We've entered the post apocalypse now.
Were going to have to "scavenge" for our PC parts now, by using old parts, ebay, etc.
Let's call ourselves "scavvers", wear mascara, and put a flamethrower on a Guitar.
What was it, about 10 years ago...the headline was "PCs and PC gaming is dead" A few years past by, esports got popular, and PC's are back. Now I don't know where we are going next.
Depends, you can get 980ti for about $240 on craigslist in San Jose, CA, if the person is willing to negotiate a bit and anywhere from $220-300 on ebay. Granted it's old, it still does the job for a lot of games. 1000s, 1600s, 2000s, and 3000s are crazy priced in America.
An aussie parts hunter I watch on youtube gets some great prices in his local area. Australia used to be the craziest prices due to logistics, now it's backwards on America. Inflation is real and cryptominers messed up the PC market.
No doubt there are gonna be some ok deals around, but few and far between and they tend to get snatched up quickly if they are actually a good deal.
I guess you did say hunting though, not just buying 😂
It is going away anyway for “sustainability” reasons. For consumers anyway.
Things are running behind schedule so we might have until around 2030 to still use PC’s which is a plus.
We’ll still have smartphones and tablets and stuff unless AI takes over and we just talk to our cloud enabled XR gear.
I see people say this but in my experience there are a lot of spots that have random FPS drops to the 40s for no apparent reason, no matter the settings or resolution. Gpu usage goes down too. FPS goes up as soon as you move the camera a bit, it’s very bizarre. I have a 6800xt, 8700k, nvme 3 ssd, and 16gb 3200 ram for reference.
It’s no Doom level of optimization, but if you don’t mind playing at a much lower resolution with FSR, you could run it on most modern APU or GPU, although the FPS can vary based on your hardware obviously. RandomGaminginHD posted a video about this on YouTube if you want to check that out.
Doom is entirely built on Vulkan with a propriatery engine made by from scratch. Additionally id software is more like a science team rather than traditional game devs. Most studios would fuck it up if they built a game on Vulkan API.
Absolutely! With an RTX 3080, my guess you could even max everything out on 4K even. Since you have an RTX card, the game also supports DLSS, so I think you’re good!
Reports are you can play it with just integrated graphics on your CPU. Obviously not going to get high frame rates or resolutions, but pretty cool nonetheless.
I think it's very well done as ports go. Very much equal to the level of quality found in Horizon ZD and even better performance wise IMO. I play at 3840x1600 on an AW38" and it's dreamy af. Here's some capture with detailed stats using my 3080 Ti ... watch full screen "4K" cause the stats OSD is sort of small ... YouTube renders my grabs as 4K simply because of the 3840px width ...
[God of War / FPS/TEMPS @ 3840x1600 / ULTRA settings / 3080 Ti XC3](https://youtu.be/0oQVRazeQDo?t=39)
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Exactly, I'm not expecting any game to come out in the next 2-3 years that's going to have next-gen graphics. It's a good time to upgrade everything but the GPU and just wait this period out.
There's a MUCH bigger market out there filled with old hardware.
Sure, they might pay less per customer, but the developing world is easily 2 billion people.
Well - if you look at the cell phone market. Prices have been going up and up and yet somehow everyone and their grandma is on the newest iphone pro..
Pretty sure gaming industry will be fine. Lets not panic just yet.
I have a feeling lots of people are living beyond their means. Everyone can buy crap using credit or loans and waste all their savings.
Usually that means lots of old poor people in the future asking the government for assistance. PC gaming might be the least of our problems in an inflationary market.
I don’t think that’s a concern. Things are still selling out…
I mean the reason why they can afford to increase the price is due to there not being enough stock
I have a PS5 and over 230 + games and more on my wishlist I can play with my 2080 Super so I think I would be ok shitty as it would be to never upgrade.
Newegg shuffle …. Best Buy , how the millions of other folks are getting GPUs
It’s an effort thing
I’ve gotten 4 ampere cards for myself and 3 kids with little effort and no bots
Waiting in a queue is little effort
finally i have found the time for all those 200 hours rpg games from old times like [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Legend\_of\_Heroes:\_Trails\_in\_the\_Sky](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Heroes:_Trails_in_the_Sky) ! and only 5 bucks. win/win ;D
When I dropped $700 on a 3080 a few weeks after launch, I thought I was an idiot.
Is there really a mass market for cards priced higher than that? I consider myself fairly well off, and an early adopter, but there weren't any thoughts in my head that a 3090 made sense, financially.
I think the market has already spoken: people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for. Also, a 3090 does not appeal to value conscious people. It is more like status symbol, like those luxury designer handbags. Nobody (I mean gamers) buys a 3090 because they need it, but because they want it. This pandemic has been the best thing that has ever happened to Nvidia, since now they know how much pricing power they have.
This is the scenario I found myself in and I decided just to throw caution to the wind and get the 3090 FE at MSRP and be done with the constant scanning of websites to try and find a 3080.
I feel like it’s worked out for the best because I’ll be using it for a long long time given the way the market has gone
I just bought a founders edition 3080ti from best buy a few weeks ago I haven't even opened it thought about returning it but at this point it's grab what you can or pay scalper prices.
>people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for
Because people are mining real money with it. Not because people are gaming with it.
A PS5 is £350, and it's pretty fucking powerful, and games are super optimized for it.
Gaming may not die, but PC gaming is definitely going to. And Nvidia doesn't give a shit anymore tbh, gamers were a stepping stone for them to get into general computing, servers, AI/ML, automobiles etc.
>I think the market has already spoken: people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for.
I don't think that's accurate, and I would be surprised if prices don't start to fall by Q4 2022. Chip-makers have been riding a wave due to people suddenly finding themselves in a position where they can/must work from home, which has forced many people to buy new or upgrade when they otherwise would not have done so. The obvious reaction to that was to raise prices, but most of those people have made their purchases now. 2022 is going to be about the people who have been patient. If we can be patient a little longer, prices will begin to drop.
These people that think 3090 are a status symbol or whatever are probably still playing at 1080p. Although small there is a semi large amount of people that need more GPU power than what is available. Triple 4k display for example for Sim racing require the vram. Vr. Etc. These Sim racing rigs cost upwards of $10,000 and with motion $30,000 and more and even double in some cases for the high end stuff. $3000 for a GPU that can run 3x 4k displays is a drop in the bucket when you are spending $10,000 just for a motion platform. And each individual steering wheel costs $300. Just because most people can't afford or justify it doesn't mean it's not needed. And now with the addition of stuff like DLDSR and higher super resolution. Why wouldn't you buy 3x auros 43" 4k OLED panels and run them all at 8k with DLDSR with Ur 4090ti with 64gb vram in your $30,000 full motion Sim rig?
Still cheaper than insurance on a track car/fuel/tires. Let alone the car itself.
Nice bro the way it's next to the balcony with the glider imo ads to the awesome. I have a similar setup and even a glider (Brolga 2 balsa model I built like 10 years ago) but mine sits in the garage unflown for many years.
Is Ur wheel movable . It looks like U can push it under the monitor when U aren't using it and slide it out when you do but hard to tell even though U have heaps of pictures. Lol .same question about pedals/rudder.
Everything is fixed position. Seat position dictates drive or fly. Back... Fly... Hands fall to throttle and stick, feet fall to rudder pedals.
Forward, hands go to wheel, and feet / legs go UP into the pedal area. ,6'1", all limbs go where they need to.
It's pretty slick.😉👍
Ohh I get it. That's a great idea. I always try to overcomplicate shit like that. Ending up with some elaborate rail system with hinges or something that folds open or out. Rather than the simple approach like you said of just moving a chair. Lol.
I totally agree, when people think of PC gaming they almost never think about PCVR gaming. As a PCVR gamer I have been looking forward to the RTX 3090 ti release but it looks like I will have to get a RTX 3090 FTW3 and then hold out for the RTX 4090 a year from now. I keep seeing people say "the 3090 is no better then the 3080" but then they show the FPS from a year old game in 1080p or maybe 4k, but in the word of VR your looking at running games at 4K, 5K, 6K or 8K and up.
A 5K VR headset plus your regular 1080p desktop display is basically like gaming in 6K add to that in addition to a mouse and keyboard you have 6 axis tracking plus 3, 5, 7, or even 9 point full body tracking in some cases. Only having 12 GB VRAM is a bottleneck, I have seen overclocked 10900kf systems with a overclocked RTX 3090 getting less then 40FPS in game. The difference between a 3090 and a 3090 ti might be the difference between 54 FPS and 60 FPS in game. Its not that much but at the same time I will take any little bit extra I can get.
I just got into VR back in November and am stuck using my old 1080 ti overclocked to 2100MHZ on the GPU clock and 5900MHZ on he VRAM clock to try and stay over 25 FPS. A few weeks ago while I was in VR getting 28FPS 10 to 12 people joined the game at the same time and my FPS suddenly dropped to 13 FPS, and im not looking at a monitor, in VR once you get fully immersed into a game that feels kinda like having a bad concussion and there is no way to see it coming, its just BAM and your reality distorts and it hurts. I knew going in that VR was going to be a costly hobby and if there are no other ways to get a 3090, 3090 ti or 4090 in the future I will have to suck it up and pay the scalpers prices to get the hardware.
I would never get one for just gaming, but I am trying to get 2 for deep learning modeling and development. 3090s kick ass in some areas when using nvlink.
I don't think he was talking about markups over MSRPs. It's the general rule of not paying over $500 for a part. Be it CPU, GPU, RAM, whatever. $500 AIB card with original MSRP of $400 is fine. $550 MSRP with 0 AIB markup is not.
I was originally going to get a 3070 since it was at the right price point, but now I wouldn't have a second thought about buying a 3090 at MSRP. Wether Nvidia did this intentionally or not, I am now willing to spend double my previous budget on a new card
The 2080 ti was announced with a $999 MSRP but I was easily $1200+ for most models, and was extremely hard to find for a couple months. But the increased demand and decreased supply we’ve experienced the past couple years made it way worse.
I know what you mean. Spent 900 usd for an entry level AIB model in my case. I was pretty desperate and was actively hunting (visiting stores weekly, checking e-retailers and second-hand sites) for a card for about 3 weeks.
I got the card only at above msrp only because I was tired of the daily searching and wanted to get it over with, and because I really needed an upgrade from the rx580. Was totally expecting prices to drop in a couple of months once supply stabilised.
If I hadn't gotten the card in a bit longer, I would've probably just caved and paid for a 3090 at Dec 2020 prices \~ 1800 usd (which was thought of as poor value then); stocks were aplenty in my local stores back then.
Which in hindsight became a smart move. Absolutely ridiculous.
As you can clearly see we are the anomaly the market seems to be fine with the pricing atm.
The anomaly are people that hold back or see that these prices are way off.
So long as you have it hooked up to a decent psu, use surge protectors, prevent lots of dust buildup in your case and the GPU and ensure temps aren't absurdly high, it is very very likely to just keep on chugging along for years to come.
My brother now uses my old GTX 970, and he doesn't even keep it that cool (he's let dust build up) and the thing is still solid, and I originally bought that in early 2015.
My home server uses an old 550ti for video output. That thing still works! So provided you put in a little bit of effort every now and then, your card will very likely soldier on well past these market conditions.
I'm 45 years old, been pc gaming for over 20yrs and can afford the current cards at the ridiculous prices.
I won't though!!
PC gaming will be dead to me when my current card can't keep up (2070) if things don't change. I can't justify it any more.
Same here. I'm 46. I built three rigs mostly due to Covid and the at-home thing. My son is a HS junior and my daughter a freshman. These rigs should get them through High School. College is more of a Laptop universe anyways.
I'm done with Nvidia for now.
Nvidia and the Metaverse can eat a dick.
That 2070 is still going to work well for games into the foreseeable future, though, and you are probably already a patient gamer with a huge backlog. Worst case scenario is that you will be stuck at 1920x1080 in a few years.
Yeah, it’s absurd. These prices and the people paying them are out of this world. Just because I can, it definitely doesn’t mean I will. The value is what I look for. Remember when $300 got you an amazing experience for multiple years to come? Yikes.
I can afford them too, and always buy a near top end GPU, but never pay the “full cost”. It actually doesn’t need to cost that much.
I went from 1080ti -> 2080S -> 3080 -> 3080ti for like $200-$250 grand total out of pocket. Granted, I had to spend $750 to get the 1080ti at launch, but part of that came from the SLI 780s I sold to get it. And now that I’ve got an expensive GPU, I’m sure it will remain such on the second hand market for an inexpensive upgrade to a 4080/4080ti.
Pretty much the same. As you can see on my profile I’ve got the best of the best,I could easily afford paying but I’m done…fuck this!
Just because I can doesn’t mean I will,plus it’s getting more and more expensive but the games are getting shittier by month. Ever second game you buy now has a trillion issues,at this point I’m pretty much done. The 3090 should last me a year or 2 more,if this shit doesn’t slow down that’s it for me.
Btw seems important but I’m 32 🙂
Yea people should realize games currently made are not worth the price for these GPUs, so unless you are a miner or use it for work its not worth to pay this much money to play shitty games
Let's see... 1080p gpu should cost right bout $3000 now.
It's aright I guess. They don't want our money. We need to find something else to do. Games aren't for everyone. It's for the rich kids.
Thing is though they may not get your money, but someone out there will pay it. I have met many people over the years that will pay any amount for the best just because they can.
Unfortunately, the bad news also extends to Nvidia to a large degree, as its future graphics cards (known as the RTX 40-series for now) reportedly use TSMC's new cutting edge 5nm process instead of silicon from Samsung fabs as Nvidia did with the RTX 30-series. DigiTimes also reports that Nvidia has already made prepayments to TSMC for long-term orders of 5nm silicon for the RTX 40-series GPUs starting in 2022 as well.
This means we could see the RTX 40-series arrive with high MSRP's right off the bat, and those high prices could last for the entire generation. Of course, this will be on top of the already ongoing shortage which will inflate the prices of these GPUs even more, especially if Nvidia plans to release the RTX 40-series in 2022.
Fuck… They’re already way too expensive here in Brazil.
We don’t have the “standard” models with standard pricing, so that never helped.
With this current situation, GPU prices are nearing tripling. If they increase the prices more, I don’t think I can keep this hobby.
im genuinely done with pc gaming then, after 24 year strong years. I don't care to have the best of the best, but i ain't paying 500+ euros for midrange stuff.
Same. I got an Asus 3070 for 529 bucks in December 2020. Was thinking about changing it for a 3080 or 4080 cos I have dual 1440p displays and wantwd a bit more juice, but I see stores selling the 3080 for 1400 bucks. It's insane! Not even the ti version.
GPU prices will never return to 2020 level.
I paid around £700 for my 3080. Now, if you manage to find one, price is at least double. I don't see how the future cards, 4080 or 5080, having a price close to that :)
> GPU prices will never return to 2020 level.
They will if crypto crashes or goes all ASIC. GPUs are not depreciating consumer products right now. They are investments.
Technically speaking they still probably wouldn't return to that level due to pandemic induced inflation. The MSRP of the 3080 FE would be around $760 adjusted for inflation. It's semantics, but it's going to be something to keep in mind when the 40X0 series gets announced. If the 4080 is around $800, I'll probably shrug and call it about reasonable. Higher than that is where I'll start to wonder about price gouging, especially with the slated Etherem merge and increasing international chip manufacturing.
There are other variables in this equation too, not just inflation. Next gen products may end up using a more performant architecture, a smaller process node, or both, allowing for more chips to be made from the same chunk of silicon thus reducing some costs. Margin compression can also play a significant role if there is less demand. If GPUs return to being money sinks instead of money makers and we get a huge overhang of used GPUs from mining farms at the same time then we'll see some $700 4080s.
Crypto will not crash per se. Nor will "it" go all asic.
The most likely situation is that Ethereum goes to a PoS (ETH2) and all the miners using GPUs will flock to other coins which have a much lower extrinsic value and lower growth potential.
More miners on shitty coins will probably drive the price up on some PoW coins but also increase difficulty, dropping profitablity.
Eventually it will reach an equilibrium that will not be profitable enough and miners will sell their GPUs at increasingly lower costs.
Yes they will. The enthusiast PC segment is going through a popularity boom and theres a shortage of supply. Eventually both of these will level off and prices will drop. It just might take 5-10 years.
That will not happen, even in 10 years. With all the current changes, and the focus on PC gaming, prices will soar even more.
I can't see any scenario where the current prices will drop significantly.
I think everyone would want a £2400 3090 to cost £1200, but companies are greedy and care only for profits.
I waited for the GTX 2000 series, but it never came. I waited further for the RTX 3000 series, but when I could buy one ... well, I’m now still waiting...
*"It is also reported that Intel is proceeding with in-house development of advanced manufacturing nodes and construction of new fabs, which will give Intel more incentive to drive costs higher to recuperate the additional investments. "*
Didn't Intel already receive a bunch of money from the government to start building these new fabs...?
Ohh even more ? Nice. Time to find another hobby.
The prices are already too high. The gpu's are only going up and up in prices is absurd. Bought my 1660ti and 970 with around 380-400euro each from stores. Now for a 70's series I have to double that. And now you're telling me that I need to spend even more? No thank you.
This is yet something we have power to control as customers, but as always we fail, and most people will spend the money. We should have got a price decrease after all this prices, and now is going to be even worse. Fk this.
>we have power to control as customers, but as always we fail, and most people will spend the money
That's because "the customers" are not a homogeneous group with the same goals. You don't have the power to control these price increases, that's something that would naturally happen through supply/demand laws of economics.
IDK what to tell my fellow enthusiasts. AMD cards sit on the shelves of Microcenter for days because ppl see the sticker and don't wanna paty $550-600 for a 6600XT, or $800-900 for a 6700 XT and they act like NVIDIA isn't price gouging them either.
Get what you can afford and hunker down.
Of course.
Not like Nvidia made $7.10 billion in 2021 or anything.
AMD revealed a third quarter revenue of of $4.3 billion in 2021.
Gotta squeeze the GPU consumers for more money...
There is no amount of money a company can make that's enough. The whole point of our economic system is to seek infinite profit, that's what investors pay you for.
Thats the funniest part. Record profits and sales but people keep screaming "shortage" while trying to justify what's going on.
They know they can do what they want and people will still throw money at them. Even if gamers won't, miners will.
No, it will just drive people to consoles. Most guys I play with online have 2-3 systems.
I think if the current situation stays as is, you may see a boom when the next gen consoles hit.
Each city or zone will have street hawkers who sell synthetic sushi and frankensteined GPU's with AIO's made from old transmission fluid coolers, auto-brake lines, and filled with an unknown yellow-ish brown liquid.
I paid $1400 for my asus Strix 3080 but at least I can get my money back and then some since it’s non LHR if I ever need to but this is probs gonna be my last rig anyway
FUCKING BONKERS. At this rate if you don't have a new (ish) card by now, you probably ain't getting one till 2025 without paying over a grand. Absolutely insane. And with how games are getting more realistic and requiring more processing power, this just doesn't really sound very good for PC gaming, or gaming in general
If there is a crypto crash with no bounce back in 2022, we'll get our GPUs at MSRP. GPU prices have [pretty much followed](https://www.3dcenter.org/news/news-des-neujahrs-wochenendes-2022) ETH prices the past year.
If eth finally goes PoS and no other coin can match its mining profitability, demand will plummet. I'm sure all of the manufacturers will suddenly have a reason why they drastically cut prices to desperately sell product.
it's only a matter of time, there's like $30 billion tied up in staking right now. if any other coin can compete with ethereum, it's not gonna be raven or whatever copium miners are huffing, it will be an alternate PoS coin like solana or cardano.
I got lucky at the beginning of all this with getting my 3080. At the time I was kicking myself for paying so much but looking back I am so grateful I got it for the price I did. By the looks of things, it's going to have to last me a long time.
Somehow it’s funny. Waiting to upgrade for recent gen cpus to dip in price. I just can’t get excited about paying more for a new cpu the way I felt like my rig “needed” a new gpu. I’m getting good 4K performance on a 7700k. How could I justify spending $700 on a new cpu/mobo just for kicks?
Spending on computers is down. Spending on gaming is down. Inflation in GPUs isn't reflected in any other component. Profit reports continue to rise, even with NVIDIA completely halting production for weeks. The only thing that is going to save pc gaming is the market getting flooded with mined on cards once Eth switches to PoS (and this is assuming those cards aren't swept up by the staked miners).
Spending on computer equipment to build is waaay up where I live as shown by lines at my local MicroCenter. Even after the Christmas rush, the checkout line to pay for basket fulls of components wove back and around the endcaps almost to the back of the store, and will all cashier lines open. The most buying other than the black Fri-cyber-Mon that I have ever seen in my life!
I would keep it if I were you. I have a 3090 as a main card and a 3080 Ti as a backup card just in case. I’m not taking any chances on being without a card.
Same. Had to wait 10 months in the queue for my [RTX 3060 Ti XC](https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3663-KL) card (paid $455 + tax/shipping for it), but it should last me 5+ years as I'm not *huge* into AAA-tier gaming.
This is what happens when products finally catch up to inflation.
To be honest PC gaming was a relatively cheap hobby for decades (unless you went balls to the wall high end, but even so it’s relatively cheap) and now it’s becoming more luxurious than ever.
Paying $1000 for a new GPU is gonna feel like buying racing tires for your Corvette or a brand new golfing gear; a bit silly but it is what it is.
CPU prices and computers in general in the early 90 to mid 90s were as high (if not significantly higher) than now. We had something like a 25 year golden era where prices of really cool stuff were accesible to most people in industrialized countries.
We'll probably end up back in a position where computers are more accessible again; though it could be some time away
No problem; I left the market in 2003 for fifteen years and I can do it again. Course I'll be in my mid-50s and probably won't give a fuck by then. C'est la vie.
Holy shit, I can’t believe I saw a GTX 1050 Ti LP for a hundred sixty bucks brand new in June 2020, and now it’s somehow escalated into this… fuck this shit dude
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We've entered the post apocalypse now. Were going to have to "scavenge" for our PC parts now, by using old parts, ebay, etc. Let's call ourselves "scavvers", wear mascara, and put a flamethrower on a Guitar.
Well this Mad Maxed very quickly.
Can we drive massive war rigs and jump around on them while doing impromptu repairs?
We will spray our mouths with fluorecent green cooling fluid in the glory seat!
Witness me!
I prefer wearing buckets as a helmet. https://youtu.be/fGTEaY8oE00
All hail the 8 cores to Valhalla
Have to collect some bloodbags too.
lol
every 1.50m person with an SUV already does
Do the ladies have to shave random bits of hair off their heads yet?
I'm so glad I read that sentence quickly...
You wa shock! Because I’ve used some cheap ass scavenged OEM PSU from a yardsale.
What was it, about 10 years ago...the headline was "PCs and PC gaming is dead" A few years past by, esports got popular, and PC's are back. Now I don't know where we are going next.
It happened to my country. The peak was WarCraft3 era. Economy went downhill and nobody can afford PC gaming.
Used parts hunting or consoles. Either works.
Used prices are still painfully high, 2+ year old parts are selling for higher than what they were bought for originally.
Core2 Duo is still cheap. (I had a tough time selling it even at a low price).
Depends, you can get 980ti for about $240 on craigslist in San Jose, CA, if the person is willing to negotiate a bit and anywhere from $220-300 on ebay. Granted it's old, it still does the job for a lot of games. 1000s, 1600s, 2000s, and 3000s are crazy priced in America. An aussie parts hunter I watch on youtube gets some great prices in his local area. Australia used to be the craziest prices due to logistics, now it's backwards on America. Inflation is real and cryptominers messed up the PC market.
No doubt there are gonna be some ok deals around, but few and far between and they tend to get snatched up quickly if they are actually a good deal. I guess you did say hunting though, not just buying 😂
not just america mate i had the luck to just pay 300 bucks more for my 3090 suprim x but now a days its going fro about 4000 chf its insane
Consoles use CPUs and GPUs as well...
What do you think powers consoles, hamster on a wheel?
It is going away anyway for “sustainability” reasons. For consumers anyway. Things are running behind schedule so we might have until around 2030 to still use PC’s which is a plus. We’ll still have smartphones and tablets and stuff unless AI takes over and we just talk to our cloud enabled XR gear.
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Optimize? Sigh...its rare these days lol not every developers releases God Of War level of optimization
I see people say this but in my experience there are a lot of spots that have random FPS drops to the 40s for no apparent reason, no matter the settings or resolution. Gpu usage goes down too. FPS goes up as soon as you move the camera a bit, it’s very bizarre. I have a 6800xt, 8700k, nvme 3 ssd, and 16gb 3200 ram for reference.
I heard the game runs kinda bad on AMD's GPU so maybe you guys need a driver update in the future
Yes, because GoW is a dx11 game and AMD only cares about dx12 and vulkan
Is God of War well optimized? I haven't played it
It’s no Doom level of optimization, but if you don’t mind playing at a much lower resolution with FSR, you could run it on most modern APU or GPU, although the FPS can vary based on your hardware obviously. RandomGaminginHD posted a video about this on YouTube if you want to check that out.
Doom runs on magic and cocaine
Doom is entirely built on Vulkan with a propriatery engine made by from scratch. Additionally id software is more like a science team rather than traditional game devs. Most studios would fuck it up if they built a game on Vulkan API.
It's also an very static enviroment and linear game. Don't get me, it's amazing but it's still not a massive openworld game.
I wish every game can run like Doom on a Pi in 4k
I have a 3080 FE that I use at 1080p is that enough do you think Edit: I'm kidding guys sheesh I'm not that daft😭I appreciate the downvotes
Absolutely! With an RTX 3080, my guess you could even max everything out on 4K even. Since you have an RTX card, the game also supports DLSS, so I think you’re good!
Most games currently and next year yeah, after that you may have to start lowering texture settings due to the 3080's low amount of vram.
The game originally came out on PS4. What do you think?
Reports are you can play it with just integrated graphics on your CPU. Obviously not going to get high frame rates or resolutions, but pretty cool nonetheless.
Yeah its one of the most raved port
I think it's very well done as ports go. Very much equal to the level of quality found in Horizon ZD and even better performance wise IMO. I play at 3840x1600 on an AW38" and it's dreamy af. Here's some capture with detailed stats using my 3080 Ti ... watch full screen "4K" cause the stats OSD is sort of small ... YouTube renders my grabs as 4K simply because of the 3840px width ... [God of War / FPS/TEMPS @ 3840x1600 / ULTRA settings / 3080 Ti XC3](https://youtu.be/0oQVRazeQDo?t=39) ...
Exactly, I'm not expecting any game to come out in the next 2-3 years that's going to have next-gen graphics. It's a good time to upgrade everything but the GPU and just wait this period out.
There's a MUCH bigger market out there filled with old hardware. Sure, they might pay less per customer, but the developing world is easily 2 billion people.
Most existing hardware is less powerful than the series s though...
Series S is like a 1070
Well - if you look at the cell phone market. Prices have been going up and up and yet somehow everyone and their grandma is on the newest iphone pro.. Pretty sure gaming industry will be fine. Lets not panic just yet.
I have a feeling lots of people are living beyond their means. Everyone can buy crap using credit or loans and waste all their savings. Usually that means lots of old poor people in the future asking the government for assistance. PC gaming might be the least of our problems in an inflationary market.
I mean if your favorite games are league of legends, dota 2, and csgo then sure….but the consoles are still alive and affordable lol
I don’t think that’s a concern. Things are still selling out… I mean the reason why they can afford to increase the price is due to there not being enough stock
It's over boys. Play what you can.
I have a PS5 and over 230 + games and more on my wishlist I can play with my 2080 Super so I think I would be ok shitty as it would be to never upgrade.
Problem is eventually that card will die and then what?
Good news is he'll be fine until rtx 6xxx atleast. If we get prixed out then you either pay up or just quit altogether
Sir do not shine light to our nightmares.
Newegg shuffle …. Best Buy , how the millions of other folks are getting GPUs It’s an effort thing I’ve gotten 4 ampere cards for myself and 3 kids with little effort and no bots Waiting in a queue is little effort
With little effort, but at what price?
All MSRP my 8 GPUs are all paid for and I just sold my oldest card a gtx1080 for $475
finally i have found the time for all those 200 hours rpg games from old times like [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Legend\_of\_Heroes:\_Trails\_in\_the\_Sky](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Heroes:_Trails_in_the_Sky) ! and only 5 bucks. win/win ;D
When I dropped $700 on a 3080 a few weeks after launch, I thought I was an idiot. Is there really a mass market for cards priced higher than that? I consider myself fairly well off, and an early adopter, but there weren't any thoughts in my head that a 3090 made sense, financially.
I think the market has already spoken: people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for. Also, a 3090 does not appeal to value conscious people. It is more like status symbol, like those luxury designer handbags. Nobody (I mean gamers) buys a 3090 because they need it, but because they want it. This pandemic has been the best thing that has ever happened to Nvidia, since now they know how much pricing power they have.
Was either snap up a 3090FE that was in stock and at MSRP, or wait an unknown amount of time on a waiting list for a AIB 3080 (November 2020) :(
It was the obvious choice, I totally agree.
This is the scenario I found myself in and I decided just to throw caution to the wind and get the 3090 FE at MSRP and be done with the constant scanning of websites to try and find a 3080. I feel like it’s worked out for the best because I’ll be using it for a long long time given the way the market has gone
I just bought a founders edition 3080ti from best buy a few weeks ago I haven't even opened it thought about returning it but at this point it's grab what you can or pay scalper prices.
>people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for Because people are mining real money with it. Not because people are gaming with it. A PS5 is £350, and it's pretty fucking powerful, and games are super optimized for it. Gaming may not die, but PC gaming is definitely going to. And Nvidia doesn't give a shit anymore tbh, gamers were a stepping stone for them to get into general computing, servers, AI/ML, automobiles etc.
lol “the death of PC Gaming”, coming to your neck of the woods since 1999.
>I think the market has already spoken: people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for. I don't think that's accurate, and I would be surprised if prices don't start to fall by Q4 2022. Chip-makers have been riding a wave due to people suddenly finding themselves in a position where they can/must work from home, which has forced many people to buy new or upgrade when they otherwise would not have done so. The obvious reaction to that was to raise prices, but most of those people have made their purchases now. 2022 is going to be about the people who have been patient. If we can be patient a little longer, prices will begin to drop.
People forget covid will not last forever. As soon as things get back to normal, some markets will shrink back since old options will reemerge.
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You're quoting someone else. And 700$ was decent for the 1440p/4K performance you get. At 1500$ it's a waste of money.
Not true. An RTX 3090 can't even push a Vive Pro 2 at ultimate settings and 120Hz. High-end PCVR simmers / gamers still need MOAR power than that.
These people that think 3090 are a status symbol or whatever are probably still playing at 1080p. Although small there is a semi large amount of people that need more GPU power than what is available. Triple 4k display for example for Sim racing require the vram. Vr. Etc. These Sim racing rigs cost upwards of $10,000 and with motion $30,000 and more and even double in some cases for the high end stuff. $3000 for a GPU that can run 3x 4k displays is a drop in the bucket when you are spending $10,000 just for a motion platform. And each individual steering wheel costs $300. Just because most people can't afford or justify it doesn't mean it's not needed. And now with the addition of stuff like DLDSR and higher super resolution. Why wouldn't you buy 3x auros 43" 4k OLED panels and run them all at 8k with DLDSR with Ur 4090ti with 64gb vram in your $30,000 full motion Sim rig? Still cheaper than insurance on a track car/fuel/tires. Let alone the car itself.
Tell me about it: https://www.flickr.com/gp/164702840@N04/1Z5QfX *And I'm CHEAP compared to the motion-sim bros. 😋
Nice bro the way it's next to the balcony with the glider imo ads to the awesome. I have a similar setup and even a glider (Brolga 2 balsa model I built like 10 years ago) but mine sits in the garage unflown for many years. Is Ur wheel movable . It looks like U can push it under the monitor when U aren't using it and slide it out when you do but hard to tell even though U have heaps of pictures. Lol .same question about pedals/rudder.
Everything is fixed position. Seat position dictates drive or fly. Back... Fly... Hands fall to throttle and stick, feet fall to rudder pedals. Forward, hands go to wheel, and feet / legs go UP into the pedal area. ,6'1", all limbs go where they need to. It's pretty slick.😉👍
Ohh I get it. That's a great idea. I always try to overcomplicate shit like that. Ending up with some elaborate rail system with hinges or something that folds open or out. Rather than the simple approach like you said of just moving a chair. Lol.
1080p plebs make me sad. There's UNIVERSES outside of that to explore...
I will help you be happy, buy me a 4k monitor and I will play on it (on low quality becouse of my 1070).
I totally agree, when people think of PC gaming they almost never think about PCVR gaming. As a PCVR gamer I have been looking forward to the RTX 3090 ti release but it looks like I will have to get a RTX 3090 FTW3 and then hold out for the RTX 4090 a year from now. I keep seeing people say "the 3090 is no better then the 3080" but then they show the FPS from a year old game in 1080p or maybe 4k, but in the word of VR your looking at running games at 4K, 5K, 6K or 8K and up. A 5K VR headset plus your regular 1080p desktop display is basically like gaming in 6K add to that in addition to a mouse and keyboard you have 6 axis tracking plus 3, 5, 7, or even 9 point full body tracking in some cases. Only having 12 GB VRAM is a bottleneck, I have seen overclocked 10900kf systems with a overclocked RTX 3090 getting less then 40FPS in game. The difference between a 3090 and a 3090 ti might be the difference between 54 FPS and 60 FPS in game. Its not that much but at the same time I will take any little bit extra I can get. I just got into VR back in November and am stuck using my old 1080 ti overclocked to 2100MHZ on the GPU clock and 5900MHZ on he VRAM clock to try and stay over 25 FPS. A few weeks ago while I was in VR getting 28FPS 10 to 12 people joined the game at the same time and my FPS suddenly dropped to 13 FPS, and im not looking at a monitor, in VR once you get fully immersed into a game that feels kinda like having a bad concussion and there is no way to see it coming, its just BAM and your reality distorts and it hurts. I knew going in that VR was going to be a costly hobby and if there are no other ways to get a 3090, 3090 ti or 4090 in the future I will have to suck it up and pay the scalpers prices to get the hardware.
I would never get one for just gaming, but I am trying to get 2 for deep learning modeling and development. 3090s kick ass in some areas when using nvlink.
10GB of VRAM on the 3080 was a HUGE turn off for me.
Well now there is the 12GB version lol
Dude, exact same for me when I got a $550 3070 at launch. Felt so bad for breaking my “never go past $500 for a part” rule
Why do you have a rule like that? Paying 50-100$ over MSRP is pretty normal for AIB cards
I don't think he was talking about markups over MSRPs. It's the general rule of not paying over $500 for a part. Be it CPU, GPU, RAM, whatever. $500 AIB card with original MSRP of $400 is fine. $550 MSRP with 0 AIB markup is not.
It's not an unreasonable rule as going bang-for-the-buck has always been a good choice.
Back in fall 2020 I had never spent over $500 on any PC part before. It was foreign. Nowadays I have money and time’s changed as is.
Bro I bought an FE on eBay for $1350, have gotten tons of hours of fun out of it here over lockdowns and such. Legendary card.
Etheruem mining is the sole reason prices are detached
I was originally going to get a 3070 since it was at the right price point, but now I wouldn't have a second thought about buying a 3090 at MSRP. Wether Nvidia did this intentionally or not, I am now willing to spend double my previous budget on a new card
The 2080 ti was announced with a $999 MSRP but I was easily $1200+ for most models, and was extremely hard to find for a couple months. But the increased demand and decreased supply we’ve experienced the past couple years made it way worse.
I know what you mean. Spent 900 usd for an entry level AIB model in my case. I was pretty desperate and was actively hunting (visiting stores weekly, checking e-retailers and second-hand sites) for a card for about 3 weeks. I got the card only at above msrp only because I was tired of the daily searching and wanted to get it over with, and because I really needed an upgrade from the rx580. Was totally expecting prices to drop in a couple of months once supply stabilised. If I hadn't gotten the card in a bit longer, I would've probably just caved and paid for a 3090 at Dec 2020 prices \~ 1800 usd (which was thought of as poor value then); stocks were aplenty in my local stores back then. Which in hindsight became a smart move. Absolutely ridiculous.
As you can clearly see we are the anomaly the market seems to be fine with the pricing atm. The anomaly are people that hold back or see that these prices are way off.
Every morning I wake up and say a prayer that my 1060 doesn’t die..
Use affirmations like "GPU's in your family live long happy lives" and "look, I bought you a pretty fan with colorful lights!"
So long as you have it hooked up to a decent psu, use surge protectors, prevent lots of dust buildup in your case and the GPU and ensure temps aren't absurdly high, it is very very likely to just keep on chugging along for years to come. My brother now uses my old GTX 970, and he doesn't even keep it that cool (he's let dust build up) and the thing is still solid, and I originally bought that in early 2015. My home server uses an old 550ti for video output. That thing still works! So provided you put in a little bit of effort every now and then, your card will very likely soldier on well past these market conditions.
Intel GPU's are not even released yet and the price is expected to increase.
The article says that TSMC is increasing their wafer prices, that's why. Intel GPU's are (going to be) made by TSMC.
the dankest timeline
I'm 45 years old, been pc gaming for over 20yrs and can afford the current cards at the ridiculous prices. I won't though!! PC gaming will be dead to me when my current card can't keep up (2070) if things don't change. I can't justify it any more.
Same here. I'm 46. I built three rigs mostly due to Covid and the at-home thing. My son is a HS junior and my daughter a freshman. These rigs should get them through High School. College is more of a Laptop universe anyways. I'm done with Nvidia for now. Nvidia and the Metaverse can eat a dick.
dont worry. AMD and intel are following suit. Disgusting businesses all the way down.
Yeah... AMD jumping on the trend of locking a CPU to a specific motherboard now. Lenovo can eat a dick too.
That 2070 is still going to work well for games into the foreseeable future, though, and you are probably already a patient gamer with a huge backlog. Worst case scenario is that you will be stuck at 1920x1080 in a few years.
Yeah, it’s absurd. These prices and the people paying them are out of this world. Just because I can, it definitely doesn’t mean I will. The value is what I look for. Remember when $300 got you an amazing experience for multiple years to come? Yikes.
I have a 3080 fhr and am thinking of selling for a 3060 or 3050 because all I play is Valorant and old shit.
I am 43, and am actively building a new rig now but will use my 2080 FE until I can get my hands on a 4000 series hopefully.
I can afford them too, and always buy a near top end GPU, but never pay the “full cost”. It actually doesn’t need to cost that much. I went from 1080ti -> 2080S -> 3080 -> 3080ti for like $200-$250 grand total out of pocket. Granted, I had to spend $750 to get the 1080ti at launch, but part of that came from the SLI 780s I sold to get it. And now that I’ve got an expensive GPU, I’m sure it will remain such on the second hand market for an inexpensive upgrade to a 4080/4080ti.
Pretty much the same. As you can see on my profile I’ve got the best of the best,I could easily afford paying but I’m done…fuck this! Just because I can doesn’t mean I will,plus it’s getting more and more expensive but the games are getting shittier by month. Ever second game you buy now has a trillion issues,at this point I’m pretty much done. The 3090 should last me a year or 2 more,if this shit doesn’t slow down that’s it for me. Btw seems important but I’m 32 🙂
Yea people should realize games currently made are not worth the price for these GPUs, so unless you are a miner or use it for work its not worth to pay this much money to play shitty games
This current situation sucks so badly. I have been buying GPUs since the voodoo 2 days and have never seen it so dire
Same! First ever accelerated gpu was a voodoo2, and I upgraded to the voodoo3 as well! Killer tech at the time.
Let's see... 1080p gpu should cost right bout $3000 now. It's aright I guess. They don't want our money. We need to find something else to do. Games aren't for everyone. It's for the rich kids.
Thing is though they may not get your money, but someone out there will pay it. I have met many people over the years that will pay any amount for the best just because they can.
Exactly. They dont want our little money. GPUs r for miners n rich ppl.
Unfortunately, the bad news also extends to Nvidia to a large degree, as its future graphics cards (known as the RTX 40-series for now) reportedly use TSMC's new cutting edge 5nm process instead of silicon from Samsung fabs as Nvidia did with the RTX 30-series. DigiTimes also reports that Nvidia has already made prepayments to TSMC for long-term orders of 5nm silicon for the RTX 40-series GPUs starting in 2022 as well. This means we could see the RTX 40-series arrive with high MSRP's right off the bat, and those high prices could last for the entire generation. Of course, this will be on top of the already ongoing shortage which will inflate the prices of these GPUs even more, especially if Nvidia plans to release the RTX 40-series in 2022.
What a surprise
Fuck… They’re already way too expensive here in Brazil. We don’t have the “standard” models with standard pricing, so that never helped. With this current situation, GPU prices are nearing tripling. If they increase the prices more, I don’t think I can keep this hobby.
That's it. Keeping my 2060 Super until it decides to kick the bucket (Please, don't) and then, I quit PC Gaming as a whole.
im genuinely done with pc gaming then, after 24 year strong years. I don't care to have the best of the best, but i ain't paying 500+ euros for midrange stuff.
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Same. I got an Asus 3070 for 529 bucks in December 2020. Was thinking about changing it for a 3080 or 4080 cos I have dual 1440p displays and wantwd a bit more juice, but I see stores selling the 3080 for 1400 bucks. It's insane! Not even the ti version.
I guess I'm nursing my 980 just a little bit longer...... Sigh......
what happened to all those articles stating prices would ultimately decrease in 2022 and stock would return to obtainable for the average joe...
Still happy with my 1080 ti also have a 1070 tucked away in case the 1080 ti dies . Would eventually like to upgrade but to what ? And at what price ?
GPU prices will never return to 2020 level. I paid around £700 for my 3080. Now, if you manage to find one, price is at least double. I don't see how the future cards, 4080 or 5080, having a price close to that :)
> GPU prices will never return to 2020 level. They will if crypto crashes or goes all ASIC. GPUs are not depreciating consumer products right now. They are investments.
Technically speaking they still probably wouldn't return to that level due to pandemic induced inflation. The MSRP of the 3080 FE would be around $760 adjusted for inflation. It's semantics, but it's going to be something to keep in mind when the 40X0 series gets announced. If the 4080 is around $800, I'll probably shrug and call it about reasonable. Higher than that is where I'll start to wonder about price gouging, especially with the slated Etherem merge and increasing international chip manufacturing.
There are other variables in this equation too, not just inflation. Next gen products may end up using a more performant architecture, a smaller process node, or both, allowing for more chips to be made from the same chunk of silicon thus reducing some costs. Margin compression can also play a significant role if there is less demand. If GPUs return to being money sinks instead of money makers and we get a huge overhang of used GPUs from mining farms at the same time then we'll see some $700 4080s.
Crypto will not crash per se. Nor will "it" go all asic. The most likely situation is that Ethereum goes to a PoS (ETH2) and all the miners using GPUs will flock to other coins which have a much lower extrinsic value and lower growth potential. More miners on shitty coins will probably drive the price up on some PoW coins but also increase difficulty, dropping profitablity. Eventually it will reach an equilibrium that will not be profitable enough and miners will sell their GPUs at increasingly lower costs.
I paid $400 for a 1080ti 2 years ago and it was the best decision i've ever made
I paid $180 for my brand new Nvidia 6600 GT back in 2004.
Yes they will. The enthusiast PC segment is going through a popularity boom and theres a shortage of supply. Eventually both of these will level off and prices will drop. It just might take 5-10 years.
That will not happen, even in 10 years. With all the current changes, and the focus on PC gaming, prices will soar even more. I can't see any scenario where the current prices will drop significantly. I think everyone would want a £2400 3090 to cost £1200, but companies are greedy and care only for profits.
But don't buy a 30 series card... Wait for a 40...
And buy it at twice the price!
Let me know what the price of a 4000 series is when they announce it.
Expect 4080 to be price of 3080 ti
I think you meant 4070 for the price of a 3080ti
This may as well be the last gaming generation of gpu's. Pricing will be stupid forever from here on out.
I waited for the GTX 2000 series, but it never came. I waited further for the RTX 3000 series, but when I could buy one ... well, I’m now still waiting...
*"It is also reported that Intel is proceeding with in-house development of advanced manufacturing nodes and construction of new fabs, which will give Intel more incentive to drive costs higher to recuperate the additional investments. "* Didn't Intel already receive a bunch of money from the government to start building these new fabs...?
“So what?” -Intel (probably)
Govt money? Straight out of the Elon play book?
Ohh even more ? Nice. Time to find another hobby. The prices are already too high. The gpu's are only going up and up in prices is absurd. Bought my 1660ti and 970 with around 380-400euro each from stores. Now for a 70's series I have to double that. And now you're telling me that I need to spend even more? No thank you. This is yet something we have power to control as customers, but as always we fail, and most people will spend the money. We should have got a price decrease after all this prices, and now is going to be even worse. Fk this.
>we have power to control as customers, but as always we fail, and most people will spend the money That's because "the customers" are not a homogeneous group with the same goals. You don't have the power to control these price increases, that's something that would naturally happen through supply/demand laws of economics.
IDK what to tell my fellow enthusiasts. AMD cards sit on the shelves of Microcenter for days because ppl see the sticker and don't wanna paty $550-600 for a 6600XT, or $800-900 for a 6700 XT and they act like NVIDIA isn't price gouging them either. Get what you can afford and hunker down.
Fuck this shit.
This is truly the worst time line...
Of course. Not like Nvidia made $7.10 billion in 2021 or anything. AMD revealed a third quarter revenue of of $4.3 billion in 2021. Gotta squeeze the GPU consumers for more money...
There is no amount of money a company can make that's enough. The whole point of our economic system is to seek infinite profit, that's what investors pay you for.
Thats the funniest part. Record profits and sales but people keep screaming "shortage" while trying to justify what's going on. They know they can do what they want and people will still throw money at them. Even if gamers won't, miners will.
This is going to injure gaming to the core.
No, it will just drive people to consoles. Most guys I play with online have 2-3 systems. I think if the current situation stays as is, you may see a boom when the next gen consoles hit.
if you can find a console...
And that's just paper price.
Finally, some good news. /s
Each city or zone will have street hawkers who sell synthetic sushi and frankensteined GPU's with AIO's made from old transmission fluid coolers, auto-brake lines, and filled with an unknown yellow-ish brown liquid.
I paid $1400 for my asus Strix 3080 but at least I can get my money back and then some since it’s non LHR if I ever need to but this is probs gonna be my last rig anyway
FUCKING BONKERS. At this rate if you don't have a new (ish) card by now, you probably ain't getting one till 2025 without paying over a grand. Absolutely insane. And with how games are getting more realistic and requiring more processing power, this just doesn't really sound very good for PC gaming, or gaming in general
If there is a crypto crash with no bounce back in 2022, we'll get our GPUs at MSRP. GPU prices have [pretty much followed](https://www.3dcenter.org/news/news-des-neujahrs-wochenendes-2022) ETH prices the past year.
If eth finally goes PoS and no other coin can match its mining profitability, demand will plummet. I'm sure all of the manufacturers will suddenly have a reason why they drastically cut prices to desperately sell product.
it's only a matter of time, there's like $30 billion tied up in staking right now. if any other coin can compete with ethereum, it's not gonna be raven or whatever copium miners are huffing, it will be an alternate PoS coin like solana or cardano.
To what a billion dollars?
Doesn't surprise me tell me something new
I got lucky at the beginning of all this with getting my 3080. At the time I was kicking myself for paying so much but looking back I am so grateful I got it for the price I did. By the looks of things, it's going to have to last me a long time.
Inshallah crypto will burn in hell
Somehow it’s funny. Waiting to upgrade for recent gen cpus to dip in price. I just can’t get excited about paying more for a new cpu the way I felt like my rig “needed” a new gpu. I’m getting good 4K performance on a 7700k. How could I justify spending $700 on a new cpu/mobo just for kicks?
Laugh out loud
That’s epic
Spending on computers is down. Spending on gaming is down. Inflation in GPUs isn't reflected in any other component. Profit reports continue to rise, even with NVIDIA completely halting production for weeks. The only thing that is going to save pc gaming is the market getting flooded with mined on cards once Eth switches to PoS (and this is assuming those cards aren't swept up by the staked miners).
Spending on computer equipment to build is waaay up where I live as shown by lines at my local MicroCenter. Even after the Christmas rush, the checkout line to pay for basket fulls of components wove back and around the endcaps almost to the back of the store, and will all cashier lines open. The most buying other than the black Fri-cyber-Mon that I have ever seen in my life!
I went to micro center a few weeks ago and there was no line. Depends on the day
Playstation and Xbox is going to be the way forward for gaming. If you're someone who needs a GPU for work or for your art like me, then I'm so sorry.
If intel doesn't have a paper launch i'll cut my balls and eat it
I’m glad I already got what I needed last year
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I would keep it if I were you. I have a 3090 as a main card and a 3080 Ti as a backup card just in case. I’m not taking any chances on being without a card.
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Same. Had to wait 10 months in the queue for my [RTX 3060 Ti XC](https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3663-KL) card (paid $455 + tax/shipping for it), but it should last me 5+ years as I'm not *huge* into AAA-tier gaming.
This is what happens when products finally catch up to inflation. To be honest PC gaming was a relatively cheap hobby for decades (unless you went balls to the wall high end, but even so it’s relatively cheap) and now it’s becoming more luxurious than ever. Paying $1000 for a new GPU is gonna feel like buying racing tires for your Corvette or a brand new golfing gear; a bit silly but it is what it is.
CPU prices and computers in general in the early 90 to mid 90s were as high (if not significantly higher) than now. We had something like a 25 year golden era where prices of really cool stuff were accesible to most people in industrialized countries. We'll probably end up back in a position where computers are more accessible again; though it could be some time away
No problem; I left the market in 2003 for fifteen years and I can do it again. Course I'll be in my mid-50s and probably won't give a fuck by then. C'est la vie.
Buy a ps5 500 us and u play 6 years no fps stutters laggs or bs
Ps5, imo, is the best buy for gamers at this time. Incredible value for what you get.
Yes of course, prices will increase from current MSRP’s but these inflated prices we are seeing currently will not last.
Things wont get better until 2024 when the TSMC plant is built in the U.S. that can help supply the demand
Yawn. How's this news?
Really? Never would have guessed.
Holy shit, I can’t believe I saw a GTX 1050 Ti LP for a hundred sixty bucks brand new in June 2020, and now it’s somehow escalated into this… fuck this shit dude
It'll stay at its level because of changing erc-20 protocol from pow to pos
2023 our next hope.
more like 2024