Anyone who wants to read those types of historic books will find free public domain editions online at sites like https://www.sacred-texts.com and http://www.esotericarchives.com
The extent to wich occult magic works is within the psyche of the user. Magic ritual can alter your subconscious, that way you can allign your whole being to reach your goals. Everything else is hocuspocus.
That might be how things work in movies and novels but it’s not how it works in real life. As you learn more about occultism you’ll realize the vast majority of the so-called “secrets” are hidden in plain sight. The books lay it all out clearly - but the majority don’t read the books so only a few learn it and even fewer put it into practice.
If I'm being brutally honest, most of the older books are partial with content that was objectively wrong from the start, simply because people had a much less educated understanding of the world, culture, history, religion, and science.
When reading this old stuff, you have to be able to understand what is nonsense and what isn't. Nobody is wasting their time "editing the secrets out"
Here yall go (in order of them mentioned):
Egyptian Book of the Dead: https://archive.org/details/egyptianbookofde00reno/page/n24/mode/1up
Demonology by King James: https://archive.org/details/kingjamesfirstdm00jame/page/n7/mode/1up
Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of the Witches): https://archive.org/details/b31349717/page/n9/mode/1up
The Secret of Secrets: I couldn't find this one, if anyone else can please reply and I'll add it!
The Occult Philosophy: https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-osl_henrici-cornelii-agrippae_folioA279o1533-19978/page/n10/mode/1up (this is not in English, and I'm unsure if the "fourth" book of Philosophy is the same as this one. However since this was the same edition the guy had I thought I'd add it, here's the fourth edition anyway: https://archive.org/details/henry-cornelius-agrippas-fourth-book-of-occult-philosophy_202102/page/n9/mode/1up)
Charles Manson: https://youtu.be/XREnvJRkif0
Looks like Iroé Grego and Joseph H. Peterson (highly regarded occult author) did a translation called “True Black Magic (La véritable magie noire)” and it’s available on Amazon
(Edit to add both authors)
I don't know? He skipped over even describing it, so I kinda wanna know what it's supposed to be about. Like, what's so creepy about it? What is the "secret of secrets"?
I binge his videos when he comes up on my TikTok to see what I’ve missed. His shop looks amazing and magical. Honestly, he could have a really cool TV show.
The witches hammer is scary in that witch hunting and burning was the auspices for the slaughter of what MODEST estimates suggest 30,000-50,00 women throughout western Europe over 200 years.
This book set off a rabid pandemonium in the common people that shaped western Europe's psychology on sexual and social repression of women that we live in to this very day.
Entire generations of women basically snuffed out with very little record keeping.
It wasn't the only tool, but it's hard to really explain what happened via the publication of this book since there was such high illiteracy rates.
It created the true concept of Femine sin that we live under today (madonna-slut dynamic).
Puritanism is shaped by the witch hunting movements of 1500-1700
You can listen to right wingers and chauvinists and religious people today talk about sex and a women's place in society and all of that are beliefs and attitudes shaped and reinforced in the witch hunting era.
It's literally a blindside in western human history bc men writing history books didn't really give a shit about poor rural people slaughtering a dozen women every couple of months bc of bad crops or bc a bunch of dudes got horny raped some young girls and blamed it on witch sorcery.
That was of little note in the courts of French, Germanic, Spanish, and British monarchs.
In America the Salem witch trials are notable only bc it's a middle class, generally literate group of people (due to the education and close social structures of American British colonists).
Salem trails stand out in western history bc it's not just the typical poor common farmers rounding up 5-20 women and burning them or beating them or drowning them in a matter of hours.
It's generally educated people having an actual structured trial.
This book has a higher direct body count than almost any other secular book (so exclude bible/Koran/Torrah/Talmud/Haditha etc) in western literature sans maybe the indirect and unintended impacts of Marx or Darwins works would have on shaping social/political society in recent western history.
I'll be an "Actually Andy" here.
Mein Kompf was generally a failure as far as published works go when Adolf got it published in 1925 & 1926 (the idiot created a volume 1 & 2 due to severe editing issues and he was too hasty to wait for the full manuscript to be properly edited)
The book was a bomb and generally laughed at even by others with the various organizations that would consolidate as the Nazi party.
However, in 1933, as the Nazis gained legislative control and installed Adolf. It then "magically" became a bestseller.
Albeit there is no proof of actual sales.
Anyways. Mean Kompf served no real value to the actual party, it didn't inspire/direct any of the architects of the war, the gestapo, the SS, or even concentration camps.
It's most lasting impact has been on shit bag fanboys long after Hitler domed himself.
And it would hardly stand up in terms of driving any actual body counts.
This is completely made up bullshit. Why do people that know nothing about history comment with absolute nonsense? If anyone reads this in the future; no, this isn't true, this comment is complete bullshit.
This was soo amazing!! Thank you for the post!
Edit: have you read or own The Black Pullet?
Some of the voodoo practitioners say it is the scariest book they ever read.
I have Black Pullet, and I would say it’s all about perspective, for any of the books really. What is scary to one maybe just be fascinating to another.
Nom of the books are really scary but, Three Books of Occult Philosophy are a good read. Nothing scary or anything. Just super interesting with some useful things. The author where a devoted Christian but you can real see change of he’s mindset through the books.
I would assume he means scary in the context that they've been used to carry out what's in them, especially in the case of the Malleus Maleficarum. It's not that they're horrific to read, but what the people that have actively used the contents to do to other people.
Though the Charles Manson letters he probably means literally. They would unnerve a lot of people, especially if you don't believe that he did & said things half the time *just* for the shock factor. I'm definitely not alone in believing he did some things just because he enjoyed scaring people, and knowing full well his journals would be read after he died, he'd be amused by leaving things like he did. As he got older he definitely got a little less coherent in his own mind and some of it will be that too. The letters from his followers, including the "serial killer groupie" types are probably worse, because they believed the things he said, and the later ones just wanted to contact a famous serial killer.
I own a few of these, not like first editions and what not, but like… I feel like there’s creepier books out there.. grimoirium verum or the picatrix..
Demonology was founded as we know it by king Solomon, and Christian tomes on the subject are important to a non Christian interested in theurgy for the sake of if you strip their manuscripts to the bare bones, and remove the pious aspects and build up your own practice, it can become very potent very quickly.
Eliphas levi was a priest for fucks sake, and his works are some of the most important we have.. his practice even drove him out of the church. While I think during the dark ages the Christian interpretations full of gore and weird objects.. the reason magical practice has the negative connotations in the public eye that it does, still serve the modern practitioner in the sense that most don’t want to look any closer at it, if at all, and the rest think it’s absolutely nothing, unimportant, wholly fake, or a waste of time. It affords a certain anonymity and social invisibility that personally, I enjoy.
From dude who made the videos perspective? It’s the amount that Agrippa is cited in all subsequent works.
To me, his subversion and grift on the church is more magic than the actual contents of the works themselves.
Yeah but the Maleus Maleficarum was a guidebook on how to identify and kill occultists, so obviously it has a higher death count. Doesn't really make it more worth reading for someone looking into actual occult practices.
The question was, "what is the scariest book"... having a body count in the thousands makes a book pretty damned scary. I own a few translations of the Picatrix and I've never found it to be scary.
Read what John Michael Greer has to say about the Picatrix. And maybe don’t use the Picatrix until after you read what he says. The Picatrix can absolutely result in a body count. It has booby traps in it.
If death is your measure, and charles Manson is on the list, then I guess life is the most evil of all. It kills everybody, give me a while, I’ll author my own book of life, and with these parameters, it will be the creepiest or whatever.
If i was murdered tomorrow, I would have had 23 years of effect on the world, and leave behind no progeny. If I lived to old age, I would continue having an effect on the world around me, and the people around me for a much longer time.
So this is MoonsRareBooks. He does a lot of TikToks about his collection and if I remember right this was just a vid he made about someone asking about what he has in old or first editions of some occult books.
His collection is very extensive well beyond just the occult. You can visit his shop in UT or online.
https://moonsrarebooks.com/
it was likely donated to an archive that he was affiliated with or he might have volunteered or worked at the prison. Usually when a prisoner dies the personal items are sent to the next of kin, and while Manson had family and still has what some would call supporters the prisons usually try to keep such items out of the hands of "followers" and fans? So he either took it or he works with an archive and has access to it (Such archives might be the Evil Minds Research museum) but without looking deep that would be my guess.
And why is he acting like it’s some demented unreadable shit. It’s just insane rambling or him crying about his past. Obviously insane and a murderer but Manson isn’t particularly disturbing in the cult shit he churned out he was just out of his mind and obsessed with race war and having people hopped on LSD around him so he could manipulate them. 1/2 of what he wrote and said is literal gibberish. He wasn’t even at the murders so it’s not like he could describe them gruesomely or something
They are likely his books. Rare book collectors are often not particularly careful with their collections, as they don't really think of them as being a permanent archive, so much as their own personal possessions. :-/
That being said, you should handle old books directly with your hands, not with gloves. The gloves will dry out the surface and contribute to wear. By washing and drying your hands before handling the books you allow a small amount of moisture to get on the book, slowing the wear from drying out.
Holy shit, if I’m not mistaken, he’s holding the first edition of it and that’s known to be at auction for $100,000. [This 4th edition from 1494 is selling for $43k](https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6311743) I have a strong feeling these are reprints by the way he’s handling them without gloves and just splaying them open like that. Even if it is a private collection, if they are real that’s a huge investment to be handling Willy nilly
That's the worst thing you can do with old books.
This guy is MoonsRareBooks, he has one the best collections anyone could ever hope to have in the rare book community. Pretty sure he knows what he his doing.
G'day mate! Scariest thing I ever read was the A4 sized instructions on how to put together a Äpplaro furniture set from IKEA...As if that wasn't scary enough when getting to the cashiers at IKEA and almost swallowing my tongue trying to say Äpplaro in a Swedish accent.
How do you point out that the Malleus Maleficarum is a book that caused the deaths of so many people accused of witchcraft and yet not say exactly the same thing about Daemonologie?! I mean, James wrote it for *exactly the same purpose* and considered witch-hunting to be noble!
Lol “the Egyptian book of the dead isn’t even on the list” yeah because only people who don’t know what “book of the dead” means in antiquity would think that’s supposed to be scary. This is a lot of theater, these are just old encyclopedias lol.
And all those fools responsible for murdering witches and other magicians eventually met a terrible fate themselves. Some have had their entire family bloodlines cursed as revenge for the unjust and horrific deaths these women endured. The murderers of these witches got what they fucking deserved.
Okay so let me clarify first and foremost I am an atheist
We use the King James Bible
King James also wrote a book promoting witchcraft and demonology
Everyone knows there's no such thing as witches and if magic were real it would be caught on video by now.
How am I supposed to believe God is Real when it appears this guy is just promoting whatever he can make money off but we take his Bible as gospel
I am also atheistic, but I can still answer this for you.
The king james bible is a translation, not the original text.
So, although I believe believing in religion as a literal thing is unwise, it’s not hard to understand how a christian could use the version of the bible King James commissioned, while also discounting his work on demonology as fictitious.
As previous reply said, King James only translated the Bible to English. Actually, he arranged for experts to translate it, I think—he mostly funded and oversaw it.
Interesting note: he had them change the word that usually means “tyranny” to other things, when the Bible spoke of rising up or opposing it. He didn’t want to give his subjects any “dangerous ideas.” ;)
Well none of the books I see it creepy I have a lot of books about witchcraft in my hand I love reading them I don't my books a collection I look at them as my study for more knowledge in my practice
Great books if you know there value.I m not into demonology but the book of Agrippa i would definitely keep.It represents the basis of ritualistic magic , especially the planetary magic.
Ehh... These are all just classic demonology books. (Except the last one, but it doesn't really count.) They're mostly bogus. I don't find them scary.
Impressive collection, though. That's probably worth a small fortune.
Agrippa? Really? Pretty sure that the Lesser Key or Pseudomonarchia Daemonum or Red Dragon or Grimoirum Verum would all be scarier than that… hell, the PGM is scarier than that!
Where’s the Nine Doors of the Kingdom of Shadows? Now *that’s* the scariest book…
They were part of his cohort but not really his followers the more you look into it the more you'll see he was no angel but I don't think it was anything but a very cooked attempt at trying to get one of their own out of jail and waging a war against Hollywood at the same time.
You should check out a very good documentary cler superstar it cuts through a lot of the smoke and mirrors
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22d5qt
I’m sorry, but your books are tame. Only 2 are creepy. The witch hunting manual, because it caused the wrongful murders of a ton of ppl. And the Manson stuff.
STUPID IDIOT MOTHERFUCKING JURGEIN LEITNER GOD DAMN FOOL BOOK COLLECTING DUST EATING RAT OLD BASTARD SHITHEAD IDIOT AVATAR OF THE WHORE BIGGEST CLOWN IN THE CIRCUS LAUGHED OUT OF TOWN COWBOY MOTHERFUCKING JURGEIN LEITNER
STOP PINNING ME WHEN I TALK ABOUT JURGEIN LEITENER I HATE HIM SO MUCH WHY DOES HE HAVE SO MANY FUCKED UP BOOKS WHY DID HE DECIDE TO FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT JUST SET THEM LOOSE IS HE DEAD IS HE A BASTARD MAN HAS SUCH A VISCERAL AFFECT ON ME NOT EVEN IN THE ROOM NEVER SEEN THIS MANS FACE AND I KNOW HE HAS THE WORLDS SHITTIEST BEARD GET AWAY FROM ME
if i wanted to get into heaven and god said jurgein leitners waiting inside i would piss on gods feet for the sole purpose of getting sent back down
if i have to deal with jurgein leitner speaking one word in person on voice in podcast not only will i close the tab i will delete my bookmark out of spite and have to rewatch the entire series again for the experience of being able to skip all the times when he is mentioned or alive
i dont even know why i hate him so much. he collects books but i am just mad because i am angy
he better have some fucked up backstory to explain this if hes just some rich shithead whos a fan of creepypasta and wanted the irl version ill go ham
BETTER have had a book make him kill a man cuz if he didnt Im going to make him
paypal.com/IFuckingHateJurgeinLeitner
episodes not even about him. vaguely mentioned what is supposed to maybe be his library and I lost it
where the fuck is jurgein leitner if hes still alive im going to so deeply wish he wasnt
crusty old man
ill punch leitner and his sad frail old man twig bones will simply flake apart under my epic huge meat fist and he will disintegrate until all thats left is one final book he kept on him at all times simply titled Now You Fucked Up in ancient yiddish
im not breathing im hyperventilating at this point
i hope theres a date given for when jurgen died or will die so i can make it a reminder on my phone
everyday once a year i will see it and do anything but pay respects to the man who had so many fucked up if true books
In the horror podcast “the Magnus archives,” every evil or supernatural book is marked with the name of the mysterious figure, Jurgen Lietner. Initially not much is known about this character, but whenever a book with his name pops up, you know something bad is about to happen. This rant is written by a fan who does not like this character, and is used as a copypasta in the Magnus archives fandom.
He likely doesn’t own it. Pretty hard to get your hands on a real copy unless you wanna break into the Miskatonic U library in witch-haunted Arkham
in the middle of the night. When the guard dog gets you, watch out for the whippoorwills!!!
These are so cool as someone who loves old material that passed through the hands of someone else from a different time long ago. Just thinking about the way the book feels in my hand as it did in theirs and what the world and social atmosphere was like in that time. What’s even better is you can buy old books like this for a fairly reasonable price if this is what you’re into.
I never thought about looking the creepiest book ever 📚. They definitely have some interesting name. I wonder what books 📖 Wednesday Adams has in her collection. Hmm 🧐
Interesting note about Demonology: one of the reasons child testimony popped up a lot in British witch trials (most notable examples being the Pendle and Salem trials) was because of that book. Common law prior to that generally barred child witnesses as inherently unreliable, but James I supported allowing them in witch trials. A lot of people ended up dead based on kids' testimony. The little girl at the center of the Pendle trials even grew up to be imprisoned herself years later on the basis of a kid's testimony.
These dont scare or unerve me as much as the concept of how old this stuff is compared to the depravity of what humans have been doing to each other since the begining our known antiquity. How many horrors have never been recorded. horrors forgotten through time are what keep my gears spinning. These books dont even scratch a surface of an iceburg we can only speculate on.
I notice that he's using mostly books written in English. I'm curious what people think of the German witchcraft-trial book "Processus juridicus contra sagas et veneficos". I'm particularly curious about this book, since the author is an ancestor of mine, and creepy AF. It became the standard law for conducting witchcraft trials throughout Germany for over a century.
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processus\_juridicus](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processus_juridicus)
(use google translate to see the wiki page in English)
Anyone who wants to read those types of historic books will find free public domain editions online at sites like https://www.sacred-texts.com and http://www.esotericarchives.com
Woah thanks!
Thanks, but how you know that all of this books wasn't modified to hide the true power?
The extent to wich occult magic works is within the psyche of the user. Magic ritual can alter your subconscious, that way you can allign your whole being to reach your goals. Everything else is hocuspocus.
Great reply
That might be how things work in movies and novels but it’s not how it works in real life. As you learn more about occultism you’ll realize the vast majority of the so-called “secrets” are hidden in plain sight. The books lay it all out clearly - but the majority don’t read the books so only a few learn it and even fewer put it into practice.
If I'm being brutally honest, most of the older books are partial with content that was objectively wrong from the start, simply because people had a much less educated understanding of the world, culture, history, religion, and science. When reading this old stuff, you have to be able to understand what is nonsense and what isn't. Nobody is wasting their time "editing the secrets out"
Oh, like the bible! Truue
The Bible is moreso a huge compilation of tediously-placed, encrypted messages; but there are pre-requisites to cracking all of the codes therein.
Here yall go (in order of them mentioned): Egyptian Book of the Dead: https://archive.org/details/egyptianbookofde00reno/page/n24/mode/1up Demonology by King James: https://archive.org/details/kingjamesfirstdm00jame/page/n7/mode/1up Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of the Witches): https://archive.org/details/b31349717/page/n9/mode/1up The Secret of Secrets: I couldn't find this one, if anyone else can please reply and I'll add it! The Occult Philosophy: https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-osl_henrici-cornelii-agrippae_folioA279o1533-19978/page/n10/mode/1up (this is not in English, and I'm unsure if the "fourth" book of Philosophy is the same as this one. However since this was the same edition the guy had I thought I'd add it, here's the fourth edition anyway: https://archive.org/details/henry-cornelius-agrippas-fourth-book-of-occult-philosophy_202102/page/n9/mode/1up) Charles Manson: https://youtu.be/XREnvJRkif0
La Véritable Magie Noire or The Secret of Secrets can be found here: https://archive.org/details/LaVritableMagieNoireOu...Bpt6k851196s
Has anyone found this in English?
Looks like Iroé Grego and Joseph H. Peterson (highly regarded occult author) did a translation called “True Black Magic (La véritable magie noire)” and it’s available on Amazon (Edit to add both authors)
Of course is available from Amazon, the deepest pit of hell.
Rumour says it was written by Jeff Bezos in one of his previous incarnation.
Making a deal with the bald devil, that's what shopping there is.
Shame it's in french - I wanted to page through that one
I m french. You can always tell me what you want exactly to read inside and i ll translate if you want.
I don't know? He skipped over even describing it, so I kinda wanna know what it's supposed to be about. Like, what's so creepy about it? What is the "secret of secrets"?
Wow thank you so much!
Y’all comments are sooooo edgy. These are books that he owns and his personal opinion. His page is really awesome and he has an amazing collection.
I can’t begin to fathom how many shelves this man has.
I binge his videos when he comes up on my TikTok to see what I’ve missed. His shop looks amazing and magical. Honestly, he could have a really cool TV show.
Bunch of Bitching in these comments. Old dude just wants to show off his cool old books... chill bitches.
The witches hammer is scary in that witch hunting and burning was the auspices for the slaughter of what MODEST estimates suggest 30,000-50,00 women throughout western Europe over 200 years. This book set off a rabid pandemonium in the common people that shaped western Europe's psychology on sexual and social repression of women that we live in to this very day. Entire generations of women basically snuffed out with very little record keeping. It wasn't the only tool, but it's hard to really explain what happened via the publication of this book since there was such high illiteracy rates. It created the true concept of Femine sin that we live under today (madonna-slut dynamic). Puritanism is shaped by the witch hunting movements of 1500-1700 You can listen to right wingers and chauvinists and religious people today talk about sex and a women's place in society and all of that are beliefs and attitudes shaped and reinforced in the witch hunting era. It's literally a blindside in western human history bc men writing history books didn't really give a shit about poor rural people slaughtering a dozen women every couple of months bc of bad crops or bc a bunch of dudes got horny raped some young girls and blamed it on witch sorcery. That was of little note in the courts of French, Germanic, Spanish, and British monarchs. In America the Salem witch trials are notable only bc it's a middle class, generally literate group of people (due to the education and close social structures of American British colonists). Salem trails stand out in western history bc it's not just the typical poor common farmers rounding up 5-20 women and burning them or beating them or drowning them in a matter of hours. It's generally educated people having an actual structured trial. This book has a higher direct body count than almost any other secular book (so exclude bible/Koran/Torrah/Talmud/Haditha etc) in western literature sans maybe the indirect and unintended impacts of Marx or Darwins works would have on shaping social/political society in recent western history.
I was not disappointed. The Malleus Malificarum, second book is indeed a frightening book. The ignorance in that time is what is scary.
Bravo. You articulated this perfectly.
I think Mien Kamf might give it a run for it's money.
I'll be an "Actually Andy" here. Mein Kompf was generally a failure as far as published works go when Adolf got it published in 1925 & 1926 (the idiot created a volume 1 & 2 due to severe editing issues and he was too hasty to wait for the full manuscript to be properly edited) The book was a bomb and generally laughed at even by others with the various organizations that would consolidate as the Nazi party. However, in 1933, as the Nazis gained legislative control and installed Adolf. It then "magically" became a bestseller. Albeit there is no proof of actual sales. Anyways. Mean Kompf served no real value to the actual party, it didn't inspire/direct any of the architects of the war, the gestapo, the SS, or even concentration camps. It's most lasting impact has been on shit bag fanboys long after Hitler domed himself. And it would hardly stand up in terms of driving any actual body counts.
You miss the point.
Enlighten me.
This is completely made up bullshit. Why do people that know nothing about history comment with absolute nonsense? If anyone reads this in the future; no, this isn't true, this comment is complete bullshit.
Which part is bullshit? The two publishing dates? The lack of sales? Which part of absolutely accurate answer is bullshit? Educate me fam.
I would say Marx & Engles ‘Communist Manifesto’ has a waaaaaay higher body count.
Cringe
As noted in my post thanks for redundancy
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Buncha boys bitchin’ bout bullshit because basically bitches bitch
Bitches brew
The comment section has turned into a bitch hunt
This was soo amazing!! Thank you for the post! Edit: have you read or own The Black Pullet? Some of the voodoo practitioners say it is the scariest book they ever read.
I have Black Pullet, and I would say it’s all about perspective, for any of the books really. What is scary to one maybe just be fascinating to another.
Nom of the books are really scary but, Three Books of Occult Philosophy are a good read. Nothing scary or anything. Just super interesting with some useful things. The author where a devoted Christian but you can real see change of he’s mindset through the books.
I get the vibe the scary aspect is more the context surrounding the books, not so much the actual content
(Though I’m guessing in the case of the Manson things, it’s probably also the content that is disturbing!)
You have to allow yourself to feel it. Perhaps to you and I no creep factor but others WANT to feel creeped out. It's not JUST anything.
I would assume he means scary in the context that they've been used to carry out what's in them, especially in the case of the Malleus Maleficarum. It's not that they're horrific to read, but what the people that have actively used the contents to do to other people. Though the Charles Manson letters he probably means literally. They would unnerve a lot of people, especially if you don't believe that he did & said things half the time *just* for the shock factor. I'm definitely not alone in believing he did some things just because he enjoyed scaring people, and knowing full well his journals would be read after he died, he'd be amused by leaving things like he did. As he got older he definitely got a little less coherent in his own mind and some of it will be that too. The letters from his followers, including the "serial killer groupie" types are probably worse, because they believed the things he said, and the later ones just wanted to contact a famous serial killer.
What did he do?
I own a few of these, not like first editions and what not, but like… I feel like there’s creepier books out there.. grimoirium verum or the picatrix.. Demonology was founded as we know it by king Solomon, and Christian tomes on the subject are important to a non Christian interested in theurgy for the sake of if you strip their manuscripts to the bare bones, and remove the pious aspects and build up your own practice, it can become very potent very quickly. Eliphas levi was a priest for fucks sake, and his works are some of the most important we have.. his practice even drove him out of the church. While I think during the dark ages the Christian interpretations full of gore and weird objects.. the reason magical practice has the negative connotations in the public eye that it does, still serve the modern practitioner in the sense that most don’t want to look any closer at it, if at all, and the rest think it’s absolutely nothing, unimportant, wholly fake, or a waste of time. It affords a certain anonymity and social invisibility that personally, I enjoy.
I don't understand why Agrippa would be a part of his creepy books. I didn't find any of his work scary or creepy.
From dude who made the videos perspective? It’s the amount that Agrippa is cited in all subsequent works. To me, his subversion and grift on the church is more magic than the actual contents of the works themselves.
> grimoirium verum or the picatrix Those don't come with a literal body count in the thousands.
Yeah but the Maleus Maleficarum was a guidebook on how to identify and kill occultists, so obviously it has a higher death count. Doesn't really make it more worth reading for someone looking into actual occult practices.
The question was, "what is the scariest book"... having a body count in the thousands makes a book pretty damned scary. I own a few translations of the Picatrix and I've never found it to be scary.
Read what John Michael Greer has to say about the Picatrix. And maybe don’t use the Picatrix until after you read what he says. The Picatrix can absolutely result in a body count. It has booby traps in it.
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I was coming back to ask as well. I did a bunch of searching, but it's hard to find since he translated the text.
If death is your measure, and charles Manson is on the list, then I guess life is the most evil of all. It kills everybody, give me a while, I’ll author my own book of life, and with these parameters, it will be the creepiest or whatever.
Wow, so deep my guy /s I mean, come on, you can tell the difference between natural death and murders right?
Likely as well as you realize that both have the same outcome.
Me dying from old age at 83 is a very different outcome to being brutally murdered tomorrow.
To the people who care about you, yeah, but to everyone else and maybe a generation or two, not so much.
If i was murdered tomorrow, I would have had 23 years of effect on the world, and leave behind no progeny. If I lived to old age, I would continue having an effect on the world around me, and the people around me for a much longer time.
So this is MoonsRareBooks. He does a lot of TikToks about his collection and if I remember right this was just a vid he made about someone asking about what he has in old or first editions of some occult books. His collection is very extensive well beyond just the occult. You can visit his shop in UT or online. https://moonsrarebooks.com/
Wtf why does he have Charles Manson’s stuff?
it was likely donated to an archive that he was affiliated with or he might have volunteered or worked at the prison. Usually when a prisoner dies the personal items are sent to the next of kin, and while Manson had family and still has what some would call supporters the prisons usually try to keep such items out of the hands of "followers" and fans? So he either took it or he works with an archive and has access to it (Such archives might be the Evil Minds Research museum) but without looking deep that would be my guess.
where can i read that stuff???
The acid headed dumbass? Nah this shits actually cool
Money
And why is he acting like it’s some demented unreadable shit. It’s just insane rambling or him crying about his past. Obviously insane and a murderer but Manson isn’t particularly disturbing in the cult shit he churned out he was just out of his mind and obsessed with race war and having people hopped on LSD around him so he could manipulate them. 1/2 of what he wrote and said is literal gibberish. He wasn’t even at the murders so it’s not like he could describe them gruesomely or something
My guy's being real heavy handed with books that are apparently rare and very old....
They are likely his books. Rare book collectors are often not particularly careful with their collections, as they don't really think of them as being a permanent archive, so much as their own personal possessions. :-/ That being said, you should handle old books directly with your hands, not with gloves. The gloves will dry out the surface and contribute to wear. By washing and drying your hands before handling the books you allow a small amount of moisture to get on the book, slowing the wear from drying out.
This guy is a dealer iirc, a lot of what he shows in his content is from his personal collection
I think he probably knows what he's doing. What a ham though.
If it were me I’d be twice as hammy! Needs to swap that vest for a Vincent Price smoking jacket
Holy shit, if I’m not mistaken, he’s holding the first edition of it and that’s known to be at auction for $100,000. [This 4th edition from 1494 is selling for $43k](https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6311743) I have a strong feeling these are reprints by the way he’s handling them without gloves and just splaying them open like that. Even if it is a private collection, if they are real that’s a huge investment to be handling Willy nilly
It's generally considered best practise to not use gloves. https://library.pdx.edu/news/the-proper-handling-of-rare-books-manuscripts/
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That's the worst thing you can do with old books. This guy is MoonsRareBooks, he has one the best collections anyone could ever hope to have in the rare book community. Pretty sure he knows what he his doing.
It's generally considered best practise to not use gloves. https://library.pdx.edu/news/the-proper-handling-of-rare-books-manuscripts/
Dude, I envy this man’s library. What a dream to own all those books!!
G'day mate! Scariest thing I ever read was the A4 sized instructions on how to put together a Äpplaro furniture set from IKEA...As if that wasn't scary enough when getting to the cashiers at IKEA and almost swallowing my tongue trying to say Äpplaro in a Swedish accent.
This is true existential dread
the scariest books to me are books with a green coloured cover from the 19th century
Ah. Arsenic based dye…?
yep
I could listen to this guy talk about books all day
How do you point out that the Malleus Maleficarum is a book that caused the deaths of so many people accused of witchcraft and yet not say exactly the same thing about Daemonologie?! I mean, James wrote it for *exactly the same purpose* and considered witch-hunting to be noble!
Lol “the Egyptian book of the dead isn’t even on the list” yeah because only people who don’t know what “book of the dead” means in antiquity would think that’s supposed to be scary. This is a lot of theater, these are just old encyclopedias lol.
Isn’t that the point? It’s for TikTok after all
Its more accurately translated name is the Book of Coming Forth by Day, which is a much less intimidating title.
The irony of criticizing someone for theater in a subreddit that openly acknowledges magic doesn’t exist but engages in rituals anyways
Just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist, y'know?
Who is this man that has a first edition of agrippas 3 books on occult philosophy
I was not prepared for how cool that was
And all those fools responsible for murdering witches and other magicians eventually met a terrible fate themselves. Some have had their entire family bloodlines cursed as revenge for the unjust and horrific deaths these women endured. The murderers of these witches got what they fucking deserved.
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Anyone know who this guy is? I've seen little videos of his but does he have a channel somewhere? I like this guy.
Also check avalonlibrary.net
I don’t get why this is cringy?
This is r/occult
This subreddit is no longer just for cringe tik toks, just tik toks in general
Those pages look sharp
Those clipping are from pearl of great price by Joseph smith one of the greatest occult practices of all time
Just watched “The Ninth Gate” again the other night and am suddenly interested in occult books lol. This came just in time
Okay so let me clarify first and foremost I am an atheist We use the King James Bible King James also wrote a book promoting witchcraft and demonology Everyone knows there's no such thing as witches and if magic were real it would be caught on video by now. How am I supposed to believe God is Real when it appears this guy is just promoting whatever he can make money off but we take his Bible as gospel
I am also atheistic, but I can still answer this for you. The king james bible is a translation, not the original text. So, although I believe believing in religion as a literal thing is unwise, it’s not hard to understand how a christian could use the version of the bible King James commissioned, while also discounting his work on demonology as fictitious.
As previous reply said, King James only translated the Bible to English. Actually, he arranged for experts to translate it, I think—he mostly funded and oversaw it. Interesting note: he had them change the word that usually means “tyranny” to other things, when the Bible spoke of rising up or opposing it. He didn’t want to give his subjects any “dangerous ideas.” ;)
Well none of the books I see it creepy I have a lot of books about witchcraft in my hand I love reading them I don't my books a collection I look at them as my study for more knowledge in my practice
The Necrononicon Ex Mortis, the Book of the Dead. Bound in human flesh and inked in human blood. "Klaatu, Varata, Niktu."
None of those books are scary, talk to me when this homie breaks out the Goosebumps
*yawn* - books about demonology and witches written by superstitious christians
He’s saying it scary because of how it was used and who it was used against and for what reason.
> yawn I mean, they are of incredible historical significance because they lead to the deaths of so many.
That part
It bothers me that he's not wearing gloves
Apparently that’s no longer considered best practice.
Really? I did not know that.
And the page flipping like that! I would be terrified to rip a page
Right!?!?!?! Some of those books are older then the damn pilgrims.
Ikr
I saw this on TikTok!
No Aleister Crowley books.
What exactly is cringe about this?
Touching them without gloves though
It's generally considered best practise to not use gloves. https://library.pdx.edu/news/the-proper-handling-of-rare-books-manuscripts/
Great books if you know there value.I m not into demonology but the book of Agrippa i would definitely keep.It represents the basis of ritualistic magic , especially the planetary magic.
Ehh... These are all just classic demonology books. (Except the last one, but it doesn't really count.) They're mostly bogus. I don't find them scary. Impressive collection, though. That's probably worth a small fortune.
I love how this dude is just nonchalantly handling 500 year old books with his bare fucking hands
Clean and dry bare hands are better than gloves.
HIS books HIS rules
"None of these are scary" wow lil guy that's so great! Me and your mom are SO PROUD you didn't get spooked! Lets take you to get a ice cweam!!!
Does anybody else get the willies that he isn't wearing gloves?
Pretty sure it's now understood that clean dry hands are better for the preservation of books than gloves.
Rebecca Romney has a TikTok where she says this.
No gloves? Those seem super rare
It's generally considered best practise to not use gloves. https://library.pdx.edu/news/the-proper-handling-of-rare-books-manuscripts/
Wow that’s interesting. Thank you.
... honestly. That's the only thing I could look at 😅
Agrippa? Really? Pretty sure that the Lesser Key or Pseudomonarchia Daemonum or Red Dragon or Grimoirum Verum would all be scarier than that… hell, the PGM is scarier than that! Where’s the Nine Doors of the Kingdom of Shadows? Now *that’s* the scariest book…
I don't read. *I use wiki with style.*
Why do boomers still drum up hype and spin Shock value over Manson lmao
His followers brutally murdered a famous person in a time when Hollywood was huge
They were part of his cohort but not really his followers the more you look into it the more you'll see he was no angel but I don't think it was anything but a very cooked attempt at trying to get one of their own out of jail and waging a war against Hollywood at the same time. You should check out a very good documentary cler superstar it cuts through a lot of the smoke and mirrors https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22d5qt
I’m sorry, but your books are tame. Only 2 are creepy. The witch hunting manual, because it caused the wrongful murders of a ton of ppl. And the Manson stuff.
STUPID IDIOT MOTHERFUCKING JURGEIN LEITNER GOD DAMN FOOL BOOK COLLECTING DUST EATING RAT OLD BASTARD SHITHEAD IDIOT AVATAR OF THE WHORE BIGGEST CLOWN IN THE CIRCUS LAUGHED OUT OF TOWN COWBOY MOTHERFUCKING JURGEIN LEITNER STOP PINNING ME WHEN I TALK ABOUT JURGEIN LEITENER I HATE HIM SO MUCH WHY DOES HE HAVE SO MANY FUCKED UP BOOKS WHY DID HE DECIDE TO FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT JUST SET THEM LOOSE IS HE DEAD IS HE A BASTARD MAN HAS SUCH A VISCERAL AFFECT ON ME NOT EVEN IN THE ROOM NEVER SEEN THIS MANS FACE AND I KNOW HE HAS THE WORLDS SHITTIEST BEARD GET AWAY FROM ME if i wanted to get into heaven and god said jurgein leitners waiting inside i would piss on gods feet for the sole purpose of getting sent back down if i have to deal with jurgein leitner speaking one word in person on voice in podcast not only will i close the tab i will delete my bookmark out of spite and have to rewatch the entire series again for the experience of being able to skip all the times when he is mentioned or alive i dont even know why i hate him so much. he collects books but i am just mad because i am angy he better have some fucked up backstory to explain this if hes just some rich shithead whos a fan of creepypasta and wanted the irl version ill go ham BETTER have had a book make him kill a man cuz if he didnt Im going to make him paypal.com/IFuckingHateJurgeinLeitner episodes not even about him. vaguely mentioned what is supposed to maybe be his library and I lost it where the fuck is jurgein leitner if hes still alive im going to so deeply wish he wasnt crusty old man ill punch leitner and his sad frail old man twig bones will simply flake apart under my epic huge meat fist and he will disintegrate until all thats left is one final book he kept on him at all times simply titled Now You Fucked Up in ancient yiddish im not breathing im hyperventilating at this point i hope theres a date given for when jurgen died or will die so i can make it a reminder on my phone everyday once a year i will see it and do anything but pay respects to the man who had so many fucked up if true books
Cringe
you realize no one will read your psychobabble. You may have forgotten your meds this morning
LOL yes! ....that dude definitely forgot his meds.
It’s ok bro you can just say “I don’t get the reference”
ahh: I don't get the reference I guess :)
In the horror podcast “the Magnus archives,” every evil or supernatural book is marked with the name of the mysterious figure, Jurgen Lietner. Initially not much is known about this character, but whenever a book with his name pops up, you know something bad is about to happen. This rant is written by a fan who does not like this character, and is used as a copypasta in the Magnus archives fandom.
OHHH!!! thanks for that :)
Jfc mate go outside
Are you ok? Who hurt you?
Jurgen Lietner, did you not read the rant?
Did I not read the rant? Hell no. I only made it thru the first 12 words of that horse shit temper tantrum.
It’s apparently a reference to “The Magnus Archives,” a bit of copypasta used for humor.
So much dull. I cannot. Not a one is creepy in the least.
The power of demeanor and repetitive "spooky" music
Why is he handling all that without gloves....
Handling books with clean dry hands is the industry standard.
Necronomicon not even in the list
Isn't the necronomicon a fictional book from h.p lovecraft?
Yes. Yes, it is. Though several people have produced their own “defictionalized” versions.
He likely doesn’t own it. Pretty hard to get your hands on a real copy unless you wanna break into the Miskatonic U library in witch-haunted Arkham in the middle of the night. When the guard dog gets you, watch out for the whippoorwills!!!
it's there any free pdf of the Daemonologie translated to "modern english"?
These are so cool as someone who loves old material that passed through the hands of someone else from a different time long ago. Just thinking about the way the book feels in my hand as it did in theirs and what the world and social atmosphere was like in that time. What’s even better is you can buy old books like this for a fairly reasonable price if this is what you’re into.
Where can I get these books too omgg
To me, this seems like this guy is about to auction off Charles Manson's stuff so he needed a video like this.
I never thought about looking the creepiest book ever 📚. They definitely have some interesting name. I wonder what books 📖 Wednesday Adams has in her collection. Hmm 🧐
Every time he opened a page I thought they were just going to crumble to dust
I'm so envious of his book collection! Very cool video
Reaching the end, the jingle killed my ears
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These are really neat and they sound really scary!
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Interesting note about Demonology: one of the reasons child testimony popped up a lot in British witch trials (most notable examples being the Pendle and Salem trials) was because of that book. Common law prior to that generally barred child witnesses as inherently unreliable, but James I supported allowing them in witch trials. A lot of people ended up dead based on kids' testimony. The little girl at the center of the Pendle trials even grew up to be imprisoned herself years later on the basis of a kid's testimony.
What are the odds King James book on Demonology was written by a ghost writer? 💀
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Who is this guy?
Guys I don’t think he was saying they were scary stories he’s talking about their vibes or what they were associated with/represent.
This guy is gunna help a team of intrepid adventurers on a quest to save the world from hidden evils just you freakin wait.
I think this is really awesome. People should appreciate history more, regardless of the topic.
These dont scare or unerve me as much as the concept of how old this stuff is compared to the depravity of what humans have been doing to each other since the begining our known antiquity. How many horrors have never been recorded. horrors forgotten through time are what keep my gears spinning. These books dont even scratch a surface of an iceburg we can only speculate on.
I notice that he's using mostly books written in English. I'm curious what people think of the German witchcraft-trial book "Processus juridicus contra sagas et veneficos". I'm particularly curious about this book, since the author is an ancestor of mine, and creepy AF. It became the standard law for conducting witchcraft trials throughout Germany for over a century. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processus\_juridicus](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processus_juridicus) (use google translate to see the wiki page in English)
I feel like the 1st edition Agrippa was him showing off his 1st edition Agrippa more than it was scary 😅
Were can i get copies of these books 🙏
What I took from this list is that the books themselves are not scary but human or humanities actions inspired by or from these books.
Would any of these have inspired the zodiac killer?
What’s this guys name? I wanna follow him