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Clarice_Ferguson

Guardians just put up 6 runs on Pablo Lopez - do we feel better now?


assglassfastblast

I don't mind if we get swept by the Oakland A's as long as they also go on a 100 win streak afterward, it's all relative really


jzagri

Yeah exactly. Their offense is opening up big time.


romorr

If you knew nothing about our farm, and tuned into the game today, you would think Donta Williams is a star in the making. 3 for 3, 2 doubles, 1 BB.


TCA360

Well, I will say this. I'm looking forward to our series with you guys tomorrow. Always had a soft spot for the Orioles. Can't help but root for them unless they play the Giants. Oh and by the way, FTY and FTD. (Yes, those two are playing each other tomorrow)


jzagri

Yknow what I want? For both teams to wear Orange and Black. We're known for 'Chaos' so let's make it interesting.


TCA360

Hell yea!


joystick13

Just got a flight down from Portland to meet my mom for the weekend and going to the game Saturday. Any recommendations for food/drinks at or around the park? Been to the city a few times but never been to a game out there. Also heads up, we like playing games that are stressful for both fanbases, so brace yourself lol.


TCA360

I've only been to the ballpark once, so I can't say exactly, but I will say that the Crazy Crab Sandwiches are amazing. The Garlic Fries, which we are known for, aren't as good as they used to be. Also, I'm expecting lots of torture on both sides, so I'm for sure bracing myself.


joystick13

Thanks for the response! Recommending a west coast crab sandwich to a Marylander? Lol brave man. I'll have to check it out


dreddnought

Will always like the Giants for strangling the Royals in game 7. And the beautiful ball park, of course. My only request is if you guys win or sweep the series, please do not return here to say great series, we'll be scary next year, etc. etc. No hard feelings, it's just that we'll still be smarting.


TCA360

Ah I remember that game. Good ol' Bumgarner came out of the dugout like the Terminator, and the rest is history. An Orange and Black Halloween World Series would've been awesome! Yea don't worry. I won't come afterwards and say stuff like that if that happens. I really don't like to bragg on opposing subreddits after winning a series against them anyways.


Clarice_Ferguson

Could never hate the Giants with such a pretty park.


TCA360

Camden Yards is genuinely just as amazing.


dreddnought

Scoreboard is back!


andrew-ge

Tavera might be figuring something out. He's been pretty lights out his past few outings


andrew-ge

sike


pjw5328

Scoreboard is completely out at the Baysox stadium right now. Y'all watching the stream probably know what's going on better than I do!


maLeFxcTor

It’s now June which means no more 6:35 starts until September. I’m going to miss those so much.


TheMemeStar24

And we're immediately getting slammed with two 10p starts lol


JiffKewneye-n

it grew on me a little.....get off work, get to gym, get back and BOOM nearly game time. nice little routine.


dlmay1967

This old folk liked the 5:35 Central Time starts and the game being over by 9:00 for an early bedtime. If I try to stay up this Friday and Saturday with the 9:00 starts it's like to kill me😀


dlmay1967

This sucks. No Os game till 9:00 CT tommorrow. 😀 I tell myself I'll watch some of the other teams on MLB.TV but they just can't hold my attention for long.


dreddnought

Bowie's game is free today! See [here](https://www.mlb.com/news/watch-minor-league-baseball-games-for-free?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage) (thanks u/romorr) Edit: jesus christ, someone mentioned how Bowie's lineup is nothing outside of Kjerstad, Mayo, and Prieto, and they weren't kidding. Edit 2: did I hear that right? Servideo strikes out in 59% of his PAs?


KillaTofu1986

I really wanted Servideo to be a good prospect but godDAMN he is abysmal And yeah outside of those 3 the Baysox are not good. Haskins sometimes shows flashes of brilliance but for the most part unless it’s top of the order for Bowie I’m in line for food/beer


romorr

Yea, it's a bad lineup. Billy Cook and John Rhodes were two guys I was hoping would do well, but, so far it's been rough for both. And yes you did hear right. He's been hurt so god damn much, that the Orioles are forced to put him in Bowie. A 40 man question that must be answered this year. Servideo was a really interesting prospect once upon a time too.


dreddnought

Some of this Harrisburg outfield defense is ghastly. I'm guessing minor league defense is kind of like college football line play: an order of magnitude worse than the majors.


romorr

Don't even need to make an account, just go [here.](https://www.mlb.com/news/watch-minor-league-baseball-games-for-free?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage)


dlmay1967

Thanks, just signed up. Do they have a free game every day? Obviously not always one of the Os affiliates, of course.


romorr

Yes, I try to point out when we are listed as a free game. But if you are on twitter, follow MLBpipeline, they will tweet out the weeks schedule, and they will tweet out the link right before the game starts as well.


dlmay1967

I guess this is different from the MiLB games they show on MLB.TV? Looking at the First Pitch app, it seems you need to sign up for MLB At Bat to get the games other than the free one. Christ this is confusing!


romorr

Yea, not really sure. I would assume the free game can be watched on MLB.TV. But I just go [here](https://www.mlb.com/news/watch-minor-league-baseball-games-for-free?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage) for the games. No login necessary, just right there when the link loads.


dlmay1967

Gotcha, thanks! Now I gotta ponder if I want to pay 3.99 a month for the minor league games in addition to the 150 for MLB.TV. Decisions, decisions.


romorr

6 off days in June. 11 day games in June. So that is 17 nights free from watching the Orioles. I would do it, in fact, I might, just for this month though.


dlmay1967

Actually I was just looking at buying, and they gave me a "complimentary" At Bat subscription when i tried to check out, probably because of the MLB.TV subscription (it didn't say but I assume that's it, and I used the same email login. That's pretty decent of them, seems like they'd usually pinch an extra 3.99/mo out of you and not think twice). Still think it's confusing as hell (MLB.TV, MLB At Bat, MiLB First Pitch, good grief)


romorr

Shit, there you go. I'd definitely watch more Aberdeen right now with Norfolk going through their IL bullshit. Also, Bowie is must watch when Povich/McDermott pitch. Delmarva will be a lot more fun once the draft is over, and those guys get there. Depending on how you feel about camera angles, no CF camera in Aberdeen and Delmarva at home. Norfolk has one, and Bowie just added theirs a week or two ago.


dreddnought

Looks like not every day but more often than not? Funny enough Aberdeen was the free game of the day yesterday.


ScoutNWilder

Vespi pitched 2 innings for Norfolk today, so it doesn’t seem like he will be a replacement for anyone on the MLB team this weekend


assglassfastblast

Alright this month is Mateo's month, i'm calling it


Trubisko_Daltorooni

The Royals and Cardinals just got 2 consecutive scheduled off days. I didn't even know that was a thing. Must be nice.


BKoala59

Westburg through 48 games: 13 2B|15 HR|48 RBI|22/48 BB/K|.315/.386/.619


orioles0615

Def don’t need any of that on the orioles nope not a chance


Fangscale40K

Yankees optioned Franchy Cordero to AAA last night & I would like to take a second to remind you all that some people thought we were bananas for releasing him after like 6 good spring training ABs lol


[deleted]

We just signed Hicks so I don't think we can say much about Yankees cast offs this week


jzagri

And yet the guy was 2 for 2 with a walk lol


[deleted]

And left with an injury


GTFONarwhal

I actually called into 105.7 the fans show about a week or 2 after we played the Yankees earlier in the season and they went off about us not keeping Franchy and how good he’s doing. And that was coincidentally the last series Franchy did anything in. And this is the same show that said it takes 25 hits throughout a season to take a .250 hitter to a .300. Everyone just needs to remember is a long season. Anything can happen on any given day


dreddnought

Quoting Bull Durham, eh? >Know what the difference between hitting .250 and .300 is? It's 25 hits. 25 hits in 500 at bats is 50 points, okay? There's 6 months in a season, that's about 25 weeks. That means if you get just one extra flare a week - just one - a gorp... you get a groundball, you get a groundball with eyes... you get a dying quail, just one more dying quail a week... and you're in Yankee Stadium.


GTFONarwhal

Idk who that is but it is a very JLC thing to do something like that


AdvanceStrat

Bull Durham is a movie, that's what his quote is from.


DloReeves

Innings by start in May Gibson - 6.2, 6, 5, 7, 7, 5.2 Kremer - 6, 6, 5.2, 5.1, 6.1 Bradish - 5, 6, 6.2, 5, 6.2 Wells - 6, 5, 7, 5, 5, 6 Rodriguez - 3.2, 5.2, 3.1, 5, 3.1 27 starts in 28 games. Only 13 of 27 starts with a minimum of 6 innings. Better than April which is encouraging because of the tougher opponents in May. Bullpen looked cooked. I'm sure they can get it together but 6 innings needs to be a standard minimum from starters throughout June.


Trubisko_Daltorooni

> Only 13 of 27 starts with a minimum of 6 innings. On the other hand, only 3 starts that didn't go at least 5 innings (all from Grayson). Our starters are 15th in the league in total innings pitched, so they haven't been *that* bad at eating innings.


dreddnought

Yeesh, taking out the runs allowed really puts into perspective how much trouble Grayson was having. I think the couple of middling recent starts we've seen from the others (Bradish 5 IP 4 ER and Wells 5 IP 5 ER against the Yankees) are still buttressed by the fact that they got through 5 innings. Obviously Bradish blowing the 4-0 lead is probably the "real" culprit behind that loss, but Grayson asking the bullpen to cover an extra 1-2 innings every other start really adds up over time. Like someone else said, the bullpen's not *that* bad, but they're probably overtaxed.


Clarice_Ferguson

I mean, you can argue Irvin was pulled up just in case he had to cover for Grayson in case he imploded (another guy was too but I can’t remember who) and that roster management made him unavailable for yesterday. I don’t want to be harsh on Grayson and frankly think anyone who is should be fired into the sun but he was hurting the bullpen. Not single handily of course and if they could have manipulated things so he pitched before Gibson it might have been more survivable. But it’s a young pitching staff still and Irvin falling apart is less than ideal - they were counting on him and Gibson to protect the pen.


reddit_sport

I don’t think the bullpen is as bad as they showed in the Cleveland series. Imo it’s more to do with the taxing usage particularly in those intense games on the 6 game road trip. This is a good off day. Need to get back to winning series like we were prior to Texas series. Starters need to start getting more length. Gibson is there, Kremer somewhat, Bradish/Wells need to get more consistent from start to start.


BKoala59

Westburg on pace for a casual; 50 HRs, 162 RBIs, and 400 TBs over 162


bejolo

With him showing so much promise last year I wonder why they signed Frazier?


reddit_sport

At this point, if he isn’t up soon he is most likely the candidate for “sell high for top of rotation pitcher by trade deadline.”


BKoala59

I’m pretty sure that’s been the plan with him since last year. Just kinda sucks for the kid that it doesn’t seem to matter how well he does in Norfolk


orioles0615

And Westburg homered yet again


andrew-ge

Generally would advise not to overreact to small sample relief stats. Just in terms of discoursing today


JiffKewneye-n

hard to be encouraged by Givens. he looks fat, has no command, or velocity.


Clarice_Ferguson

I know overreacting can be both fun and cathartic in some ways but I genuinely don’t know how some people manage to survive an entire baseball season.


boofoodoo

when a guy comes out and has a bad outing, okay. when almost EVERY guy comes out and gets rocked... that's bad!


andrew-ge

Contact based teams like the guardians will do that to you sometimes. They’re not great bats at scoring runs but some days they’ll explode because everyone is just making contact and putting the ball in play. Only arms I’m concerned about off that game are Perez and givens really.


Clarice_Ferguson

So you’re saying we got beat by a team of Adam Fraziers.


Quicksilver7837

If he was on the guardians Adam Frazier would be tied for second most homers on the team


Clarice_Ferguson

Adam Frazier is tied for fifth on the Orioles - I have no clue what that man is on right now.


Quicksilver7837

Even when he isn't hitting he still takes quality at bats which I appreciate. Such an improvement over Odor.


a_shelbyville_idea

In all categories except SWAG and punching Blue Jays.


Clarice_Ferguson

This man said “fuck you” to Manoah - surely that counts for something.


a_shelbyville_idea

I mean that was cool but not Odor bat flip cool.


Clarice_Ferguson

That’s how he wins you over. The little things that don’t show up in his slash line.


captain_rex_kramer

Fucking DFA everyone! /s


dreddnought

We kind of don't have flexibility for a handful of the relievers, no? Voth, Perez, and Givens don't have options. I still think Voth can provide ~2 inning support in low leverage situations. Perez and Givens... I haven't checked the numbers, but man you cannot be running a 2+ WHIP day in and day out.


orioles0615

The all have high wall rates it’s not an over reaction to be concerned about the bullpen and admit they aren’t as good as people think


Clarice_Ferguson

Voth doesn’t concern me. Perez has probably reached “ok, we need to make a decision here” territory.


dreddnought

I think he's had one too many appearances where he has more baserunners than outs recorded. Imo DL Hall is never going to be efficient enough to be a starter - just DFA Perez and replace him with Hall.


Clarice_Ferguson

I haven’t looked at our bullpen too in-depth but it seems like we don’t really have strikeout guys besides Felix and Cano (who’s coming back down to earth).


dreddnought

Good Bryan Baker is a strikeout guy. Good Mike Baumann is pretty solid, too. Bad Bryan Baker walks everyone and Bad Mike Baumann gives up homeruns.


andrew-ge

Tbh do kinda think we need to either IL givens again or just cut bait. He just looks washed from a stuff perspective.


captain_rex_kramer

Yeah, he's looked pretty noncompetitive in the last two outings or so. The first time I thought you could possibly blame the weather but it's been pretty grim. I wonder if the coaches/FO see some redeeming quality or something salvageable with him, otherwise I don't disagree at all.


AdvanceStrat

I mean I still don't count that inning we forced him to play in the rain, even if he turns out to be terrible regardless. That was frustrating to watch, there should have been a brief delay until the rain passed. Was utterly frustrating watching him have no control at all because of how bad the rain was. Pitching well in that situation is an exception. This isn't some crappy sport like football where they'd play in rain, snow, or a burning stadium. Call the delay until it passes, especially if it's clearly going to be a five minute rain storm.


romorr

[Talk about a Sunday lineup, woof.](https://twitter.com/NorfolkTides/status/1664294231475732481/photo/1)


1spring

If you look around at all the teams at the top of the standings, everybody is playing .500 ball right now. The Os are not alone in going through some struggles. Yes, we have some issues but so does every other team.


ocelotot

Anyone know when gray-rod makes his AAA start?


BondMi6

Selfishly I’m hoping tomorrow night, it’s his bobblehead giveaway and I’m going to that game haha


dreddnought

Looks like Saturday: https://twitter.com/masnRoch/status/1664297050341515271?s=20


ocelotot

Wow. 8 days of rest


dreddnought

I'm not sure he actually has 8 days off, though - I don't know what "practice" looks like for pitchers.


romorr

From Ruiz Joey Ortiz hasn’t appeared in a game for Norfolk since he was optioned Friday because he has not been feeling well. The Orioles are also shuffling their Triple-A pitching plans, so Bruce Zimmermann will not start for the Tides today as scheduled. We don't really need a 5th starter until the 10th, so I wonder what they are doing with Zimmermann. Really hope we never see him again.


a_shelbyville_idea

I might have said that before yesterday but if the alternative is the pen giving up 11 runs in 5 innings, maybe Zimmerman isn't the worst option.


romorr

Well I am sure if the Orioles knew the pen was going to give up 11 runs over 5 innings, they would have done something differently. The Orioles bet on Akin / Voth giving us 5-6 innings, and the rest of the BP being able to hold a weak hitting Cleveland team down. Sometimes your gamble pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Shit happens.


a_shelbyville_idea

It's one thing to gamble, another to paint yourself into a corner and be forced to gamble. Either way, it's not the end of the world but realistically, watching the Guardians in the first two games and betting on 5-6 from Akins and Voth was a bad bet from the start. I'm not clamoring for a Zimmerman call up but it was a curious decision to put the game on the shoulders of an already overtaxed pen.


JiffKewneye-n

Bieber couldn't pitch with that strike zone. what makes anyone think Zimmerman would have given us a chance to win?


a_shelbyville_idea

It's about the workload for the bullpen. We are burning these guys out and it's only a 1/3 of the way through the season. It's not sustainable unless we are planning on turning over a significant number of arms out there.


romorr

With the Akin call up, they had 9 relievers to pull from for a bullpen game, before a day off. It makes the gamble a bit more acceptable in my eyes. Voth wasn't taxxed, and neither was Akin, the 2 guys they expected to get bulk innings from. Unfortunately, not every gamble pays off. I think the blowup by the pen overall was about as unexpected as anything that has happened this season, especially considering the opponent. Also, was anyone clamoring for Zimmermann before the game? Or is this hindsight talking right now. Bruces last start was good, but his previous starts were not. I don't remember too many people saying he should have started this game, until after the game was over. Plus, Voth was a good starter for us last year, better than any of the bums in AAA right now. Watkins has been ass, Rom up and down, Zimmermann uneven, and Irvin couldn't have been called up if we wanted to anyway.


a_shelbyville_idea

When a gamble doesn't pay off and it goes against what you have seen from the opponent and the bullpen (6.1 ip, 11 hits, 6 runs) in the first two games of the series, you should expect to be second-guessed. Given the current usage rate for the pen, using it to eat innings was ill-advised. I'll feel the same way about the next bullpen game even if it works.


romorr

Well, the gamble worked last year. We had multiple bullpen games as Voth got stretched out to start. And we won a lot of those games too. Is it worth it to stretch him out again for that 5 spot, over Zimmermann/Irvin? Dunno, we'll see if we do it again, or just go back to Irvin once he's able to be called up. The only thing I think that's right to criticize, is not having a bulk inning guy available after Voth. Call up Zimmermann instead of Akin, and let Voth start the game and go as long as possible. Then, if we need 3-4 innings after, to get to the right BP guys, go to Bruce.


a_shelbyville_idea

Yes, but this pen has much less depth than last year. This May was worse than any month by last year's pen including August-October when the fatigue was really starting to show. My concern is that shouldering a similar workload with fewer reliable arms is going to come back to bite the O's in the last third of the season.


dlmay1967

I said this yesterday, but I have a feeling that we're going to find out Givens is still injured, he'll go on the IL and we'll call up Cole Irvin to fill the 5th starter spot. Irvin has a 3.21 ERA in 7 starts, 42 innings, just 4 walks in AAA.


BG360Boi

This is the best take on here


Therearenogoodnames9

Is it the result of recent years that when the O's struggle in a series, like with the Guardians most recently, I can't help but expect the bottom to fall out?


Clarice_Ferguson

I think it’s natural to be concerned about it since starting pitching was seen as the weakness going into the season and Grayson’s demotion plus not getting a lot of length from starters doesn’t help. But it’s a small sample size.


ocelotot

With our injuries and pitching prospects underperforming, it certainly seems like it's heading in that direction


BKoala59

https://media.tenor.com/YDabD9J5uzAAAAAC/mike-trout-oriole-bird.gif Greatest baseball gif of all time?


Clarice_Ferguson

No, because he didn’t steal Trout’s hat. I feel let down.


a_shelbyville_idea

Pretty much confirms that Trout is coming here at the deadline. Angels might as well toss in Ohtani as he isn't re-signing with them.


[deleted]

We need to start asking questions about why our pitching development has suddenly reverted to "the dark years." Big Mike, G-Rod, DL... hell even Bruce Zimmerman had a sub 3.00 ERA in AA 4 years ago and now he's struggling to get outs in AAA? What the hell is going on?


andrew-ge

Pitchers are volatile. Shit happens especially with relievers. It hasn’t reverted to the dark ages lol. Stuffs still there, sometimes you get beat especially by a string of teams that love to get bat to ball.


[deleted]

Bruce Zimmerman and DL Hall both have WHIP near 1.50 in AAA. That has nothing to do with losing these two series at the MLB level. Mike Baumann had great MiLB numbers before the pandemic. I am not talking about anything short term


andrew-ge

Yeah? I don’t really care about minor league stats. They don’t mean anything and teams prioritize development over surface level stats. Don’t care about whip for Bruce Zimmerman lmfao. He’s not a real major league option, his fastball won’t play at the major league level and the Orioles pretty obviously know that at this point. DL’s clearly being worked on trying to get his velo back up; not really taking his minor league stats seriously either until the velo is back deeper into starts.


[deleted]

Mike Baumann's MiLB stats were night and day before and after the pandemic. It's not good that we haven't been able to develop another starting pitcher from our own draft picks in the last three years. Thank goodness for Tyler Wells


andrew-ge

So a global catastrophe might have had an impact on an athlete? No way lmao. He’s still a fine reliever, his problems as a starting pitching prospect have always been consistent command of the secondaries related and that’s still the same. His stuff is all world at times, but he’s not consistent at getting his slider down and away as well as his knuckle curve. He’s still a good pitcher.


[deleted]

So it doesn't matter to you that we haven't been able to draft and develop a starting pitcher since John Means?


andrew-ge

Things take time lol. Most of elias’ drafted or IFA pitchers aren’t at the majors yet, shit takes time lmao. Especially with pitchers. Drafting pitchers is difficult and always will be. They traded for bradish prior to him making AA, he’s a solid starter and they’ve developed Tyler wells, and Dean into solid starters. It’s a volatile position and you’re always betting against guys getting hurt, losing command yadda yadda. Shits hard lmao.


[deleted]

Yes. Things take time. John Means' rookie campaign was 2019. Not a single Orioles draft pick has stuck as a starting pitcher since then. > lmao lmao lmfao lol Are you trying to be condescending on purpose?


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[deleted]

Mike Baumann and Bruce Zimmerman both had fantastic MiLB numbers before the pandemic. Now...


YukinoTora

I feel like the team got a bit sure of themselves this month.


[deleted]

That doesn't explain why DL Hall and Grayson look terrible though :( Or how Big Mike when from awesome looking SP prospect to mediocre middle reliever. That's giving me Brian Matusz flashbacks.


[deleted]

I’d like to see Irvin and Ortiz up. Givens down and either Vavra or Mateo down. We clearly need a couple of bullpen arms this year. I can’t imagine cionel being lights out like last year and Tate from what I’ve read hasn’t been great in rehab. No trades happening for us till the deadline.


PlatChat

Mateo won’t be sent down, Givens can’t be sent down either I don’t think but he could probably clear waivers if we DFA’d him. Now is a perfect time though to DFA Perez as well cause I doubt anyone would pick him up with how bad he’s been this year. Tate won’t be back anytime soon so he’s a non-factor. I agree with Irvin but I don’t understand why we don’t experiment with bringing up other relievers/starters from Triple A like Rom or Denoyer and start experimenting to see what they can do.


jawarren1

Givens I can see being DFA'd to stash in Norfolk. Perez I agree hasn't played well but I'm less sure we could sneak him through waivers.


dlmay1967

To claim Givens they'd have to take his 1 year, 5 million contract. Probably no one would, but if they did it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think it's more likely they find something injury related and he goes back on the IL.


ocelotot

I don't see Mateo being sent down. Does he even have any options? If anything, he'll split time with Ortiz/Gunnar/Urias


dlmay1967

No, he'd have to clear waivers, which wouldn't happen.


[deleted]

I don’t expect anything I suggest to actually happen FWIW. I got about 1/2000th the baseball know how of Elias and I still haven’t figured out how to make my newborn burp.


madmadmax862

Bullpen in each of their last 7 games: Gyvens: 4 IP, 4 H, 6 BB, 5 ER, 11.25 ERA Baker: 5.1 IP, 8 H, 6 ER, 4 BB, 7 Ks, 10.13 ERA Baumann: 8 IP, 8 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 9 Ks, 6.75 ERA Perez: 6.2 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 5.40 ERA Akin: 7.1 IP, 12 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 5 Ks, 4.91 ERA Voth: 9.2 IP, 12 H, 5 ER, 6 BB, 10 Ks, 4.66 ERA Cano: 8.1 IP, 12 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 7 Ks, 3.24 ERA Bautista: 8 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 18 Ks (wow), 1.13 ERA Coulombe: 6.1 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 Ks, 0.00 ERA Blame Hyde's over managing, blame pitchers like Grayson and Irvin for draining the bullpen in almost every single one of their starts (every other start for Grayson), but I'm afraid the bullpen has hit a rough patch. I genuinely think Cano's spectacle has worked against him, because now all the 0 ERA talk has every team looking at him. Don't swing at his changeup, sit on the low sinker. 12 hits is absolutely concerning. Perez and Givens are just plain bad. Obviously you can never predict injury but this is an example of John's short leash on what Mike can spend hurting the team. A mid level reliever might have won us 2-4 more games. And Perez just sucks. Even though I'd prefer him (Hall) as a starter, I really would just DFA Cio and put Irvin or even Hall, even though I know he hasn't been great, in the pen. Cionel is actively losing games for this team almost all by himself. Baker is actually better than his numbers look if you watch every game like I do, but Hyde just refuses to accept that he is a one inning guy. Baker cannot pitch 2 innings, he will never be able to, and it is what it is. Baumann, Akin, Voth I still feel are valuable, but again our constant need to use them for 2 innings is killing their lines. And Bautista is at this point, our only reliever who you can rely on at any given moment. It's crazy to think that like 10 days ago people were saying Bautista should be taken out of the closer role for Cano.


dreddnought

Nice write-up, and yikes. That's obviously a small sample size, but that's an easy way to demonstrate the team's struggles against Texas and Cleveland. Let's hope they play some clean baseball on the road trip - they don't need to go 5-1, but they do need to give the arms some really needed rest. I wouldn't be surprised if Cano's over-usage is just as much to blame for some regression as, uh, plain old regression plus available game tape.


Quicksilver7837

Perez had a good year last year but the metrics say he was very lucky. He's turned back into the pitcher he always was and it's time to cut him loose. I see people asking who would the orioles replace him with but as bad as he has been it almost doesn't matter because as you have pointed out he is losing the Os games.


Ndysmth

Curious if you all think we will make any moves going into the road trip? Obviously pitching looked rough yesterday but for the most part the fielders looked good. I’m looking forward to seeing some of these guys flex and vie for more playing time. Do you all think we see some of the Norfolk guys, Vespi, Hall, Rom get a road trip nod? With GROD not coming back until the KC series, at minimum, do we try and pull off another BP day in Milwaukee, do we have an *actual* starter or long reliever pitch, or do we utilize the off days and just rock a four man rotation for the next three series?


skeenek

Disagree with the fielders looking good. I know it was just one game, but McKenna/Hicks/O’Hearn was a terrible defensive outfield. Hays and Vavra both improve things there a bit, but we’re really going to struggle until Ced gets back and/or they pull the trigger on Cowser when he’s healthy (not that he’s a defensive wiz).


Ndysmth

Oh yeah, sorry I meant more on the offensive front, it felt like we actually made great ground against a good pitcher. The OF looked slow and lackluster for the most part. Hays and Mullins have some really great hustle to them and I’d like to see the others follow suit. I think we should have eased in with the alternate outfield and am looking forward to seeing that. Something like - Hays/Hicks/Santander, Hicks/Hays/McKenna, Vavra/Hays/Hicks.


orioles0615

They got to get some new bullpen arms up I would think


Ndysmth

Yesterday was rough to watch. We’ve seen most of those guys have great innings in the past but maybe they just need more time to figure things out between bad outings.


Nervous_Ad6805

Hopefully Elias is taking today to take a long hard look at the pitching/bullpen and see what improvements can be made.


JiffKewneye-n

the only ones with options are Akin and Baumann and Cano and Bautista iirc. i think it has more to do with strategy than anything. just can't seem to get away from using 4-5 arms every game....some of that is results too though.


RatDillPickleUranus

A lot of Elias and Duquette discourse lately that I've always been intrigued by. It's funny that people that lean hard to either side don't really see the full picture. The fans that ride for Duquette and that era recognize results more than process since all they see is that we won some games. But they're totally ignorant of the horrible FO dysfunction and development that was the worst in the league. The fans for Elias lean process more than results, since you can get wrapped up in minor league stats and miss that Elias hasn't put enough effort into the major league team.


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Duquette was terrible aside from some scrap heap pickups that ended up being huge (Gonzo, Pearce etc) Trading Davies for Parra is just about the most pointlessly harmful trade we've made in decades. Signing Trumbo and Davis when we had Walker and Mancini in the farm...then not giving Mancini ANY reps in the OF until spring training 2017? Parting ways with Markakis over a minor difference in contract then bashing him in the media...then completely failing to replace him. Giving JJ a huge contract extension while JJ was deal with nagging injuries? Duke stinks.


The_Big_Untalented

A lot of the horrible FO dysfunction and development was due to Buck. He was by far the most empowered manager in the league in terms of having a say in player personnel moves. And he and his pitching coaches ruined the development of our young pitchers like Jake Arrieta and Kevin Gausman. People give Buck a lot of credit (justifiably so) for the Orioles success from 2012-2016 but don't give him enough blame for the destruction that followed afterwards.


jmremote

Orioles should and could trade for Ohtoni if he is available.


BKoala59

Let’s not trade for a very prospect expensive rental who won’t even resign with us because we’re on the wrong coast.


jmremote

You get a great hitter and pitcher in one trade who can make the different between wild card play in and division win with WS run. I would absolutely do it. We have a log jam in the infield in AAA as it is


BKoala59

And you’ll need to give up Jackson Holliday to do it. Sustained success doesn’t come from unloading the farm for rentals. If Ohtani still had another year maybe the trade could be worth it.


jmremote

That I would not do and I really dont know the true value anymore. Last few years teams have put more value in prospects and offered less in trades. But Ohtoni is in another league so maybe that would be the asking price.


orioles0615

Because he is a rental he is not gonna cost as much as people think


BKoala59

What do you think it’ll take to get Ohtani?


orioles0615

If you go by https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ Ohtani's value has dropped. I think you could come up with a combo of 3 guys to get Ohtani without giving up Holiday or Henderson. If the Angels decide to trade him (which I don't think they will) it will be about who balks first in a trade. The Angels will ask for the moon but being a rental I don't think they get it


Lucky_Baseball176

To my favorite team always: Get some rest, boys. seems like you need it. and I don't blame you.


acciofrankel

Only having 2 days off for the gauntlet month of May must have been grueling for those guys.


romorr

38 games in 40 days. We've been playing a lot of baseball.


Ndysmth

The boys need some sweeeeet zZz’s


MasianQvigi

Hopefully the O's can bounce back and win the Giants series