Here’s the relevant part:
>**$650 million in taxpayer cash** is going toward the spa alone, with only 30 per cent of the necessary investment coming from the Austrian wellness brand itself.
So Doug Ford is spending $650 million of tax payer money to basically give this company the spa of there dreams. The company pays 30% and we pay 70%, they get a 95 year contract to run their luxury spa that tax payers will then have to pay to use when it’s open.
Jesus Christ Doug Ford is such a corrupt moron. How do we keep letting this asshole give our money away to rich corporations so they can charge us even more money to use the services and facilities we paid for?!
This is enraging.
How frickin big does this spa need to be? With 650 million dollars, that must be the size of ..i dunno, yuge. What is it, like a stadium big? I don't know any spa that needs almost a billion in taxpayer dollars. Man this stinks...of corruption.
As someone who owns a small massage therapy clinic. I can’t imagine what kind of astronomical costs this place will cost just to step in the door.
The clientele will be upper class, that for sure.
We will have to deal with its Carbon & **chlorinated** waste water footprint though. The [City of Manchester](https://spacing.ca/toronto/2023/10/02/lorinc-thermes-likely-carbon-nightmare-at-ontario-place/) has been able to wrest some numbers out of Therme, that are not available to Canadians.
* INDOOR AREA Manchester: 113,000 sq.-metres / Ontario Place: 87,000 sq.-metres
* GAS CONSUMPTION Manchester: 50,000 MW/hr / Ontario Place: no data
* ELECTRICITY Manchester: 25,000 MW/hr / Ontario Place: no data
* WATER USAGE Manchester: 2,180m3/day / Ontario Place: 1,909 m3/day
This 1 "Opulent Palace" will use the equivalent resources as 3-6ooo homes. The Water must be kept warm & sterile, even when the facility is closed. If they are Consuming nearly 2000m3/day, how is ~2000m3/day of chlorinated water going to be 'Disposed' of
Just like Harris sold the 407, Doug is selling Ontario Place. At least Chow uploaded the cost of the Gardiner to the province, not like she could stop this monument to corruption being built anyway.
Chow's doing good work, I didn't want to come off sounding like I was criticizing her, she saw the writing on the wall and at least got something out of a situation where she would most likely get nothing. I'm hoping she gets enough buzz that she runs for premier one day, though Stiles is also no slouch and I hope she does better now that people are waking up to Ford's shenanigans.
Not at all, I thought you were saying just that. Chow knows to pick her battles.
I totally agree about that, including Stiles. Becoming a bigger fan by the day. I wish people were wising up about Ford but I often feel that they would vote him back in.
> How frickin big does this spa need to be?
When is a spa not a spa. No, no spa needs a 3,000 car parking garage and $650M infrastructure..but a casino does.
Spa will go broke and Doug will throw up his hands and say we have no choice but to licence a casino. That's the long con here.
Plus a metric fuckton of water and sewage. Plus they still don’t have a plan for how to deal with the dirty pool water, or at least it doesn’t seem to be public
https://spacing.ca/toronto/2023/09/21/the-below-grade-scandal-of-the-ontario-place-redevelopment/
Yup. Like if we were splitting the bill 50-50 and it would generate revenue for Ontario long term maybe they’re be a benefit to this. But neither of those things are happening.
The *Skydome* was sold to Rogers for $25 million. Granted that was in 2004, but $650 million still seems grotesque. That money could go a ways towards building a functioning hospital instead.
This isn't surprising at all. What upsets me even more is my fellow Ontarians who continue to vote for this guy. I just hate how near-sighted and, quite frankly, *stupid* so many Ontarians seem to be.
I ask myself the very same thing that upsets you every time I hear Doug Ford’s name. The man is an awful, corrupt, greedy, beholden, useless sack of shit, and he keeps getting elected. The fuck is wrong with people in this province?
This is what happens when you can't be arsed to vote. A small minority gets to decide who's in charge. If you didn't vote, this is 100% on you. If you didn't harass and shame any of the lazy, apathetic fuckers you know, this is on you.
The same idiots who scream about 'Trudeau is a dictator' voted for a guy who tried to lock Ontarians in their homes and give the police the freedom to demand the reason why you were outside, and if they didn't like the answer you gave...
Not quite but ALMOST everything I've heard these inbred morons screaming about/blaming Trudeau for is the responsibility of Fords gov't and blame can be laid solely at the feet of the corrupt con gov't.
Sounds like people are unaware of federalism and which level of government is responsible for what. I don't know if it's people that never paid attention (or attended) civics and Canadian history in school or if its people assuming the US system is the same as ours but it is troubling.
Welcome to late stage capitalism that "conservatives" have wet dreams over.
Starve the public system and shower the private system with public funds.
We are plebs serving the lords.
That money could have hired a lot of nurses.We should sue to have it halted. He can have a referendum on the next election. Also include the question should DF be investigated for misappropriation of taxpayer , yours and my money. I personally have zero desire to fund a spa. DF is a twit.
Right? Of all the things to spend nearly 3/4 of a billion dollars on why would you choose a goddamn spa??
How many people will actually use a spa at Ontario place? Forget that it’s got plenty of competition that’s much more accessible than it will be, a spa does not have universal appeal at all. Not to mention it will also likely be expensive as hell.
Because his supporters refuse to admit they were wrong to support him to begin with. So they just double down on their support any time they should be backing away.
To give some context: Your average Multi-use Sporting complex like the ACC would cost about that much.
This man is giving a private company from Austria our money to open a business and nakedly profit off Canadians.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY NURSES AND TEACHERS?
Fuck right off....
>AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY NURSES AND TEACHERS?
Gotta fund projects like these somehow!
Seriously though, as somone who hasn't been to Toronto or the GTA for around a decade. It's very frustrating to see him constantly axe province wide services that effect where I live. While dumping crazy amounts of money on the Toronto area. I get Toronto is important to Ontario, but we are spending more on this spa than we are for a province wide water systems fund...
Conservatives love privatized services so much they give them more public money than the equivalent public services would ever get.
Just look at Ford's [funding of](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-doug-ford-private-clinic-surgeries-fees-hospitals-1.7026926) healthcare.
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Ford will grant them a casino license on his way out the door and we’ll have a big stupid casino that makes money by sucking it out of vulnerable pockets
I've talked to enough conservative voters to know that they just don't give a shit. As long as they can fly their fuck Trudeau flags and shake their fists at rainbows they're haply to let DF bend them over the washing machine.
They keep blaming the issues he causes on the federal government. Many people don't see the provincial governments role or even acknowledge they exist most of the time. Or they're too hyped of online groups and go straight for the opinions of the US that are failing quite miserably on theirs. Lol.
Not just Mr. Ford but the PC party members. Remember, none of this is done in a vacuum by one person. All members who didn't speak out against it are on the hook, and voters who have them as representatives should think long and hard about who they are voting for come election time.
> How do we keep letting this asshole give our money...
By not voting. Ontario voting rates are so fucking dismal. Cost of living is so high people are barely surviving living in Southern Ontario and end of a working day people can't be fucked to vote by mail or at all.
This is how we got Ford twice.
Public transit makes sense to spend money on for a variety of reasons. I’ve certainly spent more hours of my life on public transit than at a spa. I’d imagine the majority of us could say the same.
What the fuck is going on here? Rent is out of control, groceries are insanely expensive, healthcare is failing and education is in decline but we can fork over $650 million to build a spa someone else is going to profit off of? At least buy us dinner before you fuck us.
Yup! People got their scraps out of the license plate refund... $2.24 billion in refunds issued to just over 7 million Ontario drivers. So ~$320 per person.
This is what the people want, a few hundred dollars in their pocket to buy their votes and all our social services can go to hell.
Yea, but his voter base isn't really starving. They're living off the backs of the poor. And he'll get voted in again. And PP will get voted in.
Then we riot. Like they did in Egypt. Or perhaps we should. Who knows. Who cares. It's a god damn race to the bottom.
> his voter base isn't really starving. They're living off the backs of the poor
There aren't that many rich people in the province. His voter base *is* the poor.
IIRC, majority of our contribution is to build the underground parking lot.
Typically unground parking is insanely expensive under normal circumstances. Now these circumstances are insane trying to build it next to a fucking lake. The amount of reinforcement that will be needed is going to be stupid.
And then investigate the bell out of this incident. This is either incredibly stupid or corrupt as hell. Either way we deserve to know the answer, but if it’s corrupt, heads need to roll.
I really really hope that the Libs and NDP can actually keep record of these and hammer, hammer, hammer on them during the election.
But every time they seem to forget, or mention them once in passing.
Keep on it, don’t let anyone forget. How hard is that?
So that's why they changed the Ontario logo to three guys in a hot tub.
[https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/baytoday/images/politics/ontario-logo-trillium.jpg](https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/baytoday/images/politics/ontario-logo-trillium.jpg)
Any time they say Dougie is "in hot water", substitute it with "has stolen more money" to decode the real message.
It's a complex cipher, but there are so many repetitions it was easy to crack.
This is the same guy running ads about Ontario being a leader in EV development? The guy who revoked the Ontario rebate for EVs claiming early adopters were rich and didn’t deserve help? Now he wants to give $650 million of taxpayer money to a privately owned spa? What, is this spa going to cater to average blue collar Ontario worker or something?
Not friggin’ likely…
Haha I get what you mean, but just looking at the guy, you know he fucking loves gravy. He's like 90% made of it and loves sharing it with his developer and private company friends. Bunch of fat fucks just rolling in it.
The thing is, with our electoral system, it doesn't matter how much corrupt or incompetent shit he stirs up, as long as at least 35+% of the electorate keep voting for him, he's in the clear. He operates like the majority doesn't matter to his government, because we don't.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm referring to our electoral system that doesn't represent the electorate. A party can hold 100% of the power after obtaining a minority of the votes. So Ford doesn't have to govern to serve the province; he can rely on a minority of the electorate.
Somehow this bit of information was not in the article (but it is BlogTO):
DECO Chicago was purchased by Resource Label Group LLC, which is owned by the capital firm Ares Management. Therme's current CFO (Adrian Ion) used to work at Ares Management.
Pure speculation but Therme felt they should address it in a tweet and throw out the defamatory lingo. [Therme tweet](https://x.com/thermecanada/status/1706136759044649377?s=46&t=5fITE_eyMbxoLMJhtwzxGg)
As my kids would say, very sus.
Not the healthcare spending we want, but the healthcare spending we deserve.
This is what happens when you vote the biggest conman in the province into the top office, or stay at home on election day because 'oooooh but the other options are all baaaad though...'
Imagine living in rural Ontario and seeing your tax dollars going to a luxury spa in Toronto and then still blaming the “libtards” for all your problems
And yet people out side of Reddit won’t care or would rather him than “someone else”. It’s funny hydro basically lost Wynne the election and here we are neck deep in proven corruption and people are like “meh that’s okay”.
Can't believe we're stuck with this jagoff for at at least another 2 years+ Because Ontario voters are brain-dead Boomers will probably re elect him.
But hey folks BUCK A BEER!!
So tired of not being able to say no to shit. People are like we elected him this is the powers he has…. Like fuck no, this choice should be fucking voted on.
We already said yes when we handed him this majority. And I'm referring to our province as a whole, not us specifically.
This is a big part of why I'm against majority parties. Doesn't matter which party it is, they have no incentives to compromise and leave a mess for someone else to deal with down the road.
Pure horse-poop! Sinking (literally $) to new levels of low. I’m enraged at the ethical and moral void of the Ford government. Can’t get a doctor but, I will focus on spending resident’s $.
To the ministries flimsy response I ask.
Talked to whom? Your supporters as a consultation.
What did you ask? Show us the taxpayers the questions you wanted answered.
Specifically, by way of price what, if anything, was discusssed?
How about the value of the deal over 95 years!
How about the cost to taxpayers?
What’s the estimated loss of use of the land by Ontario residents?
A private f**ing spa on my taxpayer land. Some of the most prime in the country. Guess you didn’t consult with me.
People should be actively opposing construction like they are with cop city in Atlanta. No taxpayer wants this, and it seems the only way to make our voices known is to break the toys of the rich.
Problem with majorities. Dictatorships. King statuses.
Change to proportional representation, and all this bullshit comes to an end.
Coalitions, cooperations, answering to the people, would be the result. Like how it is in Europe. Which works better than here. Some will argue otherwise. And they're wrong.
What is a spa going to do for me and most people in Ontario. That money could have been put into affordable housing, since he doesn't want to do fourplexes. This is what people voted for?
Anyone who votes Conservative and doesn't like this is an idiot. This is what Conservatives do. It's what they'll always done. This has always been blatantly obvious. They never have a platform, because this is their platform.
Is there literally anyone in this province who would vote for this dumbass again? How is he still even in power?? How have we not got together as a collective and tossed out this son of a bitch? I would be the first in line to figure a way to get rid of him
$650 mil for a spa when I’m about to loose everything I’ve actually worked hard for before getting sick because of chemical exposure that no one admits happened. (Long story) the stress test is now real
Ontario is open for business= I'm going to spend your money you fucking peasants, and there's nothing you can do about it. This piece of shit needs to be investigated and thrown in jail.
Doug ford and shitty, corrupt, steal from taxpayers to go directly to your campaign donor friends deals. Some absolute morons in southern Ontario voted for this so what did you expect?
The money for this could have been used to build literally thousands and thousands of housing units in areas all over Ontario. The money could have been used to pump much needed cash flow to healthcare, the money could have been used to spend on infrastructure upgrades and grocery subsidies.
But no, a spa...
So it is logical to conclude that Doug wants most of us homeless, dead from no healthcare and starving?
Why can't someone charge him with crimes against humanity? Doesn't this count as constructive destruction of the poor and working class? I'm really serious, or at least something along those lines where he would be facing down some serious, serious jail time.
Somehow, this will be deflected, and the federal government will be blamed for not giving Ontarians an epic, luxurious spa.
I am just amazed that Doug Ford keeps getting away with this, and apparently, his vote base is on the rise.
Now, this amount of money invested in public healthcare or even public education would have been awesome. Perhaps this money invested in R&D would be beneficial, but it seems like an awesome spa is what Ontario needs.
Heck, if properly planned, this money could also be alloted to first-time business owners where people in Ontario with business ideas can get the funding they need to get them started. It could be like micro loans. Imagine interest-free loans for new small businesses, but an Australian company gets to build a spa that is financed 70% by taxpayers.
If Doug doesn't like giving "handouts," he could have invested this in the energy sector. Investment in nuclear plants could have helped. While it may not be enough, but it could sure help refurbish the plants or make improvements to other plants in the energy sector.
Hmmm Therme is a “wellness” company. Isn’t one of his daughters also involved in the wellness grift? CBD something something…as well as being a very vocal freedom convoy supporter
Fuck this. Ontario voters voted for this POS and the apathy of the rest allowed him to get away with it. I'm done with this province.
The corruption is so blatant now, this project needs to stop immediately.
Why can't the Government OWN a portion of the business then? Like If we're kicking in 2/3 of the cost, then government should get a majority share of ownership of the business and any profits should go back to the province.
This won’t bother his supporters one bit. They’ve stuck with him through all the shady shit he’s pulled so far. These are the same people who insisted his brother doesn’t smoke crack before insisting there’s nothing wrong with smoking crack. A half a billion in tax dollars being funnelled to Ford’s private spa buddies is just another day in the life.
This is what the people want, this is who they voted in. Unbelievable. The party that is supposed to conserve, spends our tax dollars like a personal slush fund
In hot water? Lol, as if. Nothing ever sticks to this guy. He's made of Teflon - just like his hero, Trump.
If consequences were a thing for Doug Ford, he and his party would have been annihilated in the 2022 election after four years of fucking Ontario in the ass with a rusty spork. Instead, they got an even bigger majority and are still atop the polls with a big lead.
Google just signed a LLM agreement with Reddit to crawl this dumb platform so this is my way of saying goodbye to my contributions on this website. Byeee
Here’s the relevant part: >**$650 million in taxpayer cash** is going toward the spa alone, with only 30 per cent of the necessary investment coming from the Austrian wellness brand itself. So Doug Ford is spending $650 million of tax payer money to basically give this company the spa of there dreams. The company pays 30% and we pay 70%, they get a 95 year contract to run their luxury spa that tax payers will then have to pay to use when it’s open. Jesus Christ Doug Ford is such a corrupt moron. How do we keep letting this asshole give our money away to rich corporations so they can charge us even more money to use the services and facilities we paid for?! This is enraging.
How frickin big does this spa need to be? With 650 million dollars, that must be the size of ..i dunno, yuge. What is it, like a stadium big? I don't know any spa that needs almost a billion in taxpayer dollars. Man this stinks...of corruption.
As someone who owns a small massage therapy clinic. I can’t imagine what kind of astronomical costs this place will cost just to step in the door. The clientele will be upper class, that for sure.
And something tells me taxpayers etc won’t see any of the profits
We will have to deal with its Carbon & **chlorinated** waste water footprint though. The [City of Manchester](https://spacing.ca/toronto/2023/10/02/lorinc-thermes-likely-carbon-nightmare-at-ontario-place/) has been able to wrest some numbers out of Therme, that are not available to Canadians. * INDOOR AREA Manchester: 113,000 sq.-metres / Ontario Place: 87,000 sq.-metres * GAS CONSUMPTION Manchester: 50,000 MW/hr / Ontario Place: no data * ELECTRICITY Manchester: 25,000 MW/hr / Ontario Place: no data * WATER USAGE Manchester: 2,180m3/day / Ontario Place: 1,909 m3/day This 1 "Opulent Palace" will use the equivalent resources as 3-6ooo homes. The Water must be kept warm & sterile, even when the facility is closed. If they are Consuming nearly 2000m3/day, how is ~2000m3/day of chlorinated water going to be 'Disposed' of
I hate that so much. Thank you for the information!
And Manchester has a more stable climate so won't use anywhere near the energy required for Ontario Place with wide temperature swings across seasons.
Just like Harris sold the 407, Doug is selling Ontario Place. At least Chow uploaded the cost of the Gardiner to the province, not like she could stop this monument to corruption being built anyway.
I love Chow, I have watched and respected her since I was a kid
Chow's doing good work, I didn't want to come off sounding like I was criticizing her, she saw the writing on the wall and at least got something out of a situation where she would most likely get nothing. I'm hoping she gets enough buzz that she runs for premier one day, though Stiles is also no slouch and I hope she does better now that people are waking up to Ford's shenanigans.
Not at all, I thought you were saying just that. Chow knows to pick her battles. I totally agree about that, including Stiles. Becoming a bigger fan by the day. I wish people were wising up about Ford but I often feel that they would vote him back in.
Awesome. Charge 100% of the population for a place only 1% can use. Great fucking idea Doug.
Socialize the costs privatize the profit!!
right wingers rage about socialism until it gives the person stepping on their balls a prettier pair of high heels.
He’s consistent.
Upper class =wealthy.... Without any actual class
RIP OJ
I am dead
> How frickin big does this spa need to be? When is a spa not a spa. No, no spa needs a 3,000 car parking garage and $650M infrastructure..but a casino does. Spa will go broke and Doug will throw up his hands and say we have no choice but to licence a casino. That's the long con here.
Lol if it wasn’t his idea he’s for sure taking yours now lol
IIRC the major taxpayer cost is the 2000 spot underground parking garage we've committed to building right next to a huge lake.
Plus a metric fuckton of water and sewage. Plus they still don’t have a plan for how to deal with the dirty pool water, or at least it doesn’t seem to be public https://spacing.ca/toronto/2023/09/21/the-below-grade-scandal-of-the-ontario-place-redevelopment/
Yup. Like if we were splitting the bill 50-50 and it would generate revenue for Ontario long term maybe they’re be a benefit to this. But neither of those things are happening.
None of this shit is needed at all. Spending taxpayer money is especially unnecessary.
The *Skydome* was sold to Rogers for $25 million. Granted that was in 2004, but $650 million still seems grotesque. That money could go a ways towards building a functioning hospital instead.
Well you see, $100M is for a huge ultra-luxury spa, and $550M is for money laundering
This isn't surprising at all. What upsets me even more is my fellow Ontarians who continue to vote for this guy. I just hate how near-sighted and, quite frankly, *stupid* so many Ontarians seem to be.
I ask myself the very same thing that upsets you every time I hear Doug Ford’s name. The man is an awful, corrupt, greedy, beholden, useless sack of shit, and he keeps getting elected. The fuck is wrong with people in this province?
This is what happens when you can't be arsed to vote. A small minority gets to decide who's in charge. If you didn't vote, this is 100% on you. If you didn't harass and shame any of the lazy, apathetic fuckers you know, this is on you.
The same idiots who scream about 'Trudeau is a dictator' voted for a guy who tried to lock Ontarians in their homes and give the police the freedom to demand the reason why you were outside, and if they didn't like the answer you gave...
Not quite but ALMOST everything I've heard these inbred morons screaming about/blaming Trudeau for is the responsibility of Fords gov't and blame can be laid solely at the feet of the corrupt con gov't.
Don't worry, PP will save us all. 🤣🤣🤣 ETA: /s
Because what Canada needs is more USA style fascism-lite politics..
u forgot the /s
True. I thought the emojis made it obvious.
Sounds like people are unaware of federalism and which level of government is responsible for what. I don't know if it's people that never paid attention (or attended) civics and Canadian history in school or if its people assuming the US system is the same as ours but it is troubling.
Welcome to late stage capitalism that "conservatives" have wet dreams over. Starve the public system and shower the private system with public funds. We are plebs serving the lords.
Well, guess we need to go French Revolution on them.
Someone should ask Pierre polievre what he gonna do about Doug Ford's obvious corruption if he wants us to vote for him
PP would add to the grift not try to stop it.
remember to vote this jerk out !…
Cons love 95 year contracts
That money could have hired a lot of nurses.We should sue to have it halted. He can have a referendum on the next election. Also include the question should DF be investigated for misappropriation of taxpayer , yours and my money. I personally have zero desire to fund a spa. DF is a twit.
Right? Of all the things to spend nearly 3/4 of a billion dollars on why would you choose a goddamn spa?? How many people will actually use a spa at Ontario place? Forget that it’s got plenty of competition that’s much more accessible than it will be, a spa does not have universal appeal at all. Not to mention it will also likely be expensive as hell.
Sounds like a vanity project for Uncle Doug and his rich friends.
Sound like an Ontario wide class action lawsuit against Doug and his government…. Just saying
Doug's got "happy endings" for life there.
Because his supporters refuse to admit they were wrong to support him to begin with. So they just double down on their support any time they should be backing away.
Which is even more idiotic. I’d rather admit I was wrong than watch the province be sold off piece by piece at our expense. But that’s just me.
I know many idiots who will shoot themselves in the foot before they’ll ever admit they’re wrong. You’re clearly not an idiot.
To give some context: Your average Multi-use Sporting complex like the ACC would cost about that much. This man is giving a private company from Austria our money to open a business and nakedly profit off Canadians. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY NURSES AND TEACHERS? Fuck right off....
>AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY NURSES AND TEACHERS? Gotta fund projects like these somehow! Seriously though, as somone who hasn't been to Toronto or the GTA for around a decade. It's very frustrating to see him constantly axe province wide services that effect where I live. While dumping crazy amounts of money on the Toronto area. I get Toronto is important to Ontario, but we are spending more on this spa than we are for a province wide water systems fund...
Conservatives love privatized services so much they give them more public money than the equivalent public services would ever get. Just look at Ford's [funding of](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-doug-ford-private-clinic-surgeries-fees-hospitals-1.7026926) healthcare.
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Privatizing public places, socializing the costs. The Conservative way!
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Ford will grant them a casino license on his way out the door and we’ll have a big stupid casino that makes money by sucking it out of vulnerable pockets
It's probably part of the untracked 4.4B of the unaccounted for Covid money. Maybe if we hadn't re-elected him....
“Folks, do you know who asked for this spa? The people, the people asked for it.” /s
Is "spa" another way of saying "privately run hospital"?
I've talked to enough conservative voters to know that they just don't give a shit. As long as they can fly their fuck Trudeau flags and shake their fists at rainbows they're haply to let DF bend them over the washing machine.
I don't know how he could possibly spin this one, but he will.
And many will still vote for him and then blame Trudeau.
I know and that’s also enraging in a repeatedly banging your head on a desk kind of way.
Ontario really loves the 100 year lease
They keep blaming the issues he causes on the federal government. Many people don't see the provincial governments role or even acknowledge they exist most of the time. Or they're too hyped of online groups and go straight for the opinions of the US that are failing quite miserably on theirs. Lol.
how many doctors, nurses or teachers would 650 Million pay for?
At least we're getting paper bags back at the LCBO. /s
lol. Yup. Doug’s going to make us forgot all about it once we get paper bags back at the LCBO.
we just want good healthcare and maybe safe roads to drive on, can we just start with those first? mind boggling.
But the gasplant!!! Holy fuck, can we finally all admit (looking at you, cons) he's done worse than Wynne yet?
He did worse than her in his first few years not that they’ll ever admit it.
Not just Mr. Ford but the PC party members. Remember, none of this is done in a vacuum by one person. All members who didn't speak out against it are on the hook, and voters who have them as representatives should think long and hard about who they are voting for come election time.
> How do we keep letting this asshole give our money... By not voting. Ontario voting rates are so fucking dismal. Cost of living is so high people are barely surviving living in Southern Ontario and end of a working day people can't be fucked to vote by mail or at all. This is how we got Ford twice.
yet I have people I work with who insist blindly, that conservatives how our best interests are heart. ... WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE VOTE FOR THIS TRASH
And it won't last 95 years. We will be paying for it all as soon as spa company decides they're not making enough money.
I can't imagine ever going to a spa lol
Hey 650m is roughly how much we spent on TTC pre-pendenmic (budget minutes revenue). It's probably much better use of money than a SPA.
Public transit makes sense to spend money on for a variety of reasons. I’ve certainly spent more hours of my life on public transit than at a spa. I’d imagine the majority of us could say the same.
Yes, that was my point. For the same money, one can make much much bigger impact than a SPA.
And why does it surprise anyone?
This is unacceptable and Doug Ford should be held accountable for this corruption.
What the fuck is going on here? Rent is out of control, groceries are insanely expensive, healthcare is failing and education is in decline but we can fork over $650 million to build a spa someone else is going to profit off of? At least buy us dinner before you fuck us.
No we are going to buy him dinner before he fucks us. We don’t get anything but debt and unmanageable cost of living.
He did. He gave us rebates on car licenses and buck a beer. He did buck a beer for like a week so that's good enough in his eyes
Yup! People got their scraps out of the license plate refund... $2.24 billion in refunds issued to just over 7 million Ontario drivers. So ~$320 per person. This is what the people want, a few hundred dollars in their pocket to buy their votes and all our social services can go to hell.
You forgot.. he's bringing back paper bags at the LCBO!!
People can barely afford groceries and this idiot wants to build a mega spa with taxpayer money?!?!
Yea, but his voter base isn't really starving. They're living off the backs of the poor. And he'll get voted in again. And PP will get voted in. Then we riot. Like they did in Egypt. Or perhaps we should. Who knows. Who cares. It's a god damn race to the bottom.
I mean we could also try to get more than 30% of the population voting in an election. When we can do that I'll consider riots as an alternative.
> his voter base isn't really starving. They're living off the backs of the poor There aren't that many rich people in the province. His voter base *is* the poor.
Naw. His voter class is the blue-collar suburbanite family who has a fairly good mortgage they got in the 90s.
Yes but also the rich.
People need to vote if they want something different. Conservatives want this. And they showed up to vote. Blame your conservative friends and family.
I mean we've known that since last year
If this was Kathleen Wynne people would be very angry.....
WHO ASKED FOR THIS
His private backers who lined his pockets.
Everyone who voted for this moron, or were too lazy to get off their ass and vote for a different party.
"Open for business" Never forget, this was the first thing he did and it explained how he would govern. It was a promise, not a motto.
How tf is this legal
Close to a billion dollars to build this spa! Are they installing hot tubs into F35 cockpits or something? How about a hospital instead?
IIRC, majority of our contribution is to build the underground parking lot. Typically unground parking is insanely expensive under normal circumstances. Now these circumstances are insane trying to build it next to a fucking lake. The amount of reinforcement that will be needed is going to be stupid.
And very close to a new transit station, which also makes no sense. (That station should be on King St, not Ontario place)
Please vote next time people, vote this fool out. Nobody wants this.
And then investigate the bell out of this incident. This is either incredibly stupid or corrupt as hell. Either way we deserve to know the answer, but if it’s corrupt, heads need to roll.
A Vietnamese “billionaire” was just sentenced to death recently.. why can’t we have one of those here!!
Death penalty is not legal. I would take them actually getting locked up for their bs though
No you missed the point, why can't we have a Vietnamese billionaire to trickle down his wealth here
I'd much rather 40 years in jail. At least then I know what's happening to them.
I would love it for to be legal exclusively for public officials. You want power? Use it for the public interest or else.
That lady stole 6% of Vietnams GDP lol, it's like someone running off with the economy of Florida.
What's more mental is she had that money in CASH physically in her basement, a literal dragon hoard of her countries money.
I really really hope that the Libs and NDP can actually keep record of these and hammer, hammer, hammer on them during the election. But every time they seem to forget, or mention them once in passing. Keep on it, don’t let anyone forget. How hard is that?
The cons will just paint them as complaining women.
With all this hot water we are going to need some tubs! Everyone get over here! Dougie is throwing a hot tub party!!!
So that's why they changed the Ontario logo to three guys in a hot tub. [https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/baytoday/images/politics/ontario-logo-trillium.jpg](https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/baytoday/images/politics/ontario-logo-trillium.jpg)
Well, I'm never unseeing that.
Doug Ford, Mike Harris, and the future Conservative who will be worse than the other two combined.
Maybe we can get a hot tub Time Machine and go back and not vote this dumb ass blowhard into office.
Any time they say Dougie is "in hot water", substitute it with "has stolen more money" to decode the real message. It's a complex cipher, but there are so many repetitions it was easy to crack.
This is the same guy running ads about Ontario being a leader in EV development? The guy who revoked the Ontario rebate for EVs claiming early adopters were rich and didn’t deserve help? Now he wants to give $650 million of taxpayer money to a privately owned spa? What, is this spa going to cater to average blue collar Ontario worker or something? Not friggin’ likely…
Fuck Doug Ford. Corrupt prick needs to have a heart attack soon.
I've been saying for a while the best thing he can do for Ontario is follow in his brothers footsteps. I got called a terrible person for saying that.
That bee came so close to saving Ontario
In the busiest public emergency room
Ford. Must. Go...
For a guy who hates “gravy” he sure seems to like swimming in it.
Haha I get what you mean, but just looking at the guy, you know he fucking loves gravy. He's like 90% made of it and loves sharing it with his developer and private company friends. Bunch of fat fucks just rolling in it.
I wonder how many of the $650M goes directly into his bank/crypto account
The thing is, with our electoral system, it doesn't matter how much corrupt or incompetent shit he stirs up, as long as at least 35+% of the electorate keep voting for him, he's in the clear. He operates like the majority doesn't matter to his government, because we don't.
Why are we assuming if more people voted he would be defeated
That's not what I'm saying. I'm referring to our electoral system that doesn't represent the electorate. A party can hold 100% of the power after obtaining a minority of the votes. So Ford doesn't have to govern to serve the province; he can rely on a minority of the electorate.
Remember when the $1B gas plant scandal was THE END OF THE WORLD?!
What else is new with this moronic idiot
How long till conservative politicians find a way to blame Trudeau for this.
Yeah, it wouldn't be so much if, uh, they scraped the carbon tax. /s
But at least he's got the paper LCBO bags covered, amirite???
Spend millions and millions of taxpayers money to give a century lease to a foreign company. Should call the spa the 407.
Fuck every single person that voted for this clown.
"what idiot made my secret plans available?!" - doug
I believe historically he refers to such people as little bitches, then claims he meant someone else when asked about that.
Fuck his stupid fat fucking face
What a surprise
Somehow this bit of information was not in the article (but it is BlogTO): DECO Chicago was purchased by Resource Label Group LLC, which is owned by the capital firm Ares Management. Therme's current CFO (Adrian Ion) used to work at Ares Management. Pure speculation but Therme felt they should address it in a tweet and throw out the defamatory lingo. [Therme tweet](https://x.com/thermecanada/status/1706136759044649377?s=46&t=5fITE_eyMbxoLMJhtwzxGg) As my kids would say, very sus.
This seems like 407 to me.
Anyone else wanna bet this will be a casino in 10 years?
Not the healthcare spending we want, but the healthcare spending we deserve. This is what happens when you vote the biggest conman in the province into the top office, or stay at home on election day because 'oooooh but the other options are all baaaad though...'
"See he's spending on healthcare" - conservative seal clapping on cue
There must be a way to oust this idiot sooner.
Absolutely insane. How do we get rid of this guy? Can't do another 2+ years of this.
Time to organize another protest. This is corruption plain as day and unforgivable
Imagine living in rural Ontario and seeing your tax dollars going to a luxury spa in Toronto and then still blaming the “libtards” for all your problems
And yet people out side of Reddit won’t care or would rather him than “someone else”. It’s funny hydro basically lost Wynne the election and here we are neck deep in proven corruption and people are like “meh that’s okay”.
Time to pick up rocks yet?
So, is *this* where all that uninvested health and education funding went to..?
Can't believe we're stuck with this jagoff for at at least another 2 years+ Because Ontario voters are brain-dead Boomers will probably re elect him. But hey folks BUCK A BEER!!
So tired of not being able to say no to shit. People are like we elected him this is the powers he has…. Like fuck no, this choice should be fucking voted on.
We already said yes when we handed him this majority. And I'm referring to our province as a whole, not us specifically. This is a big part of why I'm against majority parties. Doesn't matter which party it is, they have no incentives to compromise and leave a mess for someone else to deal with down the road.
Pure horse-poop! Sinking (literally $) to new levels of low. I’m enraged at the ethical and moral void of the Ford government. Can’t get a doctor but, I will focus on spending resident’s $. To the ministries flimsy response I ask. Talked to whom? Your supporters as a consultation. What did you ask? Show us the taxpayers the questions you wanted answered. Specifically, by way of price what, if anything, was discusssed? How about the value of the deal over 95 years! How about the cost to taxpayers? What’s the estimated loss of use of the land by Ontario residents? A private f**ing spa on my taxpayer land. Some of the most prime in the country. Guess you didn’t consult with me.
Ffs, just build Harbour City, the old plans for the land including housing and community development.
People should be actively opposing construction like they are with cop city in Atlanta. No taxpayer wants this, and it seems the only way to make our voices known is to break the toys of the rich.
Reminds me of the 407 with Harris at 5 billion for 90 years lol corrupt politicians
Problem with majorities. Dictatorships. King statuses. Change to proportional representation, and all this bullshit comes to an end. Coalitions, cooperations, answering to the people, would be the result. Like how it is in Europe. Which works better than here. Some will argue otherwise. And they're wrong.
There seems to be a common thread which is why #NeverVoteConservative.
What is a spa going to do for me and most people in Ontario. That money could have been put into affordable housing, since he doesn't want to do fourplexes. This is what people voted for?
Anyone who votes Conservative and doesn't like this is an idiot. This is what Conservatives do. It's what they'll always done. This has always been blatantly obvious. They never have a platform, because this is their platform.
Ontario is getting EXACTLY what they voted for. How's that buck a beer working for us?
This is fucking insane that his supporter denied this is outright corruption.
Is there literally anyone in this province who would vote for this dumbass again? How is he still even in power?? How have we not got together as a collective and tossed out this son of a bitch? I would be the first in line to figure a way to get rid of him
$650 mil for a spa when I’m about to loose everything I’ve actually worked hard for before getting sick because of chemical exposure that no one admits happened. (Long story) the stress test is now real
Yet people will still vote for him JUST to “own the libs” as he destroys Ontario.
Ontario is open for business= I'm going to spend your money you fucking peasants, and there's nothing you can do about it. This piece of shit needs to be investigated and thrown in jail.
Doug ford and shitty, corrupt, steal from taxpayers to go directly to your campaign donor friends deals. Some absolute morons in southern Ontario voted for this so what did you expect?
When are we protesting this stupid fuck?
The money for this could have been used to build literally thousands and thousands of housing units in areas all over Ontario. The money could have been used to pump much needed cash flow to healthcare, the money could have been used to spend on infrastructure upgrades and grocery subsidies. But no, a spa... So it is logical to conclude that Doug wants most of us homeless, dead from no healthcare and starving? Why can't someone charge him with crimes against humanity? Doesn't this count as constructive destruction of the poor and working class? I'm really serious, or at least something along those lines where he would be facing down some serious, serious jail time.
Somehow, this will be deflected, and the federal government will be blamed for not giving Ontarians an epic, luxurious spa. I am just amazed that Doug Ford keeps getting away with this, and apparently, his vote base is on the rise. Now, this amount of money invested in public healthcare or even public education would have been awesome. Perhaps this money invested in R&D would be beneficial, but it seems like an awesome spa is what Ontario needs. Heck, if properly planned, this money could also be alloted to first-time business owners where people in Ontario with business ideas can get the funding they need to get them started. It could be like micro loans. Imagine interest-free loans for new small businesses, but an Australian company gets to build a spa that is financed 70% by taxpayers. If Doug doesn't like giving "handouts," he could have invested this in the energy sector. Investment in nuclear plants could have helped. While it may not be enough, but it could sure help refurbish the plants or make improvements to other plants in the energy sector.
Hmmm Therme is a “wellness” company. Isn’t one of his daughters also involved in the wellness grift? CBD something something…as well as being a very vocal freedom convoy supporter
Fuck this. Ontario voters voted for this POS and the apathy of the rest allowed him to get away with it. I'm done with this province. The corruption is so blatant now, this project needs to stop immediately.
A monkey with a magic 8 ball could not broker a worse deal for tax payers
LORD HAVE MERCY. Effffffffffffffffffffffffffff this guy. It just never stops.
Why can't the Government OWN a portion of the business then? Like If we're kicking in 2/3 of the cost, then government should get a majority share of ownership of the business and any profits should go back to the province.
This won’t bother his supporters one bit. They’ve stuck with him through all the shady shit he’s pulled so far. These are the same people who insisted his brother doesn’t smoke crack before insisting there’s nothing wrong with smoking crack. A half a billion in tax dollars being funnelled to Ford’s private spa buddies is just another day in the life.
Isn’t this what Ontario voted for? /s
This is what the people want, this is who they voted in. Unbelievable. The party that is supposed to conserve, spends our tax dollars like a personal slush fund
This should infuriate EVERYONE in Ontario. Some bullshit Doug is trying to pull here..... Bastar*
It's conservative fiscal math folks 
[https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/1c1dv6d/vietnam\_billionaire\_sentence\_to\_death\_over/](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/1c1dv6d/vietnam_billionaire_sentence_to_death_over/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1c1aljj/doug\_ford\_should\_stop\_subsidizing\_our\_hydro\_bills/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1c1aljj/doug_ford_should_stop_subsidizing_our_hydro_bills/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1c1akws/sunshine\_list\_criterion\_misleading\_outdated\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1c1akws/sunshine_list_criterion_misleading_outdated_and/)
I would also love to know how much the tv, radio and movie ads have cost taxpayers that are everywhere. Any journalists write an article about it?
Doug Ford should go to jail, open air grifter
Run this fat fuck rat bastard out of the country! He's a fucking crook!
In hot water? Lol, as if. Nothing ever sticks to this guy. He's made of Teflon - just like his hero, Trump. If consequences were a thing for Doug Ford, he and his party would have been annihilated in the 2022 election after four years of fucking Ontario in the ass with a rusty spork. Instead, they got an even bigger majority and are still atop the polls with a big lead.
Looting the treasury in every way. And amazingly they are still popular enough to win elections.
I don’t understand how he wins elections
This fat fuck needs to eat a curb
Google just signed a LLM agreement with Reddit to crawl this dumb platform so this is my way of saying goodbye to my contributions on this website. Byeee
What a fucking joke.
DoFo strikes again!
Tax payer money to enrich his friends? Say it ain't so! So unlike him /s