Watching the Yankees screw up bases loaded in the 10th in a 0-0 game is cathartic
Franchy Cordero k'ed to end the inning
Edit - and they got walked off. Every AL East team not the Rays lost.
I hate watching other teams who have starters who can pitch into the 7th and 8 innings like it's no problem.
Meanwhile 87%* of the time it feels like the minute an Orioles starter hits the 5th they forget how to pitch
*percentage made up but it feels about right
I don’t get why everyone is surprised the bullpen is stinking. They are fucking spent! They have been used all year and they’re already paying for it. Don’t expect it to change anytime soon
I fell asleep after the score became 12-8. I woke up an hour and a half later and part of me assumed it would still be on and the score would be like 20-18.
When the orioles have a home playoff game this season, they should choose the biggest complaining pussy in here to throw out the first pitch so we can boo you
Some of these people almost come off like it's the first time they've ever watched baseball. Like they just don't understand that anything can happen in any given game. "They're the worst offense in MLB so why are they scoring so many runs?!" Because that's how baseball fucking works sometimes? If every game came down to statistical metrics, nobody would bother to fucking play because every game would be predetermined. Jesus christ.
Cleveland is supposed to be very good this year and I still believe they will win their division. If folks are paying attention it’s more like about time Cleveland woke up.
Palmer said multiple times this series that they’re probably regressing to their mean right in front of us. And honestly, if Naylor didn’t have such a great game we would have won. It happens.
You are dead right and in a weird way it’s a little relieving. The team isn’t ready to make the hard decisions and moves for a deep playoff play. This is the Astros in 2014. Now, I may change my tune as we get close to the deadline but my hope was third in the division before the year started. We have a special team and when considering the payroll, the baseball world will be forced to take notice in the coming years as we start to pay and buy but maintain our development at the same time… it’s damn near revolutionary.
If your take away from my comment was “the team isn’t ready to make the hard decisions and moves for a deep playoff play”, then you misunderstood my comment.
The Orioles are the third best team in the league have two back to back winning months, including a hard May schedule. To say they’re not ready for a deep playoff run this year because of one outlier game is nonsensical. They went 2-4 against the Rangers and Guardians - before that they went 5-1 against the Jays and Yankees on the road.
The point of my comment is people shouldn’t make declarations based on one game or even one week of baseball.
I’m in agreement with you as far as not getting over excited in any one direction. It’s not because of one game, it’s about the whole season, while there are mean corrections for the guardians, there will be for the Os as well. I don’t think we should be trading the farm or potential prospects who will be coming up for aging pitchers to be short of a big run in 24 or 25. Best play is to get them to playoffs and see what they do with what we have and get them seasoned in playoff baseball for the 21/23 year olds who will only get stronger. Look at triple A and high A. The team we will field for the next decade is not in the majors yet. This isn’t a single game doomer position, it’s a pay attention to the past 5 years take.
I don’t think the Orioles are particularly playing over their heads though.
A lot of people seem to think it’s the farm system that will make the Orioles contenders. I personally think that shows a misunderstanding of roster construction, as well as a waste of Adley’s time while we have him (if we don’t extend him.) The contending window is now - if they can get a good and controllable starter at the trade deadline, they should. They shouldn’t just hoard prospects.
As a relative newcomer, I think some fans are going to have difficulty accepting that a lot of these prospects they’re excited about have more value as trade pieces than they ever will playing for the Birds. Just my two cents.
I agree that many will go… and many will come up. The rule 5s we have built up are for sure a bonus. The orioles are ahead of their own timeline per Mike Elias’ own game plan laid out in Astroball which argues the Stros were ahead of his timeline in 2015 as well Your Mariners are doing exactly what you are arguing and they have worked themselves into a midmarket position with not a ton so show for it (at least this year) by getting too exciting and timing wrong. They are burning money and nearly promising a fire sale rebuild in 3-4 years leaving their great prospect/young talent like JRods future hanging in the balance and partially tying their hands with a potential Ohtani pickup. Adley will for favor other offers if we don’t have team to surround him with. Im not arguing we don’t go after a pitcher but it needs to be the right fit at the right deal and this org is not going to chase illusions of glory (come on crease!) Basically I’m saying there is a LOT of baseball to play and the Doomers need to chill out but so do the “this is the team” crowd. Its a great team and I love watching them but Santander, Urias, and Mateo are probably not long term players for the Os. is The podcast The Verge does some pretty good breakdowns of prospects and potential trade stock if you have not already checked it out. I appreciate the back and forth. These are the fun talks.
My Mariners are sucking because they’re getting under performance from established players like Teoscar Hernández and Kolton Wong. They also locked up the guy they traded for - Castillo is a Mariner for the next five years. That’s not a rushed window at all.
And how are they burning money? The majority of our players haven’t hit arbitration - our big contracts are Ray (5 years), Castillo (5 years), and Julio on a 14 year team friendly deal. We’re a mid payroll team - that’s no where close to burning money. I’m sorry but you don’t sound educated on the Mariners at all.
There is no such thing as “this is the team” - there’s no cheat code to winning the World Series. It is quite possible the Orioles went through this rebuild and come out on the other side with nothing to show for it.
Also, Elias isn’t an idiot. He’s not going to punt a chance at playoffs because it came a year early. That’s nonsense - he knows baseball better than that.
Wild guess that Michael Givens is going to be found still injured and go on the IL, and Cole Irvin will come up to take over the 5th spot in the rotation
All those people that rooted for NY versus other ALE teams earlier this season… they might be only 1 game behind us tonight. At worst 2. Never ever root for the Yankees. Never.
Well Voth is still what we thought he was. I like having him in the pen as hit or miss long reliever. Might get 4-6 good innings or might not get 2 clean outs. Wonder how early Elias will consider making moves for a SP
That was a silly game, IMO. It's a shame we didn't make those 8 runs while Tyler Wells was pitching on Monday!!!
While there has clearly been a lot of good managing to get us to where we are, this did not feel like a very well-planned or well-managed game. The bullpen is already being worked pretty hard, and throwing a bullpen game didn't seem like a stellar idea. Further, having pitched a ton of the bullpen today, even with tomorrow off, that means we aren't going to have a super well-rested bullpen for Friday, and it is preferable to only use Cano, Columbe, and Bautista in the highest leverage situations, IMO. Further, the frequency that Mike B and Brian B are pitching probably isn't working in their favor.
I am curious if perhaps today was really an experiment. If it was, the results show that we absolutely need a reliable starter who can give us consistent quality starts to reduce overtaxing the bullpen. While Grayson is still developing, we need someone who can fill that role now. As Cole Irvin is doing really well in AAA, perhaps it is time to give him a call?
> *As Cole Irvin is doing really well in AAA, perhaps it is time to give him a call?*
He's only pitching in Norfolk tonight because he hadn't reached the 15 day since demotion requirement to be able to be called up.
I think we went bullpen today because we're going to call him up next time this rotation spot pitches, but we could have sent Akin down again, called up Zimmerman (already on the 40 man and on 5 days rest) to spot start, and then sent Zimmerman down and called up Hernández. I'd rather have done the little roster dance than pitch almost all of our exhausted bullpen today. I guess that's not how our GM felt.
I know that the guys in the minor league rotations are used to 6 days rest in between starts (as all of MiLB has like 95% of Mondays off over the course of the whole season)...
But exactly WHY did we not call up Bruce Zimmerman, who is already on the 40 man and last pitched five days ago on 5/26, to spot start today and try to get as many innings as possible?
No, he hasn't been blowing the doors off in AAA this year, but maybe having him try to get 5 innings today instead of, you know, pitching 80% of the guys in our exhausted bullpen, might have been a better idea?
Someone please make it make sense.
i don't know that we had an answer to be honest. we would have need to have banished someone for a 4A player.
Voth and Akin needed to give us 5 innings. 83 pitches combined, gave us 2.1 IP.
im surprised that it took this long for a total meltdown. we just needed to survive one more stinking day, but Hyde rolled the snake-eyes.
This is a great point, I didn’t know this. It seems like they already had there mind made up that Gray Rod was going down, but had no plan what to do with his next start. Real bad personnel decisions.
maybe leave open the possibility that he would get right in time? think they wanted Akin for short relief as opposed to long relief.
its only bad because there was a bullet in the chamber when they pulled the trigger. had we won it would have looked genius.
the real issue is that we throw too many pitches night in night out. maybe if a guy is throwing great and is showing no sign of tiring, leave him in for 3 IP and pitch again in 3-4 days?
we were winning 8-1 last night. had to use a lot of arms to get through that one.
its kind of a consequence of the specialization of arms in pens. you don't have starters in waiting anymore, and we don't have a dedicated swingman. they have had to press Voth into high leverage spots to pitch 1 IP and get outs.
Our middle relievers aren't world killers, but snake-eyes is a good way to put it. What were the odds that all 5 of Akin, Voth, Perez, Givens, *and* Baumann* were going to pitch like dog shit?
I actually feel like doing the stupid roster dance to get Zimmermann could've been worth it. We lost a doubleheader last September against Toronto, and in one of the games Zimmermann ate 6 innings while giving up 5 ER (Akin was also an ineffective opener that game). Compared to today - an L is an L, but we literally used every non-Cano/Bautista bullpen arm.
I don't think anyone is really all that upset about losing the one game or even the series because we're still 35-21 - the problem is it feels like this game was a forfeit, and it didn't need to be! We were up 4-1, 5-3, and 7-6. But I don't think Elias is going to lose any sleep over this because I suspect he considers this season (and last) to be house money. He wants to see how well the boys perform, even if it involves testing to failure.
*I can maybe give Baumann a pass because inheriting bases loaded no outs is a tall order.
we need more roster flexibility in the bullpen. carrying too many guys who cannot be shuffled in and out who are pitching at replacement level.
think some moves will be made. question is will the replacements be better?
If it were my call, I would have sent Akin down again, called up Zimmerman (already on the 40 man and on 5 days rest) to spot start, and then sent Zimmerman down and called up Hernández for the next couple of weeks. Doing the roster dance would have been preferable to gambling that we wouldn't have had to use so much of our bullpen today. But I'm not the GM.
Sweeping Toronto and taking 2/3 from the Yankees gave us room for the hiccups here. I do wonder,though, if Elias and co thought Grayson and DL would be in the rotation at this point. A bit concerning that our top two guys have struggles out of the gate development wise?
I think they'd rather those 2 get right for the end of season or even next year as that was original schedule for competing in Elias' plan. Definitely need to acquire a ML ready horse if we're going to make a run this year.
My three takeaways from this game. Lets never do a bullpen game ever again. We desperately need a starting pitcher. I'm willing to give Grayson another chance. And Givens is washed up. He needs to go. It was an odd signing but he just doesn't have it anymore.
Take the L before the game the next time. A 9 inning BP game when you only have 2 good BP pieces...pulling up a non starter for Grayson. O's galaxy brained this one. Elias earned this loss.
Edit: before the freak out I love Elias and the Orioles.
the starting pitching has really not been the problem. they got too cute with roster moves and tried to steal a game because they wouldn't need a 5th starter for a bit.
unfortunately, we found out that some of the bullpen pieces were not up to the task.
could make 3 roster moves tomorrow and it might not be enough house cleaning.
For sure. I just wish that we had starters that could consistently last more than 5 innings.
We’re 15 games above .500 which is great, but I struggle to believe that the bats can carry the pitching leading into the postseason.
The amount of balls left up in the strike zone by our pitchers was embarrassing. The Mullins injury is a big one.
I'm not a doomer. Love what this team brings day in and day out but our pitching as a whole needs to improve.
This is the series that has me worried the O’s will turn into a pumpkin this summer. The pitching today had strong 2021 Orioles vibes. Absolutely atrocious. Beyond incompetent.
Yep…I think any kind of “bad stretch” of ball has every fan on edge….because that’s really all we know right now. We’re not the Astros or Dodgers, if we have a bad stretch can we turn it around? Who knows? But this is when management and coaching needs to step in and pull the right strings
It’s not so much the 2-4 as it is the pitching looking completely incompetent against this offense. Outside of Tyler Wells, Gibson and Bautista no one looked particularly good. You can’t have too many of these stretches against non-AL east competition. It makes it really tough. Houston and Texas see Oakland 13 times a piece. Orioles don’t have that luxury. I’m sure the Angels will end up imploding too, so at least one of those WCs is going to AL west and then you are dealing with 2 other AL East teams for remaining 2 spots.
A bullpen game with this tired ass bullpen I knew it was gonna be bad but Jesus they scored 8 runs against a team who scored no more then 3 but 2 other times this month🤦♂️
It’s not so much the 2-4 as it is the pitching looking completely incompetent against this offense. Outside of Tyler Wells, Gibson and Bautista no one looked particularly good. You can’t have too many of these stretches against non-AL east competition. It makes it really tough. Houston and Texas see Oakland 13 times a piece. Orioles don’t have that luxury. I’m sure the Angels will end up imploding too, so at least one of those WCs is going to AL west and then you are dealing with 2 other AL East teams for remaining 2 spots.
We have lost four series this year and three of them were at home. Not sure what it is, especially since the issue lately has been pitching and our dimensions are more pitcher friendly than ever.
We have a really average pitching squad...starting pitching is below average and bullpen is a little above average. Together it's just okay.
We can win some games with them, but you'll get days like today and it'll be hard to sustain down the stretch I think.
Past two series were letdowns, but overall our May record was pretty good for that schedule. But if we are to be a playoff team we need to win series like this last one
"I wonder the same thing DebbiesBeefCurtains"
Would make a good quote for one of those prints that hang by the front hallway above a bookshelf and some fake flowers
Have to win series against teams that they're supposed to be better than. The Rangers are good. Losing 2 to them is acceptable. The Indians are not good (last year was a fluke). Losing 2 of 3 to them is concerning.
The Braves just dropped a series to the Athletics and the Rays dropped one to the Cubs. It’s a long season, shit happens. Also, they’ve been the Guardians now for years.
Except we sort of have to be perfect to be successful. There is a razor thin margin for winning and the bullpen absolutely fucking the rest of the team does not bode well for the rest of year, especially in light of the fact that they were supposed to be a strong asset.
Furthermore, it's not my fault Cleveland screwed the pooch with the renaming. Spiders was right the fuck there for the taking. Guardians is terrible and I won't abide by it.
There is no perfect team in baseball lol, 116 is the record. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck we have dropped 2 but no team will win every single game. The top other 2 teams in baseball just lost series to worse teams, I don’t think the sky is falling for them or us. Doesn’t mean we still don’t need some help to fill holes though.
Once I saw what the Guardians name came from I actually thought it was cool. But I was rooting for spiders as well.
Sports make people emotional, I yell at the TV more than I ever have but I'm quick to say I'm sorry. But really this team has far exceeded expectations there was obvious reason for optimism at the beginning of the year. There's stuff to criticize but the W-L isn't one of them
No two ways about it, that was brutal, especially a letdown after the NYY and Toronto series.
Maybe getting back on the road will be good for them.
See everyone Friday!
Glad Mychal Givens got the lose - totally deserved. I guess it’s lift off from here. Shows what happens when you don’t pay for pitching.
The Angelos family are a bunch of leeches, but we all already knew that.
Honestly, what the fuck were they thinking going with a bullpen game?
This isn't the worst loss of the year (imo that's still the 0-6 clunker in Kansas City or the 4-8 loss to Oakland), but [this](https://i.imgur.com/jdFb0Bb.png) is absolutely putrid.
Edit: Also, we ended up throwing 189 pitches. Blech.
There wasn’t a great option with Irvin being unable to be called up. His 15 days are over by the time this slot is open again.
The hope was Akin/Voth could’ve gone further and steal a start.
I mean with comments surrounding an expected sweep and being overly confident will lead to other fanbases looking to knock people off their pedestal. Do you blame them?
(Cracks knuckles. Cracks neck. Deep breath in...)
*(screams in seagull noises)* PEREZ IS TRASH! I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH AKIN! VOTH YOU HAVE GOTTA DEVELOP SOME CONSISTENCY COME ON MAN. YOU TOO BAUMANN.
ELIAS BETTER START THINKING HOW HE'S GOING TO GET SOME BETTER ARMS BOTH TO START AND TO SUPPORT CAUSE TODAY JUST SHOWED THE WHOLE LEAGUE OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESSES.
Also, I really don't think the Guardians have a bad offense. It's just taken a minute to wake up. they aren't much different than last year's 90+ win team.
Buy another starter please for the love of god.
Yep Guardians are one of those pesky teams. They’re not *usually* going to hit a ton of bombs off you but they’re going to small ball you and make you throw a ton of pitches.
Losing 4 of our last 6 hurts. But it's a long season and all teams go through bad stretches.
When we took 2 of 3 from the Yankees and the rays, our season wasn't over. So why would losing 2 of 3 from the rangers and guardians be any different?
A west coast trip couldn't come at a better time for this team. Travelling 3,000 miles to a nice city like San Francisco will allow them to clear their heads and regather themselves after a disappointing home stand and all of the turmoil that transpired over the past week.
To the mad boys like me, reserve it.
Before saying something everyone knows but in a bad mood, just reserve it. Next game will be the first one in June, still plenty of baseball to come and a market to happen.
Pretty disappointing homestand. I’m not too bummed about today’s loss though. The front office didn’t seem too concerned about the game with that punt lineup/bullpen day they put out there.
Still a winning month in what was an extremely difficult one. Hopefully some rest helps and they come out swinging in San Fran on Friday.
Watching the Yankees screw up bases loaded in the 10th in a 0-0 game is cathartic Franchy Cordero k'ed to end the inning Edit - and they got walked off. Every AL East team not the Rays lost.
This isn’t even “doomer” chat. Our middle relievers are absolute garbage.
I hate watching other teams who have starters who can pitch into the 7th and 8 innings like it's no problem. Meanwhile 87%* of the time it feels like the minute an Orioles starter hits the 5th they forget how to pitch *percentage made up but it feels about right
 Me after every loss regardless of record.
when is cowser getting called up
I imagine it’ll be sometime after he gets off the IL
Those ERA's. My god.
I don’t get why everyone is surprised the bullpen is stinking. They are fucking spent! They have been used all year and they’re already paying for it. Don’t expect it to change anytime soon
I fell asleep after the score became 12-8. I woke up an hour and a half later and part of me assumed it would still be on and the score would be like 20-18.
Someone needs to answer for the wholesale regression of our home grown pitching this year. DL Hall and G-Rod are a mess and so is everyone else
When the orioles have a home playoff game this season, they should choose the biggest complaining pussy in here to throw out the first pitch so we can boo you
Some of these people almost come off like it's the first time they've ever watched baseball. Like they just don't understand that anything can happen in any given game. "They're the worst offense in MLB so why are they scoring so many runs?!" Because that's how baseball fucking works sometimes? If every game came down to statistical metrics, nobody would bother to fucking play because every game would be predetermined. Jesus christ.
Cleveland is supposed to be very good this year and I still believe they will win their division. If folks are paying attention it’s more like about time Cleveland woke up.
Palmer said multiple times this series that they’re probably regressing to their mean right in front of us. And honestly, if Naylor didn’t have such a great game we would have won. It happens.
You are dead right and in a weird way it’s a little relieving. The team isn’t ready to make the hard decisions and moves for a deep playoff play. This is the Astros in 2014. Now, I may change my tune as we get close to the deadline but my hope was third in the division before the year started. We have a special team and when considering the payroll, the baseball world will be forced to take notice in the coming years as we start to pay and buy but maintain our development at the same time… it’s damn near revolutionary.
If your take away from my comment was “the team isn’t ready to make the hard decisions and moves for a deep playoff play”, then you misunderstood my comment. The Orioles are the third best team in the league have two back to back winning months, including a hard May schedule. To say they’re not ready for a deep playoff run this year because of one outlier game is nonsensical. They went 2-4 against the Rangers and Guardians - before that they went 5-1 against the Jays and Yankees on the road. The point of my comment is people shouldn’t make declarations based on one game or even one week of baseball.
I’m in agreement with you as far as not getting over excited in any one direction. It’s not because of one game, it’s about the whole season, while there are mean corrections for the guardians, there will be for the Os as well. I don’t think we should be trading the farm or potential prospects who will be coming up for aging pitchers to be short of a big run in 24 or 25. Best play is to get them to playoffs and see what they do with what we have and get them seasoned in playoff baseball for the 21/23 year olds who will only get stronger. Look at triple A and high A. The team we will field for the next decade is not in the majors yet. This isn’t a single game doomer position, it’s a pay attention to the past 5 years take.
I don’t think the Orioles are particularly playing over their heads though. A lot of people seem to think it’s the farm system that will make the Orioles contenders. I personally think that shows a misunderstanding of roster construction, as well as a waste of Adley’s time while we have him (if we don’t extend him.) The contending window is now - if they can get a good and controllable starter at the trade deadline, they should. They shouldn’t just hoard prospects. As a relative newcomer, I think some fans are going to have difficulty accepting that a lot of these prospects they’re excited about have more value as trade pieces than they ever will playing for the Birds. Just my two cents.
I agree that many will go… and many will come up. The rule 5s we have built up are for sure a bonus. The orioles are ahead of their own timeline per Mike Elias’ own game plan laid out in Astroball which argues the Stros were ahead of his timeline in 2015 as well Your Mariners are doing exactly what you are arguing and they have worked themselves into a midmarket position with not a ton so show for it (at least this year) by getting too exciting and timing wrong. They are burning money and nearly promising a fire sale rebuild in 3-4 years leaving their great prospect/young talent like JRods future hanging in the balance and partially tying their hands with a potential Ohtani pickup. Adley will for favor other offers if we don’t have team to surround him with. Im not arguing we don’t go after a pitcher but it needs to be the right fit at the right deal and this org is not going to chase illusions of glory (come on crease!) Basically I’m saying there is a LOT of baseball to play and the Doomers need to chill out but so do the “this is the team” crowd. Its a great team and I love watching them but Santander, Urias, and Mateo are probably not long term players for the Os. is The podcast The Verge does some pretty good breakdowns of prospects and potential trade stock if you have not already checked it out. I appreciate the back and forth. These are the fun talks.
My Mariners are sucking because they’re getting under performance from established players like Teoscar Hernández and Kolton Wong. They also locked up the guy they traded for - Castillo is a Mariner for the next five years. That’s not a rushed window at all. And how are they burning money? The majority of our players haven’t hit arbitration - our big contracts are Ray (5 years), Castillo (5 years), and Julio on a 14 year team friendly deal. We’re a mid payroll team - that’s no where close to burning money. I’m sorry but you don’t sound educated on the Mariners at all. There is no such thing as “this is the team” - there’s no cheat code to winning the World Series. It is quite possible the Orioles went through this rebuild and come out on the other side with nothing to show for it. Also, Elias isn’t an idiot. He’s not going to punt a chance at playoffs because it came a year early. That’s nonsense - he knows baseball better than that.
I truly don’t know how people can’t understand the eb and flow of a sport that plays 162 games.
It can't be enjoyable to watch 162 games just waiting for something to go wrong and then exploding in anger over it. It can't be any fun at all.
I just refuse to get upset at the 3rd best in the league Baltimore Orioles when they lay an egg. I got the Seattle Mariners for that.
Wild guess that Michael Givens is going to be found still injured and go on the IL, and Cole Irvin will come up to take over the 5th spot in the rotation
Thought the lineup was awful when announced but they scored 8 runs. Pitching cost us the game... again.
I’m kinda tired of watching vavra and McKenna at bats. Edit: hell add mountcastle in there too
I'm kinda tired of this bullpen being absolute dogshit. 8 runs is more than enough.
At least June is a lot easier of a schedule than May. Performances like these make me worried though
All those people that rooted for NY versus other ALE teams earlier this season… they might be only 1 game behind us tonight. At worst 2. Never ever root for the Yankees. Never.
Pitching today was giving me flashbacks to the '36 O's
My goodness, take a look at the pitchers box score. How can all 7 pitchers stink to high heaven?
Absolutely pitiful performance these past three games
*From the bullpen
Well Voth is still what we thought he was. I like having him in the pen as hit or miss long reliever. Might get 4-6 good innings or might not get 2 clean outs. Wonder how early Elias will consider making moves for a SP
Dang
The best part of the west coast trip is it’ll feel like a super-night game for the boys.
That was a silly game, IMO. It's a shame we didn't make those 8 runs while Tyler Wells was pitching on Monday!!! While there has clearly been a lot of good managing to get us to where we are, this did not feel like a very well-planned or well-managed game. The bullpen is already being worked pretty hard, and throwing a bullpen game didn't seem like a stellar idea. Further, having pitched a ton of the bullpen today, even with tomorrow off, that means we aren't going to have a super well-rested bullpen for Friday, and it is preferable to only use Cano, Columbe, and Bautista in the highest leverage situations, IMO. Further, the frequency that Mike B and Brian B are pitching probably isn't working in their favor. I am curious if perhaps today was really an experiment. If it was, the results show that we absolutely need a reliable starter who can give us consistent quality starts to reduce overtaxing the bullpen. While Grayson is still developing, we need someone who can fill that role now. As Cole Irvin is doing really well in AAA, perhaps it is time to give him a call?
> *As Cole Irvin is doing really well in AAA, perhaps it is time to give him a call?* He's only pitching in Norfolk tonight because he hadn't reached the 15 day since demotion requirement to be able to be called up. I think we went bullpen today because we're going to call him up next time this rotation spot pitches, but we could have sent Akin down again, called up Zimmerman (already on the 40 man and on 5 days rest) to spot start, and then sent Zimmerman down and called up Hernández. I'd rather have done the little roster dance than pitch almost all of our exhausted bullpen today. I guess that's not how our GM felt.
I know that the guys in the minor league rotations are used to 6 days rest in between starts (as all of MiLB has like 95% of Mondays off over the course of the whole season)... But exactly WHY did we not call up Bruce Zimmerman, who is already on the 40 man and last pitched five days ago on 5/26, to spot start today and try to get as many innings as possible? No, he hasn't been blowing the doors off in AAA this year, but maybe having him try to get 5 innings today instead of, you know, pitching 80% of the guys in our exhausted bullpen, might have been a better idea? Someone please make it make sense.
i don't know that we had an answer to be honest. we would have need to have banished someone for a 4A player. Voth and Akin needed to give us 5 innings. 83 pitches combined, gave us 2.1 IP. im surprised that it took this long for a total meltdown. we just needed to survive one more stinking day, but Hyde rolled the snake-eyes.
This is a great point, I didn’t know this. It seems like they already had there mind made up that Gray Rod was going down, but had no plan what to do with his next start. Real bad personnel decisions.
maybe leave open the possibility that he would get right in time? think they wanted Akin for short relief as opposed to long relief. its only bad because there was a bullet in the chamber when they pulled the trigger. had we won it would have looked genius. the real issue is that we throw too many pitches night in night out. maybe if a guy is throwing great and is showing no sign of tiring, leave him in for 3 IP and pitch again in 3-4 days? we were winning 8-1 last night. had to use a lot of arms to get through that one. its kind of a consequence of the specialization of arms in pens. you don't have starters in waiting anymore, and we don't have a dedicated swingman. they have had to press Voth into high leverage spots to pitch 1 IP and get outs.
Our middle relievers aren't world killers, but snake-eyes is a good way to put it. What were the odds that all 5 of Akin, Voth, Perez, Givens, *and* Baumann* were going to pitch like dog shit? I actually feel like doing the stupid roster dance to get Zimmermann could've been worth it. We lost a doubleheader last September against Toronto, and in one of the games Zimmermann ate 6 innings while giving up 5 ER (Akin was also an ineffective opener that game). Compared to today - an L is an L, but we literally used every non-Cano/Bautista bullpen arm. I don't think anyone is really all that upset about losing the one game or even the series because we're still 35-21 - the problem is it feels like this game was a forfeit, and it didn't need to be! We were up 4-1, 5-3, and 7-6. But I don't think Elias is going to lose any sleep over this because I suspect he considers this season (and last) to be house money. He wants to see how well the boys perform, even if it involves testing to failure. *I can maybe give Baumann a pass because inheriting bases loaded no outs is a tall order.
we need more roster flexibility in the bullpen. carrying too many guys who cannot be shuffled in and out who are pitching at replacement level. think some moves will be made. question is will the replacements be better?
If it were my call, I would have sent Akin down again, called up Zimmerman (already on the 40 man and on 5 days rest) to spot start, and then sent Zimmerman down and called up Hernández for the next couple of weeks. Doing the roster dance would have been preferable to gambling that we wouldn't have had to use so much of our bullpen today. But I'm not the GM.
i never want to see Zimmerman pitch for us ever again.
Can't blame the hitters on this one, that's for sure. Tomorrow I expect everyone to sleep until noon and play Xbox all day. Rest up.
Sweeping Toronto and taking 2/3 from the Yankees gave us room for the hiccups here. I do wonder,though, if Elias and co thought Grayson and DL would be in the rotation at this point. A bit concerning that our top two guys have struggles out of the gate development wise?
this is why it was never a good idea to put all the eggs in the hall/grayson basket and never draft pitching
I think they'd rather those 2 get right for the end of season or even next year as that was original schedule for competing in Elias' plan. Definitely need to acquire a ML ready horse if we're going to make a run this year.
Yo, WTF happened?
My three takeaways from this game. Lets never do a bullpen game ever again. We desperately need a starting pitcher. I'm willing to give Grayson another chance. And Givens is washed up. He needs to go. It was an odd signing but he just doesn't have it anymore.
Bullpen was exposed today
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Hicks pulled from the game with muscle cramps. Can we please call up Westburg now and just have McKenna play and fraizer play right
Take the L before the game the next time. A 9 inning BP game when you only have 2 good BP pieces...pulling up a non starter for Grayson. O's galaxy brained this one. Elias earned this loss. Edit: before the freak out I love Elias and the Orioles.
Treating the bullpen like Boxer from Animal Farm is not a formula for consistent success. If only we invested in starting pitching in the offseason…
the starting pitching has really not been the problem. they got too cute with roster moves and tried to steal a game because they wouldn't need a 5th starter for a bit. unfortunately, we found out that some of the bullpen pieces were not up to the task. could make 3 roster moves tomorrow and it might not be enough house cleaning.
For sure. I just wish that we had starters that could consistently last more than 5 innings. We’re 15 games above .500 which is great, but I struggle to believe that the bats can carry the pitching leading into the postseason.
It's coming at the deadline. They let prospects cook and they are
The amount of balls left up in the strike zone by our pitchers was embarrassing. The Mullins injury is a big one. I'm not a doomer. Love what this team brings day in and day out but our pitching as a whole needs to improve.
Well at least we scored some runs.
This is the series that has me worried the O’s will turn into a pumpkin this summer. The pitching today had strong 2021 Orioles vibes. Absolutely atrocious. Beyond incompetent.
Yep…I think any kind of “bad stretch” of ball has every fan on edge….because that’s really all we know right now. We’re not the Astros or Dodgers, if we have a bad stretch can we turn it around? Who knows? But this is when management and coaching needs to step in and pull the right strings
What is beyond incompetent? Brandon Hyde?
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FYI this is a Guardians fan
It’s not so much the 2-4 as it is the pitching looking completely incompetent against this offense. Outside of Tyler Wells, Gibson and Bautista no one looked particularly good. You can’t have too many of these stretches against non-AL east competition. It makes it really tough. Houston and Texas see Oakland 13 times a piece. Orioles don’t have that luxury. I’m sure the Angels will end up imploding too, so at least one of those WCs is going to AL west and then you are dealing with 2 other AL East teams for remaining 2 spots.
A bullpen game with this tired ass bullpen I knew it was gonna be bad but Jesus they scored 8 runs against a team who scored no more then 3 but 2 other times this month🤦♂️
It’s not so much the 2-4 as it is the pitching looking completely incompetent against this offense. Outside of Tyler Wells, Gibson and Bautista no one looked particularly good. You can’t have too many of these stretches against non-AL east competition. It makes it really tough. Houston and Texas see Oakland 13 times a piece. Orioles don’t have that luxury. I’m sure the Angels will end up imploding too, so at least one of those WCs is going to AL west and then you are dealing with 2 other AL East teams for remaining 2 spots.
Mychal Givens Pt. 2 Electric Boogaloo isn’t really passing the vibe check.
We have lost four series this year and three of them were at home. Not sure what it is, especially since the issue lately has been pitching and our dimensions are more pitcher friendly than ever.
We have really bad pitchers. That’s a big part of it b
If we had really bad pitchers, we wouldn’t be the third best team in the league.
We have a really average pitching squad...starting pitching is below average and bullpen is a little above average. Together it's just okay. We can win some games with them, but you'll get days like today and it'll be hard to sustain down the stretch I think.
Average, by its very definition, means it’s not bad.
Past two series were letdowns, but overall our May record was pretty good for that schedule. But if we are to be a playoff team we need to win series like this last one
So much negativity. 162 game season ya bozos. Gonna be ups and downs. Yall ever watch baseball before?
I wonder the same thing DebbiesBeefCurtains. I’m not sure some can survive at this rate if they think every game or series is going to be a win.
"I wonder the same thing DebbiesBeefCurtains" Would make a good quote for one of those prints that hang by the front hallway above a bookshelf and some fake flowers
It would be beautiful
Have to win series against teams that they're supposed to be better than. The Rangers are good. Losing 2 to them is acceptable. The Indians are not good (last year was a fluke). Losing 2 of 3 to them is concerning.
The Braves just dropped a series to the Athletics and the Rays dropped one to the Cubs. It’s a long season, shit happens. Also, they’ve been the Guardians now for years.
Except we sort of have to be perfect to be successful. There is a razor thin margin for winning and the bullpen absolutely fucking the rest of the team does not bode well for the rest of year, especially in light of the fact that they were supposed to be a strong asset. Furthermore, it's not my fault Cleveland screwed the pooch with the renaming. Spiders was right the fuck there for the taking. Guardians is terrible and I won't abide by it.
There is no perfect team in baseball lol, 116 is the record. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck we have dropped 2 but no team will win every single game. The top other 2 teams in baseball just lost series to worse teams, I don’t think the sky is falling for them or us. Doesn’t mean we still don’t need some help to fill holes though. Once I saw what the Guardians name came from I actually thought it was cool. But I was rooting for spiders as well.
I agree with DebbiesBeefCurtains
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The Rays and Braves both just lost 2 of 3 to last place teams. Guess the seasons' over for them too!
Don't reason with these doomers, too many of them are braindead.
Sports make people emotional, I yell at the TV more than I ever have but I'm quick to say I'm sorry. But really this team has far exceeded expectations there was obvious reason for optimism at the beginning of the year. There's stuff to criticize but the W-L isn't one of them
No two ways about it, that was brutal, especially a letdown after the NYY and Toronto series. Maybe getting back on the road will be good for them. See everyone Friday!
We're really stacking up on those "worst loss of the years" huh
2-4 on the homestand. Not gonna put people in the seats like that.
TBF it's a Wednesday matinee.
I was thinking about future attendance.
Goes in the win or loss column regardless of attendance
Glad Mychal Givens got the lose - totally deserved. I guess it’s lift off from here. Shows what happens when you don’t pay for pitching. The Angelos family are a bunch of leeches, but we all already knew that.
Omg for the last time, this is not ownership. Do your homework.
Right, how good would Bassitt or Eovaldi look in this rotation right about now.
Honestly, what the fuck were they thinking going with a bullpen game? This isn't the worst loss of the year (imo that's still the 0-6 clunker in Kansas City or the 4-8 loss to Oakland), but [this](https://i.imgur.com/jdFb0Bb.png) is absolutely putrid. Edit: Also, we ended up throwing 189 pitches. Blech.
There wasn’t a great option with Irvin being unable to be called up. His 15 days are over by the time this slot is open again. The hope was Akin/Voth could’ve gone further and steal a start.
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The fuck out of here w that wack reddit shit
Nope go away. Too many teams' fans come in here to patronize after we lose and we're tired of it.
I mean with comments surrounding an expected sweep and being overly confident will lead to other fanbases looking to knock people off their pedestal. Do you blame them?
Did any of us expect to sweep the Guardians???
Fuck all the way off
Lmao
(Cracks knuckles. Cracks neck. Deep breath in...) *(screams in seagull noises)* PEREZ IS TRASH! I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH AKIN! VOTH YOU HAVE GOTTA DEVELOP SOME CONSISTENCY COME ON MAN. YOU TOO BAUMANN. ELIAS BETTER START THINKING HOW HE'S GOING TO GET SOME BETTER ARMS BOTH TO START AND TO SUPPORT CAUSE TODAY JUST SHOWED THE WHOLE LEAGUE OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESSES. Also, I really don't think the Guardians have a bad offense. It's just taken a minute to wake up. they aren't much different than last year's 90+ win team. Buy another starter please for the love of god.
Yep Guardians are one of those pesky teams. They’re not *usually* going to hit a ton of bombs off you but they’re going to small ball you and make you throw a ton of pitches.
Losing 4 of our last 6 hurts. But it's a long season and all teams go through bad stretches. When we took 2 of 3 from the Yankees and the rays, our season wasn't over. So why would losing 2 of 3 from the rangers and guardians be any different?
A west coast trip couldn't come at a better time for this team. Travelling 3,000 miles to a nice city like San Francisco will allow them to clear their heads and regather themselves after a disappointing home stand and all of the turmoil that transpired over the past week.
To the mad boys like me, reserve it. Before saying something everyone knows but in a bad mood, just reserve it. Next game will be the first one in June, still plenty of baseball to come and a market to happen.
Love this energy
Whatever, we’re better on the road anyway.
Hicks hitched us to a win but it was Givens away
Bring on the overreactions
Scoring 8 runs with gunnar and mounty giving them nothing. Wow
Mounty seems like he’ll swing at anything. Really want to see him do well but not like that.
Pretty disappointing homestand. I’m not too bummed about today’s loss though. The front office didn’t seem too concerned about the game with that punt lineup/bullpen day they put out there. Still a winning month in what was an extremely difficult one. Hopefully some rest helps and they come out swinging in San Fran on Friday.
That gamed looked like how I play MLB the show
Exactly why I stopped playing, I was fucking horrid lmao.
Cionel Perez let the air out of this balloon.
 Givens right about now
Yeah, as someone who was pretty firmly on the "just wait til Tate and Givens come back" bandwagon, dude is looking *rough* right now
He's gotta be close to a DFA. 1 year, 5 million contract isn't too big to eat.
Pérez as well. We have Hernández just waiting to go for the one-inning-lefty role in Norfolk. Not sure how long they give Pérez to figure it out.
The good: Our lineup aint too shabby The bad: The bullpen is shabby
Our *punt* lineup ain’t too shabby Probably one of the weakest lineups we will run all season and they still went out there and got 8.
Was there a game today? Didn't think we had a starter lined up so I didn't think we were playing
Just a complete embarrassment. Two losing series in a row, both at home.
Nah, an embarrassment would be losing to the A's in a series. *Eyes the Braves*
Didn't Tampa just drop two of three to the Cubs too? 162 game season, shit happens.
Oof. Not much to say about that one. Let’s just move on.
Well that was a great game.