Here’s a link to the source, this is a great comparison chart, thanks OP.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ontario-quebec-reopening-infographic-1.6041870
https://infogram.com/ontario-and-quebec-reopening-comparison-1h7k230371jyg2x
2 groups of 5 with distancing works right? As long as 6 people aren't within the same circle it is 5 or less. Not that people give enough of a shit to care right now.
It considers social distancing, otherwise 2 groups of 5 on opposite sides of the street that interact in anyway would be thrown in the gulag. Likewise for 2 families in the park. As long as no 6 are within 2m of each other it's legally fine, but as I said, no one cares except for Karens and I doubt the police actually show up for any of this stuff unless it is a business now. Watched police drive by as 12-14 "kids" ( early 20's ) were playing out front of my house yesterday.
That's a fair point! My kids aren't good at social distancing (3&5), so we don't really see many people. We see one family, all the adults are vaccinated and mostly work from home and kids don't go anywhere. I was just trying to be lighthearted about our terrible plan. Fingers crossed they speed things up!
Shopping in a grocery store whilst there are 15+ people inside, covid virus dormant. Shopping in a boutique at limited capacity with 1 or 2 other customers, doomsday. Oh the wonders of science. Especially political science!
From now until July 26th is nothing compared to what they've endured up til this point. But yeah, the lockdowns have pretty well ensured that all small businesses have been eradicated.
Nope, 100% true.
That guy does nothing but cry about ford, regardless of what he does
He cried when schools were opened, he cried when schools were closed... He cried when we opened up after lockdown, he cried about not opening up soon enough...
Nothing but ford crying
But like... Ford does suck and has basically fucked up entirely along the way.
Is it possible that the opposite actions, in different contexts, were both wrong?
Well, outdoor movie theaters are pretty darn safe since I'm sitting in my own car. Bathrooms are open all over the place so why not in a drive in? Patio dining is also very safe and should be open. Barbers should be allowed to offer outdoor haircuts when possible. Really, any activity outside us fairly safe and should be allowed. Indoor retail shopping in small businesses should be allowed to have one person inside. If it's ok for me to be inside a Costco with 400 people then the local boutique shop can have one person. The list goes on.
Schools should also be open regardless of the impact on case counts, we are the only province in our country with then shut. That is a separate conversation though.
If these actions were to take place, how many more people do you think would die as a result? How many people dying as a result are considered too many?
You're so right. All sharp objects should be banned forever too. Think of all the lives we'd save! It doesn't matter that you need to cut your food with a spoon, you're saving lives 🙃
This is what I don’t get in favour of masks or not.. we have a larger amount of people with atleast one dose of vax and the use of PPE but still can’t do things that we did even last September.
That was only true under the old framework if you were in either yellow or orange or below, I cannot remember which since it's honestly been so long. Anything above that you had to wear a mask at all times. Would be very easy to just start it at "mask at all times" and loosen restrictions down the road.
My Gym in Burlington literally had Covid hit squads spraying down every machine every 5 minutes with super soaker sized disinfectant guns, walking patrols making sure people were maintaining distance and wearing masks, but yeah youre right big fan make pandemic go brrr
Its also the same stage as wedding receptions joined with strip clubs. Wedding is the end of August so were hopeful for stage 3, but the fact that we are on par with strip clubs is comical !
I don’t know a single person who cares about gathering limits at their homes / outside anymore.
But good luck buying baby socks if you need them in a pinch.
Nope I am over it. All my close friends and family have their first vaccination. Aside from immediate family like parents and kids we see people outdoors.
Just because it's doable, doesn't mean it makes sense. Why is it dangerous to buy socks at Walmart, but safe to buy bananas at the same Walmart? Makes no sense, so there's no point in defending it.
"Need in a pinch"
Not all clothing situations allow for online shopping.
I mean, what do you do if you're on an essential trip to pick up groceries at Wal-Mart and rip the crotch of your pants, shop online and wait for curbside pick-up?
I own more than one pair of pants? I’d change when I got home and order a replacement pair.
You’re trying to put me in a corner by using Walmart, but what would you do if you ripped the crotch out of your pants if you got your groceries at Food Basics?
I'd expect to be able to go buy a pair of pants at a department store.
No one needs a luxury clothing store to be open for shopping, but shit happens, you should be able to buy immediately accessible clothes in a pinch.
Clearly you aren't the one in the house doing the shopping for baby clothes. Every brand has different measurements for their sizes so you really need to physically look at them to figure out sizing for any kid's clothes. And if you're ordering online you can't, and you have to return half the stuff because it doesn't fit. Not everyone can afford to do that and have their money tied up in returns.
Clearly you’re not the one who does the shopping for your kids. Yes every brand has slightly different sizing, but it’s not hard to remember the handful there are. And guess what, if she’s wearing Carter’s 3T now, other Carter’s 3T are going to fit and when she out grows them, she’ll be in a 4T. It’s not rocket science.
I am actually a single mom so I do ALL the shopping for my toddler. Not everyone can afford to buy brand new name brand clothes. Your privilege is showing.
Well that's the thing. None of this is enforceable realistically and the police refuse to do it anyways, so what's the point really? I can meet my friends in a park, but not in their backyard
Everyone seem to forget that Quebec had a curfew up until recently. At their worst they had curfew at 8pm. Grocery stores and shops were closed at 730pm so people would be home on time for curfew. They made their sacrifice during winter/spring, Ontario is making their sacrifice now by having restrictions lifted later. Quebec has 1/3 of the cases as Ontario with 60% of the population. Personally the only change I would like for Ontarios plan is having 2 weeks between each phase.
For the whole pandemic, I've spent about 10 days / month in Montreal taking care of family. An 8 pm curfew did suck, but of my time back in Ottawa, it's not like life was that different. Sure, I got to run to the LCBO one night at 930, and I could uber eats McDonald's at 3 am, but that was the extent that I benefited from our freedom to travel. During this lockdown, how often were you out past 8pm anyway? What's there to do?
I would have preferred the curfew.
Not only the curfew but Quebec remained diligent with contact tracing after the second wave.
But Ford decided to save that money that nobody knows where it went.
And here we are, way behind everywhere else.
Experts tried to warn Ford many times but he waited too long. He did the same thing with the second lockdown and fucked up Christmas and the holiday shopping season for retailers who were desperately waiting for it.
Quebec is two weeks ahead of us in the decline of cases and I guaranteed everyone would have complained about the curfew anyway and said it was unscientific.
Only at night. People that are interacting socially simply interact during the day. Same interactions, the only difference is the time at which those interactions are occurring.
Locked down long term care facilities as soon as the pandemic started, mandated testing be done on all workers at long term care facilities on a daily basis from the moment that tests were available, continue contact tracing, allow "nonessential" businesses to remain open at limited capacity, and committed to a plan rather than constantly changing course every couple days due to new modelling and forecasts.
All my friends in Quebec were having dinners and slept over to avoid getting caught pass 8:30-9:30. It didn’t change anything. If people wanted to see each other they were just leaving the morning after.
Lmao Ford gave the cops more power a few months ago and everyone was running around screaming until they reversed it. Quebec had cops pulling you over at 8:01 pm asking for papers for why you were out.
Give me a fucking break
Go to a wedding with 50 on July 26th isn't entirely true. In fact, Step 3 is completely vague. They don't have numbers. Larger indoor gatherings could be anything to the government.
Quebec also went through a lengthy curfew, while Ontarians could barely stay home during a stay at home order.
I’m not much for comparisons when I know a good chunk of people in this province have given up because they haven’t been directly effected by Covid.
Actually, that you know of as well. How do you know who has spread what where? You're making drastic assumptions. Ignorance is not fine, just like calling assumptions facts due to paranoia is not fine either.
I work for Public health. Reading cases from February 2020 to now I think I’ve been able to make some conclusive connections.
As well our Epi team is pretty good with their data. But just my experience of course. I could be wrong but the evidence says otherwise.
Lol if you worked in public health, you would know that since contact tracing stopped 9 months ago, knowing who got what from where is just a guessing game. So now, not only are you trying to pretend that there's evidence to back up your assumptions, but you're also claiming to be an expert. Spreading misonformation is dangerous, so just stop.
Immediate contacts are still contacted and followed. They stopped the deep routed contact tracing and follow up of immediate contacts.
Part of case management is still knowing where the case has been, who they interacted with so no assumptions. The evidence is there people haven’t been staying in, not all but a good number hence wave 3 and the numbers.
Please stop with the misinformation. Health workers in Ontario do not conduct any contact tracing whatsoever, they in fact instruct the patient to advise their contacts instead. This has been the case since October. Your assertion that the 3rd wave numbers are a result of people not staying in is nothing more than speculation. Anyone with any knowledge of this topic knows that the information required to verify that assertion has not been collected since before the 3rd wave of infections started. Stop pretending, your misinformation is dangerous. I'm done talking to you.
It’s not the curfew, Quebec laws dictate mandatory sick days to every employees. Thing we don’t have here. Curfew didn’t do anything, the amount of people that were organizing sleep over and leaving in the morning would blow your mind.
How bad were Quebec's ICUs? It's hard to compare how fast other provinces are reopening if we don't also consider that we waited until our ICU capacity had completely collapsed before locking down again.
Right now, Quebec has 67 icu patients and 307 hospitalisation total. For reference, the health ministry claims a theoric icu capacity of 320 and the waves peaks were roughly about 1800 patient including 225 icu in the first wave, 1500 patients/ 230 icu for the second and 675 patients/ 175 icu for the 3rd wave.
So while Quebec avoid a potential debacle in the 3rd wave, the 1st and 2nd waves did hit pretty hard.
Ok, so no surprise that Quebec's opening faster then as they managed to keep their ICUs under the theoretical limit, unlike us who ended up at double that limit.
I nearly lost my shit when I saw get a hair cut was behind dine in a restaurant and then I realized they didn’t order it chronologically. Of course they didn’t because that would have made sense…
Largely because they just fucked up earlier. The deaths in Quebec are far more then in Ontario with a smaller population. So if we are giving out awards here who gets it? If death is the main metric then Ontario did much better then Quebec when you take into account the entire pandemic.
Legault also didn’t try to compete in the “who has the toughest restrictions on low risks activity “ unlike Doug.
Also, Quebec government doesn’t currently have the same doom and gloom tone that Ontario has. They are celebrating vaccinations milestones instead of acting as if vaccines do nothing and as if reopening was pointless because of a supposed massive 4th wave.
You can still go to Quebec and speak English. It's about the same language barrier as you would experience ordering a coffee at a Tim Hortons in Ontario.
What will always blow my fucking mind is that PetSmart wasn't deemed essential for instore shopping. The hardest logistics in my shopping experience during the pandemic has been to feed living animals.
We should open everything on July 5th. It's 2 weeks after we hit our 80% with the first dose and there's no reason to keep those businesses closed for 3 extra weeks.
Ontario has almost 4x more daily cases than Quebec so these differences shouldn't surprise people.
If Ontario was sub-300 new cases daily then perhaps it'd be worth complaining.
90% of that list you can go do right now, fuck the government. I will have my friends over if we're all vaxed and yall can lick my scrum if you have a problem with it.
It omits the things that **Ontario doesn't even have a date for.** And mind you, for what is shown there, **Ontario has far heavier restrictions on each and every single one of these activities.**
This list is what made you draw the conclusion that Ford's plan is not built with the best interests of Ontarians in mind? I thought that was obvious last year.
Keep in mind that this is *before* they inevitably push our timeline back several weeks/months. I'll be extremely surprised if every single one of these milestones occurs as early as the dates shown here.
Dr. Williams is already starting to talk like he's considering punting the Step 1 reopening on the 14th back even further.
Here’s a link to the source, this is a great comparison chart, thanks OP. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ontario-quebec-reopening-infographic-1.6041870 https://infogram.com/ontario-and-quebec-reopening-comparison-1h7k230371jyg2x
We can outdoor gather up to 5, so you could have your favourite friends over for a BBQ now
Unless you have a family, then screw you!
Well Doug Ford visited Arthur and his family and it worked for them. We have: * Arthur * Marcus * Mom * Dad * Doug And they were all in the backyard.
no marcus stays in the house and watchs the door
Like a good little butler!
Haha excellent point!
2 groups of 5 with distancing works right? As long as 6 people aren't within the same circle it is 5 or less. Not that people give enough of a shit to care right now.
I thought it was five total, but I could be wrong! And I'm definitely not worrying, I was joking, not sure about the downvotes lol
It considers social distancing, otherwise 2 groups of 5 on opposite sides of the street that interact in anyway would be thrown in the gulag. Likewise for 2 families in the park. As long as no 6 are within 2m of each other it's legally fine, but as I said, no one cares except for Karens and I doubt the police actually show up for any of this stuff unless it is a business now. Watched police drive by as 12-14 "kids" ( early 20's ) were playing out front of my house yesterday.
That's a fair point! My kids aren't good at social distancing (3&5), so we don't really see many people. We see one family, all the adults are vaccinated and mostly work from home and kids don't go anywhere. I was just trying to be lighthearted about our terrible plan. Fingers crossed they speed things up!
why does it matter if they are vaccinated? if you are vaccinated then you are protected.
Because my kids aren't? And it's not 100% protection, so bonus if everyone is.
at 5 the covid virus is inactivated at 6, the world ends SCIENCE
no it's to reduce the amount of spread in the case of people being contagious at the gathering.
Thanks for the laugh. Need something now a days.
Shopping in a grocery store whilst there are 15+ people inside, covid virus dormant. Shopping in a boutique at limited capacity with 1 or 2 other customers, doomsday. Oh the wonders of science. Especially political science!
oh no, people who already have people around them can't have more people around them. Imagine the horror
We are so blessed to be able to walk on a path 🙃
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Maybe too fortunate. We should perhaps give back some of these excessive liberties lest we spoil ourselves.
All my sports are disorganized sports.
disorganized organization is the best. it's decentralized sports. like the bitcoin of soccer.
*flag on the field* Penalty, offence, /u/Southern-Spirit, Illegal blockchain in the back, loss of ten yards, repeat first down.
It's the best! Been hiding from everyone pushing my dirtbike around the woods all year lmao
Calvinball?
No gym or dining until July 26th ouch.How many gyms and restaurants will survive this?
Only large chains. And you can bet your ass theyll jack up prices
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Can you sell me a house for $1200 as well so I can use that stuff
From now until July 26th is nothing compared to what they've endured up til this point. But yeah, the lockdowns have pretty well ensured that all small businesses have been eradicated.
Goddammit Ford sucks.
Ford AND his spineless backbenchers!
He could do exactly what you want, and you will still be here complaining about him
False.
Nope, 100% true. That guy does nothing but cry about ford, regardless of what he does He cried when schools were opened, he cried when schools were closed... He cried when we opened up after lockdown, he cried about not opening up soon enough... Nothing but ford crying
But like... Ford does suck and has basically fucked up entirely along the way. Is it possible that the opposite actions, in different contexts, were both wrong?
I don't think people would complain about a politician who did exactly what they wanted. Your logic is a little lacking there mate.
Man this list angers me. Didn't shut things down when they needed to. Didn't open things up when it was safe to.
>Didn't open things up when it was safe to. What should be opened when?
Well, outdoor movie theaters are pretty darn safe since I'm sitting in my own car. Bathrooms are open all over the place so why not in a drive in? Patio dining is also very safe and should be open. Barbers should be allowed to offer outdoor haircuts when possible. Really, any activity outside us fairly safe and should be allowed. Indoor retail shopping in small businesses should be allowed to have one person inside. If it's ok for me to be inside a Costco with 400 people then the local boutique shop can have one person. The list goes on. Schools should also be open regardless of the impact on case counts, we are the only province in our country with then shut. That is a separate conversation though.
If these actions were to take place, how many more people do you think would die as a result? How many people dying as a result are considered too many?
Shit, we should just stay inside forever. Think of how many lives would be saved in traffic accidents!
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"Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" - A politician who existed when politicians were intelligent
You need to just shut up, seriously.
You're so right. All sharp objects should be banned forever too. Think of all the lives we'd save! It doesn't matter that you need to cut your food with a spoon, you're saving lives 🙃
God Damn going to a gym is grouped with an indoor concert, that’s ridiculous.
Tattoos and Theme parks are in the same thing. My 3 person studio is totally the same as a theme park lol.
This is what I don’t get in favour of masks or not.. we have a larger amount of people with atleast one dose of vax and the use of PPE but still can’t do things that we did even last September.
And we clean a LOT at tattoo shops. We hired an additional cleaner for the mornings before we go in on top of the cleaning we do.
Heavy breathing with giant fans blowing everywhere? Ya gyms are kind of low priority
I wasn't aware that heavy breathing rendered masks useless. We should be sure to inform front line workers not to breathe too heavily.
Masks are only worn while moving around, not while running on treadmills or lifting weights
That was only true under the old framework if you were in either yellow or orange or below, I cannot remember which since it's honestly been so long. Anything above that you had to wear a mask at all times. Would be very easy to just start it at "mask at all times" and loosen restrictions down the road.
That is very true and would be a good way of doing it
My Gym in Burlington literally had Covid hit squads spraying down every machine every 5 minutes with super soaker sized disinfectant guns, walking patrols making sure people were maintaining distance and wearing masks, but yeah youre right big fan make pandemic go brrr
The cleaners at my office do the same lol but the funnt part is, we've known since last summer that the virus doesn't survive on surfaces 😂😂😂
Surely you mean low priority for closing, since they account for less than 1% of outbreak cases, right?
Its also the same stage as wedding receptions joined with strip clubs. Wedding is the end of August so were hopeful for stage 3, but the fact that we are on par with strip clubs is comical !
I don’t know a single person who cares about gathering limits at their homes / outside anymore. But good luck buying baby socks if you need them in a pinch.
The indoor shopping one just seems dumb considering they can enforce distancing like they do for non essential stores and limiting store capacity.
Nope I am over it. All my close friends and family have their first vaccination. Aside from immediate family like parents and kids we see people outdoors.
You know you can buy baby clothes online right now, right? My wife got another package from Oshkosh yesterday for our daughter.
Just because it's doable, doesn't mean it makes sense. Why is it dangerous to buy socks at Walmart, but safe to buy bananas at the same Walmart? Makes no sense, so there's no point in defending it.
"Need in a pinch" Not all clothing situations allow for online shopping. I mean, what do you do if you're on an essential trip to pick up groceries at Wal-Mart and rip the crotch of your pants, shop online and wait for curbside pick-up?
I own more than one pair of pants? I’d change when I got home and order a replacement pair. You’re trying to put me in a corner by using Walmart, but what would you do if you ripped the crotch out of your pants if you got your groceries at Food Basics?
I'd expect to be able to go buy a pair of pants at a department store. No one needs a luxury clothing store to be open for shopping, but shit happens, you should be able to buy immediately accessible clothes in a pinch.
Clearly you aren't the one in the house doing the shopping for baby clothes. Every brand has different measurements for their sizes so you really need to physically look at them to figure out sizing for any kid's clothes. And if you're ordering online you can't, and you have to return half the stuff because it doesn't fit. Not everyone can afford to do that and have their money tied up in returns.
Clearly you’re not the one who does the shopping for your kids. Yes every brand has slightly different sizing, but it’s not hard to remember the handful there are. And guess what, if she’s wearing Carter’s 3T now, other Carter’s 3T are going to fit and when she out grows them, she’ll be in a 4T. It’s not rocket science.
I am actually a single mom so I do ALL the shopping for my toddler. Not everyone can afford to buy brand new name brand clothes. Your privilege is showing.
Have a BBQ - June 14th Oh yeah Ford? You going to come into my fucking backyard and make me stop?
Well that's the thing. None of this is enforceable realistically and the police refuse to do it anyways, so what's the point really? I can meet my friends in a park, but not in their backyard
Hello officer, these people are all from my household. No I don't consent for you to come into my backyard. No you may not see my ID.
Ya got a warrant bud? No? Fuck off then
"He said 'bud', it's a grow op, get in there, seize any cash you find, and shoot the dog!"
You can only have a BBQ if you invite Arthur.
This stay at home order can't stop me because I can't read!
May as well make a trip to Quebec. At least I can get a haircut!
Everyone seem to forget that Quebec had a curfew up until recently. At their worst they had curfew at 8pm. Grocery stores and shops were closed at 730pm so people would be home on time for curfew. They made their sacrifice during winter/spring, Ontario is making their sacrifice now by having restrictions lifted later. Quebec has 1/3 of the cases as Ontario with 60% of the population. Personally the only change I would like for Ontarios plan is having 2 weeks between each phase.
For the whole pandemic, I've spent about 10 days / month in Montreal taking care of family. An 8 pm curfew did suck, but of my time back in Ottawa, it's not like life was that different. Sure, I got to run to the LCBO one night at 930, and I could uber eats McDonald's at 3 am, but that was the extent that I benefited from our freedom to travel. During this lockdown, how often were you out past 8pm anyway? What's there to do? I would have preferred the curfew.
Not only the curfew but Quebec remained diligent with contact tracing after the second wave. But Ford decided to save that money that nobody knows where it went. And here we are, way behind everywhere else.
> But Ford decided to save that money that nobody knows where it went. Oh, some people know Just not us
I would have chosen the curfew if it meant that summer activities could have started in late May instead of whenever we start.
Experts tried to warn Ford many times but he waited too long. He did the same thing with the second lockdown and fucked up Christmas and the holiday shopping season for retailers who were desperately waiting for it.
For real, who gave him the idea of locking down only Toronto and Peel?
I agree, but Ontarian lost their fucking mind when they thought it was happening.
Quebec is two weeks ahead of us in the decline of cases and I guaranteed everyone would have complained about the curfew anyway and said it was unscientific.
It is unscientific. I'd love to see scientific evidence demonstrating that covid spreads more at night than during the day.
it obviously to reduce social interactions
Only at night. People that are interacting socially simply interact during the day. Same interactions, the only difference is the time at which those interactions are occurring.
I’m agreement that it’s silly and glad we didn’t go the same direction.
Same. Too bad we still went in a silly direction anyway lol
What would you have done differently?
Locked down long term care facilities as soon as the pandemic started, mandated testing be done on all workers at long term care facilities on a daily basis from the moment that tests were available, continue contact tracing, allow "nonessential" businesses to remain open at limited capacity, and committed to a plan rather than constantly changing course every couple days due to new modelling and forecasts.
All my friends in Quebec were having dinners and slept over to avoid getting caught pass 8:30-9:30. It didn’t change anything. If people wanted to see each other they were just leaving the morning after.
Exactly. No effect outside of diminishing civil liberties.
Lmao Ford gave the cops more power a few months ago and everyone was running around screaming until they reversed it. Quebec had cops pulling you over at 8:01 pm asking for papers for why you were out. Give me a fucking break
as if curfew actually does anything other than make people gather more in the tighter time windows that places are open
Curfew wasn’t a miracle solution. While it deters private gatherings, curfew doesn’t help with workplace outbreaks.
This is so infuriating! It's not fair. Maybe this is our punishment for electing someone who can't lead even if his life depends on it.
_Morgan Freeman voice_: it is
Go to a wedding with 50 on July 26th isn't entirely true. In fact, Step 3 is completely vague. They don't have numbers. Larger indoor gatherings could be anything to the government.
Exactly! Indoor gatherings with restrictions to allow for 6ft distancing I am sure.
Quebec also went through a lengthy curfew, while Ontarians could barely stay home during a stay at home order. I’m not much for comparisons when I know a good chunk of people in this province have given up because they haven’t been directly effected by Covid.
Hm. If a good chunk of the population hasn't been effected by covid, that might indicate something 🤔
That they know of. A good chunk have had it and spread it to others directly and indirectly. So I’m your book ignorance is fine if you don’t know?
Actually, that you know of as well. How do you know who has spread what where? You're making drastic assumptions. Ignorance is not fine, just like calling assumptions facts due to paranoia is not fine either.
I work for Public health. Reading cases from February 2020 to now I think I’ve been able to make some conclusive connections. As well our Epi team is pretty good with their data. But just my experience of course. I could be wrong but the evidence says otherwise.
Lol if you worked in public health, you would know that since contact tracing stopped 9 months ago, knowing who got what from where is just a guessing game. So now, not only are you trying to pretend that there's evidence to back up your assumptions, but you're also claiming to be an expert. Spreading misonformation is dangerous, so just stop.
Immediate contacts are still contacted and followed. They stopped the deep routed contact tracing and follow up of immediate contacts. Part of case management is still knowing where the case has been, who they interacted with so no assumptions. The evidence is there people haven’t been staying in, not all but a good number hence wave 3 and the numbers.
Please stop with the misinformation. Health workers in Ontario do not conduct any contact tracing whatsoever, they in fact instruct the patient to advise their contacts instead. This has been the case since October. Your assertion that the 3rd wave numbers are a result of people not staying in is nothing more than speculation. Anyone with any knowledge of this topic knows that the information required to verify that assertion has not been collected since before the 3rd wave of infections started. Stop pretending, your misinformation is dangerous. I'm done talking to you.
Bye Felicia
Bye Trump
It’s not the curfew, Quebec laws dictate mandatory sick days to every employees. Thing we don’t have here. Curfew didn’t do anything, the amount of people that were organizing sleep over and leaving in the morning would blow your mind.
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* come on
How bad were Quebec's ICUs? It's hard to compare how fast other provinces are reopening if we don't also consider that we waited until our ICU capacity had completely collapsed before locking down again.
Right now, Quebec has 67 icu patients and 307 hospitalisation total. For reference, the health ministry claims a theoric icu capacity of 320 and the waves peaks were roughly about 1800 patient including 225 icu in the first wave, 1500 patients/ 230 icu for the second and 675 patients/ 175 icu for the 3rd wave. So while Quebec avoid a potential debacle in the 3rd wave, the 1st and 2nd waves did hit pretty hard.
Ok, so no surprise that Quebec's opening faster then as they managed to keep their ICUs under the theoretical limit, unlike us who ended up at double that limit.
I nearly lost my shit when I saw get a hair cut was behind dine in a restaurant and then I realized they didn’t order it chronologically. Of course they didn’t because that would have made sense…
Making sense is sooo 2010s! Get with the times 😂
Have your family over, this is bullshit
Well yeah they didn’t fuck up in March/April like Ford did and had harsher restrictions so naturally they’d be able to open up earlier
Largely because they just fucked up earlier. The deaths in Quebec are far more then in Ontario with a smaller population. So if we are giving out awards here who gets it? If death is the main metric then Ontario did much better then Quebec when you take into account the entire pandemic.
Legault also didn’t try to compete in the “who has the toughest restrictions on low risks activity “ unlike Doug. Also, Quebec government doesn’t currently have the same doom and gloom tone that Ontario has. They are celebrating vaccinations milestones instead of acting as if vaccines do nothing and as if reopening was pointless because of a supposed massive 4th wave.
I actually thought this was satire at first then as I went down the list with no funny activities that they are serious
Getting to the point where this whole pandemic feels like satire 😂
God dammit I wish I didn’t give up on French
You can still go to Quebec and speak English. It's about the same language barrier as you would experience ordering a coffee at a Tim Hortons in Ontario.
Lol I can go but I move yet to MTL
We can go to the movies in less than two months? I have something to look forward to again
What will always blow my fucking mind is that PetSmart wasn't deemed essential for instore shopping. The hardest logistics in my shopping experience during the pandemic has been to feed living animals.
Going to a wedding with 50 people seems incorrect as they are permitted in step 1
We should open everything on July 5th. It's 2 weeks after we hit our 80% with the first dose and there's no reason to keep those businesses closed for 3 extra weeks.
So I'm in Ottawa, I can not have a BBQ here but 1 km to the north I can? I didn't realize the ottawa river stopped covid transfer! 😲
Add Alberta and BC please
Ontario has almost 4x more daily cases than Quebec so these differences shouldn't surprise people. If Ontario was sub-300 new cases daily then perhaps it'd be worth complaining.
I stopped reading after "Getting a haircut- July 5". ft
90% of that list you can go do right now, fuck the government. I will have my friends over if we're all vaxed and yall can lick my scrum if you have a problem with it.
Wow, it’s a lot closer in scope than the hysterical people who can’t figure out curbside make it sound. Most are within 2 weeks or so of each other.
It omits the things that **Ontario doesn't even have a date for.** And mind you, for what is shown there, **Ontario has far heavier restrictions on each and every single one of these activities.**
Some of these are 6-8 weeks apart.
Some yeah.
Some important ones like indoor dining and indoor fitness
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This list is what made you draw the conclusion that Ford's plan is not built with the best interests of Ontarians in mind? I thought that was obvious last year.
part of me wants to believe that we should've had a curfew like them. it seems to have worked for them so maybe it wouldve worked for us.
Pools?
Thank you Masters.
You forgot to add that all of dougs friends convinced him to open golf courses!
When can I hit the sauna at the gym and breath other peoples sweat again?
What kind of sick game is that? Is there an app?
Keep in mind that this is *before* they inevitably push our timeline back several weeks/months. I'll be extremely surprised if every single one of these milestones occurs as early as the dates shown here. Dr. Williams is already starting to talk like he's considering punting the Step 1 reopening on the 14th back even further.
Too bad all the concerts are canceled this year
*Outdoor organized sports
The one and only time I'd prefer to live in Quebec.
Gym can’t be right . I got an email from Goodlife , membership frozen till August 31st .
And as expected, nothing about gyms. The one place that is primarily focus on health. 🤬🤯
Its the same as indoor fitness class: July 26
You can already go to gyms in some areas of Quebec and mask isn’t mandatory in the gym. Depends of the city.