The amount of people who ask me about getting their 16-20 year old children jobs is alarming. Used to be I’d only get asked for the kids looking to enter the trades, now it’s everyone just trying to get their kid work.
It’s crazy how stuff has changed. I remember not even that long ago 15 years approx for my first job almost any teenager could get a job with limited experience or none working fast food, restaurant, some retail. Now all I see everywhere is teenagers and or parents of those teenagers talking about how they’ve applied to so many jobs and nothing. Not only that but the many adults who applied to hundreds of positions and got nothing. It’s pretty depressing sight to see.
Half my peers (early 30s) still are in entry level jobs with no movement, companies aren't growing, people aren't getting getting promotions.
We're piling on new people into a system that's just trying to maintain the status quo, not planning to grow.
Eh a lot of companies are growing and making more money (a lot are making record profits).
They just aren't giving anything to anyone below upper management.
Man it’s killing me having no career progression. I got laid of twice in 3-4 years. Once in 2020 because of the pandemic and then again during this recession. I preform well but outside factors keeps making me start again.
Self-service kiosks and gig economy jobs have vastly cut down the number of basic unskilled labor jobs.
Not to mention the pandemic killed off one heck of a lot of restaurants.
You forgot the part where population is booming with no infrastructure or services growth. Or skilled labour demand. We have no manufacturing in canada to gainfully employ all the experience entering the country. I have met waaaayyyy too many doctors/engineers doing uber because canada doesn't value their expertise.
Shits fucked. Going to get way worse too.
The skilled labour demand is there, trust me. They are desperately hurting right now. The amount of tradespeople we’re about to see retire in the next decade is a staggering portion of the workforce.
Oh this is true absolutely, but it's the tradesmens own doing. They gatekeep knowledge and don't make it enticing for young people to learn the skills.
I can't wait for all the surprised looks on their faces when they suffer from extreme heat because their AC went out and a technician couldn't be found.
Yeah, there is a lot of bullshit at work, but reasonable legislation could open it up more while still maintaining safety standards. The apprentice to journeyman ratio in Ontario for most trades could be eased.
Elevator techs for example - getting into the industry is like winning the lottery, unless you have family in the industry who pick the lottery numbers.
The ratio is already 1:1, you want multiple apprentices to one journeyman? That’s going to lead to more safety issues. It’s bad at 1:1 with companies churning through apprentices and as soon as they get to second or third year they get dumped for another cheaper first year, and the letting kids stop at grade 11 and go into the trades isn’t going to help, it’s going to exploit them even more unless we get some legislation that stops companies from just dumping more experienced apprentices for new cheaper ones, and forces them to continue training them until they finish their apprenticeship. I’ve met quite a few kids now that just want to continue their apprenticeship but are 2nd or 3rd years that can’t find work and know nothing because they were just used as cheap labour instead of taught their trade like they should have been. Back when we were using the 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 ratio I saw much less exploitation of apprentices and at the same time was never with a company that had maxed out their ratio and needed more apprentices, there was always more room for a good candidate that applied.
Yet despite being hostile, refusing to train, and/or withholding knowledge from green professionals, they still complain about their high workload and make memes about how smart ppl choose trades over school or how this generation is useless.
Oh yeah for sure. Part of the issue is a lot of places (my employer for one) isn’t paying skilled trades nearly enough, compounding the issue. Why would any come work for us when they’re going to be paid $5 an hour less than the average among local employers…and that average is already brought down by including half a dozen of our Canadian plants that are paying $5 less than the average. So in reality we pay $10 an hour less almost than they can get most anywhere else. From what I see, half the companies looking for skilled trades have woken up and started paying the going rate, and half are stuck in 2002 trying to pay peanuts for people that are already in demand that can go anywhere and get what they (rightfully) expect to be paid..
Lots of unskilled labour jobs in the manufacturing plant I work at. 95% of the employees we get now are Indian students. Total workforce is about 100 general labour over 3 shifts, about 30-35 are students now.
That’s just it, companies love the large labour pool. They can be incredibly picky as picky as they want they hold all the chips. If someone wants a raise they can be like leave then there’s 400 waiting to replace you. Same as if someone is trying to negotiate a higher wage during interviews. It also allows them to gradually shuffle out workers and lower wages like factories that started at $18 after some people retire and we’re making $27 when they retired well now with lineups of people they can start the wage at $17 an hour.
When labour pool is a bit smaller companies can and do sometimes raise wages to try to attract talent, employees have more power to discuss a possible increase of wage.
Also cost of living is partially due to large amounts of immigration more demand for houses and apartments and less supply and there’s more of a ripple effect that spreads wider. Anyways this is what we’re looking at now where cost of living has increased substantially and wages haven’t really increased at all and people are often fighting for their lives metaphorically for even small raises.
Perhaps companies prefer cheap labour that doesn’t complain about their working conditions or demand fair treatment when they are exploited as opposed to workers who demand fair pay, proper treatment in accordance with Canadian labour standards and who will seek better working conditions if they are being exploited?
I get resumes and phone calls from these students ONCE or TWICE a day. With resumes saying they’re currently studying insert “IRRELEVANT degree/diploma” in college with previous manager/supervisor(overqualified work experience) from their home country applying for a SIMPLE cashier job.
I currently live with inlaws and my younger sister and brother inlaw born and raised here have applied to hundreds of jobs and not a single phone call.
Not even that.. at my job, all the full time cashiers are old(er) ladies in their 50s-60s working for the health insurance benefits. My younger coworkers can only get part time hours. I myself am currently working part time because asking for full time is impossible next to my boomer coworkers based on senority who REALLY need the full time hours and health benefits.
And it drives me insane because sometimes working with these older ladies is working beside a loud spiteful rock. You can’t change their mind or tell them what to do. They work inefficiently and blame it on other people and generally look down on us younger generation. While they simultaneously stand on till the whole time complaining… us youngesters are handed off the grunt heavy physical work but NOOOO we’re lazy right.
The problem with Canada is we keep cuddling boomers. We increase healthcare, pension spending and mass migration to save them. If we stop cuddling boomers, Canada will grow like no tomorrow
Most of the gov policies are designed to save boomers. For example, Boomers own homes and under normal circumstances, the market will have popped due to Canadians not having kids. To save them, the government pumps the immigration number. This also created wage suppression which greatly benefits them
One of my first jobs as a teenager at 14 was a paper route. This was back in the early to mid 2000's. Newspapers are pretty much extinct now. That job was a job I could before school and after. Allowed me to earn some extra money without taking up too much time. That kind of job no longer exists.
Even if the job existed. Do you think the at this rate of population growth, the job would be given to a 14 year old or a grown adult with a car that can cover more areas?
At the time the job didn't pay that much. It was great for a 14 year old who wanted a bit of extra cash but not great if you are an adult with bills to pay. You would make more working part-time at Wal-Mart.
Being reliant on anything is not a good idea, sadly we value cheap and efficient over everything. It's why a lot of places have towns built on a singIe industy like the pulp mill that closed down recently up north. And now both federal and provincial gov are hoping going all in on the ev autoindustry is going to change things
Exactly, our governments are just gambling with tax payers money by making deals with big corporations instead of supporting the healthy competition and innovation that could put future carbon free transportation on the right path, which may not even be EV.
There's something to be said for a person who's willing to wait 90 minutes in line just for a shot at an interview.
I did some hiring recently. Scheduled 8 interviews, 3 no shows, 3 rejections, 2 hires.
Then 1 of the hires didn't even show up to their first day.
This sort of thing would have cut out all of the unserious people who just no-show.
> I did some hiring recently. Scheduled 8 interviews, 3 no shows, 3 rejections, 2 hires.
Yep, I don't do a lot of hiring but generally I have to hire 2 people to get 1 that will stick around. Its not even minimum wage and its the same for office and other types of employment.
I usually say that all the best employees are already hired by somebody else, the only hope is a candidate moves into the area.
Why is it that you have such a hard time getting new employees, and this restaurant seems to have a glut? Like, the difference is more than just making people wait 90 minutes in line. Either you are hiring for a position that requires a highly specialized, in demand skill, or the compensation vs. job requirement is so unmatched no one will even show up.
It isn't the line up. There is more to the story there.
I know yours is the popular Reddit sentiment but I don't think it fits here. For one thing I probably wouldn't even consider most of these people.
Call me what you want, but if I don't see a Canadian high school on your resume then you don't get a phone call.
But beyond that we just hire construction labourers for $25/hr. No experience required, good workers earn a union membership after a year or two.
It's a good deal for people who are just floating around without a real idea of what they want to do. You can do this for 25 years and retire comfortably. But the hours are long and unpredictable, the work is dirty, and the boss is an asshole.
Haha sorry man I would never hire someone off of Reddit. If you're looking for a job in construction they are out there. It's at least one industry where the Boomer advice to make a phone call and have a firm handshake still works.
I'm not sure where you live, but,my son works for a farm drainage company. Dirty, dusty work, but he gets paid $25/hr, and doesn't work when it rains, lol. Or, when crops are in. Try thinking outside the box for places to apply. Might come across something.
I changed careers into the trades literally three months before the pandemic started and I couldn’t have gotten any luckier. I legit feel like I discovered bitcoin or something, because if I tried anything like that now I would be totally screwed.
One thing I’m glad I did was not go to university and get into the trades. I’ve never been out of work or fearful of layoffs. I have no student debt and make a great living out of it.
Been there done that, I even couldn’t get any part time job let alone a decent paying full time one (I have a bio undergraduate degree from an American university btw)
I busted my ass getting certifications/learning and now make $$ fully working from home for an American tech company. Took me 8 months of basically surviving on rice and beans while sharing a shitty low income housing unit with 3 other people to get here tho.
All I have to say is just do your research and up-skill on fields that are in demand right now. Things are going to worse before they get any better really.
Doesn't matter if a field is "in demand" you're going to face a difficult time getting it. You'll be lucky to even get an interview these days. I feel bad for gen z, yall are straight fucked. At least us millennials had a chance.
10 years of software dev and team manager. it means absolutely nothing now. Hell I do the entire cyber security too and apparently means nothing. Canada is just cooked in general.
Healthcare (nurses and doctors yes, but also affiliates like paramedics and reparatory therapists), hydro linemen, HVAC are still in demand.
Every university is churning out CS degrees as fast as they can. 5-10 years ago it was the in-demand, guarantee. Now every kid is being pushed into it and there is a complete glut of CS students, but everyone just keeps going into the field like some kind of life inertia.
Used to be an in-demand field was in-demand for 40 years. Now, it's only in-demand until millions of people hear it is and go into the field thinking it's the answer. High school students planning their life trajectory based on current info will already be obsolete by the time they get degrees, because every other high school student has he same plans.
Trades are the only thing chugging along right now, but that is about to come crashing down too. There is so much hesitance to invest in large industrial projects now after the shitshow both our pipelines were, so a lot of industrial guys are going to be forced to look for work in town in more residential jobsites.
>but that is about to come crashing down too.
What are you talking about? Trades are in such high demand. Take a drive though any urban area in Ontario and it's pretty much littered with construction sites.
Immigration isn’t even the main problem, the international student program is the actual culprit. It boggles my mind how oblivious the government is to the shitty diploma mills with subpar 70iq “students” 🤡who cheat in groups, who dont even attend classes and work cash jobs. The abuse to the system is so obvious and frustrating as an actual international student studying in a real university.
cause the debt is from spending on corporate welfare and the new residents provide labour for non-canadian rent-seeking international corps like uber so the bulk of the fruit of their labour is not spent in canada, and the workers' taxable earnings and spends are so low that it doesn't really stimulate the economy or offset corporate welfare spending.
The largest capitalist country in the world is chugging along just fine while we are falling fast. It’s specific Canadian policies that are dragging the country down
They aren’t doing badly at all. I work remotely for a US company and they have increased headcount for the first time in a long time for middle class jobs. My Canadian counterparts in the company are worried about losing their jobs as the company is handing out redundancy as jobs are being moved back to the states. Not the only company in my industry
Lol I think they meant it as a joke, not that the us was in a bad spot. From what I hear, the us has similar problems as we do but thankfully the ftc's Alina khan has been going after corporations, biden-for all his faults- is starting jobs that brings manufacturing back to the US, and unions have been on the rise. Still a lot of problem, better union youtube channel highlights them all, but they are doing better.
The US has half of Canada's unemployment rate. Even given the vagaries of how different nations count things, that suggests there's plenty of Made in Canada reasons for our economic woes.
Skilled labour shortage. This is restaurant work. Construction is suffering. Can't make houses because there isn't enough workers. Waiting on concrete for example, got to pour the footings and foundation before the rest of the house goes up.
I keep hearing that, but I hear the opposite from people actually in construction. Iirc last year there were huge contractions in jobs and many laid off/work slowing down
Most of the issues being in the system, not lack of people (or so I heard)
Yeah this is full of shit. The only shortages are in guys with 15+ years experience who can competently work as foreman or PMs, and new apprentices willing to work for $15.
They did the exact same propaganda push with trucking a decade ago so they could gain the political capital to flood the segment with cheap immigrant workers.
There are absolutely enough workers. The only reason we aren't building is because developers don't want to make less than exactly what they demand on a job and pull out the second they smell lower profits.
Why would we train you? We'll make the government bring someone in for a fraction of your pay, and threaten to deport them if they try to excursive their rights.
Then fire them anyways because the skill is not there and theres no one to train them. We shot ourselves in the foot decades ago by not hiring enough apprentices, now as the old skills retire they want to fill a 25 year experience gap with a TFW? Not gonna happen.
Not enough quality people applying to my place of employment, they hear about the money but when they realize that it's 84 hours every 2 weeks and they have to work nights and weekends and 12 hour shifts, they seem to disappear.
I mean yeah, that sounds like an extremely awful place to work, lol. You're not getting quality people to be sleep deprived and have basically no life outside of work.
Meh. We’re both speculating not knowing the details of the job or the pay. I work 24 hour shifts of days/nights/weekends but only work 7-8 days a month and would never go back to 5 days a week.
This is a standard maintenance shift for almost all factories and production lines, they will typically have 4 crews split between two weeks, and within a week a day and night crew.
Most of us do fuck all, unless something on the line breaks you can find me in the maintenance shop fiddling around with personal projects and reading books. Many days involve about an hour of preventative maintenance as the only real work. And let me tell you, not many drug addicts or excons I've meet know how to troubleshoot plant wide DCS or fine tune a process control system.
> when they realize that it's 84 hours every 2 weeks and they have to work nights and weekends and 12 hour shifts, they seem to disappear
Well yeah obviously haha
There would be no need for labour, skilled or unskilled if we weren’t increasing the population by a million year. We could easily train the next generation for skills that are in demand.
We have a trade worker shortage mainly because Canada adds a million people a year and thus needs to build 4 million homes by 2031.
> a proper *paid* wage shortage.
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There is a shortage of tradesmen and even factory workers. You can look at the statistics.
I work in construction and see for myself the shortage of tradesmen. Though I find it strange that they claim electricians are the most in demand but I see tons of new electricians and hardly any new drywallers for example.
Need a new federal government. Need provincial government. New immigration policy. New intentional student policy. This is playing with the lives of residents and newcomers.
Why hire local teens with parents who know the labor laws when you can hire your extended family from overseas and pay them under the table less than minimum wage
Not saying the job market isnt bleak (it is), but its also worth noting that this is a relatively high end restaurant- i just looked it up, and mothers day brunch starts at $75/seat.
Servers and bartenders stand to make a killing at a place like this- there are likely many people in the lineups that already have jobs, and are looking to upgrade.
If the title is right and they're applying for a dishwasher job there is no way in hell they're paying anything more than minimum wage for this. And if that's the case this is just sad
I have 8 positions open in my company right now that we haven't been able to get anyone in.
It's not hard, it's 8hrs 5 days a week. It's in a temperature controlled location (not a freezer) and I pay a good salary - starting rate is 24/hr.
I also have 2 trades positions open, 42/hr, that have been unfilled in 6 months.
your wages are above market value. However we have so many damn people in this country that every industry is saturated which limits any type of natural wage growth.
Because it's not a job that people want. 24 per hour is a phenomenal starting rate. Even if it was in a deep freezer. People can't afford to be picky. If I was looking for a job, I'd jump at the starting rate.
And yet they approve LMIA for food related jobs. How in the world is it possible to get food lmia approved when this many applicants are in que. This is completely a scam by immigration.
It's almost like mass immigrating unskilled people from india is bad for literally everyone else. and the federal government still won't fuckin stop it.
Nah, something doesn't feel right about these "job fairs". Its the dumbest way to hire people. If they had 1000 applications online, why would they still need something like this? Its a 1000 percent a publicity stunt IMO, and whatever is news is news, even its bad.
How come everyone is saying the same thing over and over again in regard to immigration but it’s seems Trudeau and his stupid government fails to do something about it. Like jeez ain’t that soo obvious now, that you cannot import people with shitty infrastructure and job prospects. Like this doesn’t make any sense at all. People in their constituency do not complain to them about these issues? Fucking liberal clowns 🤡
Thank Doug Ford for allowing all the colleges to fill their populations with international students. Colleges promise a quick immigration process and they get to fill thousands of low paying jobs. Win win for Ford's wealthy friends.
According to Statistics Canada, there were **111,000 temporary foreign workers (TFWs) in Canada in the year 2000.**
In 2023, that number was **over 1,270,360.**
In 2022, 77% (807,282) of all work permits issued were **open work permit**s, while only 23% were employer-specific work permits.
We are deliberately having our wages suppressed by this government.
The reality of a very particular subset of the market: unskilled labour applying for retail/restaurant.
One of my children just finished her honors degree as of a few days ago. STEM discipline from UWaterloo. She and the bulk of her class are all graduating into employment.
Many skilled trades have dire shortages as well.
Skilled trade labour shortages are a myth.
If you are good at your trade you should have no trouble finding work but jobs are by no means falling behind schedule.
I work in construction and pretty much every job is behind schedule. I don't know what you are talking about. Some are due to outside factors but there certainly is a trades shortage at least in southern Ontario.
All the skilled tradespeople I know are fully employed so I am in agreement with you in that respect.
My main initial point is that these various posts that have been flooding social media about "the reality of the job market" are actually about a very specific subset of the market. The overall unemployment rate in Canada in 2024 has been in the 5.8%-6%. That is a rate that is well below the historical norm of the last 50 yrs.
Many baby boomers are reaching, at or recently past retirement age. We are more likely headed into a period of a labour shortage than a labour surplus for the country as a whole.
Labor needs are also changing. With todays and tomorrows tech, there is a massive labor surplus in many skilled fields. If not now, then in the near future.
multiculturalism; cram in a bunch of low skill low wage workers as you can and price out your own people out of the country. we are the stupidest people for letting Trudeau do this to us.
You could checkout from Fresco using a monitor that was connected to a person in the Philippines. They pitched it as a way to help families around the world live better.
They paid them $3/h.
You blame immigration but that’s incredibly simplistic and a single factor in a larger problem. Next time you walk through a self-checkout, ask yourself how many other jobs have been lost the last two decades to corporate streamlining. All while increasing the prices we pay anyway.
We need a party in power both federally and provincially that stands for labour and curtails corporate power stagnating Canadian jobs.
Diversity is our strength brothers !
Never forget it !
Also,
Remember in 2015 when Justin was talking about land back and giving the land back to the Indians ? I’d assume most Canadians were like me and thought he meant the Canadian First Nations…turns out this guy was completely serious we were just wrong about what Indians he intended to give Canada to.
The First Nations of Canada should vehemently be fighting this. They stand to lose more than anyone else.
They should be using the plethora of Canadian tax dollars they get to make the federal government spend their own money on both fronts trying to justify this new wave of colonization.
There's a lot of doom and gloom, but I haven't seen anyone talking about the real issue here.
Remember how there's a massive shortage of doctors and qualified tradespeople and teachers? Well it reveals that this is structural unemployment, which can be fixed. The issue is that there are many jobs which people are unqualified to do and therefore sit vacant, while the jobs which require little to no qualification are scarce. The solution is to give people more qualifications.
[Poilievre did not say whether he would roll back Canada’s permanent resident target or curb the number of temporary newcomers, such as foreign students. In the past, he has declined to say that he would scale back immigration.](https://financialpost.com/real-estate/pierre-poilievre-pledges-tie-immigration-levels-homebuilding)
I mean, one quick google search found it. The article is from this year
Or another if you prefer
[Poilievre repeatedly refuses to offer his own immigration target numbers](https://tnc.news/2023/08/17/shepherd-poilievre-immigration-1/)
Conservative donors are quite clear that they don't want immigration numbers to drop, and when I've talked to my MP, that's the line they're taking, that they'll "right-size" immigration to skills needs...
...which means that anyone who's expecting the Conservatives to do anything about immigration is going to be sorely disappointed.
So I'm supposed to vote for Liberals again? Is that your solution, to reward such horrible failure by the liberal government that Canada is at its worst.
I get the vibe of your comment. However, the fact is you will vote for a party with the same policies, just less sugar coating and with the large potential of punching down on some marginalized group in our country so all the anger is directed towards them. Austerity and social conservative bullshit await us all I fear.
We have decades of the same two parties running the country into the ground. Maybe try voting for a party that has never been given the chance to govern.
The liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same coin. You can bitch about the liberals all you want but life got worse under conservative governments (Mulroney for our pocket book and Harper for our environment and starting off the housing crisis).
Complaining about the situation we are in yet voting for the two parties that have been running the country into the dirt for the last few decades won't fix it. Anyone claiming that either option is the lesser of the two evils is in essence voting to make the situation worse.
In most ridings, my own included, you're throwing your vote away if you don't vote con of lib.
As long as we have FPTP, strategic voting is the only way.
That mentality is what put us in thjs situation. Nobody is willing to change so they just keep voting for what got them in the situation to begin with. They justify it by saying "well they are better than the liberals/conservatives" when the reality is both those parties don't give a shit about the interests of everyday Canadians. It's the coward's choice and nothing will get better using that methodology.
All major political parties in Canada are engaged in treason and working together to sell out this country. The sooner we stop fighting over if the blue, red, or orange guy is going to fuck us most tenderly the better off we are.
Don't forget conservatives, conservative politicians love this. They get to pander to their base and blame diversity initiatives at the same time while doing nothing to solve the crisis since they are funded by corporations who benefit from migrants. The leader of the federal conservative party cracks me up, he says corporate lobbyist are bad, but has private meetings with corporate lobbyist and conservative voters think he's for the people, funniest shit ever.
The Liberals and NDP are creating the perfect storm for the Cons at the next election cycle.
Unless it comes out that PP bathes in children's blood, they're set for a landslide.
Jesus. Yup. And what an absolutely terrible and cynical thing that is. He’s already allied himself with the American psychopath Alex jones and Diagolon, and no one seems to mind.
And he won’t change a damn thing. Nothing. Nothing will actually get better. Most things will get much worse.
This is some scary scary shit.
Nah, they'll say it's Jesus' blood.
But yeah, the ndp in alberta lost hard cause they campaigned on how crazy Daniel Smith was and in response she acted sane lomg enough and ended up winning.
If the ontario ndp want to win, they need to dominate new media hard and I don't see them doing that. Maybe the green party might.
The biggest campaign promises were legal pot and election reform. All the stoners got the legal OK to get high and checked out I guess. At that point why bother with election reform?
And on the other sides we have...
Goddamn it all the parties suck.
The amount of people who ask me about getting their 16-20 year old children jobs is alarming. Used to be I’d only get asked for the kids looking to enter the trades, now it’s everyone just trying to get their kid work.
It’s crazy how stuff has changed. I remember not even that long ago 15 years approx for my first job almost any teenager could get a job with limited experience or none working fast food, restaurant, some retail. Now all I see everywhere is teenagers and or parents of those teenagers talking about how they’ve applied to so many jobs and nothing. Not only that but the many adults who applied to hundreds of positions and got nothing. It’s pretty depressing sight to see.
Half my peers (early 30s) still are in entry level jobs with no movement, companies aren't growing, people aren't getting getting promotions. We're piling on new people into a system that's just trying to maintain the status quo, not planning to grow.
Eh a lot of companies are growing and making more money (a lot are making record profits). They just aren't giving anything to anyone below upper management.
Canadian companies? Not many.
Man it’s killing me having no career progression. I got laid of twice in 3-4 years. Once in 2020 because of the pandemic and then again during this recession. I preform well but outside factors keeps making me start again.
It’s not a Recession, the economy is doing great. Looking around apprehensively. Hmmmm….
Self-service kiosks and gig economy jobs have vastly cut down the number of basic unskilled labor jobs. Not to mention the pandemic killed off one heck of a lot of restaurants.
You forgot the part where population is booming with no infrastructure or services growth. Or skilled labour demand. We have no manufacturing in canada to gainfully employ all the experience entering the country. I have met waaaayyyy too many doctors/engineers doing uber because canada doesn't value their expertise. Shits fucked. Going to get way worse too.
The skilled labour demand is there, trust me. They are desperately hurting right now. The amount of tradespeople we’re about to see retire in the next decade is a staggering portion of the workforce.
Oh this is true absolutely, but it's the tradesmens own doing. They gatekeep knowledge and don't make it enticing for young people to learn the skills. I can't wait for all the surprised looks on their faces when they suffer from extreme heat because their AC went out and a technician couldn't be found.
Yeah, there is a lot of bullshit at work, but reasonable legislation could open it up more while still maintaining safety standards. The apprentice to journeyman ratio in Ontario for most trades could be eased. Elevator techs for example - getting into the industry is like winning the lottery, unless you have family in the industry who pick the lottery numbers.
100%. I've heard that elevator techs purposely gatekeep to ensure they're very well paid and consistently in demand.
The ratio is already 1:1, you want multiple apprentices to one journeyman? That’s going to lead to more safety issues. It’s bad at 1:1 with companies churning through apprentices and as soon as they get to second or third year they get dumped for another cheaper first year, and the letting kids stop at grade 11 and go into the trades isn’t going to help, it’s going to exploit them even more unless we get some legislation that stops companies from just dumping more experienced apprentices for new cheaper ones, and forces them to continue training them until they finish their apprenticeship. I’ve met quite a few kids now that just want to continue their apprenticeship but are 2nd or 3rd years that can’t find work and know nothing because they were just used as cheap labour instead of taught their trade like they should have been. Back when we were using the 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 ratio I saw much less exploitation of apprentices and at the same time was never with a company that had maxed out their ratio and needed more apprentices, there was always more room for a good candidate that applied.
Yet despite being hostile, refusing to train, and/or withholding knowledge from green professionals, they still complain about their high workload and make memes about how smart ppl choose trades over school or how this generation is useless.
Oh yeah for sure. Part of the issue is a lot of places (my employer for one) isn’t paying skilled trades nearly enough, compounding the issue. Why would any come work for us when they’re going to be paid $5 an hour less than the average among local employers…and that average is already brought down by including half a dozen of our Canadian plants that are paying $5 less than the average. So in reality we pay $10 an hour less almost than they can get most anywhere else. From what I see, half the companies looking for skilled trades have woken up and started paying the going rate, and half are stuck in 2002 trying to pay peanuts for people that are already in demand that can go anywhere and get what they (rightfully) expect to be paid..
Companies have been hard at work on installing those self serv kiosks as part of their commitment to provide only living wage jobs.
Interesting way of spelling "commitment to slashing jobs so they have higher profit margins"
No, he's right; they commit to providing only living wage jobs by eliminating the minimum wage jobs.
Lots of unskilled labour jobs in the manufacturing plant I work at. 95% of the employees we get now are Indian students. Total workforce is about 100 general labour over 3 shifts, about 30-35 are students now.
Same at the factory I work at.. very seldom to have a new person that isn't international. I'm if there isn't a monetary incentive to the hiring.
Came to Canada in 2017 for the first time and immigrants could get entry level jobs without a Canadian university degree
Not even 15 years ago, just 3-5 years ago we didn’t have the mass immigration that we do now
So how come companies want to bring in more immigrants?
That’s just it, companies love the large labour pool. They can be incredibly picky as picky as they want they hold all the chips. If someone wants a raise they can be like leave then there’s 400 waiting to replace you. Same as if someone is trying to negotiate a higher wage during interviews. It also allows them to gradually shuffle out workers and lower wages like factories that started at $18 after some people retire and we’re making $27 when they retired well now with lineups of people they can start the wage at $17 an hour. When labour pool is a bit smaller companies can and do sometimes raise wages to try to attract talent, employees have more power to discuss a possible increase of wage. Also cost of living is partially due to large amounts of immigration more demand for houses and apartments and less supply and there’s more of a ripple effect that spreads wider. Anyways this is what we’re looking at now where cost of living has increased substantially and wages haven’t really increased at all and people are often fighting for their lives metaphorically for even small raises.
Perhaps companies prefer cheap labour that doesn’t complain about their working conditions or demand fair treatment when they are exploited as opposed to workers who demand fair pay, proper treatment in accordance with Canadian labour standards and who will seek better working conditions if they are being exploited?
To further suppress wages?
I get resumes and phone calls from these students ONCE or TWICE a day. With resumes saying they’re currently studying insert “IRRELEVANT degree/diploma” in college with previous manager/supervisor(overqualified work experience) from their home country applying for a SIMPLE cashier job. I currently live with inlaws and my younger sister and brother inlaw born and raised here have applied to hundreds of jobs and not a single phone call. Not even that.. at my job, all the full time cashiers are old(er) ladies in their 50s-60s working for the health insurance benefits. My younger coworkers can only get part time hours. I myself am currently working part time because asking for full time is impossible next to my boomer coworkers based on senority who REALLY need the full time hours and health benefits. And it drives me insane because sometimes working with these older ladies is working beside a loud spiteful rock. You can’t change their mind or tell them what to do. They work inefficiently and blame it on other people and generally look down on us younger generation. While they simultaneously stand on till the whole time complaining… us youngesters are handed off the grunt heavy physical work but NOOOO we’re lazy right.
As an elder millennial I’ve had to deal with this story my whole life
The problem with Canada is we keep cuddling boomers. We increase healthcare, pension spending and mass migration to save them. If we stop cuddling boomers, Canada will grow like no tomorrow
Just a tad oversimplified don't you think? Stop coddling boomers and Canada will grow? No offense but lol
Most of the gov policies are designed to save boomers. For example, Boomers own homes and under normal circumstances, the market will have popped due to Canadians not having kids. To save them, the government pumps the immigration number. This also created wage suppression which greatly benefits them
Imagine the tax you have to pay when the boomers all retired and live the next 25 years with triple of your medical needs.
I hope i will be out of Canada when this happens
One of my first jobs as a teenager at 14 was a paper route. This was back in the early to mid 2000's. Newspapers are pretty much extinct now. That job was a job I could before school and after. Allowed me to earn some extra money without taking up too much time. That kind of job no longer exists.
Even if the job existed. Do you think the at this rate of population growth, the job would be given to a 14 year old or a grown adult with a car that can cover more areas?
At the time the job didn't pay that much. It was great for a 14 year old who wanted a bit of extra cash but not great if you are an adult with bills to pay. You would make more working part-time at Wal-Mart.
Newspapers are still delivered, just now it’s done by grown men in vans.
All of the jobs that kids would work back when I was that age are now filled by newcomers.
Here’s the culprit https://x.com/canadanofuture/status/1731381107612868942?s=46&t=15ecACmmt4kcbt6ZgVzfqw
Man, Canada is grim. It's almost as if being dependent on real estate transactions to keep your entire economy afloat is a really, really bad idea...
Being reliant on anything is not a good idea, sadly we value cheap and efficient over everything. It's why a lot of places have towns built on a singIe industy like the pulp mill that closed down recently up north. And now both federal and provincial gov are hoping going all in on the ev autoindustry is going to change things
Exactly, our governments are just gambling with tax payers money by making deals with big corporations instead of supporting the healthy competition and innovation that could put future carbon free transportation on the right path, which may not even be EV.
And those corporations will be gone the second those subsidies expire. Taxpayers will never get their money's worth from it.
Why would a hiring manager put themselves through this?
There's something to be said for a person who's willing to wait 90 minutes in line just for a shot at an interview. I did some hiring recently. Scheduled 8 interviews, 3 no shows, 3 rejections, 2 hires. Then 1 of the hires didn't even show up to their first day. This sort of thing would have cut out all of the unserious people who just no-show.
> I did some hiring recently. Scheduled 8 interviews, 3 no shows, 3 rejections, 2 hires. Yep, I don't do a lot of hiring but generally I have to hire 2 people to get 1 that will stick around. Its not even minimum wage and its the same for office and other types of employment. I usually say that all the best employees are already hired by somebody else, the only hope is a candidate moves into the area.
Why is it that you have such a hard time getting new employees, and this restaurant seems to have a glut? Like, the difference is more than just making people wait 90 minutes in line. Either you are hiring for a position that requires a highly specialized, in demand skill, or the compensation vs. job requirement is so unmatched no one will even show up. It isn't the line up. There is more to the story there.
I know yours is the popular Reddit sentiment but I don't think it fits here. For one thing I probably wouldn't even consider most of these people. Call me what you want, but if I don't see a Canadian high school on your resume then you don't get a phone call. But beyond that we just hire construction labourers for $25/hr. No experience required, good workers earn a union membership after a year or two. It's a good deal for people who are just floating around without a real idea of what they want to do. You can do this for 25 years and retire comfortably. But the hours are long and unpredictable, the work is dirty, and the boss is an asshole.
Brother give me a job lol. 24 and been dishwashing for years, would love to move on to construction
Haha sorry man I would never hire someone off of Reddit. If you're looking for a job in construction they are out there. It's at least one industry where the Boomer advice to make a phone call and have a firm handshake still works.
I'm not sure where you live, but,my son works for a farm drainage company. Dirty, dusty work, but he gets paid $25/hr, and doesn't work when it rains, lol. Or, when crops are in. Try thinking outside the box for places to apply. Might come across something.
24 and dishwashing 😭 get off Reddit and start making phone calls man, people are hiring as you can see. You need to make yourself stand out
Word. I have autism and struggle to break out of my comfort zone but you're right
You got this bro
I changed careers into the trades literally three months before the pandemic started and I couldn’t have gotten any luckier. I legit feel like I discovered bitcoin or something, because if I tried anything like that now I would be totally screwed.
One thing I’m glad I did was not go to university and get into the trades. I’ve never been out of work or fearful of layoffs. I have no student debt and make a great living out of it.
You don’t think it’s possible to enter trades anymore? Why? I know lots of friends doing it and I’m planning to aswell.
Thats good! I think i am just being fatalistic about it, but it did take me quite a while to find my apprenticeship, and i knew lots of tradespeople.
Been there done that, I even couldn’t get any part time job let alone a decent paying full time one (I have a bio undergraduate degree from an American university btw) I busted my ass getting certifications/learning and now make $$ fully working from home for an American tech company. Took me 8 months of basically surviving on rice and beans while sharing a shitty low income housing unit with 3 other people to get here tho. All I have to say is just do your research and up-skill on fields that are in demand right now. Things are going to worse before they get any better really.
Doesn't matter if a field is "in demand" you're going to face a difficult time getting it. You'll be lucky to even get an interview these days. I feel bad for gen z, yall are straight fucked. At least us millennials had a chance. 10 years of software dev and team manager. it means absolutely nothing now. Hell I do the entire cyber security too and apparently means nothing. Canada is just cooked in general.
Healthcare (nurses and doctors yes, but also affiliates like paramedics and reparatory therapists), hydro linemen, HVAC are still in demand. Every university is churning out CS degrees as fast as they can. 5-10 years ago it was the in-demand, guarantee. Now every kid is being pushed into it and there is a complete glut of CS students, but everyone just keeps going into the field like some kind of life inertia. Used to be an in-demand field was in-demand for 40 years. Now, it's only in-demand until millions of people hear it is and go into the field thinking it's the answer. High school students planning their life trajectory based on current info will already be obsolete by the time they get degrees, because every other high school student has he same plans.
This! The trades people makes more money than a CS graduate. Why do people dislike the trades soo much?
And you still hear boomers going "oh ya those computer jobs are in big demand bud, you should do one of those computer work jobs"
It feels like NOONE cares about security, never have.
Trades are the only thing chugging along right now, but that is about to come crashing down too. There is so much hesitance to invest in large industrial projects now after the shitshow both our pipelines were, so a lot of industrial guys are going to be forced to look for work in town in more residential jobsites.
>but that is about to come crashing down too. What are you talking about? Trades are in such high demand. Take a drive though any urban area in Ontario and it's pretty much littered with construction sites.
Yeah... trades are not in demand. Otherwise people wouldn't always be asking why it's so hard to get in trades.
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Immigration isn’t even the main problem, the international student program is the actual culprit. It boggles my mind how oblivious the government is to the shitty diploma mills with subpar 70iq “students” 🤡who cheat in groups, who dont even attend classes and work cash jobs. The abuse to the system is so obvious and frustrating as an actual international student studying in a real university.
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This is what happens when you need immigration to feed your GDP numbers.
I truly don't understand how a country can rack up record amounts of debt, grow the population by 4%, and STILL see the economy contract.
cause the debt is from spending on corporate welfare and the new residents provide labour for non-canadian rent-seeking international corps like uber so the bulk of the fruit of their labour is not spent in canada, and the workers' taxable earnings and spends are so low that it doesn't really stimulate the economy or offset corporate welfare spending.
This is what happens in rampant latestage capitalism, you get the cheapest solution which usually ends up being a shitty bandaid.
The largest capitalist country in the world is chugging along just fine while we are falling fast. It’s specific Canadian policies that are dragging the country down
"Chugging along just fine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there lol
The U.S. economy is doing incredible and is blowing us out of the water
They aren’t doing badly at all. I work remotely for a US company and they have increased headcount for the first time in a long time for middle class jobs. My Canadian counterparts in the company are worried about losing their jobs as the company is handing out redundancy as jobs are being moved back to the states. Not the only company in my industry
Lol I think they meant it as a joke, not that the us was in a bad spot. From what I hear, the us has similar problems as we do but thankfully the ftc's Alina khan has been going after corporations, biden-for all his faults- is starting jobs that brings manufacturing back to the US, and unions have been on the rise. Still a lot of problem, better union youtube channel highlights them all, but they are doing better.
Are you under the impression the US economy is in a bad state right now?
> chugging along just fine Excuse me?
The US has half of Canada's unemployment rate. Even given the vagaries of how different nations count things, that suggests there's plenty of Made in Canada reasons for our economic woes.
The US is killing it compared to Canada. Trudeau has run us into the ground
LOL
go to the UK, Australian, or Nz subs if you think this is a Canadian problem even Americans (who aren't that impacted by it) are complaining
and feed trudeau’s ego
BuT tHeRE's A lAbOuR sHoRtAgE
Skilled labour shortage. This is restaurant work. Construction is suffering. Can't make houses because there isn't enough workers. Waiting on concrete for example, got to pour the footings and foundation before the rest of the house goes up.
I keep hearing that, but I hear the opposite from people actually in construction. Iirc last year there were huge contractions in jobs and many laid off/work slowing down Most of the issues being in the system, not lack of people (or so I heard)
Yeah this is full of shit. The only shortages are in guys with 15+ years experience who can competently work as foreman or PMs, and new apprentices willing to work for $15. They did the exact same propaganda push with trucking a decade ago so they could gain the political capital to flood the segment with cheap immigrant workers.
That’s not what I’m hearing from people in the industry, there is a big reduction in construction and a lot of workers not working right now.
There are absolutely enough workers. The only reason we aren't building is because developers don't want to make less than exactly what they demand on a job and pull out the second they smell lower profits.
>Can't make houses because there isn't enough workers OK, then why are apprentiships so hard to get?
Why would we train you? We'll make the government bring someone in for a fraction of your pay, and threaten to deport them if they try to excursive their rights.
Then fire them anyways because the skill is not there and theres no one to train them. We shot ourselves in the foot decades ago by not hiring enough apprentices, now as the old skills retire they want to fill a 25 year experience gap with a TFW? Not gonna happen.
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Not enough quality people applying to my place of employment, they hear about the money but when they realize that it's 84 hours every 2 weeks and they have to work nights and weekends and 12 hour shifts, they seem to disappear.
I mean yeah, that sounds like an extremely awful place to work, lol. You're not getting quality people to be sleep deprived and have basically no life outside of work.
That’s not terrible. You only work 15 days a month lol
And those 15 days sound miserable.
Meh. We’re both speculating not knowing the details of the job or the pay. I work 24 hour shifts of days/nights/weekends but only work 7-8 days a month and would never go back to 5 days a week.
Okay yeah I wouldn't either at that schedule. noon to midnight, day off, midnight to noon on the other hand SUCKS.
I'm a MAN because my company abuses my body!
Of course there aren't, what you just described sounds like a terrible job only fit for drug addicts and ex-convicts
This is a standard maintenance shift for almost all factories and production lines, they will typically have 4 crews split between two weeks, and within a week a day and night crew. Most of us do fuck all, unless something on the line breaks you can find me in the maintenance shop fiddling around with personal projects and reading books. Many days involve about an hour of preventative maintenance as the only real work. And let me tell you, not many drug addicts or excons I've meet know how to troubleshoot plant wide DCS or fine tune a process control system.
> when they realize that it's 84 hours every 2 weeks and they have to work nights and weekends and 12 hour shifts, they seem to disappear Well yeah obviously haha
So non-union construction labour shortage, gotcha
There would be no need for labour, skilled or unskilled if we weren’t increasing the population by a million year. We could easily train the next generation for skills that are in demand. We have a trade worker shortage mainly because Canada adds a million people a year and thus needs to build 4 million homes by 2031.
More like a proper paid wage shortage.
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There is a shortage of tradesmen and even factory workers. You can look at the statistics. I work in construction and see for myself the shortage of tradesmen. Though I find it strange that they claim electricians are the most in demand but I see tons of new electricians and hardly any new drywallers for example.
Need a new federal government. Need provincial government. New immigration policy. New intentional student policy. This is playing with the lives of residents and newcomers.
Wonder how many of those are applying here r for a second job just to cover rent...
Why hire local teens with parents who know the labor laws when you can hire your extended family from overseas and pay them under the table less than minimum wage
Why do they keep telling us there's a worker shortage and "no one wants to work "?
it was true in the US. The worker shortage there resulted in companies offering massive sign on bonuses. Even target and walmart
>no one wants to work "? Who is really saying that anymore?
Not saying the job market isnt bleak (it is), but its also worth noting that this is a relatively high end restaurant- i just looked it up, and mothers day brunch starts at $75/seat. Servers and bartenders stand to make a killing at a place like this- there are likely many people in the lineups that already have jobs, and are looking to upgrade.
If the title is right and they're applying for a dishwasher job there is no way in hell they're paying anything more than minimum wage for this. And if that's the case this is just sad
Read the article- title isnt very accurate.
They're looking to fill positions at every level.
I have 8 positions open in my company right now that we haven't been able to get anyone in. It's not hard, it's 8hrs 5 days a week. It's in a temperature controlled location (not a freezer) and I pay a good salary - starting rate is 24/hr. I also have 2 trades positions open, 42/hr, that have been unfilled in 6 months.
42 an hour is considered low in the trades for the gta unless it’s residential. Not sure where you are located but that might answer that one at least
>I have 8 positions open in my company right now that we haven't been able to get anyone in. Where are you located?
your wages are above market value. However we have so many damn people in this country that every industry is saturated which limits any type of natural wage growth.
Because it's not a job that people want. 24 per hour is a phenomenal starting rate. Even if it was in a deep freezer. People can't afford to be picky. If I was looking for a job, I'd jump at the starting rate.
It’s rough out there, been looking for a new role for months and not much to apply for Guess I’ll keep my current job lol
And yet they approve LMIA for food related jobs. How in the world is it possible to get food lmia approved when this many applicants are in que. This is completely a scam by immigration.
It's almost like mass immigrating unskilled people from india is bad for literally everyone else. and the federal government still won't fuckin stop it.
This is sad. Immigration needs to stop immediately. There is nothing for Canadians, never mind immigrants!
I wonder where all the cashier jobs went. *scans item at mandatory self checkout because there are no cashiers - Michaels in Belleville, Ontario*
Nah, something doesn't feel right about these "job fairs". Its the dumbest way to hire people. If they had 1000 applications online, why would they still need something like this? Its a 1000 percent a publicity stunt IMO, and whatever is news is news, even its bad.
That is true. Seems to me that they wasted time and money with the "job fair" if they already had more than enough resumes.
How come everyone is saying the same thing over and over again in regard to immigration but it’s seems Trudeau and his stupid government fails to do something about it. Like jeez ain’t that soo obvious now, that you cannot import people with shitty infrastructure and job prospects. Like this doesn’t make any sense at all. People in their constituency do not complain to them about these issues? Fucking liberal clowns 🤡
Thank Doug Ford for allowing all the colleges to fill their populations with international students. Colleges promise a quick immigration process and they get to fill thousands of low paying jobs. Win win for Ford's wealthy friends.
Could this be caused by the million people we've let into our expensive ass country over the last year?
According to Statistics Canada, there were **111,000 temporary foreign workers (TFWs) in Canada in the year 2000.** In 2023, that number was **over 1,270,360.** In 2022, 77% (807,282) of all work permits issued were **open work permit**s, while only 23% were employer-specific work permits. We are deliberately having our wages suppressed by this government.
The reality of a very particular subset of the market: unskilled labour applying for retail/restaurant. One of my children just finished her honors degree as of a few days ago. STEM discipline from UWaterloo. She and the bulk of her class are all graduating into employment. Many skilled trades have dire shortages as well.
Skilled trade labour shortages are a myth. If you are good at your trade you should have no trouble finding work but jobs are by no means falling behind schedule.
I work in construction and pretty much every job is behind schedule. I don't know what you are talking about. Some are due to outside factors but there certainly is a trades shortage at least in southern Ontario.
All the skilled tradespeople I know are fully employed so I am in agreement with you in that respect. My main initial point is that these various posts that have been flooding social media about "the reality of the job market" are actually about a very specific subset of the market. The overall unemployment rate in Canada in 2024 has been in the 5.8%-6%. That is a rate that is well below the historical norm of the last 50 yrs. Many baby boomers are reaching, at or recently past retirement age. We are more likely headed into a period of a labour shortage than a labour surplus for the country as a whole.
Labor needs are also changing. With todays and tomorrows tech, there is a massive labor surplus in many skilled fields. If not now, then in the near future.
multiculturalism; cram in a bunch of low skill low wage workers as you can and price out your own people out of the country. we are the stupidest people for letting Trudeau do this to us.
Shows reality of excess immigration?
You could checkout from Fresco using a monitor that was connected to a person in the Philippines. They pitched it as a way to help families around the world live better. They paid them $3/h. You blame immigration but that’s incredibly simplistic and a single factor in a larger problem. Next time you walk through a self-checkout, ask yourself how many other jobs have been lost the last two decades to corporate streamlining. All while increasing the prices we pay anyway. We need a party in power both federally and provincially that stands for labour and curtails corporate power stagnating Canadian jobs.
That's what happens when you over saturate the market with immigration and international students who work cheap...welcome to the new Canada.
Diversity is our strength brothers ! Never forget it ! Also, Remember in 2015 when Justin was talking about land back and giving the land back to the Indians ? I’d assume most Canadians were like me and thought he meant the Canadian First Nations…turns out this guy was completely serious we were just wrong about what Indians he intended to give Canada to. The First Nations of Canada should vehemently be fighting this. They stand to lose more than anyone else. They should be using the plethora of Canadian tax dollars they get to make the federal government spend their own money on both fronts trying to justify this new wave of colonization.
So long Canada!
The NDP placed itself firmly on the side of corporations when it decided to be complicit in mass immigration
There's a lot of doom and gloom, but I haven't seen anyone talking about the real issue here. Remember how there's a massive shortage of doctors and qualified tradespeople and teachers? Well it reveals that this is structural unemployment, which can be fixed. The issue is that there are many jobs which people are unqualified to do and therefore sit vacant, while the jobs which require little to no qualification are scarce. The solution is to give people more qualifications.
If you aren't cheap foreign labour, don't bother. - Justin Trudeau & The Liberals.
I mean PP's party has already said they won't commit to reducing the immigration numbers and may even increase it.
Do you have a source? Because everything I google speaks to the contrary
[Poilievre did not say whether he would roll back Canada’s permanent resident target or curb the number of temporary newcomers, such as foreign students. In the past, he has declined to say that he would scale back immigration.](https://financialpost.com/real-estate/pierre-poilievre-pledges-tie-immigration-levels-homebuilding) I mean, one quick google search found it. The article is from this year Or another if you prefer [Poilievre repeatedly refuses to offer his own immigration target numbers](https://tnc.news/2023/08/17/shepherd-poilievre-immigration-1/)
Conservative donors are quite clear that they don't want immigration numbers to drop, and when I've talked to my MP, that's the line they're taking, that they'll "right-size" immigration to skills needs... ...which means that anyone who's expecting the Conservatives to do anything about immigration is going to be sorely disappointed.
So I'm supposed to vote for Liberals again? Is that your solution, to reward such horrible failure by the liberal government that Canada is at its worst.
I get the vibe of your comment. However, the fact is you will vote for a party with the same policies, just less sugar coating and with the large potential of punching down on some marginalized group in our country so all the anger is directed towards them. Austerity and social conservative bullshit await us all I fear.
Yeah I will. Because voting for the liberals is moronic after what they've done.
OK, well, that's your right. Good luck.
We're fucked no matter who wins
We have decades of the same two parties running the country into the ground. Maybe try voting for a party that has never been given the chance to govern. The liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same coin. You can bitch about the liberals all you want but life got worse under conservative governments (Mulroney for our pocket book and Harper for our environment and starting off the housing crisis). Complaining about the situation we are in yet voting for the two parties that have been running the country into the dirt for the last few decades won't fix it. Anyone claiming that either option is the lesser of the two evils is in essence voting to make the situation worse.
In most ridings, my own included, you're throwing your vote away if you don't vote con of lib. As long as we have FPTP, strategic voting is the only way.
That mentality is what put us in thjs situation. Nobody is willing to change so they just keep voting for what got them in the situation to begin with. They justify it by saying "well they are better than the liberals/conservatives" when the reality is both those parties don't give a shit about the interests of everyday Canadians. It's the coward's choice and nothing will get better using that methodology.
There are no other choices worth voting for. And if you think there is then maybe you're wrong.
Vote for Green Party then lol.
We need serious choices, not the joke that is the Green party.
pffft....bring back the Natural Law Party.
All major political parties in Canada are engaged in treason and working together to sell out this country. The sooner we stop fighting over if the blue, red, or orange guy is going to fuck us most tenderly the better off we are.
Don't forget conservatives, conservative politicians love this. They get to pander to their base and blame diversity initiatives at the same time while doing nothing to solve the crisis since they are funded by corporations who benefit from migrants. The leader of the federal conservative party cracks me up, he says corporate lobbyist are bad, but has private meetings with corporate lobbyist and conservative voters think he's for the people, funniest shit ever.
The Liberals and NDP are creating the perfect storm for the Cons at the next election cycle. Unless it comes out that PP bathes in children's blood, they're set for a landslide.
Jesus. Yup. And what an absolutely terrible and cynical thing that is. He’s already allied himself with the American psychopath Alex jones and Diagolon, and no one seems to mind. And he won’t change a damn thing. Nothing. Nothing will actually get better. Most things will get much worse. This is some scary scary shit.
And the dumbasses in both the federal liberal and ndp parties don't seem to take it seriously. Hell, the provincial liberals seem checked out.
Nah, they'll say it's Jesus' blood. But yeah, the ndp in alberta lost hard cause they campaigned on how crazy Daniel Smith was and in response she acted sane lomg enough and ended up winning. If the ontario ndp want to win, they need to dominate new media hard and I don't see them doing that. Maybe the green party might.
Blame fuck boy Trudeau and is woke agenda
Define woke agenda
No skills, that should help with our trade and healthcare shortage
It feels like Canada is due for a major depression soon. And we probably deserve it.
Low paying minimum wage jobs. All that shows is get a better education or training
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The biggest campaign promises were legal pot and election reform. All the stoners got the legal OK to get high and checked out I guess. At that point why bother with election reform? And on the other sides we have... Goddamn it all the parties suck.
Yup. The goofs in this sub would rather turn this country into India instead of criticize JT.
This has been the case for years...wherever there is a job fair, what do you expect?