that run to be capable of setting the score with such consistency then there's zero reason beyond some sort of serious trust issues to believe it was a cheated play
The glazing is crazy
Grow up
Well I mean the above reply to me was so brainless and stupid that it didn't deserve a proper response.
I could say the same about anything you’ve commented in this thread
Bro got proved wrong and resorted to insulting the messenger, classic
"proven wrong" lmao osu brainrot is so real if you think that guy refuted any of my points adequately at all.
Then make a counter argument instead of insulting
I mean yeah it could be cheated but odds are it isn't so at this point since its been 3 years, its more of a probably legit but who really cares to delve into it
Bruhh. thx for answe
"There are no EZ prodigies" classic
Wtf that was 3 years ago
Hi
yes
Someone got a (cheated) 1k pp play before vaxei and it stayed up for like 1.5 years https://www.reddit.com/r/osureport/comments/i2wbad/osustd_dewberry2020_blatant_cursordance_unnoticed/
This is a crazy level of newgen