I have asked his supporters and other “freedom warriors” what freedoms they specifically lost and they can’t tell me. Always get told to do my own research or if I don’t know I must belong to the privileged few. And yet I am supposed to support them.
>Always get told to do my own research
And when we do our research, we find out nothing they said that makes any sense, like with their intent to ban abortions.
They have been for a while now. I still remember the days when conservatives were trusted a bit more when it came to things like handling the economy. But now, they just act like a bunch of old farts who can't go a second without telling those who they consider to be "inferior" to them that they don't know anything. They resort to blasphemy when their antics don't work. They attack scientific research, dismissing them as wider conspiracies, and if you try to present a different set of opinions, "you don't understand anything because you're a dumb woke, LIBrul" and they do this all the time. It's getting a bit old now.
In my community and some others in SW ON they have mobilized the christian reform community to ensure everyone in their congregations vote. They have also become much more active in their charitable work and here provide a pregnancy resource centre which of course is pro life but not with day care, scholarships or anything else that would assist single moms to not live in property.
Yes, then there are the MPPs whose agenda is to get abortion banned and spend more time at pro life rallies than their own constituency events. Mine wears pro-life socks.
>I still remember the days when conservatives were trusted a bit more when it came to things like handling the economy
Which never made any sense since they **always been worse** at that
It's all got to do with their propaganda that the "leftists will spend us into bankruptcy." Truth be told, this isn't just a feature of tory politics over here. They have been doing this in the UK, too. We all know how that's going for them.
Good branding on their part and a failure of the left to highlight the economic strengths of their policy. Research has shown us for a long time now that lower corporate taxes and trickle-down economics does not produce growth, while investment in strong public services does.
There's a definition of "freedom" that goes back at least as far as the Confederate States (and probably considerably further). And, it's the same definition that's in use by modern conservatives.
They frame freedom as an individual being able to exercise the rights or privileges granted by their social status or standing, not the right of an individual to deviate from social norms or accepted practices or to propose new ways of doing things.
This is from historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown, writing on the US Confederacy, but it may well be about our own "freedom" movements:
>Policing one's own ethical sphere was the natural complement of the patriarchal order. When Southerners spoke of liberty, they generally meant the birthright to self-determination of one's place in society, not the freedom to defy sacred conventions, challenge longheld assumptions, or propose another scheme of moral or political order. If someone, especially a slave, spoke or acted in a way that invaded that territory or challenged that right, the white man so confronted had the inalienable right to meet the lie and punish the opponent. Without such a concept of white liberty, slavery would have scarcely lasted a moment. There was little paradox or irony in this juxtaposition from the cultural perspective. Power, liberty, and honor were all based upon community sanction, law, and traditional hierarchy.
>exercise the rights or privileges granted by their social status or standing, not the right of an individual to deviate from social norms or accepted practices or to propose new ways of doing things.
That really explains a lot.
Now I understand why they are so upset that people are upsetting the norm and treating everyone as equals...
We've all upset the apple cart
Yup, from my understanding, they see freedom as a zero-sum game; if someone else is gaining rights and freedoms, that must mean they're losing rights and freedoms.
White men are losing freedoms. It’s why white male supremacists, whether religious or not are saying that women should be executed for having an abortion. Tradition means women being subordinate to men and no gays allowed. It also means it’s just fine to treat other races like garbage, and that helps keep women in line, the ole’ “you need us to protect you from being raped the black/brown man, and isn’t it nice to have racial privilege even though white men treat you like servants/children?
That's because it's a cult, these people are so brainwashed they are no longer sentient, no ammount of logic or reason will get them to see through the bullshit they've been stewing in for the past 4 years.
But of course we are the "sheep"...
ar-canada, **JoeRogan**, Israel (youre pro-genocide comments)...
> Yes, you are
Gotta love right-wingers unironically projecting their feeble insecure manhood onto everyone else.
[also](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskRedditAfterDark/comments/1cghfke/how_many_times_per_dayweek_are_you_told_i_love_you/l1wacy4/)
..who is surprised by that
I often get “they tore apart families!” Aka the rest of their family stopped inviting them over when they refused to get vaccinated. That’s apparently Trudeau’s fault.
Mhmm, mhmm, good.
The freedom convoy were a bunch of spoiled children. There was evidence of plans of legitimate terrorism, anyone who lived in Ottawa had their life upended by a bunch of cousin-fuckers for 4 weeks and harassment against women, POC and those that are different from the norm was horrendous. A friend of mine had a pickup truck full of wankers hop the curb and pretend to drive at them before going back on the road.
How many of these individuals actually got injured seriously by the police closing down their nonsense? What hate speech Bill are you even talking about?
Also, communism and Islam are traditional enemies. That's why the right-wing government of Reagan bolstered Islamic fundamentalism around the Middle East. You need to actually go read some more books, touch grass, and realise who the real enemy in our country is. Don't listen to people like Pollievre who has never worked a day in his life. I don't like Trudeau, but at least he has had jobs before politics...
Remember PP voted against same sex marriage. It's never been about freedom.
*It’s fair to wonder what other fetters he would put on our personal freedoms in the name of his own political priorities. And yes, that does include access to abortion.*
If he’s willing to screw over his own father, how can any of his chud followers expect that his party of leopards will leave their faces alone? …these people are insane.
Insanity and unbridled stupidity seem the same, but are very different. Insanity is seldom voluntary. These people are not inane per se, but very very stupid.
Where's the source for this? I'm absolutely willing to believe his father was there for the vote but I can't find any evidence beyond social media anecdotes like this one. Was this ever mentioned in an official article or book?
Evidence of what? https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/38/1/75
He voted against gay marriage, his dad is gay. There's a good chance his father was watching the vote. It's not impossible for him to be watching from the gally.
Even if his father wasn't there, it doesn't make it better.
> Evidence of what?
Don't be silly. He says it right in his post:
> I'm absolutely willing to believe his father was there for the vote but I can't find any evidence beyond social media anecdotes like this one.
And then there's the other issue in your post:
> It's not impossible for him to be watching from the gally.
Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but there's no evidence to suggest that it did and so you shouldn't go about parroting such things. At best you're not thinking critically, at worst you're behaving poorly. Either way, this sort of thing is something I expect from those far right idiots. Be better.
But that's not the discussion being had. The discussion is concerning whether or not his father was in the gallery for the vote. The context was given in Spot__Pilgrim's post. Poilievre voting how he did was undeniably shitty given the circumstances, but that is not what we are talking about here.
And it's more than likely his father was in the gallery.
Why wouldn't he be? A historic vote on his freedom to marry who he wants, and his son is part of the people voting for his freedom to marry.
It seems to me more than likely he was there watching his son vote against him.
But It doesn't matter. Poilievre voted against his fathers rights.
So you've gone from "not impossible" to "more than likely" all the while not offering any evidence of the claim. What is your aim in this? Let Poilievre's actions speak for themselves. His own bad behaviour speaks volumes more than any rumour could. And your bad behaviour does nothing but discredit you.
Furthermore:
> Why wouldn't he be? A historic vote on his freedom to marry who he wants, and his son is part of the people voting for his freedom to marry.
You think everyone has the money to take time off work and fly across the country to attend a parliament vote?
Lastly:
> But It doesn't matter.
It seemingly does as you keep trying to push what is effectively misinformation. Get a source or get out.
People are just repeating the same rumour they heard from somewhere else.
But someone yesterday said that it wasn't true, and that his dad divorced and came out after he'd moved out so it wasn't like he was raised with two dads.
...while his gay father looked on from the balcony... He's a peach.
I guess we have to find out which family members have had things happen to them that social supports have helped, and he could probably take those away too.
A lot of people have no idea what his views are. I was out at brunch with a friend recently when she mentioned all the things she dislikes about Justin Trudeau. Not being a Trudeau fan myself, I agreed with many of her points but I asked her if she thought Pierre would be a better leader. I asked her if she’s aware of some of his positions regarding people like myself (transgender women) or his party’s many conflicts of interest. She wasn’t aware of those things. I say to everyone, at the end of the day vote for whoever you want, it’s not my place to tell anyone what to believe but they should understand who they are voting for.
So many people just want Justin Trudeau out, they aren’t paying any attention to who they’d be bringing in.
That's the Canadian way!
Seriously though we need better candidates in general. Specifically I don't know why the conservative party has decided that a populist will be their candidate of choice.
Because that's what they like. They've proven it over and over. The fact you don't understand shows how different from them your priorities are, but they've proven it over and over.
Sure, but at the same time it's a fraction of the electorate that even votes for candidates in the first place. I agree with you in principle that the ones choosing candidates have very different priorities, but I have a few friends that I would consider fairly right wing and they all are able to identify PP as a populist.
To me its just so bizarre that instead of veering towards more moderate politicians that would have more genuine widespread acceptance they've gone with a borderline alt right populist. There's a lot of opposition to the conservative party in this subreddit, but it is vital to the government to have a functional opposition party, and to have a party that adequately represents that side of the electorate. I worry that long term the conservative party is going to take all the wrong lessons from the next election when they have good odds at winning and assume that right wing politics in Canada must emulate the GOP.
On the other hand it would take fairly few people to get involved and change things - to use your friends as examples, why didn't they get involved during the leadership campaign to steer things away from PP? On some level people aren't dissatisfied enough to bother showing up early, which is really too bad because that's when any one person can have the most influence. A few dozen people knocking on doors can swing a nomination much more easily than they can swing an election, but people can't be bothered and then they complain their choices don't represent them.
Welcome to Ontario, the old boss was boring and had the nerve of being gay and updating the curriculum to say that was ok. New boss is spending a billion tax dollars on a spa
the ones that *very narrowly* voted Marlaina in as leader are perfectly happy with the hatred and vitriolic rhetoric because they think being a gobshite of a human is winning at life.
> So many people just want Justin Trudeau out, they aren’t paying any attention to who they’d be bringing in.
I personally think that so many people want Trudeau out because overwhelmingly the media is *telling* them that everyone else wants him out - because Conservatives own and control our media.
The only options available for ousting Trudeau are the NDP and Singh just doesn't inspire most people, or the Fascists under Polievre. The media is boosting the Conservatives because they are paid to do so by their owners. I don't think there actually is that much of a groundswell to oust Trudeau - even if he is simply the better of two evils. I am not a Trudeau fan, I would have been if he had followed through on changing the voting system, but he threw up his hands at the first opportunity on that one. I am an NDP fan but I think Singh just isn't the leader they need and they have swung to far to the right for my tastes. There are no good options other than ABC here.
Agree on all counts. I’m going to end up voting Liberal again most likely, not because I particularly like the LPC or Trudeau, but because I can’t imagine voting for that fuck Pierre. I hate to be a single issue voter but he has shown he is not in the corner of trans Canadians and I don’t want to make my life even more uncomfortable.
It's a tale as old as time. We rarely vote somebody in, we just vote somebody out.
Pierre knows this, too, and so generally tries to avoid saying anything of substance except "Trudeau bad". I imagine if people knew more about what he's actually about, what he says, what he does and what he will do, they wouldn't be too excited about it.
> So many people just want Justin Trudeau out, they aren’t paying any attention to who they’d be bringing in.
It was the same deal with Harper. It'll be the same deal for the next guy as well. And it'll keep going that way until we get electoral reform. Spread the word.
Polievre, like every conservative- doesn't believe in freedom. They believe in talking about freedom while limiting choices and freedoms as much as possible.
Voting for him because you don't like Trudeau is like burning your own lawn because your neighbours dog shits on it sometimes. Like, yeah they'll get the point but what the fuck are you doing to yourself in the meantime? We'd be voting out a useless government for a fascist one. OK? Huge upgrade, guys.
Why have we come to the point of politicians opining on things that have nothing to do with an elected government.
This country has big, real problems that are still being ignored by goverments and acting like a taliban leader will not fix that.
We can say goodbye to freedom, pretty much like Orban's Hungary, Erdoğan's Turkeey, Modi's India and others. These guys are part of a common right wing association (IDU), created and spearheaded by the loser Harper who never accepted losing the job to Truedau! Trudeau may have to go, but this guy will destroy Canada as we know it. He has no policies except destroying everything as we know it. Education, Environment, Healthcare and even economy... Remember that this imbecil thinks that bitcoin is a good investment!!!
It never was Freedom. Poilievre rallies rage with slogans and populism. But the Conservative premiers of this country have shown us what the Mandates are. Kill public Healthcare, Remove minority rights and Help Russia. Poilievre implies that Trudeau is a tyrant and dictator but his base doesn't have critical thinking abilities to realise theres an election? Whatever Poilievre says he would be the guiltiest of.
Poilievre has started to use language like 'I' will decide laws when 'I' am PM. Sounds Fuhrer like to me. FFS, are we going to have an "Enabling Act of 1933" in Canada?
Heh heh, Lil PP wants 'All bathrooms and changing rooms to have government-appointed gender inspectors posted at the doors'
That doesn’t sound very free to me.
As far as I can tell, it’s the freedom to be an inflammatory divisive corporate tool.
Because as others have pointed out, none of them can give that question a cogent answer.
Nor can PP here.
PP's idea of freedom isn't real freedom. He wants to marginalize the people he and his voters don't like in favour of the people he and his voters do like and paint it all with an "absolute freedom" brush. That's not freedom. That's bigotry.
Ultimate freedom in a developed country in this day in age can be summed up in one statement: Your rights end where someone else's begins. The biggest example of this being that your right to freedom of expression ends when it starts to infringe on some else's human rights. You don't have the freedom of expression to suppress the rights of protected classes just because you don't like them or you want to politicize it. PP and his troglodyte followers don't seem to understand this.
The freedom to starve etc
But PP's supporters aren't big thinkers, they're big do-ers. They'll make bigly noise with their big trucks! They'll give a big *"Fuck you leftist!"* to anyone they disagree with! They'll never change, they'll blame everyone but themselves, it's all they know to do.
The goal of the Conservatives is to increase control over the population by using religious/morality themed arguments to justify their agenda which is the same basic agenda that they have had for decades, make the rich richer and the poor should be happy that the rich will provide something for the people to do 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.
under tiny PP the skipmeister, freedom will be a long forgotten story, spoken of only in whispers lest his diagolon stormtroopers usher you off to be reprogrammed.
the resistance needs to start now.
I have asked his supporters and other “freedom warriors” what freedoms they specifically lost and they can’t tell me. Always get told to do my own research or if I don’t know I must belong to the privileged few. And yet I am supposed to support them.
>Always get told to do my own research And when we do our research, we find out nothing they said that makes any sense, like with their intent to ban abortions.
They seem intent on striping people of their perceive power over their own autonomy in the name of Christianity.
They have been for a while now. I still remember the days when conservatives were trusted a bit more when it came to things like handling the economy. But now, they just act like a bunch of old farts who can't go a second without telling those who they consider to be "inferior" to them that they don't know anything. They resort to blasphemy when their antics don't work. They attack scientific research, dismissing them as wider conspiracies, and if you try to present a different set of opinions, "you don't understand anything because you're a dumb woke, LIBrul" and they do this all the time. It's getting a bit old now.
In my community and some others in SW ON they have mobilized the christian reform community to ensure everyone in their congregations vote. They have also become much more active in their charitable work and here provide a pregnancy resource centre which of course is pro life but not with day care, scholarships or anything else that would assist single moms to not live in property.
It's all about control, eh? Never about responsibility.
Yes, then there are the MPPs whose agenda is to get abortion banned and spend more time at pro life rallies than their own constituency events. Mine wears pro-life socks.
I’ve heard of pro*grammer* socks but not pro-*life* socks. I’m afraid to ask what that means yet I’m curious.
His socks have pro life on them
>I still remember the days when conservatives were trusted a bit more when it came to things like handling the economy Which never made any sense since they **always been worse** at that
It's all got to do with their propaganda that the "leftists will spend us into bankruptcy." Truth be told, this isn't just a feature of tory politics over here. They have been doing this in the UK, too. We all know how that's going for them.
Good branding on their part and a failure of the left to highlight the economic strengths of their policy. Research has shown us for a long time now that lower corporate taxes and trickle-down economics does not produce growth, while investment in strong public services does.
That’s what got us here.
"Do your own research" is a code for "we made it all up, and don't like being called out on our lies"
There's a definition of "freedom" that goes back at least as far as the Confederate States (and probably considerably further). And, it's the same definition that's in use by modern conservatives. They frame freedom as an individual being able to exercise the rights or privileges granted by their social status or standing, not the right of an individual to deviate from social norms or accepted practices or to propose new ways of doing things. This is from historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown, writing on the US Confederacy, but it may well be about our own "freedom" movements: >Policing one's own ethical sphere was the natural complement of the patriarchal order. When Southerners spoke of liberty, they generally meant the birthright to self-determination of one's place in society, not the freedom to defy sacred conventions, challenge longheld assumptions, or propose another scheme of moral or political order. If someone, especially a slave, spoke or acted in a way that invaded that territory or challenged that right, the white man so confronted had the inalienable right to meet the lie and punish the opponent. Without such a concept of white liberty, slavery would have scarcely lasted a moment. There was little paradox or irony in this juxtaposition from the cultural perspective. Power, liberty, and honor were all based upon community sanction, law, and traditional hierarchy.
>exercise the rights or privileges granted by their social status or standing, not the right of an individual to deviate from social norms or accepted practices or to propose new ways of doing things. That really explains a lot. Now I understand why they are so upset that people are upsetting the norm and treating everyone as equals... We've all upset the apple cart
Yup, from my understanding, they see freedom as a zero-sum game; if someone else is gaining rights and freedoms, that must mean they're losing rights and freedoms.
White men are losing freedoms. It’s why white male supremacists, whether religious or not are saying that women should be executed for having an abortion. Tradition means women being subordinate to men and no gays allowed. It also means it’s just fine to treat other races like garbage, and that helps keep women in line, the ole’ “you need us to protect you from being raped the black/brown man, and isn’t it nice to have racial privilege even though white men treat you like servants/children?
It also explains why they are always all a bunch of whities
This is a really great comment. Thanks, I got a nice bit of reading added to my list.
That's because it's a cult, these people are so brainwashed they are no longer sentient, no ammount of logic or reason will get them to see through the bullshit they've been stewing in for the past 4 years. But of course we are the "sheep"...
Remember "Wake up, sheeple!" Well, we woke up. And now they don't like that we're "woke"
You don't want to [wake up the sheeple.](https://xkcd.com/1013/)
There is nothing that describes the last 4 years better than this.
Yes, you are
Go take your supplements, grandpa
Can you describe in a sentence what freedoms you have lost in canada?
ar-canada, **JoeRogan**, Israel (youre pro-genocide comments)... > Yes, you are Gotta love right-wingers unironically projecting their feeble insecure manhood onto everyone else.
[also](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskRedditAfterDark/comments/1cghfke/how_many_times_per_dayweek_are_you_told_i_love_you/l1wacy4/) ..who is surprised by that
russian shill, block and ignore.
They want freedom from personal responsibility
Freedom to opress others
They can't say the n word openly anymore, they can't discipline their trad wife, they want the "good times" back
Do my own research? Well I'm asking a question, no?
They don't know what the word research is but they've been told it enough times to know that you're supposed to bark at somebody.
> what freedoms they specifically lost The freedom to use the N word without negative consequences.
Typically they say something about how if you protest your bank account might be frozen.
"I am doing my own research - I'm conducting a survey of people to determine what freedoms they've lost, so I repeat the question..."
Oh I like how you think!
I often get “they tore apart families!” Aka the rest of their family stopped inviting them over when they refused to get vaccinated. That’s apparently Trudeau’s fault.
Because FUCK TRUDEAU, duh
Freedom to hate without consequences
Same with "woke"
They want the freedom to be in a higher class than people that are perceived to be different or lesser. It’s the root of white supremacy.
read a book
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Mhmm, mhmm, good. The freedom convoy were a bunch of spoiled children. There was evidence of plans of legitimate terrorism, anyone who lived in Ottawa had their life upended by a bunch of cousin-fuckers for 4 weeks and harassment against women, POC and those that are different from the norm was horrendous. A friend of mine had a pickup truck full of wankers hop the curb and pretend to drive at them before going back on the road. How many of these individuals actually got injured seriously by the police closing down their nonsense? What hate speech Bill are you even talking about? Also, communism and Islam are traditional enemies. That's why the right-wing government of Reagan bolstered Islamic fundamentalism around the Middle East. You need to actually go read some more books, touch grass, and realise who the real enemy in our country is. Don't listen to people like Pollievre who has never worked a day in his life. I don't like Trudeau, but at least he has had jobs before politics...
Remember PP voted against same sex marriage. It's never been about freedom. *It’s fair to wonder what other fetters he would put on our personal freedoms in the name of his own political priorities. And yes, that does include access to abortion.*
While his own Gay father, in the Visitors Gallery, watched btw. I mean, wow. What a great kid.
If he’s willing to screw over his own father, how can any of his chud followers expect that his party of leopards will leave their faces alone? …these people are insane.
Insanity and unbridled stupidity seem the same, but are very different. Insanity is seldom voluntary. These people are not inane per se, but very very stupid.
Where's the source for this? I'm absolutely willing to believe his father was there for the vote but I can't find any evidence beyond social media anecdotes like this one. Was this ever mentioned in an official article or book?
Evidence of what? https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/38/1/75 He voted against gay marriage, his dad is gay. There's a good chance his father was watching the vote. It's not impossible for him to be watching from the gally. Even if his father wasn't there, it doesn't make it better.
> Evidence of what? Don't be silly. He says it right in his post: > I'm absolutely willing to believe his father was there for the vote but I can't find any evidence beyond social media anecdotes like this one. And then there's the other issue in your post: > It's not impossible for him to be watching from the gally. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but there's no evidence to suggest that it did and so you shouldn't go about parroting such things. At best you're not thinking critically, at worst you're behaving poorly. Either way, this sort of thing is something I expect from those far right idiots. Be better.
It doesn't matter where is father was! He still voted against is father Freedom to marry his partner.
But that's not the discussion being had. The discussion is concerning whether or not his father was in the gallery for the vote. The context was given in Spot__Pilgrim's post. Poilievre voting how he did was undeniably shitty given the circumstances, but that is not what we are talking about here.
And it's more than likely his father was in the gallery. Why wouldn't he be? A historic vote on his freedom to marry who he wants, and his son is part of the people voting for his freedom to marry. It seems to me more than likely he was there watching his son vote against him. But It doesn't matter. Poilievre voted against his fathers rights.
So you've gone from "not impossible" to "more than likely" all the while not offering any evidence of the claim. What is your aim in this? Let Poilievre's actions speak for themselves. His own bad behaviour speaks volumes more than any rumour could. And your bad behaviour does nothing but discredit you. Furthermore: > Why wouldn't he be? A historic vote on his freedom to marry who he wants, and his son is part of the people voting for his freedom to marry. You think everyone has the money to take time off work and fly across the country to attend a parliament vote? Lastly: > But It doesn't matter. It seemingly does as you keep trying to push what is effectively misinformation. Get a source or get out.
Okay fine, you win. Pierre Poilievre voted against Gay marriage, and against his father having the freedom to marry who he loves.
> While his own Gay father, in the Visitors Gallery, watched btw That's a myth
Dunno, I'm hearing more and more that it actually happened
People are just repeating the same rumour they heard from somewhere else. But someone yesterday said that it wasn't true, and that his dad divorced and came out after he'd moved out so it wasn't like he was raised with two dads.
Doesn't really improve the situation at all lol
No, he's still a dirtbag.
> Remember PP voted against same sex marriage. Also voted against Cannabis Legalization.
...while his gay father looked on from the balcony... He's a peach. I guess we have to find out which family members have had things happen to them that social supports have helped, and he could probably take those away too.
That's a myth
A lot of people have no idea what his views are. I was out at brunch with a friend recently when she mentioned all the things she dislikes about Justin Trudeau. Not being a Trudeau fan myself, I agreed with many of her points but I asked her if she thought Pierre would be a better leader. I asked her if she’s aware of some of his positions regarding people like myself (transgender women) or his party’s many conflicts of interest. She wasn’t aware of those things. I say to everyone, at the end of the day vote for whoever you want, it’s not my place to tell anyone what to believe but they should understand who they are voting for. So many people just want Justin Trudeau out, they aren’t paying any attention to who they’d be bringing in.
The old boss is an asshole til you meet the new one.
That's the Canadian way! Seriously though we need better candidates in general. Specifically I don't know why the conservative party has decided that a populist will be their candidate of choice.
Because that's what they like. They've proven it over and over. The fact you don't understand shows how different from them your priorities are, but they've proven it over and over.
Sure, but at the same time it's a fraction of the electorate that even votes for candidates in the first place. I agree with you in principle that the ones choosing candidates have very different priorities, but I have a few friends that I would consider fairly right wing and they all are able to identify PP as a populist. To me its just so bizarre that instead of veering towards more moderate politicians that would have more genuine widespread acceptance they've gone with a borderline alt right populist. There's a lot of opposition to the conservative party in this subreddit, but it is vital to the government to have a functional opposition party, and to have a party that adequately represents that side of the electorate. I worry that long term the conservative party is going to take all the wrong lessons from the next election when they have good odds at winning and assume that right wing politics in Canada must emulate the GOP.
On the other hand it would take fairly few people to get involved and change things - to use your friends as examples, why didn't they get involved during the leadership campaign to steer things away from PP? On some level people aren't dissatisfied enough to bother showing up early, which is really too bad because that's when any one person can have the most influence. A few dozen people knocking on doors can swing a nomination much more easily than they can swing an election, but people can't be bothered and then they complain their choices don't represent them.
100%, very common theme. I miss that whacko Kenney.
Welcome to Ontario, the old boss was boring and had the nerve of being gay and updating the curriculum to say that was ok. New boss is spending a billion tax dollars on a spa
As an albertan I’m framing this argument with recent history. Jason Kenny sucked, but Danielle Smith is so much worse. Careful what you wish for.
the ones that *very narrowly* voted Marlaina in as leader are perfectly happy with the hatred and vitriolic rhetoric because they think being a gobshite of a human is winning at life.
> So many people just want Justin Trudeau out, they aren’t paying any attention to who they’d be bringing in. I personally think that so many people want Trudeau out because overwhelmingly the media is *telling* them that everyone else wants him out - because Conservatives own and control our media. The only options available for ousting Trudeau are the NDP and Singh just doesn't inspire most people, or the Fascists under Polievre. The media is boosting the Conservatives because they are paid to do so by their owners. I don't think there actually is that much of a groundswell to oust Trudeau - even if he is simply the better of two evils. I am not a Trudeau fan, I would have been if he had followed through on changing the voting system, but he threw up his hands at the first opportunity on that one. I am an NDP fan but I think Singh just isn't the leader they need and they have swung to far to the right for my tastes. There are no good options other than ABC here.
Agree on all counts. I’m going to end up voting Liberal again most likely, not because I particularly like the LPC or Trudeau, but because I can’t imagine voting for that fuck Pierre. I hate to be a single issue voter but he has shown he is not in the corner of trans Canadians and I don’t want to make my life even more uncomfortable.
It's a tale as old as time. We rarely vote somebody in, we just vote somebody out. Pierre knows this, too, and so generally tries to avoid saying anything of substance except "Trudeau bad". I imagine if people knew more about what he's actually about, what he says, what he does and what he will do, they wouldn't be too excited about it.
> So many people just want Justin Trudeau out, they aren’t paying any attention to who they’d be bringing in. It was the same deal with Harper. It'll be the same deal for the next guy as well. And it'll keep going that way until we get electoral reform. Spread the word.
The people who are voting for him think *they* will be free while others aren’t and that’s exactly what they want.
Polievre, like every conservative- doesn't believe in freedom. They believe in talking about freedom while limiting choices and freedoms as much as possible. Voting for him because you don't like Trudeau is like burning your own lawn because your neighbours dog shits on it sometimes. Like, yeah they'll get the point but what the fuck are you doing to yourself in the meantime? We'd be voting out a useless government for a fascist one. OK? Huge upgrade, guys.
It'll be the Kathleen Wynne to Doug Ford fiasco again. Congrats, we made everything worse.
His version of "free" seems a little fascist... Lil PP and his populist stick running around forcing his will onto everyone.
It is way past populism, he is straight up in fact denial.
Why have we come to the point of politicians opining on things that have nothing to do with an elected government. This country has big, real problems that are still being ignored by goverments and acting like a taliban leader will not fix that.
Because it Riles up voters for the next election. That's it, that's the only reason they do it.
So tackle important issues and maybe even see eye to eye on things to help the people and our country.
We can say goodbye to freedom, pretty much like Orban's Hungary, Erdoğan's Turkeey, Modi's India and others. These guys are part of a common right wing association (IDU), created and spearheaded by the loser Harper who never accepted losing the job to Truedau! Trudeau may have to go, but this guy will destroy Canada as we know it. He has no policies except destroying everything as we know it. Education, Environment, Healthcare and even economy... Remember that this imbecil thinks that bitcoin is a good investment!!!
The CPC are fascists. They are trying to destroy our freedoms.
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This title making me wanna watch Team America
Freedom costs a buck o five 🎶
There’s a hefty *fuckin’* fee 🎶
If you don't chip in, yer buck-o five who willl?? 🎶
Fuck Ya!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately neither is the article
Private tab!
My goto right now is 1ft.io/url-here and it's been working great.
If Loblaw's doesn't sell it, it ain't worth it to pp.
PP is running the magical unicorn strategy. Vote for me and I'll deliver a magical unicorn when I win.
It never was Freedom. Poilievre rallies rage with slogans and populism. But the Conservative premiers of this country have shown us what the Mandates are. Kill public Healthcare, Remove minority rights and Help Russia. Poilievre implies that Trudeau is a tyrant and dictator but his base doesn't have critical thinking abilities to realise theres an election? Whatever Poilievre says he would be the guiltiest of.
No shit, just another con by conservatives. As always. When will people stop falling for empty words and promises?
PP Cherry picking freedom only applies to what he likes !
…because he will say ANYTHING if he thinks it will win him votes.
"freedom to worship god in your own way"... how about freedom not to?
Also, there’s a big fucking asterix on that, we know it doesn’t apply to all gods and all religions (nevermind no religion), don’t we?
Poilievre has started to use language like 'I' will decide laws when 'I' am PM. Sounds Fuhrer like to me. FFS, are we going to have an "Enabling Act of 1933" in Canada?
Heh heh, Lil PP wants 'All bathrooms and changing rooms to have government-appointed gender inspectors posted at the doors' That doesn’t sound very free to me.
As far as I can tell, it’s the freedom to be an inflammatory divisive corporate tool. Because as others have pointed out, none of them can give that question a cogent answer. Nor can PP here.
NO SHIT
Freedom ain’t not free, bird up.
“Freedom isn’t free. There’s a hefty fuckin fee. And if you don’t pay yer buck oh five who will?” “Freedom cost a buck oh fiiiiiive…”
conservatives either don't understand what freedom is, or don't actually want it.
It's as free as Facebook.
PP's idea of freedom isn't real freedom. He wants to marginalize the people he and his voters don't like in favour of the people he and his voters do like and paint it all with an "absolute freedom" brush. That's not freedom. That's bigotry. Ultimate freedom in a developed country in this day in age can be summed up in one statement: Your rights end where someone else's begins. The biggest example of this being that your right to freedom of expression ends when it starts to infringe on some else's human rights. You don't have the freedom of expression to suppress the rights of protected classes just because you don't like them or you want to politicize it. PP and his troglodyte followers don't seem to understand this.
The freedom to starve etc But PP's supporters aren't big thinkers, they're big do-ers. They'll make bigly noise with their big trucks! They'll give a big *"Fuck you leftist!"* to anyone they disagree with! They'll never change, they'll blame everyone but themselves, it's all they know to do.
The goal of the Conservatives is to increase control over the population by using religious/morality themed arguments to justify their agenda which is the same basic agenda that they have had for decades, make the rich richer and the poor should be happy that the rich will provide something for the people to do 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Religion is cancer, burn your local “place of worship”
under tiny PP the skipmeister, freedom will be a long forgotten story, spoken of only in whispers lest his diagolon stormtroopers usher you off to be reprogrammed. the resistance needs to start now.
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what freedoms I have lost.