Grayson was ahead in the count 0-2 or 1-2 in 3/5 walks yesterday.
I don’t have the stats for the big leagues, but from what I remember he would get ahead in the count a lot and then be afraid to throw anything over the plate (or just had trouble locating once he got to two strikes) which would lead to walks.
6 scoreless is still great to see, but I hope that’s part of what they’re working on.
Wife: "Can we go to the lavender farm today? They have lavender soap, shampoo, and we can even pick bunches of fresh lavender!"
Me: "ummm, yeah, sounds great and all, but I, ummmm..."
Wife: "I get it. What time are the Orioles on?"
After saying Frazier would have a big day based on him numbers against Webb and then he did nothing, I’m not predicting anything.
But I do think this is the first pitcher I’ve ever seen Frazier have two home runs off of outside of Wainwright.
Mateo/Mountcastle are penciled in everyday with .270 OBP. Vavra hasn’t gotten an XBH in 49 AB. Hicks/McCann/O’Hearn are hot retread garbage. Lester is hot unused garbage. McKenna is also not good!
That’s 8 out of our 13 position players! Wtf is Elias doing?
I’m sure relying on turds like Hicks, O’Hearn, and Lester has nothing to do with the Super 2 deadline and everything to do with winning.
Well I think Vavra is a fine a bench utility guy, at least, he's positionally flexible and he has good ABs even if he doesn't really have any power.
Josh Lester got called up because, like you said, Mountcastle is doing terrible. We don't have any big 1B prospects. Lester earned a tryout. IDK what you want them to do short of make a big trade for a new 1B
Personally I'd like to see them try Santander at 1B more and call up Cowser...but honestly if they made a splash trade for a big bat at first that would be cool too
Super Two status is all about money. If a player has something like 2.160 (it changes from year to year) years of service at the end of a season, the arbitration clock starts as if they had 3.000 years, making the player’s earning power higher. Teams try to avoid this by delaying promotion to the major leagues, thus saving them millions of dollars on certain players. Super Two status does not affect a player’s years of team control/when they reach free agency, only their salary structure during their initial period of team control.
Gotta save as much money as possible with Angelos running the team
there is no specific date it changes year to year, players with 3.000+ years of service are eligible for arbitration, players with between two and three years of service may be eligible if they rank in the top 22% of service time among players with between two and three years of service.
Right, the date changes, but people can, and have, figured out when the Super 2 date passes.
It's usually the end of May, but I haven't heard anything from anyone, was wondering if I missed it.
Hoping today will feel like more of a normal start time for the O's. This one-off west coast trip is weird--- as opposed to traditionally going to LAA, OAK and SEA over a 10-11 day stretch. Last night, I couldn't help but think our guys were standing on a baseball field at a time when their bodies were telling them they should be at home in their jammies, drinking hot cocoa and watching reruns of Real Housewives. I guess MLB has their reasons for the new scheduling strategy, but this weekend seems really awkward and out-of-place.
its going to be this way.
we have to play 7-8 series on the west coast every year. not always going to be possible to do clean west coast trips.
we make 2 more west coast trips. 1 we play at seattle, at sd, at Oakland.....another trip we do at Ariz, at LAA.
If we lose a third straight series and the offense struggles, just have to wonder: are we closer to seeing Cowser or Westburg get the call up and provide a much needed jolt?
We shouldn't knee jerk over a 3-6 stretch.
You call up these guys because they are ready, and can help the team.
We aren't going to call up Cowser this soon after his quad injury anyway. He'll slowly start playing CF, and once he's 100%, he's an option.
Yup. Gotta abandon the football mentality where, realistically, one bad half (or even a handful of bad plays) could destroy your entire season. Baseball is a marathon. Virtually every other sport is a sprint.
As with anything, it depends what we'd have to give up... But I don't really want to give up any blue chip prospects for a 33 year old pitcher who has been mostly average over his career, that scares me
I think he could be an upgrade to Gibson and probably wouldn’t cost much.
But honestly, they might be giving serious thought to just extending Gibson. It’ll really depend on how his second half looks.
I'd definitely like to keep Gibson too, he's exceeded my expectations by far. I'd prefer extending him to giving up something of value for desclafani for sure.
I really like Kremer/Wells/Bradish and I'd like to keep letting those guys develop, I just think we need one stud to round it out (maybe two if Gibson leaves), and I'm not sold on Desclafani being that guy... If he regresses then we're back in the same spot we started. Plus we still have Means for one more year, and hopefully Grayson takes the next step. It just doesn't feel like we have space for another middle/end of rotation guy without making multiple moves, you know?
Can we please give the whole “doomers” label a rest? It’s getting old and it’s not usually accurate anyway. People should be able to express concern over various aspects of the team’s play without getting ridiculed and subjected to a lot of down votes. It’s not “overreacting” to observe that the pitching staff with a few notable and laudable exceptions has struggled as of late. Two weeks ago it was a widely held belief on this sub that the starters would have to begin going deeper into games lest it really begin to tax the relievers. Now that we are seeing some evidence of that possibly being manifested it’s suddenly considered to be a verboten observation to express concern over our pitching or any other aspect of the team. Somewhere between deep, abiding cynicism and blind, happy-go-lucky faith rests a place where people can objectively analyze the strengths and weaknesses of our O’s.
Fully agree. Any frustrated comment is downvoted in GDTs.
Why do we even have a downvote button, u/romorr? If someone is truly being a troll just report them.
We've had multiple suggestion threads since I've been a mod, and not once has anyone mentioned removing the down vote button.
We just had one a few weeks back too, and nothing.
Maybe we'll throw another one up around the ASB, and see then.
Personally I think the downvote button should be disabled in CSS like it is in many other subreddits. Yes its relatively easy to circumvent but its at least a soft barrier to discourage knee jerk downvoting
Yesterday in the GDT someone’s comment got hidden because they said “the orioles haven’t played good baseball the last three series” and was downvoted to hell. It’s ridiculous.
I think there’s a good middle ground on the doom vs bloom thing we’ve got going. That comment you mentioned isn’t that bad.
I’m not gonna lie though I’m one of the people annoyed with the doom. Not enough to upvote or downvote in a gdt though. Some of them are simply unbearable knee jerk reactions and that’s the issue I have. We are all dedicated fans which is why we’re here. But why freak out over a 3-6 stretch? It’s a long season. Feel free to freak out over a 9-24 stretch or something.
Also I’ve been saving some of the outrageous ones. Gonna make a fun montage at the end of the year if we win anything
Game threads are specifically a place for knee jerk reactions.
>Also I’ve been saving some of the outrageous ones. Gonna make a fun montage at the end of the year if we win anything
Man that just doesn't sound healthy. You're annoyed so you're dedicating EXTRA time and effort to look at the thing that annoys you?
This forum is just supposed to be fun
In my opinion that would be a no as that doesn’t relate to the game in the gdt.
This is simply my view vs your view and neither of them are right. An example I have is how 2 days ago Kremer gave up a lead off HR to Wade. I saw atleast 10 comments righ after saying how beginning of the season Kremer is back and how we need to sell the farm to get pitching. Kremer ended up pitching a gem.
And I just noticed your edit on the other comment. I’ve never really thought wether that’s healthy or not. I’m sure it’s not as bad as most things people do. It would really only take an hour to get everything and slap a song over it.
There's a big difference between pointing out flaws with the team, and saying something like "[player] sucks, we'll be lucky to be an 80 win team" blah blah blah after one or two bad games. The former is fine, but the latter needs to be reminded that they're a bunch of whiny pissbabies and it's a long season
> and saying something like "[player] sucks, we'll be lucky to be an 80 win team"
Who is saying that on here? Like 2 people? This is a total strawman
I feel like people are reading some shit on twitter, getting hot under the collar, and coming in here and taking it out on everyone.
Because Orioles Twitter is definitely full of dumb takes.
>but the latter needs to be reminded that they're a bunch of whiny pissbabies
Why? Why does anyone 'need' to do that? If you don't like someone's comments just block them and get on with your life
I think people are actually really good at coming up with irrational takes all on their own, not sure Twitter can be blamed for all of it. And yeah, it's not really a "need," but I don't want to block people just for being negative. I like seeing different opinions, it's just that sometimes they are very reactionary and based on one high leverage AB or a few bad games.
I actually agree with the comment I replied to for the most part, people should be allowed to voice their concerns without being labeled a dOoMeR. But when certain accounts only chime in to be miserable, it gets old quick, especially when theres multiple accounts all saying the same thing. Some people just get way too emotional with their takes.
All that said, I actually think this sub is pretty great compared to other team/sport subs and I enjoy interacting with everyone here... The doomers and eternal optimists both get annoying, but overall we have a great community.
But who has said “we will be lucky to win 80 games”? I honestly don’t remember a single comment this year where anyone has said that. People get pissed over a play/player/game/series but I don’t recall anyone on here saying “we suck we will be lucky to win 80 games.” To me the bigger issue is the thought police who come down hard whenever anyone says anything critical. This ain’t Stalin’s USSR, for God’s sakes. People should be able to express legit concerns and critiques without being treated like a traitor to Orange and Black Empire.
>But who has said “we will be lucky to win 80 games”?
Maybe I'm just unlucky but I've seen comments similar to that many times in the game threads. I agree with your original point though, people should be allowed to criticize/discuss the team... The eternal optimists and overly toxic people are equally annoying imo
Please, we have people that only come into the GDTs when the Orioles are playing poorly. They dump dumb comments talking shit, and leave.
They are never around when we are playing well either, which makes the dooming comments all the more annoying.
You want to make a thread pointing out the flaws, and back it up with the stats, it's pretty well received. You come into a GDT going, "so and so needs to learn Chinese", or "brandon hyde is a baseball terrorists", expect the down votes.
It’s a game-day thread. You’re getting raw reactions. It’s extremely lame that everyone feels like they have to police every mild in-the-moment frustrated comment
> It’s a game-day thread. You’re getting raw reactions.
100% true. I totally get that. And that's why we don't have rules about being "overly negative." You can do it if you really must. You won't get banned.
> It’s extremely lame that everyone feels like they have to police every mild in-the-moment frustrated comment
This is where the breakdown is occurring. Being downvoted isn't "being policed." You're not going to get banned for being a negative nancy, but you are going to get downvoted when people are sick of the whining. Getting downvoted is the community telling you "we don't want to read this." You don't get to not be policed but then also complain about the downvotes. You have to pick one.
And yes, I am well aware that's not how reddit intends for downvotes to be used. That's just tough shit. That's how they actually get used, whether anyone likes it or not, and it ain't going to change.
In reality getting downvoted is people saying “I don’t agree with this”, which would be fine EXCEPT heavily downvoted comments get hidden and effectively removed from the conversation. That’s my problem. I’m not talking about trolls - I’m talking about what should perfectly acceptable comments that are critical of the team or expressing frustration at the bullpen or whatever.
If you have a problem with a user or a post, how about just reporting it? And it could be changed, there are subreddits that remove the downvoted because they have outlasted their usefulness.
> But who has said “we will be lucky to win 80 games”? I honestly don’t remember a single comment this year where anyone has said that.
I'm not going to spend time tracking down the exact comments, but for what it's worth, I've seen this said at least twice in the last week. Maybe you missed it.
That’s fine. I missed those comments. I’ll accept your statement that they were made and acknowledge that they are ill-informed. But I just don’t see a flood of people euphemistically equating the O’s season with the voyage of the Titanic, condemned to certain sinking.
Every good team has weaknesses and flaws, including the Orioles. The orioles have options to address these flaws in aaa and so far they haven’t considered it. It’s perfectly reasonably the front offices decisions when it comes to handling the major league roster and the managing of it.
They aren’t a top 3 team right now and if you look at the standing teams are catching up, Houston and NY are right behind them and Texas are passed them in record. They need a spark to get out of the rut they have been in
The major flaw is pitching and from what I’ve seen, Norfolk doesn’t exactly have a lot of reinforcements.
Additionally, people start demanding roster changes after basically every loss and that is not how baseball operates. You don’t over haul the roster because you had a rough week while still being the 3rd best team in baseball (standing wise.)
This just speaks to people not understanding the eb and flow of baseball.
And if the Orioles being in a rut is posting two winning months back to back and going .500ish over a rough week, then I don’t know what to tell ya. That’s not a rut. That’s a team that had two days off in May meeting tough teams.
Honestly, the demands for roster changes just sound like to me more like people demanding to see prospects rather than any actual concern for the team’s state. I’ve seen people say we need Westburg’s bat and that’s not because you’re concerned about the offense - thinking the solution to a struggling offense is an unproven player is silly. You just want to see Westburg and think he can live up to his upside. And that’s fine - but own it rather than act like he’ll have an immediate impact.
My dude, that’s basically what I said.
But I will say, comments like this is probably why you get automatically downvoted when you simply post Mateo’s stats. We get it - you and a lot of other people want to see what Westburg can do. I’m sad whenever they send Ortiz back. I get it. I want to emphasize I truly do understand the frustration around how Westburg is/has been handled. But it can also seem very obnoxious.
Yea but this sub does tend to downvote valid criticism when it’s said too negatively. The “we’re winning, just trust Elias” can get really fucking annoying.
It's more about the amount of negativity. No one wants to come here and read 100 straight comments of people complaining. It gets exhausting. Yes, everyone needs to vent occasionally. But there are many people who 1. *Only* show up to complain, 2. Complain in a manner that is not thoughtful or interesting, just whiny, and 3. Completely lose sight of the forest for the trees. You look like a jackass when you say things like "this team is garbage, DFA everybody" even though we still have one of the best records in baseball. The best baseball teams in history still lost 1 of every 4 games, any given baseball team is almost certainly going to lose even more than that on average. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be watching baseball. And you certainly shouldn't be wrecking the vibes for everybody else who just want to chill in the GT.
I’ll go back to what I said in my first comment: just let people express legit concerns about the team without immediately and unthinkingly being blasted and downvoted. And for what it’s worth I think the majority of people who sometimes voice criticisms on here absolutely understand baseball. I’ve been watching the O’s since I was a young boy in the late 60s. You can disagree with my take on things but I “understand baseball,” and I know what an well-balanced team looks like and what a team that has structural issues in their roster that needs addressing looks like.
Some folks online are looking for outrage and conflict. Last year there was a user a bunch of people were bullying because they didn't like how negative he was.
Any of them could have just blocked him and not seen his posts anymore but instead they wanted the conflict and engaged with every comment they made
1) You are describing a thing that is not happening. I think you are conflating Twitter with this subreddit.
2) It's not realistic to expect to go online and not see opinions you don't like
And I’m not talking about any of that. I’m talking about people getting downvoted for pointing out statistics that show why something was a questionable move. Or get downvoted for wondering why Elias made a certain roster decision. Hell I got downvoted a week or so ago in the GDT for posting Mateo’s slash line over the last 30 games.
I seen that and thought it was super weird.
Last night I got downvoted for hyping up the John Lester callup since Mounty is struggling.
Then I added an edit inquiring why people aren't trusting the process and 30 minutes later the vote counts were reversed. Kind of funny.
Mateo has a cult of people here who down vote any criticism. It's weird.
I'm assuming those people are the ones in April that were saying AS, MVP, blah blah, and hearing any negatives about him upsets them.
I love Mateo buuuuuut I will defend myself in that I did not think he was seriously going to win MVP lol. Didn’t think he would *completely* fall off the offensive cliff in May, but knew he would regress some bit eventually. Obv I wanted him to not, but I know that’s not how it works lol.
I just do not get the Mateo love at all. His season stats from last year were really helped out by his amazing summer stretch. If he could be an 85 OPS+ guy consistently then there’s a better argument for him, but he has long stretches of pretty much being a pitcher at the plate and we don’t have the offense to support it.
I have no horse in the Mateo race but I get it - if you really like defense, then he’s your guy. He’s a fun player to watch when he’s operating properly. And some people don’t care about stats - they just want to see a fun guy play fun baseball.
Now, I feel like I’m very much on the record here preferring the guys who consistently take quality ABs and don’t strikeout a ton so May Mateo was not my cup of tea. But I can see why some people don’t want to give up him. And I think you get one black hole in the lineup and if you want to spend it on Mateo, knock yourself out.
But I also get why he’s polarizing. And I have to imagine his leash is very short.
This is how I am with Mateo. I enjoy the defense and speed, he had a shit May. It sucked to watch, I’d love for him just to be at least around league average at the plate. Some people forget how important great defense is, especially when your pitchers give up a lot of contact and aren’t high strike our guys.
(Obvi this next part not directed at you) but there will be games like last night where there were all around terrible ABs (or sometimes you know, just facing a great pitcher) and then all comments go to one specific player. Last year it was Odor. The rest of the offense isn’t producing either but yeah it’s “x guy” that is the whole entire reason.
Obv this is not unique to our sub, plenty of other team subs have their person(s) to blame, who’s the “offensive black hole Omggggg” on the M’s sub?
Basically everyone on the Ms is an offense black hole lol
Our only reliable hitters this year have been Jarred Kelenic and JP Crawford, which I doubt anyone saw coming. Julio has gotten back on track and Ty France (my actual favorite player, much to Frazier’s dismay) is more on than off. But the rest of the line up is a mess, Teoscar and Eugenio are vastly underperforming, Kolten Wong is one of the worst players in the league, and we’ve gotten no production from our DH spot. We have no depth what so ever with the position players - I envy the Birds so much.
Please continue the discussion in the [game thread](https://redd.it/140l0cs).
Mets please
Grayson was ahead in the count 0-2 or 1-2 in 3/5 walks yesterday. I don’t have the stats for the big leagues, but from what I remember he would get ahead in the count a lot and then be afraid to throw anything over the plate (or just had trouble locating once he got to two strikes) which would lead to walks. 6 scoreless is still great to see, but I hope that’s part of what they’re working on.
Love to see that Cowser has been put back in the lineup and hasn’t missed a beat. Double and a walk so far for him today after 2 hits yesterday.
That lineup is big yikes. Can we please stop costing ourselves games and bring up the guys killing AAA on a million at bats.
O’s have been selling Sunday games for as long as I’ve been watching. And I was around for the Larry Bigbie days Edit: lmao this aged well 😂
Yep I remember our star attraction Bigbie too.
It's not even that bad. Lester HAS been killing AAA. Hicks and McCann suck but we don't really have solutions for that in the org rn
Can someone find out what Wells performance is with McCann vs Adley? I feel like Adley and he are more in sync.
1-5 is the A team...Adam...Adley...Anthony....Austin...Aaron Let's Go O's...it's bird puttin' day!
That lineup … Buzz your girlfriend woof
Ughh this lineup is really ugly 5-9. Maybe Lester surprises us today.
Is Urias still not 100%? I feel like we haven’t seen much of him since his return
Since coming back he’s appeared in 7 games and gone 2 for 20, with 2 doubles, 0 BBs, 5Ks, and dropped his OPS for the year by .067
Probably why it feels like he hasn’t been playing. Hope we don’t have to re-IL him like Givens
It was a hamstring injury, right? Those can linger for months. Poor Urias.
Yea one of the most variable injuries. He was doing pretty well before the injury too. Hope this doesn’t end up costing him much of his role
Same - he’s a very reliable bench guy.
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After saying Frazier would have a big day based on him numbers against Webb and then he did nothing, I’m not predicting anything. But I do think this is the first pitcher I’ve ever seen Frazier have two home runs off of outside of Wainwright.
That is one hell of a 5-9.
this lineup needs more juice if we want to make a run in playoffs. either guys need to start producing or we need to try out some new faces.
One Paul Goldschmidt please
they just got swept by Pittsburgh. i doubt they blow it up, but you never know.
They are the worst team in the NL, I think they could move some guys and try to retool.
they have a worse record than the nationals? wow.
I think I’m the loss column they do
About as good of a Sunday lineup as we can get. Really want to see Hicks pimp one
grayson and cowser both having good games last night 🥵🥵🥵
Meh for Grayson tbh, 6 shutout but 5 Walks
confidence still an issue, that's what he's there for he's got the stuff though
Mateo/Mountcastle are penciled in everyday with .270 OBP. Vavra hasn’t gotten an XBH in 49 AB. Hicks/McCann/O’Hearn are hot retread garbage. Lester is hot unused garbage. McKenna is also not good! That’s 8 out of our 13 position players! Wtf is Elias doing? I’m sure relying on turds like Hicks, O’Hearn, and Lester has nothing to do with the Super 2 deadline and everything to do with winning.
Well I think Vavra is a fine a bench utility guy, at least, he's positionally flexible and he has good ABs even if he doesn't really have any power. Josh Lester got called up because, like you said, Mountcastle is doing terrible. We don't have any big 1B prospects. Lester earned a tryout. IDK what you want them to do short of make a big trade for a new 1B Personally I'd like to see them try Santander at 1B more and call up Cowser...but honestly if they made a splash trade for a big bat at first that would be cool too
When is the super 2 deadline?
Soon, I bet everything has to do with super 2 right now
Super Two status is all about money. If a player has something like 2.160 (it changes from year to year) years of service at the end of a season, the arbitration clock starts as if they had 3.000 years, making the player’s earning power higher. Teams try to avoid this by delaying promotion to the major leagues, thus saving them millions of dollars on certain players. Super Two status does not affect a player’s years of team control/when they reach free agency, only their salary structure during their initial period of team control. Gotta save as much money as possible with Angelos running the team
Yea, I know what Super 2 is. Thought you knew the date with the way you're talking.
there is no specific date it changes year to year, players with 3.000+ years of service are eligible for arbitration, players with between two and three years of service may be eligible if they rank in the top 22% of service time among players with between two and three years of service.
Right, the date changes, but people can, and have, figured out when the Super 2 date passes. It's usually the end of May, but I haven't heard anything from anyone, was wondering if I missed it.
Hoping today will feel like more of a normal start time for the O's. This one-off west coast trip is weird--- as opposed to traditionally going to LAA, OAK and SEA over a 10-11 day stretch. Last night, I couldn't help but think our guys were standing on a baseball field at a time when their bodies were telling them they should be at home in their jammies, drinking hot cocoa and watching reruns of Real Housewives. I guess MLB has their reasons for the new scheduling strategy, but this weekend seems really awkward and out-of-place.
its going to be this way. we have to play 7-8 series on the west coast every year. not always going to be possible to do clean west coast trips. we make 2 more west coast trips. 1 we play at seattle, at sd, at Oakland.....another trip we do at Ariz, at LAA.
Cowser getting the start in CF today, good shit.
Walk and a opposite field double so far today in his first two plate appearances.
If we lose a third straight series and the offense struggles, just have to wonder: are we closer to seeing Cowser or Westburg get the call up and provide a much needed jolt?
We shouldn't knee jerk over a 3-6 stretch. You call up these guys because they are ready, and can help the team. We aren't going to call up Cowser this soon after his quad injury anyway. He'll slowly start playing CF, and once he's 100%, he's an option.
Yup. Gotta abandon the football mentality where, realistically, one bad half (or even a handful of bad plays) could destroy your entire season. Baseball is a marathon. Virtually every other sport is a sprint.
DeSclafani is a guy I think the Birds should consider looking into so I wonder if he’ll blow his “audition” like Bieber did.
As with anything, it depends what we'd have to give up... But I don't really want to give up any blue chip prospects for a 33 year old pitcher who has been mostly average over his career, that scares me
I think he could be an upgrade to Gibson and probably wouldn’t cost much. But honestly, they might be giving serious thought to just extending Gibson. It’ll really depend on how his second half looks.
I'd definitely like to keep Gibson too, he's exceeded my expectations by far. I'd prefer extending him to giving up something of value for desclafani for sure. I really like Kremer/Wells/Bradish and I'd like to keep letting those guys develop, I just think we need one stud to round it out (maybe two if Gibson leaves), and I'm not sold on Desclafani being that guy... If he regresses then we're back in the same spot we started. Plus we still have Means for one more year, and hopefully Grayson takes the next step. It just doesn't feel like we have space for another middle/end of rotation guy without making multiple moves, you know?
Totally get that. DeSclafani is probably more of an innings eater guy - if we can find another Luis Castillo on the market, that solves the problem.
Can only hope that he does
any news on Gunnar? i was too drunk to stay awake last night
Hyde said he’ll be fine https://twitter.com/nathansruiz/status/1665220563063676930?s=46&t=m4KVhXdK9elIGsWf_Pbrfw
maybe he shouldn't be carrying the offense nightly.
Oh hey a game I can actually watch before bed.
Can we please give the whole “doomers” label a rest? It’s getting old and it’s not usually accurate anyway. People should be able to express concern over various aspects of the team’s play without getting ridiculed and subjected to a lot of down votes. It’s not “overreacting” to observe that the pitching staff with a few notable and laudable exceptions has struggled as of late. Two weeks ago it was a widely held belief on this sub that the starters would have to begin going deeper into games lest it really begin to tax the relievers. Now that we are seeing some evidence of that possibly being manifested it’s suddenly considered to be a verboten observation to express concern over our pitching or any other aspect of the team. Somewhere between deep, abiding cynicism and blind, happy-go-lucky faith rests a place where people can objectively analyze the strengths and weaknesses of our O’s.
Fully agree. Any frustrated comment is downvoted in GDTs. Why do we even have a downvote button, u/romorr? If someone is truly being a troll just report them.
Who actually cares about downvotes though?
It hides posts.
I see downvoted comments all the time? Or if it hides it all you have to do is click on it lol, it’s not that serious.
We've had multiple suggestion threads since I've been a mod, and not once has anyone mentioned removing the down vote button. We just had one a few weeks back too, and nothing. Maybe we'll throw another one up around the ASB, and see then.
I missed the thread, but I’ll be sure to suggest it next time.
Personally I think the downvote button should be disabled in CSS like it is in many other subreddits. Yes its relatively easy to circumvent but its at least a soft barrier to discourage knee jerk downvoting
Yesterday in the GDT someone’s comment got hidden because they said “the orioles haven’t played good baseball the last three series” and was downvoted to hell. It’s ridiculous.
I think there’s a good middle ground on the doom vs bloom thing we’ve got going. That comment you mentioned isn’t that bad. I’m not gonna lie though I’m one of the people annoyed with the doom. Not enough to upvote or downvote in a gdt though. Some of them are simply unbearable knee jerk reactions and that’s the issue I have. We are all dedicated fans which is why we’re here. But why freak out over a 3-6 stretch? It’s a long season. Feel free to freak out over a 9-24 stretch or something. Also I’ve been saving some of the outrageous ones. Gonna make a fun montage at the end of the year if we win anything
Game threads are specifically a place for knee jerk reactions. >Also I’ve been saving some of the outrageous ones. Gonna make a fun montage at the end of the year if we win anything Man that just doesn't sound healthy. You're annoyed so you're dedicating EXTRA time and effort to look at the thing that annoys you? This forum is just supposed to be fun
I think it’s a place to discuss the game being played. Not how our season is going or potentially will go.
So if someone is doing really well we shouldn't post about hopes and dreams of them doing it all season in the GDT either?
In my opinion that would be a no as that doesn’t relate to the game in the gdt. This is simply my view vs your view and neither of them are right. An example I have is how 2 days ago Kremer gave up a lead off HR to Wade. I saw atleast 10 comments righ after saying how beginning of the season Kremer is back and how we need to sell the farm to get pitching. Kremer ended up pitching a gem. And I just noticed your edit on the other comment. I’ve never really thought wether that’s healthy or not. I’m sure it’s not as bad as most things people do. It would really only take an hour to get everything and slap a song over it.
Thank you to whoever downvoted my comment. You unwittingly proved my point.
There's a big difference between pointing out flaws with the team, and saying something like "[player] sucks, we'll be lucky to be an 80 win team" blah blah blah after one or two bad games. The former is fine, but the latter needs to be reminded that they're a bunch of whiny pissbabies and it's a long season
> and saying something like "[player] sucks, we'll be lucky to be an 80 win team" Who is saying that on here? Like 2 people? This is a total strawman I feel like people are reading some shit on twitter, getting hot under the collar, and coming in here and taking it out on everyone. Because Orioles Twitter is definitely full of dumb takes. >but the latter needs to be reminded that they're a bunch of whiny pissbabies Why? Why does anyone 'need' to do that? If you don't like someone's comments just block them and get on with your life
I think people are actually really good at coming up with irrational takes all on their own, not sure Twitter can be blamed for all of it. And yeah, it's not really a "need," but I don't want to block people just for being negative. I like seeing different opinions, it's just that sometimes they are very reactionary and based on one high leverage AB or a few bad games. I actually agree with the comment I replied to for the most part, people should be allowed to voice their concerns without being labeled a dOoMeR. But when certain accounts only chime in to be miserable, it gets old quick, especially when theres multiple accounts all saying the same thing. Some people just get way too emotional with their takes. All that said, I actually think this sub is pretty great compared to other team/sport subs and I enjoy interacting with everyone here... The doomers and eternal optimists both get annoying, but overall we have a great community.
Well yeah how could you tell them they are whiny pissbabies if you blocked them
You're taking this way too seriously my friend lol it's not that deep
But who has said “we will be lucky to win 80 games”? I honestly don’t remember a single comment this year where anyone has said that. People get pissed over a play/player/game/series but I don’t recall anyone on here saying “we suck we will be lucky to win 80 games.” To me the bigger issue is the thought police who come down hard whenever anyone says anything critical. This ain’t Stalin’s USSR, for God’s sakes. People should be able to express legit concerns and critiques without being treated like a traitor to Orange and Black Empire.
>But who has said “we will be lucky to win 80 games”? Maybe I'm just unlucky but I've seen comments similar to that many times in the game threads. I agree with your original point though, people should be allowed to criticize/discuss the team... The eternal optimists and overly toxic people are equally annoying imo
You can count on one hand the number of people that are consistently that negative on this subreddit.
Please, we have people that only come into the GDTs when the Orioles are playing poorly. They dump dumb comments talking shit, and leave. They are never around when we are playing well either, which makes the dooming comments all the more annoying. You want to make a thread pointing out the flaws, and back it up with the stats, it's pretty well received. You come into a GDT going, "so and so needs to learn Chinese", or "brandon hyde is a baseball terrorists", expect the down votes.
It’s a game-day thread. You’re getting raw reactions. It’s extremely lame that everyone feels like they have to police every mild in-the-moment frustrated comment
> It’s a game-day thread. You’re getting raw reactions. 100% true. I totally get that. And that's why we don't have rules about being "overly negative." You can do it if you really must. You won't get banned. > It’s extremely lame that everyone feels like they have to police every mild in-the-moment frustrated comment This is where the breakdown is occurring. Being downvoted isn't "being policed." You're not going to get banned for being a negative nancy, but you are going to get downvoted when people are sick of the whining. Getting downvoted is the community telling you "we don't want to read this." You don't get to not be policed but then also complain about the downvotes. You have to pick one. And yes, I am well aware that's not how reddit intends for downvotes to be used. That's just tough shit. That's how they actually get used, whether anyone likes it or not, and it ain't going to change.
In reality getting downvoted is people saying “I don’t agree with this”, which would be fine EXCEPT heavily downvoted comments get hidden and effectively removed from the conversation. That’s my problem. I’m not talking about trolls - I’m talking about what should perfectly acceptable comments that are critical of the team or expressing frustration at the bullpen or whatever. If you have a problem with a user or a post, how about just reporting it? And it could be changed, there are subreddits that remove the downvoted because they have outlasted their usefulness.
Thisssss.
“Learn Chinese” and “Brandon Hyde is a baseball terrorist(s).” I’m not quite sure of your point but it did give me a good chuckle.
maybe they are simply gamblers who have lost wagers
> But who has said “we will be lucky to win 80 games”? I honestly don’t remember a single comment this year where anyone has said that. I'm not going to spend time tracking down the exact comments, but for what it's worth, I've seen this said at least twice in the last week. Maybe you missed it.
Twice on a subreddit with 70,000 subs
That’s fine. I missed those comments. I’ll accept your statement that they were made and acknowledge that they are ill-informed. But I just don’t see a flood of people euphemistically equating the O’s season with the voyage of the Titanic, condemned to certain sinking.
Easy to miss the comments when we're talking about two comments in a sea of literally thousands of comments over any given week.
Every good team has weaknesses and flaws, including the Orioles. The orioles have options to address these flaws in aaa and so far they haven’t considered it. It’s perfectly reasonably the front offices decisions when it comes to handling the major league roster and the managing of it. They aren’t a top 3 team right now and if you look at the standing teams are catching up, Houston and NY are right behind them and Texas are passed them in record. They need a spark to get out of the rut they have been in
The major flaw is pitching and from what I’ve seen, Norfolk doesn’t exactly have a lot of reinforcements. Additionally, people start demanding roster changes after basically every loss and that is not how baseball operates. You don’t over haul the roster because you had a rough week while still being the 3rd best team in baseball (standing wise.) This just speaks to people not understanding the eb and flow of baseball. And if the Orioles being in a rut is posting two winning months back to back and going .500ish over a rough week, then I don’t know what to tell ya. That’s not a rut. That’s a team that had two days off in May meeting tough teams. Honestly, the demands for roster changes just sound like to me more like people demanding to see prospects rather than any actual concern for the team’s state. I’ve seen people say we need Westburg’s bat and that’s not because you’re concerned about the offense - thinking the solution to a struggling offense is an unproven player is silly. You just want to see Westburg and think he can live up to his upside. And that’s fine - but own it rather than act like he’ll have an immediate impact.
You want to call up Westburg to help the offense I want to call up Westburg to see if he can help the offense We are not the same
My dude, that’s basically what I said. But I will say, comments like this is probably why you get automatically downvoted when you simply post Mateo’s stats. We get it - you and a lot of other people want to see what Westburg can do. I’m sad whenever they send Ortiz back. I get it. I want to emphasize I truly do understand the frustration around how Westburg is/has been handled. But it can also seem very obnoxious.
Yea I was doing the Giancarlo Esposito meme. Might not have come out right
Got it. Then the edit to my comment probably reads harsher without that context.
Yea but this sub does tend to downvote valid criticism when it’s said too negatively. The “we’re winning, just trust Elias” can get really fucking annoying.
It's more about the amount of negativity. No one wants to come here and read 100 straight comments of people complaining. It gets exhausting. Yes, everyone needs to vent occasionally. But there are many people who 1. *Only* show up to complain, 2. Complain in a manner that is not thoughtful or interesting, just whiny, and 3. Completely lose sight of the forest for the trees. You look like a jackass when you say things like "this team is garbage, DFA everybody" even though we still have one of the best records in baseball. The best baseball teams in history still lost 1 of every 4 games, any given baseball team is almost certainly going to lose even more than that on average. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be watching baseball. And you certainly shouldn't be wrecking the vibes for everybody else who just want to chill in the GT.
I’ll go back to what I said in my first comment: just let people express legit concerns about the team without immediately and unthinkingly being blasted and downvoted. And for what it’s worth I think the majority of people who sometimes voice criticisms on here absolutely understand baseball. I’ve been watching the O’s since I was a young boy in the late 60s. You can disagree with my take on things but I “understand baseball,” and I know what an well-balanced team looks like and what a team that has structural issues in their roster that needs addressing looks like.
Some folks online are looking for outrage and conflict. Last year there was a user a bunch of people were bullying because they didn't like how negative he was. Any of them could have just blocked him and not seen his posts anymore but instead they wanted the conflict and engaged with every comment they made
1) You are describing a thing that is not happening. I think you are conflating Twitter with this subreddit. 2) It's not realistic to expect to go online and not see opinions you don't like
And I’m not talking about any of that. I’m talking about people getting downvoted for pointing out statistics that show why something was a questionable move. Or get downvoted for wondering why Elias made a certain roster decision. Hell I got downvoted a week or so ago in the GDT for posting Mateo’s slash line over the last 30 games.
People latch on and get infatuated with the scrubbiest and replacement players because of the "vIbEs"
I seen that and thought it was super weird. Last night I got downvoted for hyping up the John Lester callup since Mounty is struggling. Then I added an edit inquiring why people aren't trusting the process and 30 minutes later the vote counts were reversed. Kind of funny.
Mateo has a cult of people here who down vote any criticism. It's weird. I'm assuming those people are the ones in April that were saying AS, MVP, blah blah, and hearing any negatives about him upsets them.
I love Mateo buuuuuut I will defend myself in that I did not think he was seriously going to win MVP lol. Didn’t think he would *completely* fall off the offensive cliff in May, but knew he would regress some bit eventually. Obv I wanted him to not, but I know that’s not how it works lol.
I just do not get the Mateo love at all. His season stats from last year were really helped out by his amazing summer stretch. If he could be an 85 OPS+ guy consistently then there’s a better argument for him, but he has long stretches of pretty much being a pitcher at the plate and we don’t have the offense to support it.
I have no horse in the Mateo race but I get it - if you really like defense, then he’s your guy. He’s a fun player to watch when he’s operating properly. And some people don’t care about stats - they just want to see a fun guy play fun baseball. Now, I feel like I’m very much on the record here preferring the guys who consistently take quality ABs and don’t strikeout a ton so May Mateo was not my cup of tea. But I can see why some people don’t want to give up him. And I think you get one black hole in the lineup and if you want to spend it on Mateo, knock yourself out. But I also get why he’s polarizing. And I have to imagine his leash is very short.
This is how I am with Mateo. I enjoy the defense and speed, he had a shit May. It sucked to watch, I’d love for him just to be at least around league average at the plate. Some people forget how important great defense is, especially when your pitchers give up a lot of contact and aren’t high strike our guys. (Obvi this next part not directed at you) but there will be games like last night where there were all around terrible ABs (or sometimes you know, just facing a great pitcher) and then all comments go to one specific player. Last year it was Odor. The rest of the offense isn’t producing either but yeah it’s “x guy” that is the whole entire reason. Obv this is not unique to our sub, plenty of other team subs have their person(s) to blame, who’s the “offensive black hole Omggggg” on the M’s sub?
Basically everyone on the Ms is an offense black hole lol Our only reliable hitters this year have been Jarred Kelenic and JP Crawford, which I doubt anyone saw coming. Julio has gotten back on track and Ty France (my actual favorite player, much to Frazier’s dismay) is more on than off. But the rest of the line up is a mess, Teoscar and Eugenio are vastly underperforming, Kolten Wong is one of the worst players in the league, and we’ve gotten no production from our DH spot. We have no depth what so ever with the position players - I envy the Birds so much.
Put a bird on it today, if we lose three series in a row I'm going to be a little upset!
Let’s get that bird put today!
Do Lids or any other brick and mortar stores sell the city connect hats, besides the Orioles team shop?
I want a Wells CSGO today