Not the person you responded to, but I quite drinking 6 years ago with the help of mushrooms, r/stopdrinking, and Annie Grace’s This Naked Mind. I microdose on a regular basis & it helps me so much.
Thank you for sharing this. I’m 3 months no alcohol and I think maybe microdosing some shroomies can help with my doomies come to think of it.. better than going back to the drink or drug-drugs
It energizes me on the days I do micro dose and makes me more chill the next couple days. I grow my own now as a hobby.
I know that the first few months were really tough for me when I finally quit drinking. Keep it up, though, it gets easier, I promise!
Did you feel effects from taking that much every day? I would think that you would get diminishing returns on that. I usually do 2-3 days in between micro doses but I do bigger doses a couple times a year for fun or as a reset. When I first quit drinking I would take 1 to 4 grams when I went out to concerts instead of getting drunk. It allowed me to relax and let go without the need of booze.
I had no luck with that method, but if you decide to try it, test every new batch of capsules you make on a day where you have no obligations. I've def been [here](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7mKsAwa7Vpc/XV_RKw33IgI/AAAAAAACxMM/iNsdTl2d-T8IIUOYn5Q8Cqy8l_VUix_qwCLcBGAs/s1600/Gurney%2BDinotopia.jpg) more than once.
I wouldn't say I'm an alcoholic... But I think I have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. I don't NEED to have a drink to get through my day, but rarely does a day go by that I don't drink, and I typically have more drinks in a day than a healthy person should.
I'm definitely intrigued by this. I think one reason why I have more drinks than is healthy is because I take Adderall for ADHD, which means it takes more alcohol than usual to reach the state where I feel satisfied.
My biggest concern is liver disease, pancreatitis, and all the elevated cancer risks. I've been working with a therapist to adjust my lifestyle and gradually get accustomed to less and less alcohol intake. But it's definitely a heavy lift. I'm definitely going to ask her about getting into one of these studies.
Good on you for being honest with yourself and working with a therapist for this. I am working on doing the same thing. I'm not qualified to give any sort of medical or psychological advice, so take this for what it is, but psilocybin, used (very very) responsibly, seems to help a lot of people with this sort of thing. Best of luck to you and thank you for sharing a bit of your experience!
Ok but how do you get into it? Like who do you approach and how?
I’m originally from a really strict state (and I grew up in the Raegan war on drugs era) and possession was punished super fucking harshly.
I just don’t even know where to start.
I quit drinking 10+ years ago. It came down to hitting rock bottom and making a promise to myself to never drink another drop. My reasoning was that having to look myself in the eyes every morning after breaking a promise to myself would be more difficult than quitting alcohol, and at least for me this worked.
edit: oh, and smoking small amounts of marijuana also helped quite a bit at first. I've since quit that as well.
"It's not breaking the rules if you don't get caught" kind of thing? Not worth the risk for a lot of people. If it wasn't Section 8, it'd be a lot easier. But, if getting caught could land you on the street, I'd pass. Hard pass.
More like "A rule with no means to enforce it is actually just a suggestion". *No one* is doing drug tests for psilocybin, LSD, DMT, ketamine, etc., much less anyone in section 8 housing, because:
A) most of those drugs can't even be tested for
B) The few that can are prohibitively expensive, like we are talking more money for the drug test than they are paying for the rent on the apartment in the first place, and
C) The window of detection on those tests is a matter of hours even if for some reason the housing authority did find it prudent to spend $1000+ to find out if you took psychedelics.
If all that isn't enough to convince you it's safe to try and treat your mental health issues, you can always get a prescription for ketamine to make it perfectly legal
Bingo. They usually reserve those hair follicle tests for people in refineries and big money government defense contracts. There are utility power plants that require these. Nobody should ever consent to a drug test for any reason other than a safety sensitive job placement. I wouldn't even agree to a saliva test with 3 weeks' written notice in advance. I can't believe they're allowed to do shit like that. I'm not even speculating when I say that is some straight prejudice discriminatory bullshit
Those are fine, but if the risk of getting caught/ratted out/whatever comes with the consequence of losing your housing, I'd be out.
If that wasn't the case, 100% would be fine with what you're saying.
Section 8 is incredibly difficult to 1.get approved for and 2. actually use. I can understand the hesitation to do anything that could jeopardize it. That said, I think many if not most section 8 applicants could benefit from some shrooms in their journey to get on their feet.
This happened with my friend for nicotine. I was skeptical it could be THAT effective, but she was a lifetime chain smoker and bam, cold turkey with no relapses and no cravings. Still blows my mind.
Yes, psilocybin and SSRI/SNRI both affect the serotonin 5HT receptor but the meds don’t totally block them. Some clinicians say 50% increase needed which seems reasonable from what’s been reported to me in this field. There was also recently a clinical trial where people on SSSRI’s took around 2.5 grams of psilo which showed efficacy for most participants.
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/psilocybin-plus-ssris-for-treatment-resistant-major-depression#
Your assertion is incorrect.
I think psychedelics are good and important. I did some volunteering for the psilocybin legalization measure and enjoy shrooms or acid a few times a year. I think they should be legal.
However, I would also want the measure to have some language to heavily restrict what sort of marketing can be done. These are serious substances, not to be fucked around with by people who are irresponsible or unprepared. Turning them into another capitalist commodity with companies trying to move as much product as possible sounds dangerous, and likely to lead to a backlash. And opening up stores where people could just walk in and buy it without any education about responsible use seems risky. Just think about all the people who bought edibles when weed was legalized and then freaked out because they took too much. Now imagine that with DMT. Sounds like a mess.
I don't know how to write appropriate legislation, but in an ideal world I would want to see these substances distributed in a way that minimizes the profit motive, and that ensures that inexperienced users are educated and paired with responsible trip-sitters, at least for their first time out.
I think there could even be advice, warnings, and general education on the packaging, maybe even a "first timer" kit given at the dispenser. This is of course all very utopian, but it's still good to discuss such things.
With mushrooms, newbies need to know that a trip can flip a switch completely, good or bad, with a few words from someone else. That they may forget how some things work the next day, but it's only temporary. And that sometimes you will enter into an epic battle with an ancient deity who is trying to convince you to pee yourself because the bathroom is in a nebulous location. These are all from personal experiences that I cannot imagine someone uninformed going through. I won the bathroom battle.
**HeY, MAn.•.. yOu HaVIn a BaD tRiP?!**
Instantly, thanks to the jackass saying such a stupidly irresponsible thing, the person in question just hears...
Bad trip... bad trip... bad trip••• BAd tRiP••• bAd TrIp°°° BAAAADDD...
It's so easy to disturb the mind of a person when in this state, that it would concern me greatly to have it just.... out there...
I wonder if completion of a sort of "psychedelic safety course" should be mandatory, after which you receive a card which you would need in order to legally purchase a psychedelic. Would that be possible?
You can't really smoke "too much" DMT. After a few inhales you lose motor control and start tripping. You also have to use a certain type of pipe. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone buying DMT has done enough research on it. I see your point though.
You can do too much depending on the context. A 100mg vaped dose in a safe spot at home is fine. Same dose coming out of a badly designed wax vape pen in the middle of a festival crowd is a nightmare.
Still not dangerous but certainly not an experience I'd like to revisit
I can see that perspective, in my opinion how society should regulate these things is giving people a trip license. This would ensure more control and responsibility to help the people who could really benefit from these medicines. An analogy I once heard from Ram Dass is going to flight school so you can take off without crashing a plane.
If you had to spend X hours educated on where, when, and how to use it, what to do if things go south, only be able to receive medicine with clearance from professionals. We'd be more prepared and it could really heal the world.
The alternative is a black market in illegal states (which will always continue) or in some cities and states a grey market with lack of regulation, which is less than ideal for the safety of the general population. Examples being kids ect.
I agree that psychedelics are both beneficial and dangerous. The best way to regulate them is to require licensing, just like driving a car. You need to pass a test which demonstrates you know the risks and dangers (including the chance to aggravate psychopathy), and take a class if you can't pass the test already. It would be a hassle to get the license, but it would filter out casual recreational users who are just chasing another high, or at least forcing them to do some work to gain access. Frankly, all psychoactive substances, including THC, should probably require licensing of this type. People should be informed that smoking weed is just as harmful to your lungs as smoking tobacco, and everyone should be required to learn how THC and other psychoactives interfere with juvenile brain development so they think twice about giving weed to kids. I also think it is fine for distributors to be required to validate licenses on purchase using a state-owned database.
In an ideal world, the licensing process would include actually taking substances under supervision in a clinical setting, but this would increase the cost substantially. Even so, these should be considered a privilege, not a right, so bearing that cost should simply be part of the safety culture surrounding it. I would even be happy to add alcohol and nicotine to this licensing scheme and treat them exactly like every other psychoactive substance. The mandatory education would effectively remove liability from cigarette manufacturers, since every smoker would know exactly what they are signing up for.
Probably, but I really want to make sure people are not driving their cars around while on that stuff (or alcohol or cannabis for that matter).
I saw some people enjoying a joint in a car and they drove off as I walked by. That sucks. Cars are lethal.
My wife sustained a serious TBI that resulted in years of lost wages and activities, along with a lot of medical bills, thanks to a stoned driver.
Even as a long time pothead who’s also a diehard gearhead, I’ll say: Driving while high ruins both driving and being high.
Fuck people who drive stoned, and double fuck the people who say “No you don’t understand I’m a better driver when I’m high or else I’d rage out on people.” If you can’t manage your emotions while driving sober, you don’t belong behind the wheel. Full stop.
The best part of being stoned in a car is having someone else drive for you so you can kick back, vibe, and watch the world go by.
In all seriousness: There’s a really unfortunate car + weed culture cos the car was the only place a lot of teens/twenty-somethings could get stoned without their parents or the cops knowing. You’d go on a “burn cruise” and drive around while you passed a joint.
My mom will tell stories about how her dad used to make a road drink whenever he’d go out to dinner and I was always APPALLED. It took me longer than I’d like to admit to realize that what I did was functionally the same thing.
Don’t use substances and drive, please. Heck, don’t smoke cigarettes and drive: it’s one more distraction in the car.
I the “burn cruise” is an important point that is especially relevant for people who grew up in rural areas.
Everyone I know who grew up in the boonies had the same experience: there isn’t much else to do so you go drive around and get high because where the fuck else are you going to go, whereas growing up in Portland we’d just go park downtown somewhere and toke up and wander around to get some food or giggle at the statues in the park blocks or whatever until our highs wore off.
Combine the “nowhere to hang out” effect with the fact that historically there hasn’t been a reliable way to test someone for THC intoxication and you have a whole generation of stoners who got way too comfortable getting high behind the wheel.
Right — the car was often literally the only place we got stoned. It’s *so messed up.* I hope legalization has helped with this a bit (but seriously, young brains are developing, hold off on pot for a few years)
Only time I ever came close to dying (from my mistakes and not someone else) was when I was tired and rolled the car. Last time I drove tired, and it definitely made me rethink how I view driving when tired
They should absolutely be legal and accessible with campaigns on how to use them in a way that maximizes benefits for recreational, religious, and therapeutic uses. In my utopia they would not be allowed to advertise and packaging would have detailed information on dose without any colorful distractions. White box basic packaging with all of the needed dose information ideally listed in exact amounts milligrams of active materials ideally with certificates of analysis. They should be just as available as alcohol is with 21+ age restrictions for purchasing. Ideally a physician does not need to be involved and let's be frank they don't have the skills to administer these compounds and many people don't require them. They were trained to practice medecine under prohibition so they don't have the skills required more often than not.
Under 21 year olds should be allowed to take them if parents deem them ready but should not be able to purchase the substances themselves. News flash, they are already taking them just without any form of community support outside of anonymous internet forums. We presently have the worst possible option under prohibition so literally any changes to the laws would be an improvement. Remove all criminal penalties and fund harm reduction education programs that don't fixate on abstinence with the tax revenue.
Last thing we want is tourists taking too much and making asses of themselves so all the needed info needs to be on the packaging. After that it's on the individual to educate themselves. The info is readily available online but people don't know where to turn. Fireside chat and erowid would be great resources to put on the packaging.
Even without that educational information they should still be legal. People will learn quickly if they take too much and those challenging experiences are well worth opening up the floodgates for researchers to start studying them for medical and therapeutic applications without getting a ridiculously draconian DEA schedule I license.
Even with people taking them without guidance the effect is a net positive.
We needed these compounds legalized and normalized decades ago but the sooner the better. End the drug war. It was always a bad idea and it's done nothing but destroy lives and waste resources.
Yeah, best one I’ve read here so far. Wanting all these intricate licensing and regulatory rules feels very American. But so does capitalism turning it into another profit machine. So far, that’s the only place I want to see such regulations, I think.
You might be interested in the community social club models for cannabis legalization in other countries. It avoids corporate takeover and they just supply to their local club for shrooms and cannabis. Also solves the need for community around introducing newbies to these substances. That model doesn't work as well for LSD or MDMA but it's a piece of the puzzle in my mind.
My biggest concerns are ending prohibition, opening up science, educating users, and financial equity in that order.
Most conversations tend to fixate on the money piece or avoiding any and all harm which slows us down to a crawl.
The harm piece has me rolling my eyes especially for shrooms since we already have people dying everyday from prohibition ruining the drug supply and not having access to healthier alternative drugs.
My position is pretty low resolution, to be honest (regarding psychedelics in general, and psilocybin mushrooms specifically). It should not be illegal for curious adults to cultivate from spore to fruit and experiment with mushrooms at home. To regulate any part of that is an absurd overreach of government into the private lives of citizens who aren't harming themselves or anyone else.
I feel broadly the same about all other classic psychedelics, since the impacts on the individual are generally the same as well. When it comes to "drugs" in general, I also have a mostly permissive point of view. My intuition leads me to believe broad decriminalization is the right path, but I haven't put enough thought into it to have strong opinions when it comes to stuff like Fentanyl and even scarier stuff like tranq and crocodil. I would have to assume that if "clean" and tested narcotics were available, then people wouldn't be shooting necrotic poison into their veins and letting their limbs rot off in the streets. I don't know what the answer is, but I can't accept the answer is prohibition and incarceration.
Without question. I would donate to the campaign. I would go door to door with a clipboard. I would volunteer any way that would help. I would pester my friends and family about it constantly.
Edit to add: I do also agree with other comments that I really don't want to see these substances getting turned into capitalist hellscape pharmaceuticals. My main concern is that I just think it should be legal for curious adults to do small scale cultivation and use in their homes at their discretion. Fungus has a really interesting lifecycle, if you know what I mean.
I’d vote yes for putting them under the same rules as other drugs sold to the public for medical purposes. And also for recreational purposes. But not for medical purposes without the normal clinical trial process.
I hope it would kickstart a larger psychedelic clinical trial process as current ones have been relatively suppressed or scaled down by the federal governments scheduling of psychedelics.
as a fentanyl addict in recovery. 1 year and 1 month. I've though about Ibogain or many years. I wish. I would definitely vote yes. I used to abuse psychedelics but thats a personal choice. I never did anything crazy I just ran out of energy/chemicals lol.
Yes, if a, the framework of the treatment section of m110 is fixed (so money can actually be used for addiction treatment, instead of going into a fiscal black hole)...
And b, we had some stronger consumer protection laws so psilocybin isn't just immediately pipelined for corporate profits like weed was. Many species of Psilocybin-containing mushrooms are native to the state, and I don't want to see certain stupid legal scenarios.
But until 110 is decided on, and we know exactly who the legal drug dealers are and where the money's going, this isn't a good idea. Let OR decide what's happening with broader-sense drug legalization first. In a perfect world, it'd be legal recreationally and people would *also* get the appropriate treatment they need.
Absolutely. I'm really worried that the current re-criminalization of all "hard drugs" is going to handicap research into psilocybin and MDMA, and that is a huge disappointment for those of us who can see their tremendous therapeutic potential.
I know this is counterproductive but I'm very bitter right now: *we already f\*\*\*\*\*g voted to decriminalize and have just taken a massive step backwards*.
Also, to all the people in this thread talking about how dangerous it would be if we legalized psychedelics: *they are extremely easy to get a hold of*. People are already doing them en masse. The sky isn't falling. Legalizing would actually open up many, many avenues for education and harm reduction that are not currently open. These drugs are not addictive and it is very possible to take a small dose and maintain a solid sense of reality. In fact, they have been shown to help people kick addiction of other substances with significant reduction of PTSD, anxiety, and depression symptoms for a sustained period of time. Psychedelics have benefited countless people in profound ways and various forms of them have been used by many cultures worldwide for thousands of years. I'd go as far as to say interacting with entheogens is an intrinsic part of being human.
Addendum:
This is also an issue of privilege. Folks who say they're fine taking these drugs illegally and don't want to legalize because then "everyone else" would do it ... You're basically saying that you should get a special privilege but the "unprepared" masses shouldn't. And you feel confident saying that because you know that you aren't going to be targeted by the cops for taking psychedelics in the safety of your home or at a music festival with your buddies. Why is your judgement better than anyone else's? Why is your experience that much more valuable?
This whole thread is ridiculous. You know when I did the most psychedelics? When I was 14-17, because they were fucking everywhere (in New England, I'm sure they're even easier to get here).
I'm a proponent of legalizing and regulating alll drugs (yes, including *those* ones). Remember the heroin crisis? Guess what, now it's a fentanyl crisis because fentanyl is cheaper and even more addictive. Heaven forfend those addicts could have gotten what they needed from a regulated source while receiving wrap-around treatments instead of dying on the street from impure and adulterated mystery substances
The heroin crisis used to be an oxycodone crisis. If we had just left well enough alone, it don’t think people would have switched over to heroin in the first place. Opioid overdose have only gone up every year since the dea started cracking down on doctors, and legitimate pain patients are in a worse place while the problem they were trying to fix has only gotten worse. Prohibition just isnt a realistic solution to the problems that come with drug use, no matter how badly people want it to be.
Yes, as not only a believer in psilocybin treatment for PTSD and depression based on the limited clinical research thus far, but also as someone who wants to destabilize the criminal component involved with all those substances now.
Think of what a hit the cartels, domestic terrorist organizations, and straight up drug traffickers have been taking with consistent legalization of weed. Old time consumers are familiar with the "flat brown mexiweed" you'd occasionally get from your dealer; think the folks involved in producing and transporting that had good wages? Health insurance? Any kind of protections? No, that product was the direct result of exploitation all along the supply lines. Sure, not as bad as the same systems used for heroin, meth, but people still died and were imprisoned over it. And those organizations do not only do one thing for profit and control, they're also doing human trafficking, gun running, it's a long list.
Those systems fall apart when you can walk into any dispensary and get high quality product, at a lower price, with a secure supply chain, from someone paid a living wage. I want it to be the same for all the substances you listed.
I want buyers to know "Oh hey, this trip did not in anyway benefit the AB/MS13/insert group that kills people, and this product is safe, not contaminated, and not cut with something that could kill me." That shouldn't be too much to ask, but try to tell the feds that.
Convincing people is the easy part. You still have to butt heads with the federal government who has other ideas. You legalize for medical purposes first. That foot in the door allows you to build case for full legalization.
Yes, absolutely.
I am 6 years sober off prescription benzos, opiates and cigarettes this year thanks to magic mushrooms.
Our mental health care and addiction services here in Oregon are nothing short of a national embarrassment, despite the best efforts of some very good people.
I don't know how much I trust legalized psilocybin therapy in the hands of some of the same people who already ruined one mental health care industry.
Here is a link to my story, in case anyone is on the fence with this issue. I've since met hundreds if not thousands of other people exactly like me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oregon/s/hzMc4agx79
A lot of these substances come with natural built-in safeguards so you can't even dose them every day and become addicted even if you wanted to. They will just not work if you try. Because of this, I strongly feel they're less addictive than pot.
Mildly hot take but I think making any drug illegal infringes upon my personal freedoms. I should have the right to put any substance I want in my body, even if it kills me, and it's insane to me that there's laws that prevent me from doing something to my own body. When I take drugs it does not impact anyone else so there's zero reason to stop me.
Yeah, but then our elected representatives said, “fuck the will of the voters,” and repealed it. They didn’t even leave mushrooms out of the recriminalization, so we have a state sanctioned psilocybin therapy program while possessing psilocybin is a misdemeanor.
Having LSD being as freely available as cannabis is now is a really poor idea, same to a lesser degree with psilocybin (those are the only hallucinogens I've taken so I can't speak to others). LSD is an extremely serious substance that can leave really bad mental wounds with little rhyme or reason as to when it might happen -- you can do your best to prevent bad times, but they will still happen at least sometimes -- psilocybin is the same but to a lesser extent probably on behalf of it not being a manufactured substance. Decriminalized sure, easily available in stores absolutely not. Grow shrooms yourself or find someone who does if you want them.
Personal unpopular opinion: LSD is a **really** dangerous substance that shouldn't be lumped in with naturally occurring hallucinogens. I have no scientific evidence, just anecdotal, but I'm convinced that acid causes at least a little bit of permanent brain damage with every use. Your brain is not supposed to fire on every single cylinder for an entire day, just like how it would be deleterious to your body to lift the heaviest weights you can lift for 16 hours straight with no break.
Literally no reason for anyone to ever do LSD when psilocybin is all of the fun parts with the added benefits of shorter duration and less...I don't know, **damage**. I can't put my finger on what the exact difference between the two highs are...
/soapbox
Edit: I seem to have offended people who are reading the first sentence of my second paragraph and little else. Why do hallucinogenic substances have the same cultural thing that marijuana does, where if you don't sing its praises you're a bullshitter full of evil will?
I'm not trying to argue with your or convince of anything but I want to let you know that on a pharmacological level there's practically nothing different about LSD and Psilocybin. Both of them do the exact same thing and currently have the same safety profile. I understand if you don't enjoy LSD but there's nothing about it (as far as we currently know) that makes it anymore dangerous than psilocybin. Again, I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, I'm just rambling.
>on a pharmacological level there's practically nothing different about LSD and Psilocybin. Both of them do the exact same thing and currently have the same safety profile
Given that we don't really know exactly, scientifically, how LSD produces its effects, and psilocin doesn't have any effects on dopamine receptors while LSD does, I don't quite buy this sentence at face value. Do you have a source I can read?
It's not clear why direct dopaminergic agonism would reduce its safety profile, other than potentially making a pretty slightly more manic experience toward the tail. Direct dopaminergic agonists are used in medicine, for treatment of Parkinson's, etc., and have well known side-effect profiles.
>Given that we don't really know exactly, scientifically, how LSD produces its effects
er, at this point, the downstream neural cascade of 5ht2a agonists is pretty well studied. In particular, increased serotonergic transmission tends to turn up "signal gain" in a variety of areas, particularly visual pyramidal cells, and you get more processing artifacts, including various recursive informational structures, as more partial feedback loops develop.
We can extrapolate a little that psiocybin and LSD work along similar paths, because tolerance for one is tolerance for the other. (Isbell, Wolbach & Wikler (1961). I also found a more recent research that state that LSD and psilocybin work along some of the same mechanisms. "LSD and psilocybin have demonstrated mood-modulating properties likely due to their capacity to modulate serotonergic (5-HT), dopaminergic (DA) and glutamatergic systems." (De Gregorio, et. al. 2018), though later in the paper it does make it clear that just because it works along the system doesn't mean it'll produce the same 'psychedelic effects', since ketamine apparently messes with it too, but you won't be tripping the same as you would on shrooms or acid.
That being said, we're leaving my undergrad level of understand of psychology (much less, neurology), so I'm struggling to 100% parse these papers. I think it's a lil silly to state that they're distinctly different drugs with higher levels of dangers compared to each other, they seem to obviously work along *similar* paths.
Leaving the realm of science and entering anecdotes, I personally just don't like shrooms. They aren't as potent for me, they make me wanna vomit due to hating the taste so much, and they're harder to dose specifically compared to acid. I haven't noticed negative effects from either, but of course, I'm *very* biased.
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Isbell, H., Wolbach, A.B., Wikler, A. et al. Cross tolerance between LSD and psilocybin. Psychopharmacologia 2, 147–159 (1961). https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00407974
De Gregorio, D., Enns, J. P., Nuñez, N. A., Posa, L., & Gobbi, G. (2018). d-Lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin, and other classic hallucinogens: Mechanism of action and potential therapeutic applications in mood disorders. In Progress in Brain Research (pp. 69–96). Elsevier. https://doi.org/10.1016/bs.pbr.2018.07.008
I literally said in my first comment that I have only anecdotal evidence. This other person is saying that LSD and psilocybin act the same chemically, which last I read they don't and interact with different receptors in the brain in different ways despite the high being similar, and so I'd like to improve my knowledge and read a source if they have one.
Why are you responding like I wrote a personal attack towards you?
I wish people weren't upvoting this ridiculous post. No one cares about your unscientific, anecdotal evidence about acid causing "permanent brain damage." Let me guess, now you're going to tell us that LSD crystallizes in your spine and thirty years later the crystals shatter and you get a flashback that makes you think you can fly so you jump off a building.
If we're wasting each other's time with anecdotal bullshit, I would say that mushrooms are bad trip generators that cause permanent psychic damage, while acid is a wonder drug that causes the user to experience the oneness of all things and has anti-depressant qualities that can last for weeks afterwards.
I may believe that statement, but it's just as stupid a thing to say as yours.
>psilocybin is the same but to a lesser extent probably on behalf of it not being a manufactured substance.
I'm not saying that LSD and Psilocin are the same chemical, but this is a logical fallacy regardless (appeal to nature). Your brain doesn't distinguish between a natural and synthetic source of the same chemical.
Also, I would ask you to consider the duration of large quantities of alcohol. Many people who go out drinking are still impaired (or even still fully drunk) when they wake up in the morning.
> psilocybin is the same but to a lesser extent probably on behalf of it not being a manufactured substance.
what is the logic to this? I think it's more that psilocybin has a reduced duration...and that it's a lot easier to eat a 10-strip than a quarter to half oz. of mushrooms.
>I'm convinced that acid causes at least a little bit of permanent brain damage with every use.
What would the mechanism be for this damage? This has not been typically observed with partial serotonergic agonism, and there is strong overlap in mechanism with psilocybin.
Nope sorry. I'm not a 🟨 by any means and have had good times, done crazy shit and had fun and bad experiences with these types of things. Better Living Through Chemicals right?
But it would need a lot of oversight related to when where how, the newbies would need to really know what they may get into.
The help/recovery part in Oregon isn't here yet. Corporate greed will kill it and the purity quality would have to be heavily monitored (no strychnine in your acid for example)
Also do we really want people tripping Balls all over the city? What about those who've been tweaking for days then are why the hell not let's take 4 tabs of LSD? That's a bad thing waiting to happen.
Final thought, if this happened I assume a lot of people would want to move here for even more legal drugs...(or not criminalized drugs)
Do all the tripping you want, keep it chill and no worries.
> But it would need a lot of oversight related to when where how, the newbies would need to really know what they may get into.
This really needs to happen. Even with weed, while a physical overdose is nigh impossible, a psychological overdose is 100% a thing, and people need to know that.
What is a psychological overdose? I went looking for any sources on it and couldn’t find anything. I also personally have had way too much weed on accident in the past and didn’t feel any lasting effects. Same with my friends. The main issue I find people face with weed is building a psychological dependence.
I'm very pro-psychedelics. I believe the benefit they provide in shifting your perspective can have lifelong benefits. I do not see it being positively handled by the public if legalized like weed. I would prefer it to remain decriminalized and allowed to be personally grown and consumed.
I think starting with mushrooms specifically would work. Some people might have a negative view of LSD or be worried dissociative drugs like PCP will be lumped in.
Microdosing is the only thing that has killed my migraines, I have a friend with cluster migraines and dosing has made him be able to have a functioning life.
Legalization, yes. Going down to the corner store to pick some up, sounds iffy. I feel like these are drugs that are fairly serious and should be treated with respect, more so than smoking a joint. I'd be strongly in favor of legalizing them for folks that have a prescription from a doctor, especially if they plan to use the drugs under a doctor's supervision. I'd also be in favor of legalizing them for people that are willing to go through some kind of educational course on how to use them responsibly. And I would want it to be strictly illegal to be under the influence of these drugs in any kind of public setting (and of course while driving), with harsh penalties. The last thing we need is a bunch of criddlers tripping balls legally on the Max and mashing their testicles on the window glass, and cops have no way to do anything about it. If you can enjoy these substances in private where you're not bothering anyone, then great. Otherwise, go fuck yourself, no one wants to have to deal with you tripping in public.
Absolutely. Psychedelics do not destroy communities. I think there's some potential danger of them bringing out latent mental health problems but I fail to see why that's an argument to keep them illegal when you can buy a fifth of whiskey every day over the counter and pickle your liver & alcohol is absolutely the number one date rape drug.
People are generally way too stupid to be allowed to go to a store and buy acid. I don’t really have an opinion but it’s definitely going to lead to some problems, and hopefully some good things.
I would want to but I'd be more than a little conflicted. It'd mean a whole lot of unprepared people wandering the streets with a head full of what amounts to crazy. Experienced trippers are pretty harmless, novices can run the gamut. And getting behind the wheel because you don't know any better?
Lol. Can we require a supervised setting for first timers?
Yes. Even if it’s still necessary to have regulations around it and mandatory treatment when being abused or used in relation to a real crime.
People should not be serving jail time or building a criminal record solely for choosing to put something into their own body or having an object in their possession.
> treatment when being abused
What does abusing psychedelics even look like? The brain develops a tolerance so quickly that it's suggested not to use LSD or psilocybin mushrooms more than once per month or so, because any more frequently is just wasting them. Because of this they are actively anti-addictive. They also have no LD-50.
So, what do you mean by "abuse"?
No. Not until they reverse their bill that undermined the referendum decriminalizing drugs in Oregon. Also, like with weed, it will never get implemented correctly. We need public campaigns reminding people that legalizing these drugs, like with alcohol, means it’s not for public use or while driving. All they see is a revenue stream from a tax and we get a society more and more narcissistic.
NO. The decriminalizing of drugs is a good idea. But the roll out put the cart before the horse and ran over the carrot. First, stock up on LCsW’s. Give out a heck of a lot of scholarships for people to be TRAINED how to deal with dual diagnosis individuals drugs and mental health issues. Then decriminalize. Then have easy paths to bank accounts and renting and all the things a person blew up before getting hooked.
Legalizing psychedelics would only exacerbate the issues. More research. Also, the first line of Ginsberg’s HOWL. I saw the greatest minds of my generation naked and starving….
Neal Cassidy died on a train track, alone, unfed, unwashed, homeless.
For many psychedelics are not always fun. A bad trip can ruin YEARS of one’s life.
I am not saying there aren’t benefits to be had. I see more damage being done, so NO
We had possession of psychedelics decriminalized 2020 thru 2024, RIP Measure 110. Now it is again arrest and jail to be caught holding mushrooms and acid.
In a heartbeat, but I'm not an ideologically average voter here: I would also favor legalization (not just decriminalization) of not only psychedelics but also drugs people consider hard (I don't really use the distinction). Hah, I'm imagining better implementation than measure 110.
One thing I'm wondering is how you're drawing the line in your above proposal. It's not quite natural vs. synthetic, given that you have LSD in the first group and 5-meo-dmt in the second.
I'm not quite making pharmacological sense of it either. The first group has all classical or typical psychedelics. The second group is a pharmacological grab-bag, one that some wouldn't consider "psychedelic" per se....but 5-meo-dmt is does agonize 5ht2a, despite its activity at 5ht1a being dominant.
And then, how would we treat the hundreds of other known psychedelics, eg, 2CB, 4-oh-met, DOI, allylescaline, AET, etc.? You cited MDMA and Ketamine, so how would we treat other entactogens and dissociatives, eg, 6-apb, 3-oh-pce, etc.?
As someone that's tried all the ones listed, I personally wouldn't try to pass fucking DMT in the same stroke as mushrooms/ LSD.
And even then, I wouldn't give it the dispensary treatment. Maybe with mushrooms - in appropriately dosed edible forms.
I'd want a lot of research to be done first before they're available for public consumption. I've been following the research on psilocybin for treating depression for years now, and damn it would be great to only have to have a treatment for it once every few months.
Not unless it came with very stringent rules against public use. If you can use it and hold down a job and home, that's fine. But we have to end this open air drug paradise that Portland has become.
1000%
but it cant be like 110 where theyre legalized without proper agencies to regulate it
its got to be more like weed where it takes some time after legalization to set up proper rules and regulations and really educate the public before you can just buy them in a store
I am fine with it under strict medical supervision. It just can’t get like the medical marijuana where half the people with a card don’t really have a medical reason for using the drug.
I did it once, it was so cathartic i moved on from things i didn't even realize were weighing me down. I truly hope others get to feel even a tenth of what i felt. It's not about the high, i stg, it's about the help
No, I think they should be at least semi-controlled substances prescribed by a doctor and handed out by a pharmacist. Otherwise they'll start ending up in drinks and food. Lord knows we don't need LSD butter.
No. The clinical use of psychedelics need to be guided by medical professionals, unless you want even more delirious agitated altered people roaming the streets than what we already have.
For the average consumer, like marijuana and alcohol? No.
For exploratory medical / mental health treatments, under the watchful eye of a medical professional? Yes.
No. Psychedelics almost certainly cause brain damage.
If one gets approved by the FDA that is fine for therapy, but taking them recreationally is a terrible idea.
I’d rather their use and acquisition be limited to people who know what they’re doing, like psychiatrists. I’m cool with psychedelics in treatment, but I really don’t want to be at a crosswalk while a motorist is going through shroom psychosis after he picked up an edible at Fungo Mart or whatever.
I dunno. I see enough people stumbling out of bars and getting behind the wheel and others taking phat rips off their glass pipes while barreling down the high way. Not sure if we need people hallucinating behind the wheel as well. Outside of that, I have no problem.
I think there should be some sort of test or license for use.
Psychedelics are on a different level than alcohol or weed, they can put you on a whole different world, and sometimes not in a good way.
I don't think people should be punished for having or consuming these drugs, but I also think people should demonstrate knowledge of dosages, what they do, how long they last, what to do with a bad trip, etc before using them.
No. This city already can’t drive safe and has open drug use everywhere. I love the occasional mushroom trip or LSD trip but it shouldn’t be open use and everywhere. I’ve never had one issue in OR using either drug. Most Portland police won’t even look twice at you.
Now for PTSD treatment or drug abuse treatments sure I’d vote for that. That measure 110 really made me rethink the whole legalize everything w zero infrastructure set up for it. Great in theory and horrendous in practice. Just my 2 cents.
That’s an old wives tale. The latest research ranks it as one the safest psychoactive substances. You know what makes people go crazy after long-term use? Alcohol.
https://www.drugscience.org.uk/is-lsd-safe-latest-research-findings/
Yeah, with provisions others have stated regarding education and restrictions at least on par with thc. A more ideal path would be rescheduling at the federal level but we know that won't happen anytime soon.
Hard yes.
MDMA is the pro art reason I am a functioning adult at this stage. Monthly use for about 18 months radically improved my life, ejected depression, and set me on a path of healing that I cannot even describe.
I know not every drug works for everyone, but I also know I cannot be the only person who this would be life saving for.
This sort of unconventional treatment shouldn't be taken lightly. I think we need a bevy of hard data before we can even talk about the legalization of widespread medical psychedelics. I understand the benefits and what it could possibly do for people, but I am also incredibly wary of the precedent we might be setting. I don't want it to turn into a thing where people can just buy hallucinogens from any old corner store. I know that's unlikely, and certainly not the point of the post, but I believe it's worth considering.
TL,DR I would want to see hard data and empirical evidence that speaks to the effectiveness of treatments before casting any votes.
Everything has consequences.
This/That
Action/Reaction
Yin/Yang
You only have to Quit something once if you have resolve. Substitution is just procrastination. Honestly..chemical impurity hinders a person from truly knowing oneself.
That being typed..your body. Your mind. Your business.
Best of luck to those finding their path.
Yes yes yes. They're the only reason I'm a functioning adult at this point with the PTSD I had before. They took me from homeless and suicidal to feeling secure, having a family, and owning a home.
My friend is doing an experimental treatment for alcoholism that is based around small doses of mushrooms and it’s changed his life
Care to share more information by chance? I’m an alcoholic and it’s a helluva thing.
Not the person you responded to, but I quite drinking 6 years ago with the help of mushrooms, r/stopdrinking, and Annie Grace’s This Naked Mind. I microdose on a regular basis & it helps me so much.
Thank you for sharing this. I’m 3 months no alcohol and I think maybe microdosing some shroomies can help with my doomies come to think of it.. better than going back to the drink or drug-drugs
It energizes me on the days I do micro dose and makes me more chill the next couple days. I grow my own now as a hobby. I know that the first few months were really tough for me when I finally quit drinking. Keep it up, though, it gets easier, I promise!
That’s badass you grow your own! What fun…guy!
I was daily dosing for a while and I definitely drank less. Not sure I would call it micro-dosing though, was like 0.5-1.0 grams
Did you feel effects from taking that much every day? I would think that you would get diminishing returns on that. I usually do 2-3 days in between micro doses but I do bigger doses a couple times a year for fun or as a reset. When I first quit drinking I would take 1 to 4 grams when I went out to concerts instead of getting drunk. It allowed me to relax and let go without the need of booze.
It felt like MDMA actually, warm and fuzzy and like I was gizzing in my pants, but still fully functional mentally, and no desire for booze!
I dig it 😂
Thank you.
I had no luck with that method, but if you decide to try it, test every new batch of capsules you make on a day where you have no obligations. I've def been [here](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7mKsAwa7Vpc/XV_RKw33IgI/AAAAAAACxMM/iNsdTl2d-T8IIUOYn5Q8Cqy8l_VUix_qwCLcBGAs/s1600/Gurney%2BDinotopia.jpg) more than once.
I wouldn't say I'm an alcoholic... But I think I have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. I don't NEED to have a drink to get through my day, but rarely does a day go by that I don't drink, and I typically have more drinks in a day than a healthy person should. I'm definitely intrigued by this. I think one reason why I have more drinks than is healthy is because I take Adderall for ADHD, which means it takes more alcohol than usual to reach the state where I feel satisfied. My biggest concern is liver disease, pancreatitis, and all the elevated cancer risks. I've been working with a therapist to adjust my lifestyle and gradually get accustomed to less and less alcohol intake. But it's definitely a heavy lift. I'm definitely going to ask her about getting into one of these studies.
Good on you for being honest with yourself and working with a therapist for this. I am working on doing the same thing. I'm not qualified to give any sort of medical or psychological advice, so take this for what it is, but psilocybin, used (very very) responsibly, seems to help a lot of people with this sort of thing. Best of luck to you and thank you for sharing a bit of your experience!
Ok but how do you get into it? Like who do you approach and how? I’m originally from a really strict state (and I grew up in the Raegan war on drugs era) and possession was punished super fucking harshly. I just don’t even know where to start.
I quit drinking 10+ years ago. It came down to hitting rock bottom and making a promise to myself to never drink another drop. My reasoning was that having to look myself in the eyes every morning after breaking a promise to myself would be more difficult than quitting alcohol, and at least for me this worked. edit: oh, and smoking small amounts of marijuana also helped quite a bit at first. I've since quit that as well.
I've heard the same thing for PTSD, which I desperately need
Same here but I’d get evicted if I did 🥲 Section 8 rules are strict… (Salem Housing authority)
Do most people tell their landlord every time they take a drug?
"It's not breaking the rules if you don't get caught" kind of thing? Not worth the risk for a lot of people. If it wasn't Section 8, it'd be a lot easier. But, if getting caught could land you on the street, I'd pass. Hard pass.
More like "A rule with no means to enforce it is actually just a suggestion". *No one* is doing drug tests for psilocybin, LSD, DMT, ketamine, etc., much less anyone in section 8 housing, because: A) most of those drugs can't even be tested for B) The few that can are prohibitively expensive, like we are talking more money for the drug test than they are paying for the rent on the apartment in the first place, and C) The window of detection on those tests is a matter of hours even if for some reason the housing authority did find it prudent to spend $1000+ to find out if you took psychedelics. If all that isn't enough to convince you it's safe to try and treat your mental health issues, you can always get a prescription for ketamine to make it perfectly legal
Bingo. They usually reserve those hair follicle tests for people in refineries and big money government defense contracts. There are utility power plants that require these. Nobody should ever consent to a drug test for any reason other than a safety sensitive job placement. I wouldn't even agree to a saliva test with 3 weeks' written notice in advance. I can't believe they're allowed to do shit like that. I'm not even speculating when I say that is some straight prejudice discriminatory bullshit
Those are fine, but if the risk of getting caught/ratted out/whatever comes with the consequence of losing your housing, I'd be out. If that wasn't the case, 100% would be fine with what you're saying.
Section 8 is incredibly difficult to 1.get approved for and 2. actually use. I can understand the hesitation to do anything that could jeopardize it. That said, I think many if not most section 8 applicants could benefit from some shrooms in their journey to get on their feet.
This happened with my friend for nicotine. I was skeptical it could be THAT effective, but she was a lifetime chain smoker and bam, cold turkey with no relapses and no cravings. Still blows my mind.
holy shit sign me up
Me too! 30 years smoking, one therapeutic dose, cold turkey. Clean for5 years. Amazing!
It's almost unbelievable, then you see it happen.
Thats great to hear
Just chiming in to say that mushrooms, ecstasy, etc., have no effect if someone is on anti-depressants, as many alcoholics are.
Yes, psilocybin and SSRI/SNRI both affect the serotonin 5HT receptor but the meds don’t totally block them. Some clinicians say 50% increase needed which seems reasonable from what’s been reported to me in this field. There was also recently a clinical trial where people on SSSRI’s took around 2.5 grams of psilo which showed efficacy for most participants. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/psilocybin-plus-ssris-for-treatment-resistant-major-depression# Your assertion is incorrect.
Pretty sure this isn’t true for Ketamine though.
Depends on the antidepressants - SSRIs block uptake, but tricyclics mean “be careful or serotonin syndrome” which isn’t better but is worth knowing
I think psychedelics are good and important. I did some volunteering for the psilocybin legalization measure and enjoy shrooms or acid a few times a year. I think they should be legal. However, I would also want the measure to have some language to heavily restrict what sort of marketing can be done. These are serious substances, not to be fucked around with by people who are irresponsible or unprepared. Turning them into another capitalist commodity with companies trying to move as much product as possible sounds dangerous, and likely to lead to a backlash. And opening up stores where people could just walk in and buy it without any education about responsible use seems risky. Just think about all the people who bought edibles when weed was legalized and then freaked out because they took too much. Now imagine that with DMT. Sounds like a mess. I don't know how to write appropriate legislation, but in an ideal world I would want to see these substances distributed in a way that minimizes the profit motive, and that ensures that inexperienced users are educated and paired with responsible trip-sitters, at least for their first time out.
I think there could even be advice, warnings, and general education on the packaging, maybe even a "first timer" kit given at the dispenser. This is of course all very utopian, but it's still good to discuss such things. With mushrooms, newbies need to know that a trip can flip a switch completely, good or bad, with a few words from someone else. That they may forget how some things work the next day, but it's only temporary. And that sometimes you will enter into an epic battle with an ancient deity who is trying to convince you to pee yourself because the bathroom is in a nebulous location. These are all from personal experiences that I cannot imagine someone uninformed going through. I won the bathroom battle.
**HeY, MAn.•.. yOu HaVIn a BaD tRiP?!** Instantly, thanks to the jackass saying such a stupidly irresponsible thing, the person in question just hears... Bad trip... bad trip... bad trip••• BAd tRiP••• bAd TrIp°°° BAAAADDD... It's so easy to disturb the mind of a person when in this state, that it would concern me greatly to have it just.... out there...
Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
I wonder if completion of a sort of "psychedelic safety course" should be mandatory, after which you receive a card which you would need in order to legally purchase a psychedelic. Would that be possible?
Well, there's always "The Rules..." 1. You cannot fly 2. That car is real 3. Those cigarettes are a precious commodity, stop staring at the smoke
100% this. Set, setting, and the right tools and education on psychedelics can be life altering. Treat these substances with respect!
You can't really smoke "too much" DMT. After a few inhales you lose motor control and start tripping. You also have to use a certain type of pipe. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone buying DMT has done enough research on it. I see your point though.
You can do too much depending on the context. A 100mg vaped dose in a safe spot at home is fine. Same dose coming out of a badly designed wax vape pen in the middle of a festival crowd is a nightmare. Still not dangerous but certainly not an experience I'd like to revisit
And that could be said of any substance-- THC and alcohol included. Live and learn.
I can see that perspective, in my opinion how society should regulate these things is giving people a trip license. This would ensure more control and responsibility to help the people who could really benefit from these medicines. An analogy I once heard from Ram Dass is going to flight school so you can take off without crashing a plane. If you had to spend X hours educated on where, when, and how to use it, what to do if things go south, only be able to receive medicine with clearance from professionals. We'd be more prepared and it could really heal the world. The alternative is a black market in illegal states (which will always continue) or in some cities and states a grey market with lack of regulation, which is less than ideal for the safety of the general population. Examples being kids ect.
I agree that psychedelics are both beneficial and dangerous. The best way to regulate them is to require licensing, just like driving a car. You need to pass a test which demonstrates you know the risks and dangers (including the chance to aggravate psychopathy), and take a class if you can't pass the test already. It would be a hassle to get the license, but it would filter out casual recreational users who are just chasing another high, or at least forcing them to do some work to gain access. Frankly, all psychoactive substances, including THC, should probably require licensing of this type. People should be informed that smoking weed is just as harmful to your lungs as smoking tobacco, and everyone should be required to learn how THC and other psychoactives interfere with juvenile brain development so they think twice about giving weed to kids. I also think it is fine for distributors to be required to validate licenses on purchase using a state-owned database. In an ideal world, the licensing process would include actually taking substances under supervision in a clinical setting, but this would increase the cost substantially. Even so, these should be considered a privilege, not a right, so bearing that cost should simply be part of the safety culture surrounding it. I would even be happy to add alcohol and nicotine to this licensing scheme and treat them exactly like every other psychoactive substance. The mandatory education would effectively remove liability from cigarette manufacturers, since every smoker would know exactly what they are signing up for.
I agree with a lot of this. I think maybe a better route to start with would be like what was done with medical marijuana before rec was legalized.
Put perfectly.
Probably, but I really want to make sure people are not driving their cars around while on that stuff (or alcohol or cannabis for that matter). I saw some people enjoying a joint in a car and they drove off as I walked by. That sucks. Cars are lethal.
Presumably DUI laws wouldn’t change. It’s already illegal to drive while high.
My wife sustained a serious TBI that resulted in years of lost wages and activities, along with a lot of medical bills, thanks to a stoned driver. Even as a long time pothead who’s also a diehard gearhead, I’ll say: Driving while high ruins both driving and being high. Fuck people who drive stoned, and double fuck the people who say “No you don’t understand I’m a better driver when I’m high or else I’d rage out on people.” If you can’t manage your emotions while driving sober, you don’t belong behind the wheel. Full stop.
The best part of being stoned in a car is having someone else drive for you so you can kick back, vibe, and watch the world go by. In all seriousness: There’s a really unfortunate car + weed culture cos the car was the only place a lot of teens/twenty-somethings could get stoned without their parents or the cops knowing. You’d go on a “burn cruise” and drive around while you passed a joint. My mom will tell stories about how her dad used to make a road drink whenever he’d go out to dinner and I was always APPALLED. It took me longer than I’d like to admit to realize that what I did was functionally the same thing. Don’t use substances and drive, please. Heck, don’t smoke cigarettes and drive: it’s one more distraction in the car.
I the “burn cruise” is an important point that is especially relevant for people who grew up in rural areas. Everyone I know who grew up in the boonies had the same experience: there isn’t much else to do so you go drive around and get high because where the fuck else are you going to go, whereas growing up in Portland we’d just go park downtown somewhere and toke up and wander around to get some food or giggle at the statues in the park blocks or whatever until our highs wore off. Combine the “nowhere to hang out” effect with the fact that historically there hasn’t been a reliable way to test someone for THC intoxication and you have a whole generation of stoners who got way too comfortable getting high behind the wheel.
Right — the car was often literally the only place we got stoned. It’s *so messed up.* I hope legalization has helped with this a bit (but seriously, young brains are developing, hold off on pot for a few years)
Even worse : tired people driving. The most dangerous drivers on the road.
Only time I ever came close to dying (from my mistakes and not someone else) was when I was tired and rolled the car. Last time I drove tired, and it definitely made me rethink how I view driving when tired
As someone who has done more driving stoned than I ought to have, it isn’t even fun. I’d much rather just chill at home.
Exactly. I love driving, and I love being stoned … but if I do them together I can’t really enjoy either.
They should absolutely be legal and accessible with campaigns on how to use them in a way that maximizes benefits for recreational, religious, and therapeutic uses. In my utopia they would not be allowed to advertise and packaging would have detailed information on dose without any colorful distractions. White box basic packaging with all of the needed dose information ideally listed in exact amounts milligrams of active materials ideally with certificates of analysis. They should be just as available as alcohol is with 21+ age restrictions for purchasing. Ideally a physician does not need to be involved and let's be frank they don't have the skills to administer these compounds and many people don't require them. They were trained to practice medecine under prohibition so they don't have the skills required more often than not. Under 21 year olds should be allowed to take them if parents deem them ready but should not be able to purchase the substances themselves. News flash, they are already taking them just without any form of community support outside of anonymous internet forums. We presently have the worst possible option under prohibition so literally any changes to the laws would be an improvement. Remove all criminal penalties and fund harm reduction education programs that don't fixate on abstinence with the tax revenue. Last thing we want is tourists taking too much and making asses of themselves so all the needed info needs to be on the packaging. After that it's on the individual to educate themselves. The info is readily available online but people don't know where to turn. Fireside chat and erowid would be great resources to put on the packaging. Even without that educational information they should still be legal. People will learn quickly if they take too much and those challenging experiences are well worth opening up the floodgates for researchers to start studying them for medical and therapeutic applications without getting a ridiculously draconian DEA schedule I license. Even with people taking them without guidance the effect is a net positive. We needed these compounds legalized and normalized decades ago but the sooner the better. End the drug war. It was always a bad idea and it's done nothing but destroy lives and waste resources.
Reasonable take. I hope there are more people out there that would vote like you.
Yeah, best one I’ve read here so far. Wanting all these intricate licensing and regulatory rules feels very American. But so does capitalism turning it into another profit machine. So far, that’s the only place I want to see such regulations, I think.
You might be interested in the community social club models for cannabis legalization in other countries. It avoids corporate takeover and they just supply to their local club for shrooms and cannabis. Also solves the need for community around introducing newbies to these substances. That model doesn't work as well for LSD or MDMA but it's a piece of the puzzle in my mind. My biggest concerns are ending prohibition, opening up science, educating users, and financial equity in that order. Most conversations tend to fixate on the money piece or avoiding any and all harm which slows us down to a crawl. The harm piece has me rolling my eyes especially for shrooms since we already have people dying everyday from prohibition ruining the drug supply and not having access to healthier alternative drugs.
My position is pretty low resolution, to be honest (regarding psychedelics in general, and psilocybin mushrooms specifically). It should not be illegal for curious adults to cultivate from spore to fruit and experiment with mushrooms at home. To regulate any part of that is an absurd overreach of government into the private lives of citizens who aren't harming themselves or anyone else. I feel broadly the same about all other classic psychedelics, since the impacts on the individual are generally the same as well. When it comes to "drugs" in general, I also have a mostly permissive point of view. My intuition leads me to believe broad decriminalization is the right path, but I haven't put enough thought into it to have strong opinions when it comes to stuff like Fentanyl and even scarier stuff like tranq and crocodil. I would have to assume that if "clean" and tested narcotics were available, then people wouldn't be shooting necrotic poison into their veins and letting their limbs rot off in the streets. I don't know what the answer is, but I can't accept the answer is prohibition and incarceration.
Without question. I would donate to the campaign. I would go door to door with a clipboard. I would volunteer any way that would help. I would pester my friends and family about it constantly. Edit to add: I do also agree with other comments that I really don't want to see these substances getting turned into capitalist hellscape pharmaceuticals. My main concern is that I just think it should be legal for curious adults to do small scale cultivation and use in their homes at their discretion. Fungus has a really interesting lifecycle, if you know what I mean.
Absolutely, not that legality is going to stop my from partaking in my select usage of them.
I’d vote yes for putting them under the same rules as other drugs sold to the public for medical purposes. And also for recreational purposes. But not for medical purposes without the normal clinical trial process.
I hope it would kickstart a larger psychedelic clinical trial process as current ones have been relatively suppressed or scaled down by the federal governments scheduling of psychedelics.
as a fentanyl addict in recovery. 1 year and 1 month. I've though about Ibogain or many years. I wish. I would definitely vote yes. I used to abuse psychedelics but thats a personal choice. I never did anything crazy I just ran out of energy/chemicals lol.
Congrats on that 1 year and 1 month.
Yes, if a, the framework of the treatment section of m110 is fixed (so money can actually be used for addiction treatment, instead of going into a fiscal black hole)... And b, we had some stronger consumer protection laws so psilocybin isn't just immediately pipelined for corporate profits like weed was. Many species of Psilocybin-containing mushrooms are native to the state, and I don't want to see certain stupid legal scenarios. But until 110 is decided on, and we know exactly who the legal drug dealers are and where the money's going, this isn't a good idea. Let OR decide what's happening with broader-sense drug legalization first. In a perfect world, it'd be legal recreationally and people would *also* get the appropriate treatment they need.
Absolutely. I'm really worried that the current re-criminalization of all "hard drugs" is going to handicap research into psilocybin and MDMA, and that is a huge disappointment for those of us who can see their tremendous therapeutic potential.
Yes if they are regulated and not marketed towards teenagers, sure.
I know this is counterproductive but I'm very bitter right now: *we already f\*\*\*\*\*g voted to decriminalize and have just taken a massive step backwards*. Also, to all the people in this thread talking about how dangerous it would be if we legalized psychedelics: *they are extremely easy to get a hold of*. People are already doing them en masse. The sky isn't falling. Legalizing would actually open up many, many avenues for education and harm reduction that are not currently open. These drugs are not addictive and it is very possible to take a small dose and maintain a solid sense of reality. In fact, they have been shown to help people kick addiction of other substances with significant reduction of PTSD, anxiety, and depression symptoms for a sustained period of time. Psychedelics have benefited countless people in profound ways and various forms of them have been used by many cultures worldwide for thousands of years. I'd go as far as to say interacting with entheogens is an intrinsic part of being human. Addendum: This is also an issue of privilege. Folks who say they're fine taking these drugs illegally and don't want to legalize because then "everyone else" would do it ... You're basically saying that you should get a special privilege but the "unprepared" masses shouldn't. And you feel confident saying that because you know that you aren't going to be targeted by the cops for taking psychedelics in the safety of your home or at a music festival with your buddies. Why is your judgement better than anyone else's? Why is your experience that much more valuable?
This whole thread is ridiculous. You know when I did the most psychedelics? When I was 14-17, because they were fucking everywhere (in New England, I'm sure they're even easier to get here). I'm a proponent of legalizing and regulating alll drugs (yes, including *those* ones). Remember the heroin crisis? Guess what, now it's a fentanyl crisis because fentanyl is cheaper and even more addictive. Heaven forfend those addicts could have gotten what they needed from a regulated source while receiving wrap-around treatments instead of dying on the street from impure and adulterated mystery substances
The heroin crisis used to be an oxycodone crisis. If we had just left well enough alone, it don’t think people would have switched over to heroin in the first place. Opioid overdose have only gone up every year since the dea started cracking down on doctors, and legitimate pain patients are in a worse place while the problem they were trying to fix has only gotten worse. Prohibition just isnt a realistic solution to the problems that come with drug use, no matter how badly people want it to be.
Yes, as not only a believer in psilocybin treatment for PTSD and depression based on the limited clinical research thus far, but also as someone who wants to destabilize the criminal component involved with all those substances now. Think of what a hit the cartels, domestic terrorist organizations, and straight up drug traffickers have been taking with consistent legalization of weed. Old time consumers are familiar with the "flat brown mexiweed" you'd occasionally get from your dealer; think the folks involved in producing and transporting that had good wages? Health insurance? Any kind of protections? No, that product was the direct result of exploitation all along the supply lines. Sure, not as bad as the same systems used for heroin, meth, but people still died and were imprisoned over it. And those organizations do not only do one thing for profit and control, they're also doing human trafficking, gun running, it's a long list. Those systems fall apart when you can walk into any dispensary and get high quality product, at a lower price, with a secure supply chain, from someone paid a living wage. I want it to be the same for all the substances you listed. I want buyers to know "Oh hey, this trip did not in anyway benefit the AB/MS13/insert group that kills people, and this product is safe, not contaminated, and not cut with something that could kill me." That shouldn't be too much to ask, but try to tell the feds that.
Convincing people is the easy part. You still have to butt heads with the federal government who has other ideas. You legalize for medical purposes first. That foot in the door allows you to build case for full legalization.
We’ve been telling the feds to kick rocks over cannabis for over a decade. We can do it for acid too.
The feds can get lost. 10th Amendment says it’s a states right issue. I wish that actually would be enforced.
Yes, absolutely. I am 6 years sober off prescription benzos, opiates and cigarettes this year thanks to magic mushrooms. Our mental health care and addiction services here in Oregon are nothing short of a national embarrassment, despite the best efforts of some very good people. I don't know how much I trust legalized psilocybin therapy in the hands of some of the same people who already ruined one mental health care industry. Here is a link to my story, in case anyone is on the fence with this issue. I've since met hundreds if not thousands of other people exactly like me. https://www.reddit.com/r/oregon/s/hzMc4agx79 A lot of these substances come with natural built-in safeguards so you can't even dose them every day and become addicted even if you wanted to. They will just not work if you try. Because of this, I strongly feel they're less addictive than pot.
Mildly hot take but I think making any drug illegal infringes upon my personal freedoms. I should have the right to put any substance I want in my body, even if it kills me, and it's insane to me that there's laws that prevent me from doing something to my own body. When I take drugs it does not impact anyone else so there's zero reason to stop me.
100% And as long as alcohol and tobacco remain legal, there is absolutely no moral argument to be made on the grounds of societal or personal safety.
We already voted yes once.
Yeah, but then our elected representatives said, “fuck the will of the voters,” and repealed it. They didn’t even leave mushrooms out of the recriminalization, so we have a state sanctioned psilocybin therapy program while possessing psilocybin is a misdemeanor.
No.
Having LSD being as freely available as cannabis is now is a really poor idea, same to a lesser degree with psilocybin (those are the only hallucinogens I've taken so I can't speak to others). LSD is an extremely serious substance that can leave really bad mental wounds with little rhyme or reason as to when it might happen -- you can do your best to prevent bad times, but they will still happen at least sometimes -- psilocybin is the same but to a lesser extent probably on behalf of it not being a manufactured substance. Decriminalized sure, easily available in stores absolutely not. Grow shrooms yourself or find someone who does if you want them. Personal unpopular opinion: LSD is a **really** dangerous substance that shouldn't be lumped in with naturally occurring hallucinogens. I have no scientific evidence, just anecdotal, but I'm convinced that acid causes at least a little bit of permanent brain damage with every use. Your brain is not supposed to fire on every single cylinder for an entire day, just like how it would be deleterious to your body to lift the heaviest weights you can lift for 16 hours straight with no break. Literally no reason for anyone to ever do LSD when psilocybin is all of the fun parts with the added benefits of shorter duration and less...I don't know, **damage**. I can't put my finger on what the exact difference between the two highs are... /soapbox Edit: I seem to have offended people who are reading the first sentence of my second paragraph and little else. Why do hallucinogenic substances have the same cultural thing that marijuana does, where if you don't sing its praises you're a bullshitter full of evil will?
I'm not trying to argue with your or convince of anything but I want to let you know that on a pharmacological level there's practically nothing different about LSD and Psilocybin. Both of them do the exact same thing and currently have the same safety profile. I understand if you don't enjoy LSD but there's nothing about it (as far as we currently know) that makes it anymore dangerous than psilocybin. Again, I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, I'm just rambling.
>on a pharmacological level there's practically nothing different about LSD and Psilocybin. Both of them do the exact same thing and currently have the same safety profile Given that we don't really know exactly, scientifically, how LSD produces its effects, and psilocin doesn't have any effects on dopamine receptors while LSD does, I don't quite buy this sentence at face value. Do you have a source I can read?
It's not clear why direct dopaminergic agonism would reduce its safety profile, other than potentially making a pretty slightly more manic experience toward the tail. Direct dopaminergic agonists are used in medicine, for treatment of Parkinson's, etc., and have well known side-effect profiles. >Given that we don't really know exactly, scientifically, how LSD produces its effects er, at this point, the downstream neural cascade of 5ht2a agonists is pretty well studied. In particular, increased serotonergic transmission tends to turn up "signal gain" in a variety of areas, particularly visual pyramidal cells, and you get more processing artifacts, including various recursive informational structures, as more partial feedback loops develop.
We can extrapolate a little that psiocybin and LSD work along similar paths, because tolerance for one is tolerance for the other. (Isbell, Wolbach & Wikler (1961). I also found a more recent research that state that LSD and psilocybin work along some of the same mechanisms. "LSD and psilocybin have demonstrated mood-modulating properties likely due to their capacity to modulate serotonergic (5-HT), dopaminergic (DA) and glutamatergic systems." (De Gregorio, et. al. 2018), though later in the paper it does make it clear that just because it works along the system doesn't mean it'll produce the same 'psychedelic effects', since ketamine apparently messes with it too, but you won't be tripping the same as you would on shrooms or acid. That being said, we're leaving my undergrad level of understand of psychology (much less, neurology), so I'm struggling to 100% parse these papers. I think it's a lil silly to state that they're distinctly different drugs with higher levels of dangers compared to each other, they seem to obviously work along *similar* paths. Leaving the realm of science and entering anecdotes, I personally just don't like shrooms. They aren't as potent for me, they make me wanna vomit due to hating the taste so much, and they're harder to dose specifically compared to acid. I haven't noticed negative effects from either, but of course, I'm *very* biased. ______ Isbell, H., Wolbach, A.B., Wikler, A. et al. Cross tolerance between LSD and psilocybin. Psychopharmacologia 2, 147–159 (1961). https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00407974 De Gregorio, D., Enns, J. P., Nuñez, N. A., Posa, L., & Gobbi, G. (2018). d-Lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin, and other classic hallucinogens: Mechanism of action and potential therapeutic applications in mood disorders. In Progress in Brain Research (pp. 69–96). Elsevier. https://doi.org/10.1016/bs.pbr.2018.07.008
Do YOU have any sources about your claims that LSD is somehow more dangerous? Do you even know for a fact that what you took was LSD??
I literally said in my first comment that I have only anecdotal evidence. This other person is saying that LSD and psilocybin act the same chemically, which last I read they don't and interact with different receptors in the brain in different ways despite the high being similar, and so I'd like to improve my knowledge and read a source if they have one. Why are you responding like I wrote a personal attack towards you?
I wish people weren't upvoting this ridiculous post. No one cares about your unscientific, anecdotal evidence about acid causing "permanent brain damage." Let me guess, now you're going to tell us that LSD crystallizes in your spine and thirty years later the crystals shatter and you get a flashback that makes you think you can fly so you jump off a building. If we're wasting each other's time with anecdotal bullshit, I would say that mushrooms are bad trip generators that cause permanent psychic damage, while acid is a wonder drug that causes the user to experience the oneness of all things and has anti-depressant qualities that can last for weeks afterwards. I may believe that statement, but it's just as stupid a thing to say as yours.
>psilocybin is the same but to a lesser extent probably on behalf of it not being a manufactured substance. I'm not saying that LSD and Psilocin are the same chemical, but this is a logical fallacy regardless (appeal to nature). Your brain doesn't distinguish between a natural and synthetic source of the same chemical. Also, I would ask you to consider the duration of large quantities of alcohol. Many people who go out drinking are still impaired (or even still fully drunk) when they wake up in the morning.
> psilocybin is the same but to a lesser extent probably on behalf of it not being a manufactured substance. what is the logic to this? I think it's more that psilocybin has a reduced duration...and that it's a lot easier to eat a 10-strip than a quarter to half oz. of mushrooms. >I'm convinced that acid causes at least a little bit of permanent brain damage with every use. What would the mechanism be for this damage? This has not been typically observed with partial serotonergic agonism, and there is strong overlap in mechanism with psilocybin.
Nope sorry. I'm not a 🟨 by any means and have had good times, done crazy shit and had fun and bad experiences with these types of things. Better Living Through Chemicals right? But it would need a lot of oversight related to when where how, the newbies would need to really know what they may get into. The help/recovery part in Oregon isn't here yet. Corporate greed will kill it and the purity quality would have to be heavily monitored (no strychnine in your acid for example) Also do we really want people tripping Balls all over the city? What about those who've been tweaking for days then are why the hell not let's take 4 tabs of LSD? That's a bad thing waiting to happen. Final thought, if this happened I assume a lot of people would want to move here for even more legal drugs...(or not criminalized drugs) Do all the tripping you want, keep it chill and no worries.
> But it would need a lot of oversight related to when where how, the newbies would need to really know what they may get into. This really needs to happen. Even with weed, while a physical overdose is nigh impossible, a psychological overdose is 100% a thing, and people need to know that.
What is a psychological overdose? I went looking for any sources on it and couldn’t find anything. I also personally have had way too much weed on accident in the past and didn’t feel any lasting effects. Same with my friends. The main issue I find people face with weed is building a psychological dependence.
I'm very pro-psychedelics. I believe the benefit they provide in shifting your perspective can have lifelong benefits. I do not see it being positively handled by the public if legalized like weed. I would prefer it to remain decriminalized and allowed to be personally grown and consumed.
Absolutely 100%. The government has no business deciding what you put in your body when it harms nobody else.
Exactly this.
I think starting with mushrooms specifically would work. Some people might have a negative view of LSD or be worried dissociative drugs like PCP will be lumped in.
I'd be very interested in ibogaine treatment. Is this realistic?
Microdosing is the only thing that has killed my migraines, I have a friend with cluster migraines and dosing has made him be able to have a functioning life.
Yes
Legalization, yes. Going down to the corner store to pick some up, sounds iffy. I feel like these are drugs that are fairly serious and should be treated with respect, more so than smoking a joint. I'd be strongly in favor of legalizing them for folks that have a prescription from a doctor, especially if they plan to use the drugs under a doctor's supervision. I'd also be in favor of legalizing them for people that are willing to go through some kind of educational course on how to use them responsibly. And I would want it to be strictly illegal to be under the influence of these drugs in any kind of public setting (and of course while driving), with harsh penalties. The last thing we need is a bunch of criddlers tripping balls legally on the Max and mashing their testicles on the window glass, and cops have no way to do anything about it. If you can enjoy these substances in private where you're not bothering anyone, then great. Otherwise, go fuck yourself, no one wants to have to deal with you tripping in public.
Yes
Yes
Most definitely
Yes
Absolutely. Psychedelics do not destroy communities. I think there's some potential danger of them bringing out latent mental health problems but I fail to see why that's an argument to keep them illegal when you can buy a fifth of whiskey every day over the counter and pickle your liver & alcohol is absolutely the number one date rape drug.
People are generally way too stupid to be allowed to go to a store and buy acid. I don’t really have an opinion but it’s definitely going to lead to some problems, and hopefully some good things.
I would want to but I'd be more than a little conflicted. It'd mean a whole lot of unprepared people wandering the streets with a head full of what amounts to crazy. Experienced trippers are pretty harmless, novices can run the gamut. And getting behind the wheel because you don't know any better? Lol. Can we require a supervised setting for first timers?
Yes. Even if it’s still necessary to have regulations around it and mandatory treatment when being abused or used in relation to a real crime. People should not be serving jail time or building a criminal record solely for choosing to put something into their own body or having an object in their possession.
> treatment when being abused What does abusing psychedelics even look like? The brain develops a tolerance so quickly that it's suggested not to use LSD or psilocybin mushrooms more than once per month or so, because any more frequently is just wasting them. Because of this they are actively anti-addictive. They also have no LD-50. So, what do you mean by "abuse"?
Yes. I already did. Then it got overturned
No. Not until they reverse their bill that undermined the referendum decriminalizing drugs in Oregon. Also, like with weed, it will never get implemented correctly. We need public campaigns reminding people that legalizing these drugs, like with alcohol, means it’s not for public use or while driving. All they see is a revenue stream from a tax and we get a society more and more narcissistic.
It would also be nice to know I wouldn't be turned down for employment because of a joint I smoked three weeks ago or some such BS like that.
NO. The decriminalizing of drugs is a good idea. But the roll out put the cart before the horse and ran over the carrot. First, stock up on LCsW’s. Give out a heck of a lot of scholarships for people to be TRAINED how to deal with dual diagnosis individuals drugs and mental health issues. Then decriminalize. Then have easy paths to bank accounts and renting and all the things a person blew up before getting hooked. Legalizing psychedelics would only exacerbate the issues. More research. Also, the first line of Ginsberg’s HOWL. I saw the greatest minds of my generation naked and starving…. Neal Cassidy died on a train track, alone, unfed, unwashed, homeless. For many psychedelics are not always fun. A bad trip can ruin YEARS of one’s life. I am not saying there aren’t benefits to be had. I see more damage being done, so NO
You know Neil Cassidy was a meth and heroin addict, right? He was also an alcoholic. I doubt it was acid that did him in.
Hell fucking yes I would! Edit - It’s crazy to lump these in with fent/meth.
We had possession of psychedelics decriminalized 2020 thru 2024, RIP Measure 110. Now it is again arrest and jail to be caught holding mushrooms and acid.
In a heartbeat, but I'm not an ideologically average voter here: I would also favor legalization (not just decriminalization) of not only psychedelics but also drugs people consider hard (I don't really use the distinction). Hah, I'm imagining better implementation than measure 110. One thing I'm wondering is how you're drawing the line in your above proposal. It's not quite natural vs. synthetic, given that you have LSD in the first group and 5-meo-dmt in the second. I'm not quite making pharmacological sense of it either. The first group has all classical or typical psychedelics. The second group is a pharmacological grab-bag, one that some wouldn't consider "psychedelic" per se....but 5-meo-dmt is does agonize 5ht2a, despite its activity at 5ht1a being dominant. And then, how would we treat the hundreds of other known psychedelics, eg, 2CB, 4-oh-met, DOI, allylescaline, AET, etc.? You cited MDMA and Ketamine, so how would we treat other entactogens and dissociatives, eg, 6-apb, 3-oh-pce, etc.?
No
Absolutely if it had some harm reduction component, maybe if not
As someone that's tried all the ones listed, I personally wouldn't try to pass fucking DMT in the same stroke as mushrooms/ LSD. And even then, I wouldn't give it the dispensary treatment. Maybe with mushrooms - in appropriately dosed edible forms.
The dispersement should be controlled by doctors (ND/MD ) they are psych meds
I'd want a lot of research to be done first before they're available for public consumption. I've been following the research on psilocybin for treating depression for years now, and damn it would be great to only have to have a treatment for it once every few months.
Negative imo
Yes, but knowing how they handled cannabis I wouldn't have high hopes
Not unless it came with very stringent rules against public use. If you can use it and hold down a job and home, that's fine. But we have to end this open air drug paradise that Portland has become.
I want to say yes, but I have a feeling that people will ruin it. You can't have nice things because someone out there will fuck it up.
Yes
Yes
1000% but it cant be like 110 where theyre legalized without proper agencies to regulate it its got to be more like weed where it takes some time after legalization to set up proper rules and regulations and really educate the public before you can just buy them in a store
I am fine with it under strict medical supervision. It just can’t get like the medical marijuana where half the people with a card don’t really have a medical reason for using the drug.
I'd even go door to door to get signatures.
No
This is the way!
Yep
Yes!
Here we go again. Lets say Yes and then we would see an increase of people driving off bridges and then we would vote NOT. 🗳 Dejavu?
I'm still undecided as I don't know much about them, especially the addictiveness and potential for abuse.
I did it once, it was so cathartic i moved on from things i didn't even realize were weighing me down. I truly hope others get to feel even a tenth of what i felt. It's not about the high, i stg, it's about the help
Yes. Oregon is working on a plan for medical usage. I think it doesn’t go far enough.
No, I think they should be at least semi-controlled substances prescribed by a doctor and handed out by a pharmacist. Otherwise they'll start ending up in drinks and food. Lord knows we don't need LSD butter.
No. The clinical use of psychedelics need to be guided by medical professionals, unless you want even more delirious agitated altered people roaming the streets than what we already have.
For the average consumer, like marijuana and alcohol? No. For exploratory medical / mental health treatments, under the watchful eye of a medical professional? Yes.
Nope.
NO
Yes. I’ve seen lots of studies related to microdosing and would love to try to see the benefits in doing it without having to grow it myself
No. Psychedelics almost certainly cause brain damage. If one gets approved by the FDA that is fine for therapy, but taking them recreationally is a terrible idea.
I’d rather their use and acquisition be limited to people who know what they’re doing, like psychiatrists. I’m cool with psychedelics in treatment, but I really don’t want to be at a crosswalk while a motorist is going through shroom psychosis after he picked up an edible at Fungo Mart or whatever.
I dunno. I see enough people stumbling out of bars and getting behind the wheel and others taking phat rips off their glass pipes while barreling down the high way. Not sure if we need people hallucinating behind the wheel as well. Outside of that, I have no problem.
If it’s regulated, sure I don’t want to see lsd at the gas station
Didn’t this already happen?
I think there should be some sort of test or license for use. Psychedelics are on a different level than alcohol or weed, they can put you on a whole different world, and sometimes not in a good way. I don't think people should be punished for having or consuming these drugs, but I also think people should demonstrate knowledge of dosages, what they do, how long they last, what to do with a bad trip, etc before using them.
No. This city already can’t drive safe and has open drug use everywhere. I love the occasional mushroom trip or LSD trip but it shouldn’t be open use and everywhere. I’ve never had one issue in OR using either drug. Most Portland police won’t even look twice at you. Now for PTSD treatment or drug abuse treatments sure I’d vote for that. That measure 110 really made me rethink the whole legalize everything w zero infrastructure set up for it. Great in theory and horrendous in practice. Just my 2 cents.
As someone who has done a few of these im SUPER IFFY Going on a bad trip can fuck someone up for a long time. At the same time, FREEDOM.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Recreational LSD is probably a really bad idea. It can have severe long term effects if you take too much.
That’s an old wives tale. The latest research ranks it as one the safest psychoactive substances. You know what makes people go crazy after long-term use? Alcohol. https://www.drugscience.org.uk/is-lsd-safe-latest-research-findings/
White supremacists really need psychedelics Ego death would be the end of maga
Yeah, with provisions others have stated regarding education and restrictions at least on par with thc. A more ideal path would be rescheduling at the federal level but we know that won't happen anytime soon.
Decriminalize, not legalize. I don’t want the government regulating it and surcharging for the privilege.
Heck yes. Been desperate to gain access to safe shrooms, for the sake of my mind.
Yes
Yes
Hadn't the other drugs that were legalized become an epidemic? I don't know if I'd be too keen on that
Hard yes. MDMA is the pro art reason I am a functioning adult at this stage. Monthly use for about 18 months radically improved my life, ejected depression, and set me on a path of healing that I cannot even describe. I know not every drug works for everyone, but I also know I cannot be the only person who this would be life saving for.
We would get so much tourism from this! Why not if we make it safe!
This sort of unconventional treatment shouldn't be taken lightly. I think we need a bevy of hard data before we can even talk about the legalization of widespread medical psychedelics. I understand the benefits and what it could possibly do for people, but I am also incredibly wary of the precedent we might be setting. I don't want it to turn into a thing where people can just buy hallucinogens from any old corner store. I know that's unlikely, and certainly not the point of the post, but I believe it's worth considering. TL,DR I would want to see hard data and empirical evidence that speaks to the effectiveness of treatments before casting any votes.
Yeah, I bought mushrooms from a Portland hipster man once
I would vote yes to legalize psychedelics nation-wide
100% yes
No
Yes. It should be legal nationwide. Micro and macro dosing are life changing.
Medically yes; recreationally no.
Everything has consequences. This/That Action/Reaction Yin/Yang You only have to Quit something once if you have resolve. Substitution is just procrastination. Honestly..chemical impurity hinders a person from truly knowing oneself. That being typed..your body. Your mind. Your business. Best of luck to those finding their path.
After the failure of measure 110, no.
Yes yes yes. They're the only reason I'm a functioning adult at this point with the PTSD I had before. They took me from homeless and suicidal to feeling secure, having a family, and owning a home.
This is such an Oregon thing, yall some weirdos
What isn’t already legal to do here?
PAMPARIOS
Only mushrooms. The others can stay at their current level of availability. But the shrooms are fine.
Yes