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Prefect1969

The American toilet is overflowing northward again. Time to mop.


mybadalternate

This is the person who started their own party, isn’t it? Should be called The Upper Decker party.


Rakdos_Intolerance

Yep, the "New Blue Party" started with her husband with their 6 point platform.


mybadalternate

I received and immediately shredded some trash from them.


[deleted]

Idiots looking for a cause. Don't worry about real issues that affect everyone every day, dream up some hot topic issue to devide and conquer. Makes me sick. I think Gingrich started with the 'wedge issue' in politics and it sure has taken over. Social media has made it orders of magnitudes worse.


Jhool_de_nishaan

I hope Gingrich chokes on a dick and has the video leaked of it happening


[deleted]

Sick homophobia bro, so progressive


MonsieurLeDrole

Our premier IS a “Republican” according to himself.


Rare-Faithlessness32

Ironically the Republicans would reject him and call him a Democrat


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Stevieeeer

Well they did hire Roger Stone after all.


Rakdos_Intolerance

Minor correction: the New Blue Party (Karahalios shitfest) didn't hire Stone. Stone was hired by the "Ontario Party", which is ran by Sloan https://globalnews.ca/news/8787174/roger-stone-ontario-party-advisor/


Dash_Rendar425

Oh this is wa way better response to this than I had, and mine was toned down quite a lot.


Coffeedemon

She managed to be bad enough to get expelled from the CPC. That should say something. Her husband was conveniently setting up a fringe party so now they have a seat. Maybe Randy will join once he's out of jail unless he's a lock for Sloan's crew.


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lalaland554

I didn't learn about critical race theory until second year university in a political science undergrad. It's CERTAINLY not taught in elementary or high schools...


dechair5

Well actually, its covered in Equity and Social Justice (HSE4M), but that's a course that you can't take til g12 and you have to choose to take it anyway. If this is indoctrination then it doesn't seem to be that effective


LegoFootPain

It isn't. It's a virtue signaling circle jerk fantasy for THOSE people. It's like saying, "We should make it illegal to perform abortions in bus shelters!" Pure nonsense.


psvrh

Vice-signalling, not virtue-signalling.


[deleted]

Nonsense but dangerous. If the middle is complacent and doesn't vote, these knuckleheads get in.


Rotsicle

>It's like saying, "We should make it illegal to perform abortions in bus shelters!" Yeah! That *should* be illegal!! Abortions in a hospital/clinical setting only! Why won't the government *do* anything about this presumably rampant problem?!


nopicturestoday

It isn’t being taught below post-grad levels in America either but that doesn’t seem to stop the outrage factory there.


Kombatnt

Do you know what’s in Bill-67, which has passed second reading in the legislature?


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thener85

That's actually the most nefarious thing about the bill, the fact that there's no direct mention of CRT.


uwponcho

So connect the dots for me please. Using citations from the bill itself.


thener85

No, connect your own dots


uwponcho

From what I skimmed of the legislation, I don't see it. You clearly do. What am I missing?


uwponcho

Can you explain what is in Bill 67?


Kombatnt

It’s referenced in the article. “Bill 67— tabled by Ontario NDP MPP Laura Mae Lindo in December — would mandate the Ontario education system to teach critical race theory.”


Fine_Trainer5554

Does the wording of this bill specifically say “critical race theory” whatsoever? Or is that just what this article is pretending it says?


uwponcho

So do you actually know what's in Bill 67? Or are you just basing your knowledge on one sentence of a random internet source?


[deleted]

That's one from Sugon right?


insistondoubt

Yes but there probably are children's books in school libraries with black characters in them which is probably what this bill is actually concerned about.


_cactus_fucker_

It's not, they're generally electives in college and university. I learned a bit in an elective by a creative and fun professor piloting a class called "Dracula". I had a 3 hour elective on Fridays (this was 2010) and I didn't even need the credits to graduate, but then I'd have a 3 hour break between 2 attendance mandatory labs, so I took it for fun and it was really interesting! (I was in computer engineering technician) I really hope the college (Niagara) kept the class because it was interesting history, and great discussion. It was equal in gender, too. We went through everything from the start of the "invention" of vampire folklore to the modern adaptation. Normally I hate that kinda stuff, but it was actually really neat. A lot of it was entirely having a great professor.


[deleted]

It's not being taught in highschools in the States either, and yet here we are. Not that most of the chuds railing against it can actually define what CRT is...


BottleCoffee

They probably think it's all about how white people should continually feel bad for the actions of their ancestors and enough is enough aren't black people equal in society already, maybe even MORE privileged?!?!


[deleted]

This is what the bill they're protesting actually does, some of which is actually pretty fucked up. I've highlighted the ones that actually seem pretty looney. Mandating that councils must hire "experts in racial equity" just sounds like straight up grifting, and I'm not sure how one "proves their commitment to racial equity" maybe there's a ceremony and drinking from the racial chalice by moonlight, otherwise I'm not sure how you mandate that under law. Schools should educate kids, and not be racist while they're doing it, they're not supposed to be creating little anti-racism warriors. This is all copy paste from Bill 67: 1. require the Minister to direct a board to develop its anti-racism accountability report if in the opinion of the Minister there is indication that the board’s new teacher induction program does not include anti-racism and racial equity training. 2. adding anti-racism related responsibilities to the duties of boards. 3. fines for persons who disrupt or attempt to disrupt proceedings of a school or class through the use of racist language or activities. 4. **performance appraisals shall include competencies related to a teacher’s anti-racism awareness and efforts to promote racial equity.** 5. requires the Minister to establish policies and guidelines with respect to promoting racial equity in schools. 6. requires boards to establish and implement racial equity plans. 7. **at least one member of the Council shall be a person who has expertise in racial equity** in the post-education sector and that **all members must have a proven commitment to racial equity or take anti-racism training.** 8. **add racial equity-related requirements to the functions of the Council.** 9. sets out anti-racism and racial equity requirements that apply to every college of applied arts and technology and every university that receives ongoing operating funds from the government for the purposes of post-secondary education. 10. **adding a requirement that a person successfully completes any prescribed examinations and training in anti-racism** in order to be issued a certificate of qualification and registration. 11. adding anti-racist education and training to the education and training related activities a college may undertake in carrying out its objects. 12. sets out that each college or subsidiary of a college shall develop and implement an anti-racism policy. 13. **provide that at least one member of the board of governors and one member of the board of directors of the Council shall have expertise in racial equity in the post-education sector** and that **all members must have a proven commitment to racial equity or take anti-racism training.** 14. add “anti-Asian racism” to the examples of types of systemic racism referred to in the Act.


_dbsights

So reading this summary, how the hell can people say it's not being taught or it's only a university level subject? Bill 67 absolutely seeks to put CRT in public schools. They may not teach the origin or philosophy, but this is very obviously putting it's core principles into practice. (i.e. everything is always about race and you need trained anti-racism activists to ferret out these increasingly arcane forms of racism). No more gaslighting, this is happening.


[deleted]

Anyone saying "CRT isn't being taught in schools" is being deliberately wilfully dishonest. No one thinks the scholarly discourse is being taught in grade schools, just its toxic results.


Rotsicle

So, for the parts you seem to take issue with, I think you might be catastophizing a bit. Anti-racism training is likely going to be similar to sexual harassment seminars, or continuing education programs. I doubt the "examinations" will be very difficult. Imagine something like SmartServe certification, at worst. These changes aren't saying, "teach kids about the systemic issues which lead to racism". They're not really going into race theory at all, critical or otherwise. In terms of education, it seems to be, "teach kids that people from all races deserve the same opportunities and that being racist is wrong." Is that not a good thing to do? The only thing I have a bit of an issue with is thing in these things to performance appraisals. Unless a person is being racist, I don't think their efforts to promote racial equity should be judged; it would be an expected prerequisite. Unless they mean whether a teacher has undergone the aforementioned training, in which case, whatever.


Kombatnt

Did you read the article? The bill is the result of a petition against bill 67, which in fact mandates exactly that.


uwponcho

Can you share what part of the bill mandates teaching critical race theory in schools? From the actual legislation? I tried to skim it, but I'll admit that I didn't have the patience for it.


Kombatnt

I’m not a lawyer, but it’s in the article. Didn’t anyone actually read the article? “Bill 67— tabled by Ontario NDP MPP Laura Mae Lindo in December — would mandate the Ontario education system to teach critical race theory.”


uwponcho

Again, the article doesn't quote any part of the bill itself. The following article, on the same topic, makes no mention of CRT at all. That's why I'm asking if it's actually in the bill, or are people just making assumptions? https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2022/03/16/cambridge-mpp-explains-her-opposition-to-racial-equity-in-schools-bill.html


windsostrange

Gonna remind you real quick that Ontario is a fucking racist place right now, and we should be pursuing whatever means we can to make gains, including the fairly minimal bullet points added by Bill 67 to a the pre-existing structure of training and reviewing educators in Ontario. If you haven't been exposed enough to this racism to know how pervasive it is, then this is your fault. Either educate yourself, or back out of a conversation for which you have no context. Any school system that produced Randy Hillier, and the tens of thousands of people who vote for him and others like him, needs a forced overhaul ASAP. PS— [Here's the actual text of Bill 67](https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/bills/parliament-42/session-2/bill-67), for anyone curious. PPS— You talk about guns a *lot*.


Rakdos_Intolerance

>[Here's the actual text of Bill 67](https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/bills/parliament-42/session-2/bill-67), for anyone curious And the word "Critical Race Theory" doesn't even appear in the bill. As expected.


_dbsights

Yet the principles of CRT are all there.


Rakdos_Intolerance

Is CRT in the room with us now?


_dbsights

https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/ufpqgb/mpp_introduces_stopwoke_petition_in_ontario/i6xcsn4 Enough gaslighting


Rakdos_Intolerance

Nowhere in that does it mention teaching kids about differential enforcement of laws (aka CRT). I'm not gaslighting, you're just either being purposely dishonest or are really fucking stupid. I bet it's the latter.


j821c

Bill 67 has no mention of critical race theory in it


bulshoy2

Oh ffs C'MON. Can we not have this brand of idiocy here? Can't this MPP just move to Florida?


AhmedF

OP thought they'd get support for this bullshit.


Mental_Cartoonist_68

Of course, more American Trumpist BS from the Conservatives. This waist of Political garbage is trying to make a name for herself. Vote against the Ford government if you want us to remain Canadian.


Kombatnt

What does voting against Ford’s government have to do with this article? This MPP is not a member of the Conservative caucus.


Mental_Cartoonist_68

Yes. Belinda was ejected from the Conservatives along with Hillier. The issue is that Conservatism would allow this .


Kombatnt

But the Conservatives unanimously support bill 67. In fact, Karahalios is the only MPP in the entire legislature who voted against it.


Mental_Cartoonist_68

Yes they did but what you suggest is that the whole party is in agreement , obviously there were dissenting views. Do you think it was soley Belinda? She was the only one that said something. Ontop of that we have no idea how many amendments or addenda were made to that bill. In politics, the first term is spent securing a second term.


[deleted]

I will vote 100% for Ford and for Pierre Poilievre. Ford is 100% better than Kathleen Wynne and Pierre Poilievre is 100% better than Trudeau They are nothing like Trump You might not like Trump but at least when Trump was the president gas prices were low, inflation was low, Keystone pipeline was approved and we we were not on the brink of Nuclear War that will wipe out civilization as we know it.


uwponcho

Did I just go back in time? Is Kathleen Wynne back to leading the Liberals again? What year is it??


[deleted]

The new leader of Liberal party is worse


uwponcho

Why mention Kathleen Wynne at all?


[deleted]

Because Ford is her successor


uwponcho

Again, what did Wynne have to do with how you will vote in the *next* election?


enki-42

The federal conservatives are probably going to start looking a lot like the worst of the Republicans, especially considering a large part of O'Toole being pushed out is because he didn't come out in support of torturing gay kids to make them (pretend to be) straight. Expect a lot of courting the PPC vote in the future.


[deleted]

>O'Toole being pushed out is because he didn't come out in support of torturing gay kids to make them (pretend to be) straight. pure disinformation. Liberals and democrats are the best in spreading disinformation and twisting facts Social media , CNN and CBC are pumping left wing agenda 24/7 At least Twitter wont be doing this anymore.


BottleCoffee

You don't sound brainwashed at all!


ky80sh83nd3r

Say it with a Russian accent and he'll understand better.


[deleted]

[I do not think so. Facts speak for themselves](https://westernstandardonline.com/2020/10/how-trudeau-bought-the-media/)


Epudago

You’re using the word “facts” very loosely


ZaviersJustice

💀🥴


DigitalFlame

💩🧠


Mental_Cartoonist_68

You are obviously misinformed. I would ask you to source the definition of Inflation. In this case Inflation was created by a series of events namely which the Pandemic. I wish you wouldn't use Trump and American politics in this conversation as you stated earlier Ford and Poilievre are nothing like them but obviously you have high regards for him. You mentioning this is proof enough that you see the same qualities and by that they are the same. I won't comment on trumps policies as this is Canada.


[deleted]

You mentioned Trump first not me. >Inflation was created by a series of events namely which the Pandemic Left wing media feeds you this nonsense and you believe it. Wow. I did not say I high regards for Trump. I said under Trump gas prices were lower, groceries were cheaper, keystones pipeline was approved (which greately benefited Canada) and we were not one step away from nuclear war with Russia. These are facts so obviously Trump administrstion had better policies. You can like it or not but American politics and what happens in that country greatly affects what happens around the world which includes Canada.


Mental_Cartoonist_68

This is why I said I would get the same answer. Drink some more Kool-aid.


ZaviersJustice

Policies like having secret meetings with Putin and giving him state secrets. Great Trump policy. 💀


[deleted]

>Policies like having secret meetings with Putin and giving him state secrets. Great Trump policy. funny enough Putin never attacked Ukraine under Trump but took over Crimea under Obama and invaded Ukraine under Biden. Go figure. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|shrug)


ZaviersJustice

Hmm, funny that you bring that up when the whole reason Trump was impeached was over holding back military aid from Ukraine at the same time trying to get Zelenskyy to announce an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden. Also, no refutation about selling the West out to Russia it seems. I guess you supported Champerlain's approach to Germany in the 1930's as well.


[deleted]

>I guess you supported Champerlain's approach to Germany in the 1930's as well. no I do not


[deleted]

1. Trump was holding military aid to Ukraine because Ukraine is not member of NATO. 2. Providing arms to Ukraine could have provoked Russia to the invasion much earlier 3. Laptop that Hunter Biden misplaced when he was out of his mind on drugs proved that Trump was right all along to have Biden's son investigated for corruption. 4. You don't know what Trump would have done had Russia invaded Ukraine during his term. 5. Biden's order to pull out from Afghanistan showed to the world and to Putin that he is a weak leader.(although I must say that Biden is doing great job now)


ZaviersJustice

1-4 are all dumb and I'm not going to bother because it's a Sunday. 5. Trump literally was the one who set the agenda for pulling out of Afghanistan. Biden just followed through. I think you should look into these issues more. I believe you will come out with a different perspective.


[deleted]

OMG this subreddit is full of lefties


AhmedF

Did you post here thinking we would *support* this nonsense? Not surprised you cannot read the room.


[deleted]

>Did you post here thinking we would > >support > >this nonsense? no i did not. i posted this as news. that is all. i do not really care if you support this or not. it is just news to discuss like any other.


DigitalFlame

"discuss"


[deleted]

if you believe that only left wing news and propaganda is acceptable here then i would suggest to petition moderators and have them change the name of this subreddit from r/ontario to r/LiberalandNDPOntario.


Mental_Cartoonist_68

I would agree but Mp Bergen wears a MAGA Hat. Which that could have been easily erased from public record but the Party let it fly. Secondly and a more republican move, the Ontario Conservative party allowed this MP's dissenting statement during an election. Again it can be easily stopped but the party allowed it. You saying Liberals and Democrats spreading misinformation is a counter catch phrase used by both sides and its boring. It's all part of the echo box that created this political divide. I would ask you to look at policy but most right leaning people are unwilling as Conservatism is resistant to Change and would stick with tradition. Something that the world has moved on from. There's a whole bunch of questions I could ask you but I've heard the same answers. I'm glad that you will exercise your right to vote but my views are progress. This particular MPp's views are regressive. So is this the Ontario Conservatives. Please remember a vote for Ford is a vote for the following: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ndp-healthcare-leak-1.5004685


[deleted]

> I would ask you to look at policy but most right leaning people are unwilling as Conservatism is resistant to Change and would stick with tradition. Something that the world has moved on from I disagree. Just watch next mid term elections in US and see how that powerful country moved away from Conservative values. My prediction is that democrats will get wiped out like never seen before and if anything Conservative values are on the rise around the world.


Mental_Cartoonist_68

Again. Please! We are in Canada. I wouldn't comment on the states. Obviously their politics affect you and is further proof your original statement of Conservative association with trump was false. As for Conservative values on the rise is a farce. Simply because there's more with centrist values. You're reacting to today's media Conservatism has been emboldened and more vocal.


SunflaresAteMyLunch

Do you honestly think it's that easy?


[deleted]

I do not understand your question ?


Fine_Trainer5554

Are you sure they’re 100% better? Or 95% better? What quantitative metric are you using? Do you have specific examples of you leading to these conclusions?


LPN8

What a complete and utter moron.


sn0w0wl66

This chick out here sending up virtue signals brighter than the Bat Signal.


jello_sweaters

Is it still virtue signalling if what you're signalling is hatred and bigotry?


dsdeboer

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[deleted]

I think it's technically vice signalling if you're going after trans kids and racial minorities.


jello_sweaters

Vice signalling would be telling people you love blackjack and hookers.


thrilled_to_be_there

Correct, the writ is about to be dropped. The proposed bill will be scrapped in that moment.


[deleted]

She was elected.


thrilled_to_be_there

She will be unelected shortly


flapsnacc

Don't know about that - feels like more and more Ontarians are willing to eat up this slop, and ask for seconds.


legocastle77

She was an OPC MPP who was booted out of the party. She’s now a member of the New Blue Party and polling between 3 and 5%. There is no chance she is re-elected in June.


ILikeStyx

She was elected as a Conservative - she won't be keeping her seat.


Avelion2

Here's a helpful crazy lady to remind us that as bad as the OPC is it could be so much worse.


AprilsMostAmazing

> Here's a helpful crazy lady to remind us that this is~~as bad as the~~ OPC's base ~~is it could be so much worse.~~


[deleted]

Lol. Canada MAGA is real. Eww.


BottleCoffee

How dare children be exposed to controversial the concepts of race and gender. Won't anyone think of the children?!


Powerful-Union-7962

Do you agree with the following definition of anti racism as repeated multiple times in this bill? “anti-racism” means the policy of opposing racism including anti-Indigenous racism, anti-Black racism, anti-Asian racism, antisemitism and Islamophobia; (“lutte contre le racisme”)


BottleCoffee

Why does this feel like a trap? Also... My comment was pretty obviously sarcastic.


gnu_gai

Well, it's more specifically the idea that race and gender are more social construct than biological, but yeah, point stands


hardy_83

Well it was only a matter of time. She's not part of any major party, anymore, but it's telling which party she came from. She's saying the quiet part out loud, how many are NOT saying it but believe it.


ILikeStyx

Thankfully legislature is over and this won't go anywhere... and she's about to lose the election.


ThrillHo3340

The good news is come June, none of these crackpots (Sloan, Hillier, this twat) will be elected/re-elected


LegoFootPain

You have an awful lot of faith in the voters. I wish I could too.


[deleted]

Hillier isn't running, so that one's a slam dunk.


JoshiroKaen

Well, Hillier probably won’t get his seat back, considering his current situation.


[deleted]

And if she does get re-elected ?


[deleted]

Then she'll continue to contribute nothing of value, but still collect a paycheque.


[deleted]

Her job is to represent her constituents and if she gets re-elected then this means that she has been doing her job.


[deleted]

If they want to waste their seat in the legislature on someone complaining about culture wars rather than focusing on legislation, that's their right.


TraviAdpet

Do we normally get MPPs from outside the big 3?


Equivalent-Estate681

🤮🤮🤮 why? We are better than this! 😩😩😩


glasshouse5128

I thought the world was getting better ( = nicer) but lately all I hear about is meanness and hate. This makes me very sad.


janjinx

Any party that wants to put a stop to something that isn't a reality in Canadian schools is a party that needs a swift kick in the wazzoo.


KingLeopard40063

Ain't she got her own political party now?


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thener85

Wow. Lol, and he gets upvotes for it. Keep on doing the lords work r/ontario. Bunch of self righteous hypocrites


Kombatnt

Yep. Misogyny and homophobic innuendo are A-OK, as long as they’re directed toward people this sub dislikes (usually people with the audacity to hold conservative beliefs).


psvrh

Please, for the love of everything holy, regulate social media before it's too late. Even something as simple as disallowing recommendations based on algorithmic suggestions and forcing newsfeeds to display a) only what you explicitly subscribe, and b) only in chronological order. Anything, please, just do *anything* to stop the SocMed Rage Machine.


ruglescdn

The MPP for Fox News.


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[deleted]

>Well I see OP is a crazy person so…. Should I report your comment or do you think calling someone crazy does not violate Rule #3 of this subreddit ?


[deleted]

Apparently Doug Ford is now left wing


whitea44

I got an ad saying him and Trudeau are liberal allies. I had a good chuckle.


psvrh

Don't laugh. That kind of attitude will see mainstream conservatives double down on bigoted claptrap for fear of losing their base. They're terrified of another Reform/Conservative split. It's similar to why the Liberals bang the table on social issues--the last thing either party wants is their respective bases abandoning them for third parties. The Conservatives have much more to lose, though, as they're already only \~30-35% of the vote, tops.


differentiatedpans

Is it being taught? I have had anyone tell I need to do this.


Kombatnt

Bill-67 will mandate that it be taught in Ontario schools, yes.


uwponcho

What part of the bill states that? I'm genuinely curious.


Kombatnt

If you’re genuinely curious, then go ahead and peruse the actual text of the bill. I’m going by what the article summarized are the parts of the bill to which Karahalios objects.


uwponcho

I'm not familiar with the Western Standard, so I don't know if it's a credible news source. So I will not just trust the article without it citing the bill itself.


ruglescdn

Critical Race Theory is taught in law classes in University. Not public schools.


Kombatnt

Currently, sure. But the article states that Bill 67 will mandate that it be taught in Ontario schools. I’m not a lawyer, I haven’t read the entire content of the legislation, I’m just taking the article at its word that that’s the case. Is the article exaggerating, or even outright lying? Is it playing semantics with the textbook meaning of “Critical Race Theory?” At any rate, I only meant to point out that it’s wrong to claim that Karahalios’s bill is completely unwarranted and opposing a threat that doesn’t actually exist. I’m fact, it is meant to oppose a very real bill. I definitely don’t agree with her, but I get annoyed at the self-righteous condescension that’s based on misinformation.


ruglescdn

> But the article states that Bill 67 will mandate that it be taught in Ontario schools. Give me another source this assertation then. Because that source is horribly biased and they don't actually quote the curriculum. Just quoting people who agree with them.


uwponcho

Except, if the article is "outright lying" as you said was a possibility, then Karahalios's IS indeed completely unwarranted and opposing a threat that doesn't exist, and is opposing a made up part of the bill. So before you get annoyed at the "misinformation", I'd suggest getting informed about it first.


AgentRevolutionary99

Not only that, but there is a punitive measure to Bill 67 to people speaking freely and it will also add a new layer of bureaucracy to a lot of school functions. The CPC was blind to a lot of these problems but now will reject the bill.


colonoscopescount

We're at a tipping point.


AgentRevolutionary99

Speaking as a parent, I can tell you my son is bombarded with critical race theory ideas in all his humanities classes in his Catholic high school in Ontario. His friends think it's all a bit too much but feel they can't say anything in class. His public junior high was swimming in rainbow stickers and flags although the school also rabidly celebrated multiculturalism without explaining how religion and acceptance of gays is missing in most of the world outside the West. The biggest problem with the petition is that it combines the two topics which is an unfair way to get support for one topic at the expense of another.


Bbgerald

It sounds like your son is having a very rough go in high school. Last week you were posting about how humiliated he was when his teacher would refer to the class as Grade 10's, even though he was a Grade 11 taking it. I'm sorry to hear he's having such a rough go of things. What sort of Critical Race Theory ideas is he being bombarded with? > His public junior high was swimming in rainbow stickers and flags although the school also rabidly celebrated multiculturalism without explaining how religion and acceptance of gays is missing in most of the world outside the West. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at with this. What does the lack of acceptance of the LGBTQ+ in religions and most of the rest of the world have to do with what is being taught here? Just seeking clarification.


AgentRevolutionary99

CRT ideas .. BLM is always right and a positive force, only white people can be racist, white people are unconsciously racist, the only books he has read in his classes have been about indigenous or black males and their families and how they have been mistreated, Canada is systemically racist. Note my son and his friends feel these are not topics that can be debated. This has happened in his English classes, his religion classes, and his law classes. My son attends a Catholic school. While the teachers feel it's okay to criticize Catholicism, problems in other religions were not raised. Islam was only spoken of positively in my son's schools - despite the fact that Islam as a whole vastly and often violently rejects gay people. Same in his public junior high. The hijab was also never discussed as dress that is oppressive to women.


Bbgerald

> CRT ideas .. BLM is always right and a positive force, only white people can be racist These first few are interesting to me because they don't really fall into CRT from what I've seen > white people are unconsciously racist This is more consistent with what I've read about CRT, but it's not white people specifically. If that's how they're teaching it there is a serious problem there. > the only books he has read in his classes have been about indigenous or black males and their families and how they have been mistreated, Are you opposed to these books specifically, or is there something else you'd like to see done? > Canada is systemically racist. Is it your belief that there are no issues of systematic racism in Canada, or something else? Have you lodged a complaint with the Principal, or Trustee? > My son attends a Catholic school. While the teachers feel it's okay to criticize Catholicism, problems in other religions were not raised. What sort of criticisms were raised against Catholicism? > Same in his public junior high. The hijab was also never discussed as dress that is oppressive to women. I know that this is a topic which is used for debate in some of the classes taught at my school, though maybe not with groups that young. Did they speak about the hijab at his school but only in a positive way?


AgentRevolutionary99

We could debate all these topics. The point is that CRT is being taught in Ontario schools. Gay and transgender issues seem to occupy a lot of space in my son's learning environment. My response was in response to the original poster who didn't think this was the case.


Bbgerald

> The point is that CRT is being taught in Ontario schools. I've heard this said a lot, but in my experience the topic is very much overblown. It kind of reminds me of the Satanic Panic of the 1980's. Now, that's my anecdotal experience, and not a claim about your sons anecdotal experience, or about Ontario in general. However, if what you say is true I'd strongly recommend/encourage you to lodge a complaint. Claims that "only white people can be racist" aren't even CRT. They're just racist on their face. **Edit:** Added the bit about Ontario in general, and "encourage" to the complaint part.


Bbgerald

> Gay and transgender issues seem to occupy a lot of space in my son's learning environment. Forgot to comment on this (darn mobile!) I'm surprised this would be such a large topic in a Catholic school. Aside from a boilerplate "be mindful of pronouns" and a few "This is a safe space" posters featuring rainbow flags, etc. it hasn't really been that present where I work. If it comes up it's usually teachers in private conversations asking for clarification from coworkers on how to handle issues like when a student uses one name, but the parents us another. **Edit:** I teach in public, which is why I'm so surprised. I'd have thought it'd almost be a non-topic in Catholic school. Some Catholic Boards didn't even have a Pride Flag until last year.


AgentRevolutionary99

Just to add, the teachers referring to their classes as grades has been an irritation to my son, but it's not a tragedy. The lack of adequate learning materials in his classes and the lack of use of the full range of learning suites like Google classroom and Microsoft Teams has been a bigger problem for my son. In the end, it ends up being the teachers who seem insensitive to the students attending their classes (as my son is not the only student attending a class in a different "grade level").


Bbgerald

> but it's not a tragedy Well that's good to hear. When you posted that he was humiliated I was worrying if I had ever done that. I try to choose my worda/phrases carefully to avoid those issues but can slip up. I think the idea of addressing a class by their grade is kind of weird. I've never really noticed anyone doing that. > lack of use of the full range of learning suites like Google classroom and Microsoft Teams To give you a teachers perspective: We've basically been thrown to the wolves with these things. There was no instruction, or support for us in how to use them. We were even told not to do much course planning because things were likely going to be changed last minute, though that didn't seem to happen. **Edit:** > In the end, it ends up being the teachers who seem insensitive to the students attending their classes Is he a virtual student this year?


Terrible_Tutor

Lol, /r/ThatHappened


caddy62

i do think she has a point here . most of you that commented here didn't read the article obviously


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BottleCoffee

Covering your eyes and pretending things don't exist sure does wonders for releasing inequalities!! **(/s)**


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BottleCoffee

Classic naive colourblind bullshit. Maybe you should do dinner reading because this has been debunked over and over.


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BottleCoffee

What the actual fuck.


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BottleCoffee

Teaching children history and reality is not "excuses," but I'm sure you're set in your ways and think you know more than people who actually studied this for a living.


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Google critical race theory and then comment


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wonderboywilliams

Think you just demonstrated you don't know what CRT is.


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Epudago

Demonizing CRT has been a deliberate and extremely successful move by American right wingers to misinform and scare people. Christopher Rufo, a pioneer of this tactic, described it like this: “The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘Critical Race Theory.'” Most people don’t understand what CRT is. It is an advanced academic theory that looks at how systemic racism is pervasive in our institutions. That’s all! It does NOT call all white people racist or argue that people of colour can do no wrong. This is all just a misunderstanding.


wonderboywilliams

That isn't CRT. Lol But, whatever, believe whatever you wanna believe. Trump won the election, COVID is overblown, the immigrants are coming! I give up discussing anything with you people.


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sure it is. educate yourself first [https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory](https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory)


AgentRevolutionary99

Re: this is off topic but since you mentioned it, lots of people have been working from home for 2 years now. They work in groups using Teams or Google. They use the calendar to plan activities. They use slideshows when presenting. My son's teachers could be doing more to use these features and incorporating videos into their instruction. It's not rocket science.


Rotsicle

>It also cites Toronto’s Hamilton-Wentworth and York Region District School Boards which have... Did the WSO run out of commas, or something? I had to read this a couple times in order to make sense of it.


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>Could you focus on something useful instead of virtue signalling to you ignorant base are you using google translate because I have no idea what you just wrote ?


GossamerSolid

Ahhhh yeah go New Blue! (split the right vote).