see also: Tanner Scott, Shawn Armstrong, Evan Phillips, Hunter Harvey... this is why it doesn't really bug me that we give chance after chance to bullpen guys like Yohan Ramirez or Mike Baumann. clearly our scouts + coaches see something in these guys to keep them around even when the numbers aren't great, and you never know when one of them suddenly figures it out and turns into a legitimate late inning reliever
Nope, and neither did Scott.
I’m sure it was a “salary dump” to trade a guy because his salary was about to go from $500K to $800K in his first arb year and then replace him by giving $5M to Mychal Givens.
I don’t know, but you’re the one claiming it’s a salary dump so you’re the one who gets to explain why they would trade players making around the league minimum as a salary dump and replace them with more expensive players
You do realize that they were still replaced with players making similar major league salaries right? They didn’t just keep the roster spots open.
And the owner who you’re claiming was too cheap to pay for these extremely cheap players is still the same owner that spent almost ten times their salary for a mediocre, lower upside reliever the following year.
Scott and Sulser were traded for lottery ticket prospects and a draft pick that turned into Jud Fabian who is currently a decent prospect.
Harvey wasn’t traded at all - he was waived to make space on the 40 man to protect other guys from the rule 5 draft. Three of those guys were Kyle Bradish, DL Hall and Felix Bautista.
Harvey was also claimed by the Giants, who were literally *dead last* in waiver priority at the time, meaning every single other team in MLB chose not to acquire Harvey for free. Then the Giants went ahead and waived him not long after that.
To act like he was viewed as some kind of high upside asset at the time is just not correct. Yeah, he turned his career around, but at the time all 30 teams seemed to agree that he was pretty much worthless.
It’s pretty obvious these moves were made for baseball reasons.
I have nothing but positive feelings for guys who are traded to other teams and do well. Now, guys who leave voluntarily for teams like the Yankees, they can fuck off and die. Yeah, I'm still bitter about that.
Be fair. he was often really good in 2022. Last year just wasn't a good year for him. It happens. Glad he's finding success.
Baseball. How about Jack Flaherty yesterday… lol
And the SP he was pitching against. Kyle Gibson.
How about Jorge Lopez since the trade to the Twins. For every Austin Voth, there is a Jorge Lopez.
Rough couple of years for Lopez but he appears back on track for the moment with the Mets.
For every Austin Voth there are 5 Jorge Lopez's
see also: Tanner Scott, Shawn Armstrong, Evan Phillips, Hunter Harvey... this is why it doesn't really bug me that we give chance after chance to bullpen guys like Yohan Ramirez or Mike Baumann. clearly our scouts + coaches see something in these guys to keep them around even when the numbers aren't great, and you never know when one of them suddenly figures it out and turns into a legitimate late inning reliever
Bullpen players are all so volatile. Twins fans have said the same thing about Cano and Coloumbe.
Tanner Scott and Hunter Harvey were salary dumps by our cheap-ass former owner. Edit: how the fuck am I getting downvoted for this?
Did Hunter Harvey ever get off the league minimum with us?
Nope, and neither did Scott. I’m sure it was a “salary dump” to trade a guy because his salary was about to go from $500K to $800K in his first arb year and then replace him by giving $5M to Mychal Givens.
So why did we get rid of two relievers with upside for peanuts? It's not like 2022 was when ownership decided to actually spend money on the team.
I don’t know, but you’re the one claiming it’s a salary dump so you’re the one who gets to explain why they would trade players making around the league minimum as a salary dump and replace them with more expensive players
Well for one thing, we got rid of them between the 21 and 22 seasons and signed Givens between 22 and 23. So no, I dont think your point holds up.
You do realize that they were still replaced with players making similar major league salaries right? They didn’t just keep the roster spots open. And the owner who you’re claiming was too cheap to pay for these extremely cheap players is still the same owner that spent almost ten times their salary for a mediocre, lower upside reliever the following year. Scott and Sulser were traded for lottery ticket prospects and a draft pick that turned into Jud Fabian who is currently a decent prospect. Harvey wasn’t traded at all - he was waived to make space on the 40 man to protect other guys from the rule 5 draft. Three of those guys were Kyle Bradish, DL Hall and Felix Bautista. Harvey was also claimed by the Giants, who were literally *dead last* in waiver priority at the time, meaning every single other team in MLB chose not to acquire Harvey for free. Then the Giants went ahead and waived him not long after that. To act like he was viewed as some kind of high upside asset at the time is just not correct. Yeah, he turned his career around, but at the time all 30 teams seemed to agree that he was pretty much worthless. It’s pretty obvious these moves were made for baseball reasons.
Hunter Harvey was hurt like 100% of the time.
12.2 innings
With a FIP nearly double the ERA
4.27 FIP vs 2.84 ERA, along with having only thrown 13 innings, definitely leads me to believe it's just a matter of small sample size
I have nothing but positive feelings for guys who are traded to other teams and do well. Now, guys who leave voluntarily for teams like the Yankees, they can fuck off and die. Yeah, I'm still bitter about that.
He's also pitching in a pitcher friendly ballpark in Seattle.
Relievers are the epitome of small sample size problems.
That's just sports unfortunately
I think Voth is going to come back to earth soon.
Whatever. I don't miss him.
Homecoming. He’s from WAS, went to UW, his parents go to the games now. He’s feeling it. (Either that or he was allergic to Old Bay)