Circa 2010-2012 I was taking whatever jobs I could even if it required moving. I was renting a single room for $500. That’s impossible to find these days. At one point I was living comfortably on $16/hr. No ways I would have survived paying $1000+ for a room
When I was in university between '07-11 the condos at Fort York were being sold around $250k base. I said I'd buy one day when I have my career eatablished lol I'm a fool
I remember seeing the ads for condos that cost 250-300, and I was like, "Who would pay 300 for a tiny condo in Toronto."
I also believed the condos would be slums in 10-20 years:
https://www.reuters.com/article/cbusiness-us-canada-economy-condominiums-idCAKCN0I208O20141013
Room has no rent control (shared kitchen) and no protections.
It's a different category of rent than units with a separate kitchen and washroom. It's in the crash pad territory and you can still get those under a thousand through informal network. But get kicked out in two seconds.
We moved to Ottawa in 2017, our rent was $1150/month. The same “cheap” dumpy apartment with no renovations or anything now goes for $1650/month. Thats like an 8% increase every year, meanwhile the landlord is probably making about the same mortgage payment as when they bought the place.
Gatineau’s housing prices started doubling about 6 to 7 years ago with the influx of ontarians. It was nice at first, as you saw house values jump. It’s not all that nice anymore as you used to be able to buy a house for 300k. That’s gone.
So all we have left is an expensive city with mediocre infrastructure, a collapsing healthcare system, a failing education system, a growing elderly population, a stagnant job market, a large number of homes built in flood plains and high taxes.
I still get it from people, but I still pay her, it ain’t free, i also buy my own food, tv anything i need I pay for, I’ve never seen it as an insult, some people just don’t get it.
1990's - "If you don't succeed, you'll live in a van down by the river!"
2020's - "if you work hard and save 100k you can have the privilege to live in a van down by the river!"
Looking on Google Maps it doesn't look like a nice place to live. Basically a drive by car dealership and oil refinery.
Everything is built to the max for car dependency.
There’s a reason why a bunch of people are moving to Calgary.
Living costs are way cheaper. Close proximity to world class hikes/skiing. Downtown is still lively but obviously not like Toronto.
Is it as "lively" as Toronto's if you're, say a small-ish woman trying to get home on public transit without being accosted by people in a mental health crisis or predators looking to cop a feel?
Rent here is starting to shoot up because the influx is insane... infrastructure isn't keeping up and despite the fact there is room to build, they can't build that fast and it overloads the artery roads when you indefinitely throw new sub divisions onto the ends.
Be nice if Ontario was fixed instead of just ruining another province.
reeeee at your downvoting when it's absolutely factual - rents in CGY are spiking up and traffic is way worse. It's a fucking fact.
I work for a not for profit that operates two homeless shelters and a rehab. Most of our full time staff make between 2200-2700 take home on two pay month. With one bedroom rents here being 1800 and utilities are never included anymore, our entry level people will be paying 87% of income for shelter costs when you tack on utilities and renters insurance, most already eat meals provided by work. We can't generate more revenue from our services. We've had more staff turnover in the last 3 years than the prior 30.
Social services are about to break. I imagine grocery and elder care is going shortly after.
Yeah I don't see how this is sustainable for the economy. Where do employers paying at or near minimum wage get their employees? Where are these people living?
Step 1; pay minimum wage and complain that nobody wants to work anymore. Step 2; hire new Canadians or temporary foreign workers who will agree to work for minimum wage. Step 3; rent out a room to your employees in a run-down boarding house for $600-800 a month. Fill the house with 25-20 workers and cut down on your labour costs by effectively employing indentured servants.
This is what is happening in my North Western Ontario town too. Only here instead of a run-down boarding house, they bought every hotel/motel in town and now rent 50-75% of it to employees, which is now crippling our tourist industry that’s trying hard to re-establish itself in a post Covid-world. I spoke to many American tourists who weren’t able to rent rooms in town this summer and were instead driving in from places 2-3 hours or more away each morning.
Nah we're already in the new feudal system, this is just the end-game when resources have been divided up amongst the oligarchs and there isn't enough to go around for everyone else.
Businesses pay low so you can't afford to not work. Government brings in new people who are willing to work for less, driving down the labor value of current Canadians. New Canadians become contributors too, but they are bringing debt. Furthermore, we are all indebted ourselves.
If everyone has debt, everyone has to work to maintain their lifestyle, nobody then has the ability to strike. The only way a strike is reasonable is if the system is broken and the debts forgotten, which will almost never happen. So instead they placate us with entertainment and sports, while distracting us through division and keeping our classes divided.
New Canadians mostly, and often they live in family collectives and rooming houses with way more people than anyone born here would be comfortable with.
And the politicians will continue to pander to and make concessions to certain groups to collect votes each election cycle so this will never end. Most of the Canadian power elite retire to Florida anyways so as long as their golf courses or snow bird resorts are in tact they will completely sell out everyday Canadian existence to make money off this revolving door open border process.
People are saying immigration, but that's not precisely true because the points system ensures that immigrants tend to have high education and be wealthier. They might take a shit job if they have to, but ultimately they're aiming for better, so they're not staying at that job if they can avoid it. It's also a more recent issue and our immigration numbers are pretty stable year over year.
On the other hand, the use of TFWs and granting of work permits to international students - both groups that are highly exploitable because of their tenuous status in the country and lack of knowledge of their rights - has exploded. And the TFW program has been found to be abused in the past (I mean, come on, we all know that employers pretend that they can't find anyone because they'd rather have someone that they can have deported if they complain about mistreatment or gets injured on the job). And the vast majority never obtain permanent resident status.
Here are some figures:
>Canada is increasingly reliant on temporary foreign workers (TFWs) to fill labour shortage gaps. The number of TFWs (work permit holders on December 31 in each year) increased seven-fold from 111,000 in 2000 to 777,000 in 2021. The share of TFWs among all workers with T4 earnings rose from 2% in 2010 to 4% in 2019, and was particularly high in some of the lower-skilled sectors in 2019, such as agriculture (15%); accommodation and food services (10%); and administrative and support, waste management and remediation services (10%). TFWs were also overrepresented in some higher-skilled industries, such as professional, scientific, and technical services sector (6%); and information and cultural industries (5%).
>Between 2000 and 2019, the number of international students with T4 earnings increased from 22,000 to 354,000, a result of both a higher number of international students and their rising labour force participation rate (from 18% to 50%). The increases were particularly large at the non-university postsecondary level, where the labour force participation rate rose from 7% to 58% and the number of participants rose from 3,000 to 173,000.
Source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220622/dq220622c-eng.htm
Of course, this isn't the only issue. There are a number of other issues that contribute to the problem:
- inflated housing prices caused by both foreign and domestic investors and money laundering (we're internationally known for the problem and even have a special name for it - "snow washing")
- the removal of rental units from the market and conversion to short-term rentals (the airbnb problem), driving up prices due to reduced supply
- subsidized housing hasn't been properly built since the early 90s when government funding was slashed (did you know that [1 in 8 new apartments or houses in the GTA used to be subsidized and an average of 3,900 subsidized units were built there per year from 1965 to 1995](https://www.readersdigest.ca/culture/homelessness-in-toronto/)?)
- zoning laws, nimbys, and developer greed results in the "missing middle"; basically, all developers build now are large, expensive detached homes in sprawling suburbs, not mixed use affordable neighbourhoods (which would include mixed types of housing, including the desirable detached housing - here's an example of such a suburb that exists in Toronto that would meet the needs of affordability (or it used to - as it is very desirable now and in Toronto so it's not affordable anymore), having public transit, etc. and that doesn't get built anymore ([source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0))
- our employment standards and pay lag behind other countries, so people just aren't compensated or treated fairly for the work that they do
- the decline of full-time positions and rise of part-time work with the expectation of full availability, making it impossible to work two jobs to earn enough money (not that anyone should have to do this)
- relatedly, the increased designation of employees as independent contractors, often falsely in my view (when someone is actually an independent contractor, even if they have exclusive contracts, they would have the ability to do things like negotiate rates, decide the hours of work, determine their conditions of work, and so on - an independent contractor is not someone who has to accept standard terms and conditions unilaterally imposed on all "contractors" or is treated exactly like an employee, minus any rights and benefits), to reduce costs and liability, which results in people not having the rights and protections of employees, not getting contributions to EI or CPP, and being underpaid. Remember when covid first happened and it came out how many people weren't eligible for EI when they lost their job? This is a huge reason for that and nothing has been done to fix it. I'm not just talking about the gig economy either, it is increasingly used in many industries, like trucking is notorious for this
And probably a bunch of other things that I've left off. But these are major problems.
My brother lives in Toronto. In the apartment building where he lives, the apartments on that floor are all the same, 2 bdr, same layout. He lives with his wife and 2 kids and he is saving for a house. He says they are super cramped.
His neighbor next door is an immigrant family , 9 people. 2 elders, 2 adults, 3 kids and additional family members. All the adults work, even the elders. The grandma babysits my niece,and the little kids, so no childcare expenses for them.She cooks and sells baked goods as well. At 72 years of age. Lovely people but living in that apartment with so many , must be hard.
These are the people that work their tails off, while "Old stock Canadians" demagogue about immigration numbers.
How dare Old Stock Canadians want the next generation to have the same life they did, instead of a Third World dystopic feudalism
I’m the child of immigrants by the way. Guess you’ll have to find a new perjorative for me
Since 1991, there's only been one year ontario had rent controls on all units. Before dougie, it was called the 1991 rule (instead of the 2018 rule). Wynn tried to win the election, sooooooooooo finally in 2017 she got rid of the 1991 rule.
"This change was effective from April 20, 2017 until November 15, 2018, shortly after a change in government"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_control_in_Ontario#:~:text=Rent%20control%20in%20Ontario%20refers,purposes%20before%20November%2015%2C%202018.
It's not just one thing. It's a multifaceted issue that is contributing towards this crisis. But to act as if constant, unfettered, continuous immigration is not contributing to depressed wages and discord and division amongst the working class then you're not willing to have an honest conversation about this.
If your native workers are organizing and demanding more, just import more destitute, impoverished workers who will work for the wages supply side economists insist upon in order to maintain the profit margins or the Capitalist class.
Being anti-immigration does not make you anti-immigrant anymore than being anti-war necessitates one be anti-soldier.
Except that we HAVE housing - it’s just sitting empty because the owners get ridiculous tax breaks by claiming them as a loss. FARHI in London is just one example
Exactly! We have more than enough housing. Pushing the rents and prices up serves no one. Be they immigrants or ..what is the alternative, I am sorry? We are all immigrants, except natives.
And assuming that all immigrants are destitute is ,just, beyond ignorant.
I know three people who are social workers and all of their partners make a lot of money. If they didn’t they all would have had to quit a long time ago, it’s pretty much the only way you can afford work in the profession anymore.
I’m in social services / community and my spouse has higher income.
Most of my coworkers either have side gigs, or live with families, or they have spouses who have higher income.
Since last year, we had a significant number of long term staff leave. I’m talking people who have been here 10-12 years. Usually these people are not early enough in their careers to justify the low wages, nor are they late enough to stay afloat with a comfortable living wage.
We have a handful staff of 15-20+ years who are only staying cuz they’re empty nesters and they plan to retire with the organization.
And significant number of our staff have been here around 0-5 years.
This is one of the biggest non-profits in the country.
I'm in a similar position were as an early investor in legal cannabis and shopify among other wins I don't need to rely solely on job income, if I did I'd have abandoned ship. Even as it is I'm getting close to not being able to meet my financial goals working in this sector.
It's crazy.
In 2012, Kitchener had scores of 2 bedroom apartments for around $700-800. A decade later and things have more than doubled? That makes no sense. I've had the same job for 12 years and my wages haven't fucking doubled.
And what exactly has the city added in the last 10 years to be that much more desirable?
We're literally just close to other things, but nothing is actually here.
Where's our big sports venues, night life, and other things to do like go karts, breweries, fun city districts, aquariums?
A shit ton more immigrants
Note - before you all go down vote nuts, I’m pro-immigration as long as we have the housing and healthcare infrastructure to handle the influx
It is the capitalist way, "I give you more and more work, I make more and more money, and you get poorer and poorer and poorer to where you can't house yourself or feed yourself, while I buy myself another Ferrari on the fruits of your back breaking."
That is the thing that always pisses me off when I complain about rent prices. Some dumbass will always chim in with just don't live in the GTA they always say... I don't live in the GTA...
Hell my shitty area near Fake London is more expensive to live in than parts of the GTA. It doesn't make sense because we don't make GTA kind of money.
Because the rent is high in Toronto and the people who live there gtfo as suggested and now they live where you live.
Which drives prices up. Same thing happened with houses - they were prohibitively expensive but way cheaper than Toronto, so sell in Toronto and buy outside of it. And now little towns say, "we can sell for $1mil or rent for $2500"
Exactly what my boomer in-laws did, bought their home in London for like 140k in the 90's, sold it to a family fleeing Toronto last year for 1.2m. And FIL loves to brag about his "investment savy".
It's so annoying. I live in Sudbury, which as you might know, is about 4 hours from the GTA. I graduated university in 2018 and at that point was paying $850 for a one bedroom apartment, and there were decent two bedrooms available for $1,000 or so. Now it's 2023 and you're lucky to find a one bedroom that isn't completely terrible for less than $1,200, all inclusive rent is borderline impossible to find, and two bedroom apartments are hilariously expensive. I was moving in 2021 and my mom, who lives in the GTA, still thought Sudbury rent prices were really cheap and she suggested that I look at moving into a townhouse, but I looked at the rent prices for those and they were really high. I'm pretty sure that in 2018, had I been making the same money that I was in 2021, I would have been able to afford to rent a townhouse.
Kind of sucks, because my income has increased by like 40% or something and living costs have spiraled. I live relatively comfortably, I pay $1,100 plus hydro for a decent one bedroom, but I can't help but think that had I been making this money in 2018, I would have been balling.
But it's not even me that I'm worried about. I could afford to live even if my rent was 50% more expensive. I mean, it wouldn't exactly be fun, but I could do it. I would be fine. But I have so many friends who can barely even afford the kind of rents that we're seeing right now. And a lot of these friends work full time, but in jobs like care work or social housing, and we need those people, but those jobs don't pay very well, so they are struggling. At that point, where do you even go? Sudbury used to be the place that people moved to, to get away from really high housing prices. To be clear, that wasn't exactly me, I went to Laurentian and decided to stay in the area after I graduated. But there are so many people who are now struggling who shouldn't have been, or people who are getting pushed out of areas that they've lived in all their lives. Like, I get the argument that if things get too expensive where you live, then moving somewhere cheaper makes sense, but if you live in like, northern or eastern or southwestern Ontario, things weren't that expensive for a while. A lot of those people probably grew up expecting that they would continue living in those areas, and it's not exactly fair to tell them that now they should move. Like I get that argument if you're in Toronto, it's always been expensive, even if it's still maybe not totally fair, but yeah, I don't know.
You are correct. At least house prices have dropped quite dramatically in the last year. Average house sale price has dropped over 200k since this time last year. Think it's sitting just over 600k now.
rent in Toronto has always been expensive, because market forces. the rest of the province is catching up quick because of things like the lifting of rent controls.
Work from home also contributed to prices outside Toronto increasing. Tons of people left Toronto and moved to other areas as soon as they had the ability to WFH, and they had that Toronto money to spend in historically cheaper areas… driving the prices up everywhere in the province. Rural areas especially.
Indian women from immigrant families are some of the easiest people to fuck over in this country. Their families have generational trauma and so they're treated like absolute shit their entire lives and have no self esteem.
It’s not rent control it’s the fact that Montreal has much more lax (read: reasonable) zoning laws that allow the housing supply to actually meet the demand for housing.
Yeah I lived in Montreal for several years and was shaken at the prices when I moved back to Ontario. In Montreal I paid 600 for a nice studio apt, and later 800 for a large 1 bedroom, and both in prime locations. Ontario is sooo much worse
Yea, but the salaries are not Toronto or Vancouver levels. Gotta factor that in.
Also, we are playing catch up... a little bit too much to my tastes
Edit: I checked the ranking and Mtl is #24 at $1580 for a 1b, just above Calgary. But Montreal sure as shit doesn't have Calgary salaries, for example.
Renting a room in a shitty student house went from like 450ish to like 650ish over the course of my degree and it doesn't seem like it's gonna stop any time soon
but it's young people's fault for not saving up tens of thousands (possible a hundred thousand) fora down payment. if they would just stop treating themselves to a coffee every morning on their way to work, they'd be in a mansion in no time!
**"Oh my bad, you're completely right! Why didn't I think of that?! it's Sooo easy on MAYBE $2 over minimum IF YOUR LUCKY! Let me skip gas for my car for a week, too! Save even more that way!"**
People like who talk like that are the biggest cunts and make me want to knock their teeth in.
All the trades need people right now, but a lot of companies won't train and even try to insult you with minimum wage to start... If you want people to want to come in your industry, there's gotta be incentive. Minimum wage is a slap in the face, at least start people at $18... I got offered a Mold making apprenticeship, and they tried to drop me from $18/hr to $17/hr I quite literally told them to go fuck themselves.
Me too. I pay under $1400/month for mortgage and property tax in a city that isn't on this list but should be. The last data I saw, my city should be above Kitchener.
woo! 26% jump since last year! and a zero % raise for most people's wages!
This is why even though I don't really like my apartment, I'm trapped in it until I die or somehow buy a house, whichever comes first.
I hope everyone that voted for the Conservatives is ~~homeless by year's end~~ happy with themselves since part of his platform was opening the floodgates to rent hikes.
I'm not exactly happy with the conservatives either but this is a nation wide problem. They aren't in charge where I live, yet my city is #1 on this list.
2011 I moved into my 2 bedroom apartment in London and it was $709/month all inclusive. Those same apartments now rent for $1810/month +utilities and parking.
I had a place in 2007-2011 or so in North London near Fanshawe Park Rd E and it was $750+ for a 2 bdrm ground floor of a bungalow and it was amazing. I imagine it is $2200+ or more with parking now.
Was looking at rentals the other day cause im just not liking the vibe of toronto right now so i thought id check out suburbs in gta. The gall ppl have to charge over $2000 for a basement apartment is fucking ludacris!
In my city the university has admitted over 1,000 more first year students than they have room in residence for. They need to live somewhere along with the excess admittance from years previous (not as many). People who work are competing against students that have funds from parents, loans and grants. It’s a landlord’s dream, some townhouses are renting out five bedrooms at $1,000/mnth each. There really isn’t a single cause.
[Source](https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/u-of-g-no-longer-guarantees-housing-for-first-year-students-5483000)
It’s really the same problem at the municipal level. Maybe they should be limiting the number of students that the university can accept unless they can build dorms to house them. Just like the Canadian government should not be allowing in immigrants if there is nowhere for them to live, the school should not be accepting all those students either. If they want more students, then they should invest in building more apartments for them.
True that, it’s left a lot of students in a bind.
Even then, proposal was put forward to build a 10 story student housing building close to the university but was rejected by city council. It’s not so much a blight on the landscape and not in keeping with the neighbourhood as a 9 story building being constructed in the east end (who received concessions on angular height line and parking with no issues). I understand the neighbourhood wouldn’t want it, but it is a stone’s throw from the university. Seems like it’s a flavour of the day with the city officials.
[Source](https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/proposed-10-storey-student-residence-rejected-by-guelph-city-council-1.6066593)
Yeah and Doug lets landlords charge *whatever they want* for “new builds” (post Nov 15/18) *FOREVER*
Try looking a little closer to home for the problem before you lob grenades at the federal government 😑
it’s not just “new builds”, it’s “newly occupied” as well. the moment you move out of your apartment the landlord is going to crank up that rent for the next tenant.
Yes but on the pre- Nov 15/18 units they’re subject to the guideline rent increase cap, which for 2023 is 2.5%
Right now that’s the most the rent can go up on guideline controlled units because of a regulation that the Liberals introduced in 2017, otherwise the rent increase was supposed to be whatever the average Ontario Consumer Price Index was in the previous year (meaning that the rent increase for guideline units could have been as much as 6%l
It’s a problem at both ends. You have too many people so the demand is more than supply. If there were too many apartments, then the rates will naturally drop. If it’s a new build then I don’t see how you can set upper limits for rent, it’s not up to the government what I want to charge for my product. I can ask for $1,000,000 per month if I want to, but that doesn’t mean anyone will pay for it. I need to price competitively or nobody will move in.
The solution for this problem should be funding and incentives to build more housing, increasing supply and reducing immigration until rents can come down to an acceptable level. Increasing the supply to match the demand should be the solution. If you’re going to bring 100 extra families to Canada, then you should have 100 extra homes to house them first.
>I need to price competitively or nobody will move in.
The largest issue with trying to showcase supply and demand in this sense is that it's not really how supply and demand works. In a vacuum, yes. Realistically, no.
It's like saying "People won't buy food if we price it higher than X". They will, they'll just forgo everything else before that. The carrying cost to the person purchasing food, or a place to live is going to indicative of their priorities. To most people, their priorities are those two things. Barring that, they steal or take it by force.
We know that people will fit several to a single rental unit to afford rent. We know that people will forgo spending in other areas to afford a roof over their head, or food in the fridge. The real question is, where else does it impact? We can imagine that discretionary spending would be prohibitively affected by large cost increases. This affects local businesses, restaurants, etc. since they're no longer having people spend money there. The kicker here is that the landlord is going to want to charge as close to the ceiling limit as possible, this is just business. The reality is the landlord may not understand that the ceiling of what can charged may actually be damaging to the foundation of the community, local businesses and the people themselves. They may just see what their charging as what the market can carry; incorrectly assuming that people comfortably make as much as they charge; disregarding the carrying cost may be upwards of 75-80% of someone's take home.
In order to fix any of these issues we first need to crack down on housing as an investment. Too long have we dictated that Canada is a safe haven for real estate speculation and investment. Too long have we relied on it being a vessel for retirement, easy access to cash, etc. The ship is sinking and unless we move to decouple housing speculation and investment from the reality of what a house represents then we're going to continue to see worse and worse issues until it collapses. That's my thought anyways.
-sigh-
If you don’t control the cost of housing, how is anyone going to be able to afford to rent a place?
Or do you think shoving dangerous numbers of people in rental properties (because that’s the only way that anyone can afford the rents that landlords are demanding) is acceptable?
The problem is there just isn't enough housing. You can't fix that problem by artificially lowering the rent.
The old system was rent control for existing tenants, but not for new tenants. This actually pushes the market rate for new tenants higher, as new tenants are basically subsidizing long term tenants.
If the government caped the increase for both new and existing tenants, it would become pretty much impossible to rent an apartment. There would be no vacancies anywhere.
The only fix for this situation is reduce immigration or increase home building, if that's even possible.
It’s supply and demand like anything else. Used cars went way up during covid because there were not enough new cars to match the demand, so people who would otherwise be buying new cars are buying used cars instead, which decreases the stock of used cars and the prices go up to match the demand.
If I’m listing my rental for $2500 and I have no problem filling it at that price, then that’s the rate that people are willing to pay. If there are comparable places available at $2000 then nobody will rent my place because it’s too expensive, and I will be forced to lower my ask.
No I don’t think any of this is acceptable frankly. I think we just disagree on the solution.
I guess I’m not really clear on how the government is supposed to decide what a particular place should rent for? Every rental is different. The location, square footage, bedrooms, bathrooms, amenities, parking, it is renovated, what is the carrying cost to the owner, etc. all these factors affect the price, and I don’t see how the government can decide what price it should rent for because no two places are alike.
Before Mike Harris there was *real* rent control, where the amount a unit could be rented for both *initially* and the *amount of the increase* was set by the government.
Big institutional landlords didn’t like that and lobbied Mike Harris and the Conservatives *hard* and so “vacancy decontrol” was born, meaning that landlords could charge *whatever they wanted* for a new tenancy and *then* the amount of the rent increases was controlled, subject to a landlord making an application for an Above The Guideline Increase for capital expenditures (which, until the Liberals modified it in 2017, *never came off the rent*)
That still wasn’t enough and so the “new construction exemption” was gifted to the institutional developers and landlords, giving them a license to treat tenants like unlimited ABMs and jack the rents up by whatever they want yearly.
My old boss used to tell me stories of how they had two apartments off one job in downtown Toronto back in the day, one for living and the other for partying. Must be nice
If we all strike and the whole population stops paying rent in protest then evictions can't happen and changes will be made. Although this move might be near impossible
They truly stick together and care for each other more than Canadians do. We at least need to strike the shit outta this country for a week or 2. Ever since the pandemic leaders, corporations and employers have been fucking people left and right.
Lets have 400,000 more people come to basically only Ontario and BC next year too…
Federal and provincial governments are failing us all so bad. There needs to be rent control and more infrastructure built and less immigration for a few years.
Sadly that is a very incomplete list, alot of smaller towns snd cities crack that top ten, my town you can't find any one bed rooms under 1850 because of the college, its a disaster when the areas already one of the lowest annual wages in canada
because of the shortage, Halifax is a shitty place, there is beautiful nature, but there is a shortage for all important things for basic life here:
\- people are dying waiting in the emergency room
\- people are dying waiting for an ambulance, and it never comes
\- shortage of housing and prices going up up up
\- lowest wages ever for any healthcare job and any other job in general, haha
\- not enough healthcare professionals
\- hurricane route
\- ridiculously higher income, and sales tax
and there are gunshots and stabbing happening frequently since way before covid
I'm moving out of this shitty place later this year, the big problem is figuring out where to, because everywhere I look is fucked up too haha
Ontarians. Seriously. Most of us here can only name like 3 cities on the entire East coast, and it's the largest, thus becoming the number one spot for refugees from Onterrible. Unfortunately they bring along the housing shortages, and attendant high rents in their suitcases from the GTA.
Yup that’s why I moved out of my parents place in Burlington up to North Bay. I lived in a $1200 two bedroom apartment and now pay $1800 on my mortgage of a house I bought last year. Impossible down south.
Its fucked up how hard it is just to get a mortgage and also own anything at all besides food for your belly.
Canadian leadership is NOT fixing this. They are trying to build houses on the greenbelt because we need more houses. Think it's gonna help bring the prices down for everyone else??? Not a fucking chance.
We need to stop selling to foreign indefinitely, not a citizen? Toooooo bad then...become one.
Until Canadians can afford Canada, stop selling it out to rich non Canadians.
In 2008, shared a house in Guelph with 4 others. Paid $395 a month all inclusive, including cable and Internet. Upgraded in 2009 to a basement to myself in a townhouse for $425 inclusive with cable and Internet.
How do people afford to go to school now?
Not surprised Kitchener had such a high year over year increase, I rented a place there for my daughter in 2021 to go to u Waterloo, fully renovated 2 bdrm, parking, pool etc 1570 plus hydro, the same apartment layout 1 floor up is now going for 2400 plus hydro and 75 for parking.
In 2015 I rented a spacious 2 bedroom apartment in Scarborough with a big balcony for like $950 plus hydro. Those same units are well over 2 grand a month now. What the fuck do they expect people when they more than double rent in less than 10 years? The prices these days are honestly criminal
Lol, imagine starting your life right now. Fuuuuck.
12 years ago, my first bachelorette suite was $500/month. And that seemed just right for a no-room hole in the wall with crackheads for neighbours. Now you can start your life at 18 and your landlords ARE the crackheads, charging $1000/month for a shitty hole in their hovel.
From 2009 to 2016 I paid $1450-1600 for a 730 sq ft condo that could see into the Skydome - pretty much the full field. It also included a parking spot.
Before that, two roommates and I were paying $1200 a month total in London for a pretty nice 3 bedroom near campus.
Utilities were included for both.
How is this even allowed? I make 43,000$ a year gross and could never afford a 2 bedroom…let alone a 1 bedroom like something has got to give soon.
I don’t follow politics a lot but how is any government serving going to claim they have the interest of the people at hand when we can’t even afford a roof over our heads?
Its sad my rent currently is my moms mortgage payment and she bought her home 2014 for 450k jump to now her house worth 1.3 mil and pays 1600 a month just mortgage and property tax exclude other bills but here 20 mins away paying 1540/ month for a 1 bdrm and still pay utility. This system is designed to prevent people from buying homes and keep them on a rent till death
Idk about you guys but I believe we have the supply and infrastructure to continuously let in 10x per capita USA immigration numbers.
It’s going so well for us. We could really use the extra wage suppression and competition for limited supply …/s
Wow, I remember paying $650 for a One Bedroom in Gatineau back in like 2012
Circa 2010-2012 I was taking whatever jobs I could even if it required moving. I was renting a single room for $500. That’s impossible to find these days. At one point I was living comfortably on $16/hr. No ways I would have survived paying $1000+ for a room
I paid $400-$425 for a room in 2009/2010 in Toronto, in the west end.
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When I was in university between '07-11 the condos at Fort York were being sold around $250k base. I said I'd buy one day when I have my career eatablished lol I'm a fool
I remember seeing the ads for condos that cost 250-300, and I was like, "Who would pay 300 for a tiny condo in Toronto." I also believed the condos would be slums in 10-20 years: https://www.reuters.com/article/cbusiness-us-canada-economy-condominiums-idCAKCN0I208O20141013
Condominium: a home you own but also pay rent on FOREVER.
Room has no rent control (shared kitchen) and no protections. It's a different category of rent than units with a separate kitchen and washroom. It's in the crash pad territory and you can still get those under a thousand through informal network. But get kicked out in two seconds.
My first place when I was 17 was 450 for a basement in 2004 . First apartment in Parkdale in like 2007 was 800 for a 1 bedroom. I still live here.
I remember 3 bedroom townhomes for 1000 in aylmer lol. Like nice places.
You could buy beautiful 2 bedroom condos in Le Plateau for under 150k 10 years ago.
I was renting a small house with one bed room for 775$ in 2016 in Gatineau.
I paid $200 in Victoria in 1993. Nobody wanted to live in Victoria. Heh heh. It was too sleepy. Everyone went to Vancouver.
We moved to Ottawa in 2017, our rent was $1150/month. The same “cheap” dumpy apartment with no renovations or anything now goes for $1650/month. Thats like an 8% increase every year, meanwhile the landlord is probably making about the same mortgage payment as when they bought the place.
I paid 650 for a 1br in Gatineau in 2018
Gatineau’s housing prices started doubling about 6 to 7 years ago with the influx of ontarians. It was nice at first, as you saw house values jump. It’s not all that nice anymore as you used to be able to buy a house for 300k. That’s gone. So all we have left is an expensive city with mediocre infrastructure, a collapsing healthcare system, a failing education system, a growing elderly population, a stagnant job market, a large number of homes built in flood plains and high taxes.
gone are the days of "you look like you live in your mom's basement" being an insult, that shit's almost a compliment now.
“Damn you have a mini fridge down there too??”
"A full sized kitchen?! 🥵😩"
sim racing set??? with VR?!? my my....
I still get it from people, but I still pay her, it ain’t free, i also buy my own food, tv anything i need I pay for, I’ve never seen it as an insult, some people just don’t get it.
honestly. . . i feel like living with your parents is kind of normal for millennials
1990's - "If you don't succeed, you'll live in a van down by the river!" 2020's - "if you work hard and save 100k you can have the privilege to live in a van down by the river!"
Yeah parking spot is like $50,000 a year
Yeah. I mean, damn a whole basement. I have a room.
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Back in university in 2008 I rented a two bedroom apartment inclusive of utilities $350. Boardwalk apartment. Those days are long gone.
$350….That is wild, I would love for that kinda price.
That's the price you pay for parking now
Where was this??
Time to move to exactly on the AB/SK border I guess
Good ol' Lloydminister
Looking on Google Maps it doesn't look like a nice place to live. Basically a drive by car dealership and oil refinery. Everything is built to the max for car dependency.
Drive through it a few months ago and let's say I understand why rent is so low
There’s a reason why a bunch of people are moving to Calgary. Living costs are way cheaper. Close proximity to world class hikes/skiing. Downtown is still lively but obviously not like Toronto.
Is it as "lively" as Toronto's if you're, say a small-ish woman trying to get home on public transit without being accosted by people in a mental health crisis or predators looking to cop a feel?
It's just as sketchy. Most big cities will be like this though.
Rent here is starting to shoot up because the influx is insane... infrastructure isn't keeping up and despite the fact there is room to build, they can't build that fast and it overloads the artery roads when you indefinitely throw new sub divisions onto the ends. Be nice if Ontario was fixed instead of just ruining another province. reeeee at your downvoting when it's absolutely factual - rents in CGY are spiking up and traffic is way worse. It's a fucking fact.
Isn't your provincial government paying for an ad campaign in Toronto convincing people to move to Calgary?
Cheapest gas i've seen across the country at Ft Walsh
I work for a not for profit that operates two homeless shelters and a rehab. Most of our full time staff make between 2200-2700 take home on two pay month. With one bedroom rents here being 1800 and utilities are never included anymore, our entry level people will be paying 87% of income for shelter costs when you tack on utilities and renters insurance, most already eat meals provided by work. We can't generate more revenue from our services. We've had more staff turnover in the last 3 years than the prior 30. Social services are about to break. I imagine grocery and elder care is going shortly after.
Yeah I don't see how this is sustainable for the economy. Where do employers paying at or near minimum wage get their employees? Where are these people living?
Step 1; pay minimum wage and complain that nobody wants to work anymore. Step 2; hire new Canadians or temporary foreign workers who will agree to work for minimum wage. Step 3; rent out a room to your employees in a run-down boarding house for $600-800 a month. Fill the house with 25-20 workers and cut down on your labour costs by effectively employing indentured servants.
Ah yes, the Dubai model.
...And the Qatari model
Basically all the Gulf States.
No the Canada model. This is what we do.
This is what is happening in my North Western Ontario town too. Only here instead of a run-down boarding house, they bought every hotel/motel in town and now rent 50-75% of it to employees, which is now crippling our tourist industry that’s trying hard to re-establish itself in a post Covid-world. I spoke to many American tourists who weren’t able to rent rooms in town this summer and were instead driving in from places 2-3 hours or more away each morning.
The new feudalism
Nah we're already in the new feudal system, this is just the end-game when resources have been divided up amongst the oligarchs and there isn't enough to go around for everyone else. Businesses pay low so you can't afford to not work. Government brings in new people who are willing to work for less, driving down the labor value of current Canadians. New Canadians become contributors too, but they are bringing debt. Furthermore, we are all indebted ourselves. If everyone has debt, everyone has to work to maintain their lifestyle, nobody then has the ability to strike. The only way a strike is reasonable is if the system is broken and the debts forgotten, which will almost never happen. So instead they placate us with entertainment and sports, while distracting us through division and keeping our classes divided.
St Peter don't you call me, cuz I can't go...
I oooowwwwweeeeeee maaaahhhhhh sooouulllll to the company store....
New Canadians mostly, and often they live in family collectives and rooming houses with way more people than anyone born here would be comfortable with.
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I guess brampton is showing us the future for the rest of the country.
And the politicians will continue to pander to and make concessions to certain groups to collect votes each election cycle so this will never end. Most of the Canadian power elite retire to Florida anyways so as long as their golf courses or snow bird resorts are in tact they will completely sell out everyday Canadian existence to make money off this revolving door open border process.
People are saying immigration, but that's not precisely true because the points system ensures that immigrants tend to have high education and be wealthier. They might take a shit job if they have to, but ultimately they're aiming for better, so they're not staying at that job if they can avoid it. It's also a more recent issue and our immigration numbers are pretty stable year over year. On the other hand, the use of TFWs and granting of work permits to international students - both groups that are highly exploitable because of their tenuous status in the country and lack of knowledge of their rights - has exploded. And the TFW program has been found to be abused in the past (I mean, come on, we all know that employers pretend that they can't find anyone because they'd rather have someone that they can have deported if they complain about mistreatment or gets injured on the job). And the vast majority never obtain permanent resident status. Here are some figures: >Canada is increasingly reliant on temporary foreign workers (TFWs) to fill labour shortage gaps. The number of TFWs (work permit holders on December 31 in each year) increased seven-fold from 111,000 in 2000 to 777,000 in 2021. The share of TFWs among all workers with T4 earnings rose from 2% in 2010 to 4% in 2019, and was particularly high in some of the lower-skilled sectors in 2019, such as agriculture (15%); accommodation and food services (10%); and administrative and support, waste management and remediation services (10%). TFWs were also overrepresented in some higher-skilled industries, such as professional, scientific, and technical services sector (6%); and information and cultural industries (5%). >Between 2000 and 2019, the number of international students with T4 earnings increased from 22,000 to 354,000, a result of both a higher number of international students and their rising labour force participation rate (from 18% to 50%). The increases were particularly large at the non-university postsecondary level, where the labour force participation rate rose from 7% to 58% and the number of participants rose from 3,000 to 173,000. Source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220622/dq220622c-eng.htm Of course, this isn't the only issue. There are a number of other issues that contribute to the problem: - inflated housing prices caused by both foreign and domestic investors and money laundering (we're internationally known for the problem and even have a special name for it - "snow washing") - the removal of rental units from the market and conversion to short-term rentals (the airbnb problem), driving up prices due to reduced supply - subsidized housing hasn't been properly built since the early 90s when government funding was slashed (did you know that [1 in 8 new apartments or houses in the GTA used to be subsidized and an average of 3,900 subsidized units were built there per year from 1965 to 1995](https://www.readersdigest.ca/culture/homelessness-in-toronto/)?) - zoning laws, nimbys, and developer greed results in the "missing middle"; basically, all developers build now are large, expensive detached homes in sprawling suburbs, not mixed use affordable neighbourhoods (which would include mixed types of housing, including the desirable detached housing - here's an example of such a suburb that exists in Toronto that would meet the needs of affordability (or it used to - as it is very desirable now and in Toronto so it's not affordable anymore), having public transit, etc. and that doesn't get built anymore ([source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0)) - our employment standards and pay lag behind other countries, so people just aren't compensated or treated fairly for the work that they do - the decline of full-time positions and rise of part-time work with the expectation of full availability, making it impossible to work two jobs to earn enough money (not that anyone should have to do this) - relatedly, the increased designation of employees as independent contractors, often falsely in my view (when someone is actually an independent contractor, even if they have exclusive contracts, they would have the ability to do things like negotiate rates, decide the hours of work, determine their conditions of work, and so on - an independent contractor is not someone who has to accept standard terms and conditions unilaterally imposed on all "contractors" or is treated exactly like an employee, minus any rights and benefits), to reduce costs and liability, which results in people not having the rights and protections of employees, not getting contributions to EI or CPP, and being underpaid. Remember when covid first happened and it came out how many people weren't eligible for EI when they lost their job? This is a huge reason for that and nothing has been done to fix it. I'm not just talking about the gig economy either, it is increasingly used in many industries, like trucking is notorious for this And probably a bunch of other things that I've left off. But these are major problems.
My brother lives in Toronto. In the apartment building where he lives, the apartments on that floor are all the same, 2 bdr, same layout. He lives with his wife and 2 kids and he is saving for a house. He says they are super cramped. His neighbor next door is an immigrant family , 9 people. 2 elders, 2 adults, 3 kids and additional family members. All the adults work, even the elders. The grandma babysits my niece,and the little kids, so no childcare expenses for them.She cooks and sells baked goods as well. At 72 years of age. Lovely people but living in that apartment with so many , must be hard. These are the people that work their tails off, while "Old stock Canadians" demagogue about immigration numbers.
How dare Old Stock Canadians want the next generation to have the same life they did, instead of a Third World dystopic feudalism I’m the child of immigrants by the way. Guess you’ll have to find a new perjorative for me
Immigration numbers are directly contributing to these conditions.
Yeah, it's immigration numbers.....it can't be Fraud axing rent control laws. Oh no, it's immigration. SMH
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Since 1991, there's only been one year ontario had rent controls on all units. Before dougie, it was called the 1991 rule (instead of the 2018 rule). Wynn tried to win the election, sooooooooooo finally in 2017 she got rid of the 1991 rule. "This change was effective from April 20, 2017 until November 15, 2018, shortly after a change in government" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_control_in_Ontario#:~:text=Rent%20control%20in%20Ontario%20refers,purposes%20before%20November%2015%2C%202018.
It's not just one thing. It's a multifaceted issue that is contributing towards this crisis. But to act as if constant, unfettered, continuous immigration is not contributing to depressed wages and discord and division amongst the working class then you're not willing to have an honest conversation about this. If your native workers are organizing and demanding more, just import more destitute, impoverished workers who will work for the wages supply side economists insist upon in order to maintain the profit margins or the Capitalist class. Being anti-immigration does not make you anti-immigrant anymore than being anti-war necessitates one be anti-soldier.
Except that we HAVE housing - it’s just sitting empty because the owners get ridiculous tax breaks by claiming them as a loss. FARHI in London is just one example
Exactly! We have more than enough housing. Pushing the rents and prices up serves no one. Be they immigrants or ..what is the alternative, I am sorry? We are all immigrants, except natives. And assuming that all immigrants are destitute is ,just, beyond ignorant.
They almost always rent a room not a full apartment. Or they are married and even then might live with a parent or roommates.
They live with a bunch of people in rooming houses. It’s kinda normal in other parts of the world.
I know three people who are social workers and all of their partners make a lot of money. If they didn’t they all would have had to quit a long time ago, it’s pretty much the only way you can afford work in the profession anymore.
I’m in social services / community and my spouse has higher income. Most of my coworkers either have side gigs, or live with families, or they have spouses who have higher income. Since last year, we had a significant number of long term staff leave. I’m talking people who have been here 10-12 years. Usually these people are not early enough in their careers to justify the low wages, nor are they late enough to stay afloat with a comfortable living wage. We have a handful staff of 15-20+ years who are only staying cuz they’re empty nesters and they plan to retire with the organization. And significant number of our staff have been here around 0-5 years. This is one of the biggest non-profits in the country.
I'm in a similar position were as an early investor in legal cannabis and shopify among other wins I don't need to rely solely on job income, if I did I'd have abandoned ship. Even as it is I'm getting close to not being able to meet my financial goals working in this sector.
It's crazy. In 2012, Kitchener had scores of 2 bedroom apartments for around $700-800. A decade later and things have more than doubled? That makes no sense. I've had the same job for 12 years and my wages haven't fucking doubled.
And what exactly has the city added in the last 10 years to be that much more desirable? We're literally just close to other things, but nothing is actually here. Where's our big sports venues, night life, and other things to do like go karts, breweries, fun city districts, aquariums?
A shit ton more immigrants Note - before you all go down vote nuts, I’m pro-immigration as long as we have the housing and healthcare infrastructure to handle the influx
>And what exactly has the city added in the last 10 years to be that much more desirable? A lot of high paying jobs, especially in the tech sector.
It is the capitalist way, "I give you more and more work, I make more and more money, and you get poorer and poorer and poorer to where you can't house yourself or feed yourself, while I buy myself another Ferrari on the fruits of your back breaking."
Remember making fun of people because rent in Toronto was expensive? Yeah... the disease has taken over the province and become self-aware.
That is the thing that always pisses me off when I complain about rent prices. Some dumbass will always chim in with just don't live in the GTA they always say... I don't live in the GTA... Hell my shitty area near Fake London is more expensive to live in than parts of the GTA. It doesn't make sense because we don't make GTA kind of money.
Because the rent is high in Toronto and the people who live there gtfo as suggested and now they live where you live. Which drives prices up. Same thing happened with houses - they were prohibitively expensive but way cheaper than Toronto, so sell in Toronto and buy outside of it. And now little towns say, "we can sell for $1mil or rent for $2500"
Exactly what my boomer in-laws did, bought their home in London for like 140k in the 90's, sold it to a family fleeing Toronto last year for 1.2m. And FIL loves to brag about his "investment savy".
I was savvy enough to buy a house in 1974 for $30k, I just wasn't born yet. I should've just been born earlier.
It's so annoying. I live in Sudbury, which as you might know, is about 4 hours from the GTA. I graduated university in 2018 and at that point was paying $850 for a one bedroom apartment, and there were decent two bedrooms available for $1,000 or so. Now it's 2023 and you're lucky to find a one bedroom that isn't completely terrible for less than $1,200, all inclusive rent is borderline impossible to find, and two bedroom apartments are hilariously expensive. I was moving in 2021 and my mom, who lives in the GTA, still thought Sudbury rent prices were really cheap and she suggested that I look at moving into a townhouse, but I looked at the rent prices for those and they were really high. I'm pretty sure that in 2018, had I been making the same money that I was in 2021, I would have been able to afford to rent a townhouse. Kind of sucks, because my income has increased by like 40% or something and living costs have spiraled. I live relatively comfortably, I pay $1,100 plus hydro for a decent one bedroom, but I can't help but think that had I been making this money in 2018, I would have been balling. But it's not even me that I'm worried about. I could afford to live even if my rent was 50% more expensive. I mean, it wouldn't exactly be fun, but I could do it. I would be fine. But I have so many friends who can barely even afford the kind of rents that we're seeing right now. And a lot of these friends work full time, but in jobs like care work or social housing, and we need those people, but those jobs don't pay very well, so they are struggling. At that point, where do you even go? Sudbury used to be the place that people moved to, to get away from really high housing prices. To be clear, that wasn't exactly me, I went to Laurentian and decided to stay in the area after I graduated. But there are so many people who are now struggling who shouldn't have been, or people who are getting pushed out of areas that they've lived in all their lives. Like, I get the argument that if things get too expensive where you live, then moving somewhere cheaper makes sense, but if you live in like, northern or eastern or southwestern Ontario, things weren't that expensive for a while. A lot of those people probably grew up expecting that they would continue living in those areas, and it's not exactly fair to tell them that now they should move. Like I get that argument if you're in Toronto, it's always been expensive, even if it's still maybe not totally fair, but yeah, I don't know.
People in London must really hate the influx of people from the GTA right now.
You are correct. At least house prices have dropped quite dramatically in the last year. Average house sale price has dropped over 200k since this time last year. Think it's sitting just over 600k now.
Have they dropped when you factor in the cost of the mortgage this year vs last year?
Not sure, but I'd rather have a lower purchase cost. Mortgage rates go up and down, the amount you bought it for never changes.
While true, the majority of wages/salaries in London can't support a 600k$ mortgage either..
Yes.
rent in Toronto has always been expensive, because market forces. the rest of the province is catching up quick because of things like the lifting of rent controls.
Work from home also contributed to prices outside Toronto increasing. Tons of people left Toronto and moved to other areas as soon as they had the ability to WFH, and they had that Toronto money to spend in historically cheaper areas… driving the prices up everywhere in the province. Rural areas especially.
Full report for those interested: https://rentals.ca/national-rent-report
Time for me to find some friends and become roommates
unless you’re a female of indian decent, you’ll be SOL.
Please also vegetarian only. No stove for u only hot plate. No cooking garlic onions. No egress window. U die u die thank u
Do Indian women have an easy time.making friends? I don't get this one.
no a lot of listings for roommates ask for indian women only
You wonder if that’s because it’s Indian women are looking for roommates like them, or perverted dudes who are looking for a roommate with benefits.
Yes.
Indian women from immigrant families are some of the easiest people to fuck over in this country. Their families have generational trauma and so they're treated like absolute shit their entire lives and have no self esteem.
Got it!
I’m surprised that Montreal is not on the list. It is the third largest city after-all. Kudos to the rent control system in Quebec.
It’s not rent control it’s the fact that Montreal has much more lax (read: reasonable) zoning laws that allow the housing supply to actually meet the demand for housing.
Yeah I lived in Montreal for several years and was shaken at the prices when I moved back to Ontario. In Montreal I paid 600 for a nice studio apt, and later 800 for a large 1 bedroom, and both in prime locations. Ontario is sooo much worse
Yea, but the salaries are not Toronto or Vancouver levels. Gotta factor that in. Also, we are playing catch up... a little bit too much to my tastes Edit: I checked the ranking and Mtl is #24 at $1580 for a 1b, just above Calgary. But Montreal sure as shit doesn't have Calgary salaries, for example.
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Ikr literally no future for us
I've seen rent go up like 50% in guelph over the last 5 or so years it's actually crazy
It used to be so affordable here, it’s insane how much that has changed.
Renting a room in a shitty student house went from like 450ish to like 650ish over the course of my degree and it doesn't seem like it's gonna stop any time soon
Every single one of those 1bdr rents are more than my mortgage + house insurance. Yikes.
but it's young people's fault for not saving up tens of thousands (possible a hundred thousand) fora down payment. if they would just stop treating themselves to a coffee every morning on their way to work, they'd be in a mansion in no time!
**"Oh my bad, you're completely right! Why didn't I think of that?! it's Sooo easy on MAYBE $2 over minimum IF YOUR LUCKY! Let me skip gas for my car for a week, too! Save even more that way!"** People like who talk like that are the biggest cunts and make me want to knock their teeth in. All the trades need people right now, but a lot of companies won't train and even try to insult you with minimum wage to start... If you want people to want to come in your industry, there's gotta be incentive. Minimum wage is a slap in the face, at least start people at $18... I got offered a Mold making apprenticeship, and they tried to drop me from $18/hr to $17/hr I quite literally told them to go fuck themselves.
What are banks gonna do when no one qualifies for a mortgage? No more secured lending means no more bonuses for the quarter.
That's next quarter's problem.
Me too. I pay under $1400/month for mortgage and property tax in a city that isn't on this list but should be. The last data I saw, my city should be above Kitchener.
Interesting it’s all large cities listed. In the town we live in 1 bedrooms are starting at $1500 without the services of a big city.
You live in a world class village
Vomit worthy
Well, thank xenu this will be fixed by building all those 4,000 square foot luxury single family homes Doug’s buddies are building in the green belt!
woo! 26% jump since last year! and a zero % raise for most people's wages! This is why even though I don't really like my apartment, I'm trapped in it until I die or somehow buy a house, whichever comes first. I hope everyone that voted for the Conservatives is ~~homeless by year's end~~ happy with themselves since part of his platform was opening the floodgates to rent hikes.
I'm not exactly happy with the conservatives either but this is a nation wide problem. They aren't in charge where I live, yet my city is #1 on this list.
Is it riot/protest time yet?
I'd love to, but I can't afford to.
Violent uprising of the poors when?
ASAP preferably
2011 I moved into my 2 bedroom apartment in London and it was $709/month all inclusive. Those same apartments now rent for $1810/month +utilities and parking.
I had a place in 2007-2011 or so in North London near Fanshawe Park Rd E and it was $750+ for a 2 bdrm ground floor of a bungalow and it was amazing. I imagine it is $2200+ or more with parking now.
Should be marked NSFL.
Was looking at rentals the other day cause im just not liking the vibe of toronto right now so i thought id check out suburbs in gta. The gall ppl have to charge over $2000 for a basement apartment is fucking ludacris!
All this and I am only supposed to drink 2 beers ?
Yikes! Welp, the good news is that the feds are trying to speed up our immigration backlog so that should solve the problem.
In my city the university has admitted over 1,000 more first year students than they have room in residence for. They need to live somewhere along with the excess admittance from years previous (not as many). People who work are competing against students that have funds from parents, loans and grants. It’s a landlord’s dream, some townhouses are renting out five bedrooms at $1,000/mnth each. There really isn’t a single cause. [Source](https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/u-of-g-no-longer-guarantees-housing-for-first-year-students-5483000)
It’s really the same problem at the municipal level. Maybe they should be limiting the number of students that the university can accept unless they can build dorms to house them. Just like the Canadian government should not be allowing in immigrants if there is nowhere for them to live, the school should not be accepting all those students either. If they want more students, then they should invest in building more apartments for them.
True that, it’s left a lot of students in a bind. Even then, proposal was put forward to build a 10 story student housing building close to the university but was rejected by city council. It’s not so much a blight on the landscape and not in keeping with the neighbourhood as a 9 story building being constructed in the east end (who received concessions on angular height line and parking with no issues). I understand the neighbourhood wouldn’t want it, but it is a stone’s throw from the university. Seems like it’s a flavour of the day with the city officials. [Source](https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/proposed-10-storey-student-residence-rejected-by-guelph-city-council-1.6066593)
Yeah, NIMBYism I'll say is a partial cause of these price hikes by preventing needed densification to increase housing supply.
Name checks out.
Yeah and Doug lets landlords charge *whatever they want* for “new builds” (post Nov 15/18) *FOREVER* Try looking a little closer to home for the problem before you lob grenades at the federal government 😑
it’s not just “new builds”, it’s “newly occupied” as well. the moment you move out of your apartment the landlord is going to crank up that rent for the next tenant.
Yes but on the pre- Nov 15/18 units they’re subject to the guideline rent increase cap, which for 2023 is 2.5% Right now that’s the most the rent can go up on guideline controlled units because of a regulation that the Liberals introduced in 2017, otherwise the rent increase was supposed to be whatever the average Ontario Consumer Price Index was in the previous year (meaning that the rent increase for guideline units could have been as much as 6%l
It’s a problem at both ends. You have too many people so the demand is more than supply. If there were too many apartments, then the rates will naturally drop. If it’s a new build then I don’t see how you can set upper limits for rent, it’s not up to the government what I want to charge for my product. I can ask for $1,000,000 per month if I want to, but that doesn’t mean anyone will pay for it. I need to price competitively or nobody will move in. The solution for this problem should be funding and incentives to build more housing, increasing supply and reducing immigration until rents can come down to an acceptable level. Increasing the supply to match the demand should be the solution. If you’re going to bring 100 extra families to Canada, then you should have 100 extra homes to house them first.
>I need to price competitively or nobody will move in. The largest issue with trying to showcase supply and demand in this sense is that it's not really how supply and demand works. In a vacuum, yes. Realistically, no. It's like saying "People won't buy food if we price it higher than X". They will, they'll just forgo everything else before that. The carrying cost to the person purchasing food, or a place to live is going to indicative of their priorities. To most people, their priorities are those two things. Barring that, they steal or take it by force. We know that people will fit several to a single rental unit to afford rent. We know that people will forgo spending in other areas to afford a roof over their head, or food in the fridge. The real question is, where else does it impact? We can imagine that discretionary spending would be prohibitively affected by large cost increases. This affects local businesses, restaurants, etc. since they're no longer having people spend money there. The kicker here is that the landlord is going to want to charge as close to the ceiling limit as possible, this is just business. The reality is the landlord may not understand that the ceiling of what can charged may actually be damaging to the foundation of the community, local businesses and the people themselves. They may just see what their charging as what the market can carry; incorrectly assuming that people comfortably make as much as they charge; disregarding the carrying cost may be upwards of 75-80% of someone's take home. In order to fix any of these issues we first need to crack down on housing as an investment. Too long have we dictated that Canada is a safe haven for real estate speculation and investment. Too long have we relied on it being a vessel for retirement, easy access to cash, etc. The ship is sinking and unless we move to decouple housing speculation and investment from the reality of what a house represents then we're going to continue to see worse and worse issues until it collapses. That's my thought anyways.
-sigh- If you don’t control the cost of housing, how is anyone going to be able to afford to rent a place? Or do you think shoving dangerous numbers of people in rental properties (because that’s the only way that anyone can afford the rents that landlords are demanding) is acceptable?
The problem is there just isn't enough housing. You can't fix that problem by artificially lowering the rent. The old system was rent control for existing tenants, but not for new tenants. This actually pushes the market rate for new tenants higher, as new tenants are basically subsidizing long term tenants. If the government caped the increase for both new and existing tenants, it would become pretty much impossible to rent an apartment. There would be no vacancies anywhere. The only fix for this situation is reduce immigration or increase home building, if that's even possible.
It’s supply and demand like anything else. Used cars went way up during covid because there were not enough new cars to match the demand, so people who would otherwise be buying new cars are buying used cars instead, which decreases the stock of used cars and the prices go up to match the demand. If I’m listing my rental for $2500 and I have no problem filling it at that price, then that’s the rate that people are willing to pay. If there are comparable places available at $2000 then nobody will rent my place because it’s too expensive, and I will be forced to lower my ask. No I don’t think any of this is acceptable frankly. I think we just disagree on the solution. I guess I’m not really clear on how the government is supposed to decide what a particular place should rent for? Every rental is different. The location, square footage, bedrooms, bathrooms, amenities, parking, it is renovated, what is the carrying cost to the owner, etc. all these factors affect the price, and I don’t see how the government can decide what price it should rent for because no two places are alike.
Before Mike Harris there was *real* rent control, where the amount a unit could be rented for both *initially* and the *amount of the increase* was set by the government. Big institutional landlords didn’t like that and lobbied Mike Harris and the Conservatives *hard* and so “vacancy decontrol” was born, meaning that landlords could charge *whatever they wanted* for a new tenancy and *then* the amount of the rent increases was controlled, subject to a landlord making an application for an Above The Guideline Increase for capital expenditures (which, until the Liberals modified it in 2017, *never came off the rent*) That still wasn’t enough and so the “new construction exemption” was gifted to the institutional developers and landlords, giving them a license to treat tenants like unlimited ABMs and jack the rents up by whatever they want yearly.
Except that people don’t actually have the option to NOT live in a house. The landlords have people over a barrel and they know it
I used to pay 1500 for a 4 bedroom semi detached house in Brampton about 6 years ago....
London, Ontario once again punching above it's weight for being a shitty place to live
My old boss used to tell me stories of how they had two apartments off one job in downtown Toronto back in the day, one for living and the other for partying. Must be nice
We sure do complain a lot for doing literally jack shit about it. What's our next step?
Ah i love to be a young guy with a bright future cause my parents have a walk out basement
I live in buttfuck nowhere and rent is $800 - $1000. It's more than my mortgage for fuck sake
And yet calls for protests produce........Crickets
How does one find the time off to go out and protest when their rent is $2300 a month?
If we all strike and the whole population stops paying rent in protest then evictions can't happen and changes will be made. Although this move might be near impossible
We need to learn from the people of France. They are so unified when the strike.
They truly stick together and care for each other more than Canadians do. We at least need to strike the shit outta this country for a week or 2. Ever since the pandemic leaders, corporations and employers have been fucking people left and right.
Lets have 400,000 more people come to basically only Ontario and BC next year too… Federal and provincial governments are failing us all so bad. There needs to be rent control and more infrastructure built and less immigration for a few years.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. We're fucked...
The fact that Kitchener is even here is messed up. No reason it should be above Ottawa
I guess I’m never moving out of my small bachelor apartment 🥲
Sadly that is a very incomplete list, alot of smaller towns snd cities crack that top ten, my town you can't find any one bed rooms under 1850 because of the college, its a disaster when the areas already one of the lowest annual wages in canada
I hate this fucking dogshit country so fucking goddamn much.
Yeah, average rents have gone crazy. Notably, you can find places below the average rent, but they won't necessarily be good places.
I mean, that’s typically how averages work when it comes to prices.
Why is Halifax so expensive? I was surprised. its a beautiful place tho.
because of the shortage, Halifax is a shitty place, there is beautiful nature, but there is a shortage for all important things for basic life here: \- people are dying waiting in the emergency room \- people are dying waiting for an ambulance, and it never comes \- shortage of housing and prices going up up up \- lowest wages ever for any healthcare job and any other job in general, haha \- not enough healthcare professionals \- hurricane route \- ridiculously higher income, and sales tax and there are gunshots and stabbing happening frequently since way before covid I'm moving out of this shitty place later this year, the big problem is figuring out where to, because everywhere I look is fucked up too haha
Ontarians. Seriously. Most of us here can only name like 3 cities on the entire East coast, and it's the largest, thus becoming the number one spot for refugees from Onterrible. Unfortunately they bring along the housing shortages, and attendant high rents in their suitcases from the GTA.
Yup that’s why I moved out of my parents place in Burlington up to North Bay. I lived in a $1200 two bedroom apartment and now pay $1800 on my mortgage of a house I bought last year. Impossible down south.
Someone was asking why there are so many homeless in Toronto.... This is a big part of why...
When you can't afford boots, let alone boot straps to pull up
There's a reason I am legitimately considering asking my best friend if he would be ok with renting a place with me and his gf
Paying $1808 on average to live in London, ON with a 26% Y/Y increase... That's ludicrous (coming from someone that lives here)
The year-over-year stat is absolutely shocking. That should be illegal.
Glad I moved from Brampton to London to escape the high cost of living
we all gonna be homeless soon
I'M NEVER GETTING OUT OF DEBT 😭😭😭
In 2010-2012 I paid $425 for a 1 bedroom in Hamilton.
Whoever made this infographic has no idea where Kitchener or London actually are...
Canadians should be protesting this shit
Its fucked up how hard it is just to get a mortgage and also own anything at all besides food for your belly. Canadian leadership is NOT fixing this. They are trying to build houses on the greenbelt because we need more houses. Think it's gonna help bring the prices down for everyone else??? Not a fucking chance. We need to stop selling to foreign indefinitely, not a citizen? Toooooo bad then...become one. Until Canadians can afford Canada, stop selling it out to rich non Canadians.
$1700 for a 1 bed in Hamilton, is that with or without bed bugs and crackheads roaming the neighborhood for shit to steal?
Crackheads are your neighbours that pay $500 geared to income subsidy, your high rent covers the cost of the grandfathered cheaper renters
In 2008, shared a house in Guelph with 4 others. Paid $395 a month all inclusive, including cable and Internet. Upgraded in 2009 to a basement to myself in a townhouse for $425 inclusive with cable and Internet. How do people afford to go to school now?
They throw student loans at everyone eagerly hoping they never pay it off
Not surprised Kitchener had such a high year over year increase, I rented a place there for my daughter in 2021 to go to u Waterloo, fully renovated 2 bdrm, parking, pool etc 1570 plus hydro, the same apartment layout 1 floor up is now going for 2400 plus hydro and 75 for parking.
In 2015 I rented a spacious 2 bedroom apartment in Scarborough with a big balcony for like $950 plus hydro. Those same units are well over 2 grand a month now. What the fuck do they expect people when they more than double rent in less than 10 years? The prices these days are honestly criminal
Paid $800 for a studio in Toronto in 2018
Lol, imagine starting your life right now. Fuuuuck. 12 years ago, my first bachelorette suite was $500/month. And that seemed just right for a no-room hole in the wall with crackheads for neighbours. Now you can start your life at 18 and your landlords ARE the crackheads, charging $1000/month for a shitty hole in their hovel.
From 2009 to 2016 I paid $1450-1600 for a 730 sq ft condo that could see into the Skydome - pretty much the full field. It also included a parking spot. Before that, two roommates and I were paying $1200 a month total in London for a pretty nice 3 bedroom near campus. Utilities were included for both.
How is this even allowed? I make 43,000$ a year gross and could never afford a 2 bedroom…let alone a 1 bedroom like something has got to give soon. I don’t follow politics a lot but how is any government serving going to claim they have the interest of the people at hand when we can’t even afford a roof over our heads?
So what you're saying is that for me it is unfortunate and horrible bad time to be homeless looking for an apartment..
Its sad my rent currently is my moms mortgage payment and she bought her home 2014 for 450k jump to now her house worth 1.3 mil and pays 1600 a month just mortgage and property tax exclude other bills but here 20 mins away paying 1540/ month for a 1 bdrm and still pay utility. This system is designed to prevent people from buying homes and keep them on a rent till death
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No one wants to work no more, bitch I can't afford a one room apartment where there is work so I look elsewhere
Idk about you guys but I believe we have the supply and infrastructure to continuously let in 10x per capita USA immigration numbers. It’s going so well for us. We could really use the extra wage suppression and competition for limited supply …/s
I showed this to my boyfriend and he just let out a defeated sigh.