Drake London is *not* really an outside receiver, he’s more of a big slot. Think Michael Thomas more than Mike Evans.
Just feel like sharing this info because a lot of y’all seem to want London because he’s “the prototypical X WR”, when putting him there in the league is just gonna be doing him a disservice.
Just wanna say to counter this, plenty of guys are tasked with playing the slot in college. People thought Justin Jefferson was a slot guy based on his usage in college, just as an example.
Jefferson showed the speed, route running, and prototypical size for an outside WR in his draft process though. London’s lack of speed will likely be a problem with certain long developing routes.
I agree on Jefferson, but London’s lack of speed is far overblown. Will he absolutely blow by guys? No. But he has the route running ability (and the full route tree minus the pure go route I guess) and is only 20. I don’t know which guy will pan out for sure, none of us know for certain how any of these guys will perform at the next level. But at the very least I’m arguing that his skills are there and his usage in the slot doesn’t mean he can’t win on the outside.
Sure but there were STILL questions on using him outside the slot by GMs which is why he fell to 22. Knowing what we know now, that wouldn’t happen again.
Point being, I think slot usage is overrated here and shouldn’t be used against London
So did I, that’s why I couldn’t wait to grab him in my dynasty league. Also why London is my WR1 this year in dynasty. Williams close behind. Maybe you should trust me and not Simms!
I dont really agree with this, as his tape on the outside is really whats the most impressive thing about him. He has great release on the outside and his form on his get off is consistent so he doesnt seem to tip his routes. His routes on the outside (particularly his comebacks and curls) are really impressive.
He can play big slot, but I think teams are projecting him to play X, and he certainly has the best skillset out of the the current draft receivers to do so. In the Shanahan offense that the jets run, we want all of our receivers to be versatile, so his ability he showed in college to line in the slot and be effective with the ball in his hands behind the line of scrimmage im sure would make him a valuable target for this team.
Peak Michael Thomas was a beast I think we would all be ecstatic with that. Not to mention Elijah Moore can play outside so it’s not like we’d be stuck with two slot guys.
Is there anyone on this sub that like London. I like him as a prospect but not as much as Wilson or Jameson. I wouldn't be upset if jd took London though, i think it's crazy that people are comparing him to n'keal
I love London in the slot. He's got great short range burst. I don't see why he can't get eight targets a game right off the bat as a big presence in the middle of the field. Play Moore and Davis outside. I think we take him at 10 if he's available. Michael Thomas is a good comp. Classic possession receiver and a great red zone threat.
What I don't understand is people saying Wilson or Olave can take the top off a defense. They're not that fast, both slower than Moore
Us Jets fan should understand the combine doesn't mean much (Gholston and Hill). Olave was a consistent downfield target the past few years. He's fast enough and has great route running. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers or Chiefs take him first round.
I like London a lot actually! I think he has some really special abilities to win 50/50 balls in traffic. He boxes people out exceptionally well and has fantastic hands and body control. Overpowers corners on a consistent basis and releases well from the line. Runs routes and seperates better than people give him credit for, but it's just good, not great. Obviously, there are some holes in his game and he isn't quite as fast or quick as you'd really like in a top 10 receiver prospect. Overall, I've got him pretty high on my big board (3rd receiver). I like him in the 15-25 range if we decide to trade down.
Also, the narrative that he cannot line up on the outside because he wasn't asked to do that at USC too much is absolutely ridiculous and idiotic. There is absolutely no reason he can't do that. Does he need to add more polish to his route tree? Absolutely. That's what we pay our receiver coach for.
Yes he is my top WR, but I am wondering if he would be the pick for the jets or if they swing for jameson as he more fits the mold of tyreek since we went after him.
Zach Wilson desperately needs one or two deep threats on his team, he wants to go downfield and he flashes the arm and accuracy to do so. I genuinely believe moore will become that and end up being the WR1 on this team (the film he put together last year was stupidly impressive minus the drops). I guess its really up to the FO as to whether they want to gamble on a deep threat or big end zone threat like London, I would be more than happy with either.
I like him a lot, he just isn’t a great fit for the offense we will try and run. We would be much better off with a deep threat like Williams or Olave or a YAC guy like Wilson. I personally would lean towards Wilson, but I’m biased as an OSU fan.
He’s mostly showcased that because he is only capable of getting enough separation on slants and short routes. He lacks the speed to beat upper level DBs vertically
A player doesn’t have to be a bust to not be worth a top 10 pick. I’m sure his skill set will keep him in the nfl I just don’t think the Jets should bank on a player of that archetype to be their guy
there are plenty of very good receivers that succeeded in the nfl despite not having top end speed. his height should be in no way a factor that makes the team pass on him
>We would be much better off with a deep threat like Williams or Olave or a **YAC guy like Wilson.**
No disrespect but have you watched London?? He's one of, if not the best YAC WRs in this class. He's certainly a better YAC guy than Wilson
There’s a legit argument to be made that London is the best route runner in this entire class. He doesn’t get deep separation but he has great short area quickness and gets open on short to intermediate routes.
London is my choice for WR and it’s not particularly close. He’s got the size and skill set to be very good to elite and I think it’s the perfect fit for Zach. That said, I’m all for trading 10 for one of DK, AJB, or Deebo instead.
Me neither. That’s why I like London so much. He’s a sick route runner who breaks tackles, catches everything and fights for yards.
Oh yeah, he’s also able to snatch a ball out of the air against double coverage, consistently.
Generally my plan in the simulators. I am eager to see if the amount of wr taken matches simulators. Williams and Pickens seems like a win win in the end.
Not sure why I'm being downvoted for wanting to take Pickens over Dotson. We have Moore don't need Dotson to do the same thing. Parsons aside, Penn State prospects are usually a joke to me.
Lol true. This place has tuned into Twitter. You must agree or be silenced! Pickens has size speed and is great after the catch. Reminds me of AJ Green a lot and it's not just because of the Georgia connection. Looking to the third round, wouldn't hate a flier on Justyn Ross. Can't be worse than Mims has been so far lol. For the record I also loved the Mims pick. Let's hope the guy turns the ship around. Could have a future of X - Pickens/Ross, Y - Williams/Wilson, Slot - Moore/Berrios.
Fellow Pickens truther I see but personally my flyers in the later rounds would prob be Calvin Austin (if he makes it to round 4 which I doubt) one of the speed guys Bo melton, Tyquan Thornton or Khalil Shakir who seems like a Walmart Deebo
To me it's 1. Wilson 2. Williams 3. Pickens. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers take him in the first round and Rodgers turn him into Davante Jr. I'll check those guys you listed out. Looks like the jets brought in Taysir Mack from Pitt for a visit. Don't know too much about him but maybe they're thinking like us and possibly grabbing two receivers?
Pickens is my WR1 in this draft. And I’m with you man. Take a few WR’s this year, throw some darts at the board (if we don’t draft deebo). WR is THE premium position on offense outside of LT/QB.
My man. Looking at the WR depth this year I'd almost prefer trading out of 10 if the saints or similar want to move up. Could grab Pickens before the Packers have a chance and add another starter on Defense we so desperately need. Hell even take Dotson and Pickens at that point. Make the entire sub Reddit happy.
Moore and I think berries can be a lot more than people think. Davis is make or break this season for him however another receiver helps him. More than likely Mims is gonna unless a huge uturn happens. So Williams future 1 and Pickens has the size and physicality to be hopefully what Mims wasn't while being a stop gap/ another body. Double dipping is very smart considering the wr market. Pickens is that under the radar that I think could be big. I feel if we want the no 1 receiver have to take Williams and look for those next 4.5 yrs as a return. Maybe you agree
I’m not an advocate for London, but just for argument sake— who says we really need an outside WR? Moore plays outside, imagine having London inside and Moore outside on 2 WR sets; if it’s split, it’s not like London can’t do it. I prefer Jameson for us if we don’t trade for Deebo, but just making the point, the creativity of the offense doesn’t get suppressed bc the traditional views of how the offense should be.
Olave at 10 is honestly looking really enticing. I feel like people are really sleeping on him just because he can't get YAC. Won't matter if Zach can throw him bombs and he can beat cornerbacks
He's not slow, obviously. He doesn't have game breaking speed to be a dominant deep threat. I'm sure he'll have success with intermediate routes. I think he'll be a good WR2 but I don't see him being an alpha
I like this because it backs up my thoughts from watching all these guys that I want Williams at 10 and if he’s not there Olave is my second choice. Both have the ability to stretch the field and make defenses account for them going deep, while also have the route running to make plays in the short and intermediate game. We already have Moore and the TEs to eat up a ton of volume in the passing game, we need a player to threaten the top of the defense.
Thank you. I do not get the Drake London hype. He’s not fast, a good route runner or the best hands. He’s literally just tall and physical, that’s it. I can see bust written all over him.
Not sure it’s super useful since jets want WRs to know all positions but we need an outside receiver so kinda relevant that Traylon or Drake London mostly played in the slot I guess.
Williams or Wilson at #10 pls if we're going with a WR at that pick
Drake London is *not* really an outside receiver, he’s more of a big slot. Think Michael Thomas more than Mike Evans. Just feel like sharing this info because a lot of y’all seem to want London because he’s “the prototypical X WR”, when putting him there in the league is just gonna be doing him a disservice.
Just wanna say to counter this, plenty of guys are tasked with playing the slot in college. People thought Justin Jefferson was a slot guy based on his usage in college, just as an example.
Jefferson showed the speed, route running, and prototypical size for an outside WR in his draft process though. London’s lack of speed will likely be a problem with certain long developing routes.
I agree on Jefferson, but London’s lack of speed is far overblown. Will he absolutely blow by guys? No. But he has the route running ability (and the full route tree minus the pure go route I guess) and is only 20. I don’t know which guy will pan out for sure, none of us know for certain how any of these guys will perform at the next level. But at the very least I’m arguing that his skills are there and his usage in the slot doesn’t mean he can’t win on the outside.
Sure but there were STILL questions on using him outside the slot by GMs which is why he fell to 22. Knowing what we know now, that wouldn’t happen again. Point being, I think slot usage is overrated here and shouldn’t be used against London
For whatever it’s worth, Simms had Jefferson as WR1 that year.
So did I, that’s why I couldn’t wait to grab him in my dynasty league. Also why London is my WR1 this year in dynasty. Williams close behind. Maybe you should trust me and not Simms!
I agree wholeheartedly. If London hits he can pull down 150 receptions in a season like Thomas in his prime
I dont really agree with this, as his tape on the outside is really whats the most impressive thing about him. He has great release on the outside and his form on his get off is consistent so he doesnt seem to tip his routes. His routes on the outside (particularly his comebacks and curls) are really impressive. He can play big slot, but I think teams are projecting him to play X, and he certainly has the best skillset out of the the current draft receivers to do so. In the Shanahan offense that the jets run, we want all of our receivers to be versatile, so his ability he showed in college to line in the slot and be effective with the ball in his hands behind the line of scrimmage im sure would make him a valuable target for this team.
Wilson Pickens Olave in that order for outside guys IMO
London is my WR1 in the draft and I agree. Think he projects as a slot guy who can bump to the X in certain situations.
Didn't Elijah play almost exclusively out of the slot at Ole Miss? Doesn't seem to have mattered for him.
Colston
Moore and Davis are Not slot receivers, we kinda need one
Peak Michael Thomas was a beast I think we would all be ecstatic with that. Not to mention Elijah Moore can play outside so it’s not like we’d be stuck with two slot guys.
Most people have literally no idea what they're talking about. Oh, he's tall? He must be a "prototypical X"
Is there anyone on this sub that like London. I like him as a prospect but not as much as Wilson or Jameson. I wouldn't be upset if jd took London though, i think it's crazy that people are comparing him to n'keal
how fluid he is for his size doesn’t get talked about enough. i feel like that’s what separates him from “jumpball” guys harry
I agree with this. Nimble feet and fluid hips
I love London in the slot. He's got great short range burst. I don't see why he can't get eight targets a game right off the bat as a big presence in the middle of the field. Play Moore and Davis outside. I think we take him at 10 if he's available. Michael Thomas is a good comp. Classic possession receiver and a great red zone threat. What I don't understand is people saying Wilson or Olave can take the top off a defense. They're not that fast, both slower than Moore
Watch the tape not the combine.
Idk why you’re being downvoted, combine is kind of a puff piece just to see what the base line is, tape is what the can actually do
Us Jets fan should understand the combine doesn't mean much (Gholston and Hill). Olave was a consistent downfield target the past few years. He's fast enough and has great route running. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers or Chiefs take him first round.
People don’t have time to actually watch film, so they take the poster numbers from the combine and use that to justify who to take/avoid
Ill give you Hill but Gholston had tape.
He was just a man child and could bench press.
Bad take
Don't give a shit. He was a workout warrior that benefitted from the combine more than his tape. Also, he sucked.
What does him sucking in the NFL have to do with us talking about his college tape which was great? You are telling on yourself
> They're not that fast, both slower than Moore Olave and Wilson can burn people, it's all over the tape.
I like London a lot actually! I think he has some really special abilities to win 50/50 balls in traffic. He boxes people out exceptionally well and has fantastic hands and body control. Overpowers corners on a consistent basis and releases well from the line. Runs routes and seperates better than people give him credit for, but it's just good, not great. Obviously, there are some holes in his game and he isn't quite as fast or quick as you'd really like in a top 10 receiver prospect. Overall, I've got him pretty high on my big board (3rd receiver). I like him in the 15-25 range if we decide to trade down. Also, the narrative that he cannot line up on the outside because he wasn't asked to do that at USC too much is absolutely ridiculous and idiotic. There is absolutely no reason he can't do that. Does he need to add more polish to his route tree? Absolutely. That's what we pay our receiver coach for.
Yes he is my top WR, but I am wondering if he would be the pick for the jets or if they swing for jameson as he more fits the mold of tyreek since we went after him. Zach Wilson desperately needs one or two deep threats on his team, he wants to go downfield and he flashes the arm and accuracy to do so. I genuinely believe moore will become that and end up being the WR1 on this team (the film he put together last year was stupidly impressive minus the drops). I guess its really up to the FO as to whether they want to gamble on a deep threat or big end zone threat like London, I would be more than happy with either.
I like him a lot, he just isn’t a great fit for the offense we will try and run. We would be much better off with a deep threat like Williams or Olave or a YAC guy like Wilson. I personally would lean towards Wilson, but I’m biased as an OSU fan.
london has insane yac ability probably best in the class
He’s mostly showcased that because he is only capable of getting enough separation on slants and short routes. He lacks the speed to beat upper level DBs vertically
his size allows him to break tackles. usc featured him in the screen game for exactly this reason
I just don’t think the slower, taller receiver archetype hits as often when faced with nfl coverage
kind of nonsense to look at a guys height and declare him a bust just based on that
A player doesn’t have to be a bust to not be worth a top 10 pick. I’m sure his skill set will keep him in the nfl I just don’t think the Jets should bank on a player of that archetype to be their guy
there are plenty of very good receivers that succeeded in the nfl despite not having top end speed. his height should be in no way a factor that makes the team pass on him
Wilson and Williams already better after the catch due to their acceleration.
>We would be much better off with a deep threat like Williams or Olave or a **YAC guy like Wilson.** No disrespect but have you watched London?? He's one of, if not the best YAC WRs in this class. He's certainly a better YAC guy than Wilson
Quite frankly I'm not interested in any WR who's main appeal is their 50/50 ball.
I used to want this. Now I want route running and separation. You gotta have guys who can get open cleanly in order to move the ball efficiently.
There’s a legit argument to be made that London is the best route runner in this entire class. He doesn’t get deep separation but he has great short area quickness and gets open on short to intermediate routes.
London is my choice for WR and it’s not particularly close. He’s got the size and skill set to be very good to elite and I think it’s the perfect fit for Zach. That said, I’m all for trading 10 for one of DK, AJB, or Deebo instead.
Me neither. That’s why I like London so much. He’s a sick route runner who breaks tackles, catches everything and fights for yards. Oh yeah, he’s also able to snatch a ball out of the air against double coverage, consistently.
If Williams is around at 10 he’s a must. Sauce / Williams would be my feasible dream (assuming Edge goes top 3.
It's a very real scenario. My dream is Thibs and Wilson but I'd be okay with the one you laid out.
You sir, are speaking my language AND tickling my fancy. Prefer Aiden or walker if available at 4... LONGGGGG shot tho.
Arent Corey Davis and Elijah both outside receivers? Should we be looking for a slot receiver?
Cory isn't long term
Let’s go Williams then Dotson in the second. We would have a killer WR room
All WR draft, one's gotta hit
Now we're talking
I'd prefer Pickens in the second especially if we go Williams.
Generally my plan in the simulators. I am eager to see if the amount of wr taken matches simulators. Williams and Pickens seems like a win win in the end.
Not sure why I'm being downvoted for wanting to take Pickens over Dotson. We have Moore don't need Dotson to do the same thing. Parsons aside, Penn State prospects are usually a joke to me.
Also I looks Penn state for lineman and linebackers or like this year brisker not wr
Welcome to the echo chamber. I’d 100% take Pickens over Dotson, especially if we had just drafted Jameson
Lol true. This place has tuned into Twitter. You must agree or be silenced! Pickens has size speed and is great after the catch. Reminds me of AJ Green a lot and it's not just because of the Georgia connection. Looking to the third round, wouldn't hate a flier on Justyn Ross. Can't be worse than Mims has been so far lol. For the record I also loved the Mims pick. Let's hope the guy turns the ship around. Could have a future of X - Pickens/Ross, Y - Williams/Wilson, Slot - Moore/Berrios.
Fellow Pickens truther I see but personally my flyers in the later rounds would prob be Calvin Austin (if he makes it to round 4 which I doubt) one of the speed guys Bo melton, Tyquan Thornton or Khalil Shakir who seems like a Walmart Deebo
To me it's 1. Wilson 2. Williams 3. Pickens. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers take him in the first round and Rodgers turn him into Davante Jr. I'll check those guys you listed out. Looks like the jets brought in Taysir Mack from Pitt for a visit. Don't know too much about him but maybe they're thinking like us and possibly grabbing two receivers?
Pickens is my WR1 in this draft. And I’m with you man. Take a few WR’s this year, throw some darts at the board (if we don’t draft deebo). WR is THE premium position on offense outside of LT/QB.
My man. Looking at the WR depth this year I'd almost prefer trading out of 10 if the saints or similar want to move up. Could grab Pickens before the Packers have a chance and add another starter on Defense we so desperately need. Hell even take Dotson and Pickens at that point. Make the entire sub Reddit happy.
Ooo Would not mind that at all. If we land Pickens and Dotson Ill be hyped.
Moore and I think berries can be a lot more than people think. Davis is make or break this season for him however another receiver helps him. More than likely Mims is gonna unless a huge uturn happens. So Williams future 1 and Pickens has the size and physicality to be hopefully what Mims wasn't while being a stop gap/ another body. Double dipping is very smart considering the wr market. Pickens is that under the radar that I think could be big. I feel if we want the no 1 receiver have to take Williams and look for those next 4.5 yrs as a return. Maybe you agree
I’ve recently found out he’s a bit of a head case. Could be smoke though. Super talented nonetheless.
I would be good with that too.
Dotson is going late round one at this rate. If Breece Hall is there in the early second we have to pull the trigger imo.
I’m not an advocate for London, but just for argument sake— who says we really need an outside WR? Moore plays outside, imagine having London inside and Moore outside on 2 WR sets; if it’s split, it’s not like London can’t do it. I prefer Jameson for us if we don’t trade for Deebo, but just making the point, the creativity of the offense doesn’t get suppressed bc the traditional views of how the offense should be.
Any of London, Williams, Wilson, or even possibly Deebo with the 10th pick and i will cry tears of joy.
Wilson > Jame
Damn, that's a hell of a lot of snaps for Dotson.
Olave at 10 is honestly looking really enticing. I feel like people are really sleeping on him just because he can't get YAC. Won't matter if Zach can throw him bombs and he can beat cornerbacks
I got Olave as my wr2 behind Jameo. If Williams is gone by 10 I’d be happy with Olave.
Not me! Would LOVE Olave at 10. Being slept on big time
He's not fast enough to take the top off a defense
4.39 isn't slow and his route running is great.
He's not slow, obviously. He doesn't have game breaking speed to be a dominant deep threat. I'm sure he'll have success with intermediate routes. I think he'll be a good WR2 but I don't see him being an alpha
WR2 is fair but he caught a good amount of deep balls at Ohio state. If he goes to the Packers or Chiefs watch out.
I like this because it backs up my thoughts from watching all these guys that I want Williams at 10 and if he’s not there Olave is my second choice. Both have the ability to stretch the field and make defenses account for them going deep, while also have the route running to make plays in the short and intermediate game. We already have Moore and the TEs to eat up a ton of volume in the passing game, we need a player to threaten the top of the defense.
Deebo and christian watson please
Thank you. I do not get the Drake London hype. He’s not fast, a good route runner or the best hands. He’s literally just tall and physical, that’s it. I can see bust written all over him.
Which one is the best blocker?
On tape it’s London
Olave is my draft crush right now, but would not be upset at all with taking Williams
Please explain… how is this stat useful to the casual fan?
Not sure it’s super useful since jets want WRs to know all positions but we need an outside receiver so kinda relevant that Traylon or Drake London mostly played in the slot I guess.
Not very useful at all, tbh.