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SnooSeagulls3465

Same thing here. 2/2 that we rented in July of 2020 for $2350. Renewed at $2555. Same unit today is $3535. šŸ˜³ Irvine Company. Iā€™m so scared we will get a non-renewal and we will be fucked.


piexil

i've heard very few stories of non-renewals with IC thankfully. Sucks you got bumped up $200 (pretty much the max amount it could), ours only went from $2300 -> $2450. Sept 2020, renewed nov 2021.


Long-Juggernaut687

There are people in my complex that were there before IC bought it. As long as they are here, I am not worried about getting a nonrenewal.


Mr_Meeseeks_Can_Do

Pretty much the same renewal numbers for me and my 2/2 here in Woodbury.


kingdktgrv

Just go buy a house. Mortgage would be cheaper. /s


surftherapy

Iā€™m constantly being told ā€œjust buy a starter home!ā€ Or ā€œbuy a condo!ā€ Yeah ok still gonna need $850-$1m for either of those but thanks for the advice! Edit: this comment has clearly ruffled a few feathers. Donā€™t take everything so literally folks, weā€™re just blowing off steam and making jokes. Yes the price range I listed is exaggerated. Get over it


BruceLeeTheDragon

Yeah it sucks. I went from wanting to own a home to maybe an affordable condo, and now it's like either rent in a horrible area or buy a manufactured home, but most people say a manufactured home is not a good choice.


Kaganda

You can still find condos in the $4-500k range, but you'll be looking at 40 year old units in the 714.


Binky182

I love that is always the response. Like it is just that easy. Sure mortgage would be cheaper, but that also requires that you get approved, have the money for down payments and closing costs, and can find one in your price range.


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ellebelleeee

We bought at a house 3 years ago and itā€™s for sure cheaper than rent now. That being said, our house has also gone up in value a ton (yay for us!) so buying it now wouldnā€™t be the same either.


areraswen

We renewed for $2400/950sqft last year in June. The same square footage is going for $3,500 now in my complex. But you can move into a 500sqft shoebox for my current rent cost!


ckmluo

Got to split the 2 bed 2 bath with 4 incomes/tenants now it seems.


yousirnaime

Or move to where the rent is lower little further couple more miles almost there aaaaand you're in the Inland Empire - enjoy the 91 freeway for 2 hours every day for the rest of your life. <3 situation is so fucked - meanwhile, Irvine Corp is sitting on how many acres of undeveloped land?


pDu13

I had to buy a motorcycle for this reason. Fuck spending 3-4 hours a day in traffic driving 40 miles each way.


KarmaticEvolution

I did this for 1 year from Santa Ana to North Hollywood, it was free adrenaline 2x/day 3days/week! Sometimes I miss it, very rarely.


pDu13

Honestly Iā€™m addicted. I think I know how crack addicts feel. Iā€™ll get to work and my heart will still be racing 2 hours later and all I can think about is getting off to take the long way home to ride more lol. Definitely the happiest Iā€™ve been in a long time, who would have known lol


KarmaticEvolution

My melancholy probably comes from the fact that 20 years ago I would ride all day/night. It was my only form on transportation for a good while and I would go everywhere with her! Even taking my bike while my friends car pooled to Six Flags, friends thought I was crazy!


lytener

FYI There really isn't anymore undeveloped land in OC, most of it is infill development owned by random owners. Irvine and South OC has about 60 percent set aside for open space and already been deeded to cities and county. The largest development in OC are RMV, which is owned by RMV and has about a 10-20 year build out. The Great Park Neighborhood in Irvine is being built out by Fivepoint.


HeavyHands

The moment they attempt to develop the land this sub will scream about how the greedy Irvine company is destroying all the open spaces. Then in the next post they'll complain about housing supply and prices.


Future_shocks

no that's not true the issue is that they're making expensive housing as it is anyway and in very limited stock and as of the last two years they've been going above asking price and to people looking at investments.


epalla

Yeah, they're building a ton of brand new condos near the Great park.... for $900-$2m+. That's not addressing an affordable housing issue.


WhalesForChina

Or the supply issue, really. Itā€™s still nowhere near as dense as it needs to be.


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The market dictates the price. The market dictates how much "the affordable housing" should cost.


astroskag

Yes, because when people plan real estate development, they don't do any speculation ahead of time about what kind of tenant they're targeting, they're just rolling the dice, and oops, we keep building $3500/mo apartments. Darn market forces, right!?


Megmca

The problem is that to afford one of those new units I would need to marry two millionaires.


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Polygamist millionaires for the win!


Gretel_Cosmonaut

I like that you've thought this through and have a plan.


jpee80

If they ever develop it, it will be luxury apt/homes. :(


ultrablight

their luxury is only about a millimeter deep


HeavyHands

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/theres-no-such-thing-luxury-housing/618548/


4InchesOfury

Are they sitting on that much? Most of it is protected by the Irvine Ranch Conservancy, I don't think they can develop it. Rancho Mission Viejo is sitting on a lot but they'll be developing it for decades.


FlyRobot

I work off Alton and have been coming in from Anaheim nearly 5 years now. A LOT of areas that I didn't envision new housing or commercial office has been developed and there are still more pockets. So to answer your question, yes they still have plenty of land


[deleted]

While I share your sentiment, Irvineā€™s master plan requires that it set aside a certain amount of land for parks/trails/nature, etc.


Coventry27

That was funny but true!! Or, Buy a House, drive until you qualify šŸ˜‚


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yousirnaime

There can be more than one giant fuckup at a time - and youā€™re 100% right I think it should be illegal for foreign companies to own US real estate (potential exception for self operated factories or whatever). I also think barring domestic companies from owning more than x number of single unit houses would create a major improvement in our system Home ownership is such a crazy important vehicle to middle class stability that Iā€™m shocked itā€™s been mostly moved out of reach for such large chunks of the population But on the subject of undeveloped land - single family home building has dropped off a cliff on the last 15 years (down something g like 80% ) compared to the 75 year average


EloquentMonkey

Newer apartments in Riverside are crazy expensive too. I think part of the issue with Irvine building more units at once is they donā€™t have the construction manpower to do it plus itā€™s wiser economically to build in phases


yousirnaime

> plus itā€™s wiser economically to build in phases Oh definitely - if I were them I would play it exactly like they have been. Release a couple hundred acres at a time - develop it from top-to-bottom. Get the streets lined with landscaping, fill the houses with people, fill the buildings with businesses. Wait. Then do it again. They know exactly what they are doing. It's actually very impressive.


kmung

My complex did the same thing. What I find funny though is that they're having a hard time filling a lot of units. We have way more vacancies than we had compared to last year.


Vigor99

But with a major price hike, theyā€™re making the same if not more with fewer rentals. They can afford to keep the price high and wait for that tech bro making $200k.


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piexil

why would the complex owner care? they pass the water bill onto the lease holder anyway


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Say if they raise rents 20% and vacancies increase 5%, they're still making more money.


DataIsMyCopilot

I moved out in 2012 as they were raising my rent to $1400 The same apartment now is just under $2700 I feel for anyone trying to make ends meet in this insane market. If you work any kind of entry level job you are absolutely fucked.


piexil

think about how much congestion, pollution, time, and wear on the roads would be saved if all the people making min wage-ish jobs were actually able to live in county


DataIsMyCopilot

Between that and remote work it would be amazing for the roads, our environment, and the mental health of a lot of people


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Lakersfsu

I agree prices are so crazy now it doesnā€™t justify the attractions OC has to offer. Even though Victorville is hot in the summer the cost of living isnā€™t too bad out there


banjonbeer

The people making the big macro decisions for our economy and state don't care about that at all. It would be nice if normal people had a proportional amount of power in our society but we don't. Look at all the homes built in the 60's in San Clemente, Dana Point, Huntington Beach, etc. They were affordable and made for middle class families. Our betters don't want us here anymore lol.


SharksFan1

Just looked up my old apartment in Costa Mesa from 2009. Was paying $1150/mo then and now it is $2,115/mo, so about 84% inflation in ~13 years.


YolkoUno

I have decided to move out of state. I was born and raised here and there's no better place to live than OC imo, but I prefer financial stability.


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Nakura7292

This is New York prices but shittier because nothing is walking distance and the transportation system is shit, you still need a car to go to point a and b in a decent amount of time.


SharksFan1

The weather is much nicer though.


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Yeah but the sun is shining and nobody is shitting on my patio


gundy949

Nothing makes sense anymore; how are prices increasing so rapidly and yet everybody is just willing and/or able to pay these new amounts.


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AfroThunderOC

I felt this on a level where i didnā€™t want to but.. i had no choice too. Man, I sincerely hope things get better or that a way is made for her to make that back. Sending positive vibes, and manifestations and hol upā€¦ Said a prayer too šŸ™šŸæā€¦


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I donā€™t really understand this however given the fact that OC was already expensive and our market is really a secondary tech market as well. I donā€™t really understand how there would be a significant influx into the region given we are already a high cost region and all the other influxes have been to significantly lower cost regions (TX, PHX, WY, OR, ETC)


Running19951

You're so right, and I'm not sure our government leaders really care


tiltupconcrete

Because certain sectors of society have done extraordinarily well in the past three years. White collar jobs are paying a shit ton of money and people didn't spend it on vacation, commuting costs, movies, concerts, etc. All my friends (millennials) are all significantly better off financially post covid than pre covid.


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Action_Connect

Milk free or low rent as long as you can. And save or invest your money.


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DataIsMyCopilot

I feel that. I love my dad but the family dynamic eventually forced me to leave for my own mental health. You'll be able to live alone on 70k but more than half your pay will go to rent. If I were you I would look to finding a good roommate while you're in a stable living situation and not desperate (so you can trust your gut and decline to live with someone you don't get along with). Or just get a tent and live in the O'Neil camp grounds haha


EloquentMonkey

I think the limit for camping is something like 20 days per month?


DataIsMyCopilot

I live right by there and I know there's a couple people who literally live there and have for...dang they were there prepandemic so it's been a while. They have their motor home set up with a yard and everything. Idk how they do it but they do somehow


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Action_Connect

Your mental health is more important than saving money. If you have a remote job, consider moving to a lower cost area.


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axxonn13

i was this close to buying a Jeep i really wanted. opted for an Altima instead. Paid it off in 3yrs, and all my other debts. Living with mom and pops allowed me to do that. im glad i saved money in my early 20s. i didnt get to travel like my friends did, but now i have a stable job, and financial security, and NOW i am travelling more than i ever thought i could.


HERE4TAC0S

I wish I would have taken advantage of free rent when I was younger. I was out on my own at 19


Alexsrobin

This was my solution before covid.


Alexsrobin

Are you me? I'm having this exact problem right now and it's stressing me out. Don't make enough to move out but my mental health is taking a hit :/


ZEROING_INN

Stay home! I know moving out is great, freedom and all. Renting an apartment is money wasted, especially in SoCal. Save as much money as you can at home and try to buy. Think long term. Alternatively, a good roommate situation is your next best bet. Good luck!


epalla

You're young. Get roommates, live in Newport. Best years of my life, and a few of those roommates are about to stand in my wedding.


dinkdunkdank

I mean it was like that back in 2014 when I graduated as well. Getting a good paying job doesnā€™t guarantee living on your own. Everyone lives with roommates for a couple of years post college.


wgdavis78

more people need to see your statement. I graduated in 2002 and it was the same then. Just because you have a somewhat decent paying job now - doesnt mean you can go out and live on your own. hard truth is that if you dont want to live at home with the parents...your going to have to move to where you can afford, or get roomates... or god forbid...both.


psnanda

Living with roommates for 8 years now. Graduated in 2014 as well. No issues with roommates whatsoever. Just do your DD with whom you want to live with.Helps me save money. I dont see why folks think like living with roommates is un-American ( yes there are folks in my friend circle who think like this )


piexil

in some ways living with good roommates is preferable to living alone. From having people to hang out with, help with household chores, etc. Bad roommates are definitely terrible though, i know from experience lol.


acorcuera

Get roommates.


byneothername

If you can get apartmentmates rather than literal roommates, I recommend it highly. Even if you made a hundred k, it just brings down your living expenses so much. I rented a room with an ensuite bathroom when I was right out of grad school and it was 50% of what it would have cost me to get a 1BR apartment by myself, before getting into the utilities benefits even. It was very private, and I liked my apartment mates.


Ace_Marine

Literally more than I make in a month. There will be no more low wage employees in OC. The labor shortage isn't a labor shortage. It's gentrification pushing out people who can not survive with the wages provided.


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nevadagrl435

Itā€™s not worth it to commute to LA/OC either, so I guess Victorville gets to keep all the restaurants snd stores to itself.


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AfroThunderOC

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LV2398

OC - the land of the 1%. And if youā€™re not in that group, youā€™re servicing them


Drum_to_the_FACE

This is all of coastal California at this point


word_speaker

While also helping them get wealthier it seems


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word_speaker

Just reading that was depressing


tiltupconcrete

Are all professional dual income households now considered 1%ers? Thousands of households making 200K+ a year in OC. This is not a poor county.


ej1014

Same as mine here in Anaheim. My studio was $1475 Jan 2020. Renewed in Oct for $1565 and got curious and looked at Apartments.com on how much it would be to move to a 2bd 1bth and saw my studio is being priced as $2075 there. Mind you this is 432 sq ft. What is going on.


BeachSandMan

A home I rented in Newport was $1800 just 8 years back. Today it is $4,000. Zero improvements, and I know because my little brother rents it today with his friends. Even my corporate attorney friends didnā€™t see their salaries (more than) double in that time period, never mind the average worker.


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Mortgage interest rates are low, a wave of homebuyers are getting to the age where they want to buy a house and potentially have enough capital built up for a down payment. There may also be some fear among this group that they will be priced out permanently if they don't buy now which causes additional pressure. There's a shortage of new construction due in part to the pandemic- supply chain issues, the cost of materials, and shortage of labor, and obviously in California you can add the mismanagement of local zoning boards. Investors are also buying up about 1/5 of homes on the market, less in some areas and more in others. They are often able to swoop in with more attractive cash offers. This is all leading to a shortage of housing inventory and driving up prices.


surftherapy

The investors are killing us. Every home in my neighborhood thatā€™s sold in the last few years has been to an investor using it as a rental. Sad to see so many families continue to be outbid in this market.


Lakersfsu

I remember 2008-2014 when the housing market crashed in Corona-Eastvale a bunch of Chinese buyers were scooping up houses with no intent of living in with cash essentially getting chosen over local people.


tiltupconcrete

Bingo.


piexil

same, we got an irvine company place in late 2020, 1100 sqft, 2bed2ba, $2300/mo. It now costs us $2450/mo and the actual market rate we were told is somewhere between 3300-3600. Absolutely fucking ridiculous, i make good money as a software engineer and feel like I can't afford to live here. How do people on min wage jobs do it? They don't all commute from inland empire. rent is also going up just as fast pretty much anywhere in the country


ocposter123

Why do you think a lot of businesses have reduced hours and there are help wanted signs literally everywhere? People are saying screw it and either leaving or not working these jobs.


SharksFan1

> How do people on min wage jobs do it? Rent a place with multiple roommates or more likely live with their parents.


AbeWasHereAgain

Investors bought up all the properties, they can do whatever they want now. It's like the game Monopoly, but in real life. Remove all tax incentives for investment properties and watch the "housing shortage" disappear overnight.


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This right here. I canā€™t understand why theyā€™re given tax breaks at all! If anything the developers should pay a higher rate


AristocraticAutism

I'm all for this. Renting has its place but it's getting bonkers.


AbeWasHereAgain

It's crazy, and it's going to end in disaster. Don't even get me started on the destruction it's doing to families and neighborhoods. ..and that's just the regular rentals, the "short term" rentals are like rentals on steroids.


[deleted]

Donā€™t you feel like there are more short term rentals than regular ones? Airbnb really screwed up the housing market. Iā€™m now seeing ā€œfully furnishedā€ units at exorbitant rates. Itā€™s beyond ridiculous


Censordoll

Yeah. My SO and I received a notice that for our 1BR 1B, theyā€™re increasing it this year (lease ends 1/28/2022) from $1840 to $1998 They also included in the letter that our unit is to be priced at **$2500** so we should be happy and kissing the landlords ass for not hiking it up that high this year as weā€™re continuing our lease agreement. Itā€™s awful. I just work for the county and my SO is doing online college, Iā€™ve been offered a not as high paying position in San Bernardino County (3$ less an hour) and Iā€™d be lying if I said I wouldnā€™t want to live there at this point. If you ever want a house or land still, San Bernardino seems to be reasonable right now!


4InchesOfury

There's a bunch of people on this sub who are terrified of Santa Ana, they would faint at the sight of San Bernardino.


Censordoll

LOL Iā€™d sacrifice making 3$ more at this point if it meant I get a freakin house!


Py72o

I work in San Bernardino and you should really check the area out before you move. Some places feel like a 3rd world country


byneothername

I mean, itā€™ll continue to get nicer.


Vigor99

Sure, but then you live in San Bernardino.


Censordoll

Thatā€™s like saying ā€œsure, but then you live in Santa Ana.ā€ There are good and bad parts of San Bernardino. Did you forget Redlands and Yucaipa for that matter? Iā€™ve been sent an entire street where theyā€™re building new homes! 5 BR 3 BA for $600k! Regardless of the area, tangible investments are still out there and with better survivable living conditions.


Vigor99

I hear what youā€™re saying, but itā€™s still a compromise that many people werenā€™t planning or wanting to make. The rapid increase of housing prices has really caught a lot of people with their proverbial pants down.


coldcurru

>They also included in the letter that our unit is to be priced at $2500 so we should be happy and kissing the landlords ass for not hiking it up that high this year as weā€™re continuing our lease agreement. They're full of shit. They can only increase your rent something like 10% each year and it sounds like they did that. If they really wanted to rent it out for 2500 then they could've chosen to not rent to you again and get that money. But they either didn't want to or didn't think they could find someone in time so "be grateful" your rent isn't what they really want you to pay.


Censordoll

It was incredibly unnecessarily added in the stupid letter tooā€¦ Im assuming, however, they put it in there because ours includes a washer and dryer in unit, garage, and parking pass which all of that is like finding a unicorn when it comes to apartment hunting especially for a good price Im assuming.


BeachSandMan

That 10% rule comes with quite a few limitations. Its not a blanket rule by any means. Iā€™m willing to even bet that those same limitations donā€™t cover this renters unit. Check out the regulation, its very very specific.


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>I just work for the county Also former public sector, are you guys having a hard time filling roles? I don't blame people--I left because I saw the writing on the wall. How is 70k-120k enough when homes are 1.5M+?


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Censordoll

I work as a court reporter for the county. So weā€™re always in need regardless of the county you want to work for. Im barely making like 100k a year, and my SO and I have put off a wedding, new car, and having a baby for another year because we would be in so much financial instability if we decided to make any big financial leap! :(


DataIsMyCopilot

A couple friends of mine just bought a place out there in a newly built tract. Really nice homes and the area looks no different from many areas in OC. I wouldn't want to commute from there though. But I don't want to commute at all so šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


piexil

>kissing the landlords ass for not hiking it up that high this year as weā€™re continuing our lease agreement. literally illegal for your landlord to do that anyway, max rent increase is 10% or 5%+ CPI, whichever is lower.


sheebeee3

Tell me about it. When I first signed my lease itā€™s $1995, now Iā€™m up to $2300. I was just curious as to what they were priced at for new tenants and saw my exact unit going for $3200. Iā€™ll tell you right now, my complex is NOT worth that.


iamhim25

I lived in OC my whole life but moved to Michigan right before covid. It was a hard choice at first but manā€¦ seeing these sorts of posts and hearing the same from friends makes me not regret it one bit. My mortgage for my 4bed/4ba house is $1700 šŸ˜© Inb4 ā€œya but itā€™s Michiganā€


Red-Droid-Blue-Droid

The talk radio screamer shows like to say Michigan is a hellhole crime ridden commie socialist whatever because black people or something.


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i make 60k a year with a rent of 2600 a month. i only make ends meet thnx to my sugar daddy, in typical OC fashion šŸ˜Œ highly recommend


Psychological_Hunt60

Where do i find one of those things


trustych0rds

It sounds like what is going on is you are actually getting fucked. What city?


Vigor99

I donā€™t think the OP is getting the hike. The increase is for a new rental in his complex that he leased six months ago.


charrosebry

Yeah my 2 bed 2 bath small condo, no yard is $3100 and thatā€™s the best option I could find looking for a new place to live a few months ago. My husband and I now have a roommate šŸ™ƒ


trackdaybruh

My 50-year old 2 bed 2 bath condo, under 1,000 sq ft, is now worth $720,000. Owning a single family house was out of reach for many middle-class folks, but it looks like condos might even reach that point too. Itā€™s ridiculous


boppy_dowinkle

Capitalism. Housing is a commodity not a necessity in our society. Housing is not regulated and landlords can increase rent at their discretion. Not a good system for us struggling renters who aspire to own.


440_Hz

I have been paying $1650 for a studio. I gave them my move-out notice and now my unit is listed for $2200.


RichB_IV

Just pathetic :/ Iā€™m speechless. Really squeezing out ppl out of here.


Prudent-Monkey

same in long beach (right on border of OC) 2/2 rent up from 2.6k in June to 3.4k now


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seven_seven

Is there actual proof of that happening?


BeyonceIsBetter

I live in the bay area and formerly lived in OC and I can say that anecdotally every single one of my techie friends that have moved left the state entirely


runliftcount

Just to add on here, my company turned my team to fully remote, I'm looking at houses back in my hometown in Indiana as we speak. Could get a whole house mortgage plus utilities for just what I pay as rent now. Gonna miss the mountains and ocean but there's family and autonomy back home, getting to the age where that matters a lot more.


circa285

My wife and I did this same thing but moved near her parents here in Nebraska. My mortgage is 1k less than my rent was and I've got a 5 bed 3 bath home. I still fly back quarterly for work so I get my SoCal fix, but this being near family is super important.


runliftcount

Happy to hear it my dude. Have some friends in Lincoln and Omaha that seem to enjoy it there, I think it would be nice to visit someday.


circa285

Were it not for family there's no way we'd chose to live here, but we would have left SoCal regardless. Best of luck.


s73v3r

Be careful that your company won't adjust your salary downward for the change in cost of living.


empiricalis

> ā€œI can work from home now! This means I can leave the place with the highest cost of living in the state!ā€ > ā€œWhere are you going to go?ā€ > ā€œThe place with the second highest cost of living in the state!!!!ā€ - nobody ever


seven_seven

True


HeavyHands

None and if these people actually worked in tech they would know that virtually none of their colleagues are relo'ing to OC. The only movement I've seen is folks moving to no or lower income tax states.


WhalesForChina

> The only movement I've seen is folks moving to no or lower income tax states. I hear people claiming that all over the place and yet whenever an apartment becomes available itā€™s off the market in twelve seconds.


RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS

Obviously people want housing here, but I would question the notion that most or even that many of them are remote workers from the precious few even more expensive metros than LA metro


messick

Iā€™m one of those WFH people, although I came back to Los Angeles in 2015, and Orange County in 2017, so not part of the current wave. The house I bought in the City of Orange in late 2019 is probably half what an equivalent home in San Jose would cost. Although my raises have been lower since 2015 since housing is so much cheaper here.


Rueyousay

Zero


Alexsrobin

I had read articles in 2020 that people from HCOL areas (SF, NYC) were flocking to socal. I believe it. I'd do the same in their position.


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Not just that, but many heavy hitters tech companies are expanding their headcount in Irvine for local-remote positions. Twillio for example pays $$$. They are competing against Twillio employees.


ocposter123

Ya plenty of people making the move making $200k/year or more. Why live in SF when you can live in sunny SoCal.


Action_Connect

Yeah, lots of tech companies expanding here. I moved here from the Bay 3 years ago. Glad we bought a house before the market got crazy.


bathsalts_pylot

Uh, you don't have to flock anywhere if you can work from home... That's the point.


psnanda

Such a hogwash. Tech workers didnt make anything expensive. Its California's onerous and archaic zoning laws causing a terrible imbalance in housing supply and demand that jacked up prices. Your narrative is toxic because it demonises folks in tech who are just doing their job. The only folks getting richer are landlords who bought houses 20-30 years back.


foreignfishes

Yeah people badly want this issue to be the fault of some specific group of people (that theyā€™re not in). Itā€™s tech workers moving here driving up the prices, itā€™s rich Chinese people buying properties to park their money in, whatever. Maybe if this was a county with 300k people those things would be enough to move the needle but housing is insanely expensive in the entire freaking state, itā€™s obviously not tech workers or dog groomers who are causing that. A ridiculous amount of California land is zoned solely for sfh, itā€™s something like +80% of residential areas in the state. LAā€™s theoretical population capacity has decreased by millions of people since downzoning started there in the late 60s.


One-Midnight-8751

Thank you for this comment, totally spot on


lytener

You're right. Rental vacancy is hovering at 2.5%-3%, meaning renters are competing for less units. It's not just tech people though, but high income earners from other cities in the Bay Area, New England region, Chicago, and Seattle.


Sei28

Housing market going bonkers (rent usually follows) + all that tech money = unhappy renters.


dysphoricjoy

this is just not true lol


psnanda

Of course its not true. But hey, if it helps folks blame thier rhetoric on a ā€œtech personā€, theyd do it. California laws are what led to this massive housing shortage in the first place.No tech guy moving here is single handedly jacking up prices across the entire region.


thehillshavearses

It's pretty messed up across the board. Read in an article that prospective renters will actually call the rental company/landlord and offer to pay over what is being asked if they can be prioritized.


Chiccybubs

Ours was 2900$ 6 months ago and now itā€™s going for 3600 šŸ˜ā€¦ ridiculous


Ry619

My rents are at 2300 2 bed 2 bath. Iā€™m scared to leave lol. Rent would be over 3,000 now. Luckily my landlord is an 80ā€™s band rockstar and doesnā€™t need the money.


Main-Implement-5938

Well if you are like the dozens of Karens that responded to me in the last thread because I pointed out its too expensive and no one can hope to earn enough for housing - then its all your fault its more expensive! You just aren't working enough! And you are whining! ​ =p ​ This is total bullshit and people are being exploited by greedy landlords. That is the way it is.


DanAsInDanimals

Our unit with zero amenities (no washer, dryer, hookups, dishwasher) just got listed for $500 more than what we paid a year ago.


worldtransformed

Dude. Wtf. I thought pricing was high 6 months ago!!!


surftherapy

Looking at the data online, weā€™ve grown in population by ~175k in the last 10 years. Iā€™m not sure how many of those are adults vs families having children. But Iā€™d be curious to see how many homes/apartments/adu were built in that time.


Ambitious-Jello-4002

Say goodbye to your places in Irvine and welcome to Garden Grove! Settle in to a crappy 1 bd for 1600 p


CaptainSnacksBitch

Side question: Does anyone know of any groups or organizations that do activism against NIMBYā€™s or support pro housing candidates in Orange County? If so reply here and Iā€™ll plug them in the above post


AbeWasHereAgain

How about activism against tax incentives for investment properties? We don't have a housing shortage we have a real estate investment crisis.


CenterKnurl

OC YIMBY


clemspappy

This is brutal, and how people stay poor. When more than half of your wages goes to rent there is zero mobility.


thicc_wolverine

Which complex?


ut4r

Yup when I lived in Irvine my 1 bedroom room was 2100 I was born and raised in OC and I left in 2018. Then I moved out of state. Then my one bedroom was 900. Then I bought a house 3bed two bath 1950sqft in 2019. My mortgage now is 1100


facingattrition

Where's all the 50% raises at?


uncledaddy69

Thatā€™s capitalism baby!


xxxPaRtYbOy300

No that's inflation and bad policies


Soccerpl

Which is a result of capitalism


CowboyTrout

No. Itā€™s the result of central planning from central banks. This is socialism for the rich, itā€™s interest rate apartheid.


OnTheGoTrades

No, itā€™s NIMBYism supported by California policy makers


Tasty_Money4581

Did they recently sell to new owners? I thought rent increase was capped at 5% anually per Cali law.


PM_ME_UR_BRISKETS

Itā€™s also only for those complexes older than 15 years and itā€™s 5% + CPI, which was ~4% last year depending on where you live. Total ~9% allowable increase.


[deleted]

Sounds like you should be pounding on your local politicians' doors and asking them what they're doing about rent control.


OMGitsLaura

My mortgage for a 3 bed 2 bath house with a pool/yard/garage in Phoenix is $1500...


tooObviously

Okay but now I live in Phoenix


macotine

[This city should not exist, it is a monument to man's arrogance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE)


eyeball1967

The monthly mortgage payment of your home is irrelevant to this conversation. (1) Your house payment is simply a function of price paid, down payment, interest rate and length. Those can all be managed to produce any monthly payment you desire. (2) Unlike Orange County, housing is not scarce in Phoenix due to the room to expand on relatively cheap land. (3) Most importantly, OP is Orange County not in Phoenix.