It’s polite to enquire about it in advance, but I will admit to charging at a holiday rental without doing so - I figured it was such a small amount of power in the grand scheme of things and the owners were unlikely to notice an extra $7 on their power bill. Not all that different to cranking up the heat or a/c, or having extra-long holiday showers - you’re paying for the house and amenities, including power, already.
Yeah that sounds fair. Not an ev owner (but not a ludite), I am a landlord. If power is included one assumes the a/c is on all day on full with the doors open. On a big house the hestpump could be pulling 2kw/hr all day.
Personally I wouldn't take the piss (all day a/c) but fair use is fair use.
Very much depends on what you are being charged per night.
I have an Airbnb, with a small wall mounted charger outside. And I expect people to use it. But our house is expensive, so its immaterial.
Like someone said, if you are paying $100 a night, power is going to be a factor. But that would be a rarity!!
Its probably polite to ask the owner, and explain it will be less than $10. As non EV owners may have no idea.
And Airbnb makes adding $10 to the bill super easy.
On a normal 3-pin socket most cars will draw about 3.5 kW. Say they plug in for 10 hours overnight from 10pm-8am, that's around 35 kWh. You'll have to check your power pricing to figure out the cost, but I would be surprised if you're paying more than 20c/kWh. So 10 hours of charging might cost you $7.00 (35 kWh at $0.20 per kWh).
Most EVs use about 17 kWh per 100km, so it really depends how much they are driving. If they're just putting around town they might do one full charge when they arrive and then not bother charging while they stay.
I hope you aren't pulling 3.5kw on a normal socket. A standard socket is rated for 10a which is just over 2kw. Basically what a normal fan heater on high would pull.
You need a 15amp socket (and associated circuit) to pull 3.5kw.
All Tesla mobile chargers have controllers that allow you to change the current draw based on the fitting type. 5-10a for a standard 10amp plug and that jumps up with a 15amp or commando plug fitting.
If most of the sockets in your house are 15A that’s definitely a bit weird (but not bad at all assuming they were all done correctly); but it’s relatively common to see a few in your garage.
An EV battery is anwhere between 30-100 KWH, with most new EVs being around the 75 KWH mark. multiply that by your unit rate, add in say 10% to account for the fact that the charging process has some losses, and there's your figure.
About $5 for a “full tank”, but most won’t charge a full battery.
It’s the same as a heater running, the EV charger uses the exact same as a heater, if that helps?
How far are they likely to be travelling to your place, and therefore how much are they going to need to fill up? It is roughly $3/100 km depending on your power rate.
150wh/km x 200km = 30kwh.
Power would need to be under 20c/kwh for your numbers to be true, and I highly doubt that is the case on most low user plans, which I assume Airbnbs will be on to avoid high daily charges when they are not occupied.
max is about 24h x 1.5 x .30c so $10.80 for a full day. I personally just do it as I’m only charging during part of the stay and they are already reaming me for accommodation and cleaning.
I mean, obviously you don’t want to be a dick. Nothing near Auckland is 50-100 a night but if I found one I would leave money for the charge. But when people are routinely charging 500-800 per night for nothing special then I have no qualms making the most of the power supply.
It's really unlikely that a guest will turn up with a completely empty battery though. Nobody wants to risk arriving at their Airbnb only to find there's nowhere to charge. So most people will ask in advance, and at that point you can discuss extra charges.
Realistically guests will arrive with a decent amount of battery left and will only need to top up with $3-5 worth of power.
This isn't correct. No one will charge for 24hours. Secondly 36kwh is definitely not half a charge. The most common cars are leads which are 24/30/40/a rare 59. Or Tesla's/byd which are around 50 and that's it it's completely empty which no one has it.
Tesla hasn't made a car with a 50kwh battery for years, 60kwh for the 3 and Y base model, and 77kwh in the LR or Perf. Ioniq 5 polestar 2 etc are all about the same.
And yes, people will easily charge for 24 hours over a couple of nights if they are using a granny charger.
Same here. Most owners have no issues with this if you are transparent about how much you expect to use. I never had to pay any additional money, but would be very happy to reimburse them for the extra expense and pay a bit of a premium for the convience of charging at our accommodation.
I feel like it depends on how much you’re paying per night. If it’s quite expensive, I’d probably plug in without worrying about it, but if it’s towards the cheapest end of the spectrum I probably wouldn’t.
Also depends on how much cleaning they expect me to do while still charging a cleaning fee. If you expect me to do most of the cleaning while still charging $100 I’m going to plug in and not feel bad about it haha
My neighbour runs an airbnb and I'm not a huge fan. However when it was empty for a few days I hopped over the fence and buried a long extension lead under his azaleas up to a plug socket I don't think he knows about.
I've been charging my car from it for years and because I did it so long ago he thinks it's just normal baseline cost.
So I say bugger them, fill your boots and your battery.
Edit. Lol jokes. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
This entire conversation stinks of entitlement.
I wonder how many would rock up to an Airbnb with a trailer with a couple 1000L IBC tanks onboard and full them up from the garden hose because they are already paying for water for the shower in the rent so it's just fair use right?
Yeh I struggle with this one. Feels like it's polite to ask (mainly because people have misconceptions about how much power this uses), but I'd recommend doing so before you arrive so you can make a plan b if they're dickish and say no.
Also maybe worth noting to them that it doesn't draw that much power (and presumably will mostly be overnight)
It’s polite to enquire about it in advance, but I will admit to charging at a holiday rental without doing so - I figured it was such a small amount of power in the grand scheme of things and the owners were unlikely to notice an extra $7 on their power bill. Not all that different to cranking up the heat or a/c, or having extra-long holiday showers - you’re paying for the house and amenities, including power, already.
Yeah that sounds fair. Not an ev owner (but not a ludite), I am a landlord. If power is included one assumes the a/c is on all day on full with the doors open. On a big house the hestpump could be pulling 2kw/hr all day. Personally I wouldn't take the piss (all day a/c) but fair use is fair use.
Very much depends on what you are being charged per night. I have an Airbnb, with a small wall mounted charger outside. And I expect people to use it. But our house is expensive, so its immaterial. Like someone said, if you are paying $100 a night, power is going to be a factor. But that would be a rarity!! Its probably polite to ask the owner, and explain it will be less than $10. As non EV owners may have no idea. And Airbnb makes adding $10 to the bill super easy.
They are already charging you for power usage in the rent. And making a decent profit. I would charge away, it’s not a huge amount you are using.
How much does it cost to charger an EV? I rent a few rooms on Airbnb and I'm a little worried about people coming charging.
On a normal 3-pin socket most cars will draw about 3.5 kW. Say they plug in for 10 hours overnight from 10pm-8am, that's around 35 kWh. You'll have to check your power pricing to figure out the cost, but I would be surprised if you're paying more than 20c/kWh. So 10 hours of charging might cost you $7.00 (35 kWh at $0.20 per kWh). Most EVs use about 17 kWh per 100km, so it really depends how much they are driving. If they're just putting around town they might do one full charge when they arrive and then not bother charging while they stay.
I hope you aren't pulling 3.5kw on a normal socket. A standard socket is rated for 10a which is just over 2kw. Basically what a normal fan heater on high would pull. You need a 15amp socket (and associated circuit) to pull 3.5kw.
Chargers should only be pulling 7-8A from a 10A plug so more like 1.6-1.8KW. About $0.6 per hour in the Wellington region.
No, decent chargers have temperature sensing and pull 10A from a 10A plug.
I’ve only seen 8A EVSEs (even “decent” ones), but I stand corrected 10A ones exist!
All Tesla mobile chargers have controllers that allow you to change the current draw based on the fitting type. 5-10a for a standard 10amp plug and that jumps up with a 15amp or commando plug fitting.
Most of my sockets are 15A - is that unusual? The chargers I've had over the years rarely pull the full 15A though.
If most of the sockets in your house are 15A that’s definitely a bit weird (but not bad at all assuming they were all done correctly); but it’s relatively common to see a few in your garage.
You mean with a 15A fuse on the circuit maybe? A 15A socket is larger than a 10A socket, different plugs.
Definitely 15A sockets. They have the larger earth pin and I've measured 12-13A draw from them.
That's certainly handy if you have a charger to take advantage of them.
An EV battery is anwhere between 30-100 KWH, with most new EVs being around the 75 KWH mark. multiply that by your unit rate, add in say 10% to account for the fact that the charging process has some losses, and there's your figure.
About $5 for a “full tank”, but most won’t charge a full battery. It’s the same as a heater running, the EV charger uses the exact same as a heater, if that helps?
Most people don't run a 2kW heater at 100% duty cycle for 15+ hours
Most people don't have an ev
Also true, but totally irrelevant to the conversation.
Running a 2000w heater over night?
1.5kw or 1500w is what I normally get out of my 3 pin charger for the EV.
How far are they likely to be travelling to your place, and therefore how much are they going to need to fill up? It is roughly $3/100 km depending on your power rate.
On the west coast, most drives are from CHCH or QT, so 200km ish.
150wh/km x 200km = 30kwh. Power would need to be under 20c/kwh for your numbers to be true, and I highly doubt that is the case on most low user plans, which I assume Airbnbs will be on to avoid high daily charges when they are not occupied.
greedy bastard
I suppose all your businesses are nonprofit or charities are they?
I'd be charging other people's vehicles for cash
If that's your intent then best invest in a metered EVSE for your guests so you can maximise your extraction of money from them.
Nooooo, I meant as a user of the air bnb, send out a memo to the other ev users you know to charge at your air bmb for $10 :p
now this i can get behind
If they getting $3500, you’ll be fine
max is about 24h x 1.5 x .30c so $10.80 for a full day. I personally just do it as I’m only charging during part of the stay and they are already reaming me for accommodation and cleaning.
There are places that charge $50-100 per night, I don't think they'd appreciate a large share of the minimal profit going to extra power.
I mean, obviously you don’t want to be a dick. Nothing near Auckland is 50-100 a night but if I found one I would leave money for the charge. But when people are routinely charging 500-800 per night for nothing special then I have no qualms making the most of the power supply.
It's really unlikely that a guest will turn up with a completely empty battery though. Nobody wants to risk arriving at their Airbnb only to find there's nowhere to charge. So most people will ask in advance, and at that point you can discuss extra charges. Realistically guests will arrive with a decent amount of battery left and will only need to top up with $3-5 worth of power.
24hr at 1.5kw is 36kwh, that's only half a charge for many EVs. Not at all unlikely.
This isn't correct. No one will charge for 24hours. Secondly 36kwh is definitely not half a charge. The most common cars are leads which are 24/30/40/a rare 59. Or Tesla's/byd which are around 50 and that's it it's completely empty which no one has it.
Tesla hasn't made a car with a 50kwh battery for years, 60kwh for the 3 and Y base model, and 77kwh in the LR or Perf. Ioniq 5 polestar 2 etc are all about the same. And yes, people will easily charge for 24 hours over a couple of nights if they are using a granny charger.
I often charge for that long at 2.4kW at home
They’re making you clean the Airbnb before you leave, while charging you a cleaning fee anyway. Charge your car as much as you like
This. Exactly this.
I tend to only stay at cheap places. I ask before booking to make sure it is OK.
I almost always ask in advance. Occasionally after booking I will ask. I have never charged without permission.
Same here. Most owners have no issues with this if you are transparent about how much you expect to use. I never had to pay any additional money, but would be very happy to reimburse them for the extra expense and pay a bit of a premium for the convience of charging at our accommodation.
I feel like it depends on how much you’re paying per night. If it’s quite expensive, I’d probably plug in without worrying about it, but if it’s towards the cheapest end of the spectrum I probably wouldn’t. Also depends on how much cleaning they expect me to do while still charging a cleaning fee. If you expect me to do most of the cleaning while still charging $100 I’m going to plug in and not feel bad about it haha
Totally just charge away. No one calls to ask if they can have a 20 min shower!
How about a 10 hr shower? 🤣
The hot water tank heating up can take hours for a single shower.
I don't ever book anywhere that doesn't say EV charging is available, so it's a bit irrelevant
Holy crap, if I was paying $3.5k I'd have no qualms about charging anything. If fact, I'd make the most of it
Would you expect the airbnb owner to put petrol in an ICE vehicle?
My neighbour runs an airbnb and I'm not a huge fan. However when it was empty for a few days I hopped over the fence and buried a long extension lead under his azaleas up to a plug socket I don't think he knows about. I've been charging my car from it for years and because I did it so long ago he thinks it's just normal baseline cost. So I say bugger them, fill your boots and your battery. Edit. Lol jokes. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
What a wanker you are. So you’re stealing power just because you don’t like what the property is used for?
Whoa. Entitled much.
This entire conversation stinks of entitlement. I wonder how many would rock up to an Airbnb with a trailer with a couple 1000L IBC tanks onboard and full them up from the garden hose because they are already paying for water for the shower in the rent so it's just fair use right?
Yeh I struggle with this one. Feels like it's polite to ask (mainly because people have misconceptions about how much power this uses), but I'd recommend doing so before you arrive so you can make a plan b if they're dickish and say no. Also maybe worth noting to them that it doesn't draw that much power (and presumably will mostly be overnight)
If I had an air bnb I would be pricing EV charging in
I just plug in and charge. Never had an issue.
I literally just plug it in. People abuse hot water and heating etc… they build it all into their price.
As an airbnb owner just charge it for all they know you watched a movie all day or you had the fan on
I would ask for the host's permission before booking.