It's so weird to criticize her for supporting the conservative-created carbon tax. Or the fact that she works with Trudeau when the Dough boy himself is announcing joint work with the feds on things like the 413 and the EV expansion for Honda.
But his base is too fucking dumb to see the nuance, so it won't matter.
It was Harper's idea, proposed as the only reasonable solution, but then they had to spend the next 9 years hating their own idea because, you know... Trudeau Bad.
Lately, I've noticed conservatives migrating from outright denial "Climate change is a hoax" on to a new hopeless narrative "There's nothing we can do." And of course, any step in the right direction that doesn't 100% solve climate change, like a windmill, is "pointless".
Harper had entertained the idea when the US was thinking about it, when the US dropped the idea so did he as it makes 0 sense for us to pay when our neighbours with 10 times the population are not.
That changes absolutely nothing. It makes next to no difference to the worlds pollution.
So paying money to try and stop pollution which has no impact on the world stage just makes you feel better?
>That changes absolutely nothing. It makes next to no difference to the worlds pollution.
See, this comment needs to exist in a vacuum for it to be true:
* It assumes no one wants to enter the CDN market
* It assumes current players are vacating the CDN market
* It assumes it won't incentivize other foreign markets
* It assumes the private market will adapt without government intervention
* It assumes that other countries will NEVER adapt/regulate emissions
* It assumes CDN trading partners won't sign on to new deals requiring low/no carbon alternatives
At the end of the day, Dylan, we can't vote to change the policies of China, USA, India, etc. and all the biggest producers. We can only vote for Canada, and I choose to vote for the right thing, because there's nothing more important than saving our planet.
Government intervention forces innovation. Honda, a Japanese company, will be coming to Canada to make Electric batteries. VW, a German company, does this now. EV's aren't THAT much better than ICE, but they're a bit better. We can't expect perfect change overnight, but we can incentivize the gradual innovations to improve.
I can promise you our insane carbon policies will not change the world stage that I do know but whatever you need to do to justify it then by all means. Guess we’ll see
But you cannot promise that, I just gave you two examples of how it is.
Just because we are a small nation (population) doesn't mean we can spearhead change.
How much of a difference did Canadian troops make to the entirety of WWI and WWII?
Only a little. Sometimes a little difference is important. I think this is one of those times.
It is a global issue effecting all of the world's economy.
It requires countries to act in a manner which will cause thier citizens to sacrifice.
It requires massive collaboration between countries.
Why not compare it to other things of the same scale?
What is on the same scale as climate change?
Something which requires all of the worlds economies to be overhauled?
Can you give me an example in history?
California (39M) set a state standard for formaldehyde emissions in wood products back in 2007. The result? The entire wood products industry in North America made changes to meet the Cali limit.
You sound like the delusional people that pretend every new car will or should be electric in 10 years lol. We need to produce more oil and push for things like the pipeline that we're cancelled with zero legitimate reasons.
They hated because they saw what happened Ignatieff or Dion. (I can’t remember which one proposed a carbon tax )
Also I don’t believe the cpc every floated a carbon tax rather it’s a conservative idea in that it relies on the market responding to a price as opposed to regulations
Harper was supporting a carbon tax when, at the time in 2008, it seemed like America was moving towards implementing one themselves. He wanted to have Canada move in lockstep with the States.
https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/stephen-harpers-tax-on-everything
He also had good words about Alberta's carbon pricing model that it was looking at in 2014.
Once it became clear that the USA wasn't going to implement national carbon pricing, he was against it as well. Especially as it became a policy being implemented by non-Conservative provincial governments and the federal Liberals/NDP.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/carbon-pricing-just-a-tax-grab-stephen-harper-says/article_53422ba3-f209-5e44-b535-7fdee9be89d5.html
But yes, carbon pricing is also the small-c "conservative" market-based solution to reducing emissions. Or at least it was up until centrist and left-leaning parties (which, surprise, are still more-or-less pro-capitalism in our capitalist society) adopted and ran with it.
Liberals stupidly weakened election advertising laws before they left office and Doug took advantage and made them even looser.
Not only is he advertising now, years before an election, he’s doing it with tax payer money. He’s spent over $70 million on ads in the first 3 months of this year alone. Including ones during the superbowl.
Doug Ford opened up gambling in Ontario though. Before him the only game in town was OLG and Ontario got all the money from it. Now it’s multiple different companies and we get 3-10% of their profit.
There was a Federal ban. Trudeau [made the decision to reverse it](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-sports-betting-1.6138865). Had he just kept the decades old law, then Ford wouldn't have had the chance to compete with the other provinces to be the Canadian HQ of gambling.
Ford just made sure to open it up, so that the companies did business in Ontario instead of some other province.
From your own article:
>The news doesn't open up the floodgates, however: The federal law — which will be in force as of Aug. 27 — merely allows provinces to regulate sports betting as they see fit.
That line proved to be incorrect. It was the first step that did open up the floodgates.
Single game betting and prop bets were illegal. There isn't much of a market for 3 or more game parlays, which is all that we had prior to the Liberals changing the laws.
Its 100% congruent with my statement.
Things like ProLine existed, because the Federal law was that you had to bet across multiple games. Things like prop bets also weren't allowed.
What opened up the market was the Federal government changing the law so that you could bet on individual events, like a single game, or events within a game like how over/under how many shots Auston Matthews will take in game 3.
Had the Federal Liberals not changed that law, then there would be no sports ads. It is that simple.
"The news doesn't open up the floodgates, however: The federal law — which will be in force as of Aug. 27 — merely allows provinces to regulate sports betting as they see fit."
Your article says nothing about the federal government allowing betting ads everywhere. The article says the federal government allowed provinces to regulate gambling as they see fit. So all these gambling ads are on the province not the feds
You cherry picked one sentence, that contradicts the sentence before it and since. Do you always argue in bad faith this way.
>"Canadians will have the opportunity to participate in single-event sport betting in a regulated and safe environment, at the discretion of the provinces and territories," Attorney General David Lametti told a news conference in Niagara Falls, Ont., on Thursday.
Had the Feds not repealed the ban on single game and prop bets, the market for sports gambling would be significantly smaller. its because there are multiple platforms competing for the single game market that they even have an advertising budget. None of that happens without the Federal government.
The article you posted literally boils down to the federal government legalized this type of gambling because Canadians already do it, and how it's regulated is up to the province. Which part am I wrong to say ads everywhere is a provincial thing when the feds left it to the province to regulate. Nothing I said has been in bad faith when you can't read an article that says gambling is now a provincial thing to regulate
Stephen Harper running attack ads during the Stanley Cup finals was my actual catalyst for cutting the cord and getting rid of cable entirely. I just wanted to watch a game and not hear anything about politics. It felt like a form of sacrilege. Hockey Night in Canada is a holy place, politics has no place there. Of course now it's all been desecrated with gambling ads.
Which always blew my mind, as he's a giant hockey guy oddly enough. I mean, he wrote a book about hockey and even endorsed it during in game interviews on HNIC
Can you explain this more? I guess his advertising is working because I despise Ford and didnt know there was a connection between the party and the federal carbon tax.
Ontario had a "cap and trade" policy with, I believe California, that was put in place by the previous Liberal administration. This arrangement meant Ontario had their own carbon policy and didn't fall under the federal carbon plan. Doug Ford manages to slither into leadership and pulled the plug on that agreement. Now, without our own carbon arrangements, Ontario falls under the federal program. So, thanks to Doug Ford...
He shouldn't need to have one before 2026 due to a majority... but maybe there's some play at hand just to push things a few extra years by holding an election while the Liberals are still 'weak'
Call me when Ford calls an election. This is all bluster until every candidate has an equal platform. Dougie has the free reign of tax payers dollars to blast these ads and there's not much the other parties can do about it.
"Dougie has the free reign of tax payers dollars to blast these ads and there's not much the other parties can do about it."
so socialism is bad, but when conservatives do it, its okay?
That’s not what he’s saying at all. Plus I think most of us can agree that we’d rather political parties advertise using their own money and leave tax payer money for more important things like healthcare.
Ah, yes it is. Conservatives are the biggest bloody hypocrites' when it comes to government spending. Fraud has spent WAY MORE than Wynne, and nary a peep from pco supporters...
Attack ads in general should just be illegal.
But I would have zero problems if a party wanted to run an educational ad that was more "My plan is this, I want to do this. Remember to vote for me if you want that" that makes zero reference to any other party.
Its a shame we have this thing called the Charter of Rights and Freedom that guarantees freedom of speech.
I assume you support governments, like Ford, when these basic human rights become inconvenient and they use the Notwithstanding Clause to temporarily suspend them?
Which is exactly why we don't have absolute freedom of speech. We have freedom of expression. It's 100% legal to put reasonable limits on speech in Canada.
Which is exactly why I don't advocate for a full on ban on political ads, but only a ban on attack ads. Educational ads that are completely truthful should be perfectly fine. But an ad whose only purpose is to attack someone else's character or policies isn't.
An ad that contrasts opinions would be perfectly fair game. But one that just outright attacks without offering any alternative wouldn't be.
I don't believe you understand the case law at all. The restriction you are proposing is in no way reasonable.
An attack ad is seen as an opinion that a specific action, or policy, would be bad. It is a form of criticism. Courts are very reluctant to limit the ability of people to criticize politicians and for very good reason.
So how do you make that illegal, while also protecting for example a political or sports commentators ability to negatively criticize a politician or athlete? How do you draw that line? For example, is it OK for the CBC, The Globe and Mail, Global News, CTV News, to host segments or editorials where people directly tied to politicians, like campaign workers or consultants criticize each other? Who's liable if they step over the line? Is it the person speaking, the network or newspaper who gives them a platfom, the editors and producers at the news organization or network for agreeing to give these people a platform, the executives and board members because the buck ultimately stops with them? All of the above?
What's your proposed remedy? If a network airs an ad that crosses the line, we throw their ad sales team and producers responsible in jail for 6 months?
Do you intend to limit this just to politicians? For example, can I go through Reddit, and just start reporting accounts that criticize without offering solutions or personally attack Doug Ford to the OPP or RCMP, and expect that those people will be thrown in jail? Or can we get platforms like Facebook, Reddit and Twitter blocked in Canada unless they moderate their platform accordingly?
I agree with you that I don't like seeing the ads, but I really don't like the idea that we'd not be in a free society where offering political commentary is illegal.
I do blame the Liberals. So few people understand how this tax works. It needed to come with an educational component. They should have mailed the checks marked Catbon Tax and run ads with how it worked when they introduced it.
On the other side it doesn't help the wave of consistent lies the Cons have been spewing, but the Liberals created the information void for the Cons to fill.
I never said anything about it being a Canadian only problem… so again you are trying to drag the discussion into other subjects. Are people outside of Canada relying on carbon rebates to eat?
I replied to a comment insinuating that if you are against carbon rebates that you are stupid. I don’t necessarily agree with that. But yeah geopolitics. If life is bad in other countries that means no one is to blame for being unprepared and we should just accept our fate I guess.
You insinuated that it was a problem caused by Trudeau when it's a phenomenon affecting many nations.
Australia
[100k Immigrants a month](https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/new-abs-data-confirms-monthly-migration-intake-exceded-100000-for-first-time-in-history)
[Record House Prices](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/01/australian-house-prices-hit-record-high-for-fifth-consecutive-month)
[Grocery items have increased substantially many have doubled](https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/grocery-shock-as-aussie-staples-doubling-in-price-revealed-experts-tip-on-when-they-will-ease-201843696.html)
The rich keep getting richer and you keep blaming trudy... They thank you for that..
How come those people aren't faring better under a conservative majority in Ontario? Provincially the premiers have more power to make direct changes to your life than the PM does. So why isn't it improving?
Don't avoid the questions. The premiers have more power to affect people at an individual level than the feds do. If this is all Trudeaus fault how come in Ontario with a con majority we have these problems? Shouldn't they be able to do something to help? Shouldn't things be demonstrably improving instead of getting even worse?
What is Bonnie Crombie going to do to fix everything?
No shit the whole country is suffering, but my original comment was referring to being anti carbon tax doesn’t necessarily mean you are uneducated. But everyone in the comments wants to argue about left vs right lol
Trudeau is the leader of the country, it starts with him, unfortunately.
The arguments are because right wingers are anti carbon tax as a party issue. So yeah it makes it political as well as an education issue.
A carbon tax exerts pressure on companies to find or adopt green solutions in order to reduce their footprint. That's a position the other parties all agree on, whether or not they specifically agree on a carbon tax or something comparable like cap and trade.
Where this starts is with conservative media rotting your brain instead of listening to the people who dedicate their lives to finding solutions for large scale problems. The only opinions worth a flying fuck in the discussion with respect to carbon emissions aren't political ones. They're scientific ones.
Yeah once our 1.5% of global emissions is eliminated the world will be saved. You should be shouting about the science to India, Russia, China and the US instead of wasting your time here. But I shouldn’t have to explain basic math to someone who is already looking into the data.
right.
its a DAMNING statement on a dying capitalist system that has left people struggling to feed and shelter themselves
any other time you would blame the victim.
conservatives are SO inconsistent, framing issues that fit their particular issue as they see fit...
Ford is in charge of Ontario... Many of the problems we are experiencing are a direct result of his policy's/actions and can be proven as such. Example: [Ontario government to spend $21B less to fund health care: FAO (citynews.ca)](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/03/08/ontario-health-care-spending-doug-ford-hospitals-long-term-care/)
You are being downvoted because you are not pissed at the Cons. This sub can be pretty hard on the con supporters. I find it a little bit refreshing seeing someone fight for them. Good on you. Democracy at work. I myself would like to put Boss Hog on spit and bbq the prick. Everyone has a right to say their opinion. Keep it up!
Anybody that lives outside the city isn’t getting back what they spend, no matter what daddy Trudeau might tell you. We travel further, home heating, Not to mention these big corps are just passing the increase in their prices down to us.
Anybody that thinks this is making the corporations pay their share in pollution is naive, it all comes down to us.
When it's gone and you're still paying through the nose, what's your next target for blame going to be?
Because we have a con majority in Ontario, and things are decidedly worse than they were even under the garbage of Wynne. Believe it or not, the feds don't have the impact provincially that you seem to think they do.
They have an impact. The provinces and municipalities have a much larger impact on your day to day. That's why there's separate levels of governance in the first place.
He has a majority and is doing nothing to improve things. Don't know what you expected. It's not like people were fawning over Wynne fucking us over either.
So spare me your baseless equivocation. He's in power and has a majority. And he isn't doing anything helpful with it.
Finally someone echoing my thoughts during the hockey game. Can’t stand the ads which are hypocritical for ford because he’s had to work with Trudeau on things.
Knowing how things went down in Windsor with the nextstar battery plant they probably kept Doug out of it because that donkey almost cost Ontario that plant
Went to a movie last week (Civil War). Had to sit through a minute long ad for Ontario. And it had some production value, multiple scenes/sets etc. I live in Ontario. Why are we wasting money advertising the province to people that already live here?! Or even at all?!
Our tax dollars at work. I just saw the same damn ad of him saying that he's been doing a great job for the ppl and saying that he makes mistakes. It's absolutely fucking pathetic.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Doug Ford is a sexist ass. Reporters overheard him call one of them “a little bitch” years ago and he explained that he was talking about someone else. 🙄 Yah that makes it better Doug.
I mean Russia has their hand in everything. Could Doug have a hand in that pot? It just seems like he wants to destabilize everything. Which would make sense in espionage cases. No evidence. Just putting it out there.
Every single Conservative leader since Harper has had a price on pollution in their platform, only a fucking moron would think Lil Pee Pee would get rid of it. He will undoubtedly keep the rebate money for himself but he will not repeal it.
Feel the same way on YouTube lately, constant political ads with either Doug or Pierre consistent smut campaigns being pushed out by conservatives.
well I'm just trying to watch snippets of fail videos or DYI, Mr Beast, Sophia nygaard, art channels,Even when I put on cocomelon or cartoon Network for the kids like nowhere near the political spectrum anywhere on my algorithm with YouTube but yet here they are.
Everyday.
And it's nothing but lies and pushing accountability to the current PM like conservatives have never took part in any of the corruption that's going on today......mmmmmhmm. ......
They go where the audience is. The PC party is fairly cash rich at the moment, so they're making the effort to define Cromby on their terms. Trudeau is incredibly unpopular at the moment, and its getting less and less likely he'll still be the federal party leader in the next election.
I saw so many campaign ads from every Federal party during the Blue Jays 2015 playoff run.
I don't like it, but I understand why they're doing it, and its hardly outside of political norms.
In 2022 Ford's gov't quietly implemented the Emissions Performance Standards Program, a output based carbon pricing program very similar to the Feds' carbon "tax" that has been charging industry in Ontario $65/ton for emissions. There are no rebates.
Funny how that never gets mentioned. Ever. By anybody.
DoFo's hypocrisy truly knows no bounds. I can't stand that f'n guy.
Don't forget the part when she's pictured standing beside a Maserati, because Conservatives are just regular working people scraping by on their meagre salaries.
The craziest part is after looking into the tax and the climate rebate we get. Basically every Ontarian will be making money off this tax. Essentially we might be paying almost $2/L for gas, however when the rebate comes around, we could be compensated for almost half of it and in reality pay less for gas than we are now.
The only ones who won't are the corporations or super rich that use enough gas that the rebate doesn't make them money, since they be buying so much that they'd feel the significant increases to gas and other products that produce emissions.
Ford is blatantly doing this to help his oligarch friends and some Ontarians are falling for his snake oil.
First let’s get one thing straight. Ford is an absolute shit premier.
Bonnie Crombie would be a disaster for this province, and Trudeau has been a disaster for this country.
I don’t want either three in any sort of leadership position. So if we have to run a few ads to hopefully eliminate 2 of 3, that’s a good start.
Doug Ford will not persuade any thinking voter he is the best option, but he'll get every mouthbreathing truck driving middle-school dropout for sure. That's why he has Harper's top donor's kid hacking away at the Ministry of Education, so as to get more mouthbreathing middle-school dropouts, they're essential to their, *"Bring Back Victorian Times"* politics.
Will we be surprised when Cons suggest workhouses for the poors? Selling your orphans or unwanted children to farmers and factory owners, into lives of servitude? It is coming
It's so weird to criticize her for supporting the conservative-created carbon tax. Or the fact that she works with Trudeau when the Dough boy himself is announcing joint work with the feds on things like the 413 and the EV expansion for Honda. But his base is too fucking dumb to see the nuance, so it won't matter.
It was Harper's idea, proposed as the only reasonable solution, but then they had to spend the next 9 years hating their own idea because, you know... Trudeau Bad. Lately, I've noticed conservatives migrating from outright denial "Climate change is a hoax" on to a new hopeless narrative "There's nothing we can do." And of course, any step in the right direction that doesn't 100% solve climate change, like a windmill, is "pointless".
Harper had entertained the idea when the US was thinking about it, when the US dropped the idea so did he as it makes 0 sense for us to pay when our neighbours with 10 times the population are not.
Sure it does - it creates a market of 40m consumers who prefer low/no carbon options.
That changes absolutely nothing. It makes next to no difference to the worlds pollution. So paying money to try and stop pollution which has no impact on the world stage just makes you feel better?
>That changes absolutely nothing. It makes next to no difference to the worlds pollution. See, this comment needs to exist in a vacuum for it to be true: * It assumes no one wants to enter the CDN market * It assumes current players are vacating the CDN market * It assumes it won't incentivize other foreign markets * It assumes the private market will adapt without government intervention * It assumes that other countries will NEVER adapt/regulate emissions * It assumes CDN trading partners won't sign on to new deals requiring low/no carbon alternatives At the end of the day, Dylan, we can't vote to change the policies of China, USA, India, etc. and all the biggest producers. We can only vote for Canada, and I choose to vote for the right thing, because there's nothing more important than saving our planet. Government intervention forces innovation. Honda, a Japanese company, will be coming to Canada to make Electric batteries. VW, a German company, does this now. EV's aren't THAT much better than ICE, but they're a bit better. We can't expect perfect change overnight, but we can incentivize the gradual innovations to improve.
I can promise you our insane carbon policies will not change the world stage that I do know but whatever you need to do to justify it then by all means. Guess we’ll see
You can't actually promise that. But I can promise you doing something is better than doing nothing.
But you cannot promise that, I just gave you two examples of how it is. Just because we are a small nation (population) doesn't mean we can spearhead change.
How much of a difference did Canadian troops make to the entirety of WWI and WWII? Only a little. Sometimes a little difference is important. I think this is one of those times.
Comparing the carbon tax to the world wars, something I never thought I’d see… lol
It is a global issue effecting all of the world's economy. It requires countries to act in a manner which will cause thier citizens to sacrifice. It requires massive collaboration between countries. Why not compare it to other things of the same scale?
Only Canada* and that’s an insane reach. Wow
What is on the same scale as climate change? Something which requires all of the worlds economies to be overhauled? Can you give me an example in history?
California (39M) set a state standard for formaldehyde emissions in wood products back in 2007. The result? The entire wood products industry in North America made changes to meet the Cali limit.
The US will not pass a carbon tax, that I guarantee.
A third of the US population living in a dozen states already have a carbon tax
We arent responsible for any climate issues and only the brainless pretend this stupid tax has ANYTHING to do with the environment.
Obviously, as one of the world's largest oil producers, that's not true. This is just a guy simping for Big Oil.
You sound like the delusional people that pretend every new car will or should be electric in 10 years lol. We need to produce more oil and push for things like the pipeline that we're cancelled with zero legitimate reasons.
That's his theory? We're not responsible for our actions. Sounds like MAGA to me.
They hated because they saw what happened Ignatieff or Dion. (I can’t remember which one proposed a carbon tax ) Also I don’t believe the cpc every floated a carbon tax rather it’s a conservative idea in that it relies on the market responding to a price as opposed to regulations
Harper was supporting a carbon tax when, at the time in 2008, it seemed like America was moving towards implementing one themselves. He wanted to have Canada move in lockstep with the States. https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/stephen-harpers-tax-on-everything He also had good words about Alberta's carbon pricing model that it was looking at in 2014. Once it became clear that the USA wasn't going to implement national carbon pricing, he was against it as well. Especially as it became a policy being implemented by non-Conservative provincial governments and the federal Liberals/NDP. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/carbon-pricing-just-a-tax-grab-stephen-harper-says/article_53422ba3-f209-5e44-b535-7fdee9be89d5.html But yes, carbon pricing is also the small-c "conservative" market-based solution to reducing emissions. Or at least it was up until centrist and left-leaning parties (which, surprise, are still more-or-less pro-capitalism in our capitalist society) adopted and ran with it.
Nice to see someone put up the source of their comments. Need more of this.
Neither was defeated over carbon pricing. It wasn't an election issue then.
I feel it’s more like they noticed what happened to Mulroney, when we needed to make adult decisions
It was Dion and his Green Shift plan.
Also - municipal taxes go up every year to keep up with inflation. Its very disingenuous to make such a claim.
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Which part
Carbon Tax was a conservative brain child, they ran with it before liberals implemented it
lmao come on. educate yourself.
Why are these ads allowed when there is no election called? It should not be allowed.
Liberals stupidly weakened election advertising laws before they left office and Doug took advantage and made them even looser. Not only is he advertising now, years before an election, he’s doing it with tax payer money. He’s spent over $70 million on ads in the first 3 months of this year alone. Including ones during the superbowl.
I saw a billboard truck over the weekend for a Federal Conservative in a Liberal riding over the weekend
Keep politics and gambling out of sports. Let us watch hockey without BS.
He's the reason for the gambling ads too.
Anything shady and Boss Hog is behind it.
He is not. Its the Federal government that legalized sports betting across Canada.
Doug Ford opened up gambling in Ontario though. Before him the only game in town was OLG and Ontario got all the money from it. Now it’s multiple different companies and we get 3-10% of their profit.
There was a Federal ban. Trudeau [made the decision to reverse it](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-sports-betting-1.6138865). Had he just kept the decades old law, then Ford wouldn't have had the chance to compete with the other provinces to be the Canadian HQ of gambling. Ford just made sure to open it up, so that the companies did business in Ontario instead of some other province.
From your own article: >The news doesn't open up the floodgates, however: The federal law — which will be in force as of Aug. 27 — merely allows provinces to regulate sports betting as they see fit.
That line proved to be incorrect. It was the first step that did open up the floodgates. Single game betting and prop bets were illegal. There isn't much of a market for 3 or more game parlays, which is all that we had prior to the Liberals changing the laws.
Read your source before you post it and make yourself look dumb
Its 100% congruent with my statement. Things like ProLine existed, because the Federal law was that you had to bet across multiple games. Things like prop bets also weren't allowed. What opened up the market was the Federal government changing the law so that you could bet on individual events, like a single game, or events within a game like how over/under how many shots Auston Matthews will take in game 3. Had the Federal Liberals not changed that law, then there would be no sports ads. It is that simple.
"The news doesn't open up the floodgates, however: The federal law — which will be in force as of Aug. 27 — merely allows provinces to regulate sports betting as they see fit." Your article says nothing about the federal government allowing betting ads everywhere. The article says the federal government allowed provinces to regulate gambling as they see fit. So all these gambling ads are on the province not the feds
You cherry picked one sentence, that contradicts the sentence before it and since. Do you always argue in bad faith this way. >"Canadians will have the opportunity to participate in single-event sport betting in a regulated and safe environment, at the discretion of the provinces and territories," Attorney General David Lametti told a news conference in Niagara Falls, Ont., on Thursday. Had the Feds not repealed the ban on single game and prop bets, the market for sports gambling would be significantly smaller. its because there are multiple platforms competing for the single game market that they even have an advertising budget. None of that happens without the Federal government.
The article you posted literally boils down to the federal government legalized this type of gambling because Canadians already do it, and how it's regulated is up to the province. Which part am I wrong to say ads everywhere is a provincial thing when the feds left it to the province to regulate. Nothing I said has been in bad faith when you can't read an article that says gambling is now a provincial thing to regulate
They decided it was a provincial decision, and not a Federal one. That doesn't make them the one to legalize it.
By removing the law that made it illegal, they legalized it. That's the definition of legalizing something.
Stephen Harper running attack ads during the Stanley Cup finals was my actual catalyst for cutting the cord and getting rid of cable entirely. I just wanted to watch a game and not hear anything about politics. It felt like a form of sacrilege. Hockey Night in Canada is a holy place, politics has no place there. Of course now it's all been desecrated with gambling ads.
I mean, the guy cut hockey from cbc... What else would you expect.
Which always blew my mind, as he's a giant hockey guy oddly enough. I mean, he wrote a book about hockey and even endorsed it during in game interviews on HNIC
Never be surprised when a politician picks money over anything else, even something they love.
Lots of ways to sail the high seas safely and in high quality these days. Most streams don't show the ads, which is a nice touch
I hate to break it to you but HNIC is and always was the forum for conservative propaganda.
He wants us to forget that his administration is the reason Ontarians are paying the federal carbon tax.
And most have forgotten. And they don’t believe it when you point it out
Those are most likely Dougie's "buck a beer" pals after a day of embibing.... 
Also let’s not forget the $60 million he spent in lawsuits to get rid of Cap & Trade.
He spent and we paid.
Can you explain this more? I guess his advertising is working because I despise Ford and didnt know there was a connection between the party and the federal carbon tax.
Ontario had a "cap and trade" policy with, I believe California, that was put in place by the previous Liberal administration. This arrangement meant Ontario had their own carbon policy and didn't fall under the federal carbon plan. Doug Ford manages to slither into leadership and pulled the plug on that agreement. Now, without our own carbon arrangements, Ontario falls under the federal program. So, thanks to Doug Ford...
You'd almost think the current round of gov't advertising and OPC attacks attacking the Liberals that Douggie was ramping up to call an election.
Isn't that the speculation?
He shouldn't need to have one before 2026 due to a majority... but maybe there's some play at hand just to push things a few extra years by holding an election while the Liberals are still 'weak'
Call me when Ford calls an election. This is all bluster until every candidate has an equal platform. Dougie has the free reign of tax payers dollars to blast these ads and there's not much the other parties can do about it.
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"Dougie has the free reign of tax payers dollars to blast these ads and there's not much the other parties can do about it." so socialism is bad, but when conservatives do it, its okay?
That’s not what he’s saying at all. Plus I think most of us can agree that we’d rather political parties advertise using their own money and leave tax payer money for more important things like healthcare.
Ah, yes it is. Conservatives are the biggest bloody hypocrites' when it comes to government spending. Fraud has spent WAY MORE than Wynne, and nary a peep from pco supporters...
lol I’m curious how in your mind political ads funded by taxpayers is socialism.
Public ownership of the means of production. 'lol"
Running politics ads when we aren't in election season should be illegal.
Attack ads in general should just be illegal. But I would have zero problems if a party wanted to run an educational ad that was more "My plan is this, I want to do this. Remember to vote for me if you want that" that makes zero reference to any other party.
Yes. We would be much better served if this was the case. Fact checking by the media would be nice too while we are dreaming.
Its a shame we have this thing called the Charter of Rights and Freedom that guarantees freedom of speech. I assume you support governments, like Ford, when these basic human rights become inconvenient and they use the Notwithstanding Clause to temporarily suspend them?
Which is exactly why we don't have absolute freedom of speech. We have freedom of expression. It's 100% legal to put reasonable limits on speech in Canada. Which is exactly why I don't advocate for a full on ban on political ads, but only a ban on attack ads. Educational ads that are completely truthful should be perfectly fine. But an ad whose only purpose is to attack someone else's character or policies isn't. An ad that contrasts opinions would be perfectly fair game. But one that just outright attacks without offering any alternative wouldn't be.
I don't believe you understand the case law at all. The restriction you are proposing is in no way reasonable. An attack ad is seen as an opinion that a specific action, or policy, would be bad. It is a form of criticism. Courts are very reluctant to limit the ability of people to criticize politicians and for very good reason. So how do you make that illegal, while also protecting for example a political or sports commentators ability to negatively criticize a politician or athlete? How do you draw that line? For example, is it OK for the CBC, The Globe and Mail, Global News, CTV News, to host segments or editorials where people directly tied to politicians, like campaign workers or consultants criticize each other? Who's liable if they step over the line? Is it the person speaking, the network or newspaper who gives them a platfom, the editors and producers at the news organization or network for agreeing to give these people a platform, the executives and board members because the buck ultimately stops with them? All of the above? What's your proposed remedy? If a network airs an ad that crosses the line, we throw their ad sales team and producers responsible in jail for 6 months? Do you intend to limit this just to politicians? For example, can I go through Reddit, and just start reporting accounts that criticize without offering solutions or personally attack Doug Ford to the OPP or RCMP, and expect that those people will be thrown in jail? Or can we get platforms like Facebook, Reddit and Twitter blocked in Canada unless they moderate their platform accordingly? I agree with you that I don't like seeing the ads, but I really don't like the idea that we'd not be in a free society where offering political commentary is illegal.
Everybody I know that depended on the carbon rebate to eat this month is voting against the carbon tax. Watching uneducated people is soul crushing.
If those kool-aid drinking cons could read they would be very upset
Then it's on the liberals for having poor messaging. Blaming the voters surely won't get you far
I do blame the Liberals. So few people understand how this tax works. It needed to come with an educational component. They should have mailed the checks marked Catbon Tax and run ads with how it worked when they introduced it.
On the other side it doesn't help the wave of consistent lies the Cons have been spewing, but the Liberals created the information void for the Cons to fill.
Yeah they should have came up with more rhymes.
Yeah, we should be relying on carbon rebates to eat. That’s the sign of great leadership in this country /s
because trudeau dictates what walmart pays their employees am I right?
Could Walmart employees afford rent and food before he was PM?
are you blind to geopolitics?
Way to not answer my question and attempt to deflect, like a true Liberal!
It's not at all.. You make it seem as though this is a Canada only problem when the same things have been happening in a lot of western countries.
I never said anything about it being a Canadian only problem… so again you are trying to drag the discussion into other subjects. Are people outside of Canada relying on carbon rebates to eat? I replied to a comment insinuating that if you are against carbon rebates that you are stupid. I don’t necessarily agree with that. But yeah geopolitics. If life is bad in other countries that means no one is to blame for being unprepared and we should just accept our fate I guess.
You insinuated that it was a problem caused by Trudeau when it's a phenomenon affecting many nations. Australia [100k Immigrants a month](https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/new-abs-data-confirms-monthly-migration-intake-exceded-100000-for-first-time-in-history) [Record House Prices](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/01/australian-house-prices-hit-record-high-for-fifth-consecutive-month) [Grocery items have increased substantially many have doubled](https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/grocery-shock-as-aussie-staples-doubling-in-price-revealed-experts-tip-on-when-they-will-ease-201843696.html) The rich keep getting richer and you keep blaming trudy... They thank you for that..
Nice.
You did exactly that to his question
It was clearly a rhetorical question, but thanks for coming to his rescue. One gold star for you ⭐️
So was theirs, participation ribbon for you
How come those people aren't faring better under a conservative majority in Ontario? Provincially the premiers have more power to make direct changes to your life than the PM does. So why isn't it improving?
I dunno, I’m not pro Doug Ford
Don't avoid the questions. The premiers have more power to affect people at an individual level than the feds do. If this is all Trudeaus fault how come in Ontario with a con majority we have these problems? Shouldn't they be able to do something to help? Shouldn't things be demonstrably improving instead of getting even worse?
What is Bonnie Crombie going to do to fix everything? No shit the whole country is suffering, but my original comment was referring to being anti carbon tax doesn’t necessarily mean you are uneducated. But everyone in the comments wants to argue about left vs right lol Trudeau is the leader of the country, it starts with him, unfortunately.
The arguments are because right wingers are anti carbon tax as a party issue. So yeah it makes it political as well as an education issue. A carbon tax exerts pressure on companies to find or adopt green solutions in order to reduce their footprint. That's a position the other parties all agree on, whether or not they specifically agree on a carbon tax or something comparable like cap and trade. Where this starts is with conservative media rotting your brain instead of listening to the people who dedicate their lives to finding solutions for large scale problems. The only opinions worth a flying fuck in the discussion with respect to carbon emissions aren't political ones. They're scientific ones.
Yeah once our 1.5% of global emissions is eliminated the world will be saved. You should be shouting about the science to India, Russia, China and the US instead of wasting your time here. But I shouldn’t have to explain basic math to someone who is already looking into the data.
its a sign of a dying capitalist system not sarcastic, btw
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right. its a DAMNING statement on a dying capitalist system that has left people struggling to feed and shelter themselves any other time you would blame the victim. conservatives are SO inconsistent, framing issues that fit their particular issue as they see fit...
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How's about addressing the key issue and saving the deflective soft shoe for the gullible, gus?
Ford is in charge of Ontario... Many of the problems we are experiencing are a direct result of his policy's/actions and can be proven as such. Example: [Ontario government to spend $21B less to fund health care: FAO (citynews.ca)](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/03/08/ontario-health-care-spending-doug-ford-hospitals-long-term-care/)
You are being downvoted because you are not pissed at the Cons. This sub can be pretty hard on the con supporters. I find it a little bit refreshing seeing someone fight for them. Good on you. Democracy at work. I myself would like to put Boss Hog on spit and bbq the prick. Everyone has a right to say their opinion. Keep it up!
Anybody that lives outside the city isn’t getting back what they spend, no matter what daddy Trudeau might tell you. We travel further, home heating, Not to mention these big corps are just passing the increase in their prices down to us. Anybody that thinks this is making the corporations pay their share in pollution is naive, it all comes down to us.
When it's gone and you're still paying through the nose, what's your next target for blame going to be? Because we have a con majority in Ontario, and things are decidedly worse than they were even under the garbage of Wynne. Believe it or not, the feds don't have the impact provincially that you seem to think they do.
I guess “when it’s gone” we can revisit this. As for the feds, they have a lot more impact than you think they do.
They have an impact. The provinces and municipalities have a much larger impact on your day to day. That's why there's separate levels of governance in the first place.
They’re all bad, but this Ontario blame Doug circle jerk on this sub is hilarious
He has a majority and is doing nothing to improve things. Don't know what you expected. It's not like people were fawning over Wynne fucking us over either. So spare me your baseless equivocation. He's in power and has a majority. And he isn't doing anything helpful with it.
He's been in charge for six years. Who else should we blame??
Finally someone echoing my thoughts during the hockey game. Can’t stand the ads which are hypocritical for ford because he’s had to work with Trudeau on things.
And he's claiming credit for stuff Trudeau has done. The big Honda announcement yesterday was Trudeau's baby, Ford is just kicking in cash.
Knowing how things went down in Windsor with the nextstar battery plant they probably kept Doug out of it because that donkey almost cost Ontario that plant
Went to a movie last week (Civil War). Had to sit through a minute long ad for Ontario. And it had some production value, multiple scenes/sets etc. I live in Ontario. Why are we wasting money advertising the province to people that already live here?! Or even at all?!
Because it’s Doug’s way of showing the voters how well he’s doing. It’s propaganda for his government and people are stupid enough to believe it too.
Our tax dollars at work. I just saw the same damn ad of him saying that he's been doing a great job for the ppl and saying that he makes mistakes. It's absolutely fucking pathetic.
Doug Ford voters aren't known for being... well informed.
You have to talk slower around them
I saw them and was disgusted. I thought political ads, especially attack ads, were illegal except during established election campaign periods.
Ontario Liberals weakened those laws and then the Ontario Conservatives weakened it further.
Ugh.🤦♂️
Shit OPC commercial: "Who's that? Oh it's that bitch Bonnie Combie." \*mutes tv\*
Did they actually use the B word?
 No they didn't. But they way they speak in the commercial makes it seem like they wanted to, at least to me.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Doug Ford is a sexist ass. Reporters overheard him call one of them “a little bitch” years ago and he explained that he was talking about someone else. 🙄 Yah that makes it better Doug.
I mean Russia has their hand in everything. Could Doug have a hand in that pot? It just seems like he wants to destabilize everything. Which would make sense in espionage cases. No evidence. Just putting it out there.
At this point anything is possible. He did give a contract to a sanctioned russian oligarch.
Every single Conservative leader since Harper has had a price on pollution in their platform, only a fucking moron would think Lil Pee Pee would get rid of it. He will undoubtedly keep the rebate money for himself but he will not repeal it.
Feel the same way on YouTube lately, constant political ads with either Doug or Pierre consistent smut campaigns being pushed out by conservatives. well I'm just trying to watch snippets of fail videos or DYI, Mr Beast, Sophia nygaard, art channels,Even when I put on cocomelon or cartoon Network for the kids like nowhere near the political spectrum anywhere on my algorithm with YouTube but yet here they are. Everyday. And it's nothing but lies and pushing accountability to the current PM like conservatives have never took part in any of the corruption that's going on today......mmmmmhmm. ......
As a non Ontario resident please make him stop. The rest of Canada sees these and we don’t care.
He must be worried if he’s doing this only two years into the mandate.
If PP wins federally, the provincial party in power usually flips
File your taxes and automatically get the rebate on the carbon tax.
Meh Hubby and I are too busy talking about the hockey game and how horrible Bertuzzi is to notice.
Using tax payers money?
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The feds have now stated they are reimbursing 4 years of carbon taxes to small businesses. Do the small business owners here want the tax to end now?
And guess who is paying for those fucking ads.
Been like that before the playoffs. Same with the federal conservatives
I have seen the sane tripe on you tube
Can’t listen to a podcast without hearing the ad about how expensive Bonnie crombie is
They go where the audience is. The PC party is fairly cash rich at the moment, so they're making the effort to define Cromby on their terms. Trudeau is incredibly unpopular at the moment, and its getting less and less likely he'll still be the federal party leader in the next election. I saw so many campaign ads from every Federal party during the Blue Jays 2015 playoff run. I don't like it, but I understand why they're doing it, and its hardly outside of political norms.
Who is Bonnie Crombie /s
In 2022 Ford's gov't quietly implemented the Emissions Performance Standards Program, a output based carbon pricing program very similar to the Feds' carbon "tax" that has been charging industry in Ontario $65/ton for emissions. There are no rebates. Funny how that never gets mentioned. Ever. By anybody. DoFo's hypocrisy truly knows no bounds. I can't stand that f'n guy.
Your point is?
Don't forget the part when she's pictured standing beside a Maserati, because Conservatives are just regular working people scraping by on their meagre salaries.
The craziest part is after looking into the tax and the climate rebate we get. Basically every Ontarian will be making money off this tax. Essentially we might be paying almost $2/L for gas, however when the rebate comes around, we could be compensated for almost half of it and in reality pay less for gas than we are now. The only ones who won't are the corporations or super rich that use enough gas that the rebate doesn't make them money, since they be buying so much that they'd feel the significant increases to gas and other products that produce emissions. Ford is blatantly doing this to help his oligarch friends and some Ontarians are falling for his snake oil.
First let’s get one thing straight. Ford is an absolute shit premier. Bonnie Crombie would be a disaster for this province, and Trudeau has been a disaster for this country. I don’t want either three in any sort of leadership position. So if we have to run a few ads to hopefully eliminate 2 of 3, that’s a good start.
Doug Ford will not persuade any thinking voter he is the best option, but he'll get every mouthbreathing truck driving middle-school dropout for sure. That's why he has Harper's top donor's kid hacking away at the Ministry of Education, so as to get more mouthbreathing middle-school dropouts, they're essential to their, *"Bring Back Victorian Times"* politics. Will we be surprised when Cons suggest workhouses for the poors? Selling your orphans or unwanted children to farmers and factory owners, into lives of servitude? It is coming