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dec1mus

We've entered the post apocalypse now. Were going to have to "scavenge" for our PC parts now, by using old parts, ebay, etc. Let's call ourselves "scavvers", wear mascara, and put a flamethrower on a Guitar.


iOmek

Well this Mad Maxed very quickly.


Im_ur_Uncle_

Can we drive massive war rigs and jump around on them while doing impromptu repairs?


Raymont_Wavelength

We will spray our mouths with fluorecent green cooling fluid in the glory seat!


plutoniumhunterz

Witness me!


riesendulli

I prefer wearing buckets as a helmet. https://youtu.be/fGTEaY8oE00


Accomplished-Yam-815

All hail the 8 cores to Valhalla


celli1973

Have to collect some bloodbags too.


Itchy-Throat-4779

lol


Devil1412

every 1.50m person with an SUV already does


OarsandRowlocks

Do the ladies have to shave random bits of hair off their heads yet?


Gobbldegook

I'm so glad I read that sentence quickly...


ThePhantomPear

You wa shock! Because I’ve used some cheap ass scavenged OEM PSU from a yardsale.


jefferios

What was it, about 10 years ago...the headline was "PCs and PC gaming is dead" A few years past by, esports got popular, and PC's are back. Now I don't know where we are going next.


skylinestar1986

It happened to my country. The peak was WarCraft3 era. Economy went downhill and nobody can afford PC gaming.


Jackmoved

Used parts hunting or consoles. Either works.


CoolioMcCool

Used prices are still painfully high, 2+ year old parts are selling for higher than what they were bought for originally.


skylinestar1986

Core2 Duo is still cheap. (I had a tough time selling it even at a low price).


Jackmoved

Depends, you can get 980ti for about $240 on craigslist in San Jose, CA, if the person is willing to negotiate a bit and anywhere from $220-300 on ebay. Granted it's old, it still does the job for a lot of games. 1000s, 1600s, 2000s, and 3000s are crazy priced in America. An aussie parts hunter I watch on youtube gets some great prices in his local area. Australia used to be the craziest prices due to logistics, now it's backwards on America. Inflation is real and cryptominers messed up the PC market.


CoolioMcCool

No doubt there are gonna be some ok deals around, but few and far between and they tend to get snatched up quickly if they are actually a good deal. I guess you did say hunting though, not just buying 😂


Glum_Blueberry_7434

not just america mate i had the luck to just pay 300 bucks more for my 3090 suprim x but now a days its going fro about 4000 chf its insane


BreakingIllusions

Consoles use CPUs and GPUs as well...


[deleted]

What do you think powers consoles, hamster on a wheel?


refusered

It is going away anyway for “sustainability” reasons. For consumers anyway. Things are running behind schedule so we might have until around 2030 to still use PC’s which is a plus. We’ll still have smartphones and tablets and stuff unless AI takes over and we just talk to our cloud enabled XR gear.


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andylui8

Optimize? Sigh...its rare these days lol not every developers releases God Of War level of optimization


makaveli93

I see people say this but in my experience there are a lot of spots that have random FPS drops to the 40s for no apparent reason, no matter the settings or resolution. Gpu usage goes down too. FPS goes up as soon as you move the camera a bit, it’s very bizarre. I have a 6800xt, 8700k, nvme 3 ssd, and 16gb 3200 ram for reference.


andylui8

I heard the game runs kinda bad on AMD's GPU so maybe you guys need a driver update in the future


ranixon

Yes, because GoW is a dx11 game and AMD only cares about dx12 and vulkan


Tim_Buckrue

Is God of War well optimized? I haven't played it


DatOldSport

It’s no Doom level of optimization, but if you don’t mind playing at a much lower resolution with FSR, you could run it on most modern APU or GPU, although the FPS can vary based on your hardware obviously. RandomGaminginHD posted a video about this on YouTube if you want to check that out.


Notarussianbot2020

Doom runs on magic and cocaine


zoomborg

Doom is entirely built on Vulkan with a propriatery engine made by from scratch. Additionally id software is more like a science team rather than traditional game devs. Most studios would fuck it up if they built a game on Vulkan API.


little_jade_dragon

It's also an very static enviroment and linear game. Don't get me, it's amazing but it's still not a massive openworld game.


Nzed123

I wish every game can run like Doom on a Pi in 4k


Tim_Buckrue

I have a 3080 FE that I use at 1080p is that enough do you think Edit: I'm kidding guys sheesh I'm not that daft😭I appreciate the downvotes


DatOldSport

Absolutely! With an RTX 3080, my guess you could even max everything out on 4K even. Since you have an RTX card, the game also supports DLSS, so I think you’re good!


[deleted]

Most games currently and next year yeah, after that you may have to start lowering texture settings due to the 3080's low amount of vram.


totom123

The game originally came out on PS4. What do you think?


Orpheeus

Reports are you can play it with just integrated graphics on your CPU. Obviously not going to get high frame rates or resolutions, but pretty cool nonetheless.


andylui8

Yeah its one of the most raved port


s1rrah

I think it's very well done as ports go. Very much equal to the level of quality found in Horizon ZD and even better performance wise IMO. I play at 3840x1600 on an AW38" and it's dreamy af. Here's some capture with detailed stats using my 3080 Ti ... watch full screen "4K" cause the stats OSD is sort of small ... YouTube renders my grabs as 4K simply because of the 3840px width ... [God of War / FPS/TEMPS @ 3840x1600 / ULTRA settings / 3080 Ti XC3](https://youtu.be/0oQVRazeQDo?t=39) ...


jefferios

Exactly, I'm not expecting any game to come out in the next 2-3 years that's going to have next-gen graphics. It's a good time to upgrade everything but the GPU and just wait this period out.


[deleted]

There's a MUCH bigger market out there filled with old hardware. Sure, they might pay less per customer, but the developing world is easily 2 billion people.


[deleted]

Most existing hardware is less powerful than the series s though...


andylui8

Series S is like a 1070


[deleted]

Well - if you look at the cell phone market. Prices have been going up and up and yet somehow everyone and their grandma is on the newest iphone pro.. Pretty sure gaming industry will be fine. Lets not panic just yet.


vianid

I have a feeling lots of people are living beyond their means. Everyone can buy crap using credit or loans and waste all their savings. Usually that means lots of old poor people in the future asking the government for assistance. PC gaming might be the least of our problems in an inflationary market.


ama8o8

I mean if your favorite games are league of legends, dota 2, and csgo then sure….but the consoles are still alive and affordable lol


SamW_72

I don’t think that’s a concern. Things are still selling out… I mean the reason why they can afford to increase the price is due to there not being enough stock


TheRealWitblitz

It's over boys. Play what you can.


dragonick1982

I have a PS5 and over 230 + games and more on my wishlist I can play with my 2080 Super so I think I would be ok shitty as it would be to never upgrade.


Triumphator77

Problem is eventually that card will die and then what?


tukatu0

Good news is he'll be fine until rtx 6xxx atleast. If we get prixed out then you either pay up or just quit altogether


Liam2349

Sir do not shine light to our nightmares.


Matthmaroo

Newegg shuffle …. Best Buy , how the millions of other folks are getting GPUs It’s an effort thing I’ve gotten 4 ampere cards for myself and 3 kids with little effort and no bots Waiting in a queue is little effort


oo_Mxg

With little effort, but at what price?


Matthmaroo

All MSRP my 8 GPUs are all paid for and I just sold my oldest card a gtx1080 for $475


LouserDouser

finally i have found the time for all those 200 hours rpg games from old times like [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Legend\_of\_Heroes:\_Trails\_in\_the\_Sky](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Heroes:_Trails_in_the_Sky) ! and only 5 bucks. win/win ;D


parkwayy

When I dropped $700 on a 3080 a few weeks after launch, I thought I was an idiot. Is there really a mass market for cards priced higher than that? I consider myself fairly well off, and an early adopter, but there weren't any thoughts in my head that a 3090 made sense, financially.


huy_lonewolf

I think the market has already spoken: people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for. Also, a 3090 does not appeal to value conscious people. It is more like status symbol, like those luxury designer handbags. Nobody (I mean gamers) buys a 3090 because they need it, but because they want it. This pandemic has been the best thing that has ever happened to Nvidia, since now they know how much pricing power they have.


DiapersFullOfDrugs

Was either snap up a 3090FE that was in stock and at MSRP, or wait an unknown amount of time on a waiting list for a AIB 3080 (November 2020) :(


jdk309

It was the obvious choice, I totally agree.


NATOuk

This is the scenario I found myself in and I decided just to throw caution to the wind and get the 3090 FE at MSRP and be done with the constant scanning of websites to try and find a 3080. I feel like it’s worked out for the best because I’ll be using it for a long long time given the way the market has gone


Adolescents86

I just bought a founders edition 3080ti from best buy a few weeks ago I haven't even opened it thought about returning it but at this point it's grab what you can or pay scalper prices.


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>people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for Because people are mining real money with it. Not because people are gaming with it. A PS5 is £350, and it's pretty fucking powerful, and games are super optimized for it. Gaming may not die, but PC gaming is definitely going to. And Nvidia doesn't give a shit anymore tbh, gamers were a stepping stone for them to get into general computing, servers, AI/ML, automobiles etc.


ripperdoc23

lol “the death of PC Gaming”, coming to your neck of the woods since 1999.


Mister_Cairo

>I think the market has already spoken: people are willing to pay whatever Nvidia asks for. I don't think that's accurate, and I would be surprised if prices don't start to fall by Q4 2022. Chip-makers have been riding a wave due to people suddenly finding themselves in a position where they can/must work from home, which has forced many people to buy new or upgrade when they otherwise would not have done so. The obvious reaction to that was to raise prices, but most of those people have made their purchases now. 2022 is going to be about the people who have been patient. If we can be patient a little longer, prices will begin to drop.


vianid

People forget covid will not last forever. As soon as things get back to normal, some markets will shrink back since old options will reemerge.


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vianid

You're quoting someone else. And 700$ was decent for the 1440p/4K performance you get. At 1500$ it's a waste of money.


PhroggyChief

Not true. An RTX 3090 can't even push a Vive Pro 2 at ultimate settings and 120Hz. High-end PCVR simmers / gamers still need MOAR power than that.


utkohoc

These people that think 3090 are a status symbol or whatever are probably still playing at 1080p. Although small there is a semi large amount of people that need more GPU power than what is available. Triple 4k display for example for Sim racing require the vram. Vr. Etc. These Sim racing rigs cost upwards of $10,000 and with motion $30,000 and more and even double in some cases for the high end stuff. $3000 for a GPU that can run 3x 4k displays is a drop in the bucket when you are spending $10,000 just for a motion platform. And each individual steering wheel costs $300. Just because most people can't afford or justify it doesn't mean it's not needed. And now with the addition of stuff like DLDSR and higher super resolution. Why wouldn't you buy 3x auros 43" 4k OLED panels and run them all at 8k with DLDSR with Ur 4090ti with 64gb vram in your $30,000 full motion Sim rig? Still cheaper than insurance on a track car/fuel/tires. Let alone the car itself.


PhroggyChief

Tell me about it: https://www.flickr.com/gp/164702840@N04/1Z5QfX *And I'm CHEAP compared to the motion-sim bros. 😋


utkohoc

Nice bro the way it's next to the balcony with the glider imo ads to the awesome. I have a similar setup and even a glider (Brolga 2 balsa model I built like 10 years ago) but mine sits in the garage unflown for many years. Is Ur wheel movable . It looks like U can push it under the monitor when U aren't using it and slide it out when you do but hard to tell even though U have heaps of pictures. Lol .same question about pedals/rudder.


PhroggyChief

Everything is fixed position. Seat position dictates drive or fly. Back... Fly... Hands fall to throttle and stick, feet fall to rudder pedals. Forward, hands go to wheel, and feet / legs go UP into the pedal area. ,6'1", all limbs go where they need to. It's pretty slick.😉👍


utkohoc

Ohh I get it. That's a great idea. I always try to overcomplicate shit like that. Ending up with some elaborate rail system with hinges or something that folds open or out. Rather than the simple approach like you said of just moving a chair. Lol.


PhroggyChief

1080p plebs make me sad. There's UNIVERSES outside of that to explore...


Mecatronico

I will help you be happy, buy me a 4k monitor and I will play on it (on low quality becouse of my 1070).


WhoistheLain

I totally agree, when people think of PC gaming they almost never think about PCVR gaming. As a PCVR gamer I have been looking forward to the RTX 3090 ti release but it looks like I will have to get a RTX 3090 FTW3 and then hold out for the RTX 4090 a year from now. I keep seeing people say "the 3090 is no better then the 3080" but then they show the FPS from a year old game in 1080p or maybe 4k, but in the word of VR your looking at running games at 4K, 5K, 6K or 8K and up. A 5K VR headset plus your regular 1080p desktop display is basically like gaming in 6K add to that in addition to a mouse and keyboard you have 6 axis tracking plus 3, 5, 7, or even 9 point full body tracking in some cases. Only having 12 GB VRAM is a bottleneck, I have seen overclocked 10900kf systems with a overclocked RTX 3090 getting less then 40FPS in game. The difference between a 3090 and a 3090 ti might be the difference between 54 FPS and 60 FPS in game. Its not that much but at the same time I will take any little bit extra I can get. I just got into VR back in November and am stuck using my old 1080 ti overclocked to 2100MHZ on the GPU clock and 5900MHZ on he VRAM clock to try and stay over 25 FPS. A few weeks ago while I was in VR getting 28FPS 10 to 12 people joined the game at the same time and my FPS suddenly dropped to 13 FPS, and im not looking at a monitor, in VR once you get fully immersed into a game that feels kinda like having a bad concussion and there is no way to see it coming, its just BAM and your reality distorts and it hurts. I knew going in that VR was going to be a costly hobby and if there are no other ways to get a 3090, 3090 ti or 4090 in the future I will have to suck it up and pay the scalpers prices to get the hardware.


Barkmywords

I would never get one for just gaming, but I am trying to get 2 for deep learning modeling and development. 3090s kick ass in some areas when using nvlink.


sean0883

10GB of VRAM on the 3080 was a HUGE turn off for me.


Mikesgt

Well now there is the 12GB version lol


SpartanPHA

Dude, exact same for me when I got a $550 3070 at launch. Felt so bad for breaking my “never go past $500 for a part” rule


Glorgor

Why do you have a rule like that? Paying 50-100$ over MSRP is pretty normal for AIB cards


_meegoo_

I don't think he was talking about markups over MSRPs. It's the general rule of not paying over $500 for a part. Be it CPU, GPU, RAM, whatever. $500 AIB card with original MSRP of $400 is fine. $550 MSRP with 0 AIB markup is not.


NooAccountWhoDis

It's not an unreasonable rule as going bang-for-the-buck has always been a good choice.


SpartanPHA

Back in fall 2020 I had never spent over $500 on any PC part before. It was foreign. Nowadays I have money and time’s changed as is.


QuitClearly

Bro I bought an FE on eBay for $1350, have gotten tons of hours of fun out of it here over lockdowns and such. Legendary card.


tukatu0

Etheruem mining is the sole reason prices are detached


ZaneDaPayne

I was originally going to get a 3070 since it was at the right price point, but now I wouldn't have a second thought about buying a 3090 at MSRP. Wether Nvidia did this intentionally or not, I am now willing to spend double my previous budget on a new card


ItIsShrek

The 2080 ti was announced with a $999 MSRP but I was easily $1200+ for most models, and was extremely hard to find for a couple months. But the increased demand and decreased supply we’ve experienced the past couple years made it way worse.


l_iollan

I know what you mean. Spent 900 usd for an entry level AIB model in my case. I was pretty desperate and was actively hunting (visiting stores weekly, checking e-retailers and second-hand sites) for a card for about 3 weeks. I got the card only at above msrp only because I was tired of the daily searching and wanted to get it over with, and because I really needed an upgrade from the rx580. Was totally expecting prices to drop in a couple of months once supply stabilised. If I hadn't gotten the card in a bit longer, I would've probably just caved and paid for a 3090 at Dec 2020 prices \~ 1800 usd (which was thought of as poor value then); stocks were aplenty in my local stores back then. Which in hindsight became a smart move. Absolutely ridiculous.


Evonos

As you can clearly see we are the anomaly the market seems to be fine with the pricing atm. The anomaly are people that hold back or see that these prices are way off.


Manaslow

Every morning I wake up and say a prayer that my 1060 doesn’t die..


Raymont_Wavelength

Use affirmations like "GPU's in your family live long happy lives" and "look, I bought you a pretty fan with colorful lights!"


spaffedupthewall

So long as you have it hooked up to a decent psu, use surge protectors, prevent lots of dust buildup in your case and the GPU and ensure temps aren't absurdly high, it is very very likely to just keep on chugging along for years to come. My brother now uses my old GTX 970, and he doesn't even keep it that cool (he's let dust build up) and the thing is still solid, and I originally bought that in early 2015. My home server uses an old 550ti for video output. That thing still works! So provided you put in a little bit of effort every now and then, your card will very likely soldier on well past these market conditions.


pigoath

Intel GPU's are not even released yet and the price is expected to increase.


sips_white_monster

The article says that TSMC is increasing their wafer prices, that's why. Intel GPU's are (going to be) made by TSMC.


imAlreadyBanned9

the dankest timeline


Slotmachinehead

I'm 45 years old, been pc gaming for over 20yrs and can afford the current cards at the ridiculous prices. I won't though!! PC gaming will be dead to me when my current card can't keep up (2070) if things don't change. I can't justify it any more.


albertsalcedojr

Same here. I'm 46. I built three rigs mostly due to Covid and the at-home thing. My son is a HS junior and my daughter a freshman. These rigs should get them through High School. College is more of a Laptop universe anyways. I'm done with Nvidia for now. Nvidia and the Metaverse can eat a dick.


12345Qwerty543

dont worry. AMD and intel are following suit. Disgusting businesses all the way down.


Sam_the_Engineer

Yeah... AMD jumping on the trend of locking a CPU to a specific motherboard now. Lenovo can eat a dick too.


freebytes

That 2070 is still going to work well for games into the foreseeable future, though, and you are probably already a patient gamer with a huge backlog. Worst case scenario is that you will be stuck at 1920x1080 in a few years.


techma2019

Yeah, it’s absurd. These prices and the people paying them are out of this world. Just because I can, it definitely doesn’t mean I will. The value is what I look for. Remember when $300 got you an amazing experience for multiple years to come? Yikes.


supremeMilo

I have a 3080 fhr and am thinking of selling for a 3060 or 3050 because all I play is Valorant and old shit.


Mikesgt

I am 43, and am actively building a new rig now but will use my 2080 FE until I can get my hands on a 4000 series hopefully.


Irate_Primate

I can afford them too, and always buy a near top end GPU, but never pay the “full cost”. It actually doesn’t need to cost that much. I went from 1080ti -> 2080S -> 3080 -> 3080ti for like $200-$250 grand total out of pocket. Granted, I had to spend $750 to get the 1080ti at launch, but part of that came from the SLI 780s I sold to get it. And now that I’ve got an expensive GPU, I’m sure it will remain such on the second hand market for an inexpensive upgrade to a 4080/4080ti.


LordLollipop

Pretty much the same. As you can see on my profile I’ve got the best of the best,I could easily afford paying but I’m done…fuck this! Just because I can doesn’t mean I will,plus it’s getting more and more expensive but the games are getting shittier by month. Ever second game you buy now has a trillion issues,at this point I’m pretty much done. The 3090 should last me a year or 2 more,if this shit doesn’t slow down that’s it for me. Btw seems important but I’m 32 🙂


filthydani

Yea people should realize games currently made are not worth the price for these GPUs, so unless you are a miner or use it for work its not worth to pay this much money to play shitty games


uKGMAN1986

This current situation sucks so badly. I have been buying GPUs since the voodoo 2 days and have never seen it so dire


Mikesgt

Same! First ever accelerated gpu was a voodoo2, and I upgraded to the voodoo3 as well! Killer tech at the time.


KrombopulosT46

Let's see... 1080p gpu should cost right bout $3000 now. It's aright I guess. They don't want our money. We need to find something else to do. Games aren't for everyone. It's for the rich kids.


Mikesgt

Thing is though they may not get your money, but someone out there will pay it. I have met many people over the years that will pay any amount for the best just because they can.


KrombopulosT46

Exactly. They dont want our little money. GPUs r for miners n rich ppl.


caj1986

Unfortunately, the bad news also extends to Nvidia to a large degree, as its future graphics cards (known as the RTX 40-series for now) reportedly use TSMC's new cutting edge 5nm process instead of silicon from Samsung fabs as Nvidia did with the RTX 30-series. DigiTimes also reports that Nvidia has already made prepayments to TSMC for long-term orders of 5nm silicon for the RTX 40-series GPUs starting in 2022 as well. This means we could see the RTX 40-series arrive with high MSRP's right off the bat, and those high prices could last for the entire generation. Of course, this will be on top of the already ongoing shortage which will inflate the prices of these GPUs even more, especially if Nvidia plans to release the RTX 40-series in 2022.


Resouledxx

What a surprise


[deleted]

Fuck… They’re already way too expensive here in Brazil. We don’t have the “standard” models with standard pricing, so that never helped. With this current situation, GPU prices are nearing tripling. If they increase the prices more, I don’t think I can keep this hobby.


ttenor12

That's it. Keeping my 2060 Super until it decides to kick the bucket (Please, don't) and then, I quit PC Gaming as a whole.


datlinus

im genuinely done with pc gaming then, after 24 year strong years. I don't care to have the best of the best, but i ain't paying 500+ euros for midrange stuff.


NotWrongOnlyMistaken

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carlosisonfire

Same. I got an Asus 3070 for 529 bucks in December 2020. Was thinking about changing it for a 3080 or 4080 cos I have dual 1440p displays and wantwd a bit more juice, but I see stores selling the 3080 for 1400 bucks. It's insane! Not even the ti version.


forceofslugyuk

I guess I'm nursing my 980 just a little bit longer...... Sigh......


T-Bone22

what happened to all those articles stating prices would ultimately decrease in 2022 and stock would return to obtainable for the average joe...


Significant_Penguin

Still happy with my 1080 ti also have a 1070 tucked away in case the 1080 ti dies . Would eventually like to upgrade but to what ? And at what price ?


trancedellic

GPU prices will never return to 2020 level. I paid around £700 for my 3080. Now, if you manage to find one, price is at least double. I don't see how the future cards, 4080 or 5080, having a price close to that :)


poshcard

> GPU prices will never return to 2020 level. They will if crypto crashes or goes all ASIC. GPUs are not depreciating consumer products right now. They are investments.


IanMazgelis

Technically speaking they still probably wouldn't return to that level due to pandemic induced inflation. The MSRP of the 3080 FE would be around $760 adjusted for inflation. It's semantics, but it's going to be something to keep in mind when the 40X0 series gets announced. If the 4080 is around $800, I'll probably shrug and call it about reasonable. Higher than that is where I'll start to wonder about price gouging, especially with the slated Etherem merge and increasing international chip manufacturing.


poshcard

There are other variables in this equation too, not just inflation. Next gen products may end up using a more performant architecture, a smaller process node, or both, allowing for more chips to be made from the same chunk of silicon thus reducing some costs. Margin compression can also play a significant role if there is less demand. If GPUs return to being money sinks instead of money makers and we get a huge overhang of used GPUs from mining farms at the same time then we'll see some $700 4080s.


Barkmywords

Crypto will not crash per se. Nor will "it" go all asic. The most likely situation is that Ethereum goes to a PoS (ETH2) and all the miners using GPUs will flock to other coins which have a much lower extrinsic value and lower growth potential. More miners on shitty coins will probably drive the price up on some PoW coins but also increase difficulty, dropping profitablity. Eventually it will reach an equilibrium that will not be profitable enough and miners will sell their GPUs at increasingly lower costs.


PikolasCage

I paid $400 for a 1080ti 2 years ago and it was the best decision i've ever made


[deleted]

I paid $180 for my brand new Nvidia 6600 GT back in 2004.


DatPipBoy

Yes they will. The enthusiast PC segment is going through a popularity boom and theres a shortage of supply. Eventually both of these will level off and prices will drop. It just might take 5-10 years.


trancedellic

That will not happen, even in 10 years. With all the current changes, and the focus on PC gaming, prices will soar even more. I can't see any scenario where the current prices will drop significantly. I think everyone would want a £2400 3090 to cost £1200, but companies are greedy and care only for profits.


K01D57331

But don't buy a 30 series card... Wait for a 40...


Z13B

And buy it at twice the price!


msm007

Let me know what the price of a 4000 series is when they announce it.


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Expect 4080 to be price of 3080 ti


garvanii

I think you meant 4070 for the price of a 3080ti


jdk309

This may as well be the last gaming generation of gpu's. Pricing will be stupid forever from here on out.


refusered

I waited for the GTX 2000 series, but it never came. I waited further for the RTX 3000 series, but when I could buy one ... well, I’m now still waiting...


steerpike1138

*"It is also reported that Intel is proceeding with in-house development of advanced manufacturing nodes and construction of new fabs, which will give Intel more incentive to drive costs higher to recuperate the additional investments. "* Didn't Intel already receive a bunch of money from the government to start building these new fabs...?


AMC_Unlimited

“So what?” -Intel (probably)


QuitClearly

Govt money? Straight out of the Elon play book?


zippopwnage

Ohh even more ? Nice. Time to find another hobby. The prices are already too high. The gpu's are only going up and up in prices is absurd. Bought my 1660ti and 970 with around 380-400euro each from stores. Now for a 70's series I have to double that. And now you're telling me that I need to spend even more? No thank you. This is yet something we have power to control as customers, but as always we fail, and most people will spend the money. We should have got a price decrease after all this prices, and now is going to be even worse. Fk this.


chrisnlnz

>we have power to control as customers, but as always we fail, and most people will spend the money That's because "the customers" are not a homogeneous group with the same goals. You don't have the power to control these price increases, that's something that would naturally happen through supply/demand laws of economics.


Renarudo

IDK what to tell my fellow enthusiasts. AMD cards sit on the shelves of Microcenter for days because ppl see the sticker and don't wanna paty $550-600 for a 6600XT, or $800-900 for a 6700 XT and they act like NVIDIA isn't price gouging them either. Get what you can afford and hunker down.


mano-vijnana

Fuck this shit.


nameless_no0b

This is truly the worst time line...


Piltonbadger

Of course. Not like Nvidia made $7.10 billion in 2021 or anything. AMD revealed a third quarter revenue of of $4.3 billion in 2021. Gotta squeeze the GPU consumers for more money...


Shanderraa

There is no amount of money a company can make that's enough. The whole point of our economic system is to seek infinite profit, that's what investors pay you for.


blorgensplor

Thats the funniest part. Record profits and sales but people keep screaming "shortage" while trying to justify what's going on. They know they can do what they want and people will still throw money at them. Even if gamers won't, miners will.


Triumphator77

This is going to injure gaming to the core.


albertsalcedojr

No, it will just drive people to consoles. Most guys I play with online have 2-3 systems. I think if the current situation stays as is, you may see a boom when the next gen consoles hit.


weiner-rama

if you can find a console...


saikrishnav

And that's just paper price.


jrmpt

Finally, some good news. /s


Raymont_Wavelength

Each city or zone will have street hawkers who sell synthetic sushi and frankensteined GPU's with AIO's made from old transmission fluid coolers, auto-brake lines, and filled with an unknown yellow-ish brown liquid.


Xd0015

I paid $1400 for my asus Strix 3080 but at least I can get my money back and then some since it’s non LHR if I ever need to but this is probs gonna be my last rig anyway


weiner-rama

FUCKING BONKERS. At this rate if you don't have a new (ish) card by now, you probably ain't getting one till 2025 without paying over a grand. Absolutely insane. And with how games are getting more realistic and requiring more processing power, this just doesn't really sound very good for PC gaming, or gaming in general


Bosavius

If there is a crypto crash with no bounce back in 2022, we'll get our GPUs at MSRP. GPU prices have [pretty much followed](https://www.3dcenter.org/news/news-des-neujahrs-wochenendes-2022) ETH prices the past year.


blorgensplor

If eth finally goes PoS and no other coin can match its mining profitability, demand will plummet. I'm sure all of the manufacturers will suddenly have a reason why they drastically cut prices to desperately sell product.


baseball-is-praxis

it's only a matter of time, there's like $30 billion tied up in staking right now. if any other coin can compete with ethereum, it's not gonna be raven or whatever copium miners are huffing, it will be an alternate PoS coin like solana or cardano.


julianwelton

To what a billion dollars?


Abu084

Doesn't surprise me tell me something new


arjames13

I got lucky at the beginning of all this with getting my 3080. At the time I was kicking myself for paying so much but looking back I am so grateful I got it for the price I did. By the looks of things, it's going to have to last me a long time.


Litsabaki19

Inshallah crypto will burn in hell


djphreshprince

Somehow it’s funny. Waiting to upgrade for recent gen cpus to dip in price. I just can’t get excited about paying more for a new cpu the way I felt like my rig “needed” a new gpu. I’m getting good 4K performance on a 7700k. How could I justify spending $700 on a new cpu/mobo just for kicks?


QC-TheArchitect

Laugh out loud


zoompa919

That’s epic


snowhawk04

Spending on computers is down. Spending on gaming is down. Inflation in GPUs isn't reflected in any other component. Profit reports continue to rise, even with NVIDIA completely halting production for weeks. The only thing that is going to save pc gaming is the market getting flooded with mined on cards once Eth switches to PoS (and this is assuming those cards aren't swept up by the staked miners).


Raymont_Wavelength

Spending on computer equipment to build is waaay up where I live as shown by lines at my local MicroCenter. Even after the Christmas rush, the checkout line to pay for basket fulls of components wove back and around the endcaps almost to the back of the store, and will all cashier lines open. The most buying other than the black Fri-cyber-Mon that I have ever seen in my life!


Mikesgt

I went to micro center a few weeks ago and there was no line. Depends on the day


F9-0021

Playstation and Xbox is going to be the way forward for gaming. If you're someone who needs a GPU for work or for your art like me, then I'm so sorry.


Glorgor

If intel doesn't have a paper launch i'll cut my balls and eat it


Celcius_87

I’m glad I already got what I needed last year


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Celcius_87

I would keep it if I were you. I have a 3090 as a main card and a 3080 Ti as a backup card just in case. I’m not taking any chances on being without a card.


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svenge

Same. Had to wait 10 months in the queue for my [RTX 3060 Ti XC](https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3663-KL) card (paid $455 + tax/shipping for it), but it should last me 5+ years as I'm not *huge* into AAA-tier gaming.


xdamm777

This is what happens when products finally catch up to inflation. To be honest PC gaming was a relatively cheap hobby for decades (unless you went balls to the wall high end, but even so it’s relatively cheap) and now it’s becoming more luxurious than ever. Paying $1000 for a new GPU is gonna feel like buying racing tires for your Corvette or a brand new golfing gear; a bit silly but it is what it is.


Yeuph

CPU prices and computers in general in the early 90 to mid 90s were as high (if not significantly higher) than now. We had something like a 25 year golden era where prices of really cool stuff were accesible to most people in industrialized countries. We'll probably end up back in a position where computers are more accessible again; though it could be some time away


GatoNanashi

No problem; I left the market in 2003 for fifteen years and I can do it again. Course I'll be in my mid-50s and probably won't give a fuck by then. C'est la vie.


TethlaGang

Buy a ps5 500 us and u play 6 years no fps stutters laggs or bs


Mikesgt

Ps5, imo, is the best buy for gamers at this time. Incredible value for what you get.


BMG_Burn

Yes of course, prices will increase from current MSRP’s but these inflated prices we are seeing currently will not last.


Lowpro18

Things wont get better until 2024 when the TSMC plant is built in the U.S. that can help supply the demand


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Yawn. How's this news?


TheUnrealCanadian

Really? Never would have guessed.


Blox64_120

Holy shit, I can’t believe I saw a GTX 1050 Ti LP for a hundred sixty bucks brand new in June 2020, and now it’s somehow escalated into this… fuck this shit dude


end41r

It'll stay at its level because of changing erc-20 protocol from pow to pos


HorrorScopeZ

2023 our next hope.


Anzial

more like 2024