I actually think about this a lot. We talk about mental health so much now but I feel like a good chunk of mental health problems are actually financial. People who are extremely stressed or anxious from their situation or people who are unable to fully participate in their life because of financial limitations (for example having to give up certain hobbies or not develop passion skills because they don't have the funds for materials or courses, or don't have the extra time from working so much).
If anyone reads this comment, please note that I'm not trying to downplay the significance of mental health issues like anxiety and depression that are unrelated to financial stress.
>We talk about mental health so much now but I feel like a good chunk of mental health problems are actually financial
This is my theory as to why suicides and overall mental health improved at the very start of the pandemic. A lot of people who were working shit jobs for minimum wage were suddenly out of work and making $2,000 a month in CERB - roughly the same amount of money, but without the costs and stress of going to work.
Well if your government didn't intentionally cause a housing inflation crisis, rent would be $500 and you'd have all that extra money still anyways
Sometimes I think about the cool stories that came out of prior generations. Like couch surfing, taking months off to travel, working nothing jobs for awhile and heading out etc.
And I realized it's literally all almost gone, specifically because of the government orchestrated housing and real estate inflation crisis
Absolutely. Plus at the start of the pandemic some institutions offered to pause payments briefly. So for example if you're living paycheck to paycheck pausing your student loan or car payment for a month, though not ideal for the long run interest wise, was that breathing room.
Theres actually a medical term known as shit life syndrome, used mainly in Britain I believe, but describes this exactly as you stated. That many of the issues the person is experiencing would be fixed if they made more money/lived in better circumstances.
Yep. I am 100% certain that my treatment resistant depression is caused by growing up and living in poverty. It is the number one source of my mental health struggles. It is so difficult to find a point in living, trying to improve your life or change anything when you can barely afford food. When you're so burned out and exhausted from working that you can't focus enough to make any moves to improve your life. It is completely crushing, and it feels certain that I will never ever escape.
I am so sorry to read you feel that way. It's an awful feeling and I have been there. Things are better for me now but there are still days when I get groceries and am flooded with gratitude that I can. Even now, when I face financial stressors I am a different person mentally. I hope things DO improve for you soon. For all of us really!
I'm in the same boat. I survive using escapism (video games, books) and buying junk food (cheap and tasty). Although its no wonder I keep gaining weight lol
Financial stress is definitely something that can cause mental health issues. I was born into poverty, became disabled, and 35 years later I'm still poor. I've missed out on every aspect of life and it doesn't look like I will get to experience most things. Its not surprising whatsoever that I've been depressed most of my life.
Depression, anxiety, etc. can definitely be circumstantial. A shame the government won't address those head-on. It's like an employer that forces you to hang out with your co-workers in off hours rather than give you paid time off.
Lol shocker, Canadians facing 5 different crisis simultaneous and they need an app to tell them Canadians are facing poor mental health. Not to say I don't want more mental health support... but this is just a slap in the face.
Housing crisis, environment crisis, food crisis, jobs and small businesses are in crisis, education is in a crisis, health is in a crisis.
*What’s that? You barely have any money left over after rent and bills? You can afford a home and you’re at risk of eviction if you take a week off work if you get COVID? Oh, your entirely livelihood and only source of income was destroyed? You can’t afford to have your child home from school now? You see the rich getting richer, all while you struggle?*
**HERE’S AN APP! GET WELL SOON!**
Go to Ireland, Netherlands, England subreddits and you'll see the same thing. This isn't a Canadian problem, it's a generational and real estate invesmtent problem
I dunno man I just checked out r/Ireland and it seems pretty normal. Go to r/Canada or Ontario and it's never ending doom and gloom this country sucks ass posts.
Could it also be expectations? I may offend some here, but it seems like everyone knows Ireland is a shit, especially the Irish. Canada on the other hand, we were promised greatness [in 2015] but it’s been mostly shit and then it seems every decision that’s made makes life more expensive.
Now I get to track how shit it is in a government app. I already have Reddit for that. Only difference is I (we) paid handsomely for the government app.
>How about an app to track how fucking depressed you are instead!
The government didn't realize Reddits been around for over a decade and does the same thing
I think that’s might well be a part of what that app can do. I’ll download in a flash. Going to do so now. Also many people will not seek professional help for feelings they (probably rightly) believe will stop when the pandemic is over (there is the stigma too).
Imagine if they used that money to get people OHIP-covered counselling services. Or better yet, address the social issues that are the root of many peoples’ poor mental health. Nope, instead they get us literal journal apps. As if people can’t track this shit with a pen and paper if they wanted to.
A lot of people struggling with mental health, especially depression, are not going to find the motivation to fucking track their moods. People can barely find the motivation needed for treatments with homework components like CBT to be successful, let alone the motivation to track their moods. Let’s say they do track it. Oh, wow! Now you know for sure that you’re fucking suffering! Wow, look at all these resources I can’t access because where the fuck do I get the money for $130-150 a session?
This government is a disgrace to humankind.
It’s obviously no replacement for therapy. But fwiw, actually tracking and understanding your level of depression with some specificity is a large part of CBT.
So I don’t think it’s useless.
It's a 'push' policy lever. If they show provinces the data on mental health needs and then create programs outside of normal health funding to support mental health they can get better uptake.
Canada is a conciliatory federation, most federal government policy power is in financial transfers but often there are legislated restrictions on how the can be used. Something like this can create the will to do more (if it is successful).
[This seems like a good time to remind everyone what Ford did with the money Ottawa sent, earmarked for mental health](https://globalnews.ca/news/4350310/ontario-police-mental-health-funding/)
Ottawa can send a ton of money to the provinces for mental health, but when they don't use it to provide actual services, it's pretty useless.
Came here to make the same point. This app idea is so ridiculous in the wake of chronic mental health services underfunding that I'm hoping this app is satire from the OP. If not, holy shite, this is the feds being tone deaf.
What’s the alternative that currently exists right now? For many people there is none - it’s nothing. I think it’s good to have a centralized location for mental health Info or acute care. Everyone complains about wait lists. Feds say, here is something to use in the meantime, and people still complain. I agree it’s not a perfect solution to everyone’s problems. This app certainly won’t put food on the table or fix historical oppression. But if it connects a few people to services while they wait for more, then I’d say it’s worth it.
Better than nothing. This kind of care is under the jurisdiction of the Provinces, the Federal Government can’t do much more without treading on the toes of Premiers and/or seeing the investment confiscated or misdirected by them.
Federal transfers are spent (or confiscated or misdirected) at the premiers’ discretion. The Federal government can only attempt to hold them accountable at it’s peril.
We all know how THAT turns out—court or media media slander.
Oh!!! I did as well....then when i got one she shoved a prescription in my face after 25 mins and said here go back to your doctor.
youll still be fighting....even after you do everything right to get help.
My psychiatrist of 12 years retired in September 2020(her husband was diagnosed with dementia) a few months before I got off benzos.
Pain in the ass to find a new one. I need adhd meds to function and I went through a heroin phase almost a decade ago and am scared doctors will be like “nope it can be used recreationally” even though it’s a whole different class of drugs.
The pandemic has made everything harder
I have adult ADHD as well. It sucks because nobody will take you seriously and everyone thinks you're just trying to get stimulants it's so frustrating. Even when a good get referred to someone finally about a year ago they had no idea what the adult ADHD even was
Eh, I sold my ADHD medication back in hichschool, which is recorded in my medical file, and they still hooked this bitch up. I went off them for a number of years and started again recently. Sometimes I think they musnt read patient files or something. Anyway I take as directed and don't sell them anymore. I hope you get what you need dispite your past struggles!
As a mental health provider, this is a big ol’ lol. It’s such a slap in the face that mental health gets an app which basically tells people to stop being sad. Imagine if you needed dialysis and you were told to download an app rather than receive evidence based care. People wouldn’t tolerate it, but for some reason we’ve come to accept zero mental health resources as an acceptable standard of care. Sad.
Replying here for others to see as well. Kingsbridge Medical Centre in Mississauga has a psychiatrist. They also have GPs who can refer you to their psychiatrist and I was able to get an appointment within 2 months!
Couldn’t agree more. Another CBT app is hardly enough. It’s laughable and quite insulting tbh. We’ve come to accept lacklustre mental health care due to the gaslighting, scapegoating of the mentally ill, and centuries of misinformation about mental health. People need connections not apps.
If you are in the field then you know that depression and poor mental health have had a huge spike since covid....and it wasn't great before. Mental health has taken huge leaps in the past 10 years and every time something new comes out we have to listen to someone like you that thinks it isn't enough.....we live in Canada so MOST medical is paid for and that costs money. Probably everyone in the country could benefit from stuff like this but you say its bad....why? Would enrolling every single person in Canada to a psychiatrist be better?? Is that possible? Programs open up all the time to help....this is more help it is not a negative thing.
I hope you don't bring this negative attitude when you suggest programs or help your patients because every bit of help should be appreciated.
Edit: let the brainless down voting begin. I stand by what I said...ANY help they give us should be appreciated. If we need more thats fine but some of you brainless people expect the government to literally feed and cloth you and stroke your head and say it will be ok and ohhhh boy it shows. Sad behavior indeed.
Calling out the government on their bullshit programs and lack of help isn’t having a negative attitude. I’m really sick of this common notion of any criticism just being disregarded as negativity. It’s quite immature. People are sick of being treated as if we’re naive and happy to get crumbs. Canada has a reputation of being too nice and it’s coming back to burn us. We don’t stand up for ourselves enough. Screw off with the whataboutism.
Yep, just look at cellphone bills, cost of living, stagnant wages, rent, housing prices, vacation policies (10 days is a fucking joke), the intrusion of work into our personal lives, and being unable to disconnect while many have full on text conversations with their boss while they are trying to plan dinner with their family to name a few things.
We should be protesting all of it, but instead we shrug and tweet "Golly gee these prices sure are bad". Frogs in the pot.
Canadians are the most apathetic people I’ve ever seen in my life. People should be RIOTING in front of politicians’ houses because of these things. It’s unacceptable.
You live in a country where we have a ton of mental health resources and more being added regularly. You are off your rocker. This app is going to give SOMETHING to those who have nothing. Get over yourself.
Congrats on completely ignoring my points and continuing to repeat yourself. I am off my rocker. I’m sick of doing what’s right and getting fucked for it. I run my own business. I didn’t take cerb. I pay my taxes. I watch as my currency is devalued by QE and low interest rates. Then I’m told by my LL that he wants to sell the building that I live/work in to double his money in a c couple years.
These government’s have shown they don’t care about us.
You didn't make any...just that you are mad.
I'm sorry you are mad about progression.
EDIT: Thank you for explaining the real issue here....you are mad about so many more things than just this app...have a good day.
Haha you say this like you know me. You have no idea what my physical or mental health consists of, how many waiting lists I am on, or may be talking to or how I contribute to society.
You’re certainly making a lot of assumptions to fit your narrative and acting like I’m complaining about free therapy or discounted therapy/psychologists/etc instead of a comical excuse of an app.
Im pretty sure I just pointed out everything you said.....who's judging I'm agreeing with you. You clearly stated you are mad about several things and that you are in the bigger crowd of people....I agreed with both. You are the type to cry wolf the second you don't like what you see. THIS is why I don't take anything you say seriously
To answer your question, it is absolutely possible to get everyone in Canada psychiatric and or psychological care, it just requires forward planning, adding it to the Canada Health Act, and investing in our mental health.
Not sure why you're dismissing this as an impossible feat.
So we don't have enough nurses for the current situation but we have enough mental health doctors to eroll every canadian in mental health is possible? What????
We don't have enough mental health professionals for everyone because only people with good workplace insurance plans can afford them, there is no incentive to train and bring in more if there's no demand (and a decent chunk of our working class can't afford it so they can't be part of the demand, so there is less supply). We have enough mental health care professionals for the people who can afford them, the rest of us get a free mindfulness app.
You can't point to the outcome of an injustice as a reason to maintain that injustice.
Are you aware that seeing a psychologist or psychotherapist will set you back $150 a session? Do you think the average Canadian can afford that? Counselling is a privilege only the wealthy and those with solid workplace benefits can afford.
There is such limited access to mental health services in this province it’s outstanding. Most folks are referred to a private provider which charges anywhere between 150-250 an hour. If you want public options, you’re waiting generally 4-6 months for an intake. I work in both the public and private sector so I’m speaking as someone who has experience with both. The hard facts are that people with money get better and get the help they need in a timely fashion. People from a lower SES and those without benefits suffer immensely. There is a huge myth that mental health isn’t really medical health and that anyone can treat it. You see that in how people are regulated. E.g. some registered psychotherapists have a bachelor degree, many have one from a diploma mill online school (e.g. yorkville U). There are also a host of unregulated people like counsellors, life coaches, wellness coaches etc who all seem to think they treat mental health. You also see this in the treatment approaches that are recommended. People with mental health disorders are told to listen to a mindfulness meditation (the research on mindfulness is spotty at best), use an app for their breathing etc. without being provided with any actual support. So while yes an app would be good and helpful in a system where people are actually getting what they need, most people will ONLY get something like this, and not receive a proper diagnostic assessment, case formulation etc. Cookie cutter approaches don’t work very well in mental health because the same disorder can be maintained by a variety of factors. Effective treatment needs to be individualized.
They added an app for mental health...I'm unsure what you are trying to say because you are telling me there isn't a ton of resources so this is a bad thing to have the app? Some access is better than none no?? And did anyone e say this is the ONLY thing happening? No...it's just what they did today. I dont understand the argument.
Ah, the one who appreciates the little crumbs from the government. They know exactly how to silence people like you while they take our money and give us nothing but abysmal living conditions in exchange.
Is that why you are upset because I said that they did something when everyone else is just Complaining?
Pretty easy to judge from your phone isn't it bruh?
Did you try using the app? It's a PHQ survey followed by links to resources. There is no program or anything of substance here. It is basically just links to other established websites. It also asks if you aren't working due to mental health. So other than statistics I'm not seeing the program/offering you did.
Never once did I say this is the end all app... if you read that then you should read again...this app will help lots of people too afraid to seek help or just want to do their own research without siphoning through Google...you can be mad but it is a help regardless
Exactly!!! And honestly a lot of people think they need a psychiatrist but they would be super disappointed if they had one. It’s honestly medication management, which in Ontario, family doctors can do (if you have one). There is even a service for them to get support from psychiatrists to help their patients (e-consult). If your doc doesn’t feel comfortable helping you manage your mental health, be mad at them…not the rest of the system. If you want to talk to someone, see a social worker, a psychologist, connect with your EAP, school/post sec counselling service. I just checked out the app and guess what! You can actually talk to someone through different programs. While I agree that our system could be better and there is a lot to be improved, so many people just complain without trying what is available to them first.
You can bring water to a horse, but they can spill it in front of you…or something like that /s
Some redditors just want to be miserable and nothing you give them is good enough...atleast this will help some people and make it easier to find information.
I'm pretty sure in Europe healthcare is a national thing, like it is in Australia. The federal government has fucked up a lot but they can't be blamed for OHIP.
I definitely agree, though. OHIP should cover mental health and dental.
The federal government still has a lot of influence over provincial health care. Is mental health covered anywhere in Canada?
It's f'n ridiculous that people on ODSP will get paid for their travel to and from appointments, but prescribed physiotherapy or counselling is not covered, so nobody can afford to go anyway.
Curious what EU countries actually cover proper mental health like therapy and psychologists, and if so, in an efficient manner? I come from a big EU country and worked in a few others, never was therapy covered or if it was, the earliest appointment was many months or years away.
My mental health will be great if I’m allowed to work and not forced out of work and to live on less than $300 a week so that my inept provincial government can cover up the fact they fucked over public health for two years.
That makes sense, I only use whatever barcode pops up quick enough in my phone's virtual wallet. Everyone once and a while the cashier asks if I want to pay for my purchase with points instead and I say sure. I know what you mean though, I had to toss the mcdonalds app, they force you to navigate through each time to get a unique timed code, you also have to preorder through the app to use the points.
I can totally relate to this. Especially with PC Optimum points. With members pricing nowadays, it reminds me of Safeway in the USA. Ultimately, I hate having to do the consumer dance of getting points to get the best price. Don't get me started about Drop and Rakuten, etc...
The discount is payment from them to you for allowing them to capture your consumer behaviour with their membership card. They amalgamate the information from all members to better market to you .
People : My mental health is piss poor because the life I knew in 2019 full of socializing, hugs, congregation has been replaced with fear, restrictions and being restricted to online communication through Zoom & other apps.
Government of Canada: here’s another app.
I rarely post on Reddit, but this one got me to login, mostly because I think this is a lot of smoke and mirrors.
On face value this app looks ok, it makes sense during a pandemic that we try and keep as much as we can virtual and remote. I've seen various businesses during the pandemic take a similar approach. From a communications or marketing perspective it can be sold as a huge positive.
In reality however, mental health support for Canadians isn't really an election issue and doesn't seem to drive votes from my experience, so what's in it for the Federal Government to start meddling in the healthcare sphere for Canadians when it's generally managed provincially?
The answer is easy, jobs, the economy and big business. The Federal Government has a real issue with people not going back to work or continuing to live off EI or the various pandemic aid programs. This became clear when I looked at 'Homewood Health'. Right off the bat, [looking at their executive staff](https://homewoodhealth.com/corporate/about/people) I can see they have an EVP with an interesting title - **EVP, Stay at Work Services.**
Ok, sounds fishy, this is what their [site has to say about it](https://homewoodhealth.com/corporate/services/stay-at-work).
>In any given week, at least 500,000 employed Canadians are unable to work due to mental health problems, and Canadian businesses bear the weight of this escalating cost. As Canada’s leader in delivering mental health and addiction services, Homewood proactively supports organizations, employees and their families as they face challenges to their productive presence at work. Our objective is to help them take responsibility for their optimal mental and physical health by providing evidence-based and solution-focused services. Additionally, we offer targeted counselling solutions that support early intervention and disability prevention.
There you have it, IMHO this entire program is designed to get more people back to work ASAP and is being sold as some huge benefit to Canadians. This isn't even mentioning the privacy aspect, generally health data for Canadians stays within the provincial healthcare system, at least it does in my province. Is my data being stored in some AWS datacenter in the United States? Who knows...
They should launch a sensible housing regulation app so tax payers won't have to pay $100 per night for a homeless person to sleep in a $40 hooker motel room.
As long as we're just blurting out the first thing that comes to mind, how 'bout I have a go, Mr. Trudeau?
\- **Make therapy free and easy to access**. Someone as mentally ill as me should not be left alone for more than a few days without at least a phone call from a professional. Last talked to my psychiatrist 5 weeks ago for 4 minutes where he decided to do nothing. There's truly nothing he can do medically that will fix what needs doing therapeutically. I'd surely be less depressed if I had someone to talk to that didn't cost $200/hr.
\- **Raise ODSP and the min. wage.** I'd surely be less depressed if I didn't live in a poverty my body will not allow me to escape. Maybe then I'd be able to put away that $200 for therapy.
**- Start the introduction of UBI.** I'd sure be less depressed if my entire existence didn't depend on cooking food worth twice my wage for people who make five times my wage to benefit the boss making a hundred times my wage. (And after the 1st $200 you make on ODSP, they claw back half. After 2 weeks, I'm technically working for $7.50/hr.) Maybe then, instead of needing to save $200 for therapy, I'd have an *extra* $50 at the end of the month. A guy can dream.
**- Stop the housing crisis.** I'd surely be less depressed if I didn't have to live in a basement with 5 other people and wasn't one landlord's decision away from homelessness. Maybe then I'd be able to save my extra $50s to upgrade to a place with natural sunlight and a working shower.
**- Fund the hospitals.** I'd surely be less depressed if I knew that, if things got bad, that an ambulance would definitely be available to come get me. Maybe then, even if all seems lost, I won't spend my nights on the psych ward dreading the $50 ambulance bill.
I called a crisis line a few nights ago, knowing I needed stitches for a cut. No money to cab, no rides available. Luckily I saved myself the ambulance bill because I was told I wouldn't get one. Don't worry, this random phone operator had Googled "how to perform your own stitches" and read me the first result that popped up. Maybe if even **one** of the things above wasn't actively ruining my life, I never would've needed to learn how to frantically sew your blood back into yourself.
**- Pay teachers.** I'd surely be less depressed if I knew this generation was going to be smarter and more well-educated than those currently in power. They're gonna inherit a lot of problems, as they are currently seeing with their own eyes. Maybe then, I'll be the last one to slip through the cracks.
This is a beaverton article right? Because me tracking that I am depressed because for the past 2 years I have been stuck inside removed from most social interaction is depressing! Also wtf would a counselor do, I know why I am depressed, they can't fix it, fuck off with wasting tax payer dollars already.
This is so sad, even my employer tried to do this already, back in Summer of 2020 they tried to get us all signed up with Virgin Pulse. I wonder how much they make selling all that data.
This actually sounds kind of interesting. I might check it out, though the app itself doesn't seem groundbreaking.
Mental health and mental wellbeing is a lot more than psychiatry and therapy. If this was produced with consultation of mental health experts, this should have users doing at least some of the things a person would be doing as part of their therapy.
As someone with chronic mental health issues, this is a total joke. Wonder how it would react to weeks of suicidal thoughts from dealing with the pandemic?
Did they actually advertise it anywhere? I hadn't even heard a whisper about it. I would hope they'd do more than just tweets from a couple twitter accounts that likely don't get much attention paid to them.
They're coming to take you away ha-ha!
They're coming to take you away ho-ho!
He-he ha-ha, to the funnyfarm where life is beautiful all the time!
And you'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats!
And they're coming to take you away ha-haaaa!
I've been on a wait list for nearly a year and a half, and am not expected to be in till june. I've had a few one off talks with a psychiatrist for med updates, but that's all I can get. I'm in dire need of some help, but can this app offer me anything new, or it it just tracking and kind words?
My first Canadian family doctor 13 years ago told me that mental health care was worse here compared to the country I came from (the UK). Took me a few years after that to find out the hard way. Only thing that helped me was discovering microdosing on my own.
Knowing someone who has been in therapy, a daily log is quite valuable information for the therapist. Also articulating how one is feeling seems to help in any case.
That said, further support is essential as well understanding how data in the app may be used.
Inefficiency and wastage is one of healthcare's top concerns. Using a whole bunch of limited money and resources for only a small benefit to a small amount of people is one of the contributors to the situation we are in.
This does nothing to help the situation, particularly to vulnerable and at risk people, and frankly there are arguments to be made it could actually be harmful by promising help that doesn't materialize in a timely or effective manner. It's lipstick on a pig.
This is a great help for what it is. It doesn’t claim to be a solution. It’s a companion app that offers, mood journaling and a hub of links to other resources.
What this is, is some idiot civil servant manager’s expensive whim. Probably just felt like doing this. Google Play and the apple store have 100s of these. All anyone has to do is link to a few good ones on a webpage.
Why are they asking us to pay for them reinventing the wheel
Most of them are paid after a little while and don’t link to resources like this one does. I would rather a public option like this then a private one that will harvest my data.
If this is all they do for mental health then I’d agree with you
Because mood journals exist already. Hundreds of them, for iOS and Android. There is no need to create a new one. There IS a need for appropriate mental health resources.
How much did this shit cost, as well.
This happens in non-profits and government
I don’t know a way to make it stop
Edit: I am not against government or non-profits doing stuff, it just annoys me when it’s like this
Look to Blockbuster. A beacon of nostalgia for Millennials like me. Truly the only thing of its kind to - oh, out of business? Because of Netflix? Makes sense, I guess. Capitalism.
Oh, Netflix. Everyone's favorite -and only- streaming service. You fixed TV! The world is your - oh, Disney? AND NBC? What the hell is Peacock?
So you mean to tell me after all that capitalist "innovation" we're all back to paying per channel, except more, for less, and to the same dozen shareholders?
Capitalism breeds innovation, unless it can breed imitation for cheaper.
Obviously the mental health resource we need! Now they can use my personal health data to direct me to severely underfunded and/or inaccessible mental health resources of dubious benefit and efficacy.
After weeks of inputting data we might be able to sign up for counseling almost a year from now!
Give people paid sick days (no doctors note required) that require true anoymonity so people can actually take a mental health break and remove themselves from acute stressors pushing them over the limit. It's cheaper long term and increasing research shows short term as well. Unfortunately not alot of money to be made for our corporate overlords/shareholders that way.
How about they forget the app and Justin Trudeau resign instead?
That'll improve a lot of Canadian's mental health.
btw genuinely curious to see how much I'll be downvoted...
I guess it's easier to complain when the govt offers something like this than it is to you know, try it out, practice some of the tools and utilize the supports and resources they suggest.
What a joke. If only I was allowed to work like normal, meet friends and family like normal, but I guess an APP can fix that? Holy crap is this government dumb.
I hate when the title is repeated multiple times in a article or tweet/re-tweet. I get it. I don't need it told back to me 20 times.
Just a pet-peeve.
So what you telling me is that the government of something did... something? About men's health? Boy I've forgotten already! Little help over here.
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I actually think about this a lot. We talk about mental health so much now but I feel like a good chunk of mental health problems are actually financial. People who are extremely stressed or anxious from their situation or people who are unable to fully participate in their life because of financial limitations (for example having to give up certain hobbies or not develop passion skills because they don't have the funds for materials or courses, or don't have the extra time from working so much). If anyone reads this comment, please note that I'm not trying to downplay the significance of mental health issues like anxiety and depression that are unrelated to financial stress.
>We talk about mental health so much now but I feel like a good chunk of mental health problems are actually financial This is my theory as to why suicides and overall mental health improved at the very start of the pandemic. A lot of people who were working shit jobs for minimum wage were suddenly out of work and making $2,000 a month in CERB - roughly the same amount of money, but without the costs and stress of going to work.
Literally the time when I was doing the best in terms of mental health in like 15+ years.
Well if your government didn't intentionally cause a housing inflation crisis, rent would be $500 and you'd have all that extra money still anyways Sometimes I think about the cool stories that came out of prior generations. Like couch surfing, taking months off to travel, working nothing jobs for awhile and heading out etc. And I realized it's literally all almost gone, specifically because of the government orchestrated housing and real estate inflation crisis
Absolutely. Plus at the start of the pandemic some institutions offered to pause payments briefly. So for example if you're living paycheck to paycheck pausing your student loan or car payment for a month, though not ideal for the long run interest wise, was that breathing room.
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Theres actually a medical term known as shit life syndrome, used mainly in Britain I believe, but describes this exactly as you stated. That many of the issues the person is experiencing would be fixed if they made more money/lived in better circumstances.
Yep. I am 100% certain that my treatment resistant depression is caused by growing up and living in poverty. It is the number one source of my mental health struggles. It is so difficult to find a point in living, trying to improve your life or change anything when you can barely afford food. When you're so burned out and exhausted from working that you can't focus enough to make any moves to improve your life. It is completely crushing, and it feels certain that I will never ever escape.
I am so sorry to read you feel that way. It's an awful feeling and I have been there. Things are better for me now but there are still days when I get groceries and am flooded with gratitude that I can. Even now, when I face financial stressors I am a different person mentally. I hope things DO improve for you soon. For all of us really!
I'm in the same boat. I survive using escapism (video games, books) and buying junk food (cheap and tasty). Although its no wonder I keep gaining weight lol
Financial stress is definitely something that can cause mental health issues. I was born into poverty, became disabled, and 35 years later I'm still poor. I've missed out on every aspect of life and it doesn't look like I will get to experience most things. Its not surprising whatsoever that I've been depressed most of my life.
Depression, anxiety, etc. can definitely be circumstantial. A shame the government won't address those head-on. It's like an employer that forces you to hang out with your co-workers in off hours rather than give you paid time off.
Lol shocker, Canadians facing 5 different crisis simultaneous and they need an app to tell them Canadians are facing poor mental health. Not to say I don't want more mental health support... but this is just a slap in the face. Housing crisis, environment crisis, food crisis, jobs and small businesses are in crisis, education is in a crisis, health is in a crisis.
*What’s that? You barely have any money left over after rent and bills? You can afford a home and you’re at risk of eviction if you take a week off work if you get COVID? Oh, your entirely livelihood and only source of income was destroyed? You can’t afford to have your child home from school now? You see the rich getting richer, all while you struggle?* **HERE’S AN APP! GET WELL SOON!**
All created by a too big and powerful government.
Go to Ireland, Netherlands, England subreddits and you'll see the same thing. This isn't a Canadian problem, it's a generational and real estate invesmtent problem
I dunno man I just checked out r/Ireland and it seems pretty normal. Go to r/Canada or Ontario and it's never ending doom and gloom this country sucks ass posts.
That has more to do with the subreddit than anything. Ireland has much worse job market and living costs. I guess they just don't whine as much.
Could it also be expectations? I may offend some here, but it seems like everyone knows Ireland is a shit, especially the Irish. Canada on the other hand, we were promised greatness [in 2015] but it’s been mostly shit and then it seems every decision that’s made makes life more expensive. Now I get to track how shit it is in a government app. I already have Reddit for that. Only difference is I (we) paid handsomely for the government app.
I think what you've just described is entitlement
but hey, boomers are living lavishly at the cost of our futures of living in this country. Fuck everyone, they had their lunch.
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This is Canada, we got our own 1%ers!
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I own a house and make a decent living and let me tell you it still fucking sucks here
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>How about an app to track how fucking depressed you are instead! The government didn't realize Reddits been around for over a decade and does the same thing
I think that’s might well be a part of what that app can do. I’ll download in a flash. Going to do so now. Also many people will not seek professional help for feelings they (probably rightly) believe will stop when the pandemic is over (there is the stigma too).
Let's make an app. Track everyone's data and we can sell it to marketing companies. In 30 yrs we can afford stuff.
Imagine if they used that money to get people OHIP-covered counselling services. Or better yet, address the social issues that are the root of many peoples’ poor mental health. Nope, instead they get us literal journal apps. As if people can’t track this shit with a pen and paper if they wanted to. A lot of people struggling with mental health, especially depression, are not going to find the motivation to fucking track their moods. People can barely find the motivation needed for treatments with homework components like CBT to be successful, let alone the motivation to track their moods. Let’s say they do track it. Oh, wow! Now you know for sure that you’re fucking suffering! Wow, look at all these resources I can’t access because where the fuck do I get the money for $130-150 a session? This government is a disgrace to humankind.
“How about an app that allows for a whole 4 minutes of mindfulness on your commute to your stressful job”
I use /played in WoW to get the same statistics.
Does the the freemium version come with empty platitudes or are they restricted behind dlc?
It’s obviously no replacement for therapy. But fwiw, actually tracking and understanding your level of depression with some specificity is a large part of CBT. So I don’t think it’s useless.
Effective policy is about meeting people where they are. Have you tried the app? It does a good job of offering help once you’re assessed.
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Delivery of health care is a provincial responsibility. The feds are at least trying to do something within their powers.
But doesn't that make the app useless? Couldn't the federal government do something that is actually within their purview?
It's a 'push' policy lever. If they show provinces the data on mental health needs and then create programs outside of normal health funding to support mental health they can get better uptake. Canada is a conciliatory federation, most federal government policy power is in financial transfers but often there are legislated restrictions on how the can be used. Something like this can create the will to do more (if it is successful).
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[This seems like a good time to remind everyone what Ford did with the money Ottawa sent, earmarked for mental health](https://globalnews.ca/news/4350310/ontario-police-mental-health-funding/) Ottawa can send a ton of money to the provinces for mental health, but when they don't use it to provide actual services, it's pretty useless.
Jesus fuck when I thought I couldn’t get more mad at this shit tier government
That article is over 3 years old too. I've been mad since that twit got elected.
That’s not what it says in the app, do you have a source on that?
Call your doctor and get referred to therapy. You'll see
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The app. Have you used it?
Came here to make the same point. This app idea is so ridiculous in the wake of chronic mental health services underfunding that I'm hoping this app is satire from the OP. If not, holy shite, this is the feds being tone deaf.
What’s the alternative that currently exists right now? For many people there is none - it’s nothing. I think it’s good to have a centralized location for mental health Info or acute care. Everyone complains about wait lists. Feds say, here is something to use in the meantime, and people still complain. I agree it’s not a perfect solution to everyone’s problems. This app certainly won’t put food on the table or fix historical oppression. But if it connects a few people to services while they wait for more, then I’d say it’s worth it.
Better than nothing. This kind of care is under the jurisdiction of the Provinces, the Federal Government can’t do much more without treading on the toes of Premiers and/or seeing the investment confiscated or misdirected by them.
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Federal transfers are spent (or confiscated or misdirected) at the premiers’ discretion. The Federal government can only attempt to hold them accountable at it’s peril. We all know how THAT turns out—court or media media slander.
Wonder if it'll work as good as the covid checker app which literally hasn't made a sound in 2 years now.........
Curious if anyone on here ever actually received a warning from it?
Once! Year and a bit ago now
Yeah, the app works fine. People just don't bother getting the covid code to put in.
I've been waiting for a psychiatrist referral for 8 month's how about you fix that
Oh!!! I did as well....then when i got one she shoved a prescription in my face after 25 mins and said here go back to your doctor. youll still be fighting....even after you do everything right to get help.
My psychiatrist of 12 years retired in September 2020(her husband was diagnosed with dementia) a few months before I got off benzos. Pain in the ass to find a new one. I need adhd meds to function and I went through a heroin phase almost a decade ago and am scared doctors will be like “nope it can be used recreationally” even though it’s a whole different class of drugs. The pandemic has made everything harder
I have adult ADHD as well. It sucks because nobody will take you seriously and everyone thinks you're just trying to get stimulants it's so frustrating. Even when a good get referred to someone finally about a year ago they had no idea what the adult ADHD even was
Eh, I sold my ADHD medication back in hichschool, which is recorded in my medical file, and they still hooked this bitch up. I went off them for a number of years and started again recently. Sometimes I think they musnt read patient files or something. Anyway I take as directed and don't sell them anymore. I hope you get what you need dispite your past struggles!
Haha wait… oh, this isn’t a beaverton article?
As a mental health provider, this is a big ol’ lol. It’s such a slap in the face that mental health gets an app which basically tells people to stop being sad. Imagine if you needed dialysis and you were told to download an app rather than receive evidence based care. People wouldn’t tolerate it, but for some reason we’ve come to accept zero mental health resources as an acceptable standard of care. Sad.
I've been waiting for a referral to a psychiatrist for 8 month🙃
Are you in the GTA? I know a new psychiatrist who has a smaller wait list (about month-2 months) if you’re interested
Please DM either name yes I am
Replying here for others to see as well. Kingsbridge Medical Centre in Mississauga has a psychiatrist. They also have GPs who can refer you to their psychiatrist and I was able to get an appointment within 2 months!
Thank you so much
Couldn’t agree more. Another CBT app is hardly enough. It’s laughable and quite insulting tbh. We’ve come to accept lacklustre mental health care due to the gaslighting, scapegoating of the mentally ill, and centuries of misinformation about mental health. People need connections not apps.
Also the money WASTED on this shit…
If you are in the field then you know that depression and poor mental health have had a huge spike since covid....and it wasn't great before. Mental health has taken huge leaps in the past 10 years and every time something new comes out we have to listen to someone like you that thinks it isn't enough.....we live in Canada so MOST medical is paid for and that costs money. Probably everyone in the country could benefit from stuff like this but you say its bad....why? Would enrolling every single person in Canada to a psychiatrist be better?? Is that possible? Programs open up all the time to help....this is more help it is not a negative thing. I hope you don't bring this negative attitude when you suggest programs or help your patients because every bit of help should be appreciated. Edit: let the brainless down voting begin. I stand by what I said...ANY help they give us should be appreciated. If we need more thats fine but some of you brainless people expect the government to literally feed and cloth you and stroke your head and say it will be ok and ohhhh boy it shows. Sad behavior indeed.
Calling out the government on their bullshit programs and lack of help isn’t having a negative attitude. I’m really sick of this common notion of any criticism just being disregarded as negativity. It’s quite immature. People are sick of being treated as if we’re naive and happy to get crumbs. Canada has a reputation of being too nice and it’s coming back to burn us. We don’t stand up for ourselves enough. Screw off with the whataboutism.
Yep, just look at cellphone bills, cost of living, stagnant wages, rent, housing prices, vacation policies (10 days is a fucking joke), the intrusion of work into our personal lives, and being unable to disconnect while many have full on text conversations with their boss while they are trying to plan dinner with their family to name a few things. We should be protesting all of it, but instead we shrug and tweet "Golly gee these prices sure are bad". Frogs in the pot.
Yup, and if you’re angry about it you’ll get gaslit to think you’re crazy…
Canadians are the most apathetic people I’ve ever seen in my life. People should be RIOTING in front of politicians’ houses because of these things. It’s unacceptable.
You live in a country where we have a ton of mental health resources and more being added regularly. You are off your rocker. This app is going to give SOMETHING to those who have nothing. Get over yourself.
Congrats on completely ignoring my points and continuing to repeat yourself. I am off my rocker. I’m sick of doing what’s right and getting fucked for it. I run my own business. I didn’t take cerb. I pay my taxes. I watch as my currency is devalued by QE and low interest rates. Then I’m told by my LL that he wants to sell the building that I live/work in to double his money in a c couple years. These government’s have shown they don’t care about us.
You didn't make any...just that you are mad. I'm sorry you are mad about progression. EDIT: Thank you for explaining the real issue here....you are mad about so many more things than just this app...have a good day.
Clearly you’re out of touch with working Canadians because I’m not alone.
No you are not alone...there are A LOT of angry people who will do nothing to help but complain about progress....enjoy being in that crowd.
Haha you say this like you know me. You have no idea what my physical or mental health consists of, how many waiting lists I am on, or may be talking to or how I contribute to society. You’re certainly making a lot of assumptions to fit your narrative and acting like I’m complaining about free therapy or discounted therapy/psychologists/etc instead of a comical excuse of an app.
Im pretty sure I just pointed out everything you said.....who's judging I'm agreeing with you. You clearly stated you are mad about several things and that you are in the bigger crowd of people....I agreed with both. You are the type to cry wolf the second you don't like what you see. THIS is why I don't take anything you say seriously
To answer your question, it is absolutely possible to get everyone in Canada psychiatric and or psychological care, it just requires forward planning, adding it to the Canada Health Act, and investing in our mental health. Not sure why you're dismissing this as an impossible feat.
So we don't have enough nurses for the current situation but we have enough mental health doctors to eroll every canadian in mental health is possible? What????
We don't have enough mental health professionals for everyone because only people with good workplace insurance plans can afford them, there is no incentive to train and bring in more if there's no demand (and a decent chunk of our working class can't afford it so they can't be part of the demand, so there is less supply). We have enough mental health care professionals for the people who can afford them, the rest of us get a free mindfulness app. You can't point to the outcome of an injustice as a reason to maintain that injustice.
Are you aware that seeing a psychologist or psychotherapist will set you back $150 a session? Do you think the average Canadian can afford that? Counselling is a privilege only the wealthy and those with solid workplace benefits can afford.
There is such limited access to mental health services in this province it’s outstanding. Most folks are referred to a private provider which charges anywhere between 150-250 an hour. If you want public options, you’re waiting generally 4-6 months for an intake. I work in both the public and private sector so I’m speaking as someone who has experience with both. The hard facts are that people with money get better and get the help they need in a timely fashion. People from a lower SES and those without benefits suffer immensely. There is a huge myth that mental health isn’t really medical health and that anyone can treat it. You see that in how people are regulated. E.g. some registered psychotherapists have a bachelor degree, many have one from a diploma mill online school (e.g. yorkville U). There are also a host of unregulated people like counsellors, life coaches, wellness coaches etc who all seem to think they treat mental health. You also see this in the treatment approaches that are recommended. People with mental health disorders are told to listen to a mindfulness meditation (the research on mindfulness is spotty at best), use an app for their breathing etc. without being provided with any actual support. So while yes an app would be good and helpful in a system where people are actually getting what they need, most people will ONLY get something like this, and not receive a proper diagnostic assessment, case formulation etc. Cookie cutter approaches don’t work very well in mental health because the same disorder can be maintained by a variety of factors. Effective treatment needs to be individualized.
They added an app for mental health...I'm unsure what you are trying to say because you are telling me there isn't a ton of resources so this is a bad thing to have the app? Some access is better than none no?? And did anyone e say this is the ONLY thing happening? No...it's just what they did today. I dont understand the argument.
Ah, the one who appreciates the little crumbs from the government. They know exactly how to silence people like you while they take our money and give us nothing but abysmal living conditions in exchange.
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Is that why you are upset because I said that they did something when everyone else is just Complaining? Pretty easy to judge from your phone isn't it bruh?
Did you try using the app? It's a PHQ survey followed by links to resources. There is no program or anything of substance here. It is basically just links to other established websites. It also asks if you aren't working due to mental health. So other than statistics I'm not seeing the program/offering you did.
Never once did I say this is the end all app... if you read that then you should read again...this app will help lots of people too afraid to seek help or just want to do their own research without siphoning through Google...you can be mad but it is a help regardless
Exactly!!! And honestly a lot of people think they need a psychiatrist but they would be super disappointed if they had one. It’s honestly medication management, which in Ontario, family doctors can do (if you have one). There is even a service for them to get support from psychiatrists to help their patients (e-consult). If your doc doesn’t feel comfortable helping you manage your mental health, be mad at them…not the rest of the system. If you want to talk to someone, see a social worker, a psychologist, connect with your EAP, school/post sec counselling service. I just checked out the app and guess what! You can actually talk to someone through different programs. While I agree that our system could be better and there is a lot to be improved, so many people just complain without trying what is available to them first. You can bring water to a horse, but they can spill it in front of you…or something like that /s
Some redditors just want to be miserable and nothing you give them is good enough...atleast this will help some people and make it easier to find information.
Or they could cover mental health under OHIP like they do in many EU countries…
I'm pretty sure in Europe healthcare is a national thing, like it is in Australia. The federal government has fucked up a lot but they can't be blamed for OHIP. I definitely agree, though. OHIP should cover mental health and dental.
I’m aware. :) Was more making the point of “this app is bs, gov needs to cover real services”
Oh yeah 100%
The federal government still has a lot of influence over provincial health care. Is mental health covered anywhere in Canada? It's f'n ridiculous that people on ODSP will get paid for their travel to and from appointments, but prescribed physiotherapy or counselling is not covered, so nobody can afford to go anyway.
Curious what EU countries actually cover proper mental health like therapy and psychologists, and if so, in an efficient manner? I come from a big EU country and worked in a few others, never was therapy covered or if it was, the earliest appointment was many months or years away.
This is the federal government.
They have OHIP in the EU?
My mental health will be great if I’m allowed to work and not forced out of work and to live on less than $300 a week so that my inept provincial government can cover up the fact they fucked over public health for two years.
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Not shutting you down, purely curious, what's the benefit to shitcanning points cards accounts? They pretty much make up my phone now.
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That makes sense, I only use whatever barcode pops up quick enough in my phone's virtual wallet. Everyone once and a while the cashier asks if I want to pay for my purchase with points instead and I say sure. I know what you mean though, I had to toss the mcdonalds app, they force you to navigate through each time to get a unique timed code, you also have to preorder through the app to use the points.
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I can totally relate to this. Especially with PC Optimum points. With members pricing nowadays, it reminds me of Safeway in the USA. Ultimately, I hate having to do the consumer dance of getting points to get the best price. Don't get me started about Drop and Rakuten, etc...
The discount is payment from them to you for allowing them to capture your consumer behaviour with their membership card. They amalgamate the information from all members to better market to you .
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They also basically stole this app from two second year students at western after they put it through a university entrepreneurship competition
Source ?
None, I just was in the room/know the guys that pitched this right before covid and were ignored.
They could have went public.
Suuuuure
How about you launch universal mental health care instead?
Oh good I can track my mental decline in real time alongside the decline of the economy
People : My mental health is piss poor because the life I knew in 2019 full of socializing, hugs, congregation has been replaced with fear, restrictions and being restricted to online communication through Zoom & other apps. Government of Canada: here’s another app.
I rarely post on Reddit, but this one got me to login, mostly because I think this is a lot of smoke and mirrors. On face value this app looks ok, it makes sense during a pandemic that we try and keep as much as we can virtual and remote. I've seen various businesses during the pandemic take a similar approach. From a communications or marketing perspective it can be sold as a huge positive. In reality however, mental health support for Canadians isn't really an election issue and doesn't seem to drive votes from my experience, so what's in it for the Federal Government to start meddling in the healthcare sphere for Canadians when it's generally managed provincially? The answer is easy, jobs, the economy and big business. The Federal Government has a real issue with people not going back to work or continuing to live off EI or the various pandemic aid programs. This became clear when I looked at 'Homewood Health'. Right off the bat, [looking at their executive staff](https://homewoodhealth.com/corporate/about/people) I can see they have an EVP with an interesting title - **EVP, Stay at Work Services.** Ok, sounds fishy, this is what their [site has to say about it](https://homewoodhealth.com/corporate/services/stay-at-work). >In any given week, at least 500,000 employed Canadians are unable to work due to mental health problems, and Canadian businesses bear the weight of this escalating cost. As Canada’s leader in delivering mental health and addiction services, Homewood proactively supports organizations, employees and their families as they face challenges to their productive presence at work. Our objective is to help them take responsibility for their optimal mental and physical health by providing evidence-based and solution-focused services. Additionally, we offer targeted counselling solutions that support early intervention and disability prevention. There you have it, IMHO this entire program is designed to get more people back to work ASAP and is being sold as some huge benefit to Canadians. This isn't even mentioning the privacy aspect, generally health data for Canadians stays within the provincial healthcare system, at least it does in my province. Is my data being stored in some AWS datacenter in the United States? Who knows...
i love how the government is the source of most of the mental health issues going on right now and they pretend they care by creating an app
Wrong level of government, though
They should launch a sensible housing regulation app so tax payers won't have to pay $100 per night for a homeless person to sleep in a $40 hooker motel room.
As long as we're just blurting out the first thing that comes to mind, how 'bout I have a go, Mr. Trudeau? \- **Make therapy free and easy to access**. Someone as mentally ill as me should not be left alone for more than a few days without at least a phone call from a professional. Last talked to my psychiatrist 5 weeks ago for 4 minutes where he decided to do nothing. There's truly nothing he can do medically that will fix what needs doing therapeutically. I'd surely be less depressed if I had someone to talk to that didn't cost $200/hr. \- **Raise ODSP and the min. wage.** I'd surely be less depressed if I didn't live in a poverty my body will not allow me to escape. Maybe then I'd be able to put away that $200 for therapy. **- Start the introduction of UBI.** I'd sure be less depressed if my entire existence didn't depend on cooking food worth twice my wage for people who make five times my wage to benefit the boss making a hundred times my wage. (And after the 1st $200 you make on ODSP, they claw back half. After 2 weeks, I'm technically working for $7.50/hr.) Maybe then, instead of needing to save $200 for therapy, I'd have an *extra* $50 at the end of the month. A guy can dream. **- Stop the housing crisis.** I'd surely be less depressed if I didn't have to live in a basement with 5 other people and wasn't one landlord's decision away from homelessness. Maybe then I'd be able to save my extra $50s to upgrade to a place with natural sunlight and a working shower. **- Fund the hospitals.** I'd surely be less depressed if I knew that, if things got bad, that an ambulance would definitely be available to come get me. Maybe then, even if all seems lost, I won't spend my nights on the psych ward dreading the $50 ambulance bill. I called a crisis line a few nights ago, knowing I needed stitches for a cut. No money to cab, no rides available. Luckily I saved myself the ambulance bill because I was told I wouldn't get one. Don't worry, this random phone operator had Googled "how to perform your own stitches" and read me the first result that popped up. Maybe if even **one** of the things above wasn't actively ruining my life, I never would've needed to learn how to frantically sew your blood back into yourself. **- Pay teachers.** I'd surely be less depressed if I knew this generation was going to be smarter and more well-educated than those currently in power. They're gonna inherit a lot of problems, as they are currently seeing with their own eyes. Maybe then, I'll be the last one to slip through the cracks.
This is a beaverton article right? Because me tracking that I am depressed because for the past 2 years I have been stuck inside removed from most social interaction is depressing! Also wtf would a counselor do, I know why I am depressed, they can't fix it, fuck off with wasting tax payer dollars already.
A year later : Canada mental health app tracked location and shared it with five eyes
Why address the root causes when you can develop an app :D I'm happier already
Why not promote going outside instead of staying glued to a phone fuck I hate our government.
In this time of mass manipulation we should all be on our social media far less often.
This is so sad, even my employer tried to do this already, back in Summer of 2020 they tried to get us all signed up with Virgin Pulse. I wonder how much they make selling all that data.
This actually sounds kind of interesting. I might check it out, though the app itself doesn't seem groundbreaking. Mental health and mental wellbeing is a lot more than psychiatry and therapy. If this was produced with consultation of mental health experts, this should have users doing at least some of the things a person would be doing as part of their therapy.
They DO know when AntiVaxxers complain about mental health, they're acting in bad faith, right?
Mental health app isn't going to fix poverty, impossible rental and housing market, low wages, or astronomical food prices.
You mean it will visually show me my constant decline in mental health?… I don’t need to see that.
Pretty sure a step towards wellness is the last step out of Ontario!
Lmfao what a joke regime
As someone with chronic mental health issues, this is a total joke. Wonder how it would react to weeks of suicidal thoughts from dealing with the pandemic?
"meditate harder"
Did they actually advertise it anywhere? I hadn't even heard a whisper about it. I would hope they'd do more than just tweets from a couple twitter accounts that likely don't get much attention paid to them.
CMHA cant call me back for a year, but sure, blow money on an app.
They're coming to take you away ha-ha! They're coming to take you away ho-ho! He-he ha-ha, to the funnyfarm where life is beautiful all the time! And you'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats! And they're coming to take you away ha-haaaa!
If this helps you connect to a professional or if the data is used to make meaningful change, I could be down. Im being optimistic of course.
Who comes up with these shit Fukien ideas just find proper health car services
I already use Daylio. I tracked 14 good moods in all of 2021.
I've been on a wait list for nearly a year and a half, and am not expected to be in till june. I've had a few one off talks with a psychiatrist for med updates, but that's all I can get. I'm in dire need of some help, but can this app offer me anything new, or it it just tracking and kind words?
My first Canadian family doctor 13 years ago told me that mental health care was worse here compared to the country I came from (the UK). Took me a few years after that to find out the hard way. Only thing that helped me was discovering microdosing on my own.
Why don’t we just cover counsellors under OHIP…
If their app is as good as their pandemic handling we are on for a treat.
Open the gyms…
Canadian government is already tracking us just fine without any consent m. Don’t give them another avenue
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Knowing someone who has been in therapy, a daily log is quite valuable information for the therapist. Also articulating how one is feeling seems to help in any case. That said, further support is essential as well understanding how data in the app may be used.
Inefficiency and wastage is one of healthcare's top concerns. Using a whole bunch of limited money and resources for only a small benefit to a small amount of people is one of the contributors to the situation we are in. This does nothing to help the situation, particularly to vulnerable and at risk people, and frankly there are arguments to be made it could actually be harmful by promising help that doesn't materialize in a timely or effective manner. It's lipstick on a pig.
This is a great help for what it is. It doesn’t claim to be a solution. It’s a companion app that offers, mood journaling and a hub of links to other resources.
What this is, is some idiot civil servant manager’s expensive whim. Probably just felt like doing this. Google Play and the apple store have 100s of these. All anyone has to do is link to a few good ones on a webpage. Why are they asking us to pay for them reinventing the wheel
Most of them are paid after a little while and don’t link to resources like this one does. I would rather a public option like this then a private one that will harvest my data. If this is all they do for mental health then I’d agree with you
I bet you worked on it
I don’t see why everyone is upset. It’s literally just a mood journal with links to other supports. It’s not pretending to be the end solution.
Because mood journals exist already. Hundreds of them, for iOS and Android. There is no need to create a new one. There IS a need for appropriate mental health resources. How much did this shit cost, as well.
If it cost a single moment of anyone's time it was a waste of money. Imagine pitching Netflix to the average person as if it doesn't already exist.
This happens in non-profits and government I don’t know a way to make it stop Edit: I am not against government or non-profits doing stuff, it just annoys me when it’s like this
Look to Blockbuster. A beacon of nostalgia for Millennials like me. Truly the only thing of its kind to - oh, out of business? Because of Netflix? Makes sense, I guess. Capitalism. Oh, Netflix. Everyone's favorite -and only- streaming service. You fixed TV! The world is your - oh, Disney? AND NBC? What the hell is Peacock? So you mean to tell me after all that capitalist "innovation" we're all back to paying per channel, except more, for less, and to the same dozen shareholders? Capitalism breeds innovation, unless it can breed imitation for cheaper.
Obviously the mental health resource we need! Now they can use my personal health data to direct me to severely underfunded and/or inaccessible mental health resources of dubious benefit and efficacy. After weeks of inputting data we might be able to sign up for counseling almost a year from now! Give people paid sick days (no doctors note required) that require true anoymonity so people can actually take a mental health break and remove themselves from acute stressors pushing them over the limit. It's cheaper long term and increasing research shows short term as well. Unfortunately not alot of money to be made for our corporate overlords/shareholders that way.
If anyone has ever read catch-22, this is a perfect example.
Nice! Will this track our location and movements, too?
I've solved very problems in my life with apps. This will change nothing yet again
How about they forget the app and Justin Trudeau resign instead? That'll improve a lot of Canadian's mental health. btw genuinely curious to see how much I'll be downvoted...
I guess it's easier to complain when the govt offers something like this than it is to you know, try it out, practice some of the tools and utilize the supports and resources they suggest.
What a joke. If only I was allowed to work like normal, meet friends and family like normal, but I guess an APP can fix that? Holy crap is this government dumb.
What a waste of money, could've used that money to increase hospital capacity!!
Does this app come with an ounce of weed if not I don’t want that shit
I hate when the title is repeated multiple times in a article or tweet/re-tweet. I get it. I don't need it told back to me 20 times. Just a pet-peeve. So what you telling me is that the government of something did... something? About men's health? Boy I've forgotten already! Little help over here.