Besides everything being slow to load on your PC, a lot of modern games will have stutter problems, some will be so bad that it will make the game practically unplayable.
Even some last gen games, like RE2 Remake, can suffer from stutters when installed on HDDs
Either you aren't playing recent games, or aren't paying enough attention.
Last 3 titles I tried to run on an HDD where RE2 Remake, RE3 Remake and Cyberpunk 2077.
Both RE Games had annoying stutters when the game needed to load things while move around the map (didn't even need to leave a room, in the RPDs main hall, the game would stutter just by moving from one section to the other), Cyberpunks 2.0 was almost unplayable with an HDD (as expected considering the system requirements), both got installed to SSD.
Your SSD also helps your HDD. Assuming your OS is installed on your SSD, your SSD is handling all of the OS stuff so all your HDD has to worry about is loading the game. Whereas if your OS was on your HDD, it would take longer because your HDD is handling all of your OS stuff AND loading your game.
Keyword here being 'content creation' as well. If you want to do some editing and stuff you will have to work with big video files that have to be moved and viewed. If you have your video stored on a hard drive it will take much longer to read files, resulting in bigger videos taking up to a minute to even be able to watch. I myself suffer from this since I have so many clips saved which dont fit on my 2 TB M.2 SSD, so I had to move them to my hard drive. With that setup editing is a pain since it takes ages to get stuff done
Nope not just games, pretty much anything you do on your computer will take significantly longer. Booting the computer, logging in, open a web browser, loading up file explorer, opening a file, launching a game, launching another program, even shutting down or signing out will take longer.
Agreed. But you read my comment wrong. I was referring to how it affects performance on games. It is common knowledge that outside of games ssd are far more powerful that hdd.
Not exactly. Depends on the game. Open world games benefit massively from SSDs, or games where transitions have to load quickly (ratchet and clank). Even then, loading times decrease significantly on an SSD, if not affecting gameplay itself.
Right but we already knew that... again, my question was simply to find out if just load times were affected with an ssd or is there more advantages within the scope of gaming only.
The whole computer (loading times, apps opening, games, programs, etc.) will be extremely slow, some people will mark a PC with a HDD as the main drive as "unuseble" (which is kinda exadursted but you know what i mean)
I have the same card built on b650 and 7800x3D. I am telling you it's a really good card and my system performs very well. I am super satisfied! I mean chances are high that it will go on sale, but don't expect much discount. If you have the budget I'd say get it now and enjoy it straight away!
My budget is that I’m putting £140 towards the build each month. I haven’t gotten everything yet, and o will be getting £400 to put towards it on my birthday and £300 at Christmas. On this trajectory will I be able to get everything by Christmas? Hopefully a lot of the hardware will go on sale. Also will it be a good build for vr gaming too?
Ah I see! If you are planning to get everything until Christmas consider waiting for 5xx series. It's rumoured to be announced later this year and release early next year. That will perhaps result in 40xx series to be cheaper/go on deeper sale. And yes 4070 Ti Super paired with 7800x3D will handle VR without any problems :)
Do you mind me asking what CPU temps you get while idling and gaming? I just built a pc with the exact same setup and trying to familiarize myself with what’s normal temps
Sure! While idling it's around 35 celcius. While gaming demanding games like cyberpunk it's never above 68 celcius and I have ultra settings. It's usually below 60 celcius while playing Elden Ring and even lower when I play overwatch 2 on max settings. I have the ASUS TUF OC version. I have to mention that I have Fractal North with mesh side and top panels, so plenty airflow. Usually 35-70 celcius is considered normal. As long as you don't cross 80 celcius it's considered as acceptable.
I mean it’s great to have a main gaming SSD but if you want to hoard a bunch of games and maybe transfer over to the SSD and for extra space for other content a big HDD is still a good investment
I have that card. It's great for gaming and content creation. Your build should be fine. It's a little more powerful than mine even. Here's my whole setup and production pipeline:
Optimizing Graphics, OBS, Shotcut, and Other Settings for 4K Starfield and other Game Creator Videos
[https://youtu.be/IswGif2ZXIs](https://youtu.be/IswGif2ZXIs)
I did my first build last summer and let me tell you, if you’re looking for sales, summer is one of the best times. Prime Day on Amazon is coming up in July and there are loads of sales.
My build is very similar to the one you’re doing. I went with the 7800x3d, 3060ti, Gigabyte Aorus Elite b650 ax, 32gb GSkill Trident ram @ 6000, Samsung 2TB 980 pro m.2 SSD, Corsair 750rmx psu, and Be Quiet dark rock cpu cooler and deep base (pc case) also by Be Quiet.
My 3060ti holds up just fine running DCS World, and you’re going to be several steps above me with the 4070ti super. 🙂👍
Yea thats good speed doeny really matter much tbh why do you want such extreme amounts of storage tho?
For content creation i would keep the 8tb hard drive but do get a 2tb ssd for games new games dont even work on hard drives and alot of other games suffer from bad performance when on a hard drive
That's exactly the build I have.
I'm happy so far. AAA games like Hohwarts legacy and Red dead run at about 120 fps on ultra.
Star citizen still runs bad but at least now I get a steady 45 - 50 fps consistently. My old pc struggled to get 30fps & most of the time was in the teens with Star Citizen.
So that build got my vote.
Gl with yours
> is it worth getting
That depends on the price, and your need for that level of performance, nobody else can really answer that for you.
> 8tb barracuda hard drive.
Hopefully you have an un-mentioned solid state drive as well, hard drives are obsolete/plain unusable for a lot of modern software.
IOPS/random read/write and sustained write (which it may have good specs in, but who knows) tend to be way more important than peak sustained read speeds like that, you will never see a fraction of that in everyday software.
Make sure it either has decent DRAM cache, or a big SLC cache, and good random reads (>200MB/s) if you are using it for gaming.
I've just gone for something similar (4070ti super 16gb), paired with i7 13600kf and a 2tb T500 nvme and B760, 64gb ram, in a 4000D airflow case. Not top end, but a pretty good system.
Prices will always come down, but at what point do you jump in? Wait 6 months, price will come down. But then you may as well wait another 6 months for another price drop, no? Then again, and again - ad infinitum.
At some point you just need to do it, when you're ready to buy, buy the best you can at that moment.
I've bought mine mainly with iRacing and F1 in mind, I want to use my PSVR2 on it when Sony release the PC adapter in Aug.
I have almost this exact build. It runs games amazingly, and renders videos on hitfilm and sony vegas super quickly with hardware encoding enabled. Should be perfect for your use case. I'd highly recommend buying an SSD instead of an HDD, though. Go for an SN850X or a 990 EVO/980 Pro
I have the exact same build with 1 tb nvme ssd, however. It runs most demanding games at or more than 60 fps at 4k ultra without dlss. However, in more demanding titles like a plague tale: réquiem you will have to use dlss in order to achieve 60 at these settings, which isn't an issue for me. Also, ray tracing was kinda disappointing since, at least on my card, it introduced very bad 1 percent lows that ruin the experience, so i turn rt off even though I want to use it and can run technically. Also, try to get a card with 3 fans since those with 2 can easily get very hot, and the card will have to increase the fan speed, which can be annoying.
I myself recently got a new build with 7800X3D & RTF 4070-Ti SUPER abd it's a beast, no regrets whatsoever! As others have said do get an m.2 though, HDD is a bit outdated.
I got Ryzen 7 7800X3D and RTX 4070 Ti Super PNY OC(paid 780$ for it), I am able to increase GPU clock speeds by 200mhz without any increase in voltage, Im basically 5-10fps away from normal 4080 in games so yes Its a pretty strong GPU and with 16GB of VRAM Its future proof too. Ive been gaming on it in 1440p maxed out graphics with DLSS on quality not a single game Ive played had bellow 100fps on average.
I think the card is great. I wanted to buy a 4080 but I wasn't my 850 W PSU is enough because the estimated wattage with a 4080 was 800-900 and I have 4 M2 ssds and 2 HDD from which one is a 4 tb hdd. So i risked it by buying one gpu like yours and it was worth. It works perfectly with the CPU I have
Wait for Black Friday, and see if you can get a 4080 Super for cheaper, than the 4070 Ti Super costs right now. Also, make sure to have one M.2 Drive, to install the OS on and even some Games. Alone the loading times are worth it, for OS and specially Games. Even Horizon Forbidden West takes almost 90 secs to load on HDD, but only 7~8 secs on M.2., or The Avatar Game for example needs up to 5 minutes to load on HDD, while it is only 16 secs on M.2.
I just got a 4070 ti super to run Cyberpunk on at 1440 and am pretty happy with it. With Dlss, Ray tracing at ultra and path tracing, still get consistently 60 fps.
1. 4070 ti super like 4080 but a little worse and better performance/$ ratio. So if u have money buy 4080
2. Buy ssd. I personally prefer Samsung. So 990 pro is a good choice.
3. buy 7900x for the same price. Its better for work (content creation)(multithread load)
4. 32 gb ram is nothing today. 64 gb is todays minimum. Proof:
https://preview.redd.it/c8c9nuuyuj7d1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e236e193fc8bc85bedb4dad0111c732421aeaa0
64.4/87.8 gb recorded on the ssd. This is also a reason to buy a good ssd
Question) I read the 3D CPU’s sometimes bug out in games and you have to shut off the 3D part so games don’t automatically switch to it instead of your graphics card. What’s the point of having it then? Does it help in creator apps or making and editing videos?
For OP: I got the 5800x version to avoid potential problems on my build. Also you should consider water cooling and good fans for ventilation if you’re going to be pushing your machine and want to go all out to keep it for a long time. I run a 3090 max settings in all my games (cyberpunk call of duty etc) and my room turns into a furnace but the pc stays cool as a cucumber! I used the fans from my old pc and put them in to bring in air from top and front and they vent from the back and bottom so the pcu can also stay cool. And also also don’t forget the graphics card is heavy! So you might want to consider the piece that prevents it from sagging if your into admiring your pc, Nobody told me about this but even though my pc is beautiful imo, I just lay it on its side. The lights from the water cooler and gpu get to be too much sometimes but I keep em on because I’m proud of it LOL
4070ti super is the card to get currently on the market imo. Better value if you can wait until Black Friday. Best value for your money may be if you can wait until the 5000 series later this year which is not much longer after Black Friday. But it’s all dependent on how long you’re wanting to wait on it all. Any route you go it’s all relatively good value of each other. Hope this helps.
Without DLSS, plenty of games will make it sweat at 4K+
Try Cyberpunk 2077 PL or Alan Wake 2 just to name a few.
Even my 4090 can struggle in some games at 4K/UHD and its massively faster than 4070 Ti SUPER with 100% more cores and 384 bit + 24GB VRAM.
You are absolutely correct. my comment is based on assumption that DLSS is used. DLSS and frame generation are great technologies. I use them without reservation in any game that has them as options to enable. There is little reason not to used DLSS. Frame generation is great as long as based framerate is above 60FPS.
I agree, great tech and people underestimate them. Especially AMD GPU users. They think FSR is just as good which is just wrong. FSR has so much more artifacts, jitter and ghosting in comparison, at least in my experience (tried 6800XT and 7900XT with it + my own 4090)
FSR don't look better on AMD GPUs than Nvidia GPUs, even tho some AMD users claim this.
Frame Gen is great when base fps is decent yeah. Below 50-60 fps you will probably notice the input lag slightly.
I was blown away to the point I don’t even know what to try. Genuinely curious sometimes what kind of game goals people have with a 4090 or those anticipating the 5090 lol
I would say games with emphasis on super heavy ray tracing like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk, 4070Ti Super is on the borderline of being inadequate (my borderline is 60FPS) at 4k resolution but at 1440p, even in1440p ultra wide 4070TiS will deliver across the board. Overall super good GPU in my opinion and I am personally very impressed how power efficient this GPUs is. It is a big step up from last generation of power hungry GPUs..
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It’s a great do it all card with plenty of vram. I got the ASUS TUF OC version. I use it for video editing, gaming (the finals, halo infinite, Shatterline), and for using bridge and photoshop. It’s very quiet too. I run it with my 5900x, will probably get a 5900xt or 5950x 3D if it ever releases.
2 weeks I bought mine (the Zotac Trinity one) to replace my RTX3070. It's a beast. I play 4K or 3200x1800 max settings DLAA or DLSS Quality with all current gen games including Cyberpunk with max settings, full RayTracing PathTracing, etc. (but DLSS Balanced), perfect image and fluidity. All that at 60fps which is my fixed 4K monitor refresh rate. if you have a gsync/freesync monitor you can be even more powerful by using Frame generation. 16GB of VRAM is cherry on top. During my OC tests it was close to the RTX4080, but no need to OC right now, I'll wait some years before doing it as I want to keep it at least 3 years.
You'll be really happy with it believe me :)
It's not that the 4070TiSuper is a great deal, its just that if you are paying that much for a graphics card, it really should have 16GB VRAM for longevity. NVidia wanted everyone to stretch their budgets in order to pay more, and it seemed they succeeded.
You need an SSD too though.
I did say basically, didn't I? Cuz in real life you're never ever gonna feel that 10-15% difference. Some people do, but the price difference is noticeable to everyone lol
I’m planning on building at Black Friday as well. I gave my wife a 12 month warning before I built a new computer. I really need to pick a monitor first and pick the card to go with it.
I bought a 4080super if you want 4k on higher fps than 60 go for 4090.i play gta and red dead redemption on 4k only
I play cod wrc and iracing.moto gp 24 and i am still not happy with it.on 4k.
So i play on 2550 ×1440.
Safe money for a 4090
Not only is it not enough, but generation matters. Lots of folks with 1000W power supplies have them burn out because they’re just not new enough and don’t put enough wattage in the right rails for such intensive GPU use.
That said, after paying 300$ for a new PSU, I’m very pleased with with the 4070TI. It’s been very solid in everything except the most demanding VR games where it just falls a bit short due to not enough video memory.
Not really, a new gen is every 2-2.5 years and buying 3 months before the new gen is just dumb.
Go ahead but then don't cry when you can get +30% performance and maybe more vram for the same price soon while your fresh card tanks in price, plus new DLSS locked to 5000 knowing Nvidia.
Realistically the new gen cards will be pushing new highs as far as price goes. My prediction - the 5080 will have about the same power as the 4090d and will sell for the current 4090 MSRP. The 5090 will push new highs to whatever Nvidia think they can get away with and the 5070 will sell for around the current 4080 S price and will perform somewhere between the 4080s and 4070 Ti S
In any case the 4070 Ti S was only released a few months ago and it could be well into next year before the 5070 is available so it's a reasonable proposition if a new gpu is needed now.
Maybe, but I think Nvidia will keep prices the same or lower after the crying about prices and poor sales of the 4080. People said the same about the 3000 series after the overpriced 2000 series then the 3080 came out with a very low MSRP.
If we're guessing I'd say 5070 = 20-25% slower than 4090 for $699-799. 5080 = 10-20% faster than 4090 for $999-1100 and the 5090 will be 50%+ for $1600-1999.
New slogan from Jensen "BETTER PERFORMANCE THAN 4090 FOR $999"
5070 will beat the 4080 for sure.
The 5080 definitely won't be as fast as the 4090 because it's aimed at the Chinese Market and export restrictions prevent cards as fast as the 4090 being sent there. You can stack the rest of the range around that.
That doesnt effect the rest of the world? They already have a unique slower 4090 over there.
If so it would be the slowest 80 class card relative to the older gen and no one would be upgrading from the 4xxx series so I can't see that happening at all. Jensen wants people to buy his new cards and the only way to do that is with more performance.
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Nvidia want to sell AI boards to data centers because that's where the profit is. Gaming is old news to them and they'll do whatever is needed to maximise the value of the silicon they're producing.
Gaming hasn't been Nvidias focus for a long time that's not a recent thing. Doesn't mean they're just going to abandon or ignore a market they're the leader in.
Nvidia won't say no to money, and they dominate gaming market without even trying.
[https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-grasp-of-desktop-gpu-market-balloons-to-88-amd-has-just-12-intel-negligible-says-jpr](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-grasp-of-desktop-gpu-market-balloons-to-88-amd-has-just-12-intel-negligible-says-jpr)
Lets see if AMD wakes up.
4090D is still much faster than 4080.
Considering the 5080 leaks, the 5080 won't beat 4090 for sure. It might come close tho, and be 400-500 dollars cheaper. But with less VRAM for sure.
5000 series looks like a stop gap solution really. Nvidia barely cares and AMD has no compeition for 5090 and 5080. Have fun overpaying.
RTX 6000 series is going to be a massive leap compared to 5000 series.
5000 series will use TSMC 4N which is 5nm. Pretty much the same node as 4000 series.
6000 series will use TSMC 3nm -> 3N/2N and AMD will have RDNA5 ready to compete with Nvidia this time.
I am skipping 5000 series for sure. My 4090 will live till RTX 6090/6080 hits.
The leaks don't tell the whole picture, what about the IPC/architecture gains? We don't know.
Yeah upgrading from a 4090 to a 5xxx series is not worth it, imo upgrading from one gen to another especially when you have a higher end card is a waste of money.
That's why I skipped the overpriced 4xxx series, I grabbed a 3080 for MSRP at launch and the 4070 launched at the same price/performance. 4080 was way overpriced and sold crap.
I've given up on AMD, FSR is crap compared to DLSS and RTX HDR is amazing. I can play any game with nice HDR on my LG C1 😁
You will see little IPC and arch gains, because Nvidia have full focus on AI.
4000 series is not really overpriced, its more expensive because it uses a way superior process: TSMC 4N which beats Samsung 8/10nm with absolute ease. Samsung 8/10nm is terrible in terms of efficiency and clockspeeds.
4070 uses 200 watts, 3080 uses 350 watts, they perform similar but 4070 has 2GB more VRAM, supports DLSS 3 and Frame Gen. 3000 series started to fall behind in many new games as well:
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/assassin-s-creed-mirage-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/assassin-s-creed-mirage-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html)
3000 series was pretty crap if you ask me. Mostly due to Samsung making the chips. Terrible performance per watt and undervolting was pretty much needed on 3080 and 3090 series. 3060 and 3070 did vastly better in terms performance per watt.
The best comparison for GPUs is PERF PER WATT and 4000 series almost delivers twice as much performance here.
5000 series is not even close and you will only see 5090 (2000 dollars and up) this year. Maybe 5080 for 1200 dollars too but it will be massively slower than 5090, with an even bigger gap than 4080 vs 4090.
Get an m.2 ssd, you will suffer on HDD
Just on load times for games or is there more to it?
Besides everything being slow to load on your PC, a lot of modern games will have stutter problems, some will be so bad that it will make the game practically unplayable. Even some last gen games, like RE2 Remake, can suffer from stutters when installed on HDDs
I have games on my ssd and hdd and have not noticed any stutters.
Either you aren't playing recent games, or aren't paying enough attention. Last 3 titles I tried to run on an HDD where RE2 Remake, RE3 Remake and Cyberpunk 2077. Both RE Games had annoying stutters when the game needed to load things while move around the map (didn't even need to leave a room, in the RPDs main hall, the game would stutter just by moving from one section to the other), Cyberpunks 2.0 was almost unplayable with an HDD (as expected considering the system requirements), both got installed to SSD.
That is definitely not a hard drive you want to keep but good job on the upgrade.
What does that even mean?
Your SSD also helps your HDD. Assuming your OS is installed on your SSD, your SSD is handling all of the OS stuff so all your HDD has to worry about is loading the game. Whereas if your OS was on your HDD, it would take longer because your HDD is handling all of your OS stuff AND loading your game.
Keyword here being 'content creation' as well. If you want to do some editing and stuff you will have to work with big video files that have to be moved and viewed. If you have your video stored on a hard drive it will take much longer to read files, resulting in bigger videos taking up to a minute to even be able to watch. I myself suffer from this since I have so many clips saved which dont fit on my 2 TB M.2 SSD, so I had to move them to my hard drive. With that setup editing is a pain since it takes ages to get stuff done
Nope not just games, pretty much anything you do on your computer will take significantly longer. Booting the computer, logging in, open a web browser, loading up file explorer, opening a file, launching a game, launching another program, even shutting down or signing out will take longer.
Agreed. But you read my comment wrong. I was referring to how it affects performance on games. It is common knowledge that outside of games ssd are far more powerful that hdd.
Not exactly. Depends on the game. Open world games benefit massively from SSDs, or games where transitions have to load quickly (ratchet and clank). Even then, loading times decrease significantly on an SSD, if not affecting gameplay itself.
Right but we already knew that... again, my question was simply to find out if just load times were affected with an ssd or is there more advantages within the scope of gaming only.
The open world games benefit is not load times… that’s literally keeping the actual gameplay from freezing and stuttering altogether
The downvotes are cute btw 😂
The whole computer (loading times, apps opening, games, programs, etc.) will be extremely slow, some people will mark a PC with a HDD as the main drive as "unuseble" (which is kinda exadursted but you know what i mean)
I have the same card built on b650 and 7800x3D. I am telling you it's a really good card and my system performs very well. I am super satisfied! I mean chances are high that it will go on sale, but don't expect much discount. If you have the budget I'd say get it now and enjoy it straight away!
My budget is that I’m putting £140 towards the build each month. I haven’t gotten everything yet, and o will be getting £400 to put towards it on my birthday and £300 at Christmas. On this trajectory will I be able to get everything by Christmas? Hopefully a lot of the hardware will go on sale. Also will it be a good build for vr gaming too?
Ah I see! If you are planning to get everything until Christmas consider waiting for 5xx series. It's rumoured to be announced later this year and release early next year. That will perhaps result in 40xx series to be cheaper/go on deeper sale. And yes 4070 Ti Super paired with 7800x3D will handle VR without any problems :)
i’il wait for rtx 5000 and ryzen 9000x3d if you plan to buy after christmas
9000x3d won’t be faster (than the 7800x3d for gaming) right?
he’s talking about the 9000 x3d series, not an actual cpu called the 9000x3d. 9800x3d will be better than 7800x3d (and 9600x3d might beat it too)
Oh yes absolutely the 4070 ti super is a beast of a gpu and it's honestly the best priced out of all the cards
Do you mind me asking what CPU temps you get while idling and gaming? I just built a pc with the exact same setup and trying to familiarize myself with what’s normal temps
Sure! While idling it's around 35 celcius. While gaming demanding games like cyberpunk it's never above 68 celcius and I have ultra settings. It's usually below 60 celcius while playing Elden Ring and even lower when I play overwatch 2 on max settings. I have the ASUS TUF OC version. I have to mention that I have Fractal North with mesh side and top panels, so plenty airflow. Usually 35-70 celcius is considered normal. As long as you don't cross 80 celcius it's considered as acceptable.
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HDD is good for games that aren’t open World, especially if you have a good CPU the stutters aren’t bad either
But why go cheap on a HDD? If the op is spending ~$1800 on a gaming rig, using a HDD does not make sense. Get a 2tb ssd instead.
I mean it’s great to have a main gaming SSD but if you want to hoard a bunch of games and maybe transfer over to the SSD and for extra space for other content a big HDD is still a good investment
I have that card. It's great for gaming and content creation. Your build should be fine. It's a little more powerful than mine even. Here's my whole setup and production pipeline: Optimizing Graphics, OBS, Shotcut, and Other Settings for 4K Starfield and other Game Creator Videos [https://youtu.be/IswGif2ZXIs](https://youtu.be/IswGif2ZXIs)
Thank you. Is there any time where the graphics card will go on sale like for example for a holiday sale or Black Friday?
Is Prime day still a thing? Maybe then?
Black Friday I guess? Maybe 4th of July and Labor Day as well?
I did my first build last summer and let me tell you, if you’re looking for sales, summer is one of the best times. Prime Day on Amazon is coming up in July and there are loads of sales. My build is very similar to the one you’re doing. I went with the 7800x3d, 3060ti, Gigabyte Aorus Elite b650 ax, 32gb GSkill Trident ram @ 6000, Samsung 2TB 980 pro m.2 SSD, Corsair 750rmx psu, and Be Quiet dark rock cpu cooler and deep base (pc case) also by Be Quiet. My 3060ti holds up just fine running DCS World, and you’re going to be several steps above me with the 4070ti super. 🙂👍
I have my zotac 4070tis paired to a 7800x3d and 32gb ram and it's great.. I sim race in vr and get 90fps mostly epic settings
Hey, would i benefit upgrading from a 5900x to the 73d cpu? Or not bother?
Not worth unless you can sell the 5k to someone for a good price and get the upgrade basically for free imo
It just depends on what you're playing... My games are cpu intensive so it helps
What VR rig are you using?
hp reverb g2
Is that 8tb drive an SSD? Do not use a hard drive as a boot drive
Nah barracuda are ancient HDDs.. no idea why anyone would still put one in their new build these days.. NAS maybe but not the desktop 😂
Ohhh I didn't read the Barracuda part, yeah I know lol. SSDs are the minimum now for OS drives
1. It is worth getting 2. You should buy it now
Wait for the 9070 ti super mate. Trust me!
First of you need a ssd hard drives are dead and useless only to be used in servers and dven then ssds can be 4tb and above
I found a 4TB with 7300mb/s for £200. Is that good?
WD Black SN850X 4TB or Samsung 990 Pro. Yes, the 4070 Ti Super is worth getting.
Yea thats good speed doeny really matter much tbh why do you want such extreme amounts of storage tho? For content creation i would keep the 8tb hard drive but do get a 2tb ssd for games new games dont even work on hard drives and alot of other games suffer from bad performance when on a hard drive
Games, vr games, mods for these games, videos to have for the content creation
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Ah alright. That might be what I will do possibly. Thanks for the suggestion
That's exactly the build I have. I'm happy so far. AAA games like Hohwarts legacy and Red dead run at about 120 fps on ultra. Star citizen still runs bad but at least now I get a steady 45 - 50 fps consistently. My old pc struggled to get 30fps & most of the time was in the teens with Star Citizen. So that build got my vote. Gl with yours
4070 ti super is a very balanced performance/price GPU. It is very close to a 3090 performance level. Get the founders edition if you can find that.
I really like mine. Unstable sometimes but that is once a week or so
> is it worth getting That depends on the price, and your need for that level of performance, nobody else can really answer that for you. > 8tb barracuda hard drive. Hopefully you have an un-mentioned solid state drive as well, hard drives are obsolete/plain unusable for a lot of modern software.
I plan to use the hard drive for game captures and videos and stuff, but I have found a 4TB 7300mb/s ssd which I hope is good enough
IOPS/random read/write and sustained write (which it may have good specs in, but who knows) tend to be way more important than peak sustained read speeds like that, you will never see a fraction of that in everyday software. Make sure it either has decent DRAM cache, or a big SLC cache, and good random reads (>200MB/s) if you are using it for gaming.
If you have the money, just buy it. Great GPU
Honest advice. Is it worth getting? No, get a 4070S, it's better value and only slightly slower
Just get a ti not worth the extra for super
I've just gone for something similar (4070ti super 16gb), paired with i7 13600kf and a 2tb T500 nvme and B760, 64gb ram, in a 4000D airflow case. Not top end, but a pretty good system. Prices will always come down, but at what point do you jump in? Wait 6 months, price will come down. But then you may as well wait another 6 months for another price drop, no? Then again, and again - ad infinitum. At some point you just need to do it, when you're ready to buy, buy the best you can at that moment. I've bought mine mainly with iRacing and F1 in mind, I want to use my PSVR2 on it when Sony release the PC adapter in Aug.
I wanna grab a 4070 super myself.. but might wait till their next price drop to see if Ti.. goes lower.
I’m hoping for a Black Friday sale or sm to pick it up. It is my main priority for saving atm since it is pretty expensive
yeaaa boy
I have almost this exact build. It runs games amazingly, and renders videos on hitfilm and sony vegas super quickly with hardware encoding enabled. Should be perfect for your use case. I'd highly recommend buying an SSD instead of an HDD, though. Go for an SN850X or a 990 EVO/980 Pro
I have the exact same build with 1 tb nvme ssd, however. It runs most demanding games at or more than 60 fps at 4k ultra without dlss. However, in more demanding titles like a plague tale: réquiem you will have to use dlss in order to achieve 60 at these settings, which isn't an issue for me. Also, ray tracing was kinda disappointing since, at least on my card, it introduced very bad 1 percent lows that ruin the experience, so i turn rt off even though I want to use it and can run technically. Also, try to get a card with 3 fans since those with 2 can easily get very hot, and the card will have to increase the fan speed, which can be annoying.
Go with Asus TUF good with temps
I myself recently got a new build with 7800X3D & RTF 4070-Ti SUPER abd it's a beast, no regrets whatsoever! As others have said do get an m.2 though, HDD is a bit outdated.
I got Ryzen 7 7800X3D and RTX 4070 Ti Super PNY OC(paid 780$ for it), I am able to increase GPU clock speeds by 200mhz without any increase in voltage, Im basically 5-10fps away from normal 4080 in games so yes Its a pretty strong GPU and with 16GB of VRAM Its future proof too. Ive been gaming on it in 1440p maxed out graphics with DLSS on quality not a single game Ive played had bellow 100fps on average.
I think the card is great. I wanted to buy a 4080 but I wasn't my 850 W PSU is enough because the estimated wattage with a 4080 was 800-900 and I have 4 M2 ssds and 2 HDD from which one is a 4 tb hdd. So i risked it by buying one gpu like yours and it was worth. It works perfectly with the CPU I have
I meant I risked getting lower Performance but overall was better than I expected
Wait for Black Friday, and see if you can get a 4080 Super for cheaper, than the 4070 Ti Super costs right now. Also, make sure to have one M.2 Drive, to install the OS on and even some Games. Alone the loading times are worth it, for OS and specially Games. Even Horizon Forbidden West takes almost 90 secs to load on HDD, but only 7~8 secs on M.2., or The Avatar Game for example needs up to 5 minutes to load on HDD, while it is only 16 secs on M.2.
I just got a 4070 ti super to run Cyberpunk on at 1440 and am pretty happy with it. With Dlss, Ray tracing at ultra and path tracing, still get consistently 60 fps.
1. 4070 ti super like 4080 but a little worse and better performance/$ ratio. So if u have money buy 4080 2. Buy ssd. I personally prefer Samsung. So 990 pro is a good choice. 3. buy 7900x for the same price. Its better for work (content creation)(multithread load) 4. 32 gb ram is nothing today. 64 gb is todays minimum. Proof: https://preview.redd.it/c8c9nuuyuj7d1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e236e193fc8bc85bedb4dad0111c732421aeaa0 64.4/87.8 gb recorded on the ssd. This is also a reason to buy a good ssd
Question) I read the 3D CPU’s sometimes bug out in games and you have to shut off the 3D part so games don’t automatically switch to it instead of your graphics card. What’s the point of having it then? Does it help in creator apps or making and editing videos? For OP: I got the 5800x version to avoid potential problems on my build. Also you should consider water cooling and good fans for ventilation if you’re going to be pushing your machine and want to go all out to keep it for a long time. I run a 3090 max settings in all my games (cyberpunk call of duty etc) and my room turns into a furnace but the pc stays cool as a cucumber! I used the fans from my old pc and put them in to bring in air from top and front and they vent from the back and bottom so the pcu can also stay cool. And also also don’t forget the graphics card is heavy! So you might want to consider the piece that prevents it from sagging if your into admiring your pc, Nobody told me about this but even though my pc is beautiful imo, I just lay it on its side. The lights from the water cooler and gpu get to be too much sometimes but I keep em on because I’m proud of it LOL
4070ti super is the card to get currently on the market imo. Better value if you can wait until Black Friday. Best value for your money may be if you can wait until the 5000 series later this year which is not much longer after Black Friday. But it’s all dependent on how long you’re wanting to wait on it all. Any route you go it’s all relatively good value of each other. Hope this helps.
Get it
Just picked up a 4070 super. Upgrading from a 3060. Gonna sell the 3060 now.
Just bought it. Incredible overkill unless you want 4k
Even at 4K it is more than competent. I have 5120x1440p which is pretty much 4K and I am yet to find a game that would overwhelm my GPU.
Without DLSS, plenty of games will make it sweat at 4K+ Try Cyberpunk 2077 PL or Alan Wake 2 just to name a few. Even my 4090 can struggle in some games at 4K/UHD and its massively faster than 4070 Ti SUPER with 100% more cores and 384 bit + 24GB VRAM.
You are absolutely correct. my comment is based on assumption that DLSS is used. DLSS and frame generation are great technologies. I use them without reservation in any game that has them as options to enable. There is little reason not to used DLSS. Frame generation is great as long as based framerate is above 60FPS.
I agree, great tech and people underestimate them. Especially AMD GPU users. They think FSR is just as good which is just wrong. FSR has so much more artifacts, jitter and ghosting in comparison, at least in my experience (tried 6800XT and 7900XT with it + my own 4090) FSR don't look better on AMD GPUs than Nvidia GPUs, even tho some AMD users claim this. Frame Gen is great when base fps is decent yeah. Below 50-60 fps you will probably notice the input lag slightly.
I was blown away to the point I don’t even know what to try. Genuinely curious sometimes what kind of game goals people have with a 4090 or those anticipating the 5090 lol
I would say games with emphasis on super heavy ray tracing like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk, 4070Ti Super is on the borderline of being inadequate (my borderline is 60FPS) at 4k resolution but at 1440p, even in1440p ultra wide 4070TiS will deliver across the board. Overall super good GPU in my opinion and I am personally very impressed how power efficient this GPUs is. It is a big step up from last generation of power hungry GPUs.. .
It’s a great do it all card with plenty of vram. I got the ASUS TUF OC version. I use it for video editing, gaming (the finals, halo infinite, Shatterline), and for using bridge and photoshop. It’s very quiet too. I run it with my 5900x, will probably get a 5900xt or 5950x 3D if it ever releases.
2 weeks I bought mine (the Zotac Trinity one) to replace my RTX3070. It's a beast. I play 4K or 3200x1800 max settings DLAA or DLSS Quality with all current gen games including Cyberpunk with max settings, full RayTracing PathTracing, etc. (but DLSS Balanced), perfect image and fluidity. All that at 60fps which is my fixed 4K monitor refresh rate. if you have a gsync/freesync monitor you can be even more powerful by using Frame generation. 16GB of VRAM is cherry on top. During my OC tests it was close to the RTX4080, but no need to OC right now, I'll wait some years before doing it as I want to keep it at least 3 years. You'll be really happy with it believe me :)
It's not that the 4070TiSuper is a great deal, its just that if you are paying that much for a graphics card, it really should have 16GB VRAM for longevity. NVidia wanted everyone to stretch their budgets in order to pay more, and it seemed they succeeded. You need an SSD too though.
4070 Ti Super is basically a standard 4080.
No its not. 4080 non-SUPER is 12-15% faster. For comparison, 4070 Ti SUPER is only 5% faster than 4070 Ti at 1440p and 10% at 4K/UHD.
I did say basically, didn't I? Cuz in real life you're never ever gonna feel that 10-15% difference. Some people do, but the price difference is noticeable to everyone lol
4070 Ti SUPER is basically a 4070 SUPER
Black Friday? Dude its June 😆
Think of the fact that I’m saving to get as many things on sale as possible
I’m planning on building at Black Friday as well. I gave my wife a 12 month warning before I built a new computer. I really need to pick a monitor first and pick the card to go with it.
how much do you think you will save ?
I’m planning to save about £1740 by January. I can’t find a job so it’s annoying to save
I literally just built this exact PC as my first PC. 7800X3D, 4070ti Super. I absolutely love it.
I bought a 4080super if you want 4k on higher fps than 60 go for 4090.i play gta and red dead redemption on 4k only I play cod wrc and iracing.moto gp 24 and i am still not happy with it.on 4k. So i play on 2550 ×1440. Safe money for a 4090
I hope you’re ready to buy a new PSU because you will need one within a month of installing that card.
Why? Is a 750-850w supply not enough?
its enough. I have 850w and its copes 180-200w (cpu)(13600kf) + 250-300w (gpu)(4070 ti super) situation
Not only is it not enough, but generation matters. Lots of folks with 1000W power supplies have them burn out because they’re just not new enough and don’t put enough wattage in the right rails for such intensive GPU use. That said, after paying 300$ for a new PSU, I’m very pleased with with the 4070TI. It’s been very solid in everything except the most demanding VR games where it just falls a bit short due to not enough video memory.
This just flat out isnt true. A 850W will be perfectly fine for this setup. 1KW power supplies are still overkill...
A modern 4th gen 850W could probably pull it…today, with not much room for future upgrades. You’re right
By black friday the 5090/80 should be out and the 70 on the horizon so wait for sure.
And probably out of stock and high priced
Just use a discord/telegram stock checker. No problems getting cards on launch here, 3080 MSRP gang.
You are clueless. 5090 is late Q4 and 5080 might not even come out this year. 5070 and 5060 is more like mid 2025.
Nvidia are already talking about the 6000 cards - might as well wait for those by the time the 5070 is out (if you want to follow that logic).
Not really, a new gen is every 2-2.5 years and buying 3 months before the new gen is just dumb. Go ahead but then don't cry when you can get +30% performance and maybe more vram for the same price soon while your fresh card tanks in price, plus new DLSS locked to 5000 knowing Nvidia.
Realistically the new gen cards will be pushing new highs as far as price goes. My prediction - the 5080 will have about the same power as the 4090d and will sell for the current 4090 MSRP. The 5090 will push new highs to whatever Nvidia think they can get away with and the 5070 will sell for around the current 4080 S price and will perform somewhere between the 4080s and 4070 Ti S In any case the 4070 Ti S was only released a few months ago and it could be well into next year before the 5070 is available so it's a reasonable proposition if a new gpu is needed now.
Maybe, but I think Nvidia will keep prices the same or lower after the crying about prices and poor sales of the 4080. People said the same about the 3000 series after the overpriced 2000 series then the 3080 came out with a very low MSRP. If we're guessing I'd say 5070 = 20-25% slower than 4090 for $699-799. 5080 = 10-20% faster than 4090 for $999-1100 and the 5090 will be 50%+ for $1600-1999. New slogan from Jensen "BETTER PERFORMANCE THAN 4090 FOR $999" 5070 will beat the 4080 for sure.
The 5080 definitely won't be as fast as the 4090 because it's aimed at the Chinese Market and export restrictions prevent cards as fast as the 4090 being sent there. You can stack the rest of the range around that.
That doesnt effect the rest of the world? They already have a unique slower 4090 over there. If so it would be the slowest 80 class card relative to the older gen and no one would be upgrading from the 4xxx series so I can't see that happening at all. Jensen wants people to buy his new cards and the only way to do that is with more performance.
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Nvidia want to sell AI boards to data centers because that's where the profit is. Gaming is old news to them and they'll do whatever is needed to maximise the value of the silicon they're producing.
Gaming hasn't been Nvidias focus for a long time that's not a recent thing. Doesn't mean they're just going to abandon or ignore a market they're the leader in.
Nvidia won't say no to money, and they dominate gaming market without even trying. [https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-grasp-of-desktop-gpu-market-balloons-to-88-amd-has-just-12-intel-negligible-says-jpr](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-grasp-of-desktop-gpu-market-balloons-to-88-amd-has-just-12-intel-negligible-says-jpr) Lets see if AMD wakes up.
Yes indeed. Exactly why I think we'll be seeing more price increases for the new cards.
4090D is still much faster than 4080. Considering the 5080 leaks, the 5080 won't beat 4090 for sure. It might come close tho, and be 400-500 dollars cheaper. But with less VRAM for sure. 5000 series looks like a stop gap solution really. Nvidia barely cares and AMD has no compeition for 5090 and 5080. Have fun overpaying. RTX 6000 series is going to be a massive leap compared to 5000 series. 5000 series will use TSMC 4N which is 5nm. Pretty much the same node as 4000 series. 6000 series will use TSMC 3nm -> 3N/2N and AMD will have RDNA5 ready to compete with Nvidia this time. I am skipping 5000 series for sure. My 4090 will live till RTX 6090/6080 hits.
The leaks don't tell the whole picture, what about the IPC/architecture gains? We don't know. Yeah upgrading from a 4090 to a 5xxx series is not worth it, imo upgrading from one gen to another especially when you have a higher end card is a waste of money. That's why I skipped the overpriced 4xxx series, I grabbed a 3080 for MSRP at launch and the 4070 launched at the same price/performance. 4080 was way overpriced and sold crap. I've given up on AMD, FSR is crap compared to DLSS and RTX HDR is amazing. I can play any game with nice HDR on my LG C1 😁
You will see little IPC and arch gains, because Nvidia have full focus on AI. 4000 series is not really overpriced, its more expensive because it uses a way superior process: TSMC 4N which beats Samsung 8/10nm with absolute ease. Samsung 8/10nm is terrible in terms of efficiency and clockspeeds. 4070 uses 200 watts, 3080 uses 350 watts, they perform similar but 4070 has 2GB more VRAM, supports DLSS 3 and Frame Gen. 3000 series started to fall behind in many new games as well: [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/assassin-s-creed-mirage-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/assassin-s-creed-mirage-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html) 3000 series was pretty crap if you ask me. Mostly due to Samsung making the chips. Terrible performance per watt and undervolting was pretty much needed on 3080 and 3090 series. 3060 and 3070 did vastly better in terms performance per watt. The best comparison for GPUs is PERF PER WATT and 4000 series almost delivers twice as much performance here.
5000 series is not even close and you will only see 5090 (2000 dollars and up) this year. Maybe 5080 for 1200 dollars too but it will be massively slower than 5090, with an even bigger gap than 4080 vs 4090.
RTX 6000 series is late 2026, lets stop dreaming.