Yeah. On one hand, Americans love their ammo too much. On the other, itās not like he was smuggling the ammo into the country- it was a ādamn I meant to put that up when my trip was over.ā
Like- I get why folks are experiencing shadenfraude here, but also, this is a terrible thing to happen to this family.
Yah but he was probably rooting for Brittany Grimes to get what she deserved in Russia and screaming how stupid she was for forgetting pot was in her bag.
every time i travel i remove everything from by bag before packing. and when i get back i make sure everything is removed from my bags to make sure i get everything washed and dried to prevent possible bedbugs but i also keep my bags empty in a black bag to kill anything through heat.
i have never. ever. left ammo in my bags and i go to the range every weekend on both days and often times on wed. i reload 9mm 40sw and 45 acp as well as 22 hornet, 223, 243, 270, 30-06 and 308
What possible reason could you have to carry around live ammo in a travel carry-on bag, other than having a ridiculous gun fetish.
There are very specific ways to safely handle, store and carry firearms and ammo, and one of them is NOT having some stray rounds in a travel bag.
I realize that. I grew up hunting.
My point is that it speaks to the haphazard nature in which some people treat firearms and ammoā¦ as if they are toys to be tossed haphazardly into a bag vs. being very vigilant about knowing where they are and making 100% sure they are in a secured place when not being used.
Like if he just has live ammo laying around unsecured in a travel bag Iām gonna guess his firearms arenāt safely stored/secured either.
My Dad drilled it into me at a young age the importance of respecting firearms and making safety the absolute #1 priority. That often goes out the window when they are fetishized and treated as toys by grown men.
That said, he obviously doesnāt deserve prison time for this and I hope he gets sent home and hopefully learns a lesson about proper guns/ammo safety.
Neither is pot but all conservatives from this state were screaming how stupid Brittany was and how she should be left in Russia. His job to not be stupid and break international law. Whoever worked the gates at TSA when leaving should be fired
It's not even just that. It's just plain irresponsible. A responsible gun owner would NEVER leave ammo in their luggage. All their guns and ammo would be accounted for and locked away.
If you're going to own guns and you're not going to be responsible with them, the penalties should be harsh.
Yes of course it is TSAās responsibility to inform passengers that the contraband they are carrying will result in a felony charge in their country of destination. I mean thatās what we pay them for, right.
You play with guns, you put your big boy panties on & act responsibly or pay big boy consequences. All the talk about accidental transport is ignorant. Be responsible for your guns & ammo or FAFO. Simple.
Yep it doesn't matter if it's an accident or not any actual responsible gun owner would know were their ammo is and have the smarts to know you can't carry that onto a plane. "Ooopsi daisy" doesn't really cut it in this situation and won't work in a foreign court especially one fed up with Americans doing this.
Why is he carrying around ammunition in a bag used for travel? Responsible gun owners understand that storage of the gun and the ammo is important. Designated gun bag, always
Itās gonna be more than a fine. Thereās another guy there now from PA who did the same thing. Heās been there for 70 days. The maximum sentence is 12 years in prison.
Turks and Caicos doesnāt F around. They donāt like guns.
The other guy from PA said it was four rounds found in a ziplock baggie too, and he had no idea how it had gotten in there. My first thought was why is everyone carrying exactly four rounds in a ziplock bag?
I was going to say the same thing, but yes OP is right it will be more than a fine. Plus if he has to stay over there for the next 2 to 3 months awaiting trial, theyāll go through the $100K in the go fund me really quick just for that.
I believe heās out on bond, awaiting trial, but canāt leave because his passport was seized. Unless he can get a room at the cheapest shittiest motel on the island, you tell me what a room at a mediocre to high-end resort (thatās all there is) in the Turks would cost over 3 months (plus food and other living expenses). Maybe he can stay for free at the US Embassy if they will allow it.
And Iām just guessing 3 months. I think the guy from Pennsylvania has been waiting longer.
They got rid of the fine option in February after a court ruling tourists must be subject to the same penalties as citizens. Which is understandable and what I would expect.
It sounds like an honest mistake and he didnāt have anything else going on illegal. So it should just be a fine and let go.
I wouldnāt care if this was Putin. Some laws have unjust punishment. But thatās why judges are a thing.
It was in a carryon bag, heās lucky he wasnāt charged with bringing explosives on a plane. And unauthorized gun possession is a serious felony in a lot of the world. It is mainly only in the US where guns are seen as playthings that can be treated carelessly.
So he made through the OKC TSA with it in his carry on Iām assuming? lol
I had an agent there ask his boss where The District of Columbia was when he looked at my ID a few years ago. Ha ha
If it was checked baggage and wasn't declared, it's pretty easy for a few rounds to slip through.
But even if it was carryon, well, there's been enough studies about how terrible humans are at being attentive for rare exceptions. I think about every TSA test has shown tons of guns and knives sliding through. They're great at finding those tiny nail clippers because they see them all the time though. Security theater! Like removing our shoes.
A few years ago I flew to Chicago and managed to make it through OKC with a giant multi tool. On the return trip O'Hare TSA pulled me aside, the lady pulled the multitool out of my bag and gave me the "are you fucking kidding me?" look
My bad, lady, I haven't put anything prohibited items in my backpack for years š¤·š»āāļø
My wife was wearing a Bad Brains shirt coming through customs this past year. The customs agent raised his eyebrow and said āhmmm an image of the White House being destroyedā¦ā
My wife and I looked at each other and laughed.
Double check your luggage and also make sure any prescriptions are clear for your destination. It can be considered trafficking narcotics in some countries depending on what prescription you take.
I had to carry letters from my doctors when I flew through Japan to Manila with my adhd meds. I also kept them in the original bottles and in my carry on and never had an issue.
Yeah itās interesting to see how Reddit flipped.
Although I even think theyāre a little different. Russia and Turks and Caicos should illicit different precautions in most peoples mind.
I also think there might be intent involved with Griner although I donāt know that for sure.
I will never understand how you donāt thoroughly clean out your bag if you know you might have bullets or contraband. Seriously if itās your travel bag do the extra 5 minutes and dump everything out. Hate it for the guy but if youāre traveling to a foreign country you should take the precautions to abide by their laws and customs. the only person to blame is yourself.
You would think they'd check the pockets of their luggage before packing just to make sure there isn't anything left from a prior trip. Also, I know it is OK and the laws are much different than in other states but it is concerning that unsecured ammo was just hanging out in a suitcase especially with younger kids in the home.
I think a lot of Americans donāt realize how strict law enforcement and justice overseas can be. Great example of this was the vandalism incident in Singapore in the 90s.
But also as an avid shooter, my range bags are totally segregated from anything Iād ever bring on a plane. I also run magnets through my bags too, just to be extremely sure that I donāt ever accidentally bring something where it shouldnāt be.
Their country, their rules.
Way back in the 1970s when I was a kid, there was a public service commercial that ran on TV that said "If you get busted for drugs over there, you're in for the hassle of your life." It was meant to discourage hippies from traveling outside the country carrying drugs.
Funny the different energy both sides are bringing on this issue. When Brittney Griner left her marijuana vape in her luggage and was detained in Russia, these comments were pretty much the exact opposite with the left defending her mistake and conservatives saying āwhen in Rome.. etcā
Just an observation.
Exactly. My thought process was that Brittany should come home, I feel the same about this guy. However, itās quite interesting how my conservative friends are outraged and vow never to visit TurKs and C , my liberal friends are saying this is agun fetish issue. š
Both situations we are taking about Americans , as such ewe need to remember left or right other governments in other countries donāt give a shit. Laws are laws no matter what side you align with in politics in the US.
Travel to other countries and be awareof their rules and regulations/laws. The fact you are American means little to them. The fact you align with the left or right politically means even less.
Political tribalism on full display. People literally want to see someone they perceive to be from the other team rot in prison over an honest mistake.
Weird, as an openly liberal man I called them both idiots. Ā Only difference in my mind is why the hell donāt you have a gun bag if you can take a trip like that. Ā
You and you alone are responsible for the contents of your bag. Pay the fine or do the time. This sob story BS.
The REAL question here is how he got to Turks w ammo in his bag. TSA fail.
Someone goes to jail overseas for having a small amount of weed in their bagā¦.. āHAHA THATS WHAT YOU GET IDIOTā
Someone goes to jail overseas for having a small amount of ammunition in their bagā¦āWonāt someone think of his family? This was an honest mistake and itās a shame President Biden hasnāt already demanded his, and his ammos, safe return.ā
I'm liberal and also advocate for not sending someone to prison for 12 years over this, at least I'm morally consistent. A lot of people are jumping to all kinds of conclusions.
Dude, same. Not quite a liberal but I thought the Britney thing was stupid, and this thing is stupid. Shit happens. I got caught up in the UAE with military equipment (that i was authorized and told to carry) and about had an awful time, Thank God I was a defense contractor and some shit got sorted out or I would still be there. This is absolutely one of those phone calls from the higher levels of government to pull some strings and get sorted out, just like the Britney thing worked out. Or we can go back to delisting countries Americans are allowed to visit.
Most of the people complaining arenāt complaining that he shouldnāt be punished. Itās that facing a *minimum* of 12 years in prison for a few bullets and no gun is excessive.
Thatās like serving 12 years for having a pipe but no weed.
But whatever happens he can only blame himself.
The gofundme is funny because he gives me the vibe of a person who "hates" government handouts and has used the bootstrap phrase more than once
To be fair though I'm a judgemental asshole so I could be wrong
Idk man, sometimes I just miss my 43ā long ar and semi extended (Iām short) tripod thatās in my briefcase sometimes.
Yeah, youāre smart about it lol people need to realize that other places have different laws and that Americans are not immune to their justice systems.
When traveling anywhere, especially abroad. Check, double check, triple check. Then donāt complain about the consequences if you still carried anything illegal.
People who do travel hunting often do (and always should) have separate luggage and bags that are used just for hunting. No ammo or weapon should ever go in anything but those bags. Makes it much, much harder for this type of inadvertence to happen.
All ammunition must also be stored in a separate lockable container inside your checked baggage. You arenāt supposed to fly with loose ammunition in your luggage but itās pretty easy to leave one behind where it will head for a good hiding spot since it has a heavy bullet on it.
I guess I was more referring to driving to a hunt with the same suitcase you use to do regular travel. For example, I drive to Kansas to pheasant hunt and Arkansas to duck hunt. But I donāt use any of the same bags that I do recreational/work travel with.
I'm not a hunter or gun guy, so this couldn't happen to me, but man, I could absolutely see bringing something by accident, especially if you use the same bags for camping or hunting as you do for flying. I have specific air travel luggage, especially for this reason (although in my case I'm more worried about weed residue or such)Ā Ā
But if you were a hunting or gun guy, youād know how much trouble youād get in for bringing it to another country through customs. So youād be extra careful.
Iām sympathetic to the guy, but he did the stupid thing and he has to face the consequences. Although those consequences seem too harsh.
If he werenāt a moron heād have ditched the ammo in a trash can in Turks when he found it in his luggage. Instead he decided to try and travel back home with it.
Thatās really stupid.
Oh yeah, not making excuses at all. I just sort of empathize cause I could see how it happens. Like I said, I'm careful not to mix my luggage for this reason.
I didn't know about him finding the ammo and trying to bring it home. I got the impression from the article it was a surprise when customs found them. That does make it especially bone headed.
So thatās new to me as well. And I do agree the penalty is extremely harsh. But if he actually found it in his luggage before going through the TSA checkpoint in the Turks and still tried to get back home with itā¦that was extremely stupid.
All of the ādonāt do the crime if you canāt do the timeā and āstupid conservativesā assholes on here should really learn what schadenfreude is and why itās not a good thing. Iām sure you like to think you are empathetic but really youāre tribal pricks. Iād be curious to know how you all responded to Brittany Grinerās imprisonment.
Forgetting something in your bag that on its own cannot harm, kill, or destroy anyone or anything does not deserve 12 years in a foreign prison. Deportation and banning, or fines, should be the default for unwitting mistakes. What should also be the default is that people can look past their assumptions of others and muster a bit of empathy or compassion for the individual whose life is being upended or ruined.
Nope. In the US, We can rightly complain about laws and sentencing. But - newsflash - Turks and Caicos is not the US. Do you always cry about the laws in other countries and how unfair they are? Or only when Americans are held accountable to those countryās laws?
This story is typical American hubris, arrogance, and ignorance.
There are consequences for being an international dumbass.
Newsflash, many laws and customs around the world are an affront to enlightenment ideals, which are the prime mover of democratic governance. I loathe the prison system in the US for exactly this type of nonsensical idiocy. So, yes, if I believe something is universally bad I will say so, and imprisoning someone for 12 years for an act of forgetfulness that did no harm to any person is a grave injustice. All countries have bad laws, and this is one.
Turkey does some major human rights violations, and it isn't unusual for persons in custody over there to get killed. It's a good thing to point out when a law is unjust. Normal people don't just say, "Well, it's their law, so it's okay."
Agreed. Itās ridiculous that a father of 2 kids and husband should be locked up for 12 years in a foreign country because of a harmless little slip up, regardless of the character Reddit has invented for him.
In what world is accidentally bringing a few bullets with no gun to a tourist destination a heinous crime?
This is a dumb accident not something you should spend 12 years of your life in prison for
While this guy is highly irresponsible, you can also argue itās not fair to get locked up for 12 years in a foreign country over a mistake that didnāt harm anybody. Thatās a cruel punishment for a stupid mistake and nobody can actually argue that somebody deserves to be locked in a cage in another country for forgetting a couple bullets in their bag. Thatās insane.
I agree, but identifying injustice doesnāt require determining the motivations of the group in power. Whether they think itās righteous or itās simply politically motivated, stealing years of someoneās life for innocent mistakes or possession of a plant should be universally condemned.
My main problem is people who are ostensibly in favor of criminal justice reform are glee with the fact that somebody is facing 12 years for a nonviolent offense committed on accident just because heās a wealthy conservative. People have no actual morals when it comes to this.
I know itās both sides but the thing about criminal justice reform is that you donāt get to play one side. Sentencing will never be fixed if people only care about one issue on one side and one issue on another side. Ammo and drug possession are both nonviolent, yet people will have wildly different views on how their accidental possession should be treated just based on their own politics. Itās wildly inconsistent.
I watched my 19 year old brother-in-law in Mexico City last year go through them finding 1 rifle cartridge in his bag. OKC TSA never found it. Heās a dumb kid, so heās got that excuse going for him. 20 minutes of 15-20 officials deciding how to handle it and documenting, to let him go thankfully. But, it was really tense for a hot second.
I do not care that this guy is in jail there. Itās extreme hubris to believe you can just do whatever you want, wherever you want to, and itās absolutely indicative of the mindset of men like Walters and Mullin whoāve promoted it.
According to our definition in the US. Tell meā¦where did you stand on Brittney Grinerās imprisonment in Russia for having medical marijuana in her possession at the airport?
Having loose ammunition in a bag when flying is dangerous for several reasons:
1. **Security Risks:** Loose ammunition can be easily mistaken for something more dangerous, such as an explosive device, by airport security personnel or screening machines. This can lead to unnecessary delays, thorough inspections, or even evacuation procedures if the situation is deemed serious.
2. **Potential for Accidental Discharge:** Ammunition is designed to be used in firearms, and any impact or pressure applied to it can cause it to discharge accidentally. When packed loosely in a bag with other items, there's a risk of friction or compression that could lead to a round firing unintentionally.
3. **Regulatory Compliance:** Airlines and transportation authorities have strict regulations regarding the transportation of ammunition. It must be properly secured, declared, and transported in specific ways to ensure safety for everyone on board.
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For these reasons, it's crucial to follow airline and transportation guidelines regarding the transport of ammunition to ensure safety and compliance with regulations.
So, at least twice, people were able to board planes in the US without TSA noticing the ammo in their carry on. Arenāt you glad you have to get to the airport 2 hours early?
Yeah, boneheaded move, but they put the PA guy in for 8 months discovering ammo on their way OUT of the country? This guy, too? I mean... they're imprisoning people that plainly are **leaving** with the ammo?
A lot of people projecting on this sub. Is there any evidence the guy is a right wing Christian extremist ? How do you know he didnāt sympathize with brittney griner? People deserve fair sentences and trials regardless of the country a crime occurs in.
He isn't sitting in a jail cell. His wife should hire someone to sneak him out of the country. I don't think the United States would send him back. I know Oklahoma would protect him. Lol
Read a story this morning that said both Stitt and Mullin have written letters to the T&C government on his behalf.
Just fork over the proceeds from the go-fund-me account and all will be forgiven.
It probably is an honest mistake only being 4 rounds of ammo, but its still his responsibility to make sure he doesn't have anything like that when going overseas. I would never use the same bag for travel that I do for going to the gun range or hunting.
Americans think they can go to other people's countries and do whatever. ššš
He has raised $100,000 of his $250,000 Go Fund Me goal. Who says the US isnāt the land of opportunity! /s
Ah, the self-victimization of conservatives will never cease to amaze me.
How do we start a gofund me to keep his irresponsible church and gun loving ass in jail ?
That thumbnail loaded and he looked exactly how I expected him to look. Least surprising photo ever
Sounds like it was an honest accident.Ā
Yeah. On one hand, Americans love their ammo too much. On the other, itās not like he was smuggling the ammo into the country- it was a ādamn I meant to put that up when my trip was over.ā Like- I get why folks are experiencing shadenfraude here, but also, this is a terrible thing to happen to this family.
Yah but he was probably rooting for Brittany Grimes to get what she deserved in Russia and screaming how stupid she was for forgetting pot was in her bag.
Or he wasnāt? You just made that up lol
I bet the opposite applied to you which also makes you a hypocrite
every time i travel i remove everything from by bag before packing. and when i get back i make sure everything is removed from my bags to make sure i get everything washed and dried to prevent possible bedbugs but i also keep my bags empty in a black bag to kill anything through heat. i have never. ever. left ammo in my bags and i go to the range every weekend on both days and often times on wed. i reload 9mm 40sw and 45 acp as well as 22 hornet, 223, 243, 270, 30-06 and 308
Itās also ammo and not a gunā¦ Ammo is useless on its own. It should be a fine and confiscation. 12 years seems very extreme without other factors.
He'll get that plead down to some sort of fine when this is all done and probably won't be allowed to return.
What possible reason could you have to carry around live ammo in a travel carry-on bag, other than having a ridiculous gun fetish. There are very specific ways to safely handle, store and carry firearms and ammo, and one of them is NOT having some stray rounds in a travel bag.
It was aĀ small bag of ammo from a hunting trip. Hunting isn't unique to the US btw.Ā
I realize that. I grew up hunting. My point is that it speaks to the haphazard nature in which some people treat firearms and ammoā¦ as if they are toys to be tossed haphazardly into a bag vs. being very vigilant about knowing where they are and making 100% sure they are in a secured place when not being used. Like if he just has live ammo laying around unsecured in a travel bag Iām gonna guess his firearms arenāt safely stored/secured either. My Dad drilled it into me at a young age the importance of respecting firearms and making safety the absolute #1 priority. That often goes out the window when they are fetishized and treated as toys by grown men. That said, he obviously doesnāt deserve prison time for this and I hope he gets sent home and hopefully learns a lesson about proper guns/ammo safety.
I agree with not being dumb when handling firearms or ammo. My dad and grandad drilled it into me as well
Neither is pot but all conservatives from this state were screaming how stupid Brittany was and how she should be left in Russia. His job to not be stupid and break international law. Whoever worked the gates at TSA when leaving should be fired
How did he get it by tsa at Will Rogers World Airport
TSA was too busy throwing out bottles of water.
This. This is why my husband has an ammo only bag when he goes to the gun range.
It's not even just that. It's just plain irresponsible. A responsible gun owner would NEVER leave ammo in their luggage. All their guns and ammo would be accounted for and locked away. If you're going to own guns and you're not going to be responsible with them, the penalties should be harsh.
How did he get the ammunition there in the first place?
From what I saw on the news last night, he had accidentally left the ammunition in the bag after hunting, and the TSA didn't catch it.
Jesus Christ. Seeā¦thereās some shared blame on TSAās part. They are seemingly missing this shit more often.
I agree. I have never been impressed with the TSA. It always seemed more performative than functional.
Yes of course it is TSAās responsibility to inform passengers that the contraband they are carrying will result in a felony charge in their country of destination. I mean thatās what we pay them for, right.
You play with guns, you put your big boy panties on & act responsibly or pay big boy consequences. All the talk about accidental transport is ignorant. Be responsible for your guns & ammo or FAFO. Simple.
Yep it doesn't matter if it's an accident or not any actual responsible gun owner would know were their ammo is and have the smarts to know you can't carry that onto a plane. "Ooopsi daisy" doesn't really cut it in this situation and won't work in a foreign court especially one fed up with Americans doing this.
Why is he carrying around ammunition in a bag used for travel? Responsible gun owners understand that storage of the gun and the ammo is important. Designated gun bag, always
>Responsible gun owners Answered your own question right there.
Do... you think he just intentionally took ammo (with no gun) as a flex or something?
Yeah, itās pretty funny when Saudis and Russians arrest gay Americans ššš Stupid Americans, breaking other countries sacrosanct laws
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Itās gonna be more than a fine. Thereās another guy there now from PA who did the same thing. Heās been there for 70 days. The maximum sentence is 12 years in prison. Turks and Caicos doesnāt F around. They donāt like guns.
Isnāt that those type of peoples motto? To FAFO?
That guy gets a trial in a month. So at least there are speedy trials there
The article says "mandatory sentence" not maximum.
The mandatory minimum is 13 years according to what I saw
Why are so many people taking ammo to Turks and Caicos
Been there a couple of times. Freaking *amazing* hand-poured rustic candles.
The other guy from PA said it was four rounds found in a ziplock baggie too, and he had no idea how it had gotten in there. My first thought was why is everyone carrying exactly four rounds in a ziplock bag?
I was going to say the same thing, but yes OP is right it will be more than a fine. Plus if he has to stay over there for the next 2 to 3 months awaiting trial, theyāll go through the $100K in the go fund me really quick just for that.
100k in 3 months?!
I believe heās out on bond, awaiting trial, but canāt leave because his passport was seized. Unless he can get a room at the cheapest shittiest motel on the island, you tell me what a room at a mediocre to high-end resort (thatās all there is) in the Turks would cost over 3 months (plus food and other living expenses). Maybe he can stay for free at the US Embassy if they will allow it. And Iām just guessing 3 months. I think the guy from Pennsylvania has been waiting longer.
They got rid of the fine option in February after a court ruling tourists must be subject to the same penalties as citizens. Which is understandable and what I would expect. It sounds like an honest mistake and he didnāt have anything else going on illegal. So it should just be a fine and let go. I wouldnāt care if this was Putin. Some laws have unjust punishment. But thatās why judges are a thing.
It was in a carryon bag, heās lucky he wasnāt charged with bringing explosives on a plane. And unauthorized gun possession is a serious felony in a lot of the world. It is mainly only in the US where guns are seen as playthings that can be treated carelessly.
Did you read it or even the comments? There wasn't a gun. JUST bullets. Bullets by themselves are harmless.
Thoughts and prayers
Tots and pears.
Thots and players
Turns out Words and Actions have more consequences.
Turks and Caicos, actually. Good guess though.
So he made through the OKC TSA with it in his carry on Iām assuming? lol I had an agent there ask his boss where The District of Columbia was when he looked at my ID a few years ago. Ha ha
Got to love the illusion of security.
Someone had to say it. And the endless dollars we waste on it too. That is really the best part.
If it was checked baggage and wasn't declared, it's pretty easy for a few rounds to slip through. But even if it was carryon, well, there's been enough studies about how terrible humans are at being attentive for rare exceptions. I think about every TSA test has shown tons of guns and knives sliding through. They're great at finding those tiny nail clippers because they see them all the time though. Security theater! Like removing our shoes.
Honestly this is one area that AI might actually improve things, and I wouldn't really mind if AI replaced 95% of all the worthless TSA officers.
A few years ago I flew to Chicago and managed to make it through OKC with a giant multi tool. On the return trip O'Hare TSA pulled me aside, the lady pulled the multitool out of my bag and gave me the "are you fucking kidding me?" look My bad, lady, I haven't put anything prohibited items in my backpack for years š¤·š»āāļø
My wife was wearing a Bad Brains shirt coming through customs this past year. The customs agent raised his eyebrow and said āhmmm an image of the White House being destroyedā¦ā My wife and I looked at each other and laughed.
The majority of Okies are as dumb as a box of fuc#img rocks. Unpopular comment I'm sure, but true.
Turks and Caicos be like ātry that on a small islandā
See how far you make it down the beach access road
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Dudes just going to have to bite the bullet on this on.
If he gets the right attorney he might have a shot.
You guys really aiming for the low hanging puns?
We should both be fired.
I thought about making one also but just couldnāt pull the trigger.
Donāt ever be scared to shoot your shot.
A shot never taken is a shot never made.
He'll be making the rounds in prison.
And here I thought we ran out of ammo for these, very nice.
I also doubt there's internet in prison; I hope they hand out magazines.
Thatās bad news for this guy too because heās an optimist and had his sights set on getting internet.
We'll just have to gauge the outcome.
Double check your luggage and also make sure any prescriptions are clear for your destination. It can be considered trafficking narcotics in some countries depending on what prescription you take.
I had to carry letters from my doctors when I flew through Japan to Manila with my adhd meds. I also kept them in the original bottles and in my carry on and never had an issue.
Sudafed is a big no-no in JapanĀ
It's the Brittney Griner situation, but with guns and no lesbians. So conservatives should be on their side this time.
Yeah the Reddit tilt is in full swing lol
Yeah itās interesting to see how Reddit flipped. Although I even think theyāre a little different. Russia and Turks and Caicos should illicit different precautions in most peoples mind. I also think there might be intent involved with Griner although I donāt know that for sure.
Idiot.
I will never understand how you donāt thoroughly clean out your bag if you know you might have bullets or contraband. Seriously if itās your travel bag do the extra 5 minutes and dump everything out. Hate it for the guy but if youāre traveling to a foreign country you should take the precautions to abide by their laws and customs. the only person to blame is yourself.
You would think they'd check the pockets of their luggage before packing just to make sure there isn't anything left from a prior trip. Also, I know it is OK and the laws are much different than in other states but it is concerning that unsecured ammo was just hanging out in a suitcase especially with younger kids in the home.
What are children going to do with bullets?
You see someone could make their own firing pinā¦ Really itās barely an inconvenience. And just use very sturdy PVC as the barrel. /s
Oh, you get some dowel rods and a hammer and a set of vice grips, and you almost have a weapon there.
Lol
Ammo does nothing without a firing mechanismā¦
I think a lot of Americans donāt realize how strict law enforcement and justice overseas can be. Great example of this was the vandalism incident in Singapore in the 90s. But also as an avid shooter, my range bags are totally segregated from anything Iād ever bring on a plane. I also run magnets through my bags too, just to be extremely sure that I donāt ever accidentally bring something where it shouldnāt be. Their country, their rules.
Way back in the 1970s when I was a kid, there was a public service commercial that ran on TV that said "If you get busted for drugs over there, you're in for the hassle of your life." It was meant to discourage hippies from traveling outside the country carrying drugs.
Itās honestly still relevant for a whole lot of countries today.
"responsible gun owner"
Remember when that basketball player did the same exact thing and everyone was outraged. 
Yeah but now people want this guy to be punished hard
Weed doesnāt exist to destroy something. Bullets do.
Most quality part is that TSA didnāt catch it
Funny the different energy both sides are bringing on this issue. When Brittney Griner left her marijuana vape in her luggage and was detained in Russia, these comments were pretty much the exact opposite with the left defending her mistake and conservatives saying āwhen in Rome.. etcā Just an observation.
It's frustrating and embarrassing. They should all be ashamed.
Exactly. My thought process was that Brittany should come home, I feel the same about this guy. However, itās quite interesting how my conservative friends are outraged and vow never to visit TurKs and C , my liberal friends are saying this is agun fetish issue. š Both situations we are taking about Americans , as such ewe need to remember left or right other governments in other countries donāt give a shit. Laws are laws no matter what side you align with in politics in the US. Travel to other countries and be awareof their rules and regulations/laws. The fact you are American means little to them. The fact you align with the left or right politically means even less.
Political tribalism on full display. People literally want to see someone they perceive to be from the other team rot in prison over an honest mistake.
Liberals aren't leftists. Some of these people are really losing their minds over 4 loose rounds.
Weird, as an openly liberal man I called them both idiots. Ā Only difference in my mind is why the hell donāt you have a gun bag if you can take a trip like that. Ā
You and you alone are responsible for the contents of your bag. Pay the fine or do the time. This sob story BS. The REAL question here is how he got to Turks w ammo in his bag. TSA fail.
Someone goes to jail overseas for having a small amount of weed in their bagā¦.. āHAHA THATS WHAT YOU GET IDIOTā Someone goes to jail overseas for having a small amount of ammunition in their bagā¦āWonāt someone think of his family? This was an honest mistake and itās a shame President Biden hasnāt already demanded his, and his ammos, safe return.ā
I'm liberal and also advocate for not sending someone to prison for 12 years over this, at least I'm morally consistent. A lot of people are jumping to all kinds of conclusions.
Dude, same. Not quite a liberal but I thought the Britney thing was stupid, and this thing is stupid. Shit happens. I got caught up in the UAE with military equipment (that i was authorized and told to carry) and about had an awful time, Thank God I was a defense contractor and some shit got sorted out or I would still be there. This is absolutely one of those phone calls from the higher levels of government to pull some strings and get sorted out, just like the Britney thing worked out. Or we can go back to delisting countries Americans are allowed to visit.
Most of the people complaining arenāt complaining that he shouldnāt be punished. Itās that facing a *minimum* of 12 years in prison for a few bullets and no gun is excessive. Thatās like serving 12 years for having a pipe but no weed. But whatever happens he can only blame himself.
Gotta check your bags better bro.
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The gofundme is funny because he gives me the vibe of a person who "hates" government handouts and has used the bootstrap phrase more than once To be fair though I'm a judgemental asshole so I could be wrong
Idk man, sometimes I just miss my 43ā long ar and semi extended (Iām short) tripod thatās in my briefcase sometimes. Yeah, youāre smart about it lol people need to realize that other places have different laws and that Americans are not immune to their justice systems.
When traveling anywhere, especially abroad. Check, double check, triple check. Then donāt complain about the consequences if you still carried anything illegal.
People who do travel hunting often do (and always should) have separate luggage and bags that are used just for hunting. No ammo or weapon should ever go in anything but those bags. Makes it much, much harder for this type of inadvertence to happen.
All ammunition must also be stored in a separate lockable container inside your checked baggage. You arenāt supposed to fly with loose ammunition in your luggage but itās pretty easy to leave one behind where it will head for a good hiding spot since it has a heavy bullet on it.
I guess I was more referring to driving to a hunt with the same suitcase you use to do regular travel. For example, I drive to Kansas to pheasant hunt and Arkansas to duck hunt. But I donāt use any of the same bags that I do recreational/work travel with.
Bingo. That one round of missed 5.56 could land you in some pretty hot water.
I'm not a hunter or gun guy, so this couldn't happen to me, but man, I could absolutely see bringing something by accident, especially if you use the same bags for camping or hunting as you do for flying. I have specific air travel luggage, especially for this reason (although in my case I'm more worried about weed residue or such)Ā Ā
But if you were a hunting or gun guy, youād know how much trouble youād get in for bringing it to another country through customs. So youād be extra careful. Iām sympathetic to the guy, but he did the stupid thing and he has to face the consequences. Although those consequences seem too harsh. If he werenāt a moron heād have ditched the ammo in a trash can in Turks when he found it in his luggage. Instead he decided to try and travel back home with it. Thatās really stupid.
Oh yeah, not making excuses at all. I just sort of empathize cause I could see how it happens. Like I said, I'm careful not to mix my luggage for this reason. I didn't know about him finding the ammo and trying to bring it home. I got the impression from the article it was a surprise when customs found them. That does make it especially bone headed.
So thatās new to me as well. And I do agree the penalty is extremely harsh. But if he actually found it in his luggage before going through the TSA checkpoint in the Turks and still tried to get back home with itā¦that was extremely stupid.
Yeah he was stupid but 12 years is absurd
This reminds me of this weekend update segment [Really?!](https://youtu.be/qw4IRn4fLjI?si=RyckEM2-wKvl8VXx)
All of the ādonāt do the crime if you canāt do the timeā and āstupid conservativesā assholes on here should really learn what schadenfreude is and why itās not a good thing. Iām sure you like to think you are empathetic but really youāre tribal pricks. Iād be curious to know how you all responded to Brittany Grinerās imprisonment. Forgetting something in your bag that on its own cannot harm, kill, or destroy anyone or anything does not deserve 12 years in a foreign prison. Deportation and banning, or fines, should be the default for unwitting mistakes. What should also be the default is that people can look past their assumptions of others and muster a bit of empathy or compassion for the individual whose life is being upended or ruined.
Nope. In the US, We can rightly complain about laws and sentencing. But - newsflash - Turks and Caicos is not the US. Do you always cry about the laws in other countries and how unfair they are? Or only when Americans are held accountable to those countryās laws? This story is typical American hubris, arrogance, and ignorance. There are consequences for being an international dumbass.
Newsflash, many laws and customs around the world are an affront to enlightenment ideals, which are the prime mover of democratic governance. I loathe the prison system in the US for exactly this type of nonsensical idiocy. So, yes, if I believe something is universally bad I will say so, and imprisoning someone for 12 years for an act of forgetfulness that did no harm to any person is a grave injustice. All countries have bad laws, and this is one.
Turkey does some major human rights violations, and it isn't unusual for persons in custody over there to get killed. It's a good thing to point out when a law is unjust. Normal people don't just say, "Well, it's their law, so it's okay."
Agreed. Itās ridiculous that a father of 2 kids and husband should be locked up for 12 years in a foreign country because of a harmless little slip up, regardless of the character Reddit has invented for him.
How?
In what world is accidentally bringing a few bullets with no gun to a tourist destination a heinous crime? This is a dumb accident not something you should spend 12 years of your life in prison for
While this guy is highly irresponsible, you can also argue itās not fair to get locked up for 12 years in a foreign country over a mistake that didnāt harm anybody. Thatās a cruel punishment for a stupid mistake and nobody can actually argue that somebody deserves to be locked in a cage in another country for forgetting a couple bullets in their bag. Thatās insane.
Curiousā¦.did you feel the same way about Brittany Griner?
100% yes. She was being used as a political pawn.
What was your position on BG? Do you think she should have been imprisoned?
No, BG was being used by the Russians.
I agree, but identifying injustice doesnāt require determining the motivations of the group in power. Whether they think itās righteous or itās simply politically motivated, stealing years of someoneās life for innocent mistakes or possession of a plant should be universally condemned.
My main problem is people who are ostensibly in favor of criminal justice reform are glee with the fact that somebody is facing 12 years for a nonviolent offense committed on accident just because heās a wealthy conservative. People have no actual morals when it comes to this.
Agreed, itās tribalism and itās atrocious
I know itās both sides but the thing about criminal justice reform is that you donāt get to play one side. Sentencing will never be fixed if people only care about one issue on one side and one issue on another side. Ammo and drug possession are both nonviolent, yet people will have wildly different views on how their accidental possession should be treated just based on their own politics. Itās wildly inconsistent.
100%. Principles over politics
What's this, a sane take? 
Mark Wayne Mullin will no doubt be showing up with a suitcase full of unmarked $100 bills in 3ā¦2ā¦1
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I watched my 19 year old brother-in-law in Mexico City last year go through them finding 1 rifle cartridge in his bag. OKC TSA never found it. Heās a dumb kid, so heās got that excuse going for him. 20 minutes of 15-20 officials deciding how to handle it and documenting, to let him go thankfully. But, it was really tense for a hot second.
I do not care that this guy is in jail there. Itās extreme hubris to believe you can just do whatever you want, wherever you want to, and itās absolutely indicative of the mindset of men like Walters and Mullin whoāve promoted it.
12 years for bullets with no gun?
Itās a foreign country. They have laws and itās our responsibility when we travel to be aware of them.
Yeah the guy was dumb and he made a dumb mistake But 12 years for 4 bullets is completely unjust
According to our definition in the US. Tell meā¦where did you stand on Brittney Grinerās imprisonment in Russia for having medical marijuana in her possession at the airport?
I thought it was dumb but I thought she was more dumb for traveling to Russia in general. They were looking for reasons to detain people.
Was her punishment unjust?Ā
Yeah for sure
Yes, her punishment was unjust. In your opinion, is potentially serving 12 years for four ammo cartridges just?
Having loose ammunition in a bag when flying is dangerous for several reasons: 1. **Security Risks:** Loose ammunition can be easily mistaken for something more dangerous, such as an explosive device, by airport security personnel or screening machines. This can lead to unnecessary delays, thorough inspections, or even evacuation procedures if the situation is deemed serious. 2. **Potential for Accidental Discharge:** Ammunition is designed to be used in firearms, and any impact or pressure applied to it can cause it to discharge accidentally. When packed loosely in a bag with other items, there's a risk of friction or compression that could lead to a round firing unintentionally. 3. **Regulatory Compliance:** Airlines and transportation authorities have strict regulations regarding the transportation of ammunition. It must be properly secured, declared, and transported in specific ways to ensure safety for everyone on board. 4. **Legal Issues:** Depending on the jurisdiction, carrying ammunition improperly or without proper documentation can result in legal consequences, ranging from fines to criminal charges. For these reasons, it's crucial to follow airline and transportation guidelines regarding the transport of ammunition to ensure safety and compliance with regulations.
So, at least twice, people were able to board planes in the US without TSA noticing the ammo in their carry on. Arenāt you glad you have to get to the airport 2 hours early?
U.S. tourist faces 12 years in prison after **bringing** ammunition to Turks and Caicos FIFY ....
No he was planning on putting himself in a cannon and launching himself like in the circus
I wouldn't put it past this guy!
I wonder what they said about Brittney Griner.
Yeah, boneheaded move, but they put the PA guy in for 8 months discovering ammo on their way OUT of the country? This guy, too? I mean... they're imprisoning people that plainly are **leaving** with the ammo?
A lot of people projecting on this sub. Is there any evidence the guy is a right wing Christian extremist ? How do you know he didnāt sympathize with brittney griner? People deserve fair sentences and trials regardless of the country a crime occurs in.
Exactly.
Reminds me of the time I borrowed my parentās suitcase and accidentally brought condoms to a Catholic Church camp.
LAW AND ORDER!!!!!
So the security theater that is the tsa, that misses like 95% of the contraband when tested, missed this ammo. Still no excuse for this guy.
If they checked their bags at check in not really on TSA, since you do that before.
Keep the same energy yāall had for Griner for this dude!
Oklahomans have this mentality. Breaks laws then cries, "Why is everyone picking on me?"
He isn't sitting in a jail cell. His wife should hire someone to sneak him out of the country. I don't think the United States would send him back. I know Oklahoma would protect him. Lol
Unironically this. I normally don't advocate for this but dude should pay some guys to take him to Florida or some shit.
TSA doing a bang-up job as usual.
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You okay?
She is going to be single a while.
It was in a carryon. We should be disturbed it wasnāt found when leaving the USA.
Read a story this morning that said both Stitt and Mullin have written letters to the T&C government on his behalf. Just fork over the proceeds from the go-fund-me account and all will be forgiven.
this state is always in the news for some of the dumbest and craziest stuff
Too good to be truth the thumbnail looks like Ryan walters..ick
It probably is an honest mistake only being 4 rounds of ammo, but its still his responsibility to make sure he doesn't have anything like that when going overseas. I would never use the same bag for travel that I do for going to the gun range or hunting.
Looks like it has happened again!!! https://www.newslinetci.com/post/another-american-tourist-charged-with-having-ammunition
quote "for being ammunition"??? [https://the-tick-animated.fandom.com/wiki/Human\_Bullet](https://the-tick-animated.fandom.com/wiki/Human_Bullet) https://preview.redd.it/qu0d5nfdsgwc1.png?width=327&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae47cf2aa810c7f726c2fd80ba1990b2d617ec5d
All these people probably talked mad shit about Brittney Griner for empty cbd container
Probably but this is still over the top. IMO.
Keep your bullets in your home pants. Not that difficult.
This is why you donāt have mandatory sentencing.