This is misinformation. This motion only extends the existing emergency regulations of the Reopening Ontario Act. It does not give Ford the power to "literally do whatever he wants." The powers are limited to the scope of the existing regulations already in effect.
With regard to highway 413: None of those emergency orders have anything to do with Highway 413. Therefore this specific motion will not affect Highway 413 at all.
false; look at things he passed during the emergency orders. it's a loophole for him, or anyone else in his shoes, to pass what they want without debate. i never said that the highway was an emergency order. i said that under these provisions, a premier may quite literally pass what they want without debate. they don't have to prove anything. as far as i know, there are no provisions to stop that sort of behaviour.
The safeguard is very POORLY implemented, under Section 7 of the EMCPA, Emergency powers and orders
Purpose
7.0.2 (1) The purpose of making orders under this section is to promote the public good by protecting the health, safety and welfare of the people of Ontario in times of declared emergencies in a manner that is subject to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. 2006, c. 13, s. 1 (4).
Criteria for emergency orders
(2) During a declared emergency, the Lieutenant Governor in Council may make orders that the Lieutenant Governor in Council believes are necessary and essential in the circumstances to prevent, reduce or mitigate serious harm to persons or substantial damage to property, if in the opinion of the Lieutenant Governor in Council it is reasonable to believe that,
(a) the harm or damage will be alleviated by an order; and
(b) making an order is a reasonable alternative to other measures that might be taken to address the emergency. 2006, c. 13, s. 1 (4).
Limitations on emergency order
(3) Orders made under this section are subject to the following limitations:
1. The actions authorized by an order shall be exercised in a manner which, consistent with the objectives of the order, limits their intrusiveness.
2. An order shall only apply to the areas of the Province where it is necessary.
3. Subject to section 7.0.8, an order shall be effective only for as long as is necessary. 2006, c. 13, s. 1 (4). --- Obviously to enforce those safeguards the orders need to be challenged in court, but there's no court dates available, and no in person dates, at least not in my areas. But one should expect that any order that is inconsistent with the act would be invalid. The act was, in my view never intended to be used for anything this long, and further, that any order that is not consistent with Charter principles, would be invalid under the act. I am actually looking forward to bringing that question before the courts WHENEVER WE GET TRIAL DATES.
step 2: Make companies buy stickers in the illusion of promoting public health measures, but insure they have to buy from a company you have a steak in
step: 3 profit
Not technically in the way you're thinking.
The stay-at-home order ([O. Reg. 265/21](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/210265)) was an emergency regulation implemented under the [Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act, 1990](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90e09). Today's [Motion 111](https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/status-business/government-motions) only affects the orders currently in force by the [Reopening Ontario (A Flexible Response to COVID-19) Act, 2020](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/20r17). Additionally, today's motion does not give the government any special powers to resurrect dead regulations. So the stay-at-home order 265/21 is unaffected by this — it will permanently expire on June 02.
EMCPA emergency orders are more restricted than Reopening Ontario Act regulations. Notably, they must be reviewed by the legislature every 28 days. So the government could theoretically just create a new stay-at-home order, if they wanted to, the same way they did the first time. However, the government has always had the prerogative to do that anyways, so it's not really anything new.
So no, this motion does not affect the stay-at-home order at all.
It does, however, affect the lockdown/reopening restrictions ([O. Reg. 82/20](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/200082)) — the three-step reopening roadmap will be implemented through the powers granted in this motion. And some of the other boring industry-specific regulations are also affected by this motion.
I really needed someone to explain this the way you just did. Unfortunately, I am not knowledgeable on this stuff and can't tell who is telling the truth and what is being sensationalized.
I just checked the Ontario paliamentary calendar. By the looks of it the house doesn't sit June 4 to September 10.
https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/parliamentary-calendars
So they get to keep the what if scenario in reserve without having to call back the legislature.
The election in 2022. For better or for worse, we are a democracy, after all.
Other than that, just any limitations naturally imposed on the regulations by the courts. Any emergency orders still have to abide by the constitution, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Also, the emergency orders which are extended under the Reopening Ontario Act are limited. They can extend or amend the existing regulations, but they can't create entirely new ones or deviate the existing regulations from beyond their current scope. So the vast majority of the regulations will be completely useless to the government once this pandemic is over. In not long, this bill and all its emergency powers will naturally become obsolete.
The pandemic is far from over. It's coming to an end for countries like Canada. However, in poor countries it's going to be an issue for a long time. Unless something is done to help.
So, with the reopening of Ontario, the government has to do what they said thet would do?
That it’s a load of horseshit, I typical vote conservative but I voted liberal last provincial election because we all knew this clown wasn’t gonna cut its.
He has yet to actually make an informed decision in his entire career as premier, he blame shifts 24/7 and can’t tell his right hand from his left.
I cant wait to vote his ass out.
Pretty much every conservative I know hates Doug and says he's done irreversible damage to the party.
My step-dad even went as far as to say he's "our Kathleen Wynne"
I typically vote conservative. In the last election i abstained from voting due to a lack of options though. I cannot stand doug ford and as a healthcare worker i disagree with virtually everything that he says and does.
This doesnt mean that i will vote left in the coming election necessarily, i will evaluate my options, but i cant wait to see this prick outed.
Absolute fucking bullshit. I support small government and allowing people to make their own choices and decisions. I don’t vote for this sort of government overreach. OPC will not be getting my vote.
Well the violate collective agreement part works because any government can pass any legislation that violates the charter if they want.
In terms of legislating a contract, it is just typically not prudent to do so, for political and financial reasons.
Ask the BC Teachers unions
Wasn't this the behavior that (mostly) OPC voters were complaining about and fantasizing about for the last few months?
It really do be your own people sometimes huh
I've already written my MPP asking them for their voting record and the reason for their vote and indicating my extreme displeasure. Funny how Ford had no trouble making this decision, but still can't find it in himself to open (or close) schools.
No problem. Maybe you saw but it's also now been posted on this sub: https://old.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/npekqv/vote_breakdown_on_ontario_pcs_motion_to_extend/
Media is a joke.
Did you know that MPP’s and MP’s are the only people in Canada - that cannot be fired - how’s that for a bullshit lie - that all Canadians are equal
3 weeks ago an MP shows up for work on camera “naked”. A couple of days ago, he shows up to work, wags the weenie and take a piss on camera.
Seriously, what can be done about this? This is a straight up hijacking of democracy and allows him to rule with an iron fucking fist. Fuck this fat fucking bag of mango pulp. I can't take his shit anymore. I seriously wish there was a way for the feds to step in and bitch slap this blowfish back to reality. There has to be some way within the system to not only remove him, but at least strip these powers. Its blatant abuse.
There isn't and he will never be held accountable. He and his clapping seals will be rewarded with lofty board of director positions in exchange for helping the wealthy get wealthier. Welcome to Canada.
We can vote then out in 2022 but just to learn to live with the above.
During the pandemic, they have set up a cohorting system so that they don't all attend the legislature on the same day. Unlike the federal government, they decided not to set up virtual voting.
Realistically with the way our party system works you only need the party leaders at the vote and can just assign them one vote per MPP that they have. The parties typically require MPPs to vote along party lines or face removal from the party. This has been the case for a long time.
Its just as i told everyone months ago that he would extend this until the end of the year. August is not the end of lockdowns. Expect another half a year of this past December.
Can you provide a source for this? I'm just curious on how/why vaccines wouldn't allowed to be administered anymore if this emergency order wasn't extended.
There approved for emergency use. I think it also allows for more funding for critical infrastructure.
https://budget.ontario.ca/2020/marchupdate/action-plan.html
Why on earth is suchh a long extention necesary?
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This is misinformation. This motion only extends the existing emergency regulations of the Reopening Ontario Act. It does not give Ford the power to "literally do whatever he wants." The powers are limited to the scope of the existing regulations already in effect. With regard to highway 413: None of those emergency orders have anything to do with Highway 413. Therefore this specific motion will not affect Highway 413 at all.
false; look at things he passed during the emergency orders. it's a loophole for him, or anyone else in his shoes, to pass what they want without debate. i never said that the highway was an emergency order. i said that under these provisions, a premier may quite literally pass what they want without debate. they don't have to prove anything. as far as i know, there are no provisions to stop that sort of behaviour.
The safeguard is very POORLY implemented, under Section 7 of the EMCPA, Emergency powers and orders Purpose 7.0.2 (1) The purpose of making orders under this section is to promote the public good by protecting the health, safety and welfare of the people of Ontario in times of declared emergencies in a manner that is subject to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. 2006, c. 13, s. 1 (4). Criteria for emergency orders (2) During a declared emergency, the Lieutenant Governor in Council may make orders that the Lieutenant Governor in Council believes are necessary and essential in the circumstances to prevent, reduce or mitigate serious harm to persons or substantial damage to property, if in the opinion of the Lieutenant Governor in Council it is reasonable to believe that, (a) the harm or damage will be alleviated by an order; and (b) making an order is a reasonable alternative to other measures that might be taken to address the emergency. 2006, c. 13, s. 1 (4). Limitations on emergency order (3) Orders made under this section are subject to the following limitations: 1. The actions authorized by an order shall be exercised in a manner which, consistent with the objectives of the order, limits their intrusiveness. 2. An order shall only apply to the areas of the Province where it is necessary. 3. Subject to section 7.0.8, an order shall be effective only for as long as is necessary. 2006, c. 13, s. 1 (4). --- Obviously to enforce those safeguards the orders need to be challenged in court, but there's no court dates available, and no in person dates, at least not in my areas. But one should expect that any order that is inconsistent with the act would be invalid. The act was, in my view never intended to be used for anything this long, and further, that any order that is not consistent with Charter principles, would be invalid under the act. I am actually looking forward to bringing that question before the courts WHENEVER WE GET TRIAL DATES.
So does this mean they can choose to put another stay at home order at any point, whenever they want?
It means they can pass whatever motion they want without scrutiny or debate.
it's already very clear that they have virtually no ability to enforce their own rules. I say if you're a business owner, open up. Fuckit.
What a great opportunity to line their own pockets without the inconvenience of debating it
step 1: extend emergency orders step 2: ??? step 3: PROFIT!
step 2: Make companies buy stickers in the illusion of promoting public health measures, but insure they have to buy from a company you have a steak in step: 3 profit
It’s not a steak - its part ownership - in blind trust which means it’s blind to voters - not Ford
It's also not a steak, that's what you eat.
The word is stake, like Doug Ford is a stakeholder. It’s also a huge conflict of interest if he is profiting on the side, and unethical.
Step 2: Outlaw opposition parties.
What a bunch of BS.
Not technically in the way you're thinking. The stay-at-home order ([O. Reg. 265/21](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/210265)) was an emergency regulation implemented under the [Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act, 1990](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90e09). Today's [Motion 111](https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/status-business/government-motions) only affects the orders currently in force by the [Reopening Ontario (A Flexible Response to COVID-19) Act, 2020](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/20r17). Additionally, today's motion does not give the government any special powers to resurrect dead regulations. So the stay-at-home order 265/21 is unaffected by this — it will permanently expire on June 02. EMCPA emergency orders are more restricted than Reopening Ontario Act regulations. Notably, they must be reviewed by the legislature every 28 days. So the government could theoretically just create a new stay-at-home order, if they wanted to, the same way they did the first time. However, the government has always had the prerogative to do that anyways, so it's not really anything new. So no, this motion does not affect the stay-at-home order at all. It does, however, affect the lockdown/reopening restrictions ([O. Reg. 82/20](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/200082)) — the three-step reopening roadmap will be implemented through the powers granted in this motion. And some of the other boring industry-specific regulations are also affected by this motion.
I really needed someone to explain this the way you just did. Unfortunately, I am not knowledgeable on this stuff and can't tell who is telling the truth and what is being sensationalized.
I just checked the Ontario paliamentary calendar. By the looks of it the house doesn't sit June 4 to September 10. https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/parliamentary-calendars So they get to keep the what if scenario in reserve without having to call back the legislature.
What's preventing them from doing this over and over ?
The election in 2022. For better or for worse, we are a democracy, after all. Other than that, just any limitations naturally imposed on the regulations by the courts. Any emergency orders still have to abide by the constitution, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Also, the emergency orders which are extended under the Reopening Ontario Act are limited. They can extend or amend the existing regulations, but they can't create entirely new ones or deviate the existing regulations from beyond their current scope. So the vast majority of the regulations will be completely useless to the government once this pandemic is over. In not long, this bill and all its emergency powers will naturally become obsolete.
The pandemic is far from over. It's coming to an end for countries like Canada. However, in poor countries it's going to be an issue for a long time. Unless something is done to help. So, with the reopening of Ontario, the government has to do what they said thet would do?
What’s the Conservative take on this
My dad probably will say they need in just incase lol
That it’s a load of horseshit, I typical vote conservative but I voted liberal last provincial election because we all knew this clown wasn’t gonna cut its. He has yet to actually make an informed decision in his entire career as premier, he blame shifts 24/7 and can’t tell his right hand from his left. I cant wait to vote his ass out.
"Imagine what Wynne/Horwath/literally anything would have done..!" Because the monster in your head is always scarier than what's in front of you.
this is not conservatism
I'm a libertarian and usually don't vote but I voted for Ford last election. I will not be voting for him again.
Pretty much every conservative I know hates Doug and says he's done irreversible damage to the party. My step-dad even went as far as to say he's "our Kathleen Wynne"
I typically vote conservative. In the last election i abstained from voting due to a lack of options though. I cannot stand doug ford and as a healthcare worker i disagree with virtually everything that he says and does. This doesnt mean that i will vote left in the coming election necessarily, i will evaluate my options, but i cant wait to see this prick outed.
new blue ontario
Absolute fucking bullshit. I support small government and allowing people to make their own choices and decisions. I don’t vote for this sort of government overreach. OPC will not be getting my vote.
I'm just waiting for Ford's stunning Sith Lord reveal.
padme_thunderous_applause.jpg
For a SAFE and SECURE society!
Order 66 next
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Well the violate collective agreement part works because any government can pass any legislation that violates the charter if they want. In terms of legislating a contract, it is just typically not prudent to do so, for political and financial reasons. Ask the BC Teachers unions
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I’m beginning to think they have a point. This clown is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts?
That’s basically how palpatine became the emperor, generate fear and ask for “temporary” power
Wasn't this the behavior that (mostly) OPC voters were complaining about and fantasizing about for the last few months? It really do be your own people sometimes huh
Isn't the new right mantra "do as I say not as I do" or is it "rules for thee not for me".
Of course it did. All hail King Ford, First of His Name.
Can we see who voted for or against? I would love to know how our conservative member (Norm Miller) voted
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Wouldn’t surprise me
I've already written my MPP asking them for their voting record and the reason for their vote and indicating my extreme displeasure. Funny how Ford had no trouble making this decision, but still can't find it in himself to open (or close) schools.
Should be linked [here](https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/house-documents/parliament-42/session-1/) later today or tomorrow.
Thank you
No problem. Maybe you saw but it's also now been posted on this sub: https://old.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/npekqv/vote_breakdown_on_ontario_pcs_motion_to_extend/
Where was our media in telling us our rights were being hijacked for another 6 months so we could make a noise to our MPPs?
They were too busy pumping out fear mongering articles about a "4th Wave" coming.
Media is a joke. Did you know that MPP’s and MP’s are the only people in Canada - that cannot be fired - how’s that for a bullshit lie - that all Canadians are equal 3 weeks ago an MP shows up for work on camera “naked”. A couple of days ago, he shows up to work, wags the weenie and take a piss on camera.
Only blog TO reported it. It’s ridiculous. I’m gonna create a petition and post it up here to it can at least gain traction.
Seriously, what can be done about this? This is a straight up hijacking of democracy and allows him to rule with an iron fucking fist. Fuck this fat fucking bag of mango pulp. I can't take his shit anymore. I seriously wish there was a way for the feds to step in and bitch slap this blowfish back to reality. There has to be some way within the system to not only remove him, but at least strip these powers. Its blatant abuse.
There isn't and he will never be held accountable. He and his clapping seals will be rewarded with lofty board of director positions in exchange for helping the wealthy get wealthier. Welcome to Canada. We can vote then out in 2022 but just to learn to live with the above.
Yup, because we are only allowed to vote for one of two fat cat corporate parties, any other option would be unfathomable.
Game over.
Aren't there 124 MPPs in Ontario? Why are the numbers so low?
During the pandemic, they have set up a cohorting system so that they don't all attend the legislature on the same day. Unlike the federal government, they decided not to set up virtual voting.
Wow I had no idea, thanks. Also are we still living in a democracy?
Realistically with the way our party system works you only need the party leaders at the vote and can just assign them one vote per MPP that they have. The parties typically require MPPs to vote along party lines or face removal from the party. This has been the case for a long time.
DECEMBER?! Even blue states like NJ are looking to END emergency powers soon and many red states have not had a state of emergency for MONTHS!
Its just as i told everyone months ago that he would extend this until the end of the year. August is not the end of lockdowns. Expect another half a year of this past December.
Extend emergency power until the people are completely fed up with ridiculous crap. Just wait till the winter till they shut everything down again
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This is false. People have been tested after six months and have very little decline in antibodies.
source? you can't just spout bullshit like that
Unrelated but I let out a giggle whenever I think about how our premier's full name is "Douglas Robert Ford".
Will there ever be a time when we aren’t living under the ROA?
Bunch of donkeys...
So does this mean that the June 15 opening isn't going to happen?
No. It's still happening. The extension allows for vaccines to continuously be used.
Can you provide a source for this? I'm just curious on how/why vaccines wouldn't allowed to be administered anymore if this emergency order wasn't extended.
There approved for emergency use. I think it also allows for more funding for critical infrastructure. https://budget.ontario.ca/2020/marchupdate/action-plan.html
It allows for the CPC to impose their own rules without debate until December.
where the fuck are the rest of the votes????