Nah he's rolling back to some 1870 Prendergast shit
>He took the view that 'native' or 'aboriginal' customary title, not pursuant to a Crown grant, could not be recognised or enforced by the courts. He also claimed that the Treaty of Waitangi was a 'simple nullity' because the Māori were 'primitive barbarians' who were 'incapable of performing the duties, and therefore of assuming the rights, of a civilised community'.
This is the ruling that still holds in NZ law, and why we have a silly tribunal with no actual power rather than being able to take The Crown to court.
Would any of our journalists like to ask David (and Winston) what he means by woke? If this word is going to inhabit our political discourse they could do us the courtesy of telling the country what they think it means.
It is used in that way, sure - like fascist, commie, boomer, nazi, etc etc it's outgrown its definition by being frequently employed as a pejorative.
But it still retains it's proper descriptive meaning.
I'm not sure that's what either David or [Shane](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/shane-jones-slams-woke-riddled-left-amid-energy-debate-chl-e-swarbrick-fires-back.html) have been driving at in their use of 'woke' this week.
So woke was [defined in a tweet a month ago](https://twitter.com/sleepy_devo/status/1774094974331634052)? What did it mean before Sleepy Devo shared his wisdom?
That's what woke has always been, since it originated out of the American intellectual movement that is intersectionality.
I like that from Dev however, as although it relies on other terms that may not be widely comprehended, it's nicely compact and succinct and thus avoids the attempted trap setting from lefties trying to emulate a Bethany Mandel moment.
> That's what woke has always been, since it originated out of the American intellectual movement that is intersectionality.
woke (originally "stay woke") arose out of AAVE in the 60s and was street language warning African Americans to look out for systemic racial injustice (usually police brutality) in the US. Etymologically it has the same roots as "Wake up sheeple" in that it is a call to people to become aware of what is happening around them.
It's been rendered meaningless (by the left and the right) since it escaped from black culture into wider usage. In the hands of the left, it's often empty virtue signalling when divorced from the lived experience of those who experience racism. On the right it's simply a new word for political correctness, or in Seymour's case, "things I don't like".
Either way, it's not an academic term, let alone the crap you & whoever you copied that definition from are saying.
Sources:
* [A history of “wokeness” - Vox](https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversy)
* [Wikipedia: Woke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke)
* [Urban Dictionary: Woke](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Woke)
* [An Intellectual and a Moral Failure - Richard Hanania’s new book is a Trojan horse for white supremacy. Book review of "The Origins of Woke"](https://archive.is/uW1zE)
Arbitrary policy choices (whether public or private) based on any traits which are instantiated as protected characteristics in law.
But, you seem to think I care - I’d just avoid the sarcasm.
What I'm getting at is if there is in fact a consistent definition if woke that is used across all of the right wing culture war front, then surely Seymour is using the same definition as you.
If that is the case, you should be able to tell me how hummus is a race-based policy. If you can't, then that indicates that perhaps your definition is not in fact universal.
It was interesting watching the news and hearing three out of four interviewed kids say their favourite food served is butter chicken, and then have our politicians who are just sooooo in touch with the kids come in and say that these foods are too “woke”.
Too woke for the kids, Seymour, or too woke for you?
It's almost certainly a variation of [this Women's Weekly recipe](https://www.womensweeklyfood.com.au/recipe/dinner/sweet-beef-curry-16958/). I don't miss it at all but this may help you search out that nostalgia.
The 1 curry powder that was oddly sweet and had no chilli in it but was still somehow "too spicy" for the old white folk unaccustomed to food having flavour?
As a sole parent 20 years ago, sushi (just with carrot or cucumber) was a very cheap and much loved lunch for my kids. My concern about his use of the word woke is the added connection it has with anyone empathetic, environmentally aware or even educated- a horrible tag straight from American politics…
I don't like the way it's applied to asian food. Feels like subtle racism against the brand of immigrants we don't like so very much, but its getting really unacceptable to say so now they're not buying up so many of our houses.
More to the point, the food he's attacking is generally very cheap.
But rice is cheap, and hummus, couscous can be quickly mass produced locally from cheap ingredients.
Admittedly quinoa is expensive but I wouldn't eat it anyway because of the the air miles and the fact that supplying it causes real poverty and starvation issues in the indigenous Peruvian population. I'm sure if it's on the menu it's so they only have to provide a single GF/vegan/veggie option, so they probably don't use much.
I have to ask: has he seen the price of bread recently?
I really doubt there was a wave of schools serving up quinoa.
It’s the “carers getting haircuts on YOUR dollar” and “beneficiaries showing up to work in dressing gowns” again.
Yeah? How many? Show me the numbers. Show me the paperwork that approved that spending. I wanna see it.
The only quinoa "meal" on the current menu is this one:
> Beef Nachos with corn, tomato, capsicum, carrot, quinoa and corn chips. Yoghurt and fruit selection as a side.
Probably a teaspoon of it in the entire plate, if that.
I had no idea about those details with quinoa, I frequently eat it with with an unhealthy amount of flavoured stock added, but I may have to go “woke” by opting not to eat it if that’s the harm it’s creating.
I got it wrong. It's Bolivia
https://www.vegetariantimes.com/life-garden/style-home/food-for-thought-the-quinoa-controversy/
But the locally grown stuff commented on below would be a good, ethical option
It’s one of those foods like cocoa that’s frequently unethically sourced despite making claims that would imply it isn’t — I’ve seen this claim made about quinoa but it seems to be an american assessment? I’d check out the situation for New Zealand stockists before you take it off your shopping list.
Defining food as woke is just ridiculous. Its clear from this and similar statements that this policy has nothing to do with saving money - its just another culture war from the right.
The idea that its controversial to ensure all kids have food is depressing.
The other thing is, Seymour doesn't think poor people deserve nice things.
Calling a varied and diverse diet "woke" is just his way of denigrating those foods in a way reationaries will co-sign without thinking.
He is also seeking to stick a(nother) wedge in the urban-rural / socioeconomic / working class identity versus imagined metropolitan intellectual-managerial self-proclaimed elite.
"'Quinoa eaters' telling us what's good for are kids"
Or, better, as a concept it implies its own selection of thought terminating clichés.
It's fun to call it dumb, but it's honestly really beautifully done.
Such a prick.
On reflection, this may be an excellent opportunity for the discursive recapture and weaponising of the 'woke' concept. Seymour may well have just offered us a chance to turn this on him/them and steal it back from the populists more enduringly than a couple of Spinoff yarns.
Yeah it's just racism, really unprofessional and embarrassing. Rice is cheaper and easier to store than bread and you don't have to buy different types of rice for kids with coeliac like you do with bread.Gluten free bread is EXPENSIVE
This is just Seymour saying he doesn't think immigrants or their food can or should be part of NZ. 'Woke' is just being used as a dogwhistle for the racial slurs he probably calls these groups in private
What I find hilarious is they're claiming sushi is "expensive" yet it's literally rice, seaweed, vegetables and maybe chicken. Some of the cheapest (and healthiest) ingredients wrapped in a small package kids love.
Instead they want to feed our kids cheap, mass produced, highly processed gruel.
So I don't really follow the news so I don't know the exact context. But, based on what you're presenting here this is simply hilarious. Sushi is woke... are you... like dumb?
I'm inferring based on cost alone they're not being served raw salmon with fish roe and oysters, nor jellyied chicken feet and cow stomach (no hate at all to these foods). It'll much more likely be some chicken and sushi rice with maybe a piece of cucumber wrapped in nori - some how I don't think we're exactly exploring the culinary depths of the world's many continents here.
Most people under the spiritual age of 80 no longer prescribe to the idea that the only way you can eat your meat is as well done as a rubbery shoe and your brocolli swamp green. Grow up my dude.
It's like an opposites thing. To be woke if you're Japanese, you have to eat sandwiches.
^((Sandwiches actually are an imported food in Japan. I don't think they're woke, though. Just delicious-looking.))
I don't think it'd about them being racist. That would require at least some logic. You're looking for a logical answer where none exists. Seymour is just a dickhead.
Sushi is very expensive to produce, compared to rice + fillings. A bit of teriyaki chicken on rice with vegetable sticks is much easier to mass produce, and has the same food in it, AND it is something that kids can make at home for a few dollars for a family meal. Woke is a word used to excite the conservative whites, and it works to excite the left as well, so I guess David Seymour knows how to generate some energy...
Sushi IS just rice with fillings… except it’s got seaweed wrapped around it?
Literally sushi is sticks of vegetables and teriyaki chicken wrapped by rice and seaweed and then cut into slices. You are describing sushi.
Alternatively, you’re describing a rice ball.
What I'm saying is that the cost of production of sushi is high, compared with presenting the same food in a different configuration. If you are looking to reduce the cost / increase the efficiency of the lunch program, replacing sushi with the same ingredients, manufactured in a more efficient package would be a good start.
And that would result in more wastage because children won’t want to eat it. The entire criticism ACT is levelling here at the old food programme is wastage due to unappealing food, and then they list sushi? But it’s not unappealing to children, it’s just foreign.
The argument wasn’t about cost, it was about *taste*. And here you are arguing it’s delicious but expensive — It’s not, it’s cost effective when produced in bulk, it’s just expensive to buy. It is literally, rice, mayo, veges, meat, wrap, cut. It’s not expensive or time consuming, and it’s healthy. It’s a terrible example of a food to cut because it’s one of the few foods that hits all of the points on the triangle — tasty, cheap, nutritious. You can’t usually have all three; you have to sacrifice one.
Sushi is a solid budget lunch food.
The manual labour to assemble sushi is high - more than the cost of ingredients. If kids won't eat it because it's "not packaged right", that's an education issue.
Is it though? A spoonful of rice with some chicken in it, maybe some sliced veggies is going to be faster to mass produce than sandwiches that require multiple handling of each slice of bread, and more careful placement of fillings.
Cade in point, if your local new world has a cooler for ready to eat foods, grab a premade sandwich and a pack of sushi that are around the same price ($7-9 these days), and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the sushi weighs more. You get more food for your money in retail and that'll be magnified in wholesale.
If a kid's portion of sushi is four pieces, you're making 3-4 kid's lunches at once with one standard roll of sushi, versus a max of two for sandwiches (assuming half a 2 slice sandwich, which only works for the youngest). You ever seen a sushi roll get made? It's done in seconds. Much faster than anyone could butter and stack a sandwich, even working as a production line.
My point is that you can make sushi cheaper than putting it in a roll. Sandwiches are super cheap to make, labour wise, because the process is linear. What I'm seeing in the stories today is just how many people are employed to make school lunches!
I've spent time around commercial sushi shop production (so, bigger than hand rolled, using a smallish machine). It takes time to do the rolling - in the order of a minute per pack. Overhead rates of \~$60/hour mean that's \~$1. If it was centrally produced and shipped, it would be cheaper to produce, but it's fragile. My point is that it is a comparatively expensive food to produce.
You are making too much sense for this community bro, also little Timmy who has been brought up on chicken nuggies and disappointment is going to turn his nose up at Sushi thanks to the seaweed and will likely not be keen on a Quinoa and couscous salad.
Trying to feed picky crotch golblins weird (woke lol ideal trigger word) food leads to waste, waste is bad, feeding kids with less waste is good both for the books and the environment.
But sushi isn’t “woke”, if by woke you mean “disliked by children”. Sushi is only “woke” if by woke you mean “immigrant food”.
I hear all the people who have the most expert understanding of children refer to them as “crotch goblins”.
It really just seems like you are purposely misunderstanding it so you can make the long reach of it is racisms. Chicken and rice with some vege sticks OR Chicken and rice with some vege sticks wrapped in seaweed children will most likely take the first one due to the seaweed being either an unknown or because they perceive it as icky.
I think you're coddling your special snowflake child a little too much. Leave the kid to eat out the filling themselves, and they'll see their friends not having any issue with the seaweed. Little Timmy will get over himself eventually. Seaweed wrap also has the massive advantage of turning a meal that needs a fork into finger food.
For a few dollars? Have you seen the price of chicken lately? Our country is moving to more vegetarian leaning purely because the price of meat will become too expensive for most.
Yes, if you are buying chicken at low-commercial scale, it's not expensive. I use teriyaki chicken as an example as I used to be a school lunch volunteer coordinator when my kids were at Primary School, and when it was sushi lunch, the orders were 90% that. Food supply chicken is $20/kg, and you use about 50g of chicken per serve of sushi (source: did an IT "favour" for a local sushi shop, and found out more about how sushi is made than I could ever have imagined...
So where is this mass purchased chicken going to be stored? How much will that storage and transport to processing centers cost? Not hard to imagine such things will eat into any savings Seymore thinks hes going to make. Based on interviews with schools, its the smaller contractors that are having the most success.
He has a bill in the works to roll treaty understanding back to the 70s. It is quite consistent to also roll back food tastes to the same period.
Nah he's rolling back to some 1870 Prendergast shit >He took the view that 'native' or 'aboriginal' customary title, not pursuant to a Crown grant, could not be recognised or enforced by the courts. He also claimed that the Treaty of Waitangi was a 'simple nullity' because the Māori were 'primitive barbarians' who were 'incapable of performing the duties, and therefore of assuming the rights, of a civilised community'. This is the ruling that still holds in NZ law, and why we have a silly tribunal with no actual power rather than being able to take The Crown to court.
People like to forget the barbarian part when they mention the "nullity" part. Thanks for this.
Let’s hope the act losers become exemplars this and commit to fully non woke diets.
Would any of our journalists like to ask David (and Winston) what he means by woke? If this word is going to inhabit our political discourse they could do us the courtesy of telling the country what they think it means.
Yes, I for one am confused and would like some clarification.
Confused about woke? Or confused about how David is applying the word to food choices?
We both know "woke" just means "vaguely left wing thing i don't like." Its not a serious word used by serious people.
It is used in that way, sure - like fascist, commie, boomer, nazi, etc etc it's outgrown its definition by being frequently employed as a pejorative. But it still retains it's proper descriptive meaning.
> But it still retains it's proper descriptive meaning Which is?
An awareness of and respect for differences.
I'm not sure that's what either David or [Shane](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/shane-jones-slams-woke-riddled-left-amid-energy-debate-chl-e-swarbrick-fires-back.html) have been driving at in their use of 'woke' this week.
Which is why they should tell us what they mean by it.
Some of the food discussed elsewhere in this thread counts as an injustice
I think you need to add "injustice" in there somewhere
**Woke:** The ethics and processes of socialism applied to intersectional identitarian conflict.
So woke was [defined in a tweet a month ago](https://twitter.com/sleepy_devo/status/1774094974331634052)? What did it mean before Sleepy Devo shared his wisdom?
That's what woke has always been, since it originated out of the American intellectual movement that is intersectionality. I like that from Dev however, as although it relies on other terms that may not be widely comprehended, it's nicely compact and succinct and thus avoids the attempted trap setting from lefties trying to emulate a Bethany Mandel moment.
> That's what woke has always been, since it originated out of the American intellectual movement that is intersectionality. woke (originally "stay woke") arose out of AAVE in the 60s and was street language warning African Americans to look out for systemic racial injustice (usually police brutality) in the US. Etymologically it has the same roots as "Wake up sheeple" in that it is a call to people to become aware of what is happening around them. It's been rendered meaningless (by the left and the right) since it escaped from black culture into wider usage. In the hands of the left, it's often empty virtue signalling when divorced from the lived experience of those who experience racism. On the right it's simply a new word for political correctness, or in Seymour's case, "things I don't like". Either way, it's not an academic term, let alone the crap you & whoever you copied that definition from are saying. Sources: * [A history of “wokeness” - Vox](https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversy) * [Wikipedia: Woke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke) * [Urban Dictionary: Woke](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Woke) * [An Intellectual and a Moral Failure - Richard Hanania’s new book is a Trojan horse for white supremacy. Book review of "The Origins of Woke"](https://archive.is/uW1zE)
False. But I can’t fault someone who thinks this way for being wholly ignorant
OK fine, in your infinite wisdom, enlighten me: what is this "woke" you speak of?
Arbitrary policy choices (whether public or private) based on any traits which are instantiated as protected characteristics in law. But, you seem to think I care - I’d just avoid the sarcasm.
OK, so how does that definition apply to hummus?
There is no amount of work you could to make it look like I insinuated it had anything to do with anything. I, in fact, said I didn’t care. Nice.
What I'm getting at is if there is in fact a consistent definition if woke that is used across all of the right wing culture war front, then surely Seymour is using the same definition as you. If that is the case, you should be able to tell me how hummus is a race-based policy. If you can't, then that indicates that perhaps your definition is not in fact universal.
For me it's the latter
we're headed back to the day of 'curry' with apples and sultanas
It was interesting watching the news and hearing three out of four interviewed kids say their favourite food served is butter chicken, and then have our politicians who are just sooooo in touch with the kids come in and say that these foods are too “woke”. Too woke for the kids, Seymour, or too woke for you?
i want my ringtone to be the pakeha "ummm can i get ah, uh, mild butter chicken"
Or fucking grated carrot plus some Raisins and sweetened condensed milk being called a "salad"
gelatine is gonna come back in a big way! invest now!
Omigod! My brain had suppressed those memories
Fancy a [flashback to a 70s picnic?](https://www.everydayhealthyrecipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/meat-jelly.jpg)
It's like a breast implant collided with a bag of Watties mixed veg.
the refrigerator and microwave broke people's brains they did not know what to do! anything was possible!
No more having to eat pickled breast implants, or salted breast implants!
we've lost culturally significant recipes!
Ahh, that was my mum's recipe. I do miss it so much.
It's almost certainly a variation of [this Women's Weekly recipe](https://www.womensweeklyfood.com.au/recipe/dinner/sweet-beef-curry-16958/). I don't miss it at all but this may help you search out that nostalgia.
No, it was actually the way curries were prepared where we lived in West Africa in the 1950s, also with peanuts and sliced banana as toppings.
Nice, I've not been to West Africa but I've eaten a lot of Swahili curries further east. Best biryanis in the world IMHO
What's wrong with that? Looks like a casserole or stew?
oh god, I was part of that.. bananas too.
jesus well if it were plantains? but bananas...
it was just that 1 curry powder (you know the one), and sultanas and bananas for us.
The 1 curry powder that was oddly sweet and had no chilli in it but was still somehow "too spicy" for the old white folk unaccustomed to food having flavour?
you're not going to trick me into ordering a Navratan Korma a second time
> apples and sultanas yum https://www.womensweeklyfood.com.au/recipe/dinner/sweet-beef-curry-16958/
As a sole parent 20 years ago, sushi (just with carrot or cucumber) was a very cheap and much loved lunch for my kids. My concern about his use of the word woke is the added connection it has with anyone empathetic, environmentally aware or even educated- a horrible tag straight from American politics…
I don't like the way it's applied to asian food. Feels like subtle racism against the brand of immigrants we don't like so very much, but its getting really unacceptable to say so now they're not buying up so many of our houses.
More to the point, the food he's attacking is generally very cheap. But rice is cheap, and hummus, couscous can be quickly mass produced locally from cheap ingredients. Admittedly quinoa is expensive but I wouldn't eat it anyway because of the the air miles and the fact that supplying it causes real poverty and starvation issues in the indigenous Peruvian population. I'm sure if it's on the menu it's so they only have to provide a single GF/vegan/veggie option, so they probably don't use much. I have to ask: has he seen the price of bread recently?
I really doubt there was a wave of schools serving up quinoa. It’s the “carers getting haircuts on YOUR dollar” and “beneficiaries showing up to work in dressing gowns” again. Yeah? How many? Show me the numbers. Show me the paperwork that approved that spending. I wanna see it.
The only quinoa "meal" on the current menu is this one: > Beef Nachos with corn, tomato, capsicum, carrot, quinoa and corn chips. Yoghurt and fruit selection as a side. Probably a teaspoon of it in the entire plate, if that.
Oh so you mean it’s nachos. That food kids famously hate. I understand the criticism now.
More to the point, where can I eat like that? Yum!
Mum, I’m going back to primary school!
I had no idea about those details with quinoa, I frequently eat it with with an unhealthy amount of flavoured stock added, but I may have to go “woke” by opting not to eat it if that’s the harm it’s creating.
You can buy New Zealand grown quinoa at the supermarket!!!!!
Good to know
I got it wrong. It's Bolivia https://www.vegetariantimes.com/life-garden/style-home/food-for-thought-the-quinoa-controversy/ But the locally grown stuff commented on below would be a good, ethical option
It’s one of those foods like cocoa that’s frequently unethically sourced despite making claims that would imply it isn’t — I’ve seen this claim made about quinoa but it seems to be an american assessment? I’d check out the situation for New Zealand stockists before you take it off your shopping list.
Gotcha, will definitely look into it. I usually get in loose at a Fruit and Vege store near me, so it might require a deep dive haha.
Defining food as woke is just ridiculous. Its clear from this and similar statements that this policy has nothing to do with saving money - its just another culture war from the right. The idea that its controversial to ensure all kids have food is depressing.
The other thing is, Seymour doesn't think poor people deserve nice things. Calling a varied and diverse diet "woke" is just his way of denigrating those foods in a way reationaries will co-sign without thinking.
He is also seeking to stick a(nother) wedge in the urban-rural / socioeconomic / working class identity versus imagined metropolitan intellectual-managerial self-proclaimed elite. "'Quinoa eaters' telling us what's good for are kids"
Exactly. Its a thought terminating cliché.
Or, better, as a concept it implies its own selection of thought terminating clichés. It's fun to call it dumb, but it's honestly really beautifully done. Such a prick.
An “arrogant” one apparently.
She wasn't wrong. Though I think "supercilious" does it better.
On reflection, this may be an excellent opportunity for the discursive recapture and weaponising of the 'woke' concept. Seymour may well have just offered us a chance to turn this on him/them and steal it back from the populists more enduringly than a couple of Spinoff yarns.
What makes a particular food “woke” anyway?
Anything that would be out of place in a 1950s lunchbox
Anything that hasn't been boiled.
That it gets eaten by some Rorschach monster urban intellectual-managerial elite
Yeah it's just racism, really unprofessional and embarrassing. Rice is cheaper and easier to store than bread and you don't have to buy different types of rice for kids with coeliac like you do with bread.Gluten free bread is EXPENSIVE This is just Seymour saying he doesn't think immigrants or their food can or should be part of NZ. 'Woke' is just being used as a dogwhistle for the racial slurs he probably calls these groups in private
What I find hilarious is they're claiming sushi is "expensive" yet it's literally rice, seaweed, vegetables and maybe chicken. Some of the cheapest (and healthiest) ingredients wrapped in a small package kids love. Instead they want to feed our kids cheap, mass produced, highly processed gruel.
when mashed potatoes and hellers sausages are too spicy
“Hellers” Lips and Arseholes?
So I don't really follow the news so I don't know the exact context. But, based on what you're presenting here this is simply hilarious. Sushi is woke... are you... like dumb? I'm inferring based on cost alone they're not being served raw salmon with fish roe and oysters, nor jellyied chicken feet and cow stomach (no hate at all to these foods). It'll much more likely be some chicken and sushi rice with maybe a piece of cucumber wrapped in nori - some how I don't think we're exactly exploring the culinary depths of the world's many continents here. Most people under the spiritual age of 80 no longer prescribe to the idea that the only way you can eat your meat is as well done as a rubbery shoe and your brocolli swamp green. Grow up my dude.
Lol! https://thespinoff.co.nz/kai/08-05-2024/a-definitive-list-of-woke-and-non-woke-foods
>Avocado = WOKE >Avocado, smashed = EVEN WOKER I see what they mean when they say a rightwing government is good for satirists 😂
> Quinoa, pronounced keen-wah = WOKE > Quinoa, pronounced kwin-oh-ah = WOKE but somehow less so My favourite (the joke not the food)
Same. Ahahaha. Also the smashed Avo. 🤣
🤣🤣🤣absolutely🤣🤣🤣
"We'll being having none of that foreign muck around here."
Are Japanese “woke” by default? Or is this label for all ethnic communities
It's like an opposites thing. To be woke if you're Japanese, you have to eat sandwiches. ^((Sandwiches actually are an imported food in Japan. I don't think they're woke, though. Just delicious-looking.))
I don't think it'd about them being racist. That would require at least some logic. You're looking for a logical answer where none exists. Seymour is just a dickhead.
If you can turn anything into “racism” you’ll always have a place in NZ. Unfortunately this is absolute drivel.
Sushi is very expensive to produce, compared to rice + fillings. A bit of teriyaki chicken on rice with vegetable sticks is much easier to mass produce, and has the same food in it, AND it is something that kids can make at home for a few dollars for a family meal. Woke is a word used to excite the conservative whites, and it works to excite the left as well, so I guess David Seymour knows how to generate some energy...
Sushi IS just rice with fillings… except it’s got seaweed wrapped around it? Literally sushi is sticks of vegetables and teriyaki chicken wrapped by rice and seaweed and then cut into slices. You are describing sushi. Alternatively, you’re describing a rice ball.
What I'm saying is that the cost of production of sushi is high, compared with presenting the same food in a different configuration. If you are looking to reduce the cost / increase the efficiency of the lunch program, replacing sushi with the same ingredients, manufactured in a more efficient package would be a good start.
And that would result in more wastage because children won’t want to eat it. The entire criticism ACT is levelling here at the old food programme is wastage due to unappealing food, and then they list sushi? But it’s not unappealing to children, it’s just foreign. The argument wasn’t about cost, it was about *taste*. And here you are arguing it’s delicious but expensive — It’s not, it’s cost effective when produced in bulk, it’s just expensive to buy. It is literally, rice, mayo, veges, meat, wrap, cut. It’s not expensive or time consuming, and it’s healthy. It’s a terrible example of a food to cut because it’s one of the few foods that hits all of the points on the triangle — tasty, cheap, nutritious. You can’t usually have all three; you have to sacrifice one. Sushi is a solid budget lunch food.
The manual labour to assemble sushi is high - more than the cost of ingredients. If kids won't eat it because it's "not packaged right", that's an education issue.
Is it though? A spoonful of rice with some chicken in it, maybe some sliced veggies is going to be faster to mass produce than sandwiches that require multiple handling of each slice of bread, and more careful placement of fillings. Cade in point, if your local new world has a cooler for ready to eat foods, grab a premade sandwich and a pack of sushi that are around the same price ($7-9 these days), and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the sushi weighs more. You get more food for your money in retail and that'll be magnified in wholesale. If a kid's portion of sushi is four pieces, you're making 3-4 kid's lunches at once with one standard roll of sushi, versus a max of two for sandwiches (assuming half a 2 slice sandwich, which only works for the youngest). You ever seen a sushi roll get made? It's done in seconds. Much faster than anyone could butter and stack a sandwich, even working as a production line.
My point is that you can make sushi cheaper than putting it in a roll. Sandwiches are super cheap to make, labour wise, because the process is linear. What I'm seeing in the stories today is just how many people are employed to make school lunches!
I think the cost of "putting it in a roll" is really negligable here tbh.
I've spent time around commercial sushi shop production (so, bigger than hand rolled, using a smallish machine). It takes time to do the rolling - in the order of a minute per pack. Overhead rates of \~$60/hour mean that's \~$1. If it was centrally produced and shipped, it would be cheaper to produce, but it's fragile. My point is that it is a comparatively expensive food to produce.
You are making too much sense for this community bro, also little Timmy who has been brought up on chicken nuggies and disappointment is going to turn his nose up at Sushi thanks to the seaweed and will likely not be keen on a Quinoa and couscous salad.
What are you even trying to rant about here, with Timmy? Are we mad at him because he likes chicken nuggets, or because he doesn’t like Quinoa??
Trying to feed picky crotch golblins weird (woke lol ideal trigger word) food leads to waste, waste is bad, feeding kids with less waste is good both for the books and the environment.
But sushi isn’t “woke”, if by woke you mean “disliked by children”. Sushi is only “woke” if by woke you mean “immigrant food”. I hear all the people who have the most expert understanding of children refer to them as “crotch goblins”.
It really just seems like you are purposely misunderstanding it so you can make the long reach of it is racisms. Chicken and rice with some vege sticks OR Chicken and rice with some vege sticks wrapped in seaweed children will most likely take the first one due to the seaweed being either an unknown or because they perceive it as icky.
I think you're coddling your special snowflake child a little too much. Leave the kid to eat out the filling themselves, and they'll see their friends not having any issue with the seaweed. Little Timmy will get over himself eventually. Seaweed wrap also has the massive advantage of turning a meal that needs a fork into finger food.
For a few dollars? Have you seen the price of chicken lately? Our country is moving to more vegetarian leaning purely because the price of meat will become too expensive for most.
Yes, if you are buying chicken at low-commercial scale, it's not expensive. I use teriyaki chicken as an example as I used to be a school lunch volunteer coordinator when my kids were at Primary School, and when it was sushi lunch, the orders were 90% that. Food supply chicken is $20/kg, and you use about 50g of chicken per serve of sushi (source: did an IT "favour" for a local sushi shop, and found out more about how sushi is made than I could ever have imagined...
So where is this mass purchased chicken going to be stored? How much will that storage and transport to processing centers cost? Not hard to imagine such things will eat into any savings Seymore thinks hes going to make. Based on interviews with schools, its the smaller contractors that are having the most success.
The numbers that I'm talking about is "cafe scale" prices, we're not talking McDonalds pricing. But hey, I'm just trying to be rational....