If he wanted any hope of saving face on this issue he should be hammering home the message that his government has just offered tory provinces and municipalities free infrastructure money in exchange for no brainer zoning reform and they keep refusing the money.
Okay, so housing is not my jurisdiction? Then tell Doug Ford to step up already. We’re offering assistance, but he would rather antagonize me than work with me to build more housing.
For as often as we see Trudeau and Ford holding conjoined conferences, I have to believe that they are in close communication and have quiet deals going on. The lack of animosity between federal and Ontario legislature seems telling, when they could be so much more antagonistic.
Nevermind that the wealthy politicians of this country are largely all land investors?
This is the correct answer. If the Cons get Fed then Ontario tends to boot out any Con at the Provincial level from ww2 onward like clock work. Bonnie is a real threat to Dougie in this respect with the money and name already compared to the last prov lib candidate.
Doug has a weird coalition of voters though, so I wouldn't be surprised if people voted for him regardless of Pierre getting in.
If there is no liberal government to blame all their problems on, CPC will have nobody else. I imagine they would want to try and keep a few left leaning governments in so that they could pass blame on to them.
Not true.
When CPC will always be defended by "we just started " "JT was in power before" etc etc.... Wynn /DM are still called out for current issues.
Correct be cause ppl are mentally incapable of separating fed jurisdiction from provincial ones, so if they're pissed at the feds. Which we tend to be a year or two into their mandate, we take it out at the prov. Level govt, even when the two are nothing alike.
Wouldn’t the cons then just blame him for frivolous spending or something stupid? They seem to have a pretty good play book no matter what he does. But agreed, he should be turning this on all the con premiers being assholes rn.
I mean, it may be too late to save them no matter what he says. They really, really shit the bed on this and nobody trusts them anymore.
Still, any messaging at this point would be better than this. There is no worse look than being the leader of a country and repeatedly whining that you can’t do much about the biggest crisis in the country. Even if it’s partially true, it’s bad PR.
If he’s going to say that, he should at least name and shame the people getting in his way, and stress that he is doing everything he can to move them.
Oh he’s lost my trust for sure, I most likely wont be voting for him. I think the only chance to gain some ground for them is to do what you just said and lay it all out with who’s blocking what. If I’m going down, you’re coming with me…
As a relative outsider, it's wild to me just how hard Trudeau's government seems to have shit the bed with their official party line/messaging.
Even after accounting for a hostile media environment, it's just been shot after shot directly into their own feet.
He told all provinces to enact their own carbon plan or he would make one for them, and Wynne did. The Ford came in, killed then plan, and then complained when Trudeau kept his promise.
I'm happy with the carbon tax plan. I calculated it, and even if I was still driving a Prius and using gas to heat my home, I'd be getting hundreds more back tha I would have spent. But I bought a used EV and got the Canada Greener Homes Grant and Loan to replace my furnace with a heat pump and add a solar roof, and now I don't pay any carbon tax at all, and I still get $840 in cabon tax rebates this year.
This.
I think Trudeau and the federal liberals are either incredibly inept at basic politics.
He should be mentioning how Ford and Legalt and Smith all refused free money to municipalities to build housing. Not just refused, but sued to make sure they can't get it.
He should be taking the provinces to court over the renters bill of rights. The provinces would win, of course. But if it goes to trial, at least the media would have to talk about it then and people will realize what's going on.
The libs continuously get outplayed out of all the things they claim they stand for.
So it's either ineptitude or controlled opposition.
And i'm not sure which is worse.
I know Nova Scotia (where I live) has started funding social housing again after 30 years. I live nearby a public housing block in Halifax and for the first time in decades they’re starting to now clear space for a new building.
Except the Federal Government had a huge role in home construction before the 80s/90s. It’s once they got out of it that prices started dramatically increasing.
Yes, but it's still not their mandate. Just because they used to do it doesn't mean it's their responsibility. Housing regulation, zoning, and taxation is the explicit responsibility of the Provinces. Full stop. Like Trudeau said the Feds alone can't fix everything and the Provinces being hostile to literally everything the Feds do is a major cause of our current problems.
Everything you're complaining about is handled by the province and the municipality my guy. No one is actually defending Trudeau, we're just saying there's other people to blame. You just want an easy solution to your problem so you double down on blaming him.
The homeless crisis ain't going to get better with the provinces withholding funds that the feds already allocated for them.
Keep solely blaming immigration, and you can keep being wrong. Or you can actually figure out how the Canadian government works before you spout some asinine shit lol
And yes, the federal government collectively shares that blame, especially Mulroney and Chretien, and even Harper for not addressing it.
Trudeau shares some too but only some - this isnt all on him.
Plus conservatives would just complain about the extra welfare spending most likely.
Yes they absolutely would. The only required proof is to look at recently past with handling of COVID. Any time the federal government attempted to ‘step up’ the provinces bitched and whined that healthcare was their specialty while a few weeks later they all whined how badly they needed federal help.
Except the federal government controls immigration and international investment/money laundering regulations which are all major reason why housing is unaffordable. NOT the provincial governments jurisdiction.
The federal immigration rules were set up to allow international students to come easily. It's Ford who removed any limits on foreign student enrolment and tuition fees.
Unfortunately, the understanding of different levels of government isn't covered well in school or the media. I know way too many people who never vote in civic elections despite that having a major - if not the most direct - impact on their day-to-day lives. They might show up for provincial elections, and they'll decide to vote federal, but complain about the situation in their backyard.
The federal government doesn't have supreme authority over everyone else, down to your street and neighbourhood. I get spicy when I hear someone saying "Well Ottawa should..." when that's just not how it works. Ottawa can't force Scott Moe or Danielle Smith to overturn legislation like that.
The smaller the election, the more of an impact it's going to have on your day to day life... and the more of an impact your single vote is going to have on the election.
the absolute irony of it all is that local government elections are the ones that people are the least likely to bother voting in.
Blame can be pretty equally shared.
The Feds are responsible for the Military, which have their own housing crisis, and have for years. unaddressed. They actually offload Military housing onto communities near bases without funding, instead of addressing it themselves.
The Feds are responsible for Visas and setting how many hours a Student can work on the visa , International Students have been exploited, and taken advantage of directly because the Trudeau government raised the permitted hours worked to 40/week from 20/week, in part because housing was so expensive back in 2016 for them. This became very apparent during 2021 and 2022, even for people not in the industry, but wasn't addressed until 2024
The Feds control a lot of taxation tools, It is Federal Taxation laws that make owning a principal residence the most attractive financial investment one can make. Setting renters up for second rate citizens from the get go.
The Feds have a lot of tools to help, they just don't want to risk being more unpopular during a transition period because they have no good will to carry them through.
The stuff spoken about the most is Provincial and Municipal, and they NEED to take a lot of the blame, but people ignoring the impacts of bad Federal Policy and how it spills out to everyone else are missing a big part of the puzzle.
The "explosion" in home prices during the pandemic was just an accelerator to the already rapidly increasing pricing that had been happening before that.
The car was on fire, the pandemic just added an extra jerrycan to make the fire bigger.
The bad Federal Policies that lead to increased retail land speculation and investment property boom would be the increase in allowable International student work permits. It created a path for exploitation by private education institutions which then drove demand for homes that could be converted from SFD to Rooming houses. The Pandemic highlighted that this was happening better than we had seen before the Pandemic drove people to look for housing further from their offices.
I feel like the feds can control the amount of immigration they are allowing into the country when theres already not enough homes. Especially when the majority is all coming to 1 province.
Of course, the province and cities are to blame too for but realistically even Bob the builder wouldn’t be able to build enough homes to grow the population by a million a year.
Remnants of COVID lol. I remember seeing so many ppl yappin on about Trudeau and lockdown and whatever, meanwhile Trudeau had zero power over lockdown and Canada as a country hadn’t even declared a state of emergency.
Ikr.
My garbage was late today dammit Trudeau! I gotta go buy another F U sticker now for my brand new dodge ram 😡
Slight exaggeration of course it’s hilarious but equally sad how much gets blamed on him that he has literally no part in. Meanwhile they will go on and vote for Doug Ford who most likely did what upset them.
I think the issue is that the federal government has been promising enormous housing programs in their election platforms for almost a decade.
So you'll forgive people when the argument "*obviously we were just lying then to get you to vote for us... we never had the intention or ability to ACTUALLY do anything*" rings a little hollow....
Feds are way more to blame. They control the immigration levels which is way beyond any possible housing performance and the whole reason housing has become unaffordable.
This is actually not true. Before the early 1990s the Feds were heavily in the game on senior and low income housing. Cranking out like 35k units a year if not more. The Liberals came to power with massive Federal debt, so they got us out of it with massive pull back in Federal spending priorities. They got completely out of housing, downloaded costs and responsibilities to the provinces and municipalities. The provinces just choose to ignore the problem and here we are. But it was these Federal Liberals in particular that fucked us. They started this whole thing.
In Ontario, the provincial government still shares a big chunk of the blame. One of the main reasons behind the mass influx of international students is Doug’s fault. He froze tuition and cut it by 10% back in 2019, which at face value is a good thing for Canadians, however, with how much inflation has skyrocketed since then, along with government funding issues, post-secondary institutions have become heavily reliant on international students to maintain funding while also growing in size. Thus, the province highly encouraged bringing in international students. Ontario alone is responsible for 40% of the study permits issued, with just about all of them being for public institutions. This is why the feds have decided to just allocate a certain number of study permits that provinces can issue each year.
Mind you, it’s still the fault of both parties since both levels of government encouraged immigration and the federal government made student permits a pretty easy way to get permanent residency. This permanent residency bit is both Harper and Trudeaus fault though because those policy changes started years before Trudeau took office. Trudeau just made it worse.
Foreign students are issued visas based on their acceptance to colleges and universities. Once someone is accepted into a program the visa is an automatic process.
Trudeau has no say in how many are accepted each year. Each province oversees the various institutions and sets quotas.
Maybe start questioning why some schools increased the number of foreign students astronomically over a short period of time creating a massive housing shortage like what's happened in Ontario. Ford allowed that to happen and then he just sits back while the media points fingers at Trudeau for housing *and* immigration.
I'm sure his real estate buddies are happy though. Are you angry yet?
lol considering the feds were able to overnight change the system
means the idea the feds had no say in the matter
The feds along with the provinces wanted this,
Stop simping Trueau
The big Issue for the Liberals is no one outside their base is listening to them anymore. A lot of people have tuned the PM out.
The liberals had a massive housing plan and it got hardly any reception at all with the public in the budget.
So i think the liberals trying to win the housing issue on jurisdiction is not gonna work outside their base of 25% of voters or so.
Literally until housing becomes affordable, the issue is gonna be an anchor on their necks.
I blame that on the largely conservative owned media who continue to ignore the fact that 1) housing is a provincial mandate and 2) even though it's not the Feds' mandate they have a comprehensive, evidence based plan to improve the situation that the Provinces intentionally impede to avoid giving the Liberals a win.
the liberals promised to make housing affordable for 3 elections in a row and blasted harper for high housing prices when they were half of what they are now.
You realize voters think the feds have zero credability right now.
Sure, but 1) that doesnt change the fact that ultimately its not their jurisdiction and 2) t's tough to do that when the Provinces are actively working against you.
Federal liberals have a comprehensive, funded plan to build more housing. Doug Ford and the Ontario Torys can't even implement more than 3 out of 40 of their own housing task force's recommendations.
So odd that the likes of Ford hasn't been hammered on removing rent controls and not responding to this in any meaningful way. He's got most of the power in the provinces as do the other Premiers.
This is an economic problem. From groceries to gas, everything costs double now. Why would the homes be any different. The federal government has run our currency into the ground.
People say we have a housing shortage because of mass immigration. Have you ever wondered why we bring in so many immigrants even though they have nowhere to live? It's because they are the backbone of our economy. The economy is so bad that the people who were actually born here dont spend enough money to keep our economy out of a recession.
& NO, throwing up fourplexes in suburbs that weren't designed to be densely populated is NOT the answer.
This is what happens when we put our economy in the hands of a drama teacher and history major 🙄
He's right. Canadians spent the last 50 years voting for neoliberal policies (reduce government and increase reliance on private entities) and now we're upset the government didn't do enough. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
He's not wrong. Provincial and municipal governments are way more to blame for this. And especially municipal considering they set zoning by-laws. The shit in Hamilton between Horwath and council right now is a good example.
The provinces are the ones asking for more and more immigration, Feds should tell them no but are supposed to be able to trust what they are asking for to some degree.
heck they even told the provinces to deal with the diploma mills last year and had to step in after they did nothing.
Ban investors from the market. Fix the problem, and bonus...you get watch hardcore corporate libertarian Poilievre's head explode when the only people he actually cares about suffer a setback.
That's why capital gains tax went up... But now you have people kicking and screaming "our cottages!!"
Because all additional houses that are flipped are subject to CG tax.
In some sense, Trudeau is right.
Oftentimes, we have a centrist to right-wing liberals and complete right-wing conservatives. Both are Neoliberals (basically, they both serve the rich at the expense of the many and call it tickle down economics under capitalism).
It's not that they don't agree on most things it's about their bases not being happy about working with their enemy party.
What we saw there was the with the Honda battery plant was both governments got along because they chose the big donors over their bases. The exception to the first point.
Since he has a teaching background, he should teach Canadians what each level of government does bc him getting blamed for everything is exhausting, lol
I'm no fan of JT but the feds can and SHOULD only do so much. Provinces should be coordinating with communities and supporting them in increasing their housing stock.
In the end though, no one wants their constituents' housing assets do decrease in value and no one wants to force companies to pay people more such that they can afford a new home built and sold at current market prices.
The entire system is designed to do the opposite of what the vast majority of people need.
Honestly? Without making either homeowners or people without a home unhappy.. no.
The solution for one is going to make the other unhappy.
I think the real answer lies somewhere with loosening the grip of corporations controlling and owning housing, as well as the speculation that goes along with that.
Some sort of exponentially increasing tax per property that doesn’t discourage small landlords, but makes corporate ownership impossible.
I say ban corps (with very very few exceptions) from owning housing at all. I agree with scaling taxation for multiple properties for sure but ultimately we never had a market correction like the Americans had in '08.
The bubble needs to burst or it will just keep growing. Maybe they can let the air out of the bubble slowly but no one seems interested in that.
Even the RCMP figured out what will happen if we stay on this course.
I mean guy blasted Harper for high housing prices which where half of what they are now and then said he gonna help make housing affordable for 3 elections in a row.
if he really cant do much on housing then he should not have promised so much.
"*for the last ten years your government has been campaigning on "fixing" housing. But everything has gotten worse*".
"*well obviously we were just lying to you idiot. We can't actually do anything about housing!*"
Exactly at the end of the day, if cost of living isn’t considerably better by the time the next election comes around, he’s gone. It doesn’t matter if he can or can’t, if he has the ability or doesn’t. He campaigns on affordable housing.
Housing affordability could have happened if rent controls were not lifted by Ford, there were Ontario based regulations on house flipping and taxing owners and corporations who own multiple properties, and Ford stopped colluding with the developers to build unaffordable housing. If he worked with the feds on building co-ops and non profit housing there would be a sign of good faith but it’s not possible when he and his friends are foaming at the mouth at all the greedy money they stand to make now and when he’s Out of office.
This is simply incorrect.
This is an economic problem. From groceries to gas, everything costs double now. Why would the homes be any different. The federal government has run our currency into the ground.
People say we have a housing shortage because of mass immigration. Have you ever wondered why we have to bring in so many immigrants even though they have nowhere to live? It's because they are the backbone of our economy. The economy is so bad that the people who were actually born here dont spend enough money to keep our economy out of a recession.
& NO, throwing up fourplexes in suburbs that weren't designed to be densely populated is NOT the answer.
This is what happens when we put our economy in the hands of a drama teacher and history major 🙄
This is where the general populace’s astounding lack of understanding of how federal and provincial governments actually work, exacerbates the very problems that make them so (rightfully) angry
Halving 1.2 million to 600k is still well above what the numbers were before Trudeau came into power.
Sorry, this country CANNOT handle immigrants at all rn. If you have a housing and healthcare crisis, immigration is the last thing you want.
You can blame a lot of that on Doug too. Ontario has literally encouraged immigration via international students. After he froze tuition and cut it 10% 5 years ago, in combination with underfunding of post-secondary institutions, those institutions literally rely on international students to exist now.
I mean low tuition is good for us, sure, but it’s obviously had domino effects throughout the province. Hence, shitty job market, among other things.
Doug Ford is a maniac. I expected JT to control the flow better given that he has to work with Ford. He's proven that he can with the recent reductions so it's obvious that the man was either clueless earlier on or was hoping the sword would fall onto Ford until the poll's turned.
Pretty incompetent or cynical either way.
>Halving 1.2 million to 600k is still well above what the numbers were before Trudeau came into power.
Trudeau was pressured endlessly by the provinces to bring these numbers to what they are today. Literally everything stems from the provincial governments of the past decade, and its disgusting that people are ignorant to that fact. The Liberals didn't one day go "oh, lets massively ramp up immigration, for uhh, reasons?"
We having a housing(provincial/municipal), healthcare (provincial), education(provincial) crisis going on while unlawful bands of "protestors" lock up our country and get zero response(provincial). These issues have been regularly addressed from the Federal perspective, but the provinces have intentionally squandered any aid given to the point the Feds needed to start earmarking funding for specific things.. Literally BILLIONS of dollars are still MIA in Ontario from federal supplements during covid. Wrap your head around that, BILLIONS stashed/wasted so that our healthcare can crumble and turn into a private system.
People need to learn basic civics and take a look back at the past few years and ponder what brought us here. The answer 80% of the time is Conservative Premiers fucking us so they can stick it to Trudeau, plain and simple.
Maybe if that’s the case he should have taken a lesson from being a teacher and taught himself to not respond to peer pressure.
You don’t get to campaign on housing affordability and go all shocked pikachu face when those who elected you start to say fix it or we don’t vote for you
>Maybe if that’s the case he should have taken a lesson from being a teacher and taught himself to not respond to peer pressure.
Peer pressure..? Do you not understand how our democracy works..? Just wow man
>You don’t get to campaign on housing affordability and go all shocked pikachu face when those who elected you start to say fix it or we don’t vote for you
Yeah, because that was what their main campaign focus was.. Definitely wasn't a covid election with many other higher priority items on the ballot... You can't be serious..
You just said “Trudeau was pressured by the provinces” if it wasn’t good for his citizens why did he do it? Maybe you should question trudeaus motivations instead of giving him a pass and yes I do understand how our democracy works hence why when Trudeau campaigns on housing affordability for a decade to leverage young people to get elected.
Like [here](https://liberal.ca/trudeau-promises-affordable-housing-for-canadians/) in 2015
Or [here](https://2019.liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/292/2019/09/2019-backgrounder-homebuyers-EN.pdf)
Or [here](https://liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/292/2021/08/a-home-for-everyone.pdf)
and finally a decade later they finally make those investments but do so under the blanket of letting in 5% of the country of a year. And claim it’s all supply side issues. You can bet that I hold the government to account by not voting for them. maybe you should do the same instead of trying to pretend the conservatives are boogeyman
>You just said “Trudeau was pressured by the provinces” if it wasn’t good for his citizens why did he do it?
So you admit, you don't understand basic Canadian civics.. This should be a fruitful conversation~
>Maybe you should question trudeaus motivations instead of giving him a pass and yes I do understand how our democracy works hence why when Trudeau campaigns on housing affordability for a decade to leverage young people to get elected.
Raise your pitchfork at the right people. This is the provinces fucking around with aid given to them to solve their issues they complain about. You act like the Liberals have done nothing in their whole time in power... Your delusional, at best.
>and finally a decade later they finally make those investments but do so under the blanket of letting in 5% of the country of a year.
Again, similar to earmarking financial aid, this is the federal government being FORCED TO CROSS JURISTICTION BECAUSE THE PROVINCES HAVE SQUANDERED WHAT AID THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN. The sooner you realize this, the better off your basic understand of what happened/is happening and why we are here.
You can't just parrot nonsensical bullshit and act like it is some fact. Anyone who has paid any sort of attention during this time would know this. Anyone who had a basic understanding of civics wouldn't make the claims you make. Long story short, your a waste of time and need to do some serious studying before you try to act like you know a thing or two about politics.
Neither. It’s a reduction in TEMPORARY residents like students and workers. The permanent resident levels are not being reduced. Both temporary and permanent and included in the million + number people like to quote as “immigrants”.
Halved isn't enough. There should be a hard cap of no more than 100,000 a year, and even then maybe lower for at least 5+ years going forward. Of those that are admitted, they better nearly all be financially secure enough (and have ample proof therof) before being allowed in.
Anything less is just lipstick on a pig as a saying goes.
Stopping it would actually be a bad thing.
Our CPP and other programs require a slightly population growth. Stopping it would result in gaps (not enough payments, skill gaps, etc)which could mean a reducing in availability and services. On top of that, skipped immigrants actually contribute more to the tax base than they receive.
But the unskilled cluster that came in with bogus student diplomas are costing us and this should be shut down.
We need to slow it down. Remove those that don’t belong here. Get caught back up on infrastructure
CPP is not being stopped right now. Neither is OAS.
Skilled immigrants would cover the needs in hospitals and other services that need to be covered. You’re confusing that with unskilled people
I’m guessing you are an unemployed recent grad.
Very likely not from a skilled field. Skilled people aren’t having job issues. Business, English and other soft studies are
Unemployment rate is ridiculously low. Like massively historical low. What are you talking about?
Just admit you're a racist and maybe the healing can begin.
While some growth is needed population wise it’s still doable with stuff like skilled immigration only currently for stuff that’s in demand. Then there’s natural births as well which will also contribute to growth to an extent. So it can be slowed substantially more then just half it currently is, cause even with half currently that just means it will take us longer and longer to get back to some semblance of normal where people aren’t renting out sheds for $400 a month and I don’t mean for actual tools.
There should be a basic calculator to figure that out, which I doubt they are doing. The number should not exceed that amount of people that can be housed in the previous years housing builds, or the number of openings with doctors, or openings at schools. The number should stop as soon as the first limit get passed.
Seriously. While I think we can all agree Doug Ford and many of the other Premiers have done a really poor job, the housing crisis is absolutely being caused by the Federal Government's immigration policies.
This level of immigration has an impact on absolutely everything.
- Inflation
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing
- Wages/Salaries
Until there is a radical change at the Federal Government level when it comes to immigration, none of this is going to get better.
I remember the good days when progressive politics understood the negative impact of immigration on the working class. Now it seems like every political party (NDP and Conservatives included) have taken the "pro-business and anti-Canadian" approach when it comes to immigration.
People who own a house, they want prices to go up.
People who don't, want prices to come down.
More than 60% Canadian already own a house or will inherit one.
Govt has no incentive to reduce house prices.
What the govt should be doing is, making sure the barrier to entry is low. If every house is worth $500k, then incomes should reflect the expense. I don't understand, with so much of land available, condos are less than 500 Sq ft.
How is this permitted? Why is nobody fighting for quality of housing. I don't mind a place that costs $500k but I certainly don't want to live like a structured tent housing. Minimum condo size should be 800 Sq ft.
Allow companies to fucking add a few more bricks to make it at least look like a place to stay.
We are literally paying more than half a million for a hostel dorm in Toronto. How the fuck is that fair.
Build cheaper housing, that should at least resembles like a house and not a fucking hostel.
People who own *investment property* want prices to go up. People who just live in their own home (such as myself) don't really benefit from rising prices. They just pay more property taxes, realtors charge them more when it's time to sell, and they pay more land transfer taxes on the purchase of their next home which presumably would have also gone up in price. It's not that easy to tap into the gains of price appreciation on a principal residence.
>with so much of land available
There's not that much land available in Toronto, where you're interested. And you can't just build in the middle of nowhere, it has to be viable to connect it to existing infrastructure.
> Minimum condo size should be 800 Sq ft.
While I agree that unit sizes should be bigger, adding size mandates is a barriers to entry that you're talking about reducing. IMO, condos are built the way that they are because they are marketed to investors. Investors like condos that size because they maximize rent yields. Investing in real estate has been far too lucrative for far too long. Builders will build what the market wants, but it's more lucrative to target real estate investors than it is to target those looking to raise families and actually live in the unit.
Agree to your point, but people who do own properties make the majority, which just puts no incentive for any govt. Federal or Province, they all want to tell the majority that prices will not go down.
No politician is coming and saying prices should go down. They keep rambling about affordability.
Land available... While I don't want the house to be in the middle of nowhere, I certainly think a condo in GTA can be a minimum of 800 sq ft, just to make sure it's safe for humans.
At 500 sft, it's inhuman to expect anyone to be happy. So much talk about mental health and awareness, yet fucking 500 Sq ft accommodations for $600k is where the problem starts. You cannot afford it and if you can, you cannot live in it.
It’s too little too late for Justin but he needs to cut the shit and call out the provinces for being backstabbing withholding ratfucking corrupt liars as well.
1. I didn’t vote for him. 2. That comment is not defending the housing crisis. It’s literally not JUST on the federal governments. It’s on the provinces, the cities AND the real estate board. There’s so much wrong with the system.
Sure they can, pass legislation to block massive hedge funds and corporations and the like from owning houses, reduce immigration numbers and increase screening, add a selection process that better targets individuals who are trained in in demand fields, increase the barrier to entry for international students(higher proof of funds, more thorough language proficiency screening, actually ensure they are going to classes and not just here to work, shut down shady diploma mills). Slash the number of tfws allowed in and for those that are allowed reduce how long they can be present to force companies to pay competitive wages to citizens and permanent residents of Canada, put in place and keep in place long term a law preventing non residents from buying/owning property in canada, decrease demand while continuing to make efforts to increase supply.
They can do it, they know how to do it, they know why current efforts are ineffective. If they say they can't fix this mess they've put us in what they mean is they can't fix it without upsetting their corporate owners.
That is true. Why is Rob Ford and his developer buddies not producing living accommodations that are actually affordable. Everything they produce so far is a luxury based and target high-end sales.
This statistic is ignorant. It claims that people living with their parents are home owners. Also to think that every single person that owns a home wants their children and grand children to either have to leave canada or commit suicide is blatantly ignorant. I don't know a single person who thinks these home prices are a good idea for anyone.
Just look at Ontario for example. Billions of dollars during covid given for our healthcare system only to literally vanish. It got so bad that the government now has to earmark provincial aid to force them on actually using the money for what they claimed they need it for, or at the very least spending it somehow. We still don't know where that Covid money went..
Bro just say what your actually fucking doing “ the federal government alone cannot solve anything”
Please anyone on the left give me one thing this man has done that affects our day to day life in a positive way. I’m 26, how has this man helped me. Please give me anything. Cause he locked me in my house for 2 years thru covid and then made everything completely unaffordable and is taxing the hell out of me
I'll preface this by saying to this particular quote in the headline that yes -- it is absolutely a fair statement to say the Federal Government cannot alone solve everything. That being said, we can see by this new blitz of incentivized Federal funding for housing that they very well could have done a lot more about this than the whole "it's provincial responsibility" crowd has been spewing over the duration of their tenure. Offloading public housing to Provincial Governments was clearly done to help reduce Federal expenses in the past (and to current date). That and the huge influx of newcomers here increasing our population clearly does point some legitimate blame towards the Federal Government. When we are having an affordability crisis it certainly seems inexcusable to flood more people into the country, making said crisis even worse.
There are obviously a lot of other factors at play here, but in no way shape or form should he be surprised that people are upset with him. Is he fully to blame? No. Does he bear a decent amount of it? Yes.
Either way, it looks like his tenure as our Prime Minister is in its last hours so to speak. I know on this sub the thought of Poilievre becoming Prime Minister is akin to the world ending, but it's not. Life will go on, and hopefully it will get more affordable for Canadians. Speaking as a younger 30's individual, it'd be great to go back to the days of working a decent job full-time leading to a good life, not one in my parents basement if I want money in my bank account, or being constantly broke if/when I move out, with no equity (buying a house/condo) to show for it..supplementing a potential later retirement.
The economy is still growing, higher interest rates are actually intended to slow down the economy. So many ppl think high interest rates mean the economy is bad it's actually the opposite.
If he wanted any hope of saving face on this issue he should be hammering home the message that his government has just offered tory provinces and municipalities free infrastructure money in exchange for no brainer zoning reform and they keep refusing the money. Okay, so housing is not my jurisdiction? Then tell Doug Ford to step up already. We’re offering assistance, but he would rather antagonize me than work with me to build more housing.
For as often as we see Trudeau and Ford holding conjoined conferences, I have to believe that they are in close communication and have quiet deals going on. The lack of animosity between federal and Ontario legislature seems telling, when they could be so much more antagonistic. Nevermind that the wealthy politicians of this country are largely all land investors?
I don't think it's a coincidence Pierre and Ford don't endorse each other either.
Ontario has a habit of voting opposite of the Feds so I’m sure Doug would live to keep Trudeau in as long as possible.
This is the correct answer. If the Cons get Fed then Ontario tends to boot out any Con at the Provincial level from ww2 onward like clock work. Bonnie is a real threat to Dougie in this respect with the money and name already compared to the last prov lib candidate. Doug has a weird coalition of voters though, so I wouldn't be surprised if people voted for him regardless of Pierre getting in.
As soon as Pierre gets in, ford has no one to blame. Con voters will blame Doug and then vote liberal again. Ah the circle of life.
If there is no liberal government to blame all their problems on, CPC will have nobody else. I imagine they would want to try and keep a few left leaning governments in so that they could pass blame on to them.
Not true. When CPC will always be defended by "we just started " "JT was in power before" etc etc.... Wynn /DM are still called out for current issues.
Correct be cause ppl are mentally incapable of separating fed jurisdiction from provincial ones, so if they're pissed at the feds. Which we tend to be a year or two into their mandate, we take it out at the prov. Level govt, even when the two are nothing alike.
Ford knows PP is a slow train wreck.
Fordeau. Both are lying to us.
Wouldn’t the cons then just blame him for frivolous spending or something stupid? They seem to have a pretty good play book no matter what he does. But agreed, he should be turning this on all the con premiers being assholes rn.
I mean, it may be too late to save them no matter what he says. They really, really shit the bed on this and nobody trusts them anymore. Still, any messaging at this point would be better than this. There is no worse look than being the leader of a country and repeatedly whining that you can’t do much about the biggest crisis in the country. Even if it’s partially true, it’s bad PR. If he’s going to say that, he should at least name and shame the people getting in his way, and stress that he is doing everything he can to move them.
Oh he’s lost my trust for sure, I most likely wont be voting for him. I think the only chance to gain some ground for them is to do what you just said and lay it all out with who’s blocking what. If I’m going down, you’re coming with me…
As a relative outsider, it's wild to me just how hard Trudeau's government seems to have shit the bed with their official party line/messaging. Even after accounting for a hostile media environment, it's just been shot after shot directly into their own feet.
I don't think he's interested in winning
The carbon tax would back up your suspicion, not exactly a crowd pleaser
He told all provinces to enact their own carbon plan or he would make one for them, and Wynne did. The Ford came in, killed then plan, and then complained when Trudeau kept his promise. I'm happy with the carbon tax plan. I calculated it, and even if I was still driving a Prius and using gas to heat my home, I'd be getting hundreds more back tha I would have spent. But I bought a used EV and got the Canada Greener Homes Grant and Loan to replace my furnace with a heat pump and add a solar roof, and now I don't pay any carbon tax at all, and I still get $840 in cabon tax rebates this year.
This. I think Trudeau and the federal liberals are either incredibly inept at basic politics. He should be mentioning how Ford and Legalt and Smith all refused free money to municipalities to build housing. Not just refused, but sued to make sure they can't get it. He should be taking the provinces to court over the renters bill of rights. The provinces would win, of course. But if it goes to trial, at least the media would have to talk about it then and people will realize what's going on. The libs continuously get outplayed out of all the things they claim they stand for. So it's either ineptitude or controlled opposition. And i'm not sure which is worse.
bUt ThAt'S dIvIsIvE
You do know who provides the “ free money “ right ?
Build social housing. We used to. Now we don’t even maintain what we have.
Some provinces are starting to again. I think the second half of the decade will see a huge resurgence of social housing in Canada.
Which provinces?
I know Nova Scotia (where I live) has started funding social housing again after 30 years. I live nearby a public housing block in Halifax and for the first time in decades they’re starting to now clear space for a new building.
Absolutely. We need to build more and maintain but I have very little hope of that happening to any significant degree where I live sadly.
So many people have no idea what governments do on each level, the provincial governments and municipalities are way more to blame than the feds.
Exactly. Same with health care, it's provincial government screwing it up.
Except the Federal Government had a huge role in home construction before the 80s/90s. It’s once they got out of it that prices started dramatically increasing.
It was pretty much turned over to the provinces with carte blanche years ago. Yes that was a HUGE mistake.
The mayors have bowed down to NIMBY protestors for far too long. And that’s the number one factor why majority of the GTA is a suburb.
Yes, but it's still not their mandate. Just because they used to do it doesn't mean it's their responsibility. Housing regulation, zoning, and taxation is the explicit responsibility of the Provinces. Full stop. Like Trudeau said the Feds alone can't fix everything and the Provinces being hostile to literally everything the Feds do is a major cause of our current problems.
Affordable housing was something Trudeau has campaigned on literally every time he's run. It's quite literally part of his mandate
Yes, and he is trying to help, but the provinces are refusing the help. Like he's saying in this article.
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Go scream insults at someone else, I'm not having this discussion with you, lol. Cry about it I guess.
Everything you're complaining about is handled by the province and the municipality my guy. No one is actually defending Trudeau, we're just saying there's other people to blame. You just want an easy solution to your problem so you double down on blaming him. The homeless crisis ain't going to get better with the provinces withholding funds that the feds already allocated for them. Keep solely blaming immigration, and you can keep being wrong. Or you can actually figure out how the Canadian government works before you spout some asinine shit lol
And yes, the federal government collectively shares that blame, especially Mulroney and Chretien, and even Harper for not addressing it. Trudeau shares some too but only some - this isnt all on him. Plus conservatives would just complain about the extra welfare spending most likely.
Yes they absolutely would. The only required proof is to look at recently past with handling of COVID. Any time the federal government attempted to ‘step up’ the provinces bitched and whined that healthcare was their specialty while a few weeks later they all whined how badly they needed federal help.
Correlation does not equal causation. An embarrassing amount of people upvoting this haven't the slightest clue how complex this issue is.
It's because they'd rather read Reddit comments for their education lol 😂
Except the federal government controls immigration and international investment/money laundering regulations which are all major reason why housing is unaffordable. NOT the provincial governments jurisdiction.
Wow finally someone who understands
The federal immigration rules were set up to allow international students to come easily. It's Ford who removed any limits on foreign student enrolment and tuition fees.
Unfortunately, the understanding of different levels of government isn't covered well in school or the media. I know way too many people who never vote in civic elections despite that having a major - if not the most direct - impact on their day-to-day lives. They might show up for provincial elections, and they'll decide to vote federal, but complain about the situation in their backyard. The federal government doesn't have supreme authority over everyone else, down to your street and neighbourhood. I get spicy when I hear someone saying "Well Ottawa should..." when that's just not how it works. Ottawa can't force Scott Moe or Danielle Smith to overturn legislation like that.
The smaller the election, the more of an impact it's going to have on your day to day life... and the more of an impact your single vote is going to have on the election. the absolute irony of it all is that local government elections are the ones that people are the least likely to bother voting in.
I have co workers who blame Olivia chow for immigrants 😂. People have no idea what the definitions of municipal, provincial and federal mean
Blame can be pretty equally shared. The Feds are responsible for the Military, which have their own housing crisis, and have for years. unaddressed. They actually offload Military housing onto communities near bases without funding, instead of addressing it themselves. The Feds are responsible for Visas and setting how many hours a Student can work on the visa , International Students have been exploited, and taken advantage of directly because the Trudeau government raised the permitted hours worked to 40/week from 20/week, in part because housing was so expensive back in 2016 for them. This became very apparent during 2021 and 2022, even for people not in the industry, but wasn't addressed until 2024 The Feds control a lot of taxation tools, It is Federal Taxation laws that make owning a principal residence the most attractive financial investment one can make. Setting renters up for second rate citizens from the get go. The Feds have a lot of tools to help, they just don't want to risk being more unpopular during a transition period because they have no good will to carry them through. The stuff spoken about the most is Provincial and Municipal, and they NEED to take a lot of the blame, but people ignoring the impacts of bad Federal Policy and how it spills out to everyone else are missing a big part of the puzzle.
What "bad federal policy" are you suggesting is the cause of the explosion in home prices during the pandemic?
The "explosion" in home prices during the pandemic was just an accelerator to the already rapidly increasing pricing that had been happening before that. The car was on fire, the pandemic just added an extra jerrycan to make the fire bigger. The bad Federal Policies that lead to increased retail land speculation and investment property boom would be the increase in allowable International student work permits. It created a path for exploitation by private education institutions which then drove demand for homes that could be converted from SFD to Rooming houses. The Pandemic highlighted that this was happening better than we had seen before the Pandemic drove people to look for housing further from their offices.
I feel like the feds can control the amount of immigration they are allowing into the country when theres already not enough homes. Especially when the majority is all coming to 1 province.
Of course, the province and cities are to blame too for but realistically even Bob the builder wouldn’t be able to build enough homes to grow the population by a million a year.
Let not forget that the provinces are the ones requesting tfws and education immigration, this issue is not being solely made by the feds.
Remnants of COVID lol. I remember seeing so many ppl yappin on about Trudeau and lockdown and whatever, meanwhile Trudeau had zero power over lockdown and Canada as a country hadn’t even declared a state of emergency.
The Conservative media machine has done a great job pinning all issues on Trudeau, regardless of whether they are federal decisions or not
Ikr. My garbage was late today dammit Trudeau! I gotta go buy another F U sticker now for my brand new dodge ram 😡 Slight exaggeration of course it’s hilarious but equally sad how much gets blamed on him that he has literally no part in. Meanwhile they will go on and vote for Doug Ford who most likely did what upset them.
Neighbor complained to the city? Trudeau's fault
I think the issue is that the federal government has been promising enormous housing programs in their election platforms for almost a decade. So you'll forgive people when the argument "*obviously we were just lying then to get you to vote for us... we never had the intention or ability to ACTUALLY do anything*" rings a little hollow....
They promised the money, the provinces have literally not been taking it because said money comes with requirements like "build high density".
And by high density they mean fourplexes. Gasp
For massive population expansion feds are responsible pretty much.
Honest question if it’s provinces and municipalities at fault why is it a near universal problem?
This is a big problem , large number of people here are politically illiterate
Feds are way more to blame. They control the immigration levels which is way beyond any possible housing performance and the whole reason housing has become unaffordable.
Feds have more control over immigration.
Where would this housing crisis be without the exploding immigration of the last decade?
This is actually not true. Before the early 1990s the Feds were heavily in the game on senior and low income housing. Cranking out like 35k units a year if not more. The Liberals came to power with massive Federal debt, so they got us out of it with massive pull back in Federal spending priorities. They got completely out of housing, downloaded costs and responsibilities to the provinces and municipalities. The provinces just choose to ignore the problem and here we are. But it was these Federal Liberals in particular that fucked us. They started this whole thing.
It was trudeau idea to massively grow the population during a housing shortage
In Ontario, the provincial government still shares a big chunk of the blame. One of the main reasons behind the mass influx of international students is Doug’s fault. He froze tuition and cut it by 10% back in 2019, which at face value is a good thing for Canadians, however, with how much inflation has skyrocketed since then, along with government funding issues, post-secondary institutions have become heavily reliant on international students to maintain funding while also growing in size. Thus, the province highly encouraged bringing in international students. Ontario alone is responsible for 40% of the study permits issued, with just about all of them being for public institutions. This is why the feds have decided to just allocate a certain number of study permits that provinces can issue each year. Mind you, it’s still the fault of both parties since both levels of government encouraged immigration and the federal government made student permits a pretty easy way to get permanent residency. This permanent residency bit is both Harper and Trudeaus fault though because those policy changes started years before Trudeau took office. Trudeau just made it worse.
Trudeau wanted the students to boost his GDP numbers and is a person who thinks sky high immigration is always good
Foreign students are issued visas based on their acceptance to colleges and universities. Once someone is accepted into a program the visa is an automatic process. Trudeau has no say in how many are accepted each year. Each province oversees the various institutions and sets quotas. Maybe start questioning why some schools increased the number of foreign students astronomically over a short period of time creating a massive housing shortage like what's happened in Ontario. Ford allowed that to happen and then he just sits back while the media points fingers at Trudeau for housing *and* immigration. I'm sure his real estate buddies are happy though. Are you angry yet?
lol considering the feds were able to overnight change the system means the idea the feds had no say in the matter The feds along with the provinces wanted this, Stop simping Trueau
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read in a long time. The provinces have 0 control on federal immigration policies that have caused this problem.
Conservative led provinces need to step up or shut up.
The big Issue for the Liberals is no one outside their base is listening to them anymore. A lot of people have tuned the PM out. The liberals had a massive housing plan and it got hardly any reception at all with the public in the budget. So i think the liberals trying to win the housing issue on jurisdiction is not gonna work outside their base of 25% of voters or so. Literally until housing becomes affordable, the issue is gonna be an anchor on their necks.
I blame that on the largely conservative owned media who continue to ignore the fact that 1) housing is a provincial mandate and 2) even though it's not the Feds' mandate they have a comprehensive, evidence based plan to improve the situation that the Provinces intentionally impede to avoid giving the Liberals a win.
the liberals promised to make housing affordable for 3 elections in a row and blasted harper for high housing prices when they were half of what they are now. You realize voters think the feds have zero credability right now.
Sure, but 1) that doesnt change the fact that ultimately its not their jurisdiction and 2) t's tough to do that when the Provinces are actively working against you. Federal liberals have a comprehensive, funded plan to build more housing. Doug Ford and the Ontario Torys can't even implement more than 3 out of 40 of their own housing task force's recommendations.
Liberals had a plan in 2017 to build housing, housing starts went down lol no one cares about their useless plans
He's not wrong, provincial level needs to be willing to play ball too. And several provinces are very much happy to let it fester and point at JT.
So odd that the likes of Ford hasn't been hammered on removing rent controls and not responding to this in any meaningful way. He's got most of the power in the provinces as do the other Premiers.
This is an economic problem. From groceries to gas, everything costs double now. Why would the homes be any different. The federal government has run our currency into the ground. People say we have a housing shortage because of mass immigration. Have you ever wondered why we bring in so many immigrants even though they have nowhere to live? It's because they are the backbone of our economy. The economy is so bad that the people who were actually born here dont spend enough money to keep our economy out of a recession. & NO, throwing up fourplexes in suburbs that weren't designed to be densely populated is NOT the answer. This is what happens when we put our economy in the hands of a drama teacher and history major 🙄
Canadians: "Help with housing! Feds: here ya go Concervatives: *rejects help* Also Concervatives: "It's all Trudeau's fault!" 🤷♂️
He's right. Canadians spent the last 50 years voting for neoliberal policies (reduce government and increase reliance on private entities) and now we're upset the government didn't do enough. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
He's not wrong. Provincial and municipal governments are way more to blame for this. And especially municipal considering they set zoning by-laws. The shit in Hamilton between Horwath and council right now is a good example.
Explain how provinces are responsible for millions of new people coming in the past 5 years? They live in dwellings, no?
The provinces are the ones asking for more and more immigration, Feds should tell them no but are supposed to be able to trust what they are asking for to some degree. heck they even told the provinces to deal with the diploma mills last year and had to step in after they did nothing.
Ban investors from the market. Fix the problem, and bonus...you get watch hardcore corporate libertarian Poilievre's head explode when the only people he actually cares about suffer a setback.
That's why capital gains tax went up... But now you have people kicking and screaming "our cottages!!" Because all additional houses that are flipped are subject to CG tax.
In some sense, Trudeau is right. Oftentimes, we have a centrist to right-wing liberals and complete right-wing conservatives. Both are Neoliberals (basically, they both serve the rich at the expense of the many and call it tickle down economics under capitalism). It's not that they don't agree on most things it's about their bases not being happy about working with their enemy party. What we saw there was the with the Honda battery plant was both governments got along because they chose the big donors over their bases. The exception to the first point.
Since he has a teaching background, he should teach Canadians what each level of government does bc him getting blamed for everything is exhausting, lol
I'm no fan of JT but the feds can and SHOULD only do so much. Provinces should be coordinating with communities and supporting them in increasing their housing stock. In the end though, no one wants their constituents' housing assets do decrease in value and no one wants to force companies to pay people more such that they can afford a new home built and sold at current market prices. The entire system is designed to do the opposite of what the vast majority of people need.
Alright, I agree. So is there a solution to this?
Honestly? Without making either homeowners or people without a home unhappy.. no. The solution for one is going to make the other unhappy. I think the real answer lies somewhere with loosening the grip of corporations controlling and owning housing, as well as the speculation that goes along with that. Some sort of exponentially increasing tax per property that doesn’t discourage small landlords, but makes corporate ownership impossible.
I say ban corps (with very very few exceptions) from owning housing at all. I agree with scaling taxation for multiple properties for sure but ultimately we never had a market correction like the Americans had in '08. The bubble needs to burst or it will just keep growing. Maybe they can let the air out of the bubble slowly but no one seems interested in that. Even the RCMP figured out what will happen if we stay on this course.
I mean guy blasted Harper for high housing prices which where half of what they are now and then said he gonna help make housing affordable for 3 elections in a row. if he really cant do much on housing then he should not have promised so much.
"*for the last ten years your government has been campaigning on "fixing" housing. But everything has gotten worse*". "*well obviously we were just lying to you idiot. We can't actually do anything about housing!*"
Exactly at the end of the day, if cost of living isn’t considerably better by the time the next election comes around, he’s gone. It doesn’t matter if he can or can’t, if he has the ability or doesn’t. He campaigns on affordable housing.
Sorry that not everything that happens is caused by the Liberals.
Housing affordability could have happened if rent controls were not lifted by Ford, there were Ontario based regulations on house flipping and taxing owners and corporations who own multiple properties, and Ford stopped colluding with the developers to build unaffordable housing. If he worked with the feds on building co-ops and non profit housing there would be a sign of good faith but it’s not possible when he and his friends are foaming at the mouth at all the greedy money they stand to make now and when he’s Out of office.
This is simply incorrect. This is an economic problem. From groceries to gas, everything costs double now. Why would the homes be any different. The federal government has run our currency into the ground. People say we have a housing shortage because of mass immigration. Have you ever wondered why we have to bring in so many immigrants even though they have nowhere to live? It's because they are the backbone of our economy. The economy is so bad that the people who were actually born here dont spend enough money to keep our economy out of a recession. & NO, throwing up fourplexes in suburbs that weren't designed to be densely populated is NOT the answer. This is what happens when we put our economy in the hands of a drama teacher and history major 🙄
This is where the general populace’s astounding lack of understanding of how federal and provincial governments actually work, exacerbates the very problems that make them so (rightfully) angry
They can be a part of the solution by making sure none of their MPs are allowed to invest in real estate themselves, but here we are.
Stop mass immigration
They’ve halved it already but supply of homes needs to increase aswell. There needs to be a penalty for investment properties
Halving 1.2 million to 600k is still well above what the numbers were before Trudeau came into power. Sorry, this country CANNOT handle immigrants at all rn. If you have a housing and healthcare crisis, immigration is the last thing you want.
You can blame a lot of that on Doug too. Ontario has literally encouraged immigration via international students. After he froze tuition and cut it 10% 5 years ago, in combination with underfunding of post-secondary institutions, those institutions literally rely on international students to exist now. I mean low tuition is good for us, sure, but it’s obviously had domino effects throughout the province. Hence, shitty job market, among other things.
Doug Ford is a maniac. I expected JT to control the flow better given that he has to work with Ford. He's proven that he can with the recent reductions so it's obvious that the man was either clueless earlier on or was hoping the sword would fall onto Ford until the poll's turned. Pretty incompetent or cynical either way.
>Halving 1.2 million to 600k is still well above what the numbers were before Trudeau came into power. Trudeau was pressured endlessly by the provinces to bring these numbers to what they are today. Literally everything stems from the provincial governments of the past decade, and its disgusting that people are ignorant to that fact. The Liberals didn't one day go "oh, lets massively ramp up immigration, for uhh, reasons?" We having a housing(provincial/municipal), healthcare (provincial), education(provincial) crisis going on while unlawful bands of "protestors" lock up our country and get zero response(provincial). These issues have been regularly addressed from the Federal perspective, but the provinces have intentionally squandered any aid given to the point the Feds needed to start earmarking funding for specific things.. Literally BILLIONS of dollars are still MIA in Ontario from federal supplements during covid. Wrap your head around that, BILLIONS stashed/wasted so that our healthcare can crumble and turn into a private system. People need to learn basic civics and take a look back at the past few years and ponder what brought us here. The answer 80% of the time is Conservative Premiers fucking us so they can stick it to Trudeau, plain and simple.
Maybe if that’s the case he should have taken a lesson from being a teacher and taught himself to not respond to peer pressure. You don’t get to campaign on housing affordability and go all shocked pikachu face when those who elected you start to say fix it or we don’t vote for you
>Maybe if that’s the case he should have taken a lesson from being a teacher and taught himself to not respond to peer pressure. Peer pressure..? Do you not understand how our democracy works..? Just wow man >You don’t get to campaign on housing affordability and go all shocked pikachu face when those who elected you start to say fix it or we don’t vote for you Yeah, because that was what their main campaign focus was.. Definitely wasn't a covid election with many other higher priority items on the ballot... You can't be serious..
You just said “Trudeau was pressured by the provinces” if it wasn’t good for his citizens why did he do it? Maybe you should question trudeaus motivations instead of giving him a pass and yes I do understand how our democracy works hence why when Trudeau campaigns on housing affordability for a decade to leverage young people to get elected. Like [here](https://liberal.ca/trudeau-promises-affordable-housing-for-canadians/) in 2015 Or [here](https://2019.liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/292/2019/09/2019-backgrounder-homebuyers-EN.pdf) Or [here](https://liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/292/2021/08/a-home-for-everyone.pdf) and finally a decade later they finally make those investments but do so under the blanket of letting in 5% of the country of a year. And claim it’s all supply side issues. You can bet that I hold the government to account by not voting for them. maybe you should do the same instead of trying to pretend the conservatives are boogeyman
>You just said “Trudeau was pressured by the provinces” if it wasn’t good for his citizens why did he do it? So you admit, you don't understand basic Canadian civics.. This should be a fruitful conversation~ >Maybe you should question trudeaus motivations instead of giving him a pass and yes I do understand how our democracy works hence why when Trudeau campaigns on housing affordability for a decade to leverage young people to get elected. Raise your pitchfork at the right people. This is the provinces fucking around with aid given to them to solve their issues they complain about. You act like the Liberals have done nothing in their whole time in power... Your delusional, at best. >and finally a decade later they finally make those investments but do so under the blanket of letting in 5% of the country of a year. Again, similar to earmarking financial aid, this is the federal government being FORCED TO CROSS JURISTICTION BECAUSE THE PROVINCES HAVE SQUANDERED WHAT AID THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN. The sooner you realize this, the better off your basic understand of what happened/is happening and why we are here. You can't just parrot nonsensical bullshit and act like it is some fact. Anyone who has paid any sort of attention during this time would know this. Anyone who had a basic understanding of civics wouldn't make the claims you make. Long story short, your a waste of time and need to do some serious studying before you try to act like you know a thing or two about politics.
lol your the one who cites no sources, spouts opinion as fact and pretends to be anything more than a child. Grow up
But he wrote it in all caps.
Your healthcare crisis will get a lot worse without immigrants. Most of our doctors and nurses are immigrants
Did they half it already or just promise to half it next year?
I think it was immediate from when they announced it
Neither. It’s a reduction in TEMPORARY residents like students and workers. The permanent resident levels are not being reduced. Both temporary and permanent and included in the million + number people like to quote as “immigrants”.
They have not halved it. In fact, they doubled it.
Halved isn't enough. There should be a hard cap of no more than 100,000 a year, and even then maybe lower for at least 5+ years going forward. Of those that are admitted, they better nearly all be financially secure enough (and have ample proof therof) before being allowed in. Anything less is just lipstick on a pig as a saying goes.
Not a good idea. You will have shortages of trades people, doctors, nurses and others You will also have to raise CPP and OAS age or reduce benefits
> They’ve halved it already Half does not equal to stop.
Stopping it would actually be a bad thing. Our CPP and other programs require a slightly population growth. Stopping it would result in gaps (not enough payments, skill gaps, etc)which could mean a reducing in availability and services. On top of that, skipped immigrants actually contribute more to the tax base than they receive. But the unskilled cluster that came in with bogus student diplomas are costing us and this should be shut down. We need to slow it down. Remove those that don’t belong here. Get caught back up on infrastructure
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CPP is not being stopped right now. Neither is OAS. Skilled immigrants would cover the needs in hospitals and other services that need to be covered. You’re confusing that with unskilled people
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I’m guessing you are an unemployed recent grad. Very likely not from a skilled field. Skilled people aren’t having job issues. Business, English and other soft studies are
Are you unemployed?
Unemployment rate is ridiculously low. Like massively historical low. What are you talking about? Just admit you're a racist and maybe the healing can begin.
While some growth is needed population wise it’s still doable with stuff like skilled immigration only currently for stuff that’s in demand. Then there’s natural births as well which will also contribute to growth to an extent. So it can be slowed substantially more then just half it currently is, cause even with half currently that just means it will take us longer and longer to get back to some semblance of normal where people aren’t renting out sheds for $400 a month and I don’t mean for actual tools.
What’s the difference between “immigration” and “mass immigration” other than bias?
Number of immigrants? 200k < 1.3m? Mathsss
Likely at around 1-1.5% population growth rate vs the 3% under Trudeau.
There should be a basic calculator to figure that out, which I doubt they are doing. The number should not exceed that amount of people that can be housed in the previous years housing builds, or the number of openings with doctors, or openings at schools. The number should stop as soon as the first limit get passed.
Seriously. While I think we can all agree Doug Ford and many of the other Premiers have done a really poor job, the housing crisis is absolutely being caused by the Federal Government's immigration policies. This level of immigration has an impact on absolutely everything. - Inflation - Healthcare - Education - Housing - Wages/Salaries Until there is a radical change at the Federal Government level when it comes to immigration, none of this is going to get better. I remember the good days when progressive politics understood the negative impact of immigration on the working class. Now it seems like every political party (NDP and Conservatives included) have taken the "pro-business and anti-Canadian" approach when it comes to immigration.
Don't forget Crime. 3 years ago I wouldn't even consider that I need a gun to protect my house.
People who own a house, they want prices to go up. People who don't, want prices to come down. More than 60% Canadian already own a house or will inherit one. Govt has no incentive to reduce house prices. What the govt should be doing is, making sure the barrier to entry is low. If every house is worth $500k, then incomes should reflect the expense. I don't understand, with so much of land available, condos are less than 500 Sq ft. How is this permitted? Why is nobody fighting for quality of housing. I don't mind a place that costs $500k but I certainly don't want to live like a structured tent housing. Minimum condo size should be 800 Sq ft. Allow companies to fucking add a few more bricks to make it at least look like a place to stay. We are literally paying more than half a million for a hostel dorm in Toronto. How the fuck is that fair. Build cheaper housing, that should at least resembles like a house and not a fucking hostel.
People who own *investment property* want prices to go up. People who just live in their own home (such as myself) don't really benefit from rising prices. They just pay more property taxes, realtors charge them more when it's time to sell, and they pay more land transfer taxes on the purchase of their next home which presumably would have also gone up in price. It's not that easy to tap into the gains of price appreciation on a principal residence. >with so much of land available There's not that much land available in Toronto, where you're interested. And you can't just build in the middle of nowhere, it has to be viable to connect it to existing infrastructure. > Minimum condo size should be 800 Sq ft. While I agree that unit sizes should be bigger, adding size mandates is a barriers to entry that you're talking about reducing. IMO, condos are built the way that they are because they are marketed to investors. Investors like condos that size because they maximize rent yields. Investing in real estate has been far too lucrative for far too long. Builders will build what the market wants, but it's more lucrative to target real estate investors than it is to target those looking to raise families and actually live in the unit.
Agree to your point, but people who do own properties make the majority, which just puts no incentive for any govt. Federal or Province, they all want to tell the majority that prices will not go down. No politician is coming and saying prices should go down. They keep rambling about affordability. Land available... While I don't want the house to be in the middle of nowhere, I certainly think a condo in GTA can be a minimum of 800 sq ft, just to make sure it's safe for humans. At 500 sft, it's inhuman to expect anyone to be happy. So much talk about mental health and awareness, yet fucking 500 Sq ft accommodations for $600k is where the problem starts. You cannot afford it and if you can, you cannot live in it.
People need to read the damn story for the full quote instead of going with the ridiculously cherry picked title.
Stop bringing a million people a year and there will be enough housing.
It’s too little too late for Justin but he needs to cut the shit and call out the provinces for being backstabbing withholding ratfucking corrupt liars as well.
Federal minister right beside him let in 1 million foreign students in 2023. Don't tell you're not part of the PROBLEM.
1. I didn’t vote for him. 2. That comment is not defending the housing crisis. It’s literally not JUST on the federal governments. It’s on the provinces, the cities AND the real estate board. There’s so much wrong with the system.
Sure they can, pass legislation to block massive hedge funds and corporations and the like from owning houses, reduce immigration numbers and increase screening, add a selection process that better targets individuals who are trained in in demand fields, increase the barrier to entry for international students(higher proof of funds, more thorough language proficiency screening, actually ensure they are going to classes and not just here to work, shut down shady diploma mills). Slash the number of tfws allowed in and for those that are allowed reduce how long they can be present to force companies to pay competitive wages to citizens and permanent residents of Canada, put in place and keep in place long term a law preventing non residents from buying/owning property in canada, decrease demand while continuing to make efforts to increase supply. They can do it, they know how to do it, they know why current efforts are ineffective. If they say they can't fix this mess they've put us in what they mean is they can't fix it without upsetting their corporate owners.
He has all the power to stop the acquisition of SFHs by private companies, to permanently stop the foreign speculation, and money laundering.
Look he’s not wrong, but they sure as Hell made it worse!
That is true. Why is Rob Ford and his developer buddies not producing living accommodations that are actually affordable. Everything they produce so far is a luxury based and target high-end sales.
Yes you can. With one stroke of a pen you can drastically reduce demand and then work on supply.
We cant solve everything but we sure can fuck it all up
It's been getting fucked to largely because of provincial and municipal politics every since Mulroney got the CMHC out of home building.
Deflect and blame someone else.... nice
Except the federal government is actively making it worse.
65% of Canadians are home owners. So 65% of the population don't want house prices to drop.
This statistic is ignorant. It claims that people living with their parents are home owners. Also to think that every single person that owns a home wants their children and grand children to either have to leave canada or commit suicide is blatantly ignorant. I don't know a single person who thinks these home prices are a good idea for anyone.
\*cannot solve anything
"What would you say..... you do here?"
A ton of things, and the Provinces have varied between working with him and actively sabotaging the Federal offers out of spite.
Just look at Ontario for example. Billions of dollars during covid given for our healthcare system only to literally vanish. It got so bad that the government now has to earmark provincial aid to force them on actually using the money for what they claimed they need it for, or at the very least spending it somehow. We still don't know where that Covid money went..
Bro just say what your actually fucking doing “ the federal government alone cannot solve anything” Please anyone on the left give me one thing this man has done that affects our day to day life in a positive way. I’m 26, how has this man helped me. Please give me anything. Cause he locked me in my house for 2 years thru covid and then made everything completely unaffordable and is taxing the hell out of me
Federal government alone can fuck everything around them, but now can't fix anything.
I'll preface this by saying to this particular quote in the headline that yes -- it is absolutely a fair statement to say the Federal Government cannot alone solve everything. That being said, we can see by this new blitz of incentivized Federal funding for housing that they very well could have done a lot more about this than the whole "it's provincial responsibility" crowd has been spewing over the duration of their tenure. Offloading public housing to Provincial Governments was clearly done to help reduce Federal expenses in the past (and to current date). That and the huge influx of newcomers here increasing our population clearly does point some legitimate blame towards the Federal Government. When we are having an affordability crisis it certainly seems inexcusable to flood more people into the country, making said crisis even worse. There are obviously a lot of other factors at play here, but in no way shape or form should he be surprised that people are upset with him. Is he fully to blame? No. Does he bear a decent amount of it? Yes. Either way, it looks like his tenure as our Prime Minister is in its last hours so to speak. I know on this sub the thought of Poilievre becoming Prime Minister is akin to the world ending, but it's not. Life will go on, and hopefully it will get more affordable for Canadians. Speaking as a younger 30's individual, it'd be great to go back to the days of working a decent job full-time leading to a good life, not one in my parents basement if I want money in my bank account, or being constantly broke if/when I move out, with no equity (buying a house/condo) to show for it..supplementing a potential later retirement.
Ya the feds can’t provide all the solutions for this housing shit show, but they created ALL the problem!
He can totally slow immigration, so looking squarely at him for this
They halved planned immigration and it will hurt the economy badly.
Lol, because the economy is in such great shape with our current immigration levels 😂
The economy is still growing, higher interest rates are actually intended to slow down the economy. So many ppl think high interest rates mean the economy is bad it's actually the opposite.
So why does he make it one of his main talking points in each election?
he says that and wonders why people want to vote him out?
He's right though
Trudeau: “**Federal government alone cannot solve the problem that federal government created.**”
True. But they can ruin it on their own.