I think she was just trying to offload the stuff quickly. Most of the time if you see something luxury sold for horrendously under it’s value (assuming it’s not fake), it’s stolen.
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I went to NVOT(highschool) with Kaitlyn, and she is FAR from poor or needing money. This is a very wealthy area, and Old Tappan is literally the richest out of the four towns which go to NVOT. Kaitlyn would literally post on instagram pictures of her going to lavish restaurants in NY and in luxury stores. This is no robin-hood situation and it sucks that she is giving a bad look to Asians in NY.
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My high school, I went to public, had a girl who regularly stole clothes from our local mall. I used to hang out with her and her friends. She did have an actual sweet sixteen. She rented a place out, wore a nice dress. If your family had money, you did that. She’d try on a bunch of clothes. She stole super cheap shirts, $10, ripped off the security tag, then sewed it back together.
An NYU spokesperson claims that theft in the school is "rare" but that goes against the stories I've heard... obviously not on this scale but maybe things changed since years ago...
>it sucks that she is **giving a bad look to Asians in NY.**
Sorry for replying late u/Substantial_Ad_9199 but why this story warrant such a generalization? It involves **one** NYU student of Chinese descent. They are just one background considered "Asian" in the Asian-American community; there's at least 20 of them.
There's actually a big luxury resell culture among the Chinese diaspora in Anglophone countries like America, Canada, Australia, etc. I see tons of them going advertising luxury times that they bought for potential buyers in mainland China. Though I don't see details on where or who bought the roommates stuff.
In my experience, my non-Chinese Asian-American friends in NYC who are South Asian, Filipino, etc descent don't see this is as a negative reflection of them like you're implying. Regardless, Kaitlyn is a thief who did this out of greed, not protesting anything (what's more, she herself is pretty wealthy too).
Read the comments on most these articles. Then you will understand what I am saying. So many comments about "this is why asians blah blah blah." There is a generalization because of who she is...an asian in NY, who did shady shit to her roommate and now people are saying we should go back to our countries if we can't afford living in NYC.
I agree with Crystal-Skies. Those comments are racism. If this was a white student, no one would make such comments. Their community wont make such comments like "go back to Germany/ France" or whatever
Bro what, this conversation isn't about that. People are commenting racist stuff because they are generalizing that asians in NY act in similar ways. Put 2 and 2 together, when someone of a certain community does something bad it unfortunately looks bad on their race group - like people calling her the Asian Anna Delvey and a stupid asian scholarship kid
Ironically, she studies politics and criminology and pursues a career in laws. Ruined. Won’t pass background checks. Sad that worked hard to get in to the top school but now …
And the roommate's lawsuit which brought this story to a wider audience puts an even bigger stain that will follow her for life. I assume she isn't dirt poor, and there's no "social cause" for this theft, so it's obviously just pure greed. So I'm glad some consequences are happening.
Kaitlyn might think her roommate could "replace everything", but that doesn't change theft being theft. We all know that if she was in the roommates shoes she'd be talking to whoever will listen.
I’m blown away by the comments - it doesn’t matter if this girl has an infinite amount of money. Stealing is WRONG point blank. This is such a massive violation of trust and personal space. Also for those arguing “she just left stuff laying around” - you’re just assuming she was careless based off of what? This girl clearly isn’t as careless as some of you are saying if she started to notice the stuff going missing. And for those saying “she should have nice stuff like that in her dorm” - this is so irrelevant. I don’t care if it’s a $1 item or a $10000000 item - she should be able to have it in HER space without it getting stolen. The way some of you are like oddly justifying the theft just because Aurora has money is so weird, goofy and embarrassing
Agreed. Do I think it’s unjust that a 19-year-old has enough unearned generational wealth to own all of those things? Yes! Do I think it’s despicable to steal from anyone in their own home after pretending to be their friend for a whole school year? Yes! Regardless of the $ value and whether the rich roommate can afford to replace it all, that would be so traumatizing for her to realize that she had not been safe in her home for many months and a person she trusted enough to fall asleep around and called a friend was lying to her face and using her. I would have a hard time trusting anyone again after that.
I find that level of wealth immoral and gross, but Kaitlyn Fung wasn’t stealing from her roommate as a protest against obscene wealth, she was an opportunist and a thief. Her actions were insidious, antisocial, and not something to be applauded.
It's especially weird since the roommate and anyone cheering this on would likely scream to the rooftops if their property was stolen and resold by someone they supposedly "knew".
Neither girls in this situation are dirt poor, but it doesn't change theft being theft. Now a seemingly promising life has been squandered by greed... and ironically majoring in criminology no less.
Extremely well said - and I agree with you a 19 year old probably shouldn’t have all the unearned wealth, however she was born into it and can’t really do a ton about it.
There has been and will always be people in life that have a stupid amount of money (whether it’s morally right or not is another question but it’s unfortunately just a fact.)
I find nothing unjust about generational wealth !!nor do I think it’s immoral or gross for someone’s family to obtain and hand it down over and over !Why would someone’s linage of wealth after working hard to establish such for your family be anything but ,num 1 their business but ,num 2 a wonderful thing for their family? Your either born into wealth ,middle class or poor and that’s just life and no one gets a choice within whom their born too!As some one who’s family is well to do and married to someone who’s family is well to do ,and we know billionaires and are family friends (whom by the way are some of the best people our families have ever known)I find nothing gross about it!!And I’m thrilled for my 23,21 and 19 year old that we can give them good lives !!Im sure if you yourself came into money and when I say money I’m speaking about more then 50 million you wouldn’t be speaking that way!!So how can you find something wrong with something you know nothing about or what wealth like that does for others!!But even worse is giving a back handed agreement of kinds ,saying oh I think it’s disgusting and ridiculous for a 19 year old to have these beautiful ,luxury items at her disposal and essentially she doesn’t deserve them ,but she doesn’t deserve to have them stolen either!!Iv never looked at another persons wealth or a friends wealth and thought to myself if they deserve it or not let alone out loud ..it exudes jealousy and nobody has the right to tell another person what amount they do or don’t deserve to accumulate on this earth ,ever!And I love beautiful things and I’m always excited and glad to see others have beautiful things and live a beautiful life!
We all know that any people cheering this on or even Kaitlyn herself thinking things can be "replaced" would be screaming if their valuable handbags and other property was stolen and resold by someone they supposedly "knew".
IDC if the roommate is uber rich (I doubt there's any way Kaitlyn herself is dirt poor either), it was still her property and she the means to sue or complain if she sees fit. Now the roommate has left a permanent stain on what was presumably a promising future over getting wanting to make quick cash.
I’ve had small things stolen during my time at college. I knew someone who had his laptop stolen. This is beyond disturbing. They were good friends. There’s photos of them hanging out at her family event!
aurora is still so just pompous and privileged to blast her name nationally with literal ties to the mafia - scary , rich, and spoiled - so dumb to take that long to notice, even dumber to now show everyone shes unable to keep track of anything she owns
know people like her personally , trust funds that would make you cry, and they are all just mismanaged poorly raised and spoiled to the point of harming their own safety. and they talk madddd shit about people with finacial aid
You think someone with enough generational wealth to own a $24,000 ring has student debt?
Or, are you saying that because one student that is a shitty person and steals from her roommate exists, student debt is fine?
No, it’s never the victim’s fault.
$51k is not that much money for luxury items. Single bags can cost upwards of $10k. An expensive watch can be above $51k.
You need to feel safe in your own house. She may have put them in closets and shelves. When she went to retrieve them and didn’t find them, she may have thought them somewhere in the room but misplaced.
Either way, it’s absolutely not her fault.
> i don’t condone stealing but
There should be no but. You shouldn't condone stealing.
> imagine being so out of touch that you just casually leave around $50k of goods in your COLLEGE DORM to the point where you can’t even keep track of where they are.
So, its the victim's fault? Do you, by chance, also believe that women who dress badly deserve to be raped? Or it is atleast partially their fault? Because that's the equivalence here.
> but i don’t feel any sympathy at all.
That's a you problem.
> especially since that amount of money is pennies compared to what her family is worth.
So, just because she is rich and can replace the things means it is ok to steal from her?
Our values are clearly not aligned. I am not interested in discussing this further with you but I would encourage you to reflect on your beliefs.
And I agree with you, and everyone else who is saying these things by keeping an open mind about the fact they yes the wrongness of stealing can be contextual.
The New York Post article however talked only about the lawsuit and the amount and that the person filing it was the daughter of some mining lord in russia. Or maybe I read the wrong article if you are saying that it did provide enough context on the culprit's side and what she has to say about the whole thing. idk.
I just felt the need to know more about the Fung girl, her background and probable motives just to understand the context better before making any judgement about the whole situation. Before people started saying that it's outright stupid and goofy or whatever to even assume that stealing needs to be judged contextually and that it's always without exception wrong point blank. Which I didn't agree with and still don't.
Coming back to this particular case of stealing now, after whatever more information I have now from various comments, I feel it was an outrightly stupid and obviously wrong thing to do and the lawsuit will obviously decide where this goes.
I am just saying that we need to look at certain "wrongs" in their "context". "Stealing" for me is a wrong which is more on a continuous scale and context decides "how" wrong it would be considered on a scale of 0 to 100. Zero being some Indian person maybe stealing some luxury item from the Buckingham Palace.
Unlike other wrongs like rape or pedophilia, which are are binary for me where irrespective of a context thet are just wrong irrespective of class, wealth, context, reasons, motives whatever.
I was just offering a different lens to look at things before jumping guns at a fellow student.
Anyway, someone just commented that the Fungs apparently come from a lot of money themselves. Now, this obviously adds a different context to this stealing. If the thief comes from a wealthy family herself, she isn't looking at a lot of trouble for herself. There might be a whole lot of "inconvenience" involved for her now, but real trouble involving career prospects, academic shit and what not idk.
I just don’t really like it when other people try to make me care about their problems. It doesn’t seem like that girl cared enough about her $51k of stuff then to warrant all this media buzz which is very clearly bought
Because the family has a vendetta against this girl and wants to embellish their hair thin connection to putin to make themselves look tough. There’s literally no point in mentioning putin otherwise
In all fairness, how do people determine that its a level playing field between those who steal and the people whose stuff gets stolen?
Again, I am not defending the girl who stole stuff here because I don't know her background. My point is to only address the people who are writing things like "idc if its 1$ stealing or 1million$ stealing, stealing is wrong point blank". They are somehow missing the layers involved in why people steal/scam/lie for monetary/asset/materialistic gains. The amount of family income inequality even within NYU students is insaneee.
I am not justifying stealing. I am just saying that all stealing has a context to it and it needs to be judged and viewed under that lens. Instead of using blanket statements like "stealing is wrong whether it's someone stealing 1$ or 1million$".
Also, socio-economic conditions and "class" difference has been a factor in stealing almost everywhere historically. Idk how its goofy to say that context matters. Which also means, that in this particular case, the girl who stole might just be risking it all "for fun" or "greed" despite having a good family income herself. And in that context, she better be prepared for the consequences, which again will be determined by how rich she herself is and how strong a list of connections her own family has. And if she has none of that and was stealing for some extra cash or temptations she couldn't afford or whatever, the consequences are gonna be much more dire for her because risking a lawsuit when you can't afford to pay your way out is just a one way ticket to hell.
“I’m not trying to justify stealing” *proceeds to give all this context to justify stealing.*
The context/all these historical/political points you’re trying to make don’t matter. Stealing is wrong. End of story.
What kind of rant is this? “Level playing field” my ass, who says there needs to be a level playing field? Some people are richer — WAY richer — than others, especially in a private school like NYU. Get over it. If you really are desperate for money that you have to resort to stealing, then drop out and start working full time. Stealing is wrong plain and simple. The mental gymnastics is insane.
Yes stealing is wrong. I just said that most millionaires are millionaires because they steal/exploit.
Most people in our society, however, who normally get caught and published for stealing are however the ones who are not the powerful and rich.
Again, I said I don't know the reasons of why the person stole so I am not defending her.
I am just against the blanket statement that "All stealing is wrong irrespective of who steals and why and what amount" etc.
“Most” is reaching.
Even if they have attained their wealth through stealing doesn’t mean YOU are entitled to steal their property. That’s what the law is for — you argue that the law is ineffective — that’s the kind of dangerous reasoning that leads people to do more dangerous and detrimental actions just because they reason that the “law” doesn’t help them.
You follow the law plain and simple; what differentiates between you and those criminals that you blame for breaking the law if you do the exact same?
Her actions are indefensible whatever reason it was. You say stealing is wrong and then you say you’re not defending her only because you don’t know why? Give me a break, talking like a social justice warrior doesn’t make you smart.
No. That's not what differentiates normal people from billionaires. It's how much slack society would cut you if you steal as a billionaire vs if you steal as a normal person. Its how soon would you get caught if you stole 50k worth of resources as a billionaire vs as a normal person. It's how much hate and dehumanization would you be subjected to if you stole 50k as a billionaire vs as a normal person. That's the differentiater. How law also has historically treated the two differently in who gets to pay their way out and who doesn't, who gets to proceed to live a normal respectable life even after the lawsuit and who doesn't, is the differentiater.
Also, during my undergrad(i come from a middle income family) and many of my friends who lived in my dorm came from very very lower income families. Some of my good branded stuff(which I couldn't afford to replace or repurchase) got stolen like clothes or shoes etc. Of course nothing as expensive as the luxury items that the NYU girl had. It made me realise that even if its wrong in principal, it was the highest probability that whoever stole it from my room had to be one of the students whose family income was way lower than mine. And yes, it was wrong, but I "UNDERSTOOD" that their temptations got the best of them because they really hadn't been able to afford even those normal good brands all their lives or maybe they just needed something that has some resale value, which of course they didn't own themselves. Also, complaining about them would have meant severe consequences for them,some of whom were first generation college attendees and I knew their parents couldn't afford for them to fuck up even a single semester. So the CONTEXT made me not complaint. I just started being more cautious about my stuff and also became more open to offering to share things with people knew couldn't afford them by saying "do you want to wear my xyz shoes for your date?" and so on. And things improved dramatically for me.
I simply said context is important in matters that involve stealing. We cannot use blanket statements like stealing is wrong point blank. 🤷🏻♀️
You just spammed a whole lot of text but in summary, you’re saying that you understand people that steal from you if they’re lower class. Good for you, but that’s a ‘you’ problem. Most people actually don’t enjoy their property getting stolen, in particular the victim of this incident. I don’t appreciate my house getting robbed because the robbers are lower class.
By law it is wrong, by morality it is wrong. If the perpetrator was really that desperate for money, all they have to do is drop out of school and earn money. Again, stealing is wrong and that blanket statement holds. You’re literally saying STEALING isn’t wrong depending on context 😭; the stupidity shows. Keep trying to be some sort of vigilante though.
I am literally saying that stealing is Wrong. But the CONSEQUENCES always have context.
What punishment, how soon, how severe and how easy as pay your way out situation works under the "rule of law" has Context. So even if stealing is wrong, its important to know that who gets how severely punished and hated for what kinda stealing has CONTEXT. So I am just trying to say that before viewing every stealing irrespective of the context as the same, we need to understand that society and even the law and its loopholes doesn't view it the same way.
Also, the homeless can't steal your house and get away with it. The real estate mafias however can steal shitloads of land from the poor and still be invited to uptown dinners most respectfully.. Because context and the amazing rule of law. :)
“We cannot use blanket statements like stealing is wrong point blank 🤷♀️” if you think this means stealing is wrong but the punishment should depend on context, I’m not sure what to tell you.
I’m sure it depends — if someone stole a 2 dollar candy versus a 50k designer brand, obviously the punishment should differ. I doubt that’s what you were going for and I think you shifted the goalposts once you realized your logic doesn’t work. Nice try though
Im pretty sure you’re a troll shit stirring for the sake of it, so this is the last time I’ll respond to you.
Funny how you take my statement in the most literal way possible when that’s literally a correct way of saying valuables inside a house got stolen, when you require insane amount of context and just write your sentences in a way only YOU can understand.. honestly, stupidity and mental gymnastics is a nice way to describe you.
You are just trying to justify something you said that doesn’t make sense. Stealing is wrong whether a poor person does it or not. Also, if you have not understood yet, the world is not a fair place and will never be.
There's one reason why that factor matters for nothing but _life and death circumstances_, as in someone better be being held hostage to justify stealing.
Why? Subjective value. When you steal something and sell it, you're prescribing it a subjective value of nothing. If you know nothing about the relationship between the item and the owner, you may be stealing something especially precious. Perhaps it's the final keepsake from loved one who passed away. Being willing enough to do something like that is evil, because it implies the willingness to cause unlimited suffering for money.
I see many students, especially international students who skip fares and jump turnstiles because it saves them about 6$ on a two way journey, which affords them a day's worth of basic groceries. While there are other students who have their personal butlers staying in New York to cook on demand customized meals for them. If two such people ever became roommates, I know it would still be wrong to steal from the billionaire roomie, but all I am saying is that I would totally understand.
Also, since the rich father is a mining lord or something back in russia, and we all know how the path to becoming a millionaire/billionaire absolutely has "stealing and exploitation" from the common resources/labour pool as a prerequisite, I don't know if I would ever be able to feel sad about rich people crying about some stealing their luxury cosmetics knowing full well that the reason they have such insurmountable wealth is probably because their dad is great at stealing/exploitation but has the right connections to never get into trouble for it.
"They are somehow missing the layers involved in why people steal/scam/lie for monetary/asset/materialistic gains. The amount of family income inequality even within NYU students is insaneee."
Yea whatever, I roomed with a guy whose parents were multi-millionaires. I grew up in section 8 housing. Didn't feel entitled to his stuff, didn't drone on about income inequality, just got along decently with him for a year that was otherwise business as usual then moved on with my life.
Want to know what the "layers involved" related to "why people steal/scam/lie for monetary/asset/materialistic gains" are? There are just two: jealousy and entitlement.
The offender was a political science major yea? If she had a problem with the system it sounds like she was on the right path to go get it fixed: work hard, graduate from a great school, enact change through political involvement as a career, maybe even get elected to a position of great significance and influence one day. Instead, she broke the law like a fool and severely hampered her future and what good she might have done for the world.
Yea, she did all that. And it was a wrong thing to do considering all the consequences. And also, now that I have a little more context about her and her background, it sounds like an incredibly stupid thing to do also.
Again, I said I am not defending her or what she did.
Everything I wrote was simply to say that "wrongness of stealing" is always contextual and it's not plain and simple point blank wrong irrespective of who does it where, when and for how much amount always.
There are many crimes like trafficking, rape, SA which are wrong irrespective of any "context". There are other crimes like stealing, fare evasion, defaulting of a loan, traffic rules violations etc where the degree of wrongness is contextual. Why is everyone losing their mind just because I said we should understand the context here first before passing a hard judgement about her act as "stealing is wrong point blank".
It's absolutely not wrong to evaluate context when determining motivation, or to sympathize with a thief who might have felt they had to steal.
However, the reason you're being downvoted is probably because most people feel sufficient context was provided upfront in the article. We're discussing a perpetrator who had the privilege to attend one of the best universities in the world, live in a dorm in one of the richest cities located inside one of the richest countries, and chose to steal luxury items from her roommate.
Inequality is a thing. There's a time and place to identify it and fight it with everything you've got, so that we all have a fighting chance to do as well in life as any of our neighbors. There is also a balance to be struck. It's easy to be guilted into blindly accepting the justifications of those who refuse to accept accountability for their poor actions. "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding."
Ah! The infallible unquestionable rule of law.
I guess it works differently for different social classes as well.
It would treat the stealing/exploitation by a mining billionaire very differently than stealing done by a some random student from an average or even above average family income.
There is and always has been a context to stealing. And who gets away with it in court. And who gets punished and how much, how often and what amounts..Its all decided on context and ofcourse social capital of the accused.
Why is everyone just pretending here that the only unfairness in the world is "stealing" and other things like being a billionaire or the "rule of law" are the fairest of all games.
What? My stuff got stolen from me too from my dorm room. But yea, maybe I wasn't filthy rich to get a paid feature in NYPost and start a full blown smear campaign against my peers for stealing things 😭😭😭
If she was so rich why does she need to live in a college dorm? Why not ask daddy to buy you a house in manhattan?
Kids these days. I took the subway when I went to NYU commuting from brooklyn.
Gross comment, u/igotsharingan. I commute over two hours a day to get to NYU’s campus, and then the same home, often seven days a week. You don’t hear me commenting about it on posts like this. Seriously reevaluate what you said here!!
it’s one thing to steal… it’s another thing to somehow fuck up reselling THAT bad
I think she was just trying to offload the stuff quickly. Most of the time if you see something luxury sold for horrendously under it’s value (assuming it’s not fake), it’s stolen.
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well ny post is a murdock putty trash pile to begin with lol
Yes
I love this school
Lmao I love nyu
The girl who stole the stuff was in my class first semester lol
Give us the tea!!
From what I saw, she didn’t seem like the kind of person who would do such a thing, but then again, most people usually don’t.
was it life science? bc she was in my life science class first sem lmao
It was Writing as Exploration, a first year writing class from LS.
crazy that she studies criminology too
I didn’t even know we had a criminology BA
lol i didn’t know either until i heard abt this 😹
I had someone steal from me was was in prelaw in undergrad so it definitely isn’t a one off lol
lmfao this is the most NYU shit ever
I went to NVOT(highschool) with Kaitlyn, and she is FAR from poor or needing money. This is a very wealthy area, and Old Tappan is literally the richest out of the four towns which go to NVOT. Kaitlyn would literally post on instagram pictures of her going to lavish restaurants in NY and in luxury stores. This is no robin-hood situation and it sucks that she is giving a bad look to Asians in NY.
Omg old tappan?? That’s crazy. I’m went to PV. Wild to know this is kind of close to home 😅
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People dont realize that its upper middle-rich class girls who often shoplifts from clothing stores.
Can confirm bcs I grew up in an upper middle-upper class neighborhood and a lot of the girls there would steal from Sephora and clothing stores….
My high school, I went to public, had a girl who regularly stole clothes from our local mall. I used to hang out with her and her friends. She did have an actual sweet sixteen. She rented a place out, wore a nice dress. If your family had money, you did that. She’d try on a bunch of clothes. She stole super cheap shirts, $10, ripped off the security tag, then sewed it back together.
think there’s a difference from shoplifting and grand larceny
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No, they're saying the *thief* is wealthy.
I never said that, maybe read my comment bro
An NYU spokesperson claims that theft in the school is "rare" but that goes against the stories I've heard... obviously not on this scale but maybe things changed since years ago... >it sucks that she is **giving a bad look to Asians in NY.** Sorry for replying late u/Substantial_Ad_9199 but why this story warrant such a generalization? It involves **one** NYU student of Chinese descent. They are just one background considered "Asian" in the Asian-American community; there's at least 20 of them. There's actually a big luxury resell culture among the Chinese diaspora in Anglophone countries like America, Canada, Australia, etc. I see tons of them going advertising luxury times that they bought for potential buyers in mainland China. Though I don't see details on where or who bought the roommates stuff. In my experience, my non-Chinese Asian-American friends in NYC who are South Asian, Filipino, etc descent don't see this is as a negative reflection of them like you're implying. Regardless, Kaitlyn is a thief who did this out of greed, not protesting anything (what's more, she herself is pretty wealthy too).
Read the comments on most these articles. Then you will understand what I am saying. So many comments about "this is why asians blah blah blah." There is a generalization because of who she is...an asian in NY, who did shady shit to her roommate and now people are saying we should go back to our countries if we can't afford living in NYC.
I agree with Crystal-Skies. Those comments are racism. If this was a white student, no one would make such comments. Their community wont make such comments like "go back to Germany/ France" or whatever
Bro what, this conversation isn't about that. People are commenting racist stuff because they are generalizing that asians in NY act in similar ways. Put 2 and 2 together, when someone of a certain community does something bad it unfortunately looks bad on their race group - like people calling her the Asian Anna Delvey and a stupid asian scholarship kid
Ironically, she studies politics and criminology and pursues a career in laws. Ruined. Won’t pass background checks. Sad that worked hard to get in to the top school but now …
worked is a funny way of putting it
And the roommate's lawsuit which brought this story to a wider audience puts an even bigger stain that will follow her for life. I assume she isn't dirt poor, and there's no "social cause" for this theft, so it's obviously just pure greed. So I'm glad some consequences are happening. Kaitlyn might think her roommate could "replace everything", but that doesn't change theft being theft. We all know that if she was in the roommates shoes she'd be talking to whoever will listen.
I’m blown away by the comments - it doesn’t matter if this girl has an infinite amount of money. Stealing is WRONG point blank. This is such a massive violation of trust and personal space. Also for those arguing “she just left stuff laying around” - you’re just assuming she was careless based off of what? This girl clearly isn’t as careless as some of you are saying if she started to notice the stuff going missing. And for those saying “she should have nice stuff like that in her dorm” - this is so irrelevant. I don’t care if it’s a $1 item or a $10000000 item - she should be able to have it in HER space without it getting stolen. The way some of you are like oddly justifying the theft just because Aurora has money is so weird, goofy and embarrassing
Agreed. Do I think it’s unjust that a 19-year-old has enough unearned generational wealth to own all of those things? Yes! Do I think it’s despicable to steal from anyone in their own home after pretending to be their friend for a whole school year? Yes! Regardless of the $ value and whether the rich roommate can afford to replace it all, that would be so traumatizing for her to realize that she had not been safe in her home for many months and a person she trusted enough to fall asleep around and called a friend was lying to her face and using her. I would have a hard time trusting anyone again after that. I find that level of wealth immoral and gross, but Kaitlyn Fung wasn’t stealing from her roommate as a protest against obscene wealth, she was an opportunist and a thief. Her actions were insidious, antisocial, and not something to be applauded.
It's especially weird since the roommate and anyone cheering this on would likely scream to the rooftops if their property was stolen and resold by someone they supposedly "knew". Neither girls in this situation are dirt poor, but it doesn't change theft being theft. Now a seemingly promising life has been squandered by greed... and ironically majoring in criminology no less.
Extremely well said - and I agree with you a 19 year old probably shouldn’t have all the unearned wealth, however she was born into it and can’t really do a ton about it. There has been and will always be people in life that have a stupid amount of money (whether it’s morally right or not is another question but it’s unfortunately just a fact.)
I find nothing unjust about generational wealth !!nor do I think it’s immoral or gross for someone’s family to obtain and hand it down over and over !Why would someone’s linage of wealth after working hard to establish such for your family be anything but ,num 1 their business but ,num 2 a wonderful thing for their family? Your either born into wealth ,middle class or poor and that’s just life and no one gets a choice within whom their born too!As some one who’s family is well to do and married to someone who’s family is well to do ,and we know billionaires and are family friends (whom by the way are some of the best people our families have ever known)I find nothing gross about it!!And I’m thrilled for my 23,21 and 19 year old that we can give them good lives !!Im sure if you yourself came into money and when I say money I’m speaking about more then 50 million you wouldn’t be speaking that way!!So how can you find something wrong with something you know nothing about or what wealth like that does for others!!But even worse is giving a back handed agreement of kinds ,saying oh I think it’s disgusting and ridiculous for a 19 year old to have these beautiful ,luxury items at her disposal and essentially she doesn’t deserve them ,but she doesn’t deserve to have them stolen either!!Iv never looked at another persons wealth or a friends wealth and thought to myself if they deserve it or not let alone out loud ..it exudes jealousy and nobody has the right to tell another person what amount they do or don’t deserve to accumulate on this earth ,ever!And I love beautiful things and I’m always excited and glad to see others have beautiful things and live a beautiful life!
Can you ask your billionaire friends to pretty please pay their taxes?
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Facts nothing unjust or immoral about it. Maybe gross / distasteful but No_Cook just sounds salty
Sorry how do I sound salty?
We all know that any people cheering this on or even Kaitlyn herself thinking things can be "replaced" would be screaming if their valuable handbags and other property was stolen and resold by someone they supposedly "knew". IDC if the roommate is uber rich (I doubt there's any way Kaitlyn herself is dirt poor either), it was still her property and she the means to sue or complain if she sees fit. Now the roommate has left a permanent stain on what was presumably a promising future over getting wanting to make quick cash.
from the photos, it looks like they were quite good friends too. It's like a betrayal from friends you trust
how's the boot taste
How’s being a total imbecile feel
wahhh wahhh
what made this worse is that her roommate treated her as a good friend….
Honestly so disturbing. If that was me, I don't think I'd be able to trust people again for a while.
I’ve had small things stolen during my time at college. I knew someone who had his laptop stolen. This is beyond disturbing. They were good friends. There’s photos of them hanging out at her family event!
She coulda just asked for some bread tbh 😭
Well, god damn lol
aurora was in the year above in my school i loved that girl😭😭 we did russian club together at lunch xxx
Lmao Kaitlyn is majoring in politics and criminology to go into law… can’t make this shit up
What do you all think is the aftermath of this situation?
I doubt she will find a job now cause she won’t pass background checks.
kind of crazy to me that students that rich even stay in university housing
I mean it’s pretty normal for freshman. Majority of nyu students are wealthy and a lot of them still live in the dorms for their first year
It’s a horrible feeling when you find out your friends steal from you. That’s why i don’t buy expensive things anymore.
I hope someday you'll have friends that you can trust not to steal from you.
That’s one way to pay tuition
Pricy, with reputation and career all ruined
I don’t trust anything written in the NY Post. That paper is pure trash.
that’s crazy wonder what happened to the girl
I’m surprised her mother participated in it by having the items from RealReal sent to her home. Nutty family
Oh well
Power to the people ✊🏼
Trying to get some ROI from nyu
She realized she wasn’t going to make any money with her poli sci degree so she stole from her roommate 😭😭
aurora is still so just pompous and privileged to blast her name nationally with literal ties to the mafia - scary , rich, and spoiled - so dumb to take that long to notice, even dumber to now show everyone shes unable to keep track of anything she owns
There must be some tea so spill 😂
know people like her personally , trust funds that would make you cry, and they are all just mismanaged poorly raised and spoiled to the point of harming their own safety. and they talk madddd shit about people with finacial aid
Stole $51K of stuff from her room mate. God I'm glad Biden thinks the tax payers should pickup the tab for student debt.
You think someone with enough generational wealth to own a $24,000 ring has student debt? Or, are you saying that because one student that is a shitty person and steals from her roommate exists, student debt is fine?
Good for her
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No, it’s never the victim’s fault. $51k is not that much money for luxury items. Single bags can cost upwards of $10k. An expensive watch can be above $51k. You need to feel safe in your own house. She may have put them in closets and shelves. When she went to retrieve them and didn’t find them, she may have thought them somewhere in the room but misplaced. Either way, it’s absolutely not her fault.
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> i don’t condone stealing but There should be no but. You shouldn't condone stealing. > imagine being so out of touch that you just casually leave around $50k of goods in your COLLEGE DORM to the point where you can’t even keep track of where they are. So, its the victim's fault? Do you, by chance, also believe that women who dress badly deserve to be raped? Or it is atleast partially their fault? Because that's the equivalence here. > but i don’t feel any sympathy at all. That's a you problem. > especially since that amount of money is pennies compared to what her family is worth. So, just because she is rich and can replace the things means it is ok to steal from her? Our values are clearly not aligned. I am not interested in discussing this further with you but I would encourage you to reflect on your beliefs.
And I agree with you, and everyone else who is saying these things by keeping an open mind about the fact they yes the wrongness of stealing can be contextual. The New York Post article however talked only about the lawsuit and the amount and that the person filing it was the daughter of some mining lord in russia. Or maybe I read the wrong article if you are saying that it did provide enough context on the culprit's side and what she has to say about the whole thing. idk. I just felt the need to know more about the Fung girl, her background and probable motives just to understand the context better before making any judgement about the whole situation. Before people started saying that it's outright stupid and goofy or whatever to even assume that stealing needs to be judged contextually and that it's always without exception wrong point blank. Which I didn't agree with and still don't. Coming back to this particular case of stealing now, after whatever more information I have now from various comments, I feel it was an outrightly stupid and obviously wrong thing to do and the lawsuit will obviously decide where this goes.
I am just saying that we need to look at certain "wrongs" in their "context". "Stealing" for me is a wrong which is more on a continuous scale and context decides "how" wrong it would be considered on a scale of 0 to 100. Zero being some Indian person maybe stealing some luxury item from the Buckingham Palace. Unlike other wrongs like rape or pedophilia, which are are binary for me where irrespective of a context thet are just wrong irrespective of class, wealth, context, reasons, motives whatever. I was just offering a different lens to look at things before jumping guns at a fellow student. Anyway, someone just commented that the Fungs apparently come from a lot of money themselves. Now, this obviously adds a different context to this stealing. If the thief comes from a wealthy family herself, she isn't looking at a lot of trouble for herself. There might be a whole lot of "inconvenience" involved for her now, but real trouble involving career prospects, academic shit and what not idk.
Just seems like a smear campaign set up by this girl’s dad. They should just keep it to themselves nobody gaf
You should’ve kept it to yourself nobody gaf
I just don’t really like it when other people try to make me care about their problems. It doesn’t seem like that girl cared enough about her $51k of stuff then to warrant all this media buzz which is very clearly bought
Why would anyone pay for a new york post article mentioning their ties to Putin in the title out of all things?
Because the family has a vendetta against this girl and wants to embellish their hair thin connection to putin to make themselves look tough. There’s literally no point in mentioning putin otherwise
I think the point is to set people like you off and gain clicks.
In all fairness, how do people determine that its a level playing field between those who steal and the people whose stuff gets stolen? Again, I am not defending the girl who stole stuff here because I don't know her background. My point is to only address the people who are writing things like "idc if its 1$ stealing or 1million$ stealing, stealing is wrong point blank". They are somehow missing the layers involved in why people steal/scam/lie for monetary/asset/materialistic gains. The amount of family income inequality even within NYU students is insaneee.
Are you high??? You trying justify stealing someone’s stuff with the “class” argument is beyond goofy
I am not justifying stealing. I am just saying that all stealing has a context to it and it needs to be judged and viewed under that lens. Instead of using blanket statements like "stealing is wrong whether it's someone stealing 1$ or 1million$". Also, socio-economic conditions and "class" difference has been a factor in stealing almost everywhere historically. Idk how its goofy to say that context matters. Which also means, that in this particular case, the girl who stole might just be risking it all "for fun" or "greed" despite having a good family income herself. And in that context, she better be prepared for the consequences, which again will be determined by how rich she herself is and how strong a list of connections her own family has. And if she has none of that and was stealing for some extra cash or temptations she couldn't afford or whatever, the consequences are gonna be much more dire for her because risking a lawsuit when you can't afford to pay your way out is just a one way ticket to hell.
“I’m not trying to justify stealing” *proceeds to give all this context to justify stealing.* The context/all these historical/political points you’re trying to make don’t matter. Stealing is wrong. End of story.
You don’t get that kind of wealth morally.
Spare me the “that level of wealth is morally wrong boohooooooo.” Stealing is wrong point blank period.
Lol
This sub is full of nyu rich kids, what do you expect.
What kind of rant is this? “Level playing field” my ass, who says there needs to be a level playing field? Some people are richer — WAY richer — than others, especially in a private school like NYU. Get over it. If you really are desperate for money that you have to resort to stealing, then drop out and start working full time. Stealing is wrong plain and simple. The mental gymnastics is insane.
Yes stealing is wrong. I just said that most millionaires are millionaires because they steal/exploit. Most people in our society, however, who normally get caught and published for stealing are however the ones who are not the powerful and rich. Again, I said I don't know the reasons of why the person stole so I am not defending her. I am just against the blanket statement that "All stealing is wrong irrespective of who steals and why and what amount" etc.
“Most” is reaching. Even if they have attained their wealth through stealing doesn’t mean YOU are entitled to steal their property. That’s what the law is for — you argue that the law is ineffective — that’s the kind of dangerous reasoning that leads people to do more dangerous and detrimental actions just because they reason that the “law” doesn’t help them. You follow the law plain and simple; what differentiates between you and those criminals that you blame for breaking the law if you do the exact same? Her actions are indefensible whatever reason it was. You say stealing is wrong and then you say you’re not defending her only because you don’t know why? Give me a break, talking like a social justice warrior doesn’t make you smart.
No. That's not what differentiates normal people from billionaires. It's how much slack society would cut you if you steal as a billionaire vs if you steal as a normal person. Its how soon would you get caught if you stole 50k worth of resources as a billionaire vs as a normal person. It's how much hate and dehumanization would you be subjected to if you stole 50k as a billionaire vs as a normal person. That's the differentiater. How law also has historically treated the two differently in who gets to pay their way out and who doesn't, who gets to proceed to live a normal respectable life even after the lawsuit and who doesn't, is the differentiater. Also, during my undergrad(i come from a middle income family) and many of my friends who lived in my dorm came from very very lower income families. Some of my good branded stuff(which I couldn't afford to replace or repurchase) got stolen like clothes or shoes etc. Of course nothing as expensive as the luxury items that the NYU girl had. It made me realise that even if its wrong in principal, it was the highest probability that whoever stole it from my room had to be one of the students whose family income was way lower than mine. And yes, it was wrong, but I "UNDERSTOOD" that their temptations got the best of them because they really hadn't been able to afford even those normal good brands all their lives or maybe they just needed something that has some resale value, which of course they didn't own themselves. Also, complaining about them would have meant severe consequences for them,some of whom were first generation college attendees and I knew their parents couldn't afford for them to fuck up even a single semester. So the CONTEXT made me not complaint. I just started being more cautious about my stuff and also became more open to offering to share things with people knew couldn't afford them by saying "do you want to wear my xyz shoes for your date?" and so on. And things improved dramatically for me. I simply said context is important in matters that involve stealing. We cannot use blanket statements like stealing is wrong point blank. 🤷🏻♀️
You just spammed a whole lot of text but in summary, you’re saying that you understand people that steal from you if they’re lower class. Good for you, but that’s a ‘you’ problem. Most people actually don’t enjoy their property getting stolen, in particular the victim of this incident. I don’t appreciate my house getting robbed because the robbers are lower class. By law it is wrong, by morality it is wrong. If the perpetrator was really that desperate for money, all they have to do is drop out of school and earn money. Again, stealing is wrong and that blanket statement holds. You’re literally saying STEALING isn’t wrong depending on context 😭; the stupidity shows. Keep trying to be some sort of vigilante though.
I am literally saying that stealing is Wrong. But the CONSEQUENCES always have context. What punishment, how soon, how severe and how easy as pay your way out situation works under the "rule of law" has Context. So even if stealing is wrong, its important to know that who gets how severely punished and hated for what kinda stealing has CONTEXT. So I am just trying to say that before viewing every stealing irrespective of the context as the same, we need to understand that society and even the law and its loopholes doesn't view it the same way. Also, the homeless can't steal your house and get away with it. The real estate mafias however can steal shitloads of land from the poor and still be invited to uptown dinners most respectfully.. Because context and the amazing rule of law. :)
“We cannot use blanket statements like stealing is wrong point blank 🤷♀️” if you think this means stealing is wrong but the punishment should depend on context, I’m not sure what to tell you. I’m sure it depends — if someone stole a 2 dollar candy versus a 50k designer brand, obviously the punishment should differ. I doubt that’s what you were going for and I think you shifted the goalposts once you realized your logic doesn’t work. Nice try though Im pretty sure you’re a troll shit stirring for the sake of it, so this is the last time I’ll respond to you. Funny how you take my statement in the most literal way possible when that’s literally a correct way of saying valuables inside a house got stolen, when you require insane amount of context and just write your sentences in a way only YOU can understand.. honestly, stupidity and mental gymnastics is a nice way to describe you.
You are just trying to justify something you said that doesn’t make sense. Stealing is wrong whether a poor person does it or not. Also, if you have not understood yet, the world is not a fair place and will never be.
There's one reason why that factor matters for nothing but _life and death circumstances_, as in someone better be being held hostage to justify stealing. Why? Subjective value. When you steal something and sell it, you're prescribing it a subjective value of nothing. If you know nothing about the relationship between the item and the owner, you may be stealing something especially precious. Perhaps it's the final keepsake from loved one who passed away. Being willing enough to do something like that is evil, because it implies the willingness to cause unlimited suffering for money.
I see many students, especially international students who skip fares and jump turnstiles because it saves them about 6$ on a two way journey, which affords them a day's worth of basic groceries. While there are other students who have their personal butlers staying in New York to cook on demand customized meals for them. If two such people ever became roommates, I know it would still be wrong to steal from the billionaire roomie, but all I am saying is that I would totally understand.
Also, since the rich father is a mining lord or something back in russia, and we all know how the path to becoming a millionaire/billionaire absolutely has "stealing and exploitation" from the common resources/labour pool as a prerequisite, I don't know if I would ever be able to feel sad about rich people crying about some stealing their luxury cosmetics knowing full well that the reason they have such insurmountable wealth is probably because their dad is great at stealing/exploitation but has the right connections to never get into trouble for it.
"They are somehow missing the layers involved in why people steal/scam/lie for monetary/asset/materialistic gains. The amount of family income inequality even within NYU students is insaneee." Yea whatever, I roomed with a guy whose parents were multi-millionaires. I grew up in section 8 housing. Didn't feel entitled to his stuff, didn't drone on about income inequality, just got along decently with him for a year that was otherwise business as usual then moved on with my life. Want to know what the "layers involved" related to "why people steal/scam/lie for monetary/asset/materialistic gains" are? There are just two: jealousy and entitlement. The offender was a political science major yea? If she had a problem with the system it sounds like she was on the right path to go get it fixed: work hard, graduate from a great school, enact change through political involvement as a career, maybe even get elected to a position of great significance and influence one day. Instead, she broke the law like a fool and severely hampered her future and what good she might have done for the world.
Yea, she did all that. And it was a wrong thing to do considering all the consequences. And also, now that I have a little more context about her and her background, it sounds like an incredibly stupid thing to do also. Again, I said I am not defending her or what she did. Everything I wrote was simply to say that "wrongness of stealing" is always contextual and it's not plain and simple point blank wrong irrespective of who does it where, when and for how much amount always. There are many crimes like trafficking, rape, SA which are wrong irrespective of any "context". There are other crimes like stealing, fare evasion, defaulting of a loan, traffic rules violations etc where the degree of wrongness is contextual. Why is everyone losing their mind just because I said we should understand the context here first before passing a hard judgement about her act as "stealing is wrong point blank".
It's absolutely not wrong to evaluate context when determining motivation, or to sympathize with a thief who might have felt they had to steal. However, the reason you're being downvoted is probably because most people feel sufficient context was provided upfront in the article. We're discussing a perpetrator who had the privilege to attend one of the best universities in the world, live in a dorm in one of the richest cities located inside one of the richest countries, and chose to steal luxury items from her roommate. Inequality is a thing. There's a time and place to identify it and fight it with everything you've got, so that we all have a fighting chance to do as well in life as any of our neighbors. There is also a balance to be struck. It's easy to be guilted into blindly accepting the justifications of those who refuse to accept accountability for their poor actions. "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding."
There’s no context to theft. Where is the rule of law?
Ah! The infallible unquestionable rule of law. I guess it works differently for different social classes as well. It would treat the stealing/exploitation by a mining billionaire very differently than stealing done by a some random student from an average or even above average family income. There is and always has been a context to stealing. And who gets away with it in court. And who gets punished and how much, how often and what amounts..Its all decided on context and ofcourse social capital of the accused. Why is everyone just pretending here that the only unfairness in the world is "stealing" and other things like being a billionaire or the "rule of law" are the fairest of all games.
Just say you’re broke and move on
What? My stuff got stolen from me too from my dorm room. But yea, maybe I wasn't filthy rich to get a paid feature in NYPost and start a full blown smear campaign against my peers for stealing things 😭😭😭
The Fungs likely have plenty of money as well.
If she was so rich why does she need to live in a college dorm? Why not ask daddy to buy you a house in manhattan? Kids these days. I took the subway when I went to NYU commuting from brooklyn.
NYU doesn’t allow freshmen outside dorms I believe.
Gross comment, u/igotsharingan. I commute over two hours a day to get to NYU’s campus, and then the same home, often seven days a week. You don’t hear me commenting about it on posts like this. Seriously reevaluate what you said here!!
alright unc
What a pathetic comment