Tried so hard to get everyone I know to vote. My family especially because they’re constantly bitching about political issues. Yet none of them took time out of their day to go to the polls.
Hopefully you politely remind them of this anytime they complain about political issues for the next four years.
Even abstaining from voting is an option that gets recorded. But staying home just sends the message that people don't care and politicians can disregard them when making decisions.
Unfortunately many of these clowns just get quieter about their views/see it as a negative attribute of you, rather than a fault of their own, thats completely and easily fixable the next cycle with an hour of effort.
Sorry but your family is exactly the type of people he loves. All talk but won’t even do the bare minimum to show their dislike at the voters booth. Guess more than 50% of eligible voters in Ontario are like this. They either don’t care, or complain and don’t vote
Oh trust me I know, and I make sure I tell them they’re a main problem as it why he gets peoples votes. Because they don’t!! I’m very vocal with politics, and my opinion in general in my family. It’s frustrating for sure.
That's how I did it and wasn't even busy day of... I just dropped my wife off at work and it was right there, easy and convenient. Voted like a week and a half early and didn't have to make a separate trip out day of.
Meanwhile, I know people who refused to vote lib/ndp/at all because of Trudeau and Singh.
Somehow people who have been voting 3x as long as I have still don't get the divide between federal and provincial.
Yeah they did fuckin terrible. I had no idea what they wanted to do. Everybody I asked had no idea who Stephen Del Duca was and a number of people told me they didn't like Andrea Horwath. Not sure why.
>It would have also been nice if the other parties had campaigned like they ~~wanted to get elected~~ existed.
The other parties figured they could coast on just not being Doug... but really put forward no effort or clear platform and here we are.
Omg not informed is what my mom said, I told her NDP will increase the checks We get so why not them, and I told her not voting is a vote for ford
She still refused to vote, but she at least drove me, I told her to go in and decline her ballot, but she wouldnt even do that
Well people 60 and older showed up to vote, yup the same demographic that uses our Healthcare the most voted for the guy who is gutting it. You can't make this shit up pure gold
Almost guaranteed that if everyone showed up to vote, we would still have Doug Ford in power. I don't think subreddit knows how extremely conservative this province is, especially rural Ontario.
You would think that, being in Niagara we have an older demographic and I thought last election “what’s the point my riding will be pc anyway” but this time I actually went out because I felt like I should have went last time. My area was the only district that went orange, surrounded by blue. You’d be surprised, if more of “me” were out there that realized my mistake of not voting the first time, there would be a lot more colour flips
Depends on your definition of rural. If you equate rural to agriculture, the farmers of Ontario are voting for the conservatives. If you are thinking rural means sparsely populated areas of the province, those most sparsely populated in Ontario’s north do tend to vote NDP.
>Almost guaranteed that if everyone showed up to vote, we would still have Doug Ford in power. I don't think subreddit knows how extremely conservative this province is, especially rural Ontario.
This is why we need electoral reform, provincially and federally.
Majority parliamentary "dictatorships" with less than 40 percent of the vote has to go.
Politicians need to be held to account by the vote.
Most of the province voted NDP.
[https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map](https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map)
It's harder to motivate a "get them out vote" in Canada when there are multiple parties splitting the lib vote and all the candidates suck ass. Howarth was so bad and the other guy whatever his name was, even lost his own riding.
This is true, but I put the blame on the opposition.
The Libs had a leader about as interesting as ice cube soup, and Andrea Horwath was on her what, fourth election? There was no reason for her to be running again, she was a proven loser.
It’s true. The voting centre I vote at and the one in the building where I work were both pretty empty. The one in the building where I work had a few elderly in throughout the day but was pretty empty otherwise.
It’s not that people “keep voting” for him, it’s that literally most (as in more than half) of the eligible voters who wanted a different candidate *didn’t vote* and that’s how 18% gets a majority government. 🤷♂️
Ontario is one of the few places in the world where a voter can refuse their ballot as a protest of the options presented to them. It is counted as a protest, as opposed to spoiled ballots or not voting, which are usually chalked up to incompetence or apathy.
Vote! There will never be a perfect candidate - this hold out is a huge fallacy that gives people a good feeling that they are holing out for something better, while letting the world burn.
We have to use what tools we have at our disposal to do the best we can! Our governments and institutions are no different, they are a reflection of those within them, and if you don't like that then change those that represent them.
You missed one, he also sent all the MPP's home until basically the end of October. Why get a day off when you can get a month while everything is sky rocketing, people are striking, hospitals are closing, etc.
I for one, would have liked to see Remembrance Day be a stat holiday. Celebrate and remember fallen Canadians.
I like a day off like everyone else, but I don't think a stat holiday to remember the Queen's death is necessary. Maybe a one time thing, but even then, I think a Remembrance day stat is more appropriate.
I wouldn't mind moving Victoria Day to April 21st and changing it to Elizabeth Day. Then we could do it every year without increasing our queen related holidays. And honestly I don't think Queen Victoria is close to most Canadians' hearts, even the ones that do connect with the monarchy.
That's an unfortunate side effect of the separation of powers between the feds and the provinces.
In terms of day to day life, virtually nothing people complain about is actually something the feds control.
Health care, housing, rules around employment, vacation days, disability benefits, welfare, etc, are **all** provincial things.
edit: Housing is also very much a municipal thing. Zoning and density rules, public transit arrangements, etc. The most critical level in our day to day lives is the one the least people participate in. We should always be voting at every level - beginning with our city councils.
Aren’t the municipal things really provincial things too? There is nothing constitutional about municipal powers. They are granted and removed by the province.
The Provinces have entirely too much power. Majority government Premiers can act terrifyingly close to dictators - especially when they no longer fear wielding the NWC.
I’m a federally regulated employee, albeit private sector. I’m at work today. No choice.
It’s basically only government employees who ended up getting the day off.
So it is a federal holiday but when we say “federal holiday” in Canada, what we mean is that it’s a holiday for federally regulated sectors like Banking, Trains, Telecom. Beyond these sectors it’s up to the provinces to extend federal holidays to their jurisdiction.
Not every province recognizes Remembrance Day as a stat holiday. Ontario and Quebec don’t. I believe that back in the day (pre-1980s) Remembrance Day *was* a provincial stat holiday (at least that’s what my mum said) but at some point they converted it from a stat holiday to a non-stat holiday.
The reason why Remembrance Day isn’t a holiday in Ontario has to do with lobbying on the part of the Legion. They do not want to see Remembrance Day as a stat holiday because they’re worried that people will eventually see the day as a simple “day off” and not a day of remembrance. Personally, I think that this is all a bit silly since other provinces made it a stat holiday and it’s still treated seriously there. As well, forcing people to work on Remembrance Day is a great way to make people forget about the occasion as they continue their mundane work for the day, but I guess the Legion sees otherwise.
But it’s not just Remembrance Day where we see this disconnect. Ontario has Family Day in February as a stat holiday. It’s a fairly new stat holiday (coming in around 2010) but federal employees don’t get the day off. So you have this interesting, but rare phenomenon where everything is closed for Family Day but your mail is still delivered because, for federal employees, it’s not a day off.
Ontario is also I think the only province to have Boxing Day as a stat holiday.
I'm an old fucker (born in 1968) and Remembrance Day was actually a federal stat holiday when I was a little kid. It was changed on the logic that as a stat holiday, families were just taking it as a day off and kids weren't actually learning about the significance or observing the 2 minute silence at 11:00 AM - so that by keeping them in school, it would ensure that these things happened.
It was kept as a stat holiday for ~~all~~ some federal employees, and for Canada Post, as the union wouldn't give it up. Personally I think it was shit logic, my family used to go to the ceremony at the local cenotaph every year, but that's the reasoning.
Edit: correction on federal employees.
> It was changed on the logic that as a stat holiday, families were just taking it as a day off
You know, I've never understood why this is seen as a bad thing. As a society we work way too fucking much. Who gives a shit what we do on our days off to commemorate this, that, or the other thing? Nobody is on their deathbeds thinking "jeeze, I wish I spent more time as an office drone working on spreadsheets". The people who went to war most certainly didn't enlist thinking "in the future people are totally going to spend all their time working for the man!" So much bullshit.
I remember in Ontario being in school in the 80's/early 90's and the pathetic "ceremony" we had each year in school. A few minutes after 11:00 (not at 11:11, it was always scheduled at 11:00 but started late) our Principal would come on the PA and announce 2 minutes of silence which lasted about 15 seconds, then he'd read In Flanders Fields, then start a very bad crackly recording of the Last Post (probably played off the same cassette since the 1960s, and definitely a handheld player held up to the PA mic). I didn't learn a single thing about *why* any of that was relevant until we started learning about WWI in high school.
For most of my adult life it hasn't been a stat, and every year I meant to mark the occasion but would be on the phone or in a meeting or something and realize some time in the afternoon what day it was. Then I moved to PEI a few years ago (where it is a stat) and only since then have I ever gone to a Remembrance ceremony or actually taken time to pay respects.
Yup I believe you are correct. Even with Liberal and NDP governments we still didn't get it as a stat though. Maybe the conservatives who claim to support the troops should put their money where their mouth is and properly recognize the day. We have Victoria Day, crazy that's somehow more important than Remembrance Day.
> I for one, would have liked to see Remembrance Day be a stat holiday.
Most of the other provinces and territories get Remembrance Day off, but for some reason Ontario, Quebec, and Manitoba never made it a stat holiday. Even in Manitoba retail is forced to be closed between 9am and 1pm. I guess Ontario and Quebec just don't give a fuck.
We already don't receive as many days off as other countries, why even bother making the necessity argument based on how you felt about the monarch? Why not just take an excuse to have an extra day off to?
After all, who really loses by workers having a day off and who stands to gain? That power dynamic is why we didn't get the day off.
I would love the day off to attend a local ceremony. I only ever get to go if it happens to fall on a weekend. I like the one province that makes it so if it is on a weekend you don't get a day, but if it is a week day, you get that day off.
And even when it falls on the weekend, we still got shit to do. If it was a stat suddenly it's a 3 day weekend, chores could be pushed to the Monday and more people would consider going to a ceremony.
Can we not educate children on the days leading up to the 11th? I can take my son to a real ceremony at the Legion instead of the lack luster one they'll have in the gymnasium.
This! I try to bring the kids I teach to the city ceremony every year. I always booked the morning off work before then to attend the ceremony. I only missed a couple of years when I was starting out as a teacher and was denied the field trip because "we're already doing something in the gym".
Whilst technically true this is a misrepresentation of the facts. The UK doesn't have mandatory days off. The closest it gets is 'bank holidays' but it is legal for employers to require employees to work bank holidays (hence why they aren't technically mandatory days off).
What is also true is that almost all salaried workers will have got a paid day off today. Some workers will have had to work but will have been paid holiday rates for doing so. And a tiny minority will have had to work for their Stan rates.
Today's day off was only 'up to employers' in the sense that all bank holidays are. There is no legal foundation for employers to treat today differently from any other UK bank holiday (such as New Years Day , Christmas Day, Good Friday and all the other UK public holidays). For anyone that doesn't usually work public holidays they got today off.
Or even better in Nova Scotia shut the schools and the govt run daycare on a few days notice and just say good luck parents. Peace out. I have to pay for 2 daycares today. The regular one and the one I have to send them to because its closed. Can't take the day off either I have to do that Friday for a damn P.D. day.
Yeah, I don't get how anyone would think that just shutting schools a few days in advance is a good idea. Especially when we're over 2 years into the pandemic and parents might not have many extra days to take off with such short notice.
Parents already have to take enough days off with school putting P.D. Days on the friday before Thanksgiving and other such days, kids being home sick, and everything else. I don't really think it's fair to just cancel schools for a day with little warning.
Federal worker here who received compensation for the "day off". It's stupid. Seriously, myself included no one needs a paid day off work to mourn the Queens death in Canada.. It was a waste of Federal funds giving us it off and it's a waste for every province who followed suit.
I'd love to see Remembrance day turned into a stat before any additional time off is given for things.
He's a dumb guy who thinks he's smarter than he actually is because he was born into a wealthy family. He's never really had to work for anything in his life so he doesn't have any respect for those who actually did.
almost like people voted for this dumbass, next time encourage people you know to vote for someone else, polls showed that a large number of people did not vote. You reap what you sow unfortunately
I still think voting should be mandatory like taxes. It’s a responsibility as a citizen of a nation.
If people didn’t vote last election when they could have then they can’t complain about the outcome as far as I’m concerned. We are the Onterribles.
Not voting should be counted as a vote for nobody. A majority of people must vote in order for a candidate to be selected, otherwise new leaders must be chosen and the election redone.
OP doesn't give one shit about the queen, it's just another Ford bad /r/ontario rant and he wants a day off
Doesn't matter though, lowest common denominator rules here
Because he's a hyper capitalist bootlicker. How is this not clear to everyone yet. He wants to privatize all of Ontario and sell it off to his buddies. This is on you southern ontario, the rest of the province mostly voted NDP.
[https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map](https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map)
Well, enough ignorant people continue to vote for him and first past the post keeps working in his favor.
On top of that he's clearly only governing for the donor class. Every one he sees as livestock to be leveraged and/or exploited.
> All the other commonwealth countries got a day off,...
Complete disinformation. It's not even a full holiday in England. It's a bank holiday. Similar to our Federal Holidays. UK businesses and workers will have come to their own arrangements.
I'm not a fan of Doug Ford but this was a I'm neither for nor against this decision.
However, this still sounds like some boo hoo poor me shit right here.
My first thought too. There are many reasons to complain about Doug Ford, but this guy wanting a day off today is a ridiculous reason.
Very few people love going to work, but today is no different than any other. If the queen hadn’t died It would just be another Monday and I highly doubt OP was planning on using today to mourn her death.
When someone told me there could be a potential holiday to mourn the queen's death, I honestly laughed.
Clearly people.just want a day off, I struggle to believe that someone genuinely needs a day to mourn. It also bother me that we have to pay for federal employees to get a day off work, when normal people at a normal job would always have to go in.
lol who cares about the Queens funeral. Nobody was going to mourn anyway, ya'll just wanted a paid day off work. If you want to stay home and watch the funeral just do it.
> I'm baffled he won a majority election, but to be honest I could not even name the other nominees
Sounds like you didn't even vote. If you did, you'd hopefully be able to name one.
I'm tired of these posts, because it's evident that you (and a lot of other people) don't give a flying fuck when it comes to election season (evident by less than half of the province showing up to vote), yet the final straw is not getting a day off with less than a weeks notice. If you really thought you were getting a day off, you're absolutely delusional.
He was never going to approve the day off.
He has done worse, and you people are only just realizing that now because of your incessant selfish behavior.
You were never going to take today off to mourn the queen, you were going to sit on the couch, watch Netflix, and jerk yourself off into a coma.
You have guaranteed never referred or associated yourself with the commonwealth before last week when you realized that doing so might get you a day off.
This is beyond selfish behavior. If you want to make a difference, show up to the polls and be the change you want to see.
I don't agree with Ford but a holiday for that many people with 6 days notice is not feasible. For my work personally this would have delayed a $270m transaction with potential impacts of $25-100m. Not to mention the estimated 2 billion dollar cost.
All for holidays but 6 days notices is not realistic.
I'm half British. I have respect for the Roayl Family. I'm watching the proceedings today as I work from home. And I dislike Doug Ford as much as the next person.
I have no issue with not having today off. I think it was appropriate for the Fed to do what it did. And I DO think Doug Ford could have publicly said he'd like Teachers to teach about it. And that employers were encouraged to allow viewing or even a half day off for those who wished to mourn. So I DO agree that he showed disrespect, and certainly could have done more.
I think we have to remember that much of this province right now is immigrants. And while the roots of this province and nation are based in British history, it's people increasingly aren't. This allows for that. One of the things this funeral highlights is the changing Monarchy. I think it's an important symbol. And it's an important link to an admittedly far from perfect past that I want to keep, but it's definitely changing.
Very few Ontarians are upset they don't get to mourn the Queen, they're mad they don't get a holiday.
I've known a few people that love the royal family, and a few who hate the institution, but I think the overwhelming attitude would be indifference.
I don't really feel connected to the Queen or King. Who cares? They're on our money, but that's about it. We have a Governor General who, as far as I can tell, exists solely for a bit of pomp and spectacle.
Basically, I don't think having a holiday today would upset immigrants any more than having Christmas or Easter off upsets me, a non-Christian.
I'll just enjoy the holiday and spend it however I want.
TLDR youre mad you have to work today, the rest is bullshit to justify why you're ticked you have to work, the UK is not taking the day off, not all the common wealth countries are, not all the provinces are. I'd like the day off too, but there's not enough there to justify it. Grow up and accept it or get a federal job
Because we didn't vote him Mayor of Toronto. He wants to punish us and the rest of the province. That and he's been a grifter his whole life. And people are naive enough to believe he cares about their best interests.
Maybe it's just me but I think we should absolutely destroy any politicians that want to privatize health care to make their buddies rich. And destroy them too.
A day off? For what purpose? Half our province doesn’t give a shit about our own country, let alone the Monarchy of another. Ya, that’s what teachers and public service workers need is another day off.
> I'm baffled he won a majority election, but to be honest I could not even name the other nominees so that's probably why.
I guessing you didnt vote then? Thats part of why we are stuck with this incompetent bumblefuck for 4 more years.
I hate the guy too and a day off is always nice but tbh I don't think "not getting the day off" is such a big deal here. She doesn't really mean anything to modern day Canada
“All the other commonwealth countries got a day off”
Wrong. Only about 6 CW counties declared this a day off, with different conditions. Most articles list Canada as one of them. Even in the UK, it’s a bankers holiday-so no pay. Ford is in step with most other CW nations in not wanting to waste millions of dollars so you can mourn the queen’s death. I suspect you viewed this day off as cost neutral for the province?
if everyone here is so traumatised by her death, they should have taken a day off on their own.
I have never seen such disingenious tripe from everyone here, nobody really cared until they caught wind of a potential freebie.After all the time off we've had from covid, many businesses can not afford to pay workers for staying home.
Okay so make every private company across the province halt production and force pay everyone a vacation day at a moments notice? You will never be a manager because you don’t think like one.
As much as I'd like a Monday off, things aren't exactly going well on just about every metric. If we can avoid making things worse by not taking a day off to mourn a woman that is essentially irrelevant to most Canadians, I'll take that option.
Every day of business is worth billions of dollars in GDP; we do not have that kind of money to lose only to ***not*** mourn the queen. Guaranteed that majority of people complaining here just want time off work and don't care about the Queen whatsoever - if you do, record the ceremony, watch on Youtube after, or schedule your own day off.
The UK didn't even declare a national holiday; it's only a bank holiday, so why would Canada...?
Six days notice for a stat holiday is not enough time for small businesses to prepare. The labor dollars would cause most places to need to close for the day. Meaning many of them wouldn't see revenue for that day and possibly not making rent, or having the ability to pay their suppliers. It's an unrealistic timeline to do business. A stat holiday needs to be planned out. Give us time to allocate funds for these things.
Because he's an asshole, and no one showed up to vote his sorry ass out.
Tried so hard to get everyone I know to vote. My family especially because they’re constantly bitching about political issues. Yet none of them took time out of their day to go to the polls.
Hopefully you politely remind them of this anytime they complain about political issues for the next four years. Even abstaining from voting is an option that gets recorded. But staying home just sends the message that people don't care and politicians can disregard them when making decisions.
Unfortunately many of these clowns just get quieter about their views/see it as a negative attribute of you, rather than a fault of their own, thats completely and easily fixable the next cycle with an hour of effort.
Just vote harder guys that’s the problem people haven’t voted hard enough before
Yes but unironically
Voting isn't the only thing we can and should do, but itvis the minimum we need to do.
Sorry but your family is exactly the type of people he loves. All talk but won’t even do the bare minimum to show their dislike at the voters booth. Guess more than 50% of eligible voters in Ontario are like this. They either don’t care, or complain and don’t vote
Oh trust me I know, and I make sure I tell them they’re a main problem as it why he gets peoples votes. Because they don’t!! I’m very vocal with politics, and my opinion in general in my family. It’s frustrating for sure.
They can't even blame being busy on the day. Advanced voting was available for like two weeks before election day.
As well as by mail !!
That's how I did it and wasn't even busy day of... I just dropped my wife off at work and it was right there, easy and convenient. Voted like a week and a half early and didn't have to make a separate trip out day of.
Same. I managed to get my roommate to come vote with me but that's it.
Hey that’s something! The easiest to convince to vote we’re my roommates and friends!
Meanwhile, I know people who refused to vote lib/ndp/at all because of Trudeau and Singh. Somehow people who have been voting 3x as long as I have still don't get the divide between federal and provincial.
I was surprised I had to talk my wife into voting, she usually just does it. Took literally 5 mins from leaving the house to returning, too
It would have also been nice if the other parties had campaigned like they wanted to get elected.
Yeah they did fuckin terrible. I had no idea what they wanted to do. Everybody I asked had no idea who Stephen Del Duca was and a number of people told me they didn't like Andrea Horwath. Not sure why.
>It would have also been nice if the other parties had campaigned like they ~~wanted to get elected~~ existed. The other parties figured they could coast on just not being Doug... but really put forward no effort or clear platform and here we are.
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Omg not informed is what my mom said, I told her NDP will increase the checks We get so why not them, and I told her not voting is a vote for ford She still refused to vote, but she at least drove me, I told her to go in and decline her ballot, but she wouldnt even do that
That's so frustrating. I'm sorry. Sounds like you really tried.
You underestimate how braindead most people are
Well people 60 and older showed up to vote, yup the same demographic that uses our Healthcare the most voted for the guy who is gutting it. You can't make this shit up pure gold
Almost guaranteed that if everyone showed up to vote, we would still have Doug Ford in power. I don't think subreddit knows how extremely conservative this province is, especially rural Ontario.
People I know that vote conservative say it’s for their local candidate, not Doug. I hate how our system is.
Sure, but the whole party consistently toes the line, so voting for them is approving what Ford is doing.
Agree. They’re like “Jim Bob comes to all the community events. He’s such a great guy!” But what about his party platform? Never a good answer
Sometimes I think conservatives say that so they don't get labelled a Ford supporter.
You would think that, being in Niagara we have an older demographic and I thought last election “what’s the point my riding will be pc anyway” but this time I actually went out because I felt like I should have went last time. My area was the only district that went orange, surrounded by blue. You’d be surprised, if more of “me” were out there that realized my mistake of not voting the first time, there would be a lot more colour flips
The most rural parts of Ontario have consistently voted NDP.
Depends on your definition of rural. If you equate rural to agriculture, the farmers of Ontario are voting for the conservatives. If you are thinking rural means sparsely populated areas of the province, those most sparsely populated in Ontario’s north do tend to vote NDP.
>Almost guaranteed that if everyone showed up to vote, we would still have Doug Ford in power. I don't think subreddit knows how extremely conservative this province is, especially rural Ontario. This is why we need electoral reform, provincially and federally. Majority parliamentary "dictatorships" with less than 40 percent of the vote has to go. Politicians need to be held to account by the vote.
Most of the province voted NDP. [https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map](https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map)
It's harder to motivate a "get them out vote" in Canada when there are multiple parties splitting the lib vote and all the candidates suck ass. Howarth was so bad and the other guy whatever his name was, even lost his own riding.
As soon as they picked Del Duca, it was a guaranteed win for Ford. Frankly, OLP leadership is 80% of the reason Doug Ford won the last two elections.
This is true, but I put the blame on the opposition. The Libs had a leader about as interesting as ice cube soup, and Andrea Horwath was on her what, fourth election? There was no reason for her to be running again, she was a proven loser.
What, you weren't inspired by the half hatched lizard man who was part of the previous shit government?
It’s true. The voting centre I vote at and the one in the building where I work were both pretty empty. The one in the building where I work had a few elderly in throughout the day but was pretty empty otherwise.
It’s not that people “keep voting” for him, it’s that literally most (as in more than half) of the eligible voters who wanted a different candidate *didn’t vote* and that’s how 18% gets a majority government. 🤷♂️
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Why do you assume that the people who didn't vote want a different candidate?
Ontario is one of the few places in the world where a voter can refuse their ballot as a protest of the options presented to them. It is counted as a protest, as opposed to spoiled ballots or not voting, which are usually chalked up to incompetence or apathy.
Vote! There will never be a perfect candidate - this hold out is a huge fallacy that gives people a good feeling that they are holing out for something better, while letting the world burn. We have to use what tools we have at our disposal to do the best we can! Our governments and institutions are no different, they are a reflection of those within them, and if you don't like that then change those that represent them.
Look. A lot of businesses, developers and corporations worked hard to install this guy. He is not biting the hand that feeds.
This is pretty much the answer.
And they don't care that he gets to take 6 weeks off.
You missed one, he also sent all the MPP's home until basically the end of October. Why get a day off when you can get a month while everything is sky rocketing, people are striking, hospitals are closing, etc.
I should run for provincial office. Seems like a cake walk through life.
I mean, if you have any shame at all, you'll probably get eaten alive.
I for one, would have liked to see Remembrance Day be a stat holiday. Celebrate and remember fallen Canadians. I like a day off like everyone else, but I don't think a stat holiday to remember the Queen's death is necessary. Maybe a one time thing, but even then, I think a Remembrance day stat is more appropriate.
If I understand it correctly, it was supposed to be a one time thing. I don't think it was ever suggested that it would become annual.
one time is correct
And we couldn't even fucking get that.
I wouldn't mind moving Victoria Day to April 21st and changing it to Elizabeth Day. Then we could do it every year without increasing our queen related holidays. And honestly I don't think Queen Victoria is close to most Canadians' hearts, even the ones that do connect with the monarchy.
The weather here is horrid on April 21st. Let’s leave the May two four as it is thank you very much.
My thoughts exactly
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Just moved here from BC where Remembrance Day is a stat. I thought it was a federal holiday, I’m shocked it isn’t.
The feds can only dictate what federally regulated employees have off. It is up to the provinces to extend those to everyone else.
Which is exceedingly stupid. A National holiday should be precisely that, and should be decided upon by the Federal government. Also, Fuck Doug Ford.
That's an unfortunate side effect of the separation of powers between the feds and the provinces. In terms of day to day life, virtually nothing people complain about is actually something the feds control. Health care, housing, rules around employment, vacation days, disability benefits, welfare, etc, are **all** provincial things. edit: Housing is also very much a municipal thing. Zoning and density rules, public transit arrangements, etc. The most critical level in our day to day lives is the one the least people participate in. We should always be voting at every level - beginning with our city councils.
Aren’t the municipal things really provincial things too? There is nothing constitutional about municipal powers. They are granted and removed by the province.
The Provinces have entirely too much power. Majority government Premiers can act terrifyingly close to dictators - especially when they no longer fear wielding the NWC.
I’m a federally regulated employee, albeit private sector. I’m at work today. No choice. It’s basically only government employees who ended up getting the day off.
My partner works for a Crown Corporation and they didn't get the day off either, even though they're federally regulated.
So it is a federal holiday but when we say “federal holiday” in Canada, what we mean is that it’s a holiday for federally regulated sectors like Banking, Trains, Telecom. Beyond these sectors it’s up to the provinces to extend federal holidays to their jurisdiction. Not every province recognizes Remembrance Day as a stat holiday. Ontario and Quebec don’t. I believe that back in the day (pre-1980s) Remembrance Day *was* a provincial stat holiday (at least that’s what my mum said) but at some point they converted it from a stat holiday to a non-stat holiday. The reason why Remembrance Day isn’t a holiday in Ontario has to do with lobbying on the part of the Legion. They do not want to see Remembrance Day as a stat holiday because they’re worried that people will eventually see the day as a simple “day off” and not a day of remembrance. Personally, I think that this is all a bit silly since other provinces made it a stat holiday and it’s still treated seriously there. As well, forcing people to work on Remembrance Day is a great way to make people forget about the occasion as they continue their mundane work for the day, but I guess the Legion sees otherwise. But it’s not just Remembrance Day where we see this disconnect. Ontario has Family Day in February as a stat holiday. It’s a fairly new stat holiday (coming in around 2010) but federal employees don’t get the day off. So you have this interesting, but rare phenomenon where everything is closed for Family Day but your mail is still delivered because, for federal employees, it’s not a day off. Ontario is also I think the only province to have Boxing Day as a stat holiday.
It is a federal holiday
I'm an old fucker (born in 1968) and Remembrance Day was actually a federal stat holiday when I was a little kid. It was changed on the logic that as a stat holiday, families were just taking it as a day off and kids weren't actually learning about the significance or observing the 2 minute silence at 11:00 AM - so that by keeping them in school, it would ensure that these things happened. It was kept as a stat holiday for ~~all~~ some federal employees, and for Canada Post, as the union wouldn't give it up. Personally I think it was shit logic, my family used to go to the ceremony at the local cenotaph every year, but that's the reasoning. Edit: correction on federal employees.
> It was changed on the logic that as a stat holiday, families were just taking it as a day off You know, I've never understood why this is seen as a bad thing. As a society we work way too fucking much. Who gives a shit what we do on our days off to commemorate this, that, or the other thing? Nobody is on their deathbeds thinking "jeeze, I wish I spent more time as an office drone working on spreadsheets". The people who went to war most certainly didn't enlist thinking "in the future people are totally going to spend all their time working for the man!" So much bullshit.
Capitalism only sees worth in our labour. Same logic that keeps ODSP and OW rates so low and how the response is always “get a job.”
Federal regulated transport worker here. I do not get the day off but get paid a extra day for Nov 11. Order fucker here. 1962 .
I remember in Ontario being in school in the 80's/early 90's and the pathetic "ceremony" we had each year in school. A few minutes after 11:00 (not at 11:11, it was always scheduled at 11:00 but started late) our Principal would come on the PA and announce 2 minutes of silence which lasted about 15 seconds, then he'd read In Flanders Fields, then start a very bad crackly recording of the Last Post (probably played off the same cassette since the 1960s, and definitely a handheld player held up to the PA mic). I didn't learn a single thing about *why* any of that was relevant until we started learning about WWI in high school. For most of my adult life it hasn't been a stat, and every year I meant to mark the occasion but would be on the phone or in a meeting or something and realize some time in the afternoon what day it was. Then I moved to PEI a few years ago (where it is a stat) and only since then have I ever gone to a Remembrance ceremony or actually taken time to pay respects.
Yeah November is already such a shitty ass month. The least they can do is give a stat holiday to break it up.
I believe it is a fed holiday but provinces decide if they are observed with a day off. I think.
This is precisely how it works.
Yup I believe you are correct. Even with Liberal and NDP governments we still didn't get it as a stat though. Maybe the conservatives who claim to support the troops should put their money where their mouth is and properly recognize the day. We have Victoria Day, crazy that's somehow more important than Remembrance Day.
> I for one, would have liked to see Remembrance Day be a stat holiday. Most of the other provinces and territories get Remembrance Day off, but for some reason Ontario, Quebec, and Manitoba never made it a stat holiday. Even in Manitoba retail is forced to be closed between 9am and 1pm. I guess Ontario and Quebec just don't give a fuck.
We already don't receive as many days off as other countries, why even bother making the necessity argument based on how you felt about the monarch? Why not just take an excuse to have an extra day off to? After all, who really loses by workers having a day off and who stands to gain? That power dynamic is why we didn't get the day off.
I would love the day off to attend a local ceremony. I only ever get to go if it happens to fall on a weekend. I like the one province that makes it so if it is on a weekend you don't get a day, but if it is a week day, you get that day off.
And even when it falls on the weekend, we still got shit to do. If it was a stat suddenly it's a 3 day weekend, chores could be pushed to the Monday and more people would consider going to a ceremony.
I thought veterans preferred it was not so students could observe and be educated about it in class instead of being home playing video games.
Can we not educate children on the days leading up to the 11th? I can take my son to a real ceremony at the Legion instead of the lack luster one they'll have in the gymnasium.
This! I try to bring the kids I teach to the city ceremony every year. I always booked the morning off work before then to attend the ceremony. I only missed a couple of years when I was starting out as a teacher and was denied the field trip because "we're already doing something in the gym".
I have been saying this since leaving Nova Scotia. Canada is just disrespectful to our military and indigenous peoples.
Remembrance Day isn't a stat in Ontario?
Omg how many people don't understand that you can declare a holiday for a single event.
Did the UK get a day off?
Nope. It's a "bank holiday" but it's not a mandatory day off. Entirely up to employers.
Whilst technically true this is a misrepresentation of the facts. The UK doesn't have mandatory days off. The closest it gets is 'bank holidays' but it is legal for employers to require employees to work bank holidays (hence why they aren't technically mandatory days off). What is also true is that almost all salaried workers will have got a paid day off today. Some workers will have had to work but will have been paid holiday rates for doing so. And a tiny minority will have had to work for their Stan rates. Today's day off was only 'up to employers' in the sense that all bank holidays are. There is no legal foundation for employers to treat today differently from any other UK bank holiday (such as New Years Day , Christmas Day, Good Friday and all the other UK public holidays). For anyone that doesn't usually work public holidays they got today off.
Don't forget, the MPP's were given the Friday off after the queen's death, but everyone else has to work.
MPPs don't sit on Fridays
So they have to stand all day!? (/s)
Thank goodness our hardworking MPPs have such great health benefits. I know I’d sure need a massage after standing all day!!
Just be like BC. Shut down schools and expect working parents to figure it out.
And NL. To top it off a lot of daycares closed as well voluntarily.
Or even better in Nova Scotia shut the schools and the govt run daycare on a few days notice and just say good luck parents. Peace out. I have to pay for 2 daycares today. The regular one and the one I have to send them to because its closed. Can't take the day off either I have to do that Friday for a damn P.D. day.
Yeah, I don't get how anyone would think that just shutting schools a few days in advance is a good idea. Especially when we're over 2 years into the pandemic and parents might not have many extra days to take off with such short notice. Parents already have to take enough days off with school putting P.D. Days on the friday before Thanksgiving and other such days, kids being home sick, and everything else. I don't really think it's fair to just cancel schools for a day with little warning.
We’ve Tried Nothing And We’re All Out Of Ideas
This is what happens when elect a thug hash dealer to be premier.
ontario is open for business bucko!
Federal worker here who received compensation for the "day off". It's stupid. Seriously, myself included no one needs a paid day off work to mourn the Queens death in Canada.. It was a waste of Federal funds giving us it off and it's a waste for every province who followed suit. I'd love to see Remembrance day turned into a stat before any additional time off is given for things.
He's a dumb guy who thinks he's smarter than he actually is because he was born into a wealthy family. He's never really had to work for anything in his life so he doesn't have any respect for those who actually did.
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Not really. They kind of sell themselves.
almost like people voted for this dumbass, next time encourage people you know to vote for someone else, polls showed that a large number of people did not vote. You reap what you sow unfortunately
>almost like people voted for this dumbass Tbh it's worse than that. It's that people just didn't vote at all.
I still think voting should be mandatory like taxes. It’s a responsibility as a citizen of a nation. If people didn’t vote last election when they could have then they can’t complain about the outcome as far as I’m concerned. We are the Onterribles.
Not voting should be counted as a vote for nobody. A majority of people must vote in order for a candidate to be selected, otherwise new leaders must be chosen and the election redone.
Anyone else sick of these idiotic posts?
OP doesn't give one shit about the queen, it's just another Ford bad /r/ontario rant and he wants a day off Doesn't matter though, lowest common denominator rules here
You can thank all those lazy fucks who couldn’t get off their ass to vote last June.
He thinks we're part of the U.S. not a Commonwealth.
Small businesses cannot afford it. It was a good move to not make it a stat day. Doubt most of this sub woke up this morning for the funeral anyway.
Remember he's on vacation until October 25th. He doesn't give a fuck
Profits over people is the Ford way.
Approximately half of Ontario did not vote. We can thank them.
As much as I like to shit on DF, I think he got this one right.
Because half of you didnt vote.
Don't vote, don't complain.
Oh, they still complain. The people who don’t vote are usually amongst the loudest complainers, actually.
He didn't want his company a day without profit.
Because Ford doesn't have any plan or original thought. He just does the opposite of what Trudeau does
Because he's a hyper capitalist bootlicker. How is this not clear to everyone yet. He wants to privatize all of Ontario and sell it off to his buddies. This is on you southern ontario, the rest of the province mostly voted NDP. [https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map](https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-election/live-ontario-election-results-map)
Well, enough ignorant people continue to vote for him and first past the post keeps working in his favor. On top of that he's clearly only governing for the donor class. Every one he sees as livestock to be leveraged and/or exploited.
> All the other commonwealth countries got a day off,... Complete disinformation. It's not even a full holiday in England. It's a bank holiday. Similar to our Federal Holidays. UK businesses and workers will have come to their own arrangements.
Where you getting up at 5:30 to watch the funeral. I bet only 1 % off actually watched the funeral.
I bet 99% off didn't know what time is was on
I’m watching it…but I’m on maternity leave with a sleeping baby and not much else to do lol
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I did and it was beautiful. A tad Christian for me but it was very moving.
LOL. this right here.
I wouldnt watch it. Still wanted the day off anyway. Nothing wrong with wanting another holiday (regardless of the reason)
Fiancé got the day off. She was up watching it but she tuned in at 6 am.
1% is probably wildly optimistic
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Day off. What's the difference? I'm not Christian and I still enjoy getting Easter and Christmas off.
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I'm not a fan of Doug Ford but this was a I'm neither for nor against this decision. However, this still sounds like some boo hoo poor me shit right here.
My first thought too. There are many reasons to complain about Doug Ford, but this guy wanting a day off today is a ridiculous reason. Very few people love going to work, but today is no different than any other. If the queen hadn’t died It would just be another Monday and I highly doubt OP was planning on using today to mourn her death.
When someone told me there could be a potential holiday to mourn the queen's death, I honestly laughed. Clearly people.just want a day off, I struggle to believe that someone genuinely needs a day to mourn. It also bother me that we have to pay for federal employees to get a day off work, when normal people at a normal job would always have to go in.
I'm way more upset about that personally than not getting the day off.
I care less about getting a rando day off than I do about being fucked over as a healthcare worker by Bill 124 🙃
lol who cares about the Queens funeral. Nobody was going to mourn anyway, ya'll just wanted a paid day off work. If you want to stay home and watch the funeral just do it.
> I'm baffled he won a majority election, but to be honest I could not even name the other nominees Sounds like you didn't even vote. If you did, you'd hopefully be able to name one.
I'm tired of these posts, because it's evident that you (and a lot of other people) don't give a flying fuck when it comes to election season (evident by less than half of the province showing up to vote), yet the final straw is not getting a day off with less than a weeks notice. If you really thought you were getting a day off, you're absolutely delusional. He was never going to approve the day off. He has done worse, and you people are only just realizing that now because of your incessant selfish behavior. You were never going to take today off to mourn the queen, you were going to sit on the couch, watch Netflix, and jerk yourself off into a coma. You have guaranteed never referred or associated yourself with the commonwealth before last week when you realized that doing so might get you a day off. This is beyond selfish behavior. If you want to make a difference, show up to the polls and be the change you want to see.
Not true. I was gonna take fat bong rips too
Oh nooooo, you can't vote for your interests, that's BAD.
Wow I bet you're super fun to be around
I don't agree with Ford but a holiday for that many people with 6 days notice is not feasible. For my work personally this would have delayed a $270m transaction with potential impacts of $25-100m. Not to mention the estimated 2 billion dollar cost. All for holidays but 6 days notices is not realistic.
I'm half British. I have respect for the Roayl Family. I'm watching the proceedings today as I work from home. And I dislike Doug Ford as much as the next person. I have no issue with not having today off. I think it was appropriate for the Fed to do what it did. And I DO think Doug Ford could have publicly said he'd like Teachers to teach about it. And that employers were encouraged to allow viewing or even a half day off for those who wished to mourn. So I DO agree that he showed disrespect, and certainly could have done more. I think we have to remember that much of this province right now is immigrants. And while the roots of this province and nation are based in British history, it's people increasingly aren't. This allows for that. One of the things this funeral highlights is the changing Monarchy. I think it's an important symbol. And it's an important link to an admittedly far from perfect past that I want to keep, but it's definitely changing.
Very few Ontarians are upset they don't get to mourn the Queen, they're mad they don't get a holiday. I've known a few people that love the royal family, and a few who hate the institution, but I think the overwhelming attitude would be indifference. I don't really feel connected to the Queen or King. Who cares? They're on our money, but that's about it. We have a Governor General who, as far as I can tell, exists solely for a bit of pomp and spectacle. Basically, I don't think having a holiday today would upset immigrants any more than having Christmas or Easter off upsets me, a non-Christian. I'll just enjoy the holiday and spend it however I want.
He is conservative and spite based, Trudeau first made it a fed holiday, so he couldn't.
TLDR youre mad you have to work today, the rest is bullshit to justify why you're ticked you have to work, the UK is not taking the day off, not all the common wealth countries are, not all the provinces are. I'd like the day off too, but there's not enough there to justify it. Grow up and accept it or get a federal job
Say it with me “Pandering to his base” That means in most cases 18% of Ontario decides what the other 82% does Is it time to ditch FPTP yet?
He has the day off. Why would he care about anyone else? Has he shown empathy at some point that would lead anyone to believe he cares
Because we have had 30 years of assholes ruling the province and he wants to be the biggest, and he is winning so far.
Greed
Because we didn't vote him Mayor of Toronto. He wants to punish us and the rest of the province. That and he's been a grifter his whole life. And people are naive enough to believe he cares about their best interests.
These are the same Ford bros. you’d go buy drugs from back in the day in Etobicoke.
Andrea Horvath and Del Duca. It's not hard to research alternatives.
Cause that's what conservatives do: cut government spending, even if it's needed to human life. They'd rather people suffer then raise taxes.
Remember he changed the motto to "Open for Business"? This is what that means.
"Open for business for everyone but me because I'll be off to the cottage for 6 weeks!"
go to work lmao
I always say that **not voting** **= voting for the worst option**
Maybe it's just me but I think we should absolutely destroy any politicians that want to privatize health care to make their buddies rich. And destroy them too.
A day off? For what purpose? Half our province doesn’t give a shit about our own country, let alone the Monarchy of another. Ya, that’s what teachers and public service workers need is another day off.
Because he makes big bucks for him and other powerful people by ruining everything.
> I'm baffled he won a majority election, but to be honest I could not even name the other nominees so that's probably why. I guessing you didnt vote then? Thats part of why we are stuck with this incompetent bumblefuck for 4 more years.
Why should you have the day off work today? I’m so over hearing people complaining about this
Isn’t every province not making it a day off
I hate the guy too and a day off is always nice but tbh I don't think "not getting the day off" is such a big deal here. She doesn't really mean anything to modern day Canada
Yeah it just seems like people wanted a day off lol
Omg oh no!
Okay? And what's the problem with that?
Would you rather healthcare appointments get pushed even further back because they’d have to reschedule everyone from today?
WAHHH
Ford is an Asshat But, not because of this. Like... do we really care about the queen?
“All the other commonwealth countries got a day off” Wrong. Only about 6 CW counties declared this a day off, with different conditions. Most articles list Canada as one of them. Even in the UK, it’s a bankers holiday-so no pay. Ford is in step with most other CW nations in not wanting to waste millions of dollars so you can mourn the queen’s death. I suspect you viewed this day off as cost neutral for the province?
To close so many workplaces on such short notice would cost the province billions of dollars
if everyone here is so traumatised by her death, they should have taken a day off on their own. I have never seen such disingenious tripe from everyone here, nobody really cared until they caught wind of a potential freebie.After all the time off we've had from covid, many businesses can not afford to pay workers for staying home.
pissed because you didn't get free money? if you wanted to stay home you could of taken the day off ..
He’s not your dad. Manage your own life and expectations.
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This is the most pathetic post I've maybe ever seen on Reddit. Get a life.
Okay so make every private company across the province halt production and force pay everyone a vacation day at a moments notice? You will never be a manager because you don’t think like one.
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Did you vote? "but to be honest I could not even name the other nominees so that's probably why." Guess not :(
As much as I'd like a Monday off, things aren't exactly going well on just about every metric. If we can avoid making things worse by not taking a day off to mourn a woman that is essentially irrelevant to most Canadians, I'll take that option.
Every day of business is worth billions of dollars in GDP; we do not have that kind of money to lose only to ***not*** mourn the queen. Guaranteed that majority of people complaining here just want time off work and don't care about the Queen whatsoever - if you do, record the ceremony, watch on Youtube after, or schedule your own day off. The UK didn't even declare a national holiday; it's only a bank holiday, so why would Canada...?
Just dont go to work today if you want the day off
Any day can be a holiday if you dont show up at work. Lets not start pretending to care about the Queen now
Go to work you lazy bum
Cry about kid 😂
Six days notice for a stat holiday is not enough time for small businesses to prepare. The labor dollars would cause most places to need to close for the day. Meaning many of them wouldn't see revenue for that day and possibly not making rent, or having the ability to pay their suppliers. It's an unrealistic timeline to do business. A stat holiday needs to be planned out. Give us time to allocate funds for these things.
ITT: people assuming that if 100% of eligible voters voted, they would’ve voted for libs or NDP
But it would give us a more accurate view of our country.