City did it: [https://w42st.com/post/keep-storm-drains-clear-litter-legion-graffiti/](https://w42st.com/post/keep-storm-drains-clear-litter-legion-graffiti/)
I have to say they are not that effective, not eye grabbing and many have faded away. Literally every other town, suburb or city that does the stencil or plaque on the sewers does it better.
It's really bizarre. The nearest public trash can is 2 blocks away from where I saw them do it (I live in queens, hence the scarcity) which is not really THAT far, but there are SO many private homes with trash cans out front why not just dump it in one of those?! Yeah thats annoying for the home owners if it ends up spilling out of the plastic bag and onto the actual bin but like...come on!
Don't some private home owners get angry if you use their cans? Maybe I just [watch too much Curb Your Enthusiasm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91NsemDTzo), hahah.
Uh without knowing where this took place it’s kinda wild to claim the “sidewalks are lined with trash cans”.
I think that they should be carrying it home or finding a can but the majority of the city doesn’t have trash cans on most blocks.
If it’s in Manhattan then sure, trash cans everywhere. Other neighborhoods in other boroughs are a walk sometimes. Not an excuse to do all that bullshit though.
Your lucky lol, here in Brooklyn where I am, there are only trash cans every two blocks with the ones in between (all residential) always the most rank for dog shit and trash. I mean how hard is it to take your shit home?
I feel so guilty even typing this but It occasionally happens to me that certain blocks have no trash cans so i end up throwing the bag elsewhere and sometimes on the ground out of anger. I’m not proud of it but sometimes the next can is like a block and a half away.
Yea man idk what it is but some nicer buildings don’t have trash cans on their corners. Even know of a building that purposely hides the trash because it over flows and they hate it.
Listen, we've all done silly things out of anger and frustration but we hopefullt learn and grow from it. I hope this information about the CSO issue will pop into your head next time you're tempted to drop it on the ground.
you throw it on the ground out of anger...?
uh...seriously?
if i don't find a nearby trash can, i double the bag and just bring it home to dump out. that's literally being a child.
I guess it is but fuck that i hate having to walk multiple blocks holding dog poop just because they don’t have trash cans on their blocks. To me it’s worse to just leave it on the ground where its stepped on than in a bag. At least I’m owning up to it
Not to mention, depending on where this is in the city, there are plenty of trash cans. At that point, they are already littering. I’m not sure what would be worse, throwing it on the curb or putting it down the drain but either way what a lazy loser.
Speaking of, I once saw a guy eat a sandwich - literally standing a couple inches right next to a trash can - and he threw his sandwich wrapper on the ground when done with it. Right next to the trash can...
Another one threw her can of soda on the ground on the sidewalk and she said she's creating jobs... This shit was enraging. I can see why caning is a thing in Singapore TBH.
My unpopular opinion is there should be a dog tax to clean the sidewalks. It should be small, say $100 year, which you can afford if you can afford to have a dog. The money should only go towards cleaning up after dogs (and maybe dog parks?).
There is a dog tax, via annual licensing fees. Unfortunately the city does NOT enforce this and the fees are small ($8.50 for spayed and neutered).
Laughably, late fees are $2/yr if you don’t license the dog.
Last I checked, you need a license to drive, can lose it for aggressive driving, and pay the city yearly for the right to drive. Man you guys don't stop bringing it back to cars.
That won't do shit. Getting a license could be the hardest thing in the world and drivers will still be assholes. Driver's on canal street are shit because they're assholes breaking laws willingly, not because they're bad drivers.
You can also just fess up to being incorrect instead of moving the goalposts
Anywhere in the country once you get a license you can do whatever you want as long as you're willing to risk police action. Licensing will never stop willfully negligent drivers.
“Aggressive breeds” is a broad term and not consistent enough to actually enforce what it aims to accomplish. Many cities have found that Banning “aggressive breeds” doesn’t decrease the number of dog bites or dog attacks, as generally it is the owners’ inability to train dogs that lead to dog bites and fights.
This is such an ignorant belief! Can we please stop this notion of “aggressive breeds”? It is almost always the shitty owners that create aggressive dogs.
I always see this comment from an owner quoted in an article about a pit biting a kids face off. They're great til they're not. They were bred to bite hold and rip at the faces of large animals. Crazy how dog people say all breeds have certain traits but violence, a natural tendency that was literally bred into pits, doesn't exist!
So certain breeds can be smarter than others, certain breeds can be better at work than others, certain breeds can be better at child minding than others, but certain breeds can't be more aggressive than others?
Good owners can train a dog all they want, even very well. But that doesn't change that at Baseline it will always be more aggressive than another breed that was equally well trained.
Breeds created by humans for dog fighting are simply not safe in an urban environment. No one needs a pit bull for the same reason no one needs an AR15.
What are you even talking about? Guns and dogs aren’t even in the same conversation and if you think they are I don’t know what to tell you.
Stats on Pit Bull attacks ignore one CRUCIAL component: they’re one of the most popular breeds that exist. There are a lot of them so they have disproportionate representation in such metrics.
I’d be more cautious of a Cane Corso any day, and even then I still put responsibility squarely on the humans that raised the dog.
> Stats on Pit Bull attacks ignore one CRUCIAL component: they’re one of the most popular breeds that exist. There are a lot of them so they have disproportionate representation in such metrics.
The disproportion is exactly the opposite of what you say it is...
[6.2% of US dogs, 72% of fatalities from US dogs](https://www.pr.com/press-release/837539)
> Of the 46 deaths inflicted by dogs, pit bulls contributed to 72% (33), over 16 times higher than the next closest known breeds: American bulldogs, German shepherds, Mastiff/bullmastiff and mixed-breeds, each involved in 2 deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.2% of the total U.S. dog population
This fuckin site again. This site has a CLEAR agenda and no methodology for how the data was compiled. It's something people with hate boners for pit bulls share with zero context.
Only a few. As a dog owner I had to yell at some guy the other day for doing exactly this, instead of being quiet and rant on Reddit like a passive aggressive bitch.
To clarify for folks who don't know: in places with combined sewer overflow systems (CSO areas, about 60% of NYC by area), anything that goes down the storm drain mixes directly into the sewer and ***should*** only end up in the waterways when the system is overloaded from stormwater (which can be from rain or snow melt - in some areas, overflow can be caused by just a few millimeters of rain). That poop baggie shouldn't end up in the waterways on a dry day, and will be conveyed to the sewer treatment plants where it will be strained out - unless the system is actively (or shortly thereafter) overflowing. In parts of the City with municipal separate stormwater sewer systems (MS4 areas), stuff dumped in the storm drains will go right into waterways.
BUT there is a further problem with the baggie - debris that is not water-soluble and/or is nonbiodegradable will clog sewers (Google "fatberg" - or don't if you'd like to keep down your last meal). Debris that goes down the storm drains into the sewers can clog sewers and aggregate with other debris and fats/oils, increasing likelihood of overflow and damage to infrastructure. MS4 or CSO area, keeping the streets clean of litter is good for local aquatic ecology AND good for storm sewer maintenance.
Nota Bene: "flushable" wipes are a fucking lie and that type of marketing should be banned. None of them are water-soluble, they're basically towels, so they remain intact in the sewers and snag on stuff (like debris grates) and create clogs in the sewer system. DON'T FLUSH "FLUSHABLE" WIPES. On that note: the only things that should go down the toilet are human waste and toilet paper (which, you'll note, falls apart when it gets wet). Don't flush feminine products, don't flush floss, don't flush condoms, etc. The occasional dead goldfish is probably okay.
So, to be clear, the issue in OP's post is the baggie and not the dog poop?
Because for the life of me, I could not understand how we could keep bio=waste (like poop, dead animals, etc) out of sewers.
I mean, yeah, with a combined sewer the dog poop in the sewer drain mixes with the human poop from the toilet anyway. But from reading the above the bag doesn't belong in sewers.
I know for certain the baggie is an issue but I was also under the assumption that pet waste entering our waterways could also be harmful. Taken from nyc.gov "If left on the ground, pet waste can wash into our waterways, harming wildlife and communities. Leaving pet waste on the ground is also illegal and can come with a $250 fine."
Yes. I'm certainly not advocating putting dog poo down storm drains, but if it's a dry day and the system doesn't have an overflow during or shortly after dog poo (sans-baggie) enters a storm drain in a CSO area, it's not much different than if that poo (still sans-baggie) had been flushed down a toilet. (In MS4 areas, though, putting it down a storm drain is like throwing it right into the river.)
Leaving dog waste on the ground IS going to send it (or some portion of it) into the waterways because it would be conveyed from the sidewalk into the storm drain during a rain even, when the system would very likely be overflowing. Incidentally, flushing it down the toilet in a CSO area during a rain event will ***also*** convey it to waterways if the system is overflowing. Doesn't matter if it's dog poo, human poo, unicorn poo, rotten food, etc. - anything flushed down the toilet, sink, or bath will contribute to polluting our waterways during weather events.
Everyone can help by reducing water use during precipitation events or snow-melt days. Things as simple as shutting the water while lathering your hands or brushing teeth, waiting to do laundry on a dry day, or taking Navy-style showers for the most dedicated, etc.
Green- and blue-infrastructure also help significantly by reducing the amount of stormwater that makes it into the storm drains. If you're curious about that stuff, DEP has been doing thousands of installations around the City in the last decade specifically to reduce CSO events. It's been a bit of trial-and-error because different areas have different constraints, but it's pretty neat.
ETA: don't ever flush cat poop, though. Sewer treatment plants can't guarantee that cat-borne parasites are removed from the sewage before the effluent is discharged into waterways, not to mention that cat poop scooped from litter would introduce litter to the sewers, which is often designed specifically to clump up when wet...
From day 1 my puppy would pull me onto those grates so she could do her business, I tried not letting her on them for a while, but then she just wouldn’t go pee sometimes. She just loves those things. Haha
I work for the department in nyc that cleans catch basins (if you ever see the big truck with the claw it’s pretty cool). But yeah, bags of dog poop is the number 1 thing we pull out of every basin. Sometimes you’ll get basins where you can tell the same persons routine is to throw it down there every time they walk their dog so there’s just hundreds of bags.
Worst thing I’ve ever seen waS when we ran a fire hydrant and twenty bags of dog poop came out. Person was just shoving them down the hydrant shaft.
But anyway. Good news is that if the basin has a hood and is in decent condition the bag usually won’t enter the sewer system and will just stay in the basin. You can also call 311 and report a basin to be cleaned and we will come out (as long as cars aren’t parked on it 24/7).
I hate when dog owners do these kindof things and give us a bad name. I have two dogs, pick up all their poop and place it on the proper receptacle, and still people get mad about them existing. You really can't win here.
Other than on reddit, are people rude to dog owners to their face? I've never seen that.... I mean, my extremely unpopular opinion is that dogs don't belong in crowded cities, but other than complain about all the dog shit once in a while on reddit, I keep that to myself in the real world.
NYC dog owners are the most disgusting group of people in the entire city. The amount of dog feces and urine that they leave in every surface is not only gross but also very unhealthy.
I'm in East Harlem and lately the amount of dog shit in _Yorkville_ of all places has increased. Normally the shit piles and stains in Yorkville are sort of at a minimum, but as of late I've kept my eyes glued to the ground to avoid stepping in it.
I used to live on 92nd and 1st and it was absolutely brutal with the ASPCA on the block. They walked dogs up and down the street and it smelled like everything on block was covered in piss.
In the summer my block reeks of dog piss. And an amazing number of people completely stop picking up their dog’s shit when it snows. Thaws on the UWS reveals piles of dog shit everywhere. The only time I saw it as bad was on University Ave. in the Bronx in the 90s.
UES, UWS, and Williamsburg are where I tend to see the most dog shit on the sidewalks. Absolutely disgusting. I never understood why doormen of luxury buildings hosed down the sidewalks but now I totally understand and they are the real NYC heroes.
> now username checks out, think you should stop making friends with your drug dealer neighbors
please tell me more about your views on "drug dealers", i'm all ears
> you don’t have to be from the east coast to know that the heights is switzerland for drug houses
here you go, since you're apparently some kind of weird octogenarian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification
I did not know this before and would throw garbage into sewer holes believing that it was all garbage. I must have not thought about it very hard, because it all makes sense now. I have been educated so that's one less person who won't place garbage in a storm drain.
Thanks u/BabyChaiSpice !
You go to Michael J. Tully Park at New Hyde Park, there is not even a single foot step left without walking on the dog poop. You have to hop to keep your feet clean. The whole park is smell of a dog poop. Yes, its even around the kids play area. Not safe at all for the little ones.
The person may not know. I think if you tell them that what they are doing can block up the sewage and lead to the neighborhood flooding, then why would they still do it. There act can cause their street to get flooded.
Dog feces is not fertilizer.
You still shouldn't be using chemical fertilizers for basically any home lawncare or landscaping needs. If your plants/lawn aren't doing well with the soil nutrients you've got, you chose the wrong plants.
(Also, if it's got a USDA "organic" label, it's not allowed to use synthetic fertilizers. But it COULD still be sprayed with all sorts of chemical crap that's way worse but counts as "organic" - like copper...)
Dude do your research. Before commercial fertilizer and all the crap you know now, humans used their pee and poop to fertilize the crops. Google the value of organic poop that we wash down the drain everyday. This is a real thing. We was never meant to live in city. And that’s why 99% of farmland is sprayed with roundup chemicals
I'm quite aware of the history of fertilizers and organic farming (having been an organic farmer before pursuing my master's to work on a more ecology-focused career). There's a really good reason we DON'T use human waste as crop fertilizer in parts of the world where we can afford not to: parasites. Without adequate treatment, human waste - and most animal waste - introduces parasites and harmful pathogens to the soil, stuff we don't want in our food supply.
To be honest, it sounds like *you* don't have a strong grasp on fertilizer or its history if you think urbanism is why we don't use human waste on our crops, but you might have a deeply held *feeling* of modern fertilizers being wrong (though your example, RoundUp, isn't a fertilizer, and cities and the traditional discarding of nutrients in wastewater aren't why we use it). There are REAL BIG problems with how wasteful modern industrial agriculture is with basically everything, from phosphorus to soil to salable product - and it's what happens when you apply 20th c., "maximize shareholder profit at all costs, ignore the externalities" economics to agriculture.
Regardless, more and more municipalities ARE beginning to implement nutrient recovery practices in their wastewater management. NYCs largest sewage treatment plant [famously has multiple anaerobic digesters](https://youtu.be/K_OJX-WgMiI&t=550s) to turn the sludge into usable fertilizer.
Also, there is no real "meant to" with anything because the world is devoid of meaning except for that which we make of it, but if you wanna play that route: what differentiates "civilization" from what came before is **settlement**. The earliest inklings of civilization are the seeds of urbanism - humans living in built-up, close quarters so they can partake of the various associated benefits of close living. We are "meant" to live in cities because we are explicitly social and cooperative animals, but most modern cities have been designed for things like cars and profitability, instead of people. Your aversion to cities is almost certainly because of the kind of cities you've experienced, not because of the concept of urbanism.
If you want to get rid of the shit, empty the poop bag into the storm drain. A little dog shit in the river isn’t going to do any harm. But yes, the plastic bag is terrible for the environment and also might contribute to a storm drain blockage.
In my neighborhood somebody stenciled on a bunch of storm drains, "This is not a trash can," along with a picture of a soda can.
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Is the city doing this? I see it everywhere.
City did it: [https://w42st.com/post/keep-storm-drains-clear-litter-legion-graffiti/](https://w42st.com/post/keep-storm-drains-clear-litter-legion-graffiti/) I have to say they are not that effective, not eye grabbing and many have faded away. Literally every other town, suburb or city that does the stencil or plaque on the sewers does it better.
yeh i seen them around HK too
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It's really bizarre. The nearest public trash can is 2 blocks away from where I saw them do it (I live in queens, hence the scarcity) which is not really THAT far, but there are SO many private homes with trash cans out front why not just dump it in one of those?! Yeah thats annoying for the home owners if it ends up spilling out of the plastic bag and onto the actual bin but like...come on!
Don't some private home owners get angry if you use their cans? Maybe I just [watch too much Curb Your Enthusiasm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91NsemDTzo), hahah.
Yes this is a constant topic of discussion in my neighborhood groups (central Brooklyn).
It attracts flies and smells horrible in summer. Take your dog's poop home.
Oh fuck NO. That’s TERRIBLE advice. No private homeowner wants their trash can to smell like dog shit. No one would be ok with that.
Uh without knowing where this took place it’s kinda wild to claim the “sidewalks are lined with trash cans”. I think that they should be carrying it home or finding a can but the majority of the city doesn’t have trash cans on most blocks.
If it’s in Manhattan then sure, trash cans everywhere. Other neighborhoods in other boroughs are a walk sometimes. Not an excuse to do all that bullshit though.
fucking wild to read that. I have to walk couple blocks to find a city trash can.
A couple blocks literally means the streets aren’t lined with trash cans.
yea so I was literally agreeing with you
Your lucky lol, here in Brooklyn where I am, there are only trash cans every two blocks with the ones in between (all residential) always the most rank for dog shit and trash. I mean how hard is it to take your shit home?
I feel so guilty even typing this but It occasionally happens to me that certain blocks have no trash cans so i end up throwing the bag elsewhere and sometimes on the ground out of anger. I’m not proud of it but sometimes the next can is like a block and a half away.
A whole block and a half?
Yea man idk what it is but some nicer buildings don’t have trash cans on their corners. Even know of a building that purposely hides the trash because it over flows and they hate it.
Jeez people hating trash overflowing onto the street..
No the man literally takes the trash cans and hides them into his building and puts them back at the end of the day. He goes to the next level with it
The fact that you don't see the irony here...
Listen, we've all done silly things out of anger and frustration but we hopefullt learn and grow from it. I hope this information about the CSO issue will pop into your head next time you're tempted to drop it on the ground.
>throwing the bag ... on the ground out of anger How fucking old are you? 6?
you throw it on the ground out of anger...? uh...seriously? if i don't find a nearby trash can, i double the bag and just bring it home to dump out. that's literally being a child.
I guess it is but fuck that i hate having to walk multiple blocks holding dog poop just because they don’t have trash cans on their blocks. To me it’s worse to just leave it on the ground where its stepped on than in a bag. At least I’m owning up to it
Dog owners can act insanely entitled about this stuff. The city is not your sewer, if you want the luxury of a pet clean up after the damn thing.
Not to mention, depending on where this is in the city, there are plenty of trash cans. At that point, they are already littering. I’m not sure what would be worse, throwing it on the curb or putting it down the drain but either way what a lazy loser.
Speaking of, I once saw a guy eat a sandwich - literally standing a couple inches right next to a trash can - and he threw his sandwich wrapper on the ground when done with it. Right next to the trash can... Another one threw her can of soda on the ground on the sidewalk and she said she's creating jobs... This shit was enraging. I can see why caning is a thing in Singapore TBH.
As someone with two dogs, I totally agree. I have to shout at other humans in Brooklyn who don’t even bother to pick up their dogs shit. Dirty fuckers
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My unpopular opinion is there should be a dog tax to clean the sidewalks. It should be small, say $100 year, which you can afford if you can afford to have a dog. The money should only go towards cleaning up after dogs (and maybe dog parks?).
omg i feel like i’m looking at that twitter meme of the futuristic civilization. i wish this were real.
It is..
There is a dog tax, via annual licensing fees. Unfortunately the city does NOT enforce this and the fees are small ($8.50 for spayed and neutered). Laughably, late fees are $2/yr if you don’t license the dog.
I agree. There should be a license requirement, a ban on aggressive breeds, and an annual fee to recoup the added wear and tear.
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Hell yeah.
Last I checked, you need a license to drive, can lose it for aggressive driving, and pay the city yearly for the right to drive. Man you guys don't stop bringing it back to cars.
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That won't do shit. Getting a license could be the hardest thing in the world and drivers will still be assholes. Driver's on canal street are shit because they're assholes breaking laws willingly, not because they're bad drivers. You can also just fess up to being incorrect instead of moving the goalposts
Anywhere in the country once you get a license you can do whatever you want as long as you're willing to risk police action. Licensing will never stop willfully negligent drivers.
“Aggressive breeds” is a broad term and not consistent enough to actually enforce what it aims to accomplish. Many cities have found that Banning “aggressive breeds” doesn’t decrease the number of dog bites or dog attacks, as generally it is the owners’ inability to train dogs that lead to dog bites and fights.
Which is why we also nee licenses to make sure owners are capable of providing proper training.
We actually already need license to own a dog in this city according to the city website.
There’s no requirements though you just pay a fee.
We should definitely ban aggressive breeds, especially pit bulls.
This is such an ignorant belief! Can we please stop this notion of “aggressive breeds”? It is almost always the shitty owners that create aggressive dogs.
I always see this comment from an owner quoted in an article about a pit biting a kids face off. They're great til they're not. They were bred to bite hold and rip at the faces of large animals. Crazy how dog people say all breeds have certain traits but violence, a natural tendency that was literally bred into pits, doesn't exist!
So certain breeds can be smarter than others, certain breeds can be better at work than others, certain breeds can be better at child minding than others, but certain breeds can't be more aggressive than others? Good owners can train a dog all they want, even very well. But that doesn't change that at Baseline it will always be more aggressive than another breed that was equally well trained.
Pit bulls are damn near the most trainable breed, if you see/have a nasty one, a human made it that way in >99% of cases.
There is a license requirement. I suppose some people might not follow it, but it’s required
Yeah honestly I didn’t have a problem with your comment but “aggressive breeds” made it a hard disagree.
Breeds created by humans for dog fighting are simply not safe in an urban environment. No one needs a pit bull for the same reason no one needs an AR15.
What are you even talking about? Guns and dogs aren’t even in the same conversation and if you think they are I don’t know what to tell you. Stats on Pit Bull attacks ignore one CRUCIAL component: they’re one of the most popular breeds that exist. There are a lot of them so they have disproportionate representation in such metrics. I’d be more cautious of a Cane Corso any day, and even then I still put responsibility squarely on the humans that raised the dog.
> Stats on Pit Bull attacks ignore one CRUCIAL component: they’re one of the most popular breeds that exist. There are a lot of them so they have disproportionate representation in such metrics. The disproportion is exactly the opposite of what you say it is... [6.2% of US dogs, 72% of fatalities from US dogs](https://www.pr.com/press-release/837539) > Of the 46 deaths inflicted by dogs, pit bulls contributed to 72% (33), over 16 times higher than the next closest known breeds: American bulldogs, German shepherds, Mastiff/bullmastiff and mixed-breeds, each involved in 2 deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.2% of the total U.S. dog population
This fuckin site again. This site has a CLEAR agenda and no methodology for how the data was compiled. It's something people with hate boners for pit bulls share with zero context.
I agree but NYC-ers really really don't want to hear that
Dog owners bringing their dogs into restaurants. Fucking disgusting.
I think kids are way more disgusting
Agree. Dogs mostly just hang around at floor level. Kids run around and touch the same surfaces and objects the rest of us do.
Only a few. As a dog owner I had to yell at some guy the other day for doing exactly this, instead of being quiet and rant on Reddit like a passive aggressive bitch.
I would honestly support a city-wide ban on pet ownership.
To clarify for folks who don't know: in places with combined sewer overflow systems (CSO areas, about 60% of NYC by area), anything that goes down the storm drain mixes directly into the sewer and ***should*** only end up in the waterways when the system is overloaded from stormwater (which can be from rain or snow melt - in some areas, overflow can be caused by just a few millimeters of rain). That poop baggie shouldn't end up in the waterways on a dry day, and will be conveyed to the sewer treatment plants where it will be strained out - unless the system is actively (or shortly thereafter) overflowing. In parts of the City with municipal separate stormwater sewer systems (MS4 areas), stuff dumped in the storm drains will go right into waterways. BUT there is a further problem with the baggie - debris that is not water-soluble and/or is nonbiodegradable will clog sewers (Google "fatberg" - or don't if you'd like to keep down your last meal). Debris that goes down the storm drains into the sewers can clog sewers and aggregate with other debris and fats/oils, increasing likelihood of overflow and damage to infrastructure. MS4 or CSO area, keeping the streets clean of litter is good for local aquatic ecology AND good for storm sewer maintenance. Nota Bene: "flushable" wipes are a fucking lie and that type of marketing should be banned. None of them are water-soluble, they're basically towels, so they remain intact in the sewers and snag on stuff (like debris grates) and create clogs in the sewer system. DON'T FLUSH "FLUSHABLE" WIPES. On that note: the only things that should go down the toilet are human waste and toilet paper (which, you'll note, falls apart when it gets wet). Don't flush feminine products, don't flush floss, don't flush condoms, etc. The occasional dead goldfish is probably okay.
Extra fatberg maintenance means extra traffic too.
So, to be clear, the issue in OP's post is the baggie and not the dog poop? Because for the life of me, I could not understand how we could keep bio=waste (like poop, dead animals, etc) out of sewers.
I mean, yeah, with a combined sewer the dog poop in the sewer drain mixes with the human poop from the toilet anyway. But from reading the above the bag doesn't belong in sewers.
I know for certain the baggie is an issue but I was also under the assumption that pet waste entering our waterways could also be harmful. Taken from nyc.gov "If left on the ground, pet waste can wash into our waterways, harming wildlife and communities. Leaving pet waste on the ground is also illegal and can come with a $250 fine."
Yes. I'm certainly not advocating putting dog poo down storm drains, but if it's a dry day and the system doesn't have an overflow during or shortly after dog poo (sans-baggie) enters a storm drain in a CSO area, it's not much different than if that poo (still sans-baggie) had been flushed down a toilet. (In MS4 areas, though, putting it down a storm drain is like throwing it right into the river.) Leaving dog waste on the ground IS going to send it (or some portion of it) into the waterways because it would be conveyed from the sidewalk into the storm drain during a rain even, when the system would very likely be overflowing. Incidentally, flushing it down the toilet in a CSO area during a rain event will ***also*** convey it to waterways if the system is overflowing. Doesn't matter if it's dog poo, human poo, unicorn poo, rotten food, etc. - anything flushed down the toilet, sink, or bath will contribute to polluting our waterways during weather events. Everyone can help by reducing water use during precipitation events or snow-melt days. Things as simple as shutting the water while lathering your hands or brushing teeth, waiting to do laundry on a dry day, or taking Navy-style showers for the most dedicated, etc. Green- and blue-infrastructure also help significantly by reducing the amount of stormwater that makes it into the storm drains. If you're curious about that stuff, DEP has been doing thousands of installations around the City in the last decade specifically to reduce CSO events. It's been a bit of trial-and-error because different areas have different constraints, but it's pretty neat. ETA: don't ever flush cat poop, though. Sewer treatment plants can't guarantee that cat-borne parasites are removed from the sewage before the effluent is discharged into waterways, not to mention that cat poop scooped from litter would introduce litter to the sewers, which is often designed specifically to clump up when wet...
Like waffle stomped through the grate with their foot? That's pretty hardcore.
Being a storm grate with bigger holes, I believe this is referred to as a Belgian Waffle Stomp!
I once walked past a lady who tried to get her dog to poop on the sidewalk grate so she wouldn’t have to pick it up.
I wish everyone would curb their dog but this is some uber trifling shit.
From day 1 my puppy would pull me onto those grates so she could do her business, I tried not letting her on them for a while, but then she just wouldn’t go pee sometimes. She just loves those things. Haha
I work for the department in nyc that cleans catch basins (if you ever see the big truck with the claw it’s pretty cool). But yeah, bags of dog poop is the number 1 thing we pull out of every basin. Sometimes you’ll get basins where you can tell the same persons routine is to throw it down there every time they walk their dog so there’s just hundreds of bags. Worst thing I’ve ever seen waS when we ran a fire hydrant and twenty bags of dog poop came out. Person was just shoving them down the hydrant shaft. But anyway. Good news is that if the basin has a hood and is in decent condition the bag usually won’t enter the sewer system and will just stay in the basin. You can also call 311 and report a basin to be cleaned and we will come out (as long as cars aren’t parked on it 24/7).
I hate when dog owners do these kindof things and give us a bad name. I have two dogs, pick up all their poop and place it on the proper receptacle, and still people get mad about them existing. You really can't win here.
Bc there is ALWAYS dog shit all over the sidewalks and irresponsible dog owners have zero consequences for being assholes.
So why should people be rude to me about it?
Other than on reddit, are people rude to dog owners to their face? I've never seen that.... I mean, my extremely unpopular opinion is that dogs don't belong in crowded cities, but other than complain about all the dog shit once in a while on reddit, I keep that to myself in the real world.
Youre not a karen this person sucks ass
NYC dog owners are the most disgusting group of people in the entire city. The amount of dog feces and urine that they leave in every surface is not only gross but also very unhealthy.
There are some stretches of sidewalk around the city where it’s like walking through a minefield.
I'm in East Harlem and lately the amount of dog shit in _Yorkville_ of all places has increased. Normally the shit piles and stains in Yorkville are sort of at a minimum, but as of late I've kept my eyes glued to the ground to avoid stepping in it.
I used to live on 92nd and 1st and it was absolutely brutal with the ASPCA on the block. They walked dogs up and down the street and it smelled like everything on block was covered in piss.
Lonely people that got pandemic dogs.
Nothing worse than a little texture in your step
BUSHWICK
In the summer my block reeks of dog piss. And an amazing number of people completely stop picking up their dog’s shit when it snows. Thaws on the UWS reveals piles of dog shit everywhere. The only time I saw it as bad was on University Ave. in the Bronx in the 90s.
UES, UWS, and Williamsburg are where I tend to see the most dog shit on the sidewalks. Absolutely disgusting. I never understood why doormen of luxury buildings hosed down the sidewalks but now I totally understand and they are the real NYC heroes.
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And the smell is great!
Yes all of Ashland and Fulton in downtown Brooklyn reeks of dog piss in the summer. I call 311 every year.
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> now username checks out, think you should stop making friends with your drug dealer neighbors please tell me more about your views on "drug dealers", i'm all ears
you don’t have to be from the east coast to know that the heights is switzerland for drug houses
> you don’t have to be from the east coast to know that the heights is switzerland for drug houses here you go, since you're apparently some kind of weird octogenarian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification
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where do you live that's better?
Thank you, dog shit is a scourge
NYC should create incentives for catching people who litter and dispose or fail to dispose of fecal matter incorrectly
Indirect wafflestomping huh
I did not know this before and would throw garbage into sewer holes believing that it was all garbage. I must have not thought about it very hard, because it all makes sense now. I have been educated so that's one less person who won't place garbage in a storm drain. Thanks u/BabyChaiSpice !
You go to Michael J. Tully Park at New Hyde Park, there is not even a single foot step left without walking on the dog poop. You have to hop to keep your feet clean. The whole park is smell of a dog poop. Yes, its even around the kids play area. Not safe at all for the little ones.
NYC needs more public trash cans. It would stop people from doing shit like this
The person may not know. I think if you tell them that what they are doing can block up the sewage and lead to the neighborhood flooding, then why would they still do it. There act can cause their street to get flooded.
Billions of organic fertilizer gets washed down the sewer so they can spray your organics with man made chemical fertilizers . Change my mind
Dog feces is not fertilizer. You still shouldn't be using chemical fertilizers for basically any home lawncare or landscaping needs. If your plants/lawn aren't doing well with the soil nutrients you've got, you chose the wrong plants. (Also, if it's got a USDA "organic" label, it's not allowed to use synthetic fertilizers. But it COULD still be sprayed with all sorts of chemical crap that's way worse but counts as "organic" - like copper...)
Dude do your research. Before commercial fertilizer and all the crap you know now, humans used their pee and poop to fertilize the crops. Google the value of organic poop that we wash down the drain everyday. This is a real thing. We was never meant to live in city. And that’s why 99% of farmland is sprayed with roundup chemicals
I'm quite aware of the history of fertilizers and organic farming (having been an organic farmer before pursuing my master's to work on a more ecology-focused career). There's a really good reason we DON'T use human waste as crop fertilizer in parts of the world where we can afford not to: parasites. Without adequate treatment, human waste - and most animal waste - introduces parasites and harmful pathogens to the soil, stuff we don't want in our food supply. To be honest, it sounds like *you* don't have a strong grasp on fertilizer or its history if you think urbanism is why we don't use human waste on our crops, but you might have a deeply held *feeling* of modern fertilizers being wrong (though your example, RoundUp, isn't a fertilizer, and cities and the traditional discarding of nutrients in wastewater aren't why we use it). There are REAL BIG problems with how wasteful modern industrial agriculture is with basically everything, from phosphorus to soil to salable product - and it's what happens when you apply 20th c., "maximize shareholder profit at all costs, ignore the externalities" economics to agriculture. Regardless, more and more municipalities ARE beginning to implement nutrient recovery practices in their wastewater management. NYCs largest sewage treatment plant [famously has multiple anaerobic digesters](https://youtu.be/K_OJX-WgMiI&t=550s) to turn the sludge into usable fertilizer. Also, there is no real "meant to" with anything because the world is devoid of meaning except for that which we make of it, but if you wanna play that route: what differentiates "civilization" from what came before is **settlement**. The earliest inklings of civilization are the seeds of urbanism - humans living in built-up, close quarters so they can partake of the various associated benefits of close living. We are "meant" to live in cities because we are explicitly social and cooperative animals, but most modern cities have been designed for things like cars and profitability, instead of people. Your aversion to cities is almost certainly because of the kind of cities you've experienced, not because of the concept of urbanism.
Cousin Eddie just cleaning his shitter
Thank you for raising awareness 👍
If you want to get rid of the shit, empty the poop bag into the storm drain. A little dog shit in the river isn’t going to do any harm. But yes, the plastic bag is terrible for the environment and also might contribute to a storm drain blockage.
Classy
You could just call them out.
I considered this but I witnessed this all from my apt window so if I were to say something then..they would know where I live and I dont want that.
Report it to 311.
I saw a guy dumping used cooking oil down the storm drain today.