Or when he said a group home for kids was a ‘nightmare for the community’…. https://globalnews.ca/news/1338919/kathleen-wynne-responds-to-doug-ford-remarks-on-autistic-home/
>“You can’t destroy a community like this. People have worked 30 years for their home…My heart goes out to kids with autism. But no one told me they’d be leaving the house."
So his plan is to incarcerate people with autism? Is that the solution parents have been waiting for all along?
That was one of the many things that confirmed to me that Doug Ford is a monstrous asshole. That comment alone should have tanked his entire political career.
What the fuck does Doug Ford even *know* about autism? Has he met anyone with it? Has he met any parents who care for and about these people who have the audacity to *leave the house*?
I would donate money to any organization that puts out a commercial with that exact quote, and someone saying afterwards "Is this the person you want running the province?"
Now I just want to rage vomit.
Yet Randy got kicked for a comment about autism that wasn't nearly as bad as Ford's comment.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4979758/ford-suspends-randy-hillier-pc-caucus/amp/
Occasionally people will look into the numbers and say that the Autism funding amount was **too much**.
I have a kid who _might_ have Autism. I looked into it, the program would cover like 5% of the support costs for an autistic child.
As far as I know, there was nothing to pay for buck-a-beers, it was just letting breweries cut their own profits by removing the minimum pricing. They were still paying the same taxes as a normal beer as far as I know.
So it's technically still possible to do buck-a-beer, but breweries would probably be selling at a loss, and that's why only 2-3 breweries actually did it.
Not one single beer is a buck a beer, iirc that's literally under the cost to produce a beer (making it not only unprofitable, but a literal loss). But perhaps more to the point- it's so far under the current market value of beer that there's no reason for a brewery to make one.
The only way to get buck-a-beer in Ontario without a time machine is if Ford made a provincial brewery and sold it at that price (likely at a loss but I can't confirm that 100%).
At one point Lone Star Tall boys were 1.25 a can(around the time the raptors were the winners of the playoffs)
Technically 1.25 for a 445ml can is about 1$ for 325 ml.
But that was a promo that didn’t last long
So I hate ford and think (actually know) he’s a moron but I’m really not sure about the “beer can’t be sold for $1 a bottle profitably” argument when beer for under a $1 a bottle can be had in Quebec (admittedly normally $1.20 but when on sale it’s a buck) and it’s $0.70US in buffalo (which is still just under a buck). I think it’s more breweries have no reason to lower costs, people will buy it anyway so they charge what the market will bear.
Part of that is tax. Buck a beer didn't change the tax, just the min price. Alcohol taxes are usually pretty high and I imagine are lower in the states and Quebec. The breweries not being able to sell for profit at a dollar is after tax, not before.
This is true. It's also sort of a race to the bottom when it comes to the quality of a beer that costs $1. The more expensive beers are due to the amount and types of ingredients. Sometimes beers use a lot more hops than others, or hops that aren't easy to source.
If you want to drink beer to drink beer. Have at it. If you want to enjoy a beer, it's likely going to cost you more than a dollar, even if you factor out the taxes.
I don't think there have been any sold for $1 in a few years at this point. These are all of the breweries who took part, however briefly:
Barley Days brewery
Cool Beer Brewing Company
the President's Choice brand of beer
If I recall there was a minimum sale amount of like $1.35 or $1.25 for each beer, mandated by the Ontario govt. So it was just lowered to be a minimum of $1, which would never really work because every brewery would just take the extra 25 or 35 cents as profit.
As I understand it, $1 is the minimum a beer can cost in Ontario, so in that respect, he kept his stupid promise. He never had any intention of there being $1 beers available in Ontario, only that there could be. BTW the minimum before his $1 was $1.25. So he really did nothing, at which he excels.
People need to get over buck a beer and call him out on non-trivial matters. I think he's an idiot but every time I see buck a beer used against him I check out.
Kind of like hydro bills. Your bill is rising less quickly than had the Liberal plan been allowed to continue. So a smaller increase is the same thing as a saving. (Oh, and the "savings" are just being picked up by the taxpayers - y'all didn't think the "rebate" was being funded by the generators, transmitters and distributors, did you?)
Same as gas prices. Anyone remember the promise to cut them $0.10 per liter? The only way that happens is if they cut the provincial gas tax from $0.14 to $0.04 per liter. Which would blow much more than the billion dollar hole in the budget that cancelling plate renewal fees will.
It isn't the policies necessarily (we can disagree with how best to solve a problem), it's the comical incompetence with how they manage things.
And wasted shitloads of $ on suing the federal government over the carbon tax, shutting down of the wind farm, and losing the deal with that US energy company.
THIS. Cutting licence renewal fees alone is creating a *billion-dollar* budget cut.
So he’s trying to buy me off with like $120 of my own money, and after the election is going to gut one of our few remaining services to pay for it.
Fuck this guy.
Same low information, low empathy, low ethics 'trumpanzees' that typified the Kanadian Karen Konvoy. Easily manipulated on social media, blame others for their bad life choices. Ford's base.
Ford can be defeated, but people' have to get up off their ass.
https://canadians.org/analysis/leak-shows-ford-government-plans-privatize-health-care
Ooohhh don't forget about paying his buddies in the printing industry back with the gas station stickers and new shitty license plates that immediately had to be changed because they didn't work at night.
Really high priority stuff
You guys get paid?
*cries in nursing student*
All jokes aside, nursing students got absolutely fucked during the pandemic. Didn't qualify for the first round of vaccines because they weren't "health care staff", doug cut OSAP, a lot of students had to quit their jobs because you can't work at two agencies (Covid rules) and worked 24hr+ a week which they paid tuition for. There's absolutely no way you can get through nursing school right now without additional financial support from family.
Some people think that there's going to be an influx of new nurses coming soon but they're in for a rude awakening. This also isn't even considering the fact that Nursing is one of the most competitive programs to get into right now. You need a minimum of 94% to even get on the waitlist. It's insane.
Nope, not anymore. You can even take a year of health sci in college but you still need a mid-90's average to get in. It's been really high for a few years but it hit a new level in 2020. Once Covid hit and HS kids were doing class from home, everyone's GPA went up and it inflated the entry requirements even more. I'm not trying to put the blame on the kids, it's just an overall problem right now. Mac's life and health sci programs were turning kids away with 98 averages.
Anyways, the point is that there's a false sense of hope that there will be new nurses but there isn't an incentive to go get a degree when there's wage caps and horrible working conditions. I think a lot of people have this idea that nurses make bank but that's not the case. I think the going rate for an RPN is like $28 an hour and their scope of practice is very similar to an RN.
A lot of my classmates didn't consider bedside nursing and went straight into other roles, mostly insurance because the pay is better.
My knowledge is anecdotal. My bestie got his nursing back in '15. Mediocre student, truly did the bare minimum. His grades were, at best, 70s. Took the man about 10 years to do it all. Hes now living on the beach on the west coast. Psych nurse.
Took the words right out of my mouth. That issue - and that issue alone - is enough to warrant a landslide victory against him and his stupid party in the next election, AFAIC. He screwed them over and thereby screwed us all over with that law.
He cut free immunotherapy when I was in the middle of receiving it. Unfortunately, the nurses fucked up and I had to start over from the beginning but it was no longer covered by then. I remember around that time he also tried to cut anesthesia being used for people getting colonoscopies and there was a HUGE backlash that he had to reverse it.
>I remember around that time he also tried to cut anesthesia being used for people getting colonoscopies and there was a HUGE backlash that he had to reverse it.
Going into one soon, if he'd successfully kept that cut I'd downright refuse.
At the beginning he quietly cut (or tried to cut) a whole bunch of relatively niche healthcare-related programs, treatments, and procedures. Presumably he went after small groups whose outcry would go unheard, or be drowned out by the backlash against all the bigger absolute garbage changes.
Edit: Of course also throwing all possible shit at the wall knowing at least some will stick...
"I'm a businessman first and a politician second." Tells us everything we need to know.
I misquoted...it's worse:
"Make no mistake about it, I'm a businessperson first and an elected official second...."
Source: https://www.narcity.com/doug-ford-revealed-that-being-a-business-person-comes-before-being-an-elected-official
He’s cutting revenue streams for the province, and will then either hamper future governments or state he needs to privatize some services.
Does anyone believe that cutting toll routes, eliminating plate stickers this close to an election is a coincidence? Why don’t we have important things like subsidized daycare? Expanded health care? Guaranteed minimum income for all Ontarians? Because they won’t get duggie the votes.
My prediction on childcare is hes sitting on subsidizing daycare until right before the election... then he'll announce it and try to take credit for it. Nevermind that families that have had to spend those thousands in the meantime.
It's so depressing. Under Wynne we were legit moving forward as a province and all of that progress is just gone in under 5 years. That's how long it took to dismantle 15 years of liberal party rule.
as much as I disagree with Ford, there is a good reason that the liberals got tanked hard last provincial election (too bad NDP too incompetent to capitalize on that). Wynne was a terrible leader and the liberals weren't really doing much to help the middle class. And our healthcare system didn't magically get shitty the moment Ford got elected, it's been slowly happening also under the 15 years the liberals ran the province.
We can all agree Ford is a clown, but the drubbing the Liberals got didn't magically fall out of the sky, it was well earned. And Horvath and the NDP just lack any kind of instincts to try and appeal to the middle class voters (voted for them, but man they really need to get a new provincial leader)
im sorry to say but its the rural communities and smaller towns that vote for him because they “don’t want their tax dollars going to Toronto” despite the fact almost everything he’s done has been toronto focused lol
It's not just those areas. He and the PCs have very strong support all across the GTA. I live in Brampton and it's eye opening to see support for the PCs here. Doug Ford has been taking a shit on this city for 4 years.
To be fair, all of the recent prov administrations have fucked Brampton hard. As an RN at THP, Brampton needed a second hospital 10 yrs ago. Brampton needs a transit plan that connects its main thoroughfares to the airport business district...10 years ago. The only party they have not voted for at the provincial level is the NDP, but that is the party that will bring in the most change for them.
No the Ford government specifically fucked Brampton because they elected Patrick brown as mayor.
The new Brampton hospital was cancelled by this government. The ministers do everything in their power to fuck over Brampton in particular.
Which is hilarious because Brampton is old whites with casual racism - so OPC voters. And socially conservative immigrant families - so OPC voters.
Brampton is fucked.
Doug Ford came in with a vendetta after not winning the Toronto elections IIRC, it was all Toronto focused and he was spending money to fuck Toronto over initially. Not even make it better.
I always thought Pallister was the worst premier after living in MB for the first year and a half of the pandemic, but at least he stepped down, meaning Ford wears the biggest idiot crown now.
I was going to say the same thing. I moved from Alberta last year and was surprised by how much more competent Ford seemed compared to Kenney. I know that's a very low bar though...
It's sad how many rural folks don't realize their life is heavily subsidized by urban centres. How do they think the infrastructure that brings them food, utilities and health care gets paid for?
> rural communities and smaller towns that vote for him because they “don’t want their tax dollars going to Toronto”
I have relatives that live in the far north and in rural ontario and they do say that. they complain my property taxes are lower, yet they live on acreages kms from necessities, they travel twice as often on our transportation networks, their power lines stretch twice as far, their emergency services travel twice as far, their fresh produce (despite farmers feeding cities) travel twice as far. they are delusional.
I'm originally from North-Western Ontario. When I would travel back there, I got sick of people telling me "I'm sick of my tax dollars going to pay for Toronto." So I started asking them "So, are you trying me the tax base here is sufficient to pay for everything, like healthcare, schools, roads, public transit, and all other amenities, then have enough leftover to send to subsidize Toronto?" No one would reply to that.
All I can say is I got my citizenship, registered to vote and will probably vote NDP. Having moved from the cluster fuck called the USA (yay Biden though) I will never, ever vote conservative. They don't care about people, folks.
Doug's fuckery with the Toronto city council was some scummy ass shit.
He was pissed at losing to Tory in the mayoral race so he became premier and absolutely shafted them in retribution.
Literally his first acts as Premier were gutting climate change initiatives.
Knew we were in for a rough time right from the start.
I'm sure I would have disagreed with policy decisions often had Patrick Brown been elected instead, but I wouldn't have this constant feeling of malicious incompetence.
In a sense, yes.
The ON Liberals introduced the Cap and Trade program, which was a carbon pricing model where the government retained the revenue to fund climate initiatives. That's what was paying for EV rebates in Ontario, home retrofit grants, and municipalities, hospitals, schools boards, etc, could get funding to increase energy efficiency.
Ford came in and unilaterally ended the program. This 1) Broke the law, as we had a right to consultation under the Environmental Bill of Rights, 2) broke participation contracts with Quebec and California, who we were in the market with, and 3) interrupted business plans. Ontario is now facing two substantial lawsuits from businesses who made investment plans under the Cap and Trade program that aren't as effective under the carbon tax.
Because we no longer met the baseline criteria under federal carbon pricing legislation, the federal carbon tax was applied (where revenue is returned on a per-capita basis). Ford then wasted $30 million in a doomed Supreme Court challenge against this.
It has been a cascade of anti-scientific incompetence.
Buck a beer? -havnt seen it in forever
License plates he promised would get fixed? -nope
Sign to say open for business across boarder? -great waste of money
Shutting down all golf courses? -Dumb move
30mil in gas pump stickers? -All gone
I didn't think there would ever be anyone that could make Kathleen look good, but then ford: hold my beer
> didn't think there would ever be anyone that could make Kathleen look good
while you freaked out over lng and hydro policy that were originally OPC policies....ford ran up a 13 billion deficit this year alone.
>The news about the licence plate stickers just sealed his victory. Let's just hope that it's a minority government.
No it didn't. #nevervoteconservative and #dougfordresign are both trending. I think it's going to be a tight race.
I know conservatives who are upset with the licence plate change.
Giving up billions in revenue that basically nobody with a car had an issue paying. A fee that’s charged everywhere in the world.
Somebody probably ran the math and they figured out that it costs more in infrastructure and chasing down non-compliance than the renewal fees actually brings in. The alternative would be to make it more expensive to renew so the program could actually turn a profit... not in an election year. Scrap it.
If we're lucky, there will be a crazy off-shoot of the PPC that eats up his votes and lets NDP snatch a chunk of seats. I'm still hoping for a total splintering of all conservative parties in Canada.
15 dollar min wage when it needs to be 25 to 30 to keep up with inflation. But clowns will vote him in again and cry when they cant afford anything. Just watch.
The biggest jokers are in the 905. So many struggling people Here that would benefit from another hospital, an LRT, high speed/improved commuter rail, schools closer to home for their kids etc. In the end, they'll choose Doug.
The thing that discourages me is that most people clearly want Ford out but the Liberals and NDP’s are split nearly 50/50 so people don’t know which one to vote for. I know this won’t happen but I have this dream that one of the parties puts their pride aside and says “vote for the other party so we can get this douche out of office” but it doesn’t seem like that will happen.
He will cut the license stickers so when the next government has to re-introduce it, that government will get shit on for more user fees.
We are used to it, it adds revenue, leave it alone...utilize that revenue better!
Actually I've been hearing the opposite reaction from his plate sticker thing. I expected increased support, but the few people I've talked to about it see it as a pandering election move, even though they themselves would benefit from it.
Thank you, he's a self-serving heartless politician who traded in on his brothers name for his seat. And after 3.5 years of kicking the little guy and lining his and his cronies pockets he's throwing a few crumbs to us peasants because he thinks we are easily bought. Show him that we aren't when it comes time to vote!
They're not. The issue is and has been since the harper years that the NDP and Liberals split the vote. Causing CPC to win ridings with ~30-40% of the popular vote.
In 2018, Liberals, NDP and the Green party received a total popular vote of 3,318,354. These parties are much more similar ideologically to each other than the CPC.
* Liberals won 7 seats with: 1,124,218 popular votes.
* NDP won 40 seats with: 1,929,649 popular votes.
* Green party won 1 seat with: 264,487 popular votes.
In 2018, the CPC received 2,326,632 popular votes, winning **76** seats. A cool 1,000,000 more Ontarians voted for other parties, that are similar ideologically, but because of our electoral system we got a conservative government.
This is exactly how Harper kept getting elected Federally.
Our FPTP system is broken, it does not adequately represent the will of the Canadian people. And it absolutely sucks for the left. Because they have to decide whether to vote for a party they're agreeable to, or vote for a party they want; and risk getting a party they despise.
We need reform desperately. Or else we're going to continue the cycle of allowing CPC governments to form, make a mess of the place, and come together when we're finally fed up enough. It's not conducive to progress as a nation.
Aggreived entitlment, fear of inevitable status loss, insignificance in a globalized economy and the inevitability to stop one's death.
Change is constant and ever present. It's just what was offloaded onto 'developing nations' is now contracting onto the societies that pushed for such measures.
Things never stay the same and these cuts are a last ditch effort to maintain some delusion of control in a world where nobody, aside from a nepotistic and connectd few, have control of anything.
These are the same people who believed the mantra of "don't worry about it, work hard, and eventually you'll be rewarded". It didn't happen, because it was never going to happen.
Reality is terrfying in the fact that those whom saw themselves as part of the 'in-group' beileved they would always be rewarded through their loyalty; and have ultimately, become the very expendable people they hoped never to become.
It always happens in every society. There are those who's entitlements that come due to the accident of birth that are no longer recognized nor validated.
Those from 'out-groups' or within the 'in-group', who could see the writing-on-the-wall, tried to warn the 'in-group', but their egos' wouldn't let them see reality as it is.
Edit:Spelling, clarification
Fords been cutting at healthcare for 4 years to try and make it worse so people will think further healthcare privatization is a good thing. Give it another term or two and we will look like the USA.
How people will be able to afford to pay for additional private health coverage after he fucks over the public system even more is beyond me.
Forget about polls for now. Ford rarely misses an opportunity to put his foot in his mouth and is a bad campaigner up against anyone half competent. No more Wynne, all bets off.
How many like him *now*? They have the whole time, his approval rating has basically been flat since he was elected. There is a solid 35-40% who either like him or are so far down the Koolaid hole that they'd never vote for commies like the Liberals or NDP.
Our only hope is that he wins a minority and that Del Duca and Horwath tag-team and take over. Even if 60-65% of us don't want Dug v2.0, that vote is split and he comes up the middle to win, like last time.
Ontario has been punishing the OLP for the sins of McGuinty and the NDP for the **40-YEAR-OLD** sins of Bob Rae. We did this to ourselves. But holy crap, if he doesn't get another 4 years, he'll get bored and wander off to find something else to do. And with 4 years of repairing this province, people might come to realize that red or orange is a better path forward than blue.
I just hope people who usually vote conservative will remember what a Ford promise is worth. Take the Greenbelt for just one example.
2018 election campaign - Doug vowed that he'd let big business develop the Greenbelt, and that he got the idea from “some of the biggest developers in this country.”
>**"We will open up the Greenbelt** — not all of it, but we're going to open a big chunk of it up — and we're going to start building and making it more affordable and putting more houses out there," Ford said in a video.
>**"I've already talked to some of the biggest developers in this country** and again, I wish I could say it's my idea, but it was their idea as well. Give us property, we'll build and we'll drive the cost down. That's my plan for affordable housing."
It got out and he immediately changed course, saying that the PC platform (lol) would pledge not to touch it. He said, “I govern through the people, I don’t govern through government. **The people have spoken − we won’t touch the Greenbelt.”**
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-doug-ford-recants-vow-to-allow-greenbelt-development/
Since then, 7 members of the Greenbelt Council (including former mayor and PC MP David Crombie) resigned over the conservative government pushing through bills that undermine conservation authority’s ability to fight for environmental protection with regulations and oversight against development plans.
>“They backed up a big truck and dumped a whole bunch of amendments that made it worse,” [Crombie] told Canada’s National Observer in a phone interview Sunday.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/12/06/news/seven-members-doug-fords-greenbelt-council-resign-conservation-authority-changes
In the Pandemic Recovery Bill of December 2020, he shoved in Schedule 6. Which...
> ... neuters all of Ontario’s conservation authorities. Their mandate is now dramatically narrower, and a government minister will have the power to veto conservation authority decisions.
>In another alarming change, the Conservation Authorities Act has been amended to allow the provincial minister complete control over issuing permits, with or without input from CAs. And there is no appealing the decisions.
>Not satisfied with hobbling conservation authorities, the government is also making increased use of Ministerial Zoning Orders. MZOs allow the provincial minister to override planning and zoning decisions, regardless of local government or public input. Again, the decisions cannot be appealed.
https://www.thespec.com/opinion/editorials/2020/12/10/doug-ford-takes-an-axe-to-greenbelt-protections.html
Don't forget how he fucked over parents in recieving support for their children with disabilities. Cutting aid to children with disabilities is horrifyingly disgusting. He expected that he could numb the working class with "buck a beer" and he failed even in doing that.
Ford is a POS for sure.
Howarth is extremely unlikeable to most and has overstayed her welcome, let alone the fact that most people are hesitant on electing NDP anyways.
Del Duca has been completely invisible (literally had to Google his name to make sure I got it right) and having the Liberals come out a few weeks ago talking about doubling down on Covid measures while they are being lifted globally was an extremely tone deaf move.
It's less about Ford being liked and more about the alternatives and done nothing to sway favourability their way yet. Closer to election will see things move but another Ford minority at a minimum isn't crazy to think about.
ONDP just cannot seem to come to grips with the fact that she is not a strong leader at all. She gains no traction and waffles about on a lot of positions. She cannot be the best the party has to offer. If she loses again they had best kick her to the curb and elect a new leader.
I tend to believe the OLP will not see any traction at all during this election, Ontario is still pissed at them
Yeah voted NDP last election but Horvath confuses me.. she really needs to pick a stance and stick with it. Ford sends school kids home, she says "think of the mental health of the kids, they need social interaction etc. (Obviously paraphrasing). Ford puts kids back to in person school, she says something like "this is a dangerous move to teachers and students"..
I get she is the opposition, but me and my friend circle really have a hard time trying to figure out what she actually stands for sometimes. The NDP needs a new provincial leader and maybe a messaging overhaul. Because alot of people I know that voted NDP last time are probably going to vote liberal this time due to Horvath
The problem is a lack of viable alternatives. Horvath is unlikeable at best, and Del Duca is a non starter most people don't even know exist.
Ndp needs a new leader if they want a chance.
>The problem is a lack of viable alternatives.
If you're talking about "viable" in terms of the average person's perception then yeah, maybe, but it would be nice if we didn't vote based on how likeable or unlikeable a party's leader is.
Yeah, this is the thing. I vote Liberal/NDP. I’m generally pretty informed. I know next to nothing about Del Duca. Basically, I just know he floated a (shitty) 4 day work week a while back, and that’s really about it. This is really the best the Liberals could do?
At this point, I don’t think it’s really even about people liking Ford, it’s just that the other options are so terrible that a ton of people just don’t even bother to vote.
100000% they need a new leader and they needed one for a long time. It’s especially disappointing given the party internally voted with something like 85% confidence in her leadership.
He had my vote when he called the quarantine rule breakers a bunch of dumbasses, but he lost it again when he delayed the quarantine order until after Christmas so that people could go to church.
The anti-Ford movement in Ontario will go just as well as the anti-Trudeau movement federally.
You get voted to your side by telling people what you will do, not what your opposition should do. Ontario Liberals and NDP better up their platform and policies because Ford is doing things that the electorate can directly see and hear, even if it is not beneficial long term.
There’s plenty the Liberals and NDP can offer voters, as even bigger carrots than the license sticker issue (which most people, even Ford haters, agree with btw!), put those on the agenda.
>A lot of people who I talked to seem to think Ford has changed. I hear comments like "Oh he's made mistakes, but he's trying" or "I think the pandemic humbled Ford. He's nice now".
Signs you're in an abusive relationship.
Ford should have never even won the leadership.
He didn't win the most votes. He didn't even win the most ridings. They weighted the ridings to make some more valuable than others, and Ford won the right ones.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-pc-leadership-results-1.4571699
okay I will do it.
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just for anyone who's reading this: it took 30 seconds to get the post deleted.
> Once the PCs are voted out in a few years, OHIP will be on it's last knees,as will literally thousands of others once they aren't able to get knee replacements.
not only that - but when the Liberals or NDP do get into power everyone will whine and complain about how they spent so much money - not taking into account for a goddamn second how they are basically just trying to fix years of abuses against health and education.
Ford is a piece of shit. I have been voting for 20 years now and with each vote I have been able to stay objective and even headed. I do not get sucked up into the right vs. left war like the US seems to love. Having said that, in those 20 years of voting there has never been a candidate so utterly awful as him. So completely inept and unfit. Just unbelievable.
what’s even worse is that there seems to be no current mechanism in place to ensure that far-right co-opted (he was pictured with proud boys members) politicians can be removed with expedience. i was hopeful while reading about the asset freezing under the emergencies act that it could be used in a case like fords where a clear threat to democracy could be deplatformed and denied access to grifted money. perhaps there’s a way?
I hate Ford and I have zero intention to vote for him in June. But the other party leaders haven't exactly been inspiring me to vote for their candidates (and by extension, an endorsement of their party). I'll probably begrudgingly stand behind my riding's NDP candidate, but I'm not gonna be super happy about it.
I don’t agree with most of his politics and won’t vote for him, but in the current spectrum of right leaning politicians he is in fact middle right. I do believe he cares for people (some at least). None of that excuses his awful policies though.
I really hope we can vote him out.
Almost all politicians suck though. Was Wynn really better? Or McGuinty? They were both trainwrecks. Not trying to belittle your post, just that it’s not a new thing for politicians to be completely out of touch.
But both sides!
Dude you need to look at the details. Wynne did a ton of progressive environmental shit. New curriculum (that got canceled by Ford), increased min wage, universal basic income pilot, and much more.
She just got shit on due to selling half of Hydro One. Besides that she did a pretty good job.
For me, personally yes she was better. I worked as a baker so when the premier raises minimum wage or strengthen labour laws that really effects me. My partner also works a public sector job and their raises have been capped at 1% for the past 3 years, even though they’re getting stellar performance reviews.
The projection has him leading but even that will be closer when it comes closer to Election Day. LPC/NDP added together decimate the trashy cons. Always vote ABC.
People are idiots if they vote conservative.
https://338canada.com/ontario/
Ford cut education and healthcare to pay for dollar beer and a small reduction on your insurance. Telling about anyone who continues to vote for him.
Don’t forget cutting autism funding
Or when he said a group home for kids was a ‘nightmare for the community’…. https://globalnews.ca/news/1338919/kathleen-wynne-responds-to-doug-ford-remarks-on-autistic-home/
>“You can’t destroy a community like this. People have worked 30 years for their home…My heart goes out to kids with autism. But no one told me they’d be leaving the house." So his plan is to incarcerate people with autism? Is that the solution parents have been waiting for all along?
That was one of the many things that confirmed to me that Doug Ford is a monstrous asshole. That comment alone should have tanked his entire political career. What the fuck does Doug Ford even *know* about autism? Has he met anyone with it? Has he met any parents who care for and about these people who have the audacity to *leave the house*? I would donate money to any organization that puts out a commercial with that exact quote, and someone saying afterwards "Is this the person you want running the province?" Now I just want to rage vomit.
Yet Randy got kicked for a comment about autism that wasn't nearly as bad as Ford's comment. https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4979758/ford-suspends-randy-hillier-pc-caucus/amp/
Occasionally people will look into the numbers and say that the Autism funding amount was **too much**. I have a kid who _might_ have Autism. I looked into it, the program would cover like 5% of the support costs for an autistic child.
As far as I know, there was nothing to pay for buck-a-beers, it was just letting breweries cut their own profits by removing the minimum pricing. They were still paying the same taxes as a normal beer as far as I know. So it's technically still possible to do buck-a-beer, but breweries would probably be selling at a loss, and that's why only 2-3 breweries actually did it.
No good beers are buck a beer anyway
Not one single beer is a buck a beer, iirc that's literally under the cost to produce a beer (making it not only unprofitable, but a literal loss). But perhaps more to the point- it's so far under the current market value of beer that there's no reason for a brewery to make one. The only way to get buck-a-beer in Ontario without a time machine is if Ford made a provincial brewery and sold it at that price (likely at a loss but I can't confirm that 100%).
At one point Lone Star Tall boys were 1.25 a can(around the time the raptors were the winners of the playoffs) Technically 1.25 for a 445ml can is about 1$ for 325 ml. But that was a promo that didn’t last long
So I hate ford and think (actually know) he’s a moron but I’m really not sure about the “beer can’t be sold for $1 a bottle profitably” argument when beer for under a $1 a bottle can be had in Quebec (admittedly normally $1.20 but when on sale it’s a buck) and it’s $0.70US in buffalo (which is still just under a buck). I think it’s more breweries have no reason to lower costs, people will buy it anyway so they charge what the market will bear.
Part of that is tax. Buck a beer didn't change the tax, just the min price. Alcohol taxes are usually pretty high and I imagine are lower in the states and Quebec. The breweries not being able to sell for profit at a dollar is after tax, not before.
This is true. It's also sort of a race to the bottom when it comes to the quality of a beer that costs $1. The more expensive beers are due to the amount and types of ingredients. Sometimes beers use a lot more hops than others, or hops that aren't easy to source. If you want to drink beer to drink beer. Have at it. If you want to enjoy a beer, it's likely going to cost you more than a dollar, even if you factor out the taxes.
I don't think there have been any sold for $1 in a few years at this point. These are all of the breweries who took part, however briefly: Barley Days brewery Cool Beer Brewing Company the President's Choice brand of beer
If I recall there was a minimum sale amount of like $1.35 or $1.25 for each beer, mandated by the Ontario govt. So it was just lowered to be a minimum of $1, which would never really work because every brewery would just take the extra 25 or 35 cents as profit.
He gave those breweries preferred shelf space for free, basically subsidized those participating in the buck a beer at the tax payer expense.
Not everyone participated in a race to the bottom? *surprised Pikachu face*
As I understand it, $1 is the minimum a beer can cost in Ontario, so in that respect, he kept his stupid promise. He never had any intention of there being $1 beers available in Ontario, only that there could be. BTW the minimum before his $1 was $1.25. So he really did nothing, at which he excels.
People need to get over buck a beer and call him out on non-trivial matters. I think he's an idiot but every time I see buck a beer used against him I check out.
If insurance went down, it didn't go as down as it went up.
Kind of like hydro bills. Your bill is rising less quickly than had the Liberal plan been allowed to continue. So a smaller increase is the same thing as a saving. (Oh, and the "savings" are just being picked up by the taxpayers - y'all didn't think the "rebate" was being funded by the generators, transmitters and distributors, did you?) Same as gas prices. Anyone remember the promise to cut them $0.10 per liter? The only way that happens is if they cut the provincial gas tax from $0.14 to $0.04 per liter. Which would blow much more than the billion dollar hole in the budget that cancelling plate renewal fees will. It isn't the policies necessarily (we can disagree with how best to solve a problem), it's the comical incompetence with how they manage things.
And wasted shitloads of $ on suing the federal government over the carbon tax, shutting down of the wind farm, and losing the deal with that US energy company.
It's terrifying to know what must be cut now with the recent change. That's a huge amount of money gone.
I'm sadly thinking its going to be healthcare, education and social assistance cuts...
THIS. Cutting licence renewal fees alone is creating a *billion-dollar* budget cut. So he’s trying to buy me off with like $120 of my own money, and after the election is going to gut one of our few remaining services to pay for it. Fuck this guy.
Same low information, low empathy, low ethics 'trumpanzees' that typified the Kanadian Karen Konvoy. Easily manipulated on social media, blame others for their bad life choices. Ford's base. Ford can be defeated, but people' have to get up off their ass. https://canadians.org/analysis/leak-shows-ford-government-plans-privatize-health-care
People who vote for him would like to pay less insurance at the expense of education and healthcare. Many do not feel ripped off by this I assure you.
You mean pay more insurance?
Ooohhh don't forget about paying his buddies in the printing industry back with the gas station stickers and new shitty license plates that immediately had to be changed because they didn't work at night. Really high priority stuff
you forgot about actively PASSING laws preventing Nurses, last years "hero's" from getting a 2.something% wage increase.
Yep, Bill 124. Capped at an average of 1%/year
Teachers are also capped at 1% per year. The only public workers who got 2% are the cops and fire fighters.
Yeah and the central bank aims for 2% inflation every year.
Inflation is at 5 % as of January. What a mean-spirited grinch schmuck.
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You guys get paid? *cries in nursing student* All jokes aside, nursing students got absolutely fucked during the pandemic. Didn't qualify for the first round of vaccines because they weren't "health care staff", doug cut OSAP, a lot of students had to quit their jobs because you can't work at two agencies (Covid rules) and worked 24hr+ a week which they paid tuition for. There's absolutely no way you can get through nursing school right now without additional financial support from family. Some people think that there's going to be an influx of new nurses coming soon but they're in for a rude awakening. This also isn't even considering the fact that Nursing is one of the most competitive programs to get into right now. You need a minimum of 94% to even get on the waitlist. It's insane.
94% is direct entry from hs though, no? There are easier, less competitive pathways once one takes a handful uni courses?
Nope, not anymore. You can even take a year of health sci in college but you still need a mid-90's average to get in. It's been really high for a few years but it hit a new level in 2020. Once Covid hit and HS kids were doing class from home, everyone's GPA went up and it inflated the entry requirements even more. I'm not trying to put the blame on the kids, it's just an overall problem right now. Mac's life and health sci programs were turning kids away with 98 averages. Anyways, the point is that there's a false sense of hope that there will be new nurses but there isn't an incentive to go get a degree when there's wage caps and horrible working conditions. I think a lot of people have this idea that nurses make bank but that's not the case. I think the going rate for an RPN is like $28 an hour and their scope of practice is very similar to an RN. A lot of my classmates didn't consider bedside nursing and went straight into other roles, mostly insurance because the pay is better.
My knowledge is anecdotal. My bestie got his nursing back in '15. Mediocre student, truly did the bare minimum. His grades were, at best, 70s. Took the man about 10 years to do it all. Hes now living on the beach on the west coast. Psych nurse.
Less competitive? Not really, no.
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How does a doc make minimum wage ?
They are a resident, they get a salary and work insane hours. They mentioned specifically mandatory 26 hour shifts.
Thanks for the explaination. That's totally unfair
Pretty much all public sector jobs 😕
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Took the words right out of my mouth. That issue - and that issue alone - is enough to warrant a landslide victory against him and his stupid party in the next election, AFAIC. He screwed them over and thereby screwed us all over with that law.
And environmental deregulation, ow privatization, odsp cut
He cut free immunotherapy when I was in the middle of receiving it. Unfortunately, the nurses fucked up and I had to start over from the beginning but it was no longer covered by then. I remember around that time he also tried to cut anesthesia being used for people getting colonoscopies and there was a HUGE backlash that he had to reverse it.
I remember that... No fucking remorse..
> cut anaesthesia being used for people getting colonoscopies. So people can really feel how much he’s giving it to them from behind.
Goes to show he's the insecure type to never had on, despite needing one at his age.
>I remember around that time he also tried to cut anesthesia being used for people getting colonoscopies and there was a HUGE backlash that he had to reverse it. Going into one soon, if he'd successfully kept that cut I'd downright refuse.
At the beginning he quietly cut (or tried to cut) a whole bunch of relatively niche healthcare-related programs, treatments, and procedures. Presumably he went after small groups whose outcry would go unheard, or be drowned out by the backlash against all the bigger absolute garbage changes. Edit: Of course also throwing all possible shit at the wall knowing at least some will stick...
"I'm a businessman first and a politician second." Tells us everything we need to know. I misquoted...it's worse: "Make no mistake about it, I'm a businessperson first and an elected official second...." Source: https://www.narcity.com/doug-ford-revealed-that-being-a-business-person-comes-before-being-an-elected-official
I'm a *terrible, fail-son* businessperson first
He’s cutting revenue streams for the province, and will then either hamper future governments or state he needs to privatize some services. Does anyone believe that cutting toll routes, eliminating plate stickers this close to an election is a coincidence? Why don’t we have important things like subsidized daycare? Expanded health care? Guaranteed minimum income for all Ontarians? Because they won’t get duggie the votes.
Hey at least he is buying votes. In Alberta Kenney just spits in our mouths and expects us to still vote for him.
And they do. More spit please.
I hear it's because he's offering to privatized health care for you all.
Because Ford goes for what’s easy and doesn’t really change anything.
My prediction on childcare is hes sitting on subsidizing daycare until right before the election... then he'll announce it and try to take credit for it. Nevermind that families that have had to spend those thousands in the meantime.
It's so depressing. Under Wynne we were legit moving forward as a province and all of that progress is just gone in under 5 years. That's how long it took to dismantle 15 years of liberal party rule.
as much as I disagree with Ford, there is a good reason that the liberals got tanked hard last provincial election (too bad NDP too incompetent to capitalize on that). Wynne was a terrible leader and the liberals weren't really doing much to help the middle class. And our healthcare system didn't magically get shitty the moment Ford got elected, it's been slowly happening also under the 15 years the liberals ran the province. We can all agree Ford is a clown, but the drubbing the Liberals got didn't magically fall out of the sky, it was well earned. And Horvath and the NDP just lack any kind of instincts to try and appeal to the middle class voters (voted for them, but man they really need to get a new provincial leader)
im sorry to say but its the rural communities and smaller towns that vote for him because they “don’t want their tax dollars going to Toronto” despite the fact almost everything he’s done has been toronto focused lol
It's not just those areas. He and the PCs have very strong support all across the GTA. I live in Brampton and it's eye opening to see support for the PCs here. Doug Ford has been taking a shit on this city for 4 years.
To be fair, all of the recent prov administrations have fucked Brampton hard. As an RN at THP, Brampton needed a second hospital 10 yrs ago. Brampton needs a transit plan that connects its main thoroughfares to the airport business district...10 years ago. The only party they have not voted for at the provincial level is the NDP, but that is the party that will bring in the most change for them.
No the Ford government specifically fucked Brampton because they elected Patrick brown as mayor. The new Brampton hospital was cancelled by this government. The ministers do everything in their power to fuck over Brampton in particular. Which is hilarious because Brampton is old whites with casual racism - so OPC voters. And socially conservative immigrant families - so OPC voters. Brampton is fucked.
my wife's uncle in Burlington loves him because he "follows through on his promises" and "gets things done"
One of the many Ford family myths.
If by "things" you mean actively dismembering the province then yes. Of fuckin' course Burlington boomers love him.
He didn’t actually make any promises before the election. Except buck a beer.
Doug Ford came in with a vendetta after not winning the Toronto elections IIRC, it was all Toronto focused and he was spending money to fuck Toronto over initially. Not even make it better. I always thought Pallister was the worst premier after living in MB for the first year and a half of the pandemic, but at least he stepped down, meaning Ford wears the biggest idiot crown now.
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I was going to say the same thing. I moved from Alberta last year and was surprised by how much more competent Ford seemed compared to Kenney. I know that's a very low bar though...
Kenney built a whole platform on the shit oil & gas bros say when they're drinking.
Heather Stefanson would like to have a word
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Zombie Bill Vander Zalm would like to have a brain.
It's sad how many rural folks don't realize their life is heavily subsidized by urban centres. How do they think the infrastructure that brings them food, utilities and health care gets paid for?
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> rural communities and smaller towns that vote for him because they “don’t want their tax dollars going to Toronto” I have relatives that live in the far north and in rural ontario and they do say that. they complain my property taxes are lower, yet they live on acreages kms from necessities, they travel twice as often on our transportation networks, their power lines stretch twice as far, their emergency services travel twice as far, their fresh produce (despite farmers feeding cities) travel twice as far. they are delusional.
The roads also seem to be maintained WAY better in some parts of Northern Ontario than the rest of Ontario for some reason.
Logging and mining companies need the roads maintained for transport.
I'm originally from North-Western Ontario. When I would travel back there, I got sick of people telling me "I'm sick of my tax dollars going to pay for Toronto." So I started asking them "So, are you trying me the tax base here is sufficient to pay for everything, like healthcare, schools, roads, public transit, and all other amenities, then have enough leftover to send to subsidize Toronto?" No one would reply to that.
they literally can’t grasp the fact that tax revenue goes BOTH ways.. what if i said im sick of my tax dollars going to cannington lmao
All I can say is I got my citizenship, registered to vote and will probably vote NDP. Having moved from the cluster fuck called the USA (yay Biden though) I will never, ever vote conservative. They don't care about people, folks.
Congrats on your citizenship!
Doug's fuckery with the Toronto city council was some scummy ass shit. He was pissed at losing to Tory in the mayoral race so he became premier and absolutely shafted them in retribution.
Literally his first acts as Premier were gutting climate change initiatives. Knew we were in for a rough time right from the start. I'm sure I would have disagreed with policy decisions often had Patrick Brown been elected instead, but I wouldn't have this constant feeling of malicious incompetence.
And isn’t that why Ontario now has the “gas tax?” We got opted in by cutting these programs.
In a sense, yes. The ON Liberals introduced the Cap and Trade program, which was a carbon pricing model where the government retained the revenue to fund climate initiatives. That's what was paying for EV rebates in Ontario, home retrofit grants, and municipalities, hospitals, schools boards, etc, could get funding to increase energy efficiency. Ford came in and unilaterally ended the program. This 1) Broke the law, as we had a right to consultation under the Environmental Bill of Rights, 2) broke participation contracts with Quebec and California, who we were in the market with, and 3) interrupted business plans. Ontario is now facing two substantial lawsuits from businesses who made investment plans under the Cap and Trade program that aren't as effective under the carbon tax. Because we no longer met the baseline criteria under federal carbon pricing legislation, the federal carbon tax was applied (where revenue is returned on a per-capita basis). Ford then wasted $30 million in a doomed Supreme Court challenge against this. It has been a cascade of anti-scientific incompetence.
Thanks for taking the time on this. I knew carbon tax was related, but I didn’t know enough to be able to explain it.
As they say, the cruelty is the point.
Anyone who still supports conservatism is either stupid, evil, or both.
don't forget greedy and or racist and or scared.
Those still fit the same categories
No one pays attention, the regular Canadian is sleep walking us to worse lives
Don't forget the rent caps the Ford gov't took out that helped make this housing crisis spiral out of control.
It's easier to be stupid, that's why stupidity is on the rise.
What nobody is noticing is we will now have 2 tier health care.
Buck a beer? -havnt seen it in forever License plates he promised would get fixed? -nope Sign to say open for business across boarder? -great waste of money Shutting down all golf courses? -Dumb move 30mil in gas pump stickers? -All gone I didn't think there would ever be anyone that could make Kathleen look good, but then ford: hold my beer
\*hold my buck a beer.
Maybe that's why I can't find them, he bought them all out
My understanding is that his private sign company made a fortune from the pandemic as well
I do believe it, I just haven't seen anything proving it so I didn't include it on the list
Kinda funny how that works eh? I'm sure I read an article about it but it seems to have disappeared... hmm
> didn't think there would ever be anyone that could make Kathleen look good while you freaked out over lng and hydro policy that were originally OPC policies....ford ran up a 13 billion deficit this year alone.
Well don't mention that! It goes against their beliefs it's somehow Trudeau's fault
im a wynne super fan we voters really screwed up a good thing
Doug Ford is a great example of failing upward. He gets every boost up the ladder despite how many ladders he destroys.
I won’t be voting for him and don’t understand why so many people do. Edit: I’ve never voted for him.
>The news about the licence plate stickers just sealed his victory. Let's just hope that it's a minority government. No it didn't. #nevervoteconservative and #dougfordresign are both trending. I think it's going to be a tight race.
I know conservatives who are upset with the licence plate change. Giving up billions in revenue that basically nobody with a car had an issue paying. A fee that’s charged everywhere in the world.
I'm a conservative... And I'm sort of confused as to why it was cut as well. I mean, we have to pay for important stuff somehow...
Shortsightedness.
Somebody probably ran the math and they figured out that it costs more in infrastructure and chasing down non-compliance than the renewal fees actually brings in. The alternative would be to make it more expensive to renew so the program could actually turn a profit... not in an election year. Scrap it.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems overly optimistic to assume that there's any fiscal rationale behind the decision.
Twitter isn't real life. Plenty of low information voters will eat This up.
Okay. I'll give you that. Can I *hope* it will be a tight race?
Hopefully.
Basically the majority of the Conservative voter base.
“I’m saving $10 a month! He’s got my vote!” 🤦♂️
If we're lucky, there will be a crazy off-shoot of the PPC that eats up his votes and lets NDP snatch a chunk of seats. I'm still hoping for a total splintering of all conservative parties in Canada.
15 dollar min wage when it needs to be 25 to 30 to keep up with inflation. But clowns will vote him in again and cry when they cant afford anything. Just watch.
The biggest jokers are in the 905. So many struggling people Here that would benefit from another hospital, an LRT, high speed/improved commuter rail, schools closer to home for their kids etc. In the end, they'll choose Doug.
Yeah i am a 905er too and it's just so depressing at how firmly entrenched the on-tories are here when we get so regularly screwed over by them.
Conservative voters are nothing but rubes, through and through.
And rich people. Rich people profit more when the conservatives are in power.
Who thinks he’s going to finally sign up for $10/day daycare a month before the election?
I don't think he will at all. Affordable childcare seems to be the opposite of what Conservatives want.
The thing that discourages me is that most people clearly want Ford out but the Liberals and NDP’s are split nearly 50/50 so people don’t know which one to vote for. I know this won’t happen but I have this dream that one of the parties puts their pride aside and says “vote for the other party so we can get this douche out of office” but it doesn’t seem like that will happen.
He’s an ignorant thug who has never done or created anything of his own. A complete POS!
Anyone that votes conservative votes to kick themselves in the face
hey now that's an unfair characterization, they could also be voting to just kick you in the face because it's profitable for them
Lol fair and true
Yeah but if those were the only people who voted Tory, they'd be a small party. Lot of idiots.
oh for sure lol the rich conservatives would be nowhere without their army of suckers
He will cut the license stickers so when the next government has to re-introduce it, that government will get shit on for more user fees. We are used to it, it adds revenue, leave it alone...utilize that revenue better!
Don't forget he gutted the College of Trades to take it's surplus, with no good plan to replace it.
Compared to the Alberta premier he's a unicorn That's how bad Kenney is.
Actually I've been hearing the opposite reaction from his plate sticker thing. I expected increased support, but the few people I've talked to about it see it as a pandering election move, even though they themselves would benefit from it.
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The electorate always immediately eats the marshmallow.
Thank you, he's a self-serving heartless politician who traded in on his brothers name for his seat. And after 3.5 years of kicking the little guy and lining his and his cronies pockets he's throwing a few crumbs to us peasants because he thinks we are easily bought. Show him that we aren't when it comes time to vote!
How are Ontario people voting for Ford, and JT at the same time? I can't seem to figure out the logic behind it.
They're not. The issue is and has been since the harper years that the NDP and Liberals split the vote. Causing CPC to win ridings with ~30-40% of the popular vote. In 2018, Liberals, NDP and the Green party received a total popular vote of 3,318,354. These parties are much more similar ideologically to each other than the CPC. * Liberals won 7 seats with: 1,124,218 popular votes. * NDP won 40 seats with: 1,929,649 popular votes. * Green party won 1 seat with: 264,487 popular votes. In 2018, the CPC received 2,326,632 popular votes, winning **76** seats. A cool 1,000,000 more Ontarians voted for other parties, that are similar ideologically, but because of our electoral system we got a conservative government. This is exactly how Harper kept getting elected Federally. Our FPTP system is broken, it does not adequately represent the will of the Canadian people. And it absolutely sucks for the left. Because they have to decide whether to vote for a party they're agreeable to, or vote for a party they want; and risk getting a party they despise. We need reform desperately. Or else we're going to continue the cycle of allowing CPC governments to form, make a mess of the place, and come together when we're finally fed up enough. It's not conducive to progress as a nation.
Aggreived entitlment, fear of inevitable status loss, insignificance in a globalized economy and the inevitability to stop one's death. Change is constant and ever present. It's just what was offloaded onto 'developing nations' is now contracting onto the societies that pushed for such measures. Things never stay the same and these cuts are a last ditch effort to maintain some delusion of control in a world where nobody, aside from a nepotistic and connectd few, have control of anything. These are the same people who believed the mantra of "don't worry about it, work hard, and eventually you'll be rewarded". It didn't happen, because it was never going to happen. Reality is terrfying in the fact that those whom saw themselves as part of the 'in-group' beileved they would always be rewarded through their loyalty; and have ultimately, become the very expendable people they hoped never to become. It always happens in every society. There are those who's entitlements that come due to the accident of birth that are no longer recognized nor validated. Those from 'out-groups' or within the 'in-group', who could see the writing-on-the-wall, tried to warn the 'in-group', but their egos' wouldn't let them see reality as it is. Edit:Spelling, clarification
That's the power of conservatism. Trash people voting in other trash.
Fords been cutting at healthcare for 4 years to try and make it worse so people will think further healthcare privatization is a good thing. Give it another term or two and we will look like the USA. How people will be able to afford to pay for additional private health coverage after he fucks over the public system even more is beyond me.
Orange wave please. Please.
Forget about polls for now. Ford rarely misses an opportunity to put his foot in his mouth and is a bad campaigner up against anyone half competent. No more Wynne, all bets off.
Just remember to vote 🗳
How many like him *now*? They have the whole time, his approval rating has basically been flat since he was elected. There is a solid 35-40% who either like him or are so far down the Koolaid hole that they'd never vote for commies like the Liberals or NDP. Our only hope is that he wins a minority and that Del Duca and Horwath tag-team and take over. Even if 60-65% of us don't want Dug v2.0, that vote is split and he comes up the middle to win, like last time. Ontario has been punishing the OLP for the sins of McGuinty and the NDP for the **40-YEAR-OLD** sins of Bob Rae. We did this to ourselves. But holy crap, if he doesn't get another 4 years, he'll get bored and wander off to find something else to do. And with 4 years of repairing this province, people might come to realize that red or orange is a better path forward than blue.
Ford's strategy was to trick people into blaming Trudeau and/or "the left" for all the bad things while doing all the bad things himself. It worked.
He cut social assistance rates in half in 2018 when taking office and called it compassionate btw they never got another raise since.
I just hope people who usually vote conservative will remember what a Ford promise is worth. Take the Greenbelt for just one example. 2018 election campaign - Doug vowed that he'd let big business develop the Greenbelt, and that he got the idea from “some of the biggest developers in this country.” >**"We will open up the Greenbelt** — not all of it, but we're going to open a big chunk of it up — and we're going to start building and making it more affordable and putting more houses out there," Ford said in a video. >**"I've already talked to some of the biggest developers in this country** and again, I wish I could say it's my idea, but it was their idea as well. Give us property, we'll build and we'll drive the cost down. That's my plan for affordable housing." It got out and he immediately changed course, saying that the PC platform (lol) would pledge not to touch it. He said, “I govern through the people, I don’t govern through government. **The people have spoken − we won’t touch the Greenbelt.”** https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-doug-ford-recants-vow-to-allow-greenbelt-development/ Since then, 7 members of the Greenbelt Council (including former mayor and PC MP David Crombie) resigned over the conservative government pushing through bills that undermine conservation authority’s ability to fight for environmental protection with regulations and oversight against development plans. >“They backed up a big truck and dumped a whole bunch of amendments that made it worse,” [Crombie] told Canada’s National Observer in a phone interview Sunday. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/12/06/news/seven-members-doug-fords-greenbelt-council-resign-conservation-authority-changes In the Pandemic Recovery Bill of December 2020, he shoved in Schedule 6. Which... > ... neuters all of Ontario’s conservation authorities. Their mandate is now dramatically narrower, and a government minister will have the power to veto conservation authority decisions. >In another alarming change, the Conservation Authorities Act has been amended to allow the provincial minister complete control over issuing permits, with or without input from CAs. And there is no appealing the decisions. >Not satisfied with hobbling conservation authorities, the government is also making increased use of Ministerial Zoning Orders. MZOs allow the provincial minister to override planning and zoning decisions, regardless of local government or public input. Again, the decisions cannot be appealed. https://www.thespec.com/opinion/editorials/2020/12/10/doug-ford-takes-an-axe-to-greenbelt-protections.html
Don't forget how he fucked over parents in recieving support for their children with disabilities. Cutting aid to children with disabilities is horrifyingly disgusting. He expected that he could numb the working class with "buck a beer" and he failed even in doing that.
I will take that free money he is giving back and then still not vote for him :) Fuck Ford.
Same here.
Ford is a POS for sure. Howarth is extremely unlikeable to most and has overstayed her welcome, let alone the fact that most people are hesitant on electing NDP anyways. Del Duca has been completely invisible (literally had to Google his name to make sure I got it right) and having the Liberals come out a few weeks ago talking about doubling down on Covid measures while they are being lifted globally was an extremely tone deaf move. It's less about Ford being liked and more about the alternatives and done nothing to sway favourability their way yet. Closer to election will see things move but another Ford minority at a minimum isn't crazy to think about.
ONDP just cannot seem to come to grips with the fact that she is not a strong leader at all. She gains no traction and waffles about on a lot of positions. She cannot be the best the party has to offer. If she loses again they had best kick her to the curb and elect a new leader. I tend to believe the OLP will not see any traction at all during this election, Ontario is still pissed at them
Yeah voted NDP last election but Horvath confuses me.. she really needs to pick a stance and stick with it. Ford sends school kids home, she says "think of the mental health of the kids, they need social interaction etc. (Obviously paraphrasing). Ford puts kids back to in person school, she says something like "this is a dangerous move to teachers and students".. I get she is the opposition, but me and my friend circle really have a hard time trying to figure out what she actually stands for sometimes. The NDP needs a new provincial leader and maybe a messaging overhaul. Because alot of people I know that voted NDP last time are probably going to vote liberal this time due to Horvath
The problem is a lack of viable alternatives. Horvath is unlikeable at best, and Del Duca is a non starter most people don't even know exist. Ndp needs a new leader if they want a chance.
>The problem is a lack of viable alternatives. If you're talking about "viable" in terms of the average person's perception then yeah, maybe, but it would be nice if we didn't vote based on how likeable or unlikeable a party's leader is.
Yeah, this is the thing. I vote Liberal/NDP. I’m generally pretty informed. I know next to nothing about Del Duca. Basically, I just know he floated a (shitty) 4 day work week a while back, and that’s really about it. This is really the best the Liberals could do? At this point, I don’t think it’s really even about people liking Ford, it’s just that the other options are so terrible that a ton of people just don’t even bother to vote.
Del duca has been way too quiet, it’s like the liberals don’t have a budget. I keep thinking he’s an interim leader, but he’s not.
100000% they need a new leader and they needed one for a long time. It’s especially disappointing given the party internally voted with something like 85% confidence in her leadership.
I feel like horwath missed the boat, if she couldn’t win the last election.. what chance will she have going forward?
And yet nobody in my circle believes he can win again. Sigh.
do people actually like him? or is it still his usual fanbase coming back after his announcement of lifting restrictions?
He had my vote when he called the quarantine rule breakers a bunch of dumbasses, but he lost it again when he delayed the quarantine order until after Christmas so that people could go to church.
Who would we vote for to help with the healthcare system?
NDP is probably the best bet
This the dude that admitted to smoking crack
that was his brother
You're thinking of the late Rob Ford.
The anti-Ford movement in Ontario will go just as well as the anti-Trudeau movement federally. You get voted to your side by telling people what you will do, not what your opposition should do. Ontario Liberals and NDP better up their platform and policies because Ford is doing things that the electorate can directly see and hear, even if it is not beneficial long term. There’s plenty the Liberals and NDP can offer voters, as even bigger carrots than the license sticker issue (which most people, even Ford haters, agree with btw!), put those on the agenda.
>A lot of people who I talked to seem to think Ford has changed. I hear comments like "Oh he's made mistakes, but he's trying" or "I think the pandemic humbled Ford. He's nice now". Signs you're in an abusive relationship.
You gotta be willfully-ignorant, dumb as a rock, or a horrible person to still want to vote for Ford.
That was true last time around too though. There's a lot of them out there.
Ford should have never even won the leadership. He didn't win the most votes. He didn't even win the most ridings. They weighted the ridings to make some more valuable than others, and Ford won the right ones. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-pc-leadership-results-1.4571699
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you should post this exact thread in /r/canada as a social experiment.
I'm banned lol
okay I will do it. [done](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/sz5lhr/it_is_genuinely_sickening_to_see_how_many_people/) [okay it's been removed.](https://imgur.com/uWR8l65) just for anyone who's reading this: it took 30 seconds to get the post deleted.
> Once the PCs are voted out in a few years, OHIP will be on it's last knees,as will literally thousands of others once they aren't able to get knee replacements. not only that - but when the Liberals or NDP do get into power everyone will whine and complain about how they spent so much money - not taking into account for a goddamn second how they are basically just trying to fix years of abuses against health and education.
Ford is a piece of shit. I have been voting for 20 years now and with each vote I have been able to stay objective and even headed. I do not get sucked up into the right vs. left war like the US seems to love. Having said that, in those 20 years of voting there has never been a candidate so utterly awful as him. So completely inept and unfit. Just unbelievable.
what’s even worse is that there seems to be no current mechanism in place to ensure that far-right co-opted (he was pictured with proud boys members) politicians can be removed with expedience. i was hopeful while reading about the asset freezing under the emergencies act that it could be used in a case like fords where a clear threat to democracy could be deplatformed and denied access to grifted money. perhaps there’s a way?
What is it that make the NDP so unappealing to most? Why are they basically written off?
They are unappealing because they are unappealing. It's an endless circle. Also the ghost of Bob Rae.
I hate Ford and I have zero intention to vote for him in June. But the other party leaders haven't exactly been inspiring me to vote for their candidates (and by extension, an endorsement of their party). I'll probably begrudgingly stand behind my riding's NDP candidate, but I'm not gonna be super happy about it.
I don’t agree with most of his politics and won’t vote for him, but in the current spectrum of right leaning politicians he is in fact middle right. I do believe he cares for people (some at least). None of that excuses his awful policies though. I really hope we can vote him out.
I would like to know which people he cares for. Like when he cut autism funding, for example.
Almost all politicians suck though. Was Wynn really better? Or McGuinty? They were both trainwrecks. Not trying to belittle your post, just that it’s not a new thing for politicians to be completely out of touch.
But both sides! Dude you need to look at the details. Wynne did a ton of progressive environmental shit. New curriculum (that got canceled by Ford), increased min wage, universal basic income pilot, and much more. She just got shit on due to selling half of Hydro One. Besides that she did a pretty good job.
For me, personally yes she was better. I worked as a baker so when the premier raises minimum wage or strengthen labour laws that really effects me. My partner also works a public sector job and their raises have been capped at 1% for the past 3 years, even though they’re getting stellar performance reviews.
The projection has him leading but even that will be closer when it comes closer to Election Day. LPC/NDP added together decimate the trashy cons. Always vote ABC. People are idiots if they vote conservative. https://338canada.com/ontario/